Development for this phone is gonna be slow. I really do feel sorry for HTC because it seem's they have been getting bent over until recently. But it still cost them lost of money.I wounder if they will every be good again or will they be the "SEGA" of phone era..
your post makes no sense
the frikkin source hasnt even been released yet.
all 4 of your sentences have makes no sense at all
what does htc being bent over have to do with deving being slow? and what "still cost them lost of money"
I think what he meant was that they still refuse to release the source. Until then, I don't see the dev community making any leaps and bounds.
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I think what he meant was that they still refuse to release the source. Until then, I don't see the dev community making any leaps and bounds.
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Both of you make absolutely no sense. Honestly. Is this the first Android phone for both of you? FOR a non flagship device, do you know how long it takes for development to take off? Pretty frikken long? The development has taken off at a rapid pace since the launch of the device. And had t slowed down a bit. HTC has 90 days (under the GPL) to release source. This isn't a Samsung device guys.
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Both of you make absolutely no sense. Honestly. Is this the first Android phone for both of you? FOR a non flagship device, do you know how long it takes for development to take off? Pretty frikken long? The development has taken off at a rapid pace since the launch of the device. And had t slowed down a bit. HTC has 90 days (under the GPL) to release source. This isn't a Samsung device guys.
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HTC is actually in violation of GPL, there is nothing in there that says they have ninety days.
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HTC is actually in violation of GPL, there is nothing in there that says they have ninety days.
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Came in here to post that. Reading it, it states that source must be made available when requested, that implies it MUST be made available immediately (since I'm sure there have been people requesting, etc).
The reason they'll tell you (if you email them, like I have, just for kicks) that they have 90 days is because that's become the "standard" time frame these hardware devs take to release source. But they are violating the GPL license and it baffles me that they can do that so openly...
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While I don't agree with the OP about the development I do wonder why HTC hasn't released the source yet. You would think that after all we went through with the release that they would throw us a bone here and there. I really think they should have released quickly just show show appreciation for all that supported them during the whole debacle. This I am disappointed in...not the development.
A) No kernel source, so no custom fun goodies. OC Is difficult with precompiled modules that don't necessarily "fit" our phone. But our devs gave us one, that works regardless of how difficult it was. UV will be even more difficult, but will probably be done. We have CM9 with only ~4 known bugs! My wifes Photon still isn't that stable!
B) We just got an OTA, chances are dev will pick back up as these guys update their bases and add a few more tweaks.
C) I counted 20 [ROM] threads in both development sub forums, only going back 2 pages in each. What exactly do you want from these guys?
I thought it was going to be about unlimited data going away, still safe, calming down.......
ok now i have a better understanding but i was mainly talking about how everybody "SEEMS" to be on the S3.Dont get me wrong it's a damn good phone but i just like my evo.
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ok now i have a better understanding but i was mainly talking about how everybody "SEEMS" to be on the S3.Dont get me wrong it's a damn good phone but i just like my evo.
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looks as if the kernel source was just released on htcdev so the slow will be a thing of the past now
HTC saw this post and just did it to spite OP
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HTC saw this post and just did it to spite OP
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LMAO
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I feel like I responded to this same post 20 times on the 3D forums.
Please, let's not start this again.
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HTC saw this post and just did it to spite OP
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Wow sir, you owe me a professional cleaning of my MacBook as I just spit diet pepsi all over it!!!!!!!!
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Well that's my bad someone here mentioned the other day that it was 90 days. Either way, I think development is extremely solid for the evo
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Well that's my bad someone here mentioned the other day that it was 90 days. Either way, I think development is extremely solid for the evo
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90 days is not real...HTC has not been bad about releasing source (in fact the One series was released almost on day 1), but the problem here is that it is CDMA and slightly/vastly different, even though they have the same "guts" as their polycarbonite brothers. No excuses for the AT&T One X, though...It still is stuck in limbo.
It was barely a month, so not too shabby.
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90 days is not real...HTC has not been bad about releasing source (in fact the One series was released almost on day 1), but the problem here is that it is CDMA and slightly/vastly different, even though they have the same "guts" as their polycarbonite brothers. No excuses for the AT&T One X, though...It still is stuck in limbo.
