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I bought this phone 2 days ago, new, sealed, free from contract, and so far I love everything about it, except for this problem which I have found only today. I guess It was all the first excitement keeping me to notice earlier.
Like the thread's title says, it's like a perfect pattern across the screen, from edge to edge, consisting in perfect parallel 10-degrees-from-horizontal-oblique stripes. They are very very subtle and only visible on light backgrounds and more from looking from the upper part of the screen down.
Do not confuse them with the pixels matrix, whose density, by the way, is great. They are all right, and the effect described above seems to appear on a layer which is on top of those pixels.
To make an almost perfect comparison, this effect looks almost like the striped background from market.android.com (as seen on a computer), but with more subtle greish on white stripes inclined from right to left, and only like 10 degrees oblique from the horizontal. That is what's making me curious, why is that pattern oblique? If it were straight horizontals or verticals I would have confused them with the pixels arrays, and it would have been bearable. But like they are I can't stop but notice this pattern every time and it annoys me a lot! In GMail, Browser etc... all the apps with plain backgrounds...
It wouldn't appear on any close picture I tried to take, and I guess filming for you to see it isn't a good idea either, because you won't notice it. It's only visible with the naked eye, at a distance closer than 30 cm from the screen. It isn't also a problem of my eyes, because my wife is noticing it too.
Thank for any shared thought.
stnel said:
I bought this phone 2 days ago, new, sealed, free from contract, and so far I love everything about it, except for this problem which I have found only today. I guess It was all the first excitement keeping me to notice earlier.
Like the thread's title says, it's like a perfect pattern across the screen, from edge to edge, consisting in perfect parallel 10-degrees-from-horizontal-oblique stripes. They are very very subtle and only visible on light backgrounds and more from looking from the upper part of the screen down.
Do not confuse them with the pixels matrix, whose density, by the way, is great. They are all right, and the effect described above seems to appear on a layer which is on top of those pixels.
To make an almost perfect comparison, this effect looks almost like the striped background from market.android.com (as seen on a computer), but with more subtle greish on white stripes inclined from right to left, and only like 10 degrees oblique from the horizontal. That is what's making me curious, why is that pattern oblique? If it were straight horizontals or verticals I would have confused them with the pixels arrays, and it would have been bearable. But like they are I can't stop but notice this pattern every time and it annoys me a lot! In GMail, Browser etc... all the apps with plain backgrounds...
It wouldn't appear on any close picture I tried to take, and I guess filming for you to see it isn't a good idea either, because you won't notice it. It's only visible with the naked eye, at a distance closer than 30 cm from the screen. It isn't also a problem of my eyes, because my wife is noticing it too.
Thank for any shared thought.
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Much better to send you're mobile to the store were you bought it. because as what i have know the problem is the LCD. that is what they called wire stripe or ribbon.... maybe that is the problem. Try it, there is noting to lose.....
I see that too, only on light (white) backgrounds. I thinks it's normal, you may ask your local Sony Ericsson customer service or a phone shop, but I don't think this is a production fault.
On a dark blackground it is purely invisible.
Try it with and without the Bravia engine enabled.
kirbygonzalo said:
Much better to send you're mobile to the store were you bought it. because as what i have know the problem is the LCD. that is what they called wire stripe or ribbon.... maybe that is the problem. Try it, there is noting to lose.....
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kirbygonzalo, thanks but even googling it I couldn't find anything about wire stripe or ribbon.
sdk16420 said:
I see that too, only on light (white) backgrounds. I thinks it's normal, you may ask your local Sony Ericsson customer service or a phone shop, but I don't think this is a production fault.
On a dark blackground it is purely invisible.
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sdk16420, thanks for sharing this, It is somehow a relief for me to know I'm not alone in this. Yet, I'll wait until next week to see if I can find more explanations, and then maybe I'll return it for a replace. It's especially bad for me, as I waited a lot to receive the silver one (a week or so), and I don't know if I can find another.
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Try it with and without the Bravia engine enabled.
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It doesn't depend on Bravia Engine, unfortunately. It was also the first thing that came into my mind, tried it several times, even with deactivating and rebooting, but the effect is persistent.
