I keep seeing people post on a Development section saying Photon 4G with ICS or CWM or unlocked and etc, shouldn't we just call it Photon 3G and it's less confusing since currently we can't get WiMax w/ any of those method. I mean, it's already bad enough when we have marketing people calling, advertising, and forcing it down the consumer throat calling WiMax a 4G service when we all know darn well that is not what ITU want 4G to be call. And it's not like I don't appreciate the works that these chefs do, because I'm. But it kinda annoy the heck out of me when we know darn well as geeks calling these stuff 4G since we know there is no 4G, not even in marketing term.
Can't we just keeping it real?
What are you talking about I used 4g in new York city before I unlocked my phone and it was very fast I used to get 10mb download speed there is no company out there with 3g that's that fast
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I used 4g in new York city before I unlocked my phone
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That is exactly his point. Once the phone is unlocked, it is no longer 4G. Thus roms that break WIMAX (due to being unlocked) should not have 4G in the name.
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That is exactly his point. Once the phone is unlocked, it is no longer 4G. Thus roms that break WIMAX (due to being unlocked) should not have 4G in the name.
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The phone is called "Photon 4g". Consumer modifications to the phone don't change it's name. You are seriously just splitting hairs.
actually, I think the name is "photon" since motorola has put their trade mark after (and on) the "photon" instead of the "photon 4G".
http://www.motorola.com/us/consumers/MOTOROLA-PHOTON™-4G/73047,en_US,pd.html
http://www.uspto.gov/faq/trademarks.jsp#_Toc275426672
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That is exactly his point. Once the phone is unlocked, it is no longer 4G. Thus roms that break WIMAX (due to being unlocked) should not have 4G in the name.
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I am unlocked and have 4G
halfdriven said:
I am unlocked and have 4G
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And how did you do that.
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halfdriven said:
I am unlocked and have 4G
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Tell me you're not still using the old school AlienPROM trick
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I am unlocked and have 4G
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with cellular (wimax)? I didnt know that was possible. awesome.
I guess one could argue that you are on another carrier (such as AT&T) with a USA gsm-unlocked photon and consider Hspa "4g." Although technically wimax and Hspa are not 4G, some carriers market it as such.
now that would be splitting hairs. :laugh:
4g hspa+, right?
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I could be wrong since I'm not w/ t-mobile, but isn't its 4g apply to hspa+ and not hspa? I don't think photon support hspa+ either, maybe just hspa.
HSPA+ is officially defined as 3G release 7, and is not considered 4G by ITU-R even under a relaxed standard.
that being said, I would be thrilled to have those speeds regardless.
well it apparently DOES have an LTE chip inside as well as so-called Wi-"Max", but if that will ever be functional, who knows, but it does have "4G" capability, just not functioning ones, yet.
photon doesnt have LTE
photon LTE has been DIS-proved time and time again. Do you have facts to prove otherwise?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1724145
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1233294
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1176902
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1672907
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1590963
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1579690
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1411886
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1331277
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1279392
DiamondJay20 said:
well it apparently DOES have an LTE chip inside as well as so-called Wi-"Max", but if that will ever be functional, who knows, but it does have "4G" capability, just not functioning ones, yet.
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So, iPad3 spec is good enough to run ICS and/or JB, so why not call it Android tablet? It does have the android capability just not functioning one yet.
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So, iPad3 spec is good enough to run ICS and/or JB, so why not call it Android tablet? It does have the android capability just not functioning one yet.
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Why would you call an Apple product that currently (and probably forever) runs only iOS an Android tablet? (Confused)
I suppose my Xoom could run Windows 8 if MS wanted to make it so......
I'm sorry I forgot to add the sarcasm tag. I didn't say I could or would, but rather if people should be able to call it 4G simply because the hardware support it but the OS isn't, then the same people could just call iPad3 an android tablet for the same reason. I didn't expect I have to spell this out in a forum full of geeks.
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I'm sorry I forgot to add the sarcasm tag. I didn't say I could or would, but rather if people should be able to call it 4G simply because the hardware support it but the OS isn't, then the same people could just call iPad3 an android tablet for the same reason. I didn't expect I have to spell this out in a forum full of geeks.
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OK - lesson learned for you I guess. Don't expect people who read and post on lots of boards to catch the little nuances of your (unstated) sarcasm. I skim numerous boards and posts everyday and also love sarcasm - and still get in trouble because someone reads me so very literally!
Peace to you!
Okay guys, simmer down...
On a less harsh note, why not call it an Electrify? The only difference between an Electrify and a Photon 4G is one has a WiMax chip and the other does not. If you have a WiMax chip, you have a Photon, but if your ROM can't access it, you might as well just call it an Electrify, since functionally, that is exactly what you have. A Sprint Motorola Electrify, since Electrify literally means "Photon 4G without 4G" (4G as WiMax, not trying to get into the nuances of what is and isn't 4G).