It was barely a month, so not too shabby.
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Yeah they don't really get any excuse at all, it should be released with the binaries. But lets not nitpick right now, its time to rejoice!
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Both of you make absolutely no sense. Honestly. Is this the first Android phone for both of you? FOR a non flagship device, do you know how long it takes for development to take off? Pretty frikken long? The development has taken off at a rapid pace since the launch of the device. And had t slowed down a bit. HTC has 90 days (under the GPL) to release source. This isn't a Samsung device guys.
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Okay I worded that incorrectly. I meant that without the source, devs are limited in what they can do. I never meant to talk down on the amazing work that has been accomplished without source.
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Thank you lololol
HTC isn't Samsung, you're right. Honestly it feels like things have reversed. Samsung is winning in sales and is also being a lot more friendly to the dev community as of late, compared to HTC. HTC needs to get it together. The One series was a step in the right direction, albeit slow sales.
If HTC can focus on actually ONE device, make it universal, and market it right, they can come back. That's what Samsung managed to do with the SIII and it's what Apple has done with the iPhone. It's very effective. This exclusivity they gave AT&T w/ the One X is a step backwards. Sprint's version had to go through a lot to avoid infringing on that exclusivity. They need to take control and not let themselves be dictated by the carriers. They need to respond quicker to the dev community like Sony and Samsung has been doing. They're falling behind and it's a shame because they make really nice hardware.
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I know this is the EVO 3D forum so opinions will lean that way but I'm going back to Sprint from T-Mobile. Should I get the 3D or wait a month and get the Motorola Photon? Which will be the better phone?
Depends on what you are looking for. If 3 matters obviously the 3d. If you are a sense fan then the 3d as well. However I kind of like that the photon has some of the things the 3vo is missing. For one the kickstand not deal breaker but it comes in handy and an 8Mp camera with 1080p video as opposed to 5mp with 720p. Now the big draw back. The motorolla is supposed to ship with a locked bootloader. So if you like to run roms you are rolling the dice. It may or may not be unlocked at a future date. Personally I trust the 3vo to be rooted much sooner than the photon. All that said check out the Samsung Nexus II as well. Looks to be a contender.
Can anyone dispute the claim made in this article about Motorola?
http://www.nzweek.com/technology/motorola-will-unlock-bootloader-3573/
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Depends on what you are looking for. If 3 matters obviously the 3d. If you are a sense fan then the 3d as well. However I kind of like that the photon has some of the things the 3vo is missing. For one the kickstand not deal breaker but it comes in handy and an 8Mp camera with 1080p video as opposed to 5mp with 720p. Now the big draw back. The motorolla is supposed to ship with a locked bootloader. So if you like to run roms you are rolling the dice. It may or may not be unlocked at a future date. Personally I trust the 3vo to be rooted much sooner than the photon. All that said check out the Samsung Nexus II as well. Looks to be a contender.
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Can anyone dispute the claim made in this article about Motorola?
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I'm just saying thats on the word of a dude on twitter and then it says at the end of the year and at the discrection of the carrier. Either way it is supposed to ship with a locked bootloader and you will likely be waiting a while. IMHO thats a crap shoot you may or may not get an unlocked bootloader. I wish it wasn't so I really like this phone better than the 3vo for my personal needs but what to do.
Isn't the 3vo going to be locked as well to start? I know HTC came out and said they will no longer lock bootloaders, but there seems to be no confirmation on 1.) If they will even allow the 3vo to be unlocked, and 2.) If so, when that will happen. It's all a crapshoot I guess.
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I'm just saying thats on the word of a dude on twitter and then it says at the end of the year and at the discrection of the carrier. Either way it is supposed to ship with a locked bootloader and you will likely be waiting a while. IMHO thats a crap shoot you may or may not get an unlocked bootloader. I wish it wasn't so I really like this phone better than the 3vo for my personal needs but what to do.
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another turn off from the photon is the pentile screen
Good point maximus I'm just going off past performance and HTC's official stance to disable the bootloaders. I trust them more to follow through than Motorola but alas this is all just my opinion.