Again, it's only visible on light backgrounds, especially white and large ones (browser, gmail, etc). If you read this, please check yours also find some time to post a reply with the result. I would be very grateful.
Thanks!
I have the blue model but i can barely see that pattern with a screen flashlight (on full white) and i don't find it annoying at all in daily use of the phone.
You can check the screen from a new phone in a shop, to see if it looks like yours ... or you have a eagle eye
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I think I can see what you're talking about on my Red Neo but only if I max the screen brightness and look really closesly (like practically inserting the Neo into my eye). 99.99% of the time I don't notice a thing.
I just followed your description and found the same with my neo, so I think it the LCD design. Not an issue to me indeed.
Does anyone have another phone model (e.g. Samsung, HTC) with a LCD touchscreen? Is it also visible on other phones?
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Does anyone have another phone model (e.g. Samsung, HTC) with a LCD touchscreen? Is it also visible on other phones?
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I have a Samsung Galaxy S with SAMOLED, a HTC Desire with S-LCD and an Asus Transformer with IPS LCD, and they all have better screens. The Desire's is the most problem free, whereas the Galaxy S has problems with screen burn-in (or image retention, like some are identifying it, but for me it's still like the old good plasma screen burn-in ), and the Transformer's has light bleeding. But, like I said, when put aside, the Neo's looks the worst.
I don't know if you noticed it already, but it comes with another "feature" that is so annoying: it stays always on auto brightness regardless of the custom level set, maxing that automation on that custom level. It's so annoying, cause it's always too dark for me, and being a "feature" it doesn't have also a switch for that. At least it has for Bravia....
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I have a Samsung Galaxy S with SAMOLED, a HTC Desire with S-LCD and an Asus Transformer with IPS LCD, and they all have better screens. The Desire's is the most problem free, whereas the Galaxy S has problems with screen burn-in (or image retention, like some are identifying it, but for me it's still like the old good plasma screen burn-in ), and the Transformer's has light bleeding. But, like I said, when put aside, the Neo's looks the worst.
I don't know if you noticed it already, but it comes with another "feature" that is so annoying: it stays always on auto brightness regardless of the custom level set, maxing that automation on that custom level. It's so annoying, cause it's always too dark for me, and being a "feature" it doesn't have also a switch for that. At least it has for Bravia....
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When I put brightness on 100%, and hold my finger on the light sensor, I don't see the screen getting darker. What does annoy me is that you can't make the brightness less than about 30%. I use widgetsoid for brightness adjustment, and the screen will only become darker than 30% if I hold my finger on top of the sensor. That sucks. I I want to sacve energy, I have to hold my hand there, while using the phone.
I don't see why people need the brightness that high anyways, aside from in some games with small hard to see details I'm perfectly fine with my brightness set at just 30% or even just 20%...heck I can still use the phone when the brightness is completely off though that does get a little hard to see everything.
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I don't see why people need the brightness that high anyways, aside from in some games with small hard to see details I'm perfectly fine with my brightness set at just 30% or even just 20%...heck I can still use the phone when the brightness is completely off though that does get a little hard to see everything.
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I use it a lot outside, and its sunlight legibility isn't as good as SAMOLEDs or others, but that I knew from reviews before the buy. If it wasn't for the problem in this thread, I wouldn't be so harsh on it.
LE I se new posters here. Do you noticed the problem described in the first post? Does it bother you?
There are a few threads out there that have touched on this issue but none as far as I can see that deal with it directly.
The problem comes when you display a pure black screen in low light conditions. It shows that the AMOLED screen is actually grey / blotchy / cloudy instead of being pure black. Initially I thought mine had fingerprints or smudge marks on it, until I realised they were behind the screen. I guess I might have got a phone with a screen that was replaced, but the amount of people who have also reported a similar issue leads me to believe that it might be a manufacturing default? The blotches / clouds on the screen dont change, but exhibit a random formation as one would expect from a defect. It is also possible to see a very faint outline of light running along 3 edges of the screen.
Naturally this is a situation that doesnt reveal itself very often. But I as I use my phone a lot at night, especially reading ebooks or watching films, you start to notice it more and more where you have large expanses of empty black screen.
