what is this? the evo has been out for weeks and no kernel source but the sgs3 that came out today (i think?) already has the source released. my question is, why does htc like to take their sweet a$$ time releasing this kind of stuff to us?
source for sgs3 news: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/galaxy-s-iii-sgh-i747-and-sgh-t999-source-code-released/
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what is this? the evo has been out for weeks and no kernel source but the sgs3 that came out today (i think?) already has the source released. my question is, why does htc like to take their sweet a$$ time releasing this kind of stuff to us?
source for sgs3 news: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/galaxy-s-iii-sgh-i747-and-sgh-t999-source-code-released/
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Duh haha they always wait till day 89 to release it
thats htc's m o..
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Duh haha they always wait till day 89 to release it
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Haha probably
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I think it's because Steve works for Samsung now. I might be wrong when I say this next line. The international quad-core SGS3 has source available, not the US bound SGS3. Also, "forever"? Dude, our phone is technically 18 days old. Chill or GTFO or get an iPhone.
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I think it's because Steve works for Samsung now. I might be wrong when I say this next line. The international quad-core SGS3 has source available, not the US bound SGS3. Also, "forever"? Dude, our phone is technically 18 days old. Chill or GTFO or get an iPhone.
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The source has been released for two of the carrier branded s3s b4 release
Btw when we do get kernel source this phone is gonna be sick.. Ocd to 2 wow
You are familiar with HTC's business practices, right?
HTC does this all the time. We are lucky the gpl forces you to release it or we'd never see it.
Well take it to them via twitter, FB, forums, blogs and whatever other means you have. If enough people make a sound, then they will listen.
So, things like multitasking, is that in the kernel or is that some NON GPL source thing that they threw in there.. some closed source module?
And I'm guessing things like the Camera drivers are not in source either? I guess I really don't know what source is needed to fix. I don't care about overclocking because I find it silly in a device like this.
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So, things like multitasking, is that in the kernel or is that some NON GPL source thing that they threw in there.. some closed source module?
And I'm guessing things like the Camera drivers are not in source either? I guess I really don't know what source is needed to fix. I don't care about overclocking because I find it silly in a device like this.
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I think that if there is any chance to fix the multi tasking issues that it will be in the source
I sent a tweet to HTC and this is their response.
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Agreed: "Forever" is a bit hyperbolic. 18 days is reasonable. I'm even ok with them waiting a month or two to release source.
I do think it's awesome how proactive Samsung is in this regard and IMHO believe they deserve massive respect! While HTC is moving away from dev support - inducing friction and delay in all respects... Samsung IMHO seems to be embracing devs and tinkerers like a fat girl does candy
Loving Samsung right about now; Note 2 will definitely be my next (unless LG steps up their game - I really want a big glasses-free 3d display preferably with good stylus handwriting support).
1) Samsung is also a member of The Linux Foundation, they are a little more pro GPL than HTC.
B) Overclocking this device not as interesting as Under Volting.
Htc is def not earning any points with their m10, r.9png and slow source release
I love my shiny 4g iPhone!
Hope they come with the source pretty soon so we can add in usb otg. I got new adapter ready to use.
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Seems so odd of HTC to wait until the last minute with source code. Not that this is new behavior from them, but they somehow have always had a dev-friendly reputation (unlockable bootloaders, HTCdev.com, etc).
They were the first to champion Android, but of course, they have also been the most vocal about branding their phones with Sense (others do it, and do it worse, but no one really talks about it as much as HTC does).
I'm happy to wait a while longer, and I think that, on balance, HTC is good for devs and tinkerers. I also don't think it's contradictory to so heavily skin Android but also encourage developers to futz with their devices, but am I the only one who thinks that some of their actual policy is a bit schizophrenic?
I understand that stance but why should they care..we already purchased the device..and although I'm.not a huge fan of Sammy I do commend them on their dev support..they have stepped it up in this regard and almost encourage it..if HTC doesnt hurry up the dev on the LTE will stall (there's only so much they can do)and the gs3 s gonna blow up..in this case I'm rather impatient bc I really hate the mem management on this phone and a gb of RAM should be plenty to keep a tab or app running for more than 10 seconds..do love the phone tho..just needs some dev love
In the past, HTC has been the better of the two with releasing kernel source and also updating their devices.
Just thought I'd put that out there.
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Has anyone else noticed that the Evo 3D is listed on the devices page on cyanogenmod.com? Nothing shows up for experimental or stable mods, but maybe this means that the Evo 3D will be included when CM 7.2 drops?
Currently there is an alpha version of CM7 available for download in the development section of this site and on cyanogenmods wiki page.
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Currently there is an alpha version of CM7 available for download in the development section of this site and on cyanogenmods wiki page.
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True, but up until now the shooter hasn't been listed on the devices page. I mean, I wouldn't get my hopes up, but it would be nice if it was leading up to something.
It's been on the device page for almost a month now. I'm hoping that we'll get nightlies soon, but I'm guessing that CM9 is the first CM that we'll see stable on the Shooter.
This might be a stupid question, but are the WiMax and 3D something that will be easier to deal with in ICS or just about the same as now?