It all depends on HTC I guess. There are going to be a lot of disappointed 3vo owners if they finally realize after a few weeks that the devs can't work miracles and unlock encrypted bootloaders. No custom ROMs or modifications unless HTC comes through.
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Good point maximus I'm just going off past performance and HTC's official stance to disable the bootloaders. I trust them more to follow through than Motorola but alas this is all just my opinion.
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It all depends on HTC I guess. There are going to be a lot of disappointed 3vo owners if they finally realize after a few weeks that the devs can't work miracles and unlock encrypted bootloaders. No custom ROMs or modifications unless HTC comes through.
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HTC has already confirmed the 3d will be unlocked....they specifically said the 3d so that's not a question.
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Can you provide a link? I haven't read that yet.
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HTC has already confirmed the 3d will be unlocked....they specifically said the 3d so that's not a question.
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all of the phones are locked right? doesn't it come down to being encrypted or not?
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Can you provide a link? I haven't read that yet.
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Its somewhere in this board back when HTC announced they changed their policy. The email directly from the CEO specifically said the 3d would be unlocked. Can't recall the title of the thread but there were multiple.
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That's great he said that, but will that be next month or in 6 months? No one knows really, and he may have said that at the time to calm people down who were angry over it. I'm not saying HTC is going to go back on their word, but there still is nothing set in stone in my book.
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Its somewhere in this board back when HTC announced they changed their policy. The email directly from the CEO specifically said the 3d would be unlocked. Can't recall the title of the thread but there were multiple.
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That's great he said that, but will that be next month or in 6 months? No one knows really, and he may have said that at the time to calm people down who were angry over it. I'm not saying HTC is going to go back on their word, but there still is nothing set in stone in my book.
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OK. That's your opinion. But given that the appropriate devs have the Eng bootloader in hand already, I would expect root not too long after its released....assuming no encryption. But well see I guess.
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There's going to be a massive flood of these things on eBay in about 4-6 months if they don't unencrypt it, and the "next" best thing comes along. I think part of the success of the evo4g was the development aspect of it. I just hope HTC realizes that. Could have great potential if they push an update out fairly quickly so there is an easy method to root.
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OK. That's your opinion. But given that the appropriate devs have the Eng bootloader in hand already, I would expect root not too long after its released....assuming no encryption. But well see I guess.
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There's going to be a massive flood of these things on eBay in about 4-6 months if they don't unencrypt it, and the "next" best thing comes along. I think part of the success of the evo4g was the development aspect of it. I just hope HTC realizes that. Could have great potential if they push an update out fairly quickly so there is an easy method to root.
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If it is encrypted at launch I would expect an ota update fairly quickly the next day or so to fix it. After all the bad press I doubt they will drop the ball on this issue.
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As far as the Photon being locked it will be. Now As far as that memo, There are bits and pieces missing. However it's not the 1st Motorola has said it will no longer lock the phones down. in fact every time I have seen this pop up it's been almost the exact same thing, even the "by the end of the year." But I have also read multiple times that that statements means phones coming out at the end of the year the Photon is not included in that group. I believe if you look on XDA as well as the internet you can find that to be true.
I just want to make sure I get the best phone out there and don't miss out. I sign up with Sprint on the 23rd to take advantage of the switch over deal and will get the EVO 4g . The 3D comes out the next day and I read somewhere the Photon comes out in July possibly the 21st. I don't want to use a free exchange in the 1 month time period only to be disappointed I didn't wait for the other phone
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I just want to make sure I get the best phone out there and don't miss out. I sign up with Sprint on the 23rd to take advantage of the switch over deal and will get the EVO 4g . The 3D comes out the next day and I read somewhere the Photon comes out in July possibly the 21st. I don't want to use a free exchange in the 1 month time period only to be disappointed I didn't wait for the other phone
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The cool thing about the Photon is it has HDMI out AND Micro USB port (so it can charge while playing movies (using the two cables at once). As for the EVO 3D, it has a new technology that lets HDMI charge the phone while it's plugged into the TV for HDMI out, however NO tvs out currently support this feature, so you will have to buy an adapter.