What I would like to know is how many people have got screens that exhibit this behaviour and how many of you have sent them in for service or had them replaced?
Is it a common issue and something that is to be expected from this type of screen?
You can test if yours has this problem using 'Screen Test' (its free) from the market place. It cycles through solid colours and patterns every time you touch the screen.
Just do it in bed with all the lights out P), give your eyes a few seconds to adjust and see what your screen looks like displaying pure black.
I'm very interested in everyone's experiences and any input or information you have.
Thanks everyone in advance!
ps: I came from a ZTE blade (OLED) which has a uniformly dark grey background when displaying pure black. I kinda expect this as it is a budget phone (albeit with a better than budget screen), but I didnt expect the SGS2 to be quite as bad.
Use "screen adjuster" from the market and set contrast to -60
i have never seen this black low light screen defect. but i am asking you people if any of you have noticed that ugly blurry shadows which are perfectly visible with low light, on white backgrounds especially. they look like marks above the actual display and make high quality images look like low resolution.. it is annoying as hell..
I have this. Noticed it one night when my phone was switched off and charging.
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I also have this, noticed the first evening i used the phone...you can notice this during the screen wake delay, or when in a call if you cover then uncover the proximity sensor...don't know if it's a defect but sure it bugs me, i know many won't notice it and will say they don't have this...i will add that if u look carefully to the screen dimmed at lowest brightness in a low light (buy not dark) environment, like early morning, you'll see some "interferences" behind the image, also the darker/yellower left half screen is still visible in these conditions
These things shouldn't be there in a 500€ phone
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Thanks for the feedback already.
@elmerendeiro: I have also noticed some 'interference' lines on my phone from time to time. I did a bit of research and it seems when your phone's brightness is set around 25 - 30% it picks up interference from either the wifi or 3g radio. Notch the brightness either above or below this level and you wont see it anymore.
I agree with you when you say we shouldn't be having these problems on such an expensive phone.
It bugs me too - if it wasnt for this i'd have to say it would be an amazing phone
Might give the Samsung service center a call and see if its something they're aware of and if they are replacing screens with this problem?
First off, I am not a technical guy. So this review is purely based hand on feel of this device. Since there are not much online reviews around, Hope this helps to address some concerns u may have before taking the plunge. Cheers!
Unboxing,
Nothing out of the ordinary..
Cheap headset, 850mah charger (WTF Sony..), usb cable. Some menu and paper.
Build quality,
Very pleased. Though plastic, it really doesn't feel cheap AT ALL. Everything is solid, no creaking whatsoever. Very comfortable in the hand. Especially when its not as wide as other 6' incher. One thing I notice.. Normally when we hold a phone, it will be more to the bottom. Even though the weight is evenly distribute, Its a tall phone. So, it can feel "top heavy" and tip over if u do not hold properly..I got the white version, I think it makes the bezel-less display stands out. Buttons are clicky enough, minus my camera button.. The flap covering the nano sim and sd slot is very very flimsy though but fits securely. Just dun play with it too often....
Screen,
Fantastic built quality. I cant see individual pixels even up-close. Good viewing angle. Bright, even in bright daylight with the sun shining directly on it. Screen has a oleophobic coating so it really smooooth. Very responsive to the touch.
One thing that seriously bug me though is the colour calibration. Its is extremely washed out by default. (I read there are 2 different supplier for the screen with different quality.) U will have to play with the white balance to really find the suitable colour combo. I tried playing the same video, photos on other devices to confirm my findings. Even after some tweaking, colours are still a little off as the contrast is slightly on the lower side. Seriously, I almost flipped when I first played the sample landscape video, Its the worst I have ever seen.. there's no colour at all.. everything looks pale. Hopefully an update will solve this issue. Another strange behaviour I notice is the white balance setting. After a reboot, white balance will go back to factory default. Only when u open up the white balance app, the settings are applied. The settings do sticks, but just not applied automatically after a reboot.
Camera, I am not a very trigger happy person...