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This might be a stupid question, but are the WiMax and 3D something that will be easier to deal with in ICS or just about the same as now?
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Likely just about the same as now, maybe a bit more difficult on the 3D side.
Read last night that they are skipping to cm9. If you look at their tweets, they say working on ice cream, check back in two months.
I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue!
Cyanogen himself tweeted that there will be a CM7.2. Only god knows if we'll be stable by then.
It really blows that they (CM Team) haven't even bothered to release vendor files for our device. The community could have really helped speed things up. I guess they're just worried about being kanged.
If you ask me, kanging open source is an oxymoron.
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If you ask me, kanging open source is an oxymoron.
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Not really... Kanging (to me anyways...), implies you are using someone's code but saying you did it yourself. So, plagiarizing, pretty much. And that's not cool.
However, this is English, and a single word can have many meanings lol.
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Not really... Kanging (to me anyways...), implies you are using someone's code but saying you did it yourself. So, plagiarizing, pretty much. And that's not cool.
However, this is English, and a single word can have many meanings lol.
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I can agree with that. What I mean to say is that when you release an open source product (especially an Apache licensed product), and someone uses it in their own derivative, it is NOT stealing. It is infact the spirit of open source.
It's especially offensive since CM itself is a derivative.
Maybe I'm just misunderstanding their POV.
Unfortunately other than Toast, I am not aware of anyone else from cm team even interested in this phone anymore. It's just one phone amongst 10+ powerful phones and its not getting any younger.
I am beginning to wonder if we will ever get bt a2dp, hdmi, etc.
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Unfortunately other than Toast, I am not aware of anyone else from cm team even interested in this phone anymore. It's just one phone amongst 10+ powerful phones and its not getting any younger.
I am beginning to wonder if we will ever get bt a2dp.
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+1 Development on this phone just never took off. Having the Evo 4G, I took having strong development for granted. I'll most certainly do more research next time.
E3D has been a dud for me unfortunately
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I can agree with that. What I mean to say is that when you release an open source product (especially an Apache licensed product), and someone uses it in their own derivative, it is NOT stealing. It is infact the spirit of open source.
It's especially offensive since CM itself is a derivative.
Maybe I'm just misunderstanding their POV.
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Yeah I guess it is a pretty grey area. Technically, if someone modifies software that was released with under the Apache License, it doesn't have to be released under
those same terms.
I completely agree with you, btw, just offering another point of view.
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+1 Development on this phone just never took off. Having the Evo 4G, I took having strong development for granted. I'll most certainly do more research next time.
E3D has been a dud for me unfortunately
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I doubt there will ever be another 4G. The planets just aligned so well on that release.
I sit here wondering what phone will have good cm support (nexus series?)
If you take a look at github, toastcfh is working on it and I think maybe we might get a working CM7 before we get ICS after all.
I just wants stable CM7 right now, I've been holding off on flashing the alpha releases as it is. As much as I'd love some ICS, a truly stable CM7 build would still be pretty epic IMO.
I tried the alpha a while ago, and it worked really well. I went back to a sense-based ROM because of the car audio issue, though.
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+1 Development on this phone just never took off. Having the Evo 4G, I took having strong development for granted. I'll most certainly do more research next time.
E3D has been a dud for me unfortunately
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I agree with this....I notice a huge difference in in the way the 3d is handled compared to when i used my N1.....I dont consider the 3d a dud though...
I had two Evo 4g's, an htc hero and my wife has an Epic 4g and this phone 3D is far from a dud. It's the best Phone I've owned and the Evo 4g was my baby. I bought one and sold it and bought another and then got the 3d. I don't understand why someone would want Cm7 on the evo 3d. the Gingerbread Ui was ugly. Now ICS variant would be great if only for the UI. That is even tempting me. I used to use CM6&7 on my Evo, but the 3d by itself is far superior, just because of the dual core that makes it a faster evo.
I'm starting a new post to say we need to get pissed. From November I've been looking online every ****ing day to see if any new information will arrive. I don't give a dam if this is googles htc or sprints fault. This is completely bull**** and unacceptable. We need to start a petition and start harassing htc to get there **** together. Lets keep it real, google has released everything so the fact that we have complete working versions I keep the blame off them. We can harass sprint but I think everyone in the US still with sprint is either because they don't care or they to have unlimited data. So lets get on HTC, the evo lte does not have a removable battery or sd card. We are the ones that buy these phones. They lock our boot loaders, this is just all bs. I mean sick seeing posts about mean rom and people saying this will hold me over till ics. They the **** do we have to wait.
I want this thread to be ideas as to what we can do to change how we are seeing the mobile area form. *I have to say I am contemplating windows 8 phones with quad cores and lte if they come out before the end of the year, because of all this bs.
Things I want.
Unlimited data
1080p gorrila glass screen (we are on the verge of quad hd- not too much to ask)
1080p capture
over 13 mp camera
removable battery
sd card slot
lte
quad core
more than 2 gb of ram
more than 64 gb of storage
wish list
waterproof case
5000mah battery
Your expectations is too high, mate..
But cool imagination..
