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Hello.
I have a SGSII phone, rooted, with the latest version of rootbox intalled, using fluxxi kernel.
I'd like to connect a flash drive to the phone, but i fail at doing it.
I installed StickMount apk, but it doesnt read any of my flash drives.
Could you help me, please?
csbz said:
Hello.
I have a SGSII phone, rooted, with the latest version of rootbox intalled, using fluxxi kernel.
I'd like to connect a flash drive to the phone, but i fail at doing it.
I installed StickMount apk, but it doesnt read any of my flash drives.
Could you help me, please?
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change ur kernel to siyah and then using stick mount try connecting the flash drive and see
since i use siyah latest with stick mount app from chainfire and have no issues in mounting and unmounting my flash drive
csbz said:
Hello.
I have a SGSII phone, rooted, with the latest version of rootbox intalled, using fluxxi kernel.
I'd like to connect a flash drive to the phone, but i fail at doing it.
I installed StickMount apk, but it doesnt read any of my flash drives.
Could you help me, please?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but u don't need any app or .apk for in general.
I would confirm the post before, to change kernel (if no connection anyway, it's maybe a Rom based problem) and then connect it to phone and to must see "Usb Storage" in Explorer.
Much success &
CHEERS
Hannibal226 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but u don't need any app or .apk for in general.
I would confirm the post before, to change kernel (if no connection anyway, it's maybe a Rom based problem) and then connect it to phone and to must see "Usb Storage" in Explorer.
Much success &
CHEERS
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some times unmounting the same will be an issue and i also had the same, after using that app the issue resolved for me,hence that suggestion ma8
Siyah
Just try Siyah kernel, it worked for me when I had the same issue.
Sun90 said:
some times unmounting the same will be an issue and i also had the same, after using that app the issue resolved for me,hence that suggestion ma8
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Hmm ok.
Thought it's most only a kernel or Rom prob.
Good to know, even if I never had it
But anyway I'm sure a new Kernel (f.ex. Siyah/Dorimanx/N.E.A.K.) should fix this
CHEERS
I tried out with another cable and it works now. Still using Fluxxi kernel, it seems more user friendly for a noob like me.
But i dont know how to safelly remove the flash drive
I use stickmount apk, i select unmount. It says unmounted all drives, but when i pull out the flash drive it says "Usb ejected unexpectedly". How could I fix this?
bump?
General settings
Settings > Storage > unmount SD card
Now that CM10 has been released for the NT I have started up a proper support thread. Pleas keep it as back reports and help.
Please use this thread to post feedback and to ask questions. The Dev thread is for exactly that, development and not support! Please keep the development thread clear of support and feedback posts.
Live support may be available on irc.freenode.net irc channel #nook-tablet, if any of us are around we'll be happy to help but don't bug people if they are busy please. A web version of irc is available here http://webchat.freenode.net?channels=nook-tablet-chat
When posting a bug or issue please use the following format
----------Which install are you using (Internal or SD):
----------What version is your CM10 download that you are using (should be alpha final now):
----------Do you have any mods on your NT (updates or system modifications)
----------If yes to above what have you installed
----------Where is this bug (main system or which application):
----------Can this bug be easily replicated:
----------If yes to above how can we replicate it to check:
----------Description of the bug
----------Any other information we may find useful
(thank CelticWebSolutions for the text)
I would like to run CM10 from an sdcatd. I get lost following the directions iamafanof has on his blog. Does anyone have something clearer?
I just want to boot 10 from sd ,like CM 7 was.
Thanks.
Bill
Just use the same directions used in succulent's (iamafanof) directions on how to boot CM7/CM9 from sdcard. The only thing different is to use his CM10 boot from sdcard zip.
CM10 Install Assist?
UPDATED NEAR END - I am with you miniblue... I have been running an SD version of CM7 for sometime now and absolutely love it. However, would like to upgrade to CM10 and tried using imafanof's SD boot install but somehow I messed it up so now I am running some sort of hybrid of the Nook (still has original apps installed) and CM10. So now I have the nice polished look with none of the functionality.
