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I've got thick skin so feel free to throw things.
Watching the forum over the last month I've seen a proliferation of ROMs to the point that I've stopped updating - also partly because my favorite and second favorite teams have stopped putting out new versions. I finally succumbed to the burning urge to try another ROM last night but ended up with buyers "meh."
The ROM environment has become so fragmented that it's hard to know what the advantage of ROM a is over ROM b other than appearance.
A comment from one of the ROM makers brought the problem into sharp focus. "I've renamed my ROM because I didn't know one of my team members already had a ROM named X."
How can you be part of a "team" and not know what's being produced by that team?
It seems like we've got more themers producing work in the form of full ROMs rather than themes. I've got nothing against themers, I love packages that can completely change the look of my device and I'm always on the lookout for cool new themes.
I'd rather see ROM maintainers and themers working together where the former group produces faster and more reliable ROMs while the latter group produces mods for those ROMs.
Do the two groups just not want to work closely together or are there predominantly just mostly lone wolves working at the ROM/theme level in Android?
Wrong section. Suppose to go in q&a (QUESTIONS and answers)
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I disagree because it's directly applicable to development and is aimed at the developers. It's not a general q/a question
I agree with this. There's no need to make a "rom" if you just change the theme. Just make a theme and zip it up then post it in the themes section. And oh yea I believe people refer to these people as "winzippers".
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OP has a great point about our forum here. Ive really stopped doing anything but for my own use, and with the exception of a few real roms put here, I've watched our Vibrant area here turn into a rom porting paradise, without a lot of original work done by people calling themselves devs. Several of these self proclaimed devs have asked me for help with recent projects, and have then been unable to provide even a simple logcat for diagnosis. If someone cant pull a logcat or understand how to do other basics, you really need to take your time and learn.
It is okay to theme and do little things while you learn, and take the time to put out a quality product, instead of a hurried build thats half broken. We have a slight handful of true devs out here, and a whole bunch of people who want to learn, but seem to be in too much of a hurry to kang others work and not really learn how to build a rom from the ground up. Its a damn shame.
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I agree with Br1cK'd. There are a lot of "devs" lately that seem to be kanging together half broken ROM's. I can't tell you how often lately I've flashed something only to find major bugs, when the OP claims that the ROM is 100 percent working and bug free. It seems that most of the more skilled developers have moved on to newer devices. I'm all for people learning but they need to do a lot of quality control before they post their work on XDA.
are you tryna say my team member ferhanmm that did an error ? whats up with you son?>
But then... what actually constitutes a "Rom".
For as far as I know, according to CM6/7/Miui people, only theirs are truly "Roms", as they are built from ground up.
Everything else is just a themed stock Rom, or improvements to existing Sammy framework. (Which I still love btw)
If there were malicious Roms that are purposely bricking systems, then I would argue for stricter requirements for releases. But as it stands, I think the openness of this forum allows users and developers alike to find what makes them happy.
I just think in general, Rom devs/maintainers get more credit (Thanks button hits?) than purely themers. As there is a feeling that themers kind of "work for" Rom Devs... Which is why people tend to package their work as Roms instead of themes (So their work seems less derivative or what not)
Wrong section, but I agree.
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Br1cK'd said:
OP has a great point about our forum here. Ive really stopped doing anything but for my own use, and with the exception of a few real roms put here, I've watched our Vibrant area here turn into a rom porting paradise, without a lot of original work done by people calling themselves devs. Several of these self proclaimed devs have asked me for help with recent projects, and have then been unable to provide even a simple logcat for diagnosis. If someone cant pull a logcat or understand how to do other basics, you really need to take your time and learn.
It is okay to theme and do little things while you learn, and take the time to put out a quality product, instead of a hurried build thats half broken. We have a slight handful of true devs out here, and a whole bunch of people who want to learn, but seem to be in too much of a hurry to kang others work and not really learn how to build a rom from the ground up. Its a damn shame.
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first of all about the logcat ? did you learn alone ? i guess that if someone ask you, its nno bad to help is it ? because i bet some one showed you...now about the kang, so almost every rom here is a kang right ? almost all roms based on stocks from i9000s and stocks kb1`s isnt it ?... i guess this people have the right to learn, but seems you guys that already know a little dont like to help huh?
I have more than enough mods on my rom to constitute it not being a theme, and I don't know about you but I don't memorize every rom name out there. It sounded similar so I changed it, what's wrong with that? Since 2.2 has already been tweaked to the max I was able to put out a pretty stable version in the first post. Only things I can really do from here are make it more efficient and finish the theme which I plan to do but I just posted it. And it's my first rom so thanks for the encouragement.
I agree, the forum is filling up with "roms" that are just the same rom rethemed over and over and over again. What annoys me most are these self-proclaimed "devs" who take bits and pieces of other people's work and put them together for their own "rom" when they didn't really write any of it. Just take a look at their credits lol... It's a crazy long list.