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I get your mad but this only makes about the 50th thread about this. If you want ics go buy a nexus or use one of the other ics roms. You could help by developing yourself and stop complaining. I bought this phone because it was faster than the EVO 4g not because of ics. And mean Rom is great so isn't just about every ROM in the development section ( blaming that as to why I'm a flashaholic) unless I missed something and ics with sense will cure everything. So just chill for now I'm sure your phone works fine and if you need something so bad either develop or pay to play.
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Yeah lol they won't care what the little people want.
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Cool sorry bro...
Oh wow lol. Nice
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Maybe this will fuel his rage a little more:
www.engadget.com/2012/04/21/sprint-discontinues-htc-evo-3d/
Those specs are very reachable.. they won't because that's how they control their own market to maximize sales. IPhone has 64gig memory other phones in Europe have 12+ MP and another gig of ram wouldn't be hard at all... Point being is that they all have to be complete control freaks ( not as bad as apple)
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And if sprint is discontinuing the 3D all the more reason to release ICS if it won't hurt sales... Most people that have the 3D can't upgrade till next year anyways
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my point is that people that bought the htc evo 3d, if your like me, bought the first dual core wimax phone. ics wasn't a secret. jellybean is coming out. wtf are we waiting for. htc is trying to act like apple but we get less memory. they lock our bootloaders and now no sd cards and removable batteries. android an open source is being more closed than apple. let not forget people have been hacking iphone for a long time now. the reason we choose android is because we can mod the stuff ourselves without or at least thats what it was in its prime. the specs I lay out aren't even that hard. why the **** do I have to settle with 4gb of storage when apple was putting out 32. Remember we made htc what it was. from people from back in the day with htc mogul, htc touch pro touch pro 2 and htc evo know what im talking about. I think if all of the people that not only create the mods that we download but all of people that come on xda say they will not buy another phone from htc until we start seeing what we want we could make a change. remember we did make enough of a fuss about the bootloader that we atleast scared htc.
HTC will release ICS when they are ready to release it. Starting a petition will only waste your time. HTC is aware that the minority of their customer base is very unhappy with the lack of a timely release. How many petitions were started when everyone was waiting for GB for the OG EVO? Did these petitions have any effect on HTC to make them release it any faster, not one bit.
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Hey, op, next time, maybe you shouldn't get an android.
I know I probably won't.
look at the **** we are getting for htc. about a million different sensations, and all this bull**** with evo shift evo design.
Also mean rom is great, don't get me wrong. but why do our people have to **** with gingerbread when we want to be messing around with ics.
as for getting a nexus, the nexus is great but sprint gets it 6 months later and i wasnt going to get a single core when dual cores are coming in. and i wont get the galaxy nexus when quad core are here.
htc said they are going to stop making so many different phones like a new sensation every week but why the **** are the putting in non-replaceable batteries and no sd cards. on top of that give us 16 gb of storage. the ****ing lowest level of the iphone.
I hate apple with a passion but steve jobs was the only person pushing this industry forward. My point is that we are the consumer and if we refuse to buy the crap the give us until they give us what we want we can make a change
I agree
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What people fail to realize is companies like htc and samsung could care less about the small number of customers like us (rooters + XDA'ers). the majority of their customers could care less about things like locked bootloaders or ICS.
Cool story bro
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What people fail to realize is companies like htc and samsung could care less about the small number of customers like us (rooters + XDA'ers). the majority of their customers could care less about things like locked bootloaders or ICS.
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This ^
I have been with Android since the drop of the cdma Hero and I am still the only person I know in Roanoke VA. that even knows what a rooted phone is aside from the friends I've told... Nobody cares except the extreme minority... Which is us here.
I'm Batman..
"I'm starting a new post to say we need to get pissed. From November I've been looking online every ****ing day to see if any new information will arrive. I don't give a dam if this is googles htc or sprints fault. This is completely bull**** and unacceptable."
Why is it unacceptable? ICS source was, I believe, released in November. That's about 6 months ago. HTC has a large portfolio of devices that they need to work on upgrading, bug testing, and so on. They're going to make sure they release a finished product. They had to prioritize something, so they focused on the Sensation line first. You didn't get picked first, deal with it. It's only been 6 months. It seems like a long time, but for a corporation that is designing new phones, working on upgrading older ones, and dealing with a lot of other things, that isn't that long at all. Also, it's not like other manufacturers have been releasing ICS on their phones left and right. Show me a Moto phone that has been upgraded. How about the Epic 4G Touch's update?
"Lets keep it real, google has released everything so the fact that we have complete working versions I keep the blame off them."
What are you trying to say? Are you saying that this isn't Google's fault because they've released the source code? That's true. This isn't their fault. But it's not like the source code that they release can just be put onto our phones; HTC actually needs to do work with that. The update between Gingerbread and ICS is a pretty significant one, so HTC probably has to put quite a bit of work into it.
"So lets get on HTC, the evo lte does not have a removable battery or sd card. We are the ones that buy these phones. They lock our boot loaders, this is just all bs."