Tegra 2 CPU (Photon) is weaker than Snapdragon (EVO 3D). They're both dual core and really fast, but EVO should be superior in most situations. Motorola has stated that the bootloader is unlocked, but some rumors have it that it's still locked down tight and uncrackable (see Droid 2). This definitely makes me lean towards HTC. One more thing, HTC seems to have alot more development behind it (far more than any other manufacturer (Samsung's catching up!). To be honest, your choices should be between the GSII (Samsung within for Sprint) or the EVO 3D.
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There's going to be a massive flood of these things on eBay in about 4-6 months if they don't unencrypt it, and the "next" best thing comes along. I think part of the success of the evo4g was the development aspect of it. I just hope HTC realizes that. Could have great potential if they push an update out fairly quickly so there is an easy method to root.
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That will not have any short term impact on HTC. The amount of us that would sell would have no effect on them.
However, it's people like us that most others go to for phone advice. Once as a company loses our trust and favor the fallout regarding future phones will be exponential.
The important thing is that it will hopefully not be encrypted.
Hey guys,
I'm deciding between the 3VO and the sg2. I've looked up comparisons of the two and it seems that the hardware is better on sg2 and software is better on 3vo. I'm thinking that the 3vo would probably get better devolopment tho.
So convince me why I should get the 3vo, I really don't know! I saw that the sg2 is like $700-$800 no contract in the UK, if true. Ill get the 3vo. Do you guys think it really costs that much?
i made a mistake and bought a samsung phone, that will never happen again. its nice to have working gps on my evo 3d.
Development wise the EVO 3D will be better I'm sure. There's a lot of great developers on this phone right now and will be more coming
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Hey guys,
I'm thinking that the 3vo would probably get better devolopment tho.
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That depends on a number of factors, time being the most important. If our mighty developers crack the phone and/or HTC unlocks it in the 30 day return window (starting on the 24th of June) then there is nothing to worry about and I absolutely assure you that the best and most development will be going on here on the E3D scene...
...once we hit that 30 day window the amount of developer interest is going to sink quickly, not to mention the untold thousands of E3D handsets from twitchy users (like myself) who can't stand the thought of having a locked phone or a phone that is unlocked late in the game with a lame-duck dev community.
Samsung has been sending out SGS2's to developers....and it doesn't have an encryption-signed bootloader.
Search for the thread "hey check out how powerful the EVO 3d is" (something like that) and you will see that hardware is not really superior either way. You could argue it either way and still not be correct.
The above, combined with the reputation of both should make HTC an easy choice....at least in my opinion.
Plus you are right, the software and development side of the 3vo should be a lot better.
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I was in the same boat as you. I wanted to wait for the S2 to come out and compare but since my phone crapped out, I went with the 3D. Do we have a confirm release date for the S2 on Sprint yet?
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Development wise the EVO 3D will be better I'm sure. There's a lot of great developers on this phone right now and will be more coming
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If the developers are unable to crack the bootloader and HTC does not release the unlocked bootloader, then there will be almost 0 development on our phone.
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I was in the same boat as you. I wanted to wait for the S2 to come out and compare but since my phone crapped out, I went with the 3D. Do we have a confirm release date for the S2 on Sprint yet?
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No. There hasn't even been an official statement indicating that it is coming to Sprint. Last year I believe the phones arrival to Sprint was announced in mid-late July. Then, in early August the late August release date was announced. Looks like we may be seeing the same trend. Sadly, if the E3D is not unlocked soon, I may be getting an SGS2 as well though vastly prefer HTC's products over Samsung's.
If the SGS2 came out the same time I probably wouldve picked it over the 3d. In almost all reviews I've read that SGS2 is fast and unable to be slowed down. Tegra 2 games also will play once you root it and install chainfire. Look at this lengthy review below and I recommend watching some of the video comparisons with some other phones. If theres no full root on the 3d and as long as there's an official announcement of the SGS2 (regardless if its coming july or august)within 30 days that I've had my 3d then mines probably also going back.
http://samsunggalaxysforums.com/sho...l-done-now-links-inside-for-anyone-interested...
July 24th is the highly anticipated yet unofficial release date.
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July 24th is the highly anticipated yet unofficial release date.
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That's just way too easy....
...though if Samsung had anything to do with it it was a brilliant maneuver.