This is one area I think Sony keeps screwing up.... Most photos on Superior Auto are overly overly overly exposed. Leaving washed out and pale colours. Details are there though. Noises fortunately are keep very low in dim light. Performance are pretty much the same on both the front and back camera. Manual mode produce more accurate pics with some manual adjustments. Ironically, I find that the stock google camera from playstore produce better results. So I think it is Sony that is messing up their processing algorithm.. I not tried tried video yet......
They have a dedicated 2 step camera button. I think mine is kinda faulty. Its difficult to press to focus, impossible to follow through to take the shot. I have to use my nails to really press the button. I have to check this out on the other sets in the store.
Battery,
So far pretty good.. I brought it home and charge up to full with a 1.5A charger. Took around 2.5-3 hrs from 30% to 100%, a little too long I thought. After around 8hrs up time, Wifi on, Lte on, 2hr 55min screen on time, I am at 49%. Pretty good I would say.
Phone,
Not thoroughly tested.... Fatal flaw..... see below.
Speaker,
Extremely loud! The single speaker is located at the bottom grill and its front facing. Hooray!! Sounds came out quite decent and clear without distortion even at max.. Its..really.. loud...
Performance,
Really snappy in real life usage. Have not experience any lag or slowdown yet.. I am currently using S4 i9506(a S800 version), Z ultra and Z3TC. This "mid-ranger" beats all of them with an average of 46000 on antutu 64bit test.... Average FPS in Epic Citadel is 43.3. Quadrant standard is at around 20000. Device stayed relatively cool throughout without abnormal overheating experienced.
GPS,
No Issue. Position lock on GMaps in less than 5 sec cold start.
So far, I am happy!
Just my 2cents worth.
Edit - After one day, I notice that the screen will flicker whenever its trying to load a video preview. Happens everytime in facebook and the default album app.
Another serious flaw is that when I make a phone call, the microphone is activated at the earpiece's side rather than at the mountpiece. Making hearing on the other end very soft and a giant pain in the ass... Ironically, on my virgin call, I found this out when I called Sony to complain about my camera button and they couldnt hear me properly.. Seriously... Sony WTF...?????
Factory reset solved the above problem.
F U Sony, after 2nd call, the mic problem is back!
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It's one of those features that I loved as soon as I heard about it in the original Moto X. I thought "that's real, useful, innovation." But the implementation in the 6P is poop. I can't reliably get the thing to work at all. As in, it works with movement, but I can't tell you how to reliably set it off. At all.
One other thing I've noticed is the screen is fully woken up by (I think) any touch on the screen when Active Display is on. Which seems very wasteful.
I'm guessing this is purely software because the sensors in the 6P are more than up to the task. I would also think it would be nice to have a setting to simply use the power button to, in essence, half wake the screen the way Active Display does. Then tapping on the notification will perform as normal.
Sound off if these issues are limited to just me. I actually hope they are.
Seems to work pretty well for me, i wouldn't say 100% but most times i pick up the phone, or take it out of my pocket.. it lights up
Laying down flat, picking up the device shows info.
Laying down flat, a little twist shows info.
Picking it up seems more reliable, but the nudge left or right when flat needs to be a decent "nudge". Otherwise it would be switching on constantly, which would be a waste.
And waking when touching any part of the screen when adisplay is showing is normal behavior.
Maybe when development moves ahead we'll have more control over it's behavior. I can see devs having fun with this feature.
+1 for the OP. I've been using the phone about a full day now and I've seen the active display like maybe 3 times, never when it really made any sense. Bummer.
Owned my phone less than 24hrs, installed a screen protector before using the phone. Ambient display want really working. I took the glass screen protector off, ambient display has come back. I'm wondering if the sensor is that sensitive.
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It's one of those features that I loved as soon as I heard about it in the original Moto X. I thought "that's real, useful, innovation." But the implementation in the 6P is poop. I can't reliably get the thing to work at all. As in, it works with movement, but I can't tell you how to reliably set it off. At all.
One other thing I've noticed is the screen is fully woken up by (I think) any touch on the screen when Active Display is on. Which seems very wasteful.