If someone can help me with some tips as to how to flash and start fresh with a fresh install of CM10 I would be very grateful. Now I have a nook that boots up with cyanboot bootloader but loads a hybrid of CM10 and the nook truncated Android. Now I have the Nook purchased apps (don't care to have) and no ability to do much with the Jelly Bean other than having the nice polished look.
According to the Nook, I am running Android version 4.1.1, Kernel version 3.0.31+ ([email protected] #1), Cyanmod version 10-20120903-UNOFFICIAL-acclaim. Also - My Nook seems to now think it is a 8GB nook instead of the 16GB Nook that it really is. I have the new look but all the B&N apps and no functionality beyond that to speak of. Cannot change themes, etc.
So, I made a good bootable SD card to load emmc CM10. Installed it but still have the weird hybrid version of the Nook software on it. Do I need to format the emmc or something first? I followed the instructions as indicated by chrmhoffmann on this page: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1773362 - where it says this method will overwrite everything. What am I missing?
update: so I was able to use a CWM bootable SD and formatted emmc, user data, etc. Looks like CM10 is running exclusively. Trouble is, as can be expected, it is unstable and so it goes to black screen a lot, particularly when surfing/on wifi. May have to try CM9 for awhile until 10 gets to a bit better performance.
jelly bean sd card not mounting
Hi all,
I just flashed the jellybean rom, and everything is working smoothly. However, when i connect it to my computer. The sd card is not mounting. all i have access to is 1gb on my nook tablet.....
Any help?
Jelly Bean
hensley1971 said:
Hi all,
I just flashed the jellybean rom, and everything is working smoothly. However, when i connect it to my computer. The sd card is not mounting. all i have access to is 1gb on my nook tablet.....
Any help?
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Not sure what to tell you but I used the SGT7 Jelly Bean ROM and I am not having that issue and the ROM is working great for me on emmc. Still getting some black outs on occasion but not too big of a deal.
8gb nook
does it work on 8gb nook tablet?
CM10 Jelly Bean on NT8 & Root BN 1.4.3
arcane76 said:
does it work on 8gb nook tablet?
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Yes. It works fine. As everyone is aware, there are some Black Screen Of Death (BSOD) issues and a few random reboots but not to the point of a MAJOR issue.
I have posted my simple guide to installing the SGT7 (Meghd00t) ROM on my website here: http://raywaldo.com/2012/09/root-for-nook-tablet-1-4-3/ - includes video and my process worked to root & install on a stock Nook Tablet (8GB) running B&N v.1.4.3.
Thanks - - and USB disk issues.
raywaldo said:
Yes. It works fine. As everyone is aware, there are some Black Screen Of Death (BSOD) issues and a few random reboots but not to the point of a MAJOR issue.
I have posted my simple guide to installing the SGT7 (Meghd00t) ROM on my website here: http://raywaldo.com/2012/09/root-for-nook-tablet-1-4-3/ - includes video and my process worked to root & install on a stock Nook Tablet (8GB) running B&N v.1.4.3.
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This is awesome. I'd been thinking about doing a full restore - re-root - install w/ CM10, and it's nice to have a method to follow.
BTW - Ray, (or anybody) have you heard of anyone having problems getting their PCs to recognize their Nooks as USB drives on CM10? It's seems like after a time my PC first stops recognizing the external SD (shows a mounted drive icon but shows no information or says 'please insert an SD card") . . . then eventually stops recognizing the internal "My Nook" drive as well. At one point I did a complete USB driver uninstall-reinstall using USBdeview, and it fixed the problem but only for a day. And it did not work the second time.
I know this is NT related because it happens on any PC I use. The problem is not present when using CM7.
Ideas?
I love sgt7! Can you thank too many times on xda?
I am new here though and I have a few questions. Has anyone been able to reproduce the sleep of death bug ? Or is it completely random? I have done some minimal Linux and android development and I would love to help with improving jelly on nt. I actually have two nook tab 16s. One is running sgt7 9.13 the other 9.14. I know I haven't searched as much as I could have just yet but I wanted to see if anyone would recommend some things I could do for the devs. Can we get a trace from adb when the bug occurs or do we lose the connection immediately before? Do we know where in the libs or kernel the bug may be lurking?