What's wrong with the lack of a removable battery? It's a design choice. I bet you can't think of one reason not to have a removable battery other than to use a larger battery. Guess what? Too bad. HTC chose to integrate the battery so that they could give a better built phone. And the LTE DOES have a removable SD card. This shows that you barely even did research on the phone before deciding to complain about it.
We and thousands of others buy these phones. HTC locks the bootloader for safety reasons. I can't believe that people do not understand this. They don't want to have to deal with idiots messing up the phones. There are plenty of people here who know how to flash ROMs but other than that cannot hold their own at all. HTC has nothing to gain by unlocking the bootloaders on their phones, and a lot to lose. But they offer a way for us to unlock them officially, and in a safe way. Almost all of their recent devices are supported by this, and you don't have to worry about updates. It really is a good service but people overlook it because it voids their warranty. Which it should.
"I mean sick seeing posts about mean rom and people saying this will hold me over till ics. They the **** do we have to wait."
Mean ROM is a great ROM and it provides a stable experience for people that want a fully working phone. Our current ICS ROMs are buggy and not nearly stable enough. They also lack some basic functionality, such as camera and 4G. We have to wait because the update hasn't been released yet.
Bottom line: This phone hasn't been updated yet, but neither has the Rezound, the RAZR, the Epic 4G Touch, and so on.. the number of phones that have been updated is incredibly low. This is because they haven't finished them yet. These are companies that release expensive electronics to consumers, and need good reviews from their customers. This means that they have to work at nearly perfecting a release; they have to fix the bugs, make it stable, and make sure everyone will be able to use it without problems. If they release an update that hasn't been tested thoroughly enough, they could face major backlash from the market. Now instead of a few hundred people on development forums complaining that an update hasn't been released yet, they have thousands upon thousands of customers with phones that don't work right.
Making a few hundred people angry >>>>> making a few thousand people angry.
This applies to all of the OEMs, not just HTC. So stop your complaining, stop your whining. You aren't the only one in the world who hasn't gotten his precious ICS update yet. Many other people are waiting for it too, on different carriers, different phones, and so on. All around the world. I don't think you realize that it isn't as simple as copy and pasting to each phone and throwing it out there. It works here on XDA because the users can function as testers, but that's not how professional businesses work. Users are not supposed to be testers for their work; they have employees for that.
My reply to this will be in another thread!
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I have noticed that the Rezound ROMs were coming out fast and furious, new ROMs, updates and improvements on an almost daily basis. And then 2 or 3 weeks ago it just stopped. Lots of active threads in the Dev section, but nothing really new has come out?
Are devs waiting for the OTA, which won't be here for another few months, or has the Rezound just run its course and the new phones that are coming out are taking the lead and Dev time now?
The Rezound is great, but lets face it, it is now second tier as their replacements are already out, and they won't official get ICS till July or August, making them even less desirable to Devs to spend time on a phone that will likely stop being sold before too long?
My fear is that the Rezound will take too long to get ICS OTA and source code released, and by the time it is, the phone will be on its way out the door, there are newer better phones out that Devs will feel it is better to spend their time on, etc...
Thoughts?
Hasn't stopped. I know Scott's working on a one x rom, Newt just released an update and Joelz is rebasing his rom which should be awesome.
I have been working hard to get Team Eos AOSP working on my phone, but still stuck with RIL like everybody else at this point. Once there is source for ICS, development will go ballistic again. Don't worry.
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I have been working hard to get Team Eos AOSP working on my phone, but still stuck with RIL like everybody else at this point. Once there is source for ICS, development will go ballistic again. Don't worry.
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Even though there will be a ton of newer better phones on the market, do you really see things picking back up on an "older" phone like the Rezound?
well there's great significance when it comes to updating immediately to the newest leaks, after that period it's back to timed updates and changes
new phones will slowly kill, but it's not that development slowed down, there just hasn't been any trigger for another immediate and curt developmental spike
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Even though there will be a ton of newer better phones on the market, do you really see things picking back up on an "older" phone like the Rezound?
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I still see some activities going on in the Inc development forums, so I'd say yes
The Rezound is a great phone with a great Dev community and in my opinion still has plenty of life left in it.
We had 3 leaks in a matter of a month. Nothing lately so nothing much to update.
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Even though there will be a ton of newer better phones on the market, do you really see things picking back up on an "older" phone like the Rezound?
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Yeah, of course. Dude, this thing is barely more than 6 months old!
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I have been working hard to get Team Eos AOSP working on my phone, but still stuck with RIL like everybody else at this point. Once there is source for ICS, development will go ballistic again. Don't worry.
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protekk fixed ril if u really have something in the works and ril is holding u up hit him up on twitter @protekkfzs
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Development is still going pretty hard behind the scenes, I don't see it dropping off for a few months at least. The devs are still working just as hard as they ever have, its just that people seem to complain a lot about wiping and reflashing every few days, and as roms progress the updates are fewer and further between. There's also a lot that goes on behind the scenes that isnt posted on the forums, in the last couple of weeks, last three weeks I guess, I think the biggest advances and accomplishments on the rezound yet have happened, in my opinion. Most of which hasn't been posted yet because they're tieing up loose ends.