If the phone came out tomorrow I would say the GSII. Development on the 3D is dead in the water & looks to stay that way unless HTC decides to unlock the bootloader & nand. Pound for pound the GSII looks to be the better phone hardwise if your read all of the reviews. But history tells us that Samsung is notorious for not supporting their devices & the dev community seems to like HTC products better but that may change with the 3D/Sensation debacle that is unfolding & Samsung seems to be catching on with support. Hard one to call right now. I'm gonna upgrade my Epic to the GSII or Prime if they come to Sprint but if this bootloader/nand situation doesn't get straightend out before 30 days the 3D is going back & I'll just have the OG Evo & GSII/Prime.
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I had Verizon's version of the Galaxy S 1 and it was a huge disappointment. Not because of the hardware... the hardware as awesome which is why I bought it... but because of Samsung bloat, touchwiz and having to wait 6+ months for the 2.2 update to roll out. I wouldn't touch a Galaxy S 2 until Samsung shows they're able to support a phone for more than a month.
(Unless HTC fails to unlock their bootloader, in that case I'd swallow my pride and move to an S2)
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If the phone came out tomorrow I would say the GSII. Development on the 3D is dead in the water & looks to stay that way unless HTC decides to unlock the bootloader & nand. Pound for pound the GSII looks to be the better phone hardwise if your read all of the reviews. But history tells us that Samsung is notorious for not supporting their devices & the dev community seems to like HTC products better but may change with the 3D/Sensation debacle that is unfolding & Samsung seems to be catching on with support. Hard one to call right now. I'm gonna upgrade my Epic to the GSII or Prime if they come to Sprint but if this bootloader/nand situation doesn't get straightend out before 30 days the 3D is going back & I'll just have the OG Evo & GSII/Prime.
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I'm with you man... I just took a peek into the GSII forum and, um, yeah, I think my mind is made up. Most of that would be good for us with minimal tweaking I'd imagine...
Way to go HTC.
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I had Verizon's version of the Galaxy S 1 and it was a huge disappointment. Not because of the hardware... the hardware as awesome which is why I bought it... but because of Samsung bloat, touchwiz and having to wait 6+ months for the 2.2 update to roll out. I wouldn't touch a Galaxy S 2 until Samsung shows they're able to support a phone for more than a month.
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who cares about mfgr support? If the hardware is good and the is a dev community...well...I'm in. GS2 already has most of CM7 ready....CDMA version would likely require a little tweaking, but, likely not much.
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who cares about mfgr support? If the hardware is good and the is a dev community...well...I'm in. GS2 already has most of CM7 ready....CDMA version would likely require a little tweaking, but, likely not much.
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Mfgr support goes a long way, especially when major updates are concerned. Take the Epic for example. Before the official Froyo update we had a few leaks & ROMS built off those leaks but none of them (and I tried them all) came without a major bug or flaw. It's always better to base a ROM off of a official update rather than a leaked one.
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Mfgr support goes a long way, especially when major updates are concerned. Take the Epic for example. Before the official Froyo update we had a few leaks & ROMS built off those leaks but none of them (and I tried them all) came without a major bug or flaw. It's always better to base a ROM off of a official update rather than a leaked one.
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There were no pure AOSP offerings? I am obviously not familiar at all with the landscape on the Samsung side of things--I ditched my moment for my EVO4G and haven't looked back....But I'd imagine that as long as they release their kernel source there would be a handful of pure AOSP roms, at the least....I see CM7 is almost together for the GS2, I'd imagine there would be the usual collection of CM based roms at the very least. I also see MIUI is being maintained for the GS2 already...
...just supply the kernel source and update the radios as needed. I'm well familiar with Samsung's desire to never update anything past release.
SGSII is awesome, I watched a hands on video of it last night, made me excited. LOL
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SGSII is awesome, I watched a hands on video of it last night, made me excited. LOL
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Made me excited too till I read the forums if people who have it......lots of issues it seems.
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It's looking like the sgs2 for me as well. Quality on the evo 3d just doesn't seem to be there
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Has anyone else noticed that the Evo 3D is listed on the devices page on cyanogenmod.com? Nothing shows up for experimental or stable mods, but maybe this means that the Evo 3D will be included when CM 7.2 drops?