I'm guessing this is purely software because the sensors in the 6P are more than up to the task. I would also think it would be nice to have a setting to simply use the power button to, in essence, half wake the screen the way Active Display does. Then tapping on the notification will perform as normal.
Sound off if these issues are limited to just me. I actually hope they are.
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The touch layer and the actual display are 2 different pieces of hardware, you probably can't limit what portions of the touch layer are active, it's either on or off but that has nothing to do with what pixels are turned on. Hope that helps.
Just turned it on to test. Seems to light up when its supposed to. Turned it back off because I use android wear and don't need it.
My switching from Active Display (Moto X 2013) to Ambient Display (Nexus 6) was tough, but I got used to it. My 6p seems to not work as well or the same as my N6 did.
In the morning if I wake up before my alarm I would grab my N6 to activate the Ambient Display and see the clock, as well as my notifications (I get the weather in the morning) to see if there was anything urgent (text from a coworker, etc).
With my 6p when I pick it up, nothing seems to happen, or at least not as quickly as it did with my N6. N6 would show it on almost any movement, but the 6p requires it to be fully picked up all the way and almost vertical before it shows anything. Not sure if this is gyro or software related. If I pick it up from flat and rotate 90 degrees right (like it would be if it was sitting next to my bed), effectively making it vertical in landscape mode) nothing happens. If I hold it vertical in portrait, it shows me.
Just something to get used to, I guess.
Active display is rubbish on the 6P lol. That's coming from a user BTW, its just not reliable.
I agree with OP. I sat phone beside me and noticed it would light up when I got a new message. Then a few seconds after, without touching or moving it, it would light up again (no new anything happened), then it would light up again. Not sure what's waking it up, but quite annoying. Should absolutely be a software fix though.
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I agree with OP. I sat phone beside me and noticed it would light up when I got a new message. Then a few seconds after, without touching or moving it, it would light up again (no new anything happened), then it would light up again. Not sure what's waking it up, but quite annoying. Should absolutely be a software fix though.
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This is one thing that is reliable for me! Lol. When a notification comes through, it will activate once, then turn off, then activate again shortly after. I'm not sure if it's mean to do this or not, but at least it's reliable.
I should make it clear though that in my short time with the device, it is a definite top quality phone. The Active Display just seems to be, for me at least, a noticeable deviation from the very high bar set by the rest of the device. I did read other reviewers with issues, but then, how much faith can you put in a 48 hour review. I've had mine for almost a week and still feel like I'm just getting to know it.
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The touch layer and the actual display are 2 different pieces of hardware, you probably can't limit what portions of the touch layer are active, it's either on or off but that has nothing to do with what pixels are turned on. Hope that helps.
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True-ish. It is indeed possible to have a software solution that ignores certain touch events even though the hardware layer will consistently recognise touch events as long as the touch layer is active. If the Active Display becomes just another UI, then the notification icons/regions become touch targets and the rest of the screen can be written in software to not be touch targets and thus not respond to touch inputs.
I'm not sure what this method would look like in practice. So for example, when the Active Display has been activated, would there be a way to fully activate the screen by a touch method without touching a notification? Maybe a special region at the bottom of the screen? No idea. Just thinking out loud.
Coming from Active Display on the Droid Maxx, Ambient Display is very disappointing and actually leads to my emergency dialer engaging sometimes when the phone is in the pocket of looser pants. But it doesn't display when I would like it to, with just a nudge, like the Motorola implementation.
I've messed around with my dad's phone. He has the Moto X as well. I can literally just wave my hand in front of the screen and it comes on. I thought that was awesome. This phone does seem a bit inconvenient if I just want to quickly get the time or my notifications. Then again that's why I have a (smart)watch. Not sure where I'm going with this.
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I've figured it out! Feeling quite pleased with myself.
Based on the responses of others, I tried using it slightly differently. Now, I figured out two instances which regularly and reliably activate the Active Display.
The first is when the phone is flat on a surface, if I pick it up to be perpendicular to the floor, either portrait or landscape seems fine, it will activate. I believe this actually works from almost any starting point as long as the end point is the phone being upright and vertical.