I don't think there's anything wrong with having multiple ROMs. After all, everyone will like something different.
I think what the OP is saying though is that there are ROMs out there are essentially the same pieces with different theme, or maybe a new lock screen, and whatnot. I think the OP means little additions like that can be part of a theme or the theme & apps forum and could be added to any ROM and doesn't warrant releasing a new ROM under a new name and new dev.
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I agree, the forum is filling up with "roms" that are just the same rom rethemed over and over and over again. What annoys me most are these self-proclaimed "devs" who take bits and pieces of other people's work and put them together for their own "rom" when they didn't really write any of it. Just take a look at their credits lol... It's a crazy long list.
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as my partner said above, hell son you dont undestand, everybody uses tweaks that are made because there is no need to redo it...name me any rom you have created ? do you know about roms? dont be stupid
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I don't think there's anything wrong with having multiple ROMs. After all, everyone will like something different.
I think what the OP is saying though is that there are ROMs out there are essentially the same pieces with different theme, or maybe a new lock screen, and whatnot. I think the OP means little additions like that can be part of a theme or the theme & apps forum and could be added to any ROM and doesn't warrant releasing a new ROM under a new name and new dev.
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I did my first root about two month ago. Since then I have tried about 20 various roms or updates to them. I tried one last week that seemed to be a copy from an established developer. The other team got really pissy and used alot of immature slang when confronted. I will no longer use any roms from them. I agree that people should learn from the ground up before posting roms and stop the plagiarism.
I appreciate the hard work of the legitimate developers on this site.
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ferhanmm said:
I have more than enough mods on my rom to constitute it not being a theme, and I don't know about you but I don't memorize every rom name out there. It sounded similar so I changed it, what's wrong with that? Since 2.2 has already been tweaked to the max I was able to put out a pretty stable version in the first post. Only things I can really do from here are make it more efficient and finish the theme which I plan to do but I just posted it. And it's my first rom so thanks for the encouragement.
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dont pay attentionn to this ppl fer.. day just stupids ... look at thhe quote i made above.. its just stupid, they want us to redo the same **** that is already made... for example.. whats the need to do a gps fix when jellette made one already ? its just stupid
them may be half a$$ed devs but them gotta have donate button
Bosina & Br1cK'd, first, thanks for your input and participation but this thread isn't about helping or not. It's about packing up thematic changes and publishing them as a ROM rather than a theme bundle.
If a group of members wants to debate about newbies not giving as much as they get, please start a new thread.
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as my partner said above, hell son you dont undestand, everybody uses tweaks that are made because there is no need to redo it...name me any rom you have created ? do you know about roms? dont be stupid
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this dude ha ha shut up im trying to read and your comments are unnecessary and full of hate and You act like You are a Big Time developer who dont take s**t from anyone , go smoke something and relax , i dont see Team Whisky complain or Eugene, just You big time savior .
But if the teams join there will be more people to split the donation money between so maybe thats why people stay separate ?
As the title says, is there no developer interested in porting PACman to this phon, not to be disrespectfull or anything cause i really apreciate the work and time you are givind to this phone, but I'm kinda angry when i see that even my dad's phone (HTC Desire HD) has android 4.2.2 PACman, and most other phones for that matter, and this phone didnt even have android 4,1,2 or 4.2.1 PACman, I meant i know there was a Paranoid build, but Paranoid Android is missing too many features i need (or want) from AOKP and CM (like lockscreen shortcuts), so my question is if isn't there any developer working or porting PACman to this phone, or at least adding Paranoid Settings to one of the allready existing AOKP or CM roms?