Currently there is an alpha version of CM7 available for download in the development section of this site and on cyanogenmods wiki page.
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Currently there is an alpha version of CM7 available for download in the development section of this site and on cyanogenmods wiki page.
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True, but up until now the shooter hasn't been listed on the devices page. I mean, I wouldn't get my hopes up, but it would be nice if it was leading up to something.
It's been on the device page for almost a month now. I'm hoping that we'll get nightlies soon, but I'm guessing that CM9 is the first CM that we'll see stable on the Shooter.
This might be a stupid question, but are the WiMax and 3D something that will be easier to deal with in ICS or just about the same as now?
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This might be a stupid question, but are the WiMax and 3D something that will be easier to deal with in ICS or just about the same as now?
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Likely just about the same as now, maybe a bit more difficult on the 3D side.
Read last night that they are skipping to cm9. If you look at their tweets, they say working on ice cream, check back in two months.
I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue!
Cyanogen himself tweeted that there will be a CM7.2. Only god knows if we'll be stable by then.
It really blows that they (CM Team) haven't even bothered to release vendor files for our device. The community could have really helped speed things up. I guess they're just worried about being kanged.
If you ask me, kanging open source is an oxymoron.
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If you ask me, kanging open source is an oxymoron.
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Not really... Kanging (to me anyways...), implies you are using someone's code but saying you did it yourself. So, plagiarizing, pretty much. And that's not cool.
However, this is English, and a single word can have many meanings lol.
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Not really... Kanging (to me anyways...), implies you are using someone's code but saying you did it yourself. So, plagiarizing, pretty much. And that's not cool.
However, this is English, and a single word can have many meanings lol.
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I can agree with that. What I mean to say is that when you release an open source product (especially an Apache licensed product), and someone uses it in their own derivative, it is NOT stealing. It is infact the spirit of open source.
It's especially offensive since CM itself is a derivative.
Maybe I'm just misunderstanding their POV.
Unfortunately other than Toast, I am not aware of anyone else from cm team even interested in this phone anymore. It's just one phone amongst 10+ powerful phones and its not getting any younger.
I am beginning to wonder if we will ever get bt a2dp, hdmi, etc.
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Unfortunately other than Toast, I am not aware of anyone else from cm team even interested in this phone anymore. It's just one phone amongst 10+ powerful phones and its not getting any younger.
I am beginning to wonder if we will ever get bt a2dp.
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+1 Development on this phone just never took off. Having the Evo 4G, I took having strong development for granted. I'll most certainly do more research next time.
E3D has been a dud for me unfortunately
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I can agree with that. What I mean to say is that when you release an open source product (especially an Apache licensed product), and someone uses it in their own derivative, it is NOT stealing. It is infact the spirit of open source.
It's especially offensive since CM itself is a derivative.
Maybe I'm just misunderstanding their POV.
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Yeah I guess it is a pretty grey area. Technically, if someone modifies software that was released with under the Apache License, it doesn't have to be released under
those same terms.
I completely agree with you, btw, just offering another point of view.
Rippley05 said:
+1 Development on this phone just never took off. Having the Evo 4G, I took having strong development for granted. I'll most certainly do more research next time.
E3D has been a dud for me unfortunately
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I doubt there will ever be another 4G. The planets just aligned so well on that release.
I sit here wondering what phone will have good cm support (nexus series?)
If you take a look at github, toastcfh is working on it and I think maybe we might get a working CM7 before we get ICS after all.
I just wants stable CM7 right now, I've been holding off on flashing the alpha releases as it is. As much as I'd love some ICS, a truly stable CM7 build would still be pretty epic IMO.
I tried the alpha a while ago, and it worked really well. I went back to a sense-based ROM because of the car audio issue, though.
Rippley05 said:
+1 Development on this phone just never took off. Having the Evo 4G, I took having strong development for granted. I'll most certainly do more research next time.
E3D has been a dud for me unfortunately
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I agree with this....I notice a huge difference in in the way the 3d is handled compared to when i used my N1.....I dont consider the 3d a dud though...