Meanwhile, Electrify users continue to have an Electrify because we have no WiMax to lose.
Also, the correct answer is: "Because that's the model name." 4G is part of the model name.
No sarcasm above this line.
Lastly, I wouldn't trust an iAnything to run to the store for me, let alone Android... Also, "Can" does not mean "Should". You can probably get ICS on an N1 or Desire, but should you? Absolutely not.
So, this may be an unrelated question, but what happens when Sprint switches over to LTE? I'm in LA (Pasadena, to be exact), and sometimes it seems like the promised "4G"-speeds never appeared. I almost switched over to Verizon until Sprint offered me a refurbished Photon in place of yet a 4th replacement Epic 4G.
Sadly, now that I really have fallen for the Photon--I've always thought Motorola makes great phones (but succumbed to the Epic's promised keyboard awesomeness), I'm wondering how long Sprint will support WiMax.
[Sarcasm]Maybe I should switch to the iPhone 5 when they come, at least there's only one party line./[Sarcasm]
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I have an Infuse and plan to stay with it until it comes off contract, but I looked at the SGSII page on AT&T's website and it says 4G HSPA+... Really? Is it really only HSPA+? Or does AT&T want to repel all customers by advertising a Ferrari as having a 20HP Ford engine?
LTE is on a different model and comes out later. This one is HSPA+ only.
I'm glad it doesn't have LTE. I like having a reasonably sized phone with good battery life.
Haven't you noticed that Verizon customers are screwed? They get a choice of outdated underpowered phones, or battery-hogging fatties that provide no speed benefits for a significant portion of the population. In fact, apparently many of Verizon's LTE phones don't work well at all in non-LTE service areas.
I won't see LTE anywhere near where I live for years (probably not until my next upgrade cycle at least) so I'm glad this doesn't have LTE.
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I have an Infuse and plan to stay with it until it comes off contract, but I looked at the SGSII page on AT&T's website and it says 4G HSPA+... Really? Is it really only HSPA+? Or does AT&T want to repel all customers by advertising a Ferrari as having a 20HP Ford engine?
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No, it does not have LTE. LTE on AT&T is only available in a very small amount of cities. However, AT&T is not good at advertising just as you are not good at researching....
Entropy512 said:
I'm glad it doesn't have LTE. I like having a reasonably sized phone with good battery life.
Haven't you noticed that Verizon customers are screwed? They get a choice of outdated underpowered phones, or battery-hogging fatties that provide no speed benefits for a significant portion of the population. In fact, apparently many of Verizon's LTE phones don't work well at all in non-LTE service areas.
I won't see LTE anywhere near where I live for years (probably not until my next upgrade cycle at least) so I'm glad this doesn't have LTE.
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+1 10char.
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The guy at the store said that the phone is let capable and can be upgraded by an ota update later on. People have also found out that they have an lte icon in the system too. So its definitely on this phone.
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The guy at the store said that the phone is let capable and can be upgraded by an ota update later on. People have also found out that they have an lte icon in the system too. So its definitely on this phone.
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Your ****ing kidding me right? You can't be that dumb. It's not software related. There is NO LTE modem in the device. Are people seriously this gullible?
They use the same systemUI.apk where all your 3G, H, and H+ icons are located and just change xml's for different devices.
If the guy at the store said you can run iPhone apps, you going to believe him too?
Call me a jerk, asshole, whatever some people just need to be treated like they have no intelligence.
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The guy at the store said that the phone is let capable and can be upgraded by an ota update later on. People have also found out that they have an lte icon in the system too. So its definitely on this phone.
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yep.
SALESMEN NEVER LIE TO MAKE A SALE
shadowskorch said:
The guy at the store said that the phone is let capable and can be upgraded by an ota update later on. People have also found out that they have an lte icon in the system too. So its definitely on this phone.
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Store reps can NEVER be trusted for information like this.
And the presence of icons means nothing. A lot of frameworks are designed in a generic manner to ease software maintenance. We've got bootsplashes for Korean devices in our param.lfs for example.
Woah. Slow down there bud. This isn't my first android phone. I knew i wanted this weeks in advance so i didn't really care whether it had 4g. Now that i see reports of it being a possibility you go ape sh*t on me. You have to chill out.
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Because by marketing regulations, AT&T can call their HSPA+ network 4G.
I'm surprised no one's complaining about TMO's less competent HSPA+ network.
Its just how oil companies can market their stuff as full synthetic as long as they have an X% of synthetic oil in overall volume.
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Woah. Slow down there bud. This isn't my first android phone. I knew i wanted this weeks in advance so i didn't really care whether it had 4g. Now that i see reports of it being a possibility you go ape sh*t on me. You have to chill out.
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You didn't "see reports of it being a possibility" - you said it was definitely on this phone.
It is definitely NOT on this phone.
Entropy512 said:
You didn't "see reports of it being a possibility" - you said it was definitely on this phone.