I do think you're right about the fact that a lot of us will be moving on to New devices shortly after kernel source is released, when a quad core beast hits Verizon with super specs, something probably the next step above the one s and one x.
But I think we havent begun to see this phone's potential yet and with another leak or OTA and kernel source its really going to be a beast. I could see it having a pretty long lifespan kinda like the OG Droid. A lot of us will probably buy new hardware eventually that may take time to get rooted and s off and this phone will be capable enough to feed our custom rom and kernel addictions until the new phones we get are exploited.
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I'm also thinking that if Newt was asked to remove the tweaks from his ROM because "there were too many similar ROMs", perhaps the same was asked of Bored which would personally p!ss me off. Who cares if some ROMs are very similar, they all have little differences.
If that's really the case, maybe Scott was asked the same. After all, CleanROM, CleanROM Pro and CleanROM DE are all the same but with more stuff removed.
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protekk fixed ril if u really have something in the works and ril is holding u up hit him up on twitter @protekkfzs
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I've seen no evidence of a fully working RIL...everything is "we're close."
Wow. IMO this phone is just too darn good to waste my money on a retail upgrade (and marginal one at that).
I came from the D1 and within months I was constantly flashing roms and tweaking trying to whip a few extra ponies into it.
Otherwise, in 5 months with the Rezound I've flashed 2-3 times and just s-off'd this weekend. I've had basically no issues and it's nice not to have to babysit my phone to get it to run the way I want it to. Just rock solid, and the development is great.
I can appreciate that everyone is looking for something different, but myself I just need a couple of good roms and I'm set.
Not gonna lie, if in another month or two, we don't have anything new, this phone is getting traded out.
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Not gonna lie, if in another month or two, we don't have anything new, this phone is getting traded out.
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What are you expecting? Somehow get Android 5? Sense 5?
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What are you expecting? Somehow get Android 5? Sense 5?
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He does have a point. Look at our roms. Mostly all the same minus themes, same tweaks all across the board. Whats different? What stands out ? .
Im not flaming any devs or saying they should do more, they do a fine job actually. But its true. We lack true options. Sense 4 yes, its different and good but still needs working. Aosp is still being worked on and no one knows if itll get to work in the end or not.
I see newer phones dev section, say the one s, there flying with tons of roms, aosp. And im sure kernel dev will rise once source is out.
I know ril is our problem, but still. You cant fault someone esle giving up, nobody expected us tobe just stuck with sense. I know i didnt, but ill deal with it in the meantime
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Using a bolt ATM that I thought would never get any good ROMS, well its got as many options as any phone out there. Pretty much all HTC phones due to the boot loader if nothing else are going to have good dev sections. If u wanna see a sad dev section check out all moto phones with exception of the atrix and that is only BC they found a unloclable BL or something of that sort in a leak.
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What are you expecting? Somehow get Android 5? Sense 5?
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I'm just saying if development just stalls then I might leave this phone, I do want a popular dev'ed phone without it being the GNex.
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I've seen no evidence of a fully working RIL...everything is "we're close."
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Protekk or dmeadows posted on twitter that the RIL was complete but they were working on the firmware to match it, and that was the hold up.
Development for this phone is gonna be slow. I really do feel sorry for HTC because it seem's they have been getting bent over until recently. But it still cost them lost of money.I wounder if they will every be good again or will they be the "SEGA" of phone era..
your post makes no sense
the frikkin source hasnt even been released yet.
all 4 of your sentences have makes no sense at all
what does htc being bent over have to do with deving being slow? and what "still cost them lost of money"
I think what he meant was that they still refuse to release the source. Until then, I don't see the dev community making any leaps and bounds.
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I think what he meant was that they still refuse to release the source. Until then, I don't see the dev community making any leaps and bounds.
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Both of you make absolutely no sense. Honestly. Is this the first Android phone for both of you? FOR a non flagship device, do you know how long it takes for development to take off? Pretty frikken long? The development has taken off at a rapid pace since the launch of the device. And had t slowed down a bit. HTC has 90 days (under the GPL) to release source. This isn't a Samsung device guys.
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Both of you make absolutely no sense. Honestly. Is this the first Android phone for both of you? FOR a non flagship device, do you know how long it takes for development to take off? Pretty frikken long? The development has taken off at a rapid pace since the launch of the device. And had t slowed down a bit. HTC has 90 days (under the GPL) to release source. This isn't a Samsung device guys.
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HTC is actually in violation of GPL, there is nothing in there that says they have ninety days.
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HTC is actually in violation of GPL, there is nothing in there that says they have ninety days.
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Came in here to post that. Reading it, it states that source must be made available when requested, that implies it MUST be made available immediately (since I'm sure there have been people requesting, etc).
The reason they'll tell you (if you email them, like I have, just for kicks) that they have 90 days is because that's become the "standard" time frame these hardware devs take to release source. But they are violating the GPL license and it baffles me that they can do that so openly...
Throw us a bone already
While I don't agree with the OP about the development I do wonder why HTC hasn't released the source yet. You would think that after all we went through with the release that they would throw us a bone here and there. I really think they should have released quickly just show show appreciation for all that supported them during the whole debacle. This I am disappointed in...not the development.