I had two Evo 4g's, an htc hero and my wife has an Epic 4g and this phone 3D is far from a dud. It's the best Phone I've owned and the Evo 4g was my baby. I bought one and sold it and bought another and then got the 3d. I don't understand why someone would want Cm7 on the evo 3d. the Gingerbread Ui was ugly. Now ICS variant would be great if only for the UI. That is even tempting me. I used to use CM6&7 on my Evo, but the 3d by itself is far superior, just because of the dual core that makes it a faster evo.
what is this? the evo has been out for weeks and no kernel source but the sgs3 that came out today (i think?) already has the source released. my question is, why does htc like to take their sweet a$$ time releasing this kind of stuff to us?
source for sgs3 news: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/galaxy-s-iii-sgh-i747-and-sgh-t999-source-code-released/
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PhxkinMassacre said:
what is this? the evo has been out for weeks and no kernel source but the sgs3 that came out today (i think?) already has the source released. my question is, why does htc like to take their sweet a$$ time releasing this kind of stuff to us?
source for sgs3 news: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/galaxy-s-iii-sgh-i747-and-sgh-t999-source-code-released/
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Duh haha they always wait till day 89 to release it
thats htc's m o..
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Duh haha they always wait till day 89 to release it
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Haha probably
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I think it's because Steve works for Samsung now. I might be wrong when I say this next line. The international quad-core SGS3 has source available, not the US bound SGS3. Also, "forever"? Dude, our phone is technically 18 days old. Chill or GTFO or get an iPhone.
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I think it's because Steve works for Samsung now. I might be wrong when I say this next line. The international quad-core SGS3 has source available, not the US bound SGS3. Also, "forever"? Dude, our phone is technically 18 days old. Chill or GTFO or get an iPhone.
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The source has been released for two of the carrier branded s3s b4 release
Btw when we do get kernel source this phone is gonna be sick.. Ocd to 2 wow
You are familiar with HTC's business practices, right?
HTC does this all the time. We are lucky the gpl forces you to release it or we'd never see it.
Well take it to them via twitter, FB, forums, blogs and whatever other means you have. If enough people make a sound, then they will listen.
So, things like multitasking, is that in the kernel or is that some NON GPL source thing that they threw in there.. some closed source module?
And I'm guessing things like the Camera drivers are not in source either? I guess I really don't know what source is needed to fix. I don't care about overclocking because I find it silly in a device like this.
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So, things like multitasking, is that in the kernel or is that some NON GPL source thing that they threw in there.. some closed source module?
And I'm guessing things like the Camera drivers are not in source either? I guess I really don't know what source is needed to fix. I don't care about overclocking because I find it silly in a device like this.
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I think that if there is any chance to fix the multi tasking issues that it will be in the source
I sent a tweet to HTC and this is their response.
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Agreed: "Forever" is a bit hyperbolic. 18 days is reasonable. I'm even ok with them waiting a month or two to release source.
I do think it's awesome how proactive Samsung is in this regard and IMHO believe they deserve massive respect! While HTC is moving away from dev support - inducing friction and delay in all respects... Samsung IMHO seems to be embracing devs and tinkerers like a fat girl does candy
Loving Samsung right about now; Note 2 will definitely be my next (unless LG steps up their game - I really want a big glasses-free 3d display preferably with good stylus handwriting support).
1) Samsung is also a member of The Linux Foundation, they are a little more pro GPL than HTC.
B) Overclocking this device not as interesting as Under Volting.
Htc is def not earning any points with their m10, r.9png and slow source release
I love my shiny 4g iPhone!
Hope they come with the source pretty soon so we can add in usb otg. I got new adapter ready to use.
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Seems so odd of HTC to wait until the last minute with source code. Not that this is new behavior from them, but they somehow have always had a dev-friendly reputation (unlockable bootloaders, HTCdev.com, etc).
They were the first to champion Android, but of course, they have also been the most vocal about branding their phones with Sense (others do it, and do it worse, but no one really talks about it as much as HTC does).
I'm happy to wait a while longer, and I think that, on balance, HTC is good for devs and tinkerers. I also don't think it's contradictory to so heavily skin Android but also encourage developers to futz with their devices, but am I the only one who thinks that some of their actual policy is a bit schizophrenic?