It is definitely NOT on this phone.
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+1 and ill chill out when you educate yourself.
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In the "post your stock firmware " thread most, but not all were identical. Could odd balls possibly have different hardware? I can early upgrade on 10/16 from Infuse. If LTE version comes out wouldn't one be able to disable LTE radio/network like other bands? Would think it also would have hsdpa+ as a fallback??
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shadowskorch said:
Woah. Slow down there bud. This isn't my first android phone. I knew i wanted this weeks in advance so i didn't really care whether it had 4g. Now that i see reports of it being a possibility you go ape sh*t on me. You have to chill out.
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In your post you said it was "definitely" on this phone "because the guy in the store told you" and you wonder why you got skewered?
At$t also has not finished the backhaul on its Hspa+ network, so most places do not even get that.
But the nice thing about hspa+ once it is done everyone will have access to a 21mbps network, that is pretty damn fast.
The no lte does not bother me a bit considering At$t hasn't even completed their +hspa.
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At$t also has not finished the backhaul on its Hspa+ network, so most places do not even get that.
But the nice thing about hspa+ once it is done everyone will have access to a 21mbps network, that is pretty damn fast.
The no lte does not bother me a bit considering At$t hasn't even completed their +hspa.
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+1 - Couldn't agree more.
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In the "post your stock firmware " thread most, but not all were identical. Could odd balls possibly have different hardware? I can early upgrade on 10/16 from Infuse. If LTE version comes out wouldn't one be able to disable LTE radio/network like other bands? Would think it also would have hsdpa+ as a fallback??
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No, the LTE version just entered field testing. It is different sized phone and uses a different CPU (1.5Ghz Qualcomm vs 1.2GHz Exynos) as well. So, there will not be a mix up.
I guess the way AT&T advertises is they write 4G in bold letters with a star which says 4G speeds by HSPA Network.
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At$t also has not finished the backhaul on its Hspa+ network, so most places do not even get that.
But the nice thing about hspa+ once it is done everyone will have access to a 21mbps network, that is pretty damn fast.
The no lte does not bother me a bit considering At$t hasn't even completed their +hspa.
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Is LTE even that much faster than H+'s 21mbps? I don't see the point of getting an LTE phone for that extra speed while it drains your battery. How much speed do you really need to play Words with Friends? I'll stick with H+ phones
So i live the Dallas Ft worth area of TX and have ATT. ATT now says that 4G LTE is available in DFW, but i havnt gotten it yet. I still see the H with the 2 arrows for data and ATT says i should see a 4G symbol.
Is there something i need to do to get the LTE?
Sadly there is no LTE antenna.
Unfortunately AT&T calls our phone 4g. Really it's like 3.5g. The HSPA+ antenna in our phones is just glorified 3G. They just fancied up their 3G towers to handle data better. Hints we can get up to 14 Megs a second if we are lucky. Though I have only seen it near the 6 Meg mark.
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So i live the Dallas Ft worth area of TX and have ATT. ATT now says that 4G LTE is available in DFW, but i havnt gotten it yet. I still see the H with the 2 arrows for data and ATT says i should see a 4G symbol.
Is there something i need to do to get the LTE?
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The Atrix was labeled as a 4G phone as a marketing trick, but its "4G" is really just a slightly modified 3G and is not compatible with LTE.
Jonny Steele said:
So i live the Dallas Ft worth area of TX and have ATT. ATT now says that 4G LTE is available in DFW, but i havnt gotten it yet. I still see the H with the 2 arrows for data and ATT says i should see a 4G symbol.
Is there something i need to do to get the LTE?
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I came to this thread at first thinking you were joking but yes, unfortunately Companies like ATT and Rogers where I am from market there HSPA+ devices as 4G and differentiate the two technologies by saying '4G' and 'LTE' respectively. They are scamming their customers with this. According to the wireless device spec, 4G technology is only LTE but the companies decide to market things however they want to; bending the truth to make a sale.
Sorry that they tricked you, as they have to millions of customers who are now cheated into upgrading to a valid LTE phone less than a year after they purchased their '4G' phone.
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I came to this thread at first thinking you were joking but yes, unfortunately Companies like ATT and Rogers where I am from market there HSPA+ devices as 4G and differentiate the two technologies by saying '4G' and 'LTE' respectively. They are scamming their customers with this. According to the wireless device spec, 4G technology is only LTE but the companies decide to market things however they want to; bending the truth to make a sale.
Sorry that they tricked you, as they have to millions of customers who are now cheated into upgrading to a valid LTE phone less than a year after they purchased their '4G' phone.
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In December 2010, the ITU declared HSPA+ as 4G. Prior to that declaration, not even LTE qualified as 4G. Only Wimax and LTE-Advanced were considered 4G.
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/18/itu-reverses-its-decision-lte-wimax-and-hspa-are-now-4g/
If people would stop saying hspa+ is not 4G (i don't care if you disagre it has officially been certified as 4G) and rather just explain that hspa+, and LTE are two different versions of 4G currently marketed by Att of which LTE is the faster things might go smoother for everybody....