The second is with it again starting flat on the table. Holding it by the bottom of the phone, moving it semi-quickly across the table, only about 5 cm seems needed, and then stopping quickly. This is a strange one which I only found when I bumped it into something on the table. I have a case so was not bothered testing this repeatedly.
I know correct my first statement. The feature is not poop. Well, not total poop. There are other instances that will activate it but I don't know how to do them reproducibly. If that's a word.
Hope this helps someone.
RoyJ said:
I've messed around with my dad's phone. He has the Moto X as well. I can literally just wave my hand in front of the screen and it comes on. I thought that was awesome. This phone does seem a bit inconvenient if I just want to quickly get the time or my notifications. Then again that's why I have a (smart)watch. Not sure where I'm going with this.
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Thats a pretty nifty idea, if its flat... give it a bit of " These aren't the droids you're looking for" to wake the screen.
Surely cant be that hard to do.........
..... i cant do it
My active display does nothing. Doesn't activate anything even shaking the phone.
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Thats a pretty nifty idea, if its flat... give it a bit of " These aren't the droids you're looking for" to wake the screen.
Surely cant be that hard to do.........
..... i cant do it
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The Moto X (2014 and after) does it as it has other sensors on the front, the 6P doesn't. However, the Moto X (2013) did it with Kitkat as it used the proximity sensor, which was less reliable but still effective, but this was removed in Lollipop. To be fair, ambient display doesn't work nearly as well as Moto's active display. I bet a dev could activate it via proximity sensor, should people want it enough.
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I've figured it out! Feeling quite pleased with myself.
Based on the responses of others, I tried using it slightly differently. Now, I figured out two instances which regularly and reliably activate the Active Display.
The first is when the phone is flat on a surface, if I pick it up to be perpendicular to the floor, either portrait or landscape seems fine, it will activate. I believe this actually works from almost any starting point as long as the end point is the phone being upright and vertical.
The second is with it again starting flat on the table. Holding it by the bottom of the phone, moving it semi-quickly across the table, only about 5 cm seems needed, and then stopping quickly. This is a strange one which I only found when I bumped it into something on the table. I have a case so was not bothered testing this repeatedly.
I know correct my first statement. The feature is not poop. Well, not total poop. There are other instances that will activate it but I don't know how to do them reproducibly. If that's a word.
Hope this helps someone.
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When laying flat - give it a quick twist - about 45 degrees - and back again.
I see most don't agree with the implementation, but think about it. If it was more sensitive, it would be waking all the time. That's definitely less battery efficient.
Once you get used to it, it's not bad at all, and I can see devs adding more control over how it works - like a sensitivity setting.
Hint hint devs!
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When laying flat - give it a quick twist - about 45 degrees - and back again.
I see most don't agree with the implementation, but think about it. If it was more sensitive, it would be waking all the time. That's definitely less battery efficient.
Once you get used to it, it's not bad at all, and I can see devs adding more control over how it works - like a sensitivity setting.
Hint hint devs!
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Tbh, the more I use it, the more I understand why it has this implementation and you are right, there would probably be a battery burden to make it more sensitive. I just wish they could have advertised it. Maybe a deep dive YouTube video or something.
What's up everyone, loving this k one but how about that screen bleed though!? Yes I know there is a similar post about this, but I want to make it only about the screen bleed issue and anyone experiencing same? I am about to go get my third exchange in less than ten days
I just checked and the only noticeable bleed I noticed was by the top left of the second screen but it's small. Main screen seems ok, to me at least.
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I just checked and the only noticeable bleed I noticed was by the top left of the second screen but it's small. Main screen seems ok, to me at least.
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That's true, and for me it's fairly noticable on the top left, along with under the two front facing cameras there is bleed as well for me. This is my second phone.
Could be like the g2x lol
It's definitely there in the top left corner, but there's no way it would bother me enough to go exchange it.
Same here, if only there was a way to invert the color from BLACK text on White backgroud, to WHITE Text on Black Background. The fade would not be noticeable.
I went through 2 V10s and ended up returning both and going back to my M8. Basically what I noticed was slot of backlight/screenbleed issues when in immersive mode of an app. Like a book reader for example. If the background color is white, up at the top of the screen there would be a gray/black hue leaking through.