I understand that stance but why should they care..we already purchased the device..and although I'm.not a huge fan of Sammy I do commend them on their dev support..they have stepped it up in this regard and almost encourage it..if HTC doesnt hurry up the dev on the LTE will stall (there's only so much they can do)and the gs3 s gonna blow up..in this case I'm rather impatient bc I really hate the mem management on this phone and a gb of RAM should be plenty to keep a tab or app running for more than 10 seconds..do love the phone tho..just needs some dev love
In the past, HTC has been the better of the two with releasing kernel source and also updating their devices.
Just thought I'd put that out there.
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First, Ltevo has great developers. However, the S3 DEV community is so much bigger. I love thus phone and its functionality. But what happened to it devs and custom kernels etc?
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they all ran off because of people asking stupid questions. They knew that even if they stayed, there would still be people asking why a phone with unreleased source, that's only available to one carrier in one country, has less developement and interest than a phone with released source, which is avialable to almost every carrier in almost every country throughout the world.
Calling all devs, calling all devs! Please report to the nite2k thread in general.
It will just be a minute.
fachadick said:
they all ran off because of people asking stupid questions. They knew that even if they stayed, there would still be people asking why a phone with unreleased source, that's only available to one carrier in one country, has less developement and interest than a phone with released source, which is avialable to almost every carrier in almost every country throughout the world.
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Even the EVO 4G had more development than this and it came from the same carrier, same source (HTC). If the Devs are out there, they sure are quiet. It's a ghost town up in here.
Zameus said:
Even the EVO 4G had more development than this and it came from the same carrier, same source (HTC). If the Devs are out there, they sure are quiet. It's a ghost town up in here.
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HahahahahahahahhahahahahahHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That's a good joke you told there. Ever consider a career in comedy? You seem to be a natural.
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HahahahahahahahhahahahahahHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That's a good joke you told there. Ever consider a career in comedy? You seem to be a natural.
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Even the EVO 4G had more development than this and it came from the same carrier, same source (HTC). If the Devs are out there, they sure are quiet. It's a ghost town up in here.
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He sort of has a point when you look at it like that. The LTE is an updated Evo 4G on the same carrier. So following that logic you would think we would see a lot more dev's.
go get a s3 or galaxy nexus
klbjr said:
He sort of has a point when you look at it like that. The LTE is an updated Evo 4G on the same carrier. So following that logic you would think we would see a lot more dev's.
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We'll just wait and see. 6 months from now we can come back and revisit this post and one of us can say, "see, I told you so." :silly:
You can't be serious, right? It's like the glass is half full thing again...I choose to see the great development we have and not wonder why there isn't more.
Maybe ask yourself this simple question: Will I ever be satisfied?
Or maybe: Will I ever stop comparing my now to my past?
Live in the now before it passes you by...
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Plus, there's been a lot going on as of late.
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We'll just wait and see. 6 months from now we can come back and revisit this post and one of us can say, "see, I told you so." :silly:
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I think 6 months from now, we'll be looking into our next phone.
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I'd rather have a handful of very good roms (which we have) than a zillion mediocre ones. You know, the whole quality over quantity thing. So I could care less how many developers we have, as long as they are good. Which they are.
You do understand that the phone is just barely what 2 months old and source wasnt fully released yet plus add in the ota just done 2 weeks ago and other factors like sense 4.0 being a p.i.a to decompile recompile and theme due to updates being needed for the tools devs use. Add all that up and id say we have amazing development going on in LTE world. Due the community a favor and this goes for everyone that feels this way please stop with these threads they do morw harm than good i.e pushing devs away from xda and sharing there work with us all. Shout out to all the devs your work is greatly appreciated by most of the community please dont think views in these threads like this as all our views and keep up the amazing work!!!
My EVO is like my flag and my flag is red SOOWOO
Can we just get threads like this closed? Seriously?
We have nearly a fully functional cm10 and this guys complaining about lack of development.
Don't know about your devs, but I'm sure there are a lot of people who have been busy working on their own projects.
Please use the Q&A fora if you wish to ask questions.