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If people would stop saying hspa+ is not 4G (i don't care if you disagre it has officially been certified as 4G) and rather just explain that hspa+, and LTE are two different versions of 4G currently marketed by Att of which LTE is the faster things might go smoother for everybody....
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Come on, pal... if hydrochloric acid is defined as "water" will you drink it? HSPA+ is not 4g. Redefining standards to accommodate what is currently available does not change reality. Many people can't just swallow the blue pill... Others will call hydrochloric acid water. Good luck getting people to switch camps!
Marketing dishonesty sucks...
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Come on, pal... if hydrochloric acid is defined as "water" will you drink it? HSPA+ is not 4g. Redefining standards to accommodate what is currently available does not change reality. Many people can't just swallow the blue pill... Others will call hydrochloric acid water. Good luck getting people to switch camps!
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The problem is you don't make the standards, by refusing to accept them you are only spreading more confusion and making the problem worse. Both LTE and hspa+ are officially certified as 4G, and will from this point on be advertised as 4G. Did you know all thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs.... hmm guess I can say stupid stuff irrelevant to the conversation as well
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Come on, pal... if hydrochloric acid is defined as "water" will you drink it? HSPA+ is not 4g. Redefining standards to accommodate what is currently available does not change reality. Many people can't just swallow the blue pill... Others will call hydrochloric acid water. Good luck getting people to switch camps!
Marketing dishonesty sucks...
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LTE is not 4G either by the initial definition. Blame the ITU, not AT&T. If the ITU says it is, you can't fault AT&T for calling it 4G.
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The problem is you don't make the standards, by refusing to accept them you are only spreading more confusion and making the problem worse. Both LTE and hspa+ are officially certified as 4G, and will from this point on be advertised as 4G. Did you know all thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs.... hmm guess I can say stupid stuff irrelevant to the conversation as well
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A worthless reply, not worth my time to say any more.
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LTE is not 4G either by the initial definition. Blame the ITU, not AT&T. If the ITU says it is, you can't fault AT&T for calling it 4G.
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Thank you for adding to the conversation. I am not at all confident in the ITA personally... To me, it has looked like they bowed their definition to the initial dishonest advertising and changed the meaning of 4g to fit what the industry in the US wanted it to be. Lot of blame to go around in my eyes, some toward at&t, T-Mobile, sprint, ITU... Just disappointing as a consumer that what was defined originally has been repeatedly backed off of to the detriment of the consumer. Many people therefore choose not to go along with the repeatedly lowered definition: Even Motorola's engineers apparently, as you won't find a 4g icon for hspa+... Difficult situation indeed.
(ITU wasn't the first to call hspa+ 4g either...)
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no provider has real 4g at all read this
http://kschang.hubpages.com/hub/What-You-Do-NOT-Know-about-4G-Cellular-Phones
pressure from phone companies decided what they can call 4g. Some of the companies decisions have changed sprint is going to do advanced lte now rather than wimax but the article is valid nonetheless. 100 meg download is a tall order maybe one day.
This would fix things
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/10/14/new.senate.bill.should.bring.better.4g.definition/
do away with such a general description and just say what it really is. just label it a h+ phone or wimax or lte
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Listen buddy bottom line is hspa + has been approved as 4G, I don't care if you're still butt hurt because you and you're nerd herd friends had higher expectations for 4G wireless technology. However it was determined that hspa + was a big enough jump from 3G that it could be called 4G. Bottom line is we will never have truth in advertising when we advertise in G's rather than expected download speeds using X technology (hspa+/LTE/Wimax/ect.)
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Thank you for adding to the conversation. I am not at all confident in the ITA personally... To me, it has looked like they bowed their definition to the initial dishonest advertising and changed the meaning of 4g to fit what the industry in the US wanted it to be. Lot of blame to go around in my eyes, some toward at&t, T-Mobile, sprint, ITU... Just disappointing as a consumer that what was defined originally has been repeatedly backed off of to the detriment of the consumer. Many people therefore choose not to go along with the repeatedly lowered definition: Even Motorola's engineers apparently, as you won't find a 4g icon for hspa+... Difficult situation indeed.
(ITU wasn't the first to call hspa+ 4g either...)
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My guess for Motorola is that the phone was developed before HSPA+ was considered 4G which was why the H+ icon and not 4G. It was declared 4G in December and the Atrix was released in February. Technically, the Atrix would show H+ even if the phone was HSPA; there was no seperate 3G icon. So it was somewhat deceptive to put an H+ icon up even though it was only standard 3G.
I think the only retailer you can truely blame is T-Mobile. They were calling theirs 4G (HSPA+) long before the ITU caved. I believe AT&T only called it 4G after the ITU declared it as such.