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CM10 USB Drive
timpilcher said:
This is awesome. I'd been thinking about doing a full restore - re-root - install w/ CM10, and it's nice to have a method to follow.
BTW - Ray, (or anybody) have you heard of anyone having problems getting their PCs to recognize their Nooks as USB drives on CM10? It's seems like after a time my PC first stops recognizing the external SD (shows a mounted drive icon but shows no information or says 'please insert an SD card") . . . then eventually stops recognizing the internal "My Nook" drive as well. At one point I did a complete USB driver uninstall-reinstall using USBdeview, and it fixed the problem but only for a day. And it did not work the second time.
I know this is NT related because it happens on any PC I use. The problem is not present when using CM7.
Ideas?
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Not sure which CM10 you have. I am running the SGT7/Meghd00t and it works fine for me.
One thing that you probably already know.. When you connect, Windows will beep but may not display the file manager window.
If you have USB Debugging enabled, then you have to switch to mass storage mode. In the notifications area, you will have a little USB symbol. Click on it and follow the prompts to enable the Mass Storage mode.
Another note. I have Win7/64bit so it may be relative to that. But sometimes SDCard readers, etc have trouble with my USB 3.0 ports and I have to use them on the 2.0 port instead.
Thanks Ray!
Ray, just wanted to give you props for your tutorials. They are very thorough and explain things in great detail for those who are new but want to benefit from the greatness of ROMs and rooting.
/\/(_)777233 said:
Ray, just wanted to give you props for your tutorials. They are very thorough and explain things in great detail for those who are new but want to benefit from the greatness of ROMs and rooting.
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Agreed. Now why didn't you hit his thanks button?
Odd
timpilcher said:
This is awesome. I'd been thinking about doing a full restore - re-root - install w/ CM10, and it's nice to have a method to follow.
BTW - Ray, (or anybody) have you heard of anyone having problems getting their PCs to recognize their Nooks as USB drives on CM10? It's seems like after a time my PC first stops recognizing the external SD (shows a mounted drive icon but shows no information or says 'please insert an SD card") . . . then eventually stops recognizing the internal "My Nook" drive as well. At one point I did a complete USB driver uninstall-reinstall using USBdeview, and it fixed the problem but only for a day. And it did not work the second time.
I know this is NT related because it happens on any PC I use. The problem is not present when using CM7.
Ideas?
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That is odd. Mine hooks up and works great via USB. I am running CM10 SGT7.
/\/(_)777233 said:
That is odd. Mine hooks up and works great via USB. I am running CM10 SGT7.
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I have to turn it off then let it boot up when usb is plugged into computer. Only way for me to have it recognise.
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I have been using cm10 for a while and LOVE it. However, the battery life is so terrible that it's unusable at the moment. I want to install cm7 instead until the battery life improves for this rom, but when trying to install it, it doesn't actually work (cm10 still boots up). Is there a specific process I need to follow to achieve this? Thanks.
mattman1983 said:
I have been using cm10 for a while and LOVE it. However, the battery life is so terrible that it's unusable at the moment. I want to install cm7 instead until the battery life improves for this rom, but when trying to install it, it doesn't actually work (cm10 still boots up). Is there a specific process I need to follow to achieve this? Thanks.
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Provide more details. Does it go through the install process? Any errors? Does the cm7 install appear to complete too quickly? Are you using twrp or cwm? Have you wiped cache and data then tried installing 7?
SlowCobra96 said:
Provide more details. Does it go through the install process? Any errors? Does the cm7 install appear to complete too quickly? Are you using twrp or cwm? Have you wiped cache and data then tried installing 7?
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Sorry for the lack of details. I'm using TWRP, trying to install the CM7 beta. I have wiped cache and data before flashing, as I always do. But yeah, the install seemed to complete suspiciously quickly, like 5 or 10 seconds. It does say that it completes successfully, however, with no errors.