A) No kernel source, so no custom fun goodies. OC Is difficult with precompiled modules that don't necessarily "fit" our phone. But our devs gave us one, that works regardless of how difficult it was. UV will be even more difficult, but will probably be done. We have CM9 with only ~4 known bugs! My wifes Photon still isn't that stable!
B) We just got an OTA, chances are dev will pick back up as these guys update their bases and add a few more tweaks.
C) I counted 20 [ROM] threads in both development sub forums, only going back 2 pages in each. What exactly do you want from these guys?
I thought it was going to be about unlimited data going away, still safe, calming down.......
ok now i have a better understanding but i was mainly talking about how everybody "SEEMS" to be on the S3.Dont get me wrong it's a damn good phone but i just like my evo.
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ok now i have a better understanding but i was mainly talking about how everybody "SEEMS" to be on the S3.Dont get me wrong it's a damn good phone but i just like my evo.
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looks as if the kernel source was just released on htcdev so the slow will be a thing of the past now
HTC saw this post and just did it to spite OP
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HTC saw this post and just did it to spite OP
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LMAO
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I feel like I responded to this same post 20 times on the 3D forums.
Please, let's not start this again.
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HTC saw this post and just did it to spite OP
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Wow sir, you owe me a professional cleaning of my MacBook as I just spit diet pepsi all over it!!!!!!!!
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HTC is actually in violation of GPL, there is nothing in there that says they have ninety days.
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Well that's my bad someone here mentioned the other day that it was 90 days. Either way, I think development is extremely solid for the evo
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Well that's my bad someone here mentioned the other day that it was 90 days. Either way, I think development is extremely solid for the evo
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90 days is not real...HTC has not been bad about releasing source (in fact the One series was released almost on day 1), but the problem here is that it is CDMA and slightly/vastly different, even though they have the same "guts" as their polycarbonite brothers. No excuses for the AT&T One X, though...It still is stuck in limbo.
It was barely a month, so not too shabby.
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90 days is not real...HTC has not been bad about releasing source (in fact the One series was released almost on day 1), but the problem here is that it is CDMA and slightly/vastly different, even though they have the same "guts" as their polycarbonite brothers. No excuses for the AT&T One X, though...It still is stuck in limbo.
It was barely a month, so not too shabby.
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Yeah they don't really get any excuse at all, it should be released with the binaries. But lets not nitpick right now, its time to rejoice!
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Both of you make absolutely no sense. Honestly. Is this the first Android phone for both of you? FOR a non flagship device, do you know how long it takes for development to take off? Pretty frikken long? The development has taken off at a rapid pace since the launch of the device. And had t slowed down a bit. HTC has 90 days (under the GPL) to release source. This isn't a Samsung device guys.
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Okay I worded that incorrectly. I meant that without the source, devs are limited in what they can do. I never meant to talk down on the amazing work that has been accomplished without source.
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Thank you lololol
HTC isn't Samsung, you're right. Honestly it feels like things have reversed. Samsung is winning in sales and is also being a lot more friendly to the dev community as of late, compared to HTC. HTC needs to get it together. The One series was a step in the right direction, albeit slow sales.
If HTC can focus on actually ONE device, make it universal, and market it right, they can come back. That's what Samsung managed to do with the SIII and it's what Apple has done with the iPhone. It's very effective. This exclusivity they gave AT&T w/ the One X is a step backwards. Sprint's version had to go through a lot to avoid infringing on that exclusivity. They need to take control and not let themselves be dictated by the carriers. They need to respond quicker to the dev community like Sony and Samsung has been doing. They're falling behind and it's a shame because they make really nice hardware.
This is absolutely RIDICULOUS, we have been waiting for an entire month for the 1.22 source code but the galaxy note 10.1 has source already AND THE DEVICE DOESN'T COME OUT FOR A FEW MORE WEEKS!!!!! IS IT REALLY THAT HARD FOR HTC TO UPLOAD A 100MB FILE FOR USE TO USE??? It bugs the hell out of me just how little HTC cares about releasing this stuff...
Souce link: http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...te-10-1-kernel-source-weeks-ahead-of-release/
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Over the years Samsung has really stepped up there game. Which is why they are the lead android manufacturer now. HTC needs to take some notes, and get rid of dev unlock, release source codes faster, and upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d). Take Samsung for example they told all the US retailers they weren't making different variations of the SGS3 and they released them all around the same time. Why cant HTC do that? My next phone will most likely be a Samsung.
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Over the years Samsung has really stepped up there game. Which is why they are the lead android manufacturer now. HTC needs to take some notes, and get rid of dev unlock, release source codes faster, and upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d). Take Samsung for example they told all the US retailers they weren't making different variations of the SGS3 and they released them all around the same time. Why cant HTC do that? My next phone will most likely be a Samsung.
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exactly! and ive been tempted to get samsung phones after seeing the s2 and s3 but with all the word about their phones being kinda shotty when it comes to build quality i always end up staying htc... its a vicious circle where you can't win
Another 60 days most likely before kernel source.
this is the last htc phone im getting
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Another 60 days most likely before kernel source.