That said, you definitly can blame the ITU for it. They're the standards body. Regardless of who was calling something 4G, they're the ones who determined what the definition of 4G was. They could have just stated that HSPA+ was not 4G (neither was LTE) and that T-Mobile was using false advertising. If the standard is that flexible, and they can change it on a whim, then there was no 4G standard.
As others have said, HSPA+ and LTE are different enough from 3G that you have to call it something. It's working itself out. LTE is called 4G LTE to distinguish itself.
What's the point if arguing weather its 4g or not when we all are gonna still use their phones.
When life sucks I just enjoy the head
im still satisfied with my phone and had done enough reading to know what i was buying. and as for the arguing i dont think anyone here is getting to upset.this is a relevant conversation even if we had amazing download speeds who is going to start downloading movies on there phone rather than a pc especially with data caps.phone still browses can download small bits of information at a reasonable speed and holds its own compared to newer devices
so sprint just announced there first lte network area, and i just happen to live smack dab in the middle
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/28/sprint-caps-year-of-network-vision-milestones-with-first-lte-clu/
so other than huge jumping jacks being done by me, how likely is it that our/my phone will be able to be the new baddest MoPho on the planet?
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Photon doesn't have an LTE radio so its not like you'll get to use it *jealousy shrug* lol. LTE sprint phones should make an appearance on sprint's line up some time next year. I'm thinking after the summer or Q4.
i thought i read somewhere that the photon had a dual wimax/lte chip?
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i thought i read somewhere that the photon had a dual wimax/lte chip?
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Nope lol. Just wimax, cdma 1x evdo, and the gsm bands. I don't think there's a single phone on the market that has both wimax and lte if it is I bet you won't find in the US.
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_photon_4g_mb855-3987.php
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i thought i read somewhere that the photon had a dual wimax/lte chip?
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Theres been rumors it does and that motorola has been hiding it..
We wont know until motorola releases the official full hardware specs of the phone this month (i think around mid this month) along with the phones kernel
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Theres been rumors it does and that motorola has been hiding it..
We wont know until motorola releases the official full hardware specs of the phone this month (i think around mid this month) along with the phones kernel
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There's no way they could hide it lol. The phone would have to be thicker to include a wimax and LTE radio. Again, there's no phone in the US that has this and I assure you the photon isn't going to be the one. There's been plenty of complete tear downs/videos and a wimax radio was alone. No LTE. I doubt they would "hide it" then reveal it. That doesn't really make sense to a marketing standpoint; if it had an LTE radio sprint would market the **** out of the photon to make money since the photon would be the only phone in the world with that combo.
I've been told many times by Motorola & Sprint that it has LTE, and we will get it in a software update. I am going to wait and see. Who knows, we may be surprised, although I am not counting on it.
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There's no way they could hide it lol. The phone would have to be thicker to include a wimax and LTE radio. Again, there's no phone in the US that has this and I assure you the photon isn't going to be the one. There's been plenty of complete tear downs/videos and a wimax radio was alone. No LTE. I doubt they would "hide it" then reveal it. That doesn't really make sense to a marketing standpoint; if it had an LTE radio sprint would market the **** out of the photon to make money since the photon would be the only phone in the world with that combo.
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Then why else would they not release there specs till january around the same time sprint reveals a big suprise at ces the 10th and motorola be the first company around the same time as development of this phone talk with beceem to create a wiimax+lte chip anddd they could not release that info to sell sprints other phones for the time being then the people who have those phones but want lte when available would have to buy the photon?.. also like the guy said above me many sprint stores will tell you there will be an update for lte on our phones.. And the phone wouldnt be that much thicker at all if it was anyways its already a lil thick compared to samsung phones... The only tear downs ive seen couldnt get past the metal plating covering the radios.. If they did the lte+wiimax chip is a pretty simple looking chip so easily missed.. Not saying your wrong just saying I do believe there is a possibility and listed all the arguements ive heard stating why (ive also validated those arguements too) either way I love this phone!!
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I guess I'll be one of the first to find out! It would be really cool if it is true, oh well if not.
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I guess I'll be one of the first to find out! It would be really cool if it is true, oh well if not.
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Do you plan on doing a teardown and soldering off the metal plates? Because if so yoyu would settle a long time rumor and possibly make it to engadget or phandroid. Either way I'm excited.
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I meant ill find out if it does when they turn on the network and update the software on our phones.
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I meant ill find out if it does when they turn on the network and update the software on our phones.
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You willing to put a little wager on that? You're not getting an update because it doesn't have LTE in the phone lol.
Hey chronic you wanna bet?
deedscreen said:
I've been told many times by Motorola & Sprint that it has LTE, and we will get it in a software update. I am going to wait and see. Who knows, we may be surprised, although I am not counting on it.