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mattman1983 said:
I have been using cm10 for a while and LOVE it. However, the battery life is so terrible that it's unusable at the moment. I want to install cm7 instead until the battery life improves for this rom, but when trying to install it, it doesn't actually work (cm10 still boots up). Is there a specific process I need to follow to achieve this? Thanks.
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I've had similar issues and I found in another thread that powering off and powering on the device enables Deep Sleep which helps immensely with battery life. The key seems to be remembering to do this after a SOD.
You have to do a complete power off/power on cycle, rebooting doesn't seem to work.
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LifeWOutMilk said:
I've had similar issues and I found in another thread that powering off and powering on the device enables Deep Sleep which helps immensely with battery life. The key seems to be remembering to do this after a SOD.
You have to do a complete power off/power on cycle, rebooting doesn't seem to work.
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Thanks, I'll give the power off/on cycle a chance (since I'm still using cm10 'til I get cm7 to work), and see if that helps.
I just rooted and flashed my SGS II to Resurrection Remix 3.1.2 with Siyah 5.0i kernel, XXLPS, and settings fix 3.1.2. But now i can't see any photos, videos and musics in the gallery and music application but my files can be seen in File Manager application and X-plore under /storage/sdcard1. I did transfer my files from my PC using USB mass storage to the SD Card.
And sometimes my HH freezes even when i don't touch it. so i often force reboot by holding the power button.
Can anyone help me?
henrikusdenny said:
I just rooted and flashed my SGS II to Resurrection Remix 3.1.2 with Siyah 5.0i kernel, XXLPS, and settings fix 3.1.2. But now i can't see any photos, videos and musics in the gallery and music application but my files can be seen in File Manager application and X-plore under /storage/sdcard1. I did transfer my files from my PC using USB mass storage to the SD Card.
And sometimes my HH freezes even when i don't touch it. so i often force reboot by holding the power button.
Can anyone help me?
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Same setup as you except I didnt flash the "Settings Fix" as there was nothing wrong with "Settings" to begin with.
Just re install with a format and don't install the settings. Also only install Siyah 5.0i after the phone has been setup.
henrikusdenny said:
I just rooted and flashed my SGS II to Resurrection Remix 3.1.2 with Siyah 5.0i kernel, XXLPS, and settings fix 3.1.2. But now i can't see any photos, videos and musics in the gallery and music application but my files can be seen in File Manager application and X-plore under /storage/sdcard1. I did transfer my files from my PC using USB mass storage to the SD Card.
And sometimes my HH freezes even when i don't touch it. so i often force reboot by holding the power button.
Can anyone help me?
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Hi,
1. Freezes:
- Have you followed strictly rom installation instructions from 1st post of RR thread? What kernel have you chosen during installation process?
- When you installed a Siyah kernel, have you reset ExTweaks profile in CWM recovery?
- Do you undervolt/underclock?
When I know that it will be easier to assess the reason for freezes.
2. Media files not visible in gallery:
- download and install Media scanner app from Google Play and scan the media files using this app. It should fix the problem.
Regards
toxicdust said:
Same setup as you except I didnt flash the "Settings Fix" as there was nothing wrong with "Settings" to begin with.
Just re install with a format and don't install the settings. Also only install Siyah 5.0i after the phone has been setup.
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because i had alarm and setting bug so i installed the fix setting from the download page. i had the same problem when i hadn't installed fix setting
Many40 said:
Hi,
1. Freezes:
- Have you followed strictly rom installation instructions from 1st post of RR thread? What kernel have you chosen during installation process?
- When you installed a Siyah kernel, have you reset ExTweaks profile in CWM recovery?
- Do you undervolt/underclock?
When I know that it will be easier to assess the reason for freezes.
2. Media files not visible in gallery:
- download and install Media scanner app from Google Play and scan the media files using this app. It should fix the problem.
Regards
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1. - yes i followed all the instructions and i choosed the Siyah one
- yes i reset the ExTweaks in CWM and Siyah is my first custom kernel.