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or they will release it as soon as they update us to the new update the the one x got
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this is the last htc phone im getting
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i think im going to have to join you on this
This is my first HTC phone... I come from mostly samsung. I will not be getting another htc until they step us... The phone build quality is great but all my phones live in otter cases so that does not matter....
I think I'm going to nexus next.... I like flashing to much for this crap...
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I agree. Really frustrating!
Every time I pose the question on their Facebook it gets deleted almost immediately.
I really don't understand what is going on with HTC these days. They used to be much more responsive to this kind of stuff.
I'm just not sure what to do about it.
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upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d).
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I'm pretty sure that the heavy delay on the ics upgrade for the EVO 3d was on sprints end...especially since the virgin mobile variant received its upgrade quite a bit sooner...but I do wish they'd release source sooner it is annoying but hey I love their devices so I'll stick it out for a while and see if things get better lol
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I really don't want to be a jerk but there is at least one other thread on the topic with a much more descriptive thread topic.
I've had the Hero, OG EVO, Epic 4g, Moment, and Photon....I've played with the Epic 4g touch as well.
Samsung's have been notorious for GPS and other build problems...After my experience with the Photon ill never buy Moto again. You think dev is slow here....try a Moto phone with a locked Bootloader.
I always end up going back to HTC.
With that said I'm really surprised how unstable stock is...especially Sense and the WiFi drop issue drives me up a wall.
Hopefully this will get resolved soon cuz I love this phone overall.
I will never go Samsung
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I really don't want to be a jerk but there is at least one other thread on the topic with a much more descriptive thread topic.
I've had the Hero, OG EVO, Epic 4g, Moment, and Photon....I've played with the Epic 4g touch as well.
Samsung's have been notorious for GPS and other build problems...After my experience with the Photon ill never buy Moto again. You think dev is slow here....try a Moto phone with a locked Bootloader.
I always end up going back to HTC.
With that said I'm really surprised how unstable stock is...especially Sense and the WiFi drop issue drives me up a wall.
Hopefully this will get resolved soon cuz I love this phone overall.
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Agreed gps can be a bear with Samsung. Also in almost every modem update its like the first modem they did ever. Better connection, lower battery. Next version bad connection, good battery, rinse, repeat.
Oh and as I have said before. Still waiting on evo 4g 4.67 ota kernel source. Well over gpl time. Now they don't even respond to my requests, at least they used to, until I advised them of the dates... And I'm sorry, 5.07 ota, doesn't qualify as reseting the clock,.
There's a thread like this every week...
They're funny to me because of what people are complaining about. People are mad at HTC for not releasing their source fast enough just so they can get rid of the UI that's on damn near all HTC android phones. If I were HTC, I wouldn't be in a rush either.
And sheesh, when the source does drop, you still have people impatient. Comparing this dev community to another phone's...always asking when a kernel is going to be made or when CM or AOKP will be dropped. I don't even know why people are buying phones now...I would say they're only doing it for CM and/or AOKP but if you wanted that...you could've just gone with the Nexus.
Idk if it's just me but i have NO idea why 95% of the people on this forum have this phone. Clearly it's not because you like the Evo 4g LTE because threads like these are proof that you do not like this phone.
I just don't get it....and people are so quick to bash iPhones too but c'mon...look at these threads. There was a thread where a dude was disappointed in this phone because it didn't have all CM or AOKP up as fast the OG Evo did. Seriously? And that got me thinkin'...the majority of the people are disappointed in that way...disappointed because they don't have CM or AOKP because HTC or Samsung didn't drop source which would help the devs and blah blah. When you look at it, people are just buying newer phones to run the exact same ROM they were on before. And people say they like Android because you aren't locked down or any of that stuff...but most of y'all might as well be because when presented with something different, you hate it. But that's me going on a tangent because this thread isn't even about that!
This thread. Is about. HTC. Not releasing source. And people are saying "This is my last HTC phone." I'm serious...if I'm the only one who sees how absurd that is..wow. Seriously...just enjoy the phone. If source was such a big deal...should've gone with the Nexus. Damn shame that some of y'all even factor that into a decision on the phone. The dev community should not be what makes or breaks a phone. These dudes don't work for HTC...so when you start factoring the dev community into positives and negatives for the phone...you put a lot of pressure on devs who aren't even making bank on this.
I just can't believe that we've all lived through times when we didn't even have phones...and the one thing that upsets everyone the most is the fact that HTC hasn't dropped source. Never mind the fact taht we are doing some insane things on this phone right now..doing things we've never even dreamed of a decade ago...and one of the biggest issues of right now is ****in source. Ungrateful.
I'd rather put my nuts in a vice than buy a Samsung phone. We have custom kernels that work with the latest ota anyway. HTC for life!
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There's a thread like this every week...
They're funny to me because of what people are complaining about. People are mad at HTC for not releasing their source fast enough just so they can get rid of the UI that's on damn near all HTC android phones. If I were HTC, I wouldn't be in a rush either.