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I work for corporate Sprint and can say that the Motorola Photon 4G does not have a LTE chipset in it nor do any of the smartphones in current product line up have one either. Go into a Sprint S&R Center and have a TSR show you the MoBo of a MoPho and you'll see the chipset is a WiMax one. The Sprint market where LTE has been turned up is immaterial in the sense that they are not any devices currently available to take advantage of it. I would suggest people to tune into CES 2012 where we will make announcements pertaining to various technologies to be deployed as well as new products and services
I've been telling these dudes this lol.
Oh well, I guess it was just another wet dream!
wireless.praying.mantis said:
I work for corporate Sprint and can say that the Motorola Photon 4G does not have a LTE chipset in it nor do any of the smartphones in current product line up have one either.
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Was told by Motorola this same thing... however, was told also that they're working on an LTE phone for Sprint... for some reason, Sprint & Motorola don't get along that well...
So if us cellular has a LTE network in select cities, could the electrify have the lte radio? Or do they have another 4G phone in the works?
Now would it be possible that they made the photon with the beacem 500 for the purpose of having a test phone for the network for when they were testing their lte network?
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So if us cellular has a LTE network in select cities, could the electrify have the lte radio? Or do they have another 4G phone in the works?
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From everything I've read from US Cellular, our phone wont do 4g. (this wont surprise some, but there were/are people holding out hope). Just read there announcement today that they have several new phones and a tablet in "R&D" for there new 4g network. Supposed to debut in select areas in June, if memory serves.
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Sprint store reps don't know
I was due for a phone update and asked a rep in one of the Sprint corporate store about the LTE 4G that is coming out and does the current phones have the hardware to be able to use this and was told that all of the current top 4G phones (Galaxy II s, HTC Evo 3D, Motorola Photon, etc..) will be able to use the LTE 4G. Now that I have a Photon and will be stuck for 22 months should I return it and wait for a LTE 4G phone to upgrade to? I thought it was probably tgtbt that the current phones would be able to support the new LTE 4G. I probably should contact someone in Sprint about what customers are being told to make a sale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is the ability to use 4g LYE in the software or hardware of the phone? I have an LTE sim card that came with my htc vivid, but as I understand (which isn't much), I will have to wait for an update or custom ROM that includes an LTE radio. I've also read that LTE phones have different modules in which case I would never get to use it on my i777. This phone is great and there's no way I'm trading it in for a Skyrocket just for LTE when everything else it's so much better on the i777.
Can any one tell me then, will I ever get to use LTE?
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Just to add to the above answer
LTE and our Exynos chipset dont get along right now, hence all the LTE phones having snapdragon processors. Thats the main kicker for me. and LTE is in very few places is ****ing stupid that at&t is starting to focus even the smallest amount on LTE devices
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Is the ability to use 4g LYE in the software or hardware of the phone? I have an LTE sim card that came with my htc vivid, but as I understand (which isn't much), I will have to wait for an update or custom ROM that includes an LTE radio. I've also read that LTE phones have different modules in which case I would never get to use it on my i777. This phone is great and there's no way I'm trading it in for a Skyrocket just for LTE when everything else it's so much better on the i777.
Can any one tell me then, will I ever get to use LTE?
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Seriously?
Thanks, this is just the answer I was looking for, I do live in an LTE coverage area bad for me though
MotoMudder77 said:
Just to add to the above answer
LTE and our Exynos chipset dont get along right now, hence all the LTE phones having snapdragon processors. Thats the main kicker for me. and LTE is in very few places is ****ing stupid that at&t is starting to focus even the smallest amount on LTE devices
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I live in an area that should have great coverage but I still only get an average of 6Mbps, would updating my APN settings from the old wap.cingular help improve my data service?
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Is the ability to use 4g LYE in the software or hardware of the phone? I have an LTE sim card that came with my htc vivid, but as I understand (which isn't much), I will have to wait for an update or custom ROM that includes an LTE radio. I've also read that LTE phones have different modules in which case I would never get to use it on my i777. This phone is great and there's no way I'm trading it in for a Skyrocket just for LTE when everything else it's so much better on the i777.
Can any one tell me then, will I ever get to use LTE?
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Miami_Son said:
Seriously?
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Oh here we go
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I guess I am gullible.
AT&T says their network is the only one that you can talk and surf at the same time.
Not true. I most certainly can on my EvoLte.
If I am the only one that was this ignorant then man do I really feel stupid.
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They advertise it typically on their iPhone commercials, and that was certainly true before iPhone 5.
All GSM networks can talk and surf at the same time. All networks can talk and surf if backed up by data network (LTE/wimax or WiFi). But CDMA networks such as Verizon and Sprint, without backup data connection, it's Evo LTE and maybe Droid DNA are the only phones that can talk and surf at the same time.