Of course once you notice it, you see it in other applications that go into immersive mode. I think there is something happening where the 2 displays meet at the top when immersive mode kicks in.
It's mostly only noticeable when the screen is like 60% brightness or less.
Unfortunately that was a deal breaker for me, even though the rest of the phone was great.
What sucks is that I'm going to have to fight a restocking fee for this problem even though t-mobile store reps saw the problem as well
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gustav30 said:
I went through 2 V10s and ended up returning both and going back to my M8. Basically what I noticed was slot of backlight/screenbleed issues when in immersive mode of an app. Like a book reader for example. If the background color is white, up at the top of the screen there would be a gray/black hue leaking through.
Of course once you notice it, you see it in other applications that go into immersive mode. I think there is something happening where the 2 displays meet at the top when immersive mode kicks in.
It's mostly only noticeable when the screen is like 60% brightness or less.
Unfortunately that was a deal breaker for me, even though the rest of the phone was great.
What sucks is that I'm going to have to fight a restocking fee for this problem even though t-mobile store reps saw the problem as well
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I was thinking in maybe doing the same but getting maybe the HTC m9 or anything other than the Samsungs. Hate them. I will be going today to get my third new exchange since I still have seven more days left. Gets very annoying all this screen bleed issues. This phone is so beast in all other aspects. Camera, sound quality, and love the software but not as much to stock like nexus line.
I have a post here with dead pixels issues, the replacement T-Mo sent me not only had dead pixels as well, but a terrible bleed where the two displays meet. It is only noticeable when you look at the display from an angle, for example phone on the table and you have a light background you see a dark spot there, once I noticed that its driving me crazy. LG quality control is a POS IMO. This phone rocks, but is plagued by stupid QC issues.
There is nothing you can do. All phones will have the "second screen bleed" due to how it's designed.
There are two backlights. First is the normal backlight that lights up the entire display (there is no "second screen" - it's a single LCD panel). Then, there's the secondary backlight - a single white LED on the left edge of the "second screen." This single secondary backlight LED is injecting light through the left edge of the second screen and is not attached to the main backlight diffuser, which is why it lights the screen so unevenly. There are certain times when that secondary LED is on and when it is off. When it is on, it adds extra light near the left edge of the screen, which makes the notifications in that area brighter.
Try this. Turn on the Camera app and observe the buttons that appear on the second screen. Notice that the left-most (or bottom, if you hold it horizontally) button is NOT brighter at all? That's because the second backlight turns off when the camera app is running, and you only see the main screen backlight, which is even. Exit the camera app and you'll see the second backlight turn on and the bleed return. Open the camera app again and you'll see the bleed disappear, as the second backlight turns off.
Do another test. Hold the phone at an angle so the bleed from the second backlight is clearly visible, then go into the settings for the second screen, and turn it off while watching the left-most edge of the second screen - you'll see the "bleed" suddenly disappear, because the secondary backlight turns off (even though the main backlight is on). Turn the second screen back on while watching the left edge, and you'll see the bleed come back as the secondary backlight turns back on.
Yet another way to see it - power off the phone, then power it on while watching the left edge of the second screen. During initial boot, it will look perfectly even, no bleed, because the secondary backlight is off. But half-way through the boot process, the secondary backlight turns on, and you see "bleed."
Now, when the main screen is off, the ONLY thing lighting the second screen is the secondary backlight, so ALL you see is bleed (since the main backlight is off) which looks horrible.
The reason you don't see bleed at all in TWRP is because TWRP doesn't know that there is a second backlight and therefore it doesn't turn it on, since it doesn't know how.
To get rid of the "brighter left side" problem when the main screen is on, all LG has to do is issue a software update that turns off the secondary backlight when the main screen is on - I'm surprised they overlooked this obvious problem.
And here's the kicker - you know why you don't see the second screen bleed on the demo units in stores? Because the Retail Mode app turns the secondary backlight off, just like the camera app.
here's my issue, called again to T/mo and they're sending another RMA..Apart from that am having a defective proximity sensor...will update when the "new" phone arrive
That's not screen bleed. That's where