And sheesh, when the source does drop, you still have people impatient. Comparing this dev community to another phone's...always asking when a kernel is going to be made or when CM or AOKP will be dropped. I don't even know why people are buying phones now...I would say they're only doing it for CM and/or AOKP but if you wanted that...you could've just gone with the Nexus.
Idk if it's just me but i have NO idea why 95% of the people on this forum have this phone. Clearly it's not because you like the Evo 4g LTE because threads like these are proof that you do not like this phone.
I just don't get it....and people are so quick to bash iPhones too but c'mon...look at these threads. There was a thread where a dude was disappointed in this phone because it didn't have all CM or AOKP up as fast the OG Evo did. Seriously? And that got me thinkin'...the majority of the people are disappointed in that way...disappointed because they don't have CM or AOKP because HTC or Samsung didn't drop source which would help the devs and blah blah. When you look at it, people are just buying newer phones to run the exact same ROM they were on before. And people say they like Android because you aren't locked down or any of that stuff...but most of y'all might as well be because when presented with something different, you hate it. But that's me going on a tangent because this thread isn't even about that!
This thread. Is about. HTC. Not releasing source. And people are saying "This is my last HTC phone." I'm serious...if I'm the only one who sees how absurd that is..wow. Seriously...just enjoy the phone. If source was such a big deal...should've gone with the Nexus. Damn shame that some of y'all even factor that into a decision on the phone. The dev community should not be what makes or breaks a phone. These dudes don't work for HTC...so when you start factoring the dev community into positives and negatives for the phone...you put a lot of pressure on devs who aren't even making bank on this.
I just can't believe that we've all lived through times when we didn't even have phones...and the one thing that upsets everyone the most is the fact that HTC hasn't dropped source. Never mind the fact taht we are doing some insane things on this phone right now..doing things we've never even dreamed of a decade ago...and one of the biggest issues of right now is ****in source. Ungrateful.
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no i bought this phone because i had the original evo 4g and loved it more than any other phone, then when i saw this phone i knew i had to get it. i love this phones build quality and the hardware in it but its b.s. that htc will not release source. i don't even care about aosp since sense 4 actually seems like something useful and not crazy bloated like sense 2.0+ i just want some kernels to run on sense so we can get some proper fixings going on instead of modifying the hell out of the old base's source and using every work around in the book to get them to function properly. not to say that the kernels we are starting to see are bad. and the saying "oh should have got a nexus" is bullsh*t if i wanted one i would have got one, but instead i wanted the evo lte and its more up to date and better hardware. if i wanted an already outdated phone i would have just stuck with my original evo. the point is, no matter what phone you buy you SHOULD be able to do what you want with it and you SHOULD be givin the proper code to do it with. and since htc is failing to do this, it is the reason there is a new thread every week complaining about it and they have a damn good reason to do so because this is ridiculous. so if you don't like the threads then tough sh*t because your going to keep seeing them till it drops and it will happen again with the next update. get used to it
Edit: and you can't honestly sit there and say that this isn't completely unnecessary. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE SOURCE READY, all they have to do is upload it within a day or 2 of an ota like samsung and people would be happy. and what do they have to lose by releasing it? they already got our money when we bought the phone so what do they care what we do with it?
now lets stop this here, we don't need another thread of keyboard warriors
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People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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Yeah, that^.
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People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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I agree with you for the most part.
What I disagree on is Sense NOT being toned down and less obtrusive. Sense 4.0 is much better than Sense 3.0 was. It's much smoother, it looks better, and keeps the functionality it needs while not being too bloated like previous versions of Sense were.
What drags the Sense experience down is the memory management, which is lacking. I would argue that is less of an issue with Sense and more of an issue of optimization of memory. I for one never had Sense reloads when I was stock, but then again I was never running a ton of apps at once. All HTC has to do is make the memory management less aggressive and we wouldn't have nearly as many problems.
Sense DOES utilize this phone's hardware very well, and you can see that in how smooth everything is. We just need that memory management worked on. If we had more RAM in the phone it would be PERFECT.
I still don't understand the RAM argument. We aren't even that close to maxing our RAM, so why do we need more? I've been told by people much more informed than me about Android that it utilizes RAM differently than Windows, so 100MB free is no different than 1.1 GB free. I agree with you that the memory management is at fault here, but I think that's the end of the story.
Edit: TouchWiz is much smoother than Sense, and many people had many Sense reloads while stock... I'm not sure I care for Sense 4.0 much more than I did 3.0, especially considering the fake multi-tasking.
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okay guys heres a thought....how about instead of turning on each other, and starting the talk of "ill never own an HTC again" crap, you do something productive and start a movement against HTC proactively to be loud about them being lazy on releasing source code?....Leaving HTC isn't going to fix the issue at hand, as they wont see the effect in their sales #'s by the few in the dev community leaving to make them give a F....What they will do is react to a giant community outcry over a pressing issue on slow source release! They did it with the locked bootloaders so another push for source might make them change their ways...
Just saying, threads saying "this is my last htc device b/c they are slow are releasing source..." are silly and pointless....
Do something to make a change and start a vocal complaint movement instead of just sitting here and complaining/whining about it on xda!