I find it fun to show my AT&T rep (i work @ best buy mobile) but then she shows me a speed test (just HSPA+ in the area for AT&T but there is Sprint LTE in the neighborhood but not in the building). lol
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droiddawg said:
I find it fun to show my AT&T rep (i work @ best buy mobile) but then she shows me a speed test (just HSPA+ in the area for AT&T but there is Sprint LTE in the neighborhood but not in the building). lol
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Lol. I did a speed test brawl with my mom's iPhone 5 on 4G at&t and mine wy evo lte. She had 40mbps or something like that. Mine topped at 350kbps. Hahaha. 3G speeds are great in Minnesota... 4G LTE doesn't really exist here.
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Its called svdo and its very old news.
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Well I've hit 36mbps here at my house on Sprint LTE!! Not sure how AT&T compares as I don't know anyone with AT&T, but with that said, I'm assuming they aren't that great in my area.
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stanglifemike said:
Well I've hit 36mbps here at my house on Sprint LTE!! Not sure how AT&T compares as I don't know anyone with AT&T, but with that said, I'm assuming they aren't that great in my area.
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Sounds great!
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Well I've hit 36mbps here at my house on Sprint LTE!! Not sure how AT&T compares as I don't know anyone with AT&T, but with that said, I'm assuming they aren't that great in my area.
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Great speed. In NYC, where LTE is available, I get something around 3-4mbps down, about 4 up. Maybe because NYC is not officially launched and they are still testing things.
Meanee said:
They advertise it typically on their iPhone commercials, and that was certainly true before iPhone 5.
All GSM networks can talk and surf at the same time. All networks can talk and surf if backed up by data network (LTE/wimax or WiFi). But CDMA networks such as Verizon and Sprint, without backup data connection, it's Evo LTE and maybe Droid DNA are the only phones that can talk and surf at the same time.
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Not quite true, did you know that the iphone 5 on sprint/verizon can't do voice and data at the same time even while on lte? Also, did you know that the evo lte, gs3, viper 4g can also do voice and data simultaneously over 3g and not just lte? Like someone else said, its called svdo. Not every lte phone is capable of svdo but there are a few that are and what determines svdo capabilities is the chip/radio design in the phone and not on the network side.
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Not quite true, did you know that the iphone 5 on sprint/verizon can't do voice and data at the same time even while on lte? Also, did you know that the evo lte, gs3, viper 4g can also do voice and data simultaneously over 3g and not just lte? Like someone else said, its called svdo. Not every lte phone is capable of svdo but there are a few that are and what determines svdo capabilities is the chip/radio design in the phone and not on the network side.
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So, if possible, why wouldn't Apple install the chip/radio possible of doing simultaneous voice and data on the Verizon and Sprint versions of all the iPhones since they did on all of the AT&T versions? Seems like a no-brainer for Apple to do that, and make their iPhone stand out amongst all other phones. Also, why only do it for AT&T versions and not Sprint and Verizon? Just seems like a stupid business/marketing decision Apple made, if it is possible and they just chose not to...
Also, so the GS3 can do simultaneous voice and data over 3G on all of the carriers that it's offered on? That's very interesting, because I had no idea! I thought that it was something only possible on newer Android phones when connected to LTE. I have never known that it has been possible for a while on Android with the right chip/radio. Why wouldn't manufacturers do this sooner!? Why did multiple manufacturers suddenly decide to do this to their phones around the same time? Just seems crazy to me! If I was HTC, I would have been putting this chip/radio in for a while now, as something to make them stand out against other Android phones! Seems like a very obvious marketing strategy!!
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I have and do quite often talk and use data at the same time on Sprints 3G signal on my EVO LTE. It does work.
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So, if possible, why wouldn't Apple install the chip/radio possible of doing simultaneous voice and data on the Verizon and Sprint versions of all the iPhones since they did on all of the AT&T versions? Seems like a no-brainer for Apple to do that, and make their iPhone stand out amongst all other phones. Also, why only do it for AT&T versions and not Sprint and Verizon? Just seems like a stupid business/marketing decision Apple made, if it is possible and they just chose not to...
Also, so the GS3 can do simultaneous voice and data over 3G on all of the carriers that it's offered on? That's very interesting, because I had no idea! I thought that it was something only possible on newer Android phones when connected to LTE. I have never known that it has been possible for a while on Android with the right chip/radio. Why wouldn't manufacturers do this sooner!? Why did multiple manufacturers suddenly decide to do this to their phones around the same time? Just seems crazy to me! If I was HTC, I would have been putting this chip/radio in for a while now, as something to make them stand out against other Android phones! Seems like a very obvious marketing strategy!!
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The iphone on att has been able to talk and surf at the same time because thats how gsm works. For a cdma phone to do talk and surf at the same time u need a dedicated internet source or an svdo radio installed in the phone. My guess is apples proprietary hw wouldnt work with an svdo radio on sprint/verizon. Or they just simply didnt want to include it.
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The iphone on att has been able to talk and surf at the same time because thats how gsm works. For a cdma phone to do talk and surf at the same time u need a dedicated internet source or an svdo radio installed in the phone. My guess is apples proprietary hw wouldnt work with an svdo radio on sprint/verizon. Or they just simply didnt want to include it.