- nope because i still don't understand which good settings to undervolt or underclock
2. downloaded and run it but the application keep scanning and never stop. i've waited like 30 minutes
Hello once again,
This Rom is based on latest Nook Tablet CM10.1 Branch courtesy of our great developers aka Kuzma,Chris,Rebellos etc.
It has SGT7 modifications taken from https://github.com/sgt7 plus cherry picks from https://github.com/loosethisskin.
Links:
Updated Rom 28/03/13:
http://goo.im/devs/meghd00t/sgt7/sgt7_10.1-20130328-acclaim-meghd00t.zip
Previous Roms:
http://goo.im/devs/meghd00t/sgt7/sgt7-10.1-20130224-0601-acclaim-meghd00t.zip
http://goo.im/devs/meghd00t/sgt7/sgt7-10.1-20130131-0219-acclaim-meghd00t.zip
Gapps:
http://goo.im/gapps/gapps-jb-20130301-signed.zip
New recoveries with sgdisk tool implemented:
TWRP V2.4.0
http://celticstorage.co.uk/cm10/TWRP_v2.4.0_sgdisk_emmc.zip
CWM V6.2.7
http://celticstorage.co.uk/cm10/CWM_v6.2.7_sgdisk_emmc.zip
Rom+Gapps+Recovery flash Instructions:
1.Copy rom(zip) file and gapps (zip) and twrp/cwm recovery package onto internal/external sdcard
2.Reboot Nook Tablet and access Recovery.
3.Flash recovery package(optional) then Select from recovery to reboot to recovery once more so you flash rom and gapps with updated recovery!
4.Factory wipe, wipe cache.
5.Flash Rom then flash Gapps.
6.Select from recovery to reboot Nook Tablet
As always,
Enjoy your Nook
Known Issues:
After 4 touches, touch driver freaks out
Epic Citadel ( Unreal Engine 3) FC on touch.
Notified Mik_os about them (something went wrong from 4.1.2 ->4.2.2)hopefully we will see them squashed when and if he finds time....
Reserved for happyness. Thank you sooo much!
Thank you! im downloading right now :fingers-crossed:
Thanks Demetris.
Couple of 1st impressions:
1) The ROM seems to have reversed the mounting for internal (emmc) and external sd cards. Is this by design or is it a bug?
2) I really liked the large status bar icons in your CM10 rom as they are easier on the eyes. Is there any way to make the icons (clock, battery, etc) larger in this rom?
larrycl said:
1) The ROM seems to have reversed the mounting for internal (emmc) and external sd cards. Is this by design or is it a bug?
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Agreed - same thing happens with my install of it.
The ROM seems to have reversed the mounting for internal (emmc) and external sd cards. Is this by design or is it a bug?
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All data is defaulted to internal sdcard by design and imo this is the correct way and if you search around you will find that when otherway around when there isnt one ext-sdcard in the nook the mounting has bugs.
How to add and remove tablet quick setting, I can't find the option for it, the rom only allow me edit the default JB tiles and layouts
Because the sdcard was mounted as internal storage, so all data and installed apps will disappeared. How to reversed it without reinstall again.
I currently have your other ROM installed (SGT7+CM10+Cherry Picks), can I update to this new one without a full wipe? And also will the sdcard switched to internal storage mess up the currently installed apps like the previous posters have mentioned?
Trism said:
I currently have your other ROM installed (SGT7+CM10+Cherry Picks), can I update to this new one without a full wipe? And also will the sdcard switched to internal storage mess up the currently installed apps like the previous posters have mentioned?
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1.No
2.Yes
How to enable ADB debug? Can't find the option.
qingz said:
How to enable ADB debug? Can't find the option.
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Go to Settings... About Phone... Click on the "Build Number" item 7 times to enable the Development Settings option.
Re: [ROM]{WIP} SGT7+CM10.1+Cherry Picks,By meghd00t. 31/01/13
It is under development options, which may not be enabled.
To enable it go to about tablet and tap build number 7 times (from memory) I think.
It has been hidden by default for some reason.
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I'm having deep sleep / battery problems with this rom.