The devs get requests like this every day. I think it's a little unfair, devs are people too, they have lives, jobs and families just like us. Still they have brought us many roms. And they promise even more like ubuntu os. I think we should all be grateful for what we have. And if a dev does decide to port one of our favourite roms.... Bonus . If not, maybe it's time to do a little research on rom development, maybe try building a rom. If a dev see's "a normal" user putting alof of effort into a certain project, theres more chance they will step in and try to help
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honestly Pacman is not worth doing.... it creates issues with other devs apps on the market, and i honestly don't fancy getting the rage from app devs
-Lloir
AndroHero said:
The devs get requests like this every day. I think it's a little unfair, devs are people too, they have lives, jobs and families just like us. Still they have brought us many roms. And they promise even more like ubuntu os. I think we should all be grateful for what we have. And if a dev does decide to port one of our favourite roms.... Bonus . If not, maybe it's time to do a little research on rom development, maybe try building a rom. If a dev see's "a normal" user putting alof of effort into a certain project, theres more chance they will step in and try to help
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lol, first as I tryed to say it was not a request, more of a question if its comeing or not, and also i allready tryed to build my own rom, did a try with something easyer, and i was thinking i learned all i needed and downloaded the sources for cm9 and then tryed and it took me 5 days to manage to figure out how to get it build a flashable zip, cause it wouldnt build a zip file (not talking about this phone, and was long ago for my dads htc desire hd), and after that it ofc failed when i flashed it as in 1st i forgot to sign it and it didnt flash, then i did sign it and flashed, then flashed boot.img and ofc got a fail, wouldnt even get after the htc boot screen, so yah, if i could belive me i would try to build PACman, atm i only know the basic android things, like decompiling, compiling, smaling, backsmaling and signing apks, dont even remember how and what i did in my try to build cm9, and yah, im preety sure id fail again, plus at the time i tryed that i had a bit of time, now i have exams every week, so i totally understand the devs are bussy people and as i sayd or at least tryeing to say this was a question and not a request, i can live without it, even if i will silently hope it will happen one day
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honestly Pacman is not worth doing.... it creates issues with other devs apps on the market, and i honestly don't fancy getting the rage from app devs
-Lloir
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I dont really understand what you are trying to say, you meant some apps are not working on PACman, cause thats what I understand, also sorry for takeing your time?
EDIT: NVM this question/request, i just found the xposed framework and the xposed app settings and those make exactly what i want, im so happy now, for those that want to know what im talking about: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1574401 (for the xposed framework) and http://www.villainrom.co.uk/forum/threads/xposed-app-settings.5486/ (for the app settings)
i had always meant to do some developing but the drop in activity i realized when i moved from the sensation to the rezound really compelled me to start plus i have some work that i really have to do and really dont want to do so you know how it goes. Anyway to it
i started by googling how to build android roms which lead me to xda university giving me a nice expaination as to the various parts of android which i was already familliar
another search lead me to the offical how to build android from source page. i had a few concerns so i thaught i would ask here
i have knowlage building various web applications(php,js,ect) and not the let the fromework so this for me kinda apps i like thinking and innovating. i have a little experience with c++(i was at the stage of learning a gui when my old laptop crashed) so i think i have atleast good enough programming experience to catch on to java at a nice pace. Am currently reading and following googles nice little guid on developing android. Am in the process of setting up work envo (already got ubuntu 12.04 up). and thaught i would just leave a post here to see if anyone had any advice for me?
what i wanna do is be able to port for us,build original roms AOSP they call it for us, build and or port sense roms for us and eventually get to the point where i can get us sense5 or help neo(or any other dev) help us get sense 5. oh and i think i would like to build/modify kernels as well. oh oh and being able to invent exploits to get root or s-off for devices i might get in the future.
Question: while i was reading i was seeing where the buiding process was doing alot of synceing with google servers ect. i dont actually want to submit whatever garbage i might write to them while am testing so im still on the right track following the guid here correcto??
short version: I wanna build android custom roms ect not just edit files and put it out am i on the right tract following the guid here (i already know a lil programming)? http://source.android.com/source/initializing.html
any advice/resources/links welcomed
oki am on the page that says "building and running" i dont see anything for our device am guessing thats because development from aosp has stopped for us and thats where ppl like neo and cyanogen make thier magic. what is the next tut or read for me?
Try this. You could always pull Neo's CM 10.2 repos instead of the 10.1.
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Over the past couple weeks every waking moment of spare time I have had I have used reading any article, watching any movie, browsing any forum thread I have found on the topic of custom rom development and I think I'm getting close to where I can begin my first build. If any of the users here can point me to any helpful links to help me with this I would greatly appreciate it. Now, onto my question. This is probably considered pure sacrilege but I was just curious on the matter. I was wondering, lets say I was wanting to port the new ToudhWiz over to our device would this be possible. If it is possible how difficult is it going to be and is it a project a beginner developer could ever hope to accomplish?
Onto my second question. I have been waiting ever since I got the DNA to see an Ubuntu Touch port for it and have got to the point where I don't believe I'm ever going to see it happen. Is this due to it being harder to build then lets say a AOSP based Rom or is it because not many people in our community here seem to care if it happens or not? The reason I'm asking is because after I get a couple Roms compiled from the simple FAQs I have been able to find and have figured out kind of what I'm doing I think I would like to try to port it over. Once again, ANY and all help is greatly appreciated, whether it's just links to other sites that has helped the developers here get to where they are or even someone wanting to help me learn personally. I have the upmost respect to all of the developers on this site and want to be able to consider myself among this elite group very soon. If I have posted this in the wrong place let the mods move it and let me know of my mistake.
Sincerely,
DrewHamm974
As someone who is fairly new to android / Rom development. Its something that takes a bit of time. I started small by just learning how to compile from source to figuring out how to get it set up to work on a device that already has support to eventually bringing roms to this device when they weren't supported.