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Cool. Thanks. Yea, I knew that the iphone on AT&T has been capable of this for a while now. I thought that all GSM networks were capable of this. After reading themuffinman's post, I thought he was saying that it was all up to the phone itself and didn't rely on the network at all. That would mean that a GSM network wasn't always capable of doing this, but if the phone was capable THEN it was possible. After reading your post, then re-reading his post; I think what he was saying is that CDMA networks couldn't do this if the phone isn't made capable, and not that GSM networks couldn't if the phone wasn't capable. Now that makes sense to me, and is how I've always thought that it worked.
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So, if possible, why wouldn't Apple install the chip/radio possible of doing simultaneous voice and data on the Verizon and Sprint versions of all the iPhones since they did on all of the AT&T versions? Seems like a no-brainer for Apple to do that, and make their iPhone stand out amongst all other phones. Also, why only do it for AT&T versions and not Sprint and Verizon? Just seems like a stupid business/marketing decision Apple made, if it is possible and they just chose not to...
Also, so the GS3 can do simultaneous voice and data over 3G on all of the carriers that it's offered on? That's very interesting, because I had no idea! I thought that it was something only possible on newer Android phones when connected to LTE. I have never known that it has been possible for a while on Android with the right chip/radio. Why wouldn't manufacturers do this sooner!? Why did multiple manufacturers suddenly decide to do this to their phones around the same time? Just seems crazy to me! If I was HTC, I would have been putting this chip/radio in for a while now, as something to make them stand out against other Android phones! Seems like a very obvious marketing strategy!!
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Because the Qualcomm chip that enables svdo on cdma networks wasn't out yet. It made its first appearance on the LG Viper 4G. Once the chip became available only then could manufacturers add it on. Like Evo lte and GS3. You see how Samsung decided to go with their Exynos quadcore in the Note 2 and because of it unlike the S3 we have no svdo.
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I forget who but I just laugh at the one who doesn't understand why apple wouldn't do it for all phones, its bad marketing.
HELLO its apple after all lol
Not being mean, please don't take it that way, just saying
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IMO it's because apple likes to leave things out so they can put them in the next version. That way they can tout it as a 'new' feature (new to them at least) and the sheep will buy in.
Remember how the original Iphone didn't have 3g?
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moses2303 said:
IMO it's because apple likes to leave things out so they can put them in the next version. That way they can tout it as a 'new' feature (new to them at least) and the sheep will buy in.
Remember how the original Iphone didn't have 3g?
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This probably wasn't so much an Apple decision as it was an AT&T decision. AT&T has been hit hard ever since they lost the iPhone exclusivity in the states, they want to milk it for all its worth. Apple doesn't do the "leave a feature out" bit on purpose.
The original iPhone did not have 3G because 3G wasn't nearly as ubiquitous as it is now. Well, I say "as it is now" but then I look at my phone right now and I see that I'm on 1X anyway. Not many people even realize that when the first iPhone came out, smartphones weren't seen as the multi-purpose machines that they are now. Hell, the first few revisions of iOS weren't even designed with the idea of third-party apps at all. We've come a long way since then.
We could also be called "sheep" as well, you know, we keep buying into more and more powerful Android phones with insane processors and ridiculous GPUs but it wasn't until Android 4.2 that the UI is as consistently 60FPS-smooth as an iPhone that has half (if not less) the processing power. Just saying, you should keep an open unbiased mind, that's what separates you from the fanboy-lusting Android people who froth at the mouth when Apple is mentioned and mature, logical, and reasonable adults. (not accusing anyone of the former)
Afaik all iPhones are identical internally across all carriers regardless of gsm/cdma...only reason a att iPhone won't work on sprint is bc sprint won't allow it ...they won't even allow an unlocked phone on the network even though it is perfectly capable of it ..
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Afaik all iPhones are identical internally across all carriers regardless of gsm/cdma...only reason a att iPhone won't work on sprint is bc sprint won't allow it ...they won't even allow an unlocked phone on the network even though it is perfectly capable of it ..
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Well, due to the nature of CDMA and ESNs, you can't actually "unlock" a CDMA phone (unless someone would like to correct me).
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Because the Qualcomm chip that enables svdo on cdma networks wasn't out yet. It made its first appearance on the LG Viper 4G. Once the chip became available only then could manufacturers add it on. Like Evo lte and GS3. You see how Samsung decided to go with their Exynos quadcore in the Note 2 and because of it unlike the S3 we have no svdo.
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Not entirely true there.... Chips were out that could support it before the Viper...
Hence the Thunderbolt had it with the addition of an extra modem on board on the MDM9600, which was used for evdo data, and let the MSM8655 handle the 1x cdma voice connection....bringing you svdo... Now sprint had no need for the extra MDM chip like Verizon did back then as its main purpose was for LTE connectivity... Not worth adding the extra modem back then just for svdo...
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