I turn off the wifi at night before going to bed. Even with wifi off, it drained substantially overnight.
c600g said:
Go to Settings... About Phone... Click on the "Build Number" item 7 times to enable the Development Settings option.
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rorymc928 said:
It is under development options, which may not be enabled.
To enable it go to about tablet and tap build number 7 times (from memory) I think.
It has been hidden by default for some reason.
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That's tricky!
Thanks!
The EMMC/SD swap has made it so that games and other things that require the SD space will not install.
EDIT: Yeah, the apps themselves will install to "internal", but wish to store their massive obb data on the SD card which now only reads as 1GB.
flippage said:
The EMMC/SD swap has made it so that games and other things that require the SD space will not install.
EDIT: Yeah, the apps themselves will install to "internal", but wish to store their massive obb data on the SD card which now only reads as 1GB.
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You obviously need to repartition your nook.
Runs beautifully for me. Just to let you know, if you drain it to 0 and it turns off, and your nook cable has broken (as they easily do), it will take ALL NIGHT for it to turn back on with trickle charge. I plugged it into a cell phone charger, which didn't work at all, but then used a cable for external 2.5" hard drives, the type that has two usb plugs, one for power and the other for power and data, and left it overnight.
THAT worked. Just sayin'
But this seems to be the case with the slow charging (whether Nook cable or regular usb) with ALL of the 4.2 roms that I have tried (even 4.1). Oh well. Not a problem for me, but just in case someone else has that problem.
On the other hand, I have not used a rom on the nook yet which I like better or has been more stable for me than this one. Good job demetris!
demetris_I said:
You obviously need to repartition your nook.
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Sorry, it wasn't as obvious to me because it was never an issue with any other rom that was ever released. ever. Thanks for your help. I do enjoy your mods and the time you put into it.
Far and away my favorite ROM. There's nothing out there that's as stable for me as the SGT/Cherry Pick ROM.
Re: [ROM]{WIP} SGT7+CM10.1+Cherry Picks,By meghd00t. 31/01/13
Meghd00t- will you be updating based on kuzmas 2/06 release? I ask because I saw you released a kernel in that thread, and I was wondering if it should be flashed over this ROM, etc. I prefer to stay with your versions as they are always speedier for me. I have noticed, I am again experiencing that when plugging in to charge, I have to turn on the screen until it says or shows charging, though this is a very minor issue. Thanks again!
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I am currently using Oneplus one with which i am facing issues which i think have to deal with storage permissions.
Issues i am dealing with
I can't take any screenshots it says "can't save screenshot due to limited storage"
I can't take any photos it says "insert your sd card before using camera"
I can't Download apps like Chrome or anything like that
I can't download images from web
I can't even move files from my pc even though it detects it
I can't Move any of my files in my phone It says "Operation Failed"
Actually, i installed resurrection remix rom and installed gapps later discovered that my camera and downloading doesn't work.
My device is not rooted (i don't want to) and has TWRP recovery installed. and has my both rom and gapps in the internal storage which i can only access through TWRP. I don't have any important files on that phone so, i am good to delete them. But i only want a Nougat Clean install with proper functioning of storage. i tried so much but it doesn't work at all.
Please help me, this one's so horrible.:crying::crying::crying:
Addminion said:
I am currently using Oneplus one with which i am facing issues which i think have to deal with storage permissions.
But i only want a Nougat Clean install with proper functioning of storage. i tried so much but it doesn't work at all.
Please help me, this one's so horrible.:crying::crying::crying:
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Hello!
Try to see if the information here help you: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/guide-return-opo-to-100-stock-t2826541
Post back either back here or at the thread provided if you encounter difficulties.
Thanks, but as i have said earlier it doesn't allow me to download files in internal storage even though i have nearly 50 gb free. and i can't transfer files through my cable to phone. Now, that i have completely deleted everything i will figure out something to do with this. Anyway thanks,
Mohan
After flashing lineage os through adb i worked and its finne now.
Thanks guys
Addminion said:
After flashing lineage os through adb i worked and its finne now.
Thanks guys
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I can't believe you hadn't tried that.