I'm no expert but also knowing a programming language like C, C++, and Java will help.
Xda-university.com has some stuff on Rom development.
As for porting TW probably won't happen. Ububtu touch good luck... You will need either someone to do kernel work or learn how to dev a kernel first...
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.torrented said:
As someone who is fairly new to android / Rom development. Its something that takes a bit of time. I started small by just learning how to compile from source to figuring out how to get it set up to work on a device that already has support to eventually bringing roms to this device when they weren't supported.
I'm no expert but also knowing a programming language like C, C++, and Java will help.
Xda-university.com has some stuff on Rom development.
As for porting TW probably won't happen. Ububtu touch good luck... You will need either someone to do kernel work or learn how to dev a kernel first...
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First off I would like to say thank you very much for answering my question. Honestly, I was hoping for an answer from you, Pio, Palmer, or amit_sen. I am currently running CyanFox and must say it is awesome. If I could be bold enough to ask, why would porting TouchWiz not work? Is it due to something about it being a proprietary rom or is it something in the source that won't compile for anything but a Galaxy phone. The reason I am asking is due to the fact if I'm not completely mistaken I saw a sense rom for either the S2 or S3 not long ago.
Now onto Ubuntu touch, I thought all you had to have to port it was a working CM 10.1 build to get it working. Also, is there anywhere besides XDA University you could send me to help learning Rom and/ or Kernel development. Once again I greatly appreciate you taking the time to answer my question I idolize any devs that are on here freely giving their time and hard work.
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I would recommend learning how to build CM 10.2. Once you have a working build, figure out how to build AOKP (or any other ROM without official support).
After that, you will probably have new questions.
Thanks will definately do.
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Touchwiz would be easy to get booting but almost everything would be broken. And because you can't actually compile touchwiz it makes fixing anything a giant pain. Ubuntu touch on the other hand would be relatively easy because you can compile it.
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If I remember correctly, Ubuntu touch is typically based on the cm10.1 kernel, for whatever it's worth.
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Hi,
I've been using XDA for a while now, and with the help of many amazing devs I've managed to flash custom roms to all my older devices no problem! Recently I've been waiting for a dev to make changes to an existing kitkat rom, to fix a bug and I'm becoming a little impatient. I know everyone has their own lives to attend so I'm not complaining, rather I'd like to try and help this dev with the problem as I have quite a lot of experience with Android apps. I've read up on the CM wiki the sort of things that are involved in debugging roms etc. so I know that I'll only be able to help with the framework (as I know no C/C++).
So my question is, are there any ways I can help them, and will my help be appreciated considering the skills I have? I also have a decently fast computer too so I have a feeling I could help with building the rom.
Thanks.
Roarster31 said:
Hi,
I've been using XDA for a while now, and with the help of many amazing devs I've managed to flash custom roms to all my older devices no problem! Recently I've been waiting for a dev to make changes to an existing kitkat rom, to fix a bug and I'm becoming a little impatient. I know everyone has their own lives to attend so I'm not complaining, rather I'd like to try and help this dev with the problem as I have quite a lot of experience with Android apps. I've read up on the CM wiki the sort of things that are involved in debugging roms etc. so I know that I'll only be able to help with the framework (as I know no C/C++).
So my question is, are there any ways I can help them, and will my help be appreciated considering the skills I have? I also have a decently fast computer too so I have a feeling I could help with building the rom.
Thanks.
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Ask them. Or ask their permission to use their ROM as a base, make some actually meaningful modifications, and release it. But as too your "skills" I didn't see you state what they were, and if you have to ask then probably not. Don't stop reading/learning though, you'll only get more knowledgeable.
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Ask them. Or ask their permission to use their ROM as a base, make some actually meaningful modifications, and release it. But as too your "skills" I didn't see you state what they were, and if you have to ask then probably not. Don't stop reading/learning though, you'll only get more knowledgeable.
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Ok, I was thinking along the lines of making modifications and then pushing them to a git repo. Maybe they don't have one, I'll go ahead and ask. As for my skills, I was saying in my last post that I have quiet a lot of experience developing Android apps. Do you know what % of rom editing is Java based vs C/C++?
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Ok, I was thinking along the lines of making modifications and then pushing them to a git repo. Maybe they don't have one, I'll go ahead and ask. As for my skills, I was saying in my last post that I have quiet a lot of experience developing Android apps. Do you know what % of rom editing is Java based vs C/C++?
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There is no hard/fast guide on what "rom-editing" is. Are you wanting to contribute to kernel development? Better know a lot of C. Wanna roll a cool application for a ROMs special settings? Java is what you want. What I'm getting is you know more Java, so why don't you write and application that you think will solve a problem, then talk to a developer about including it in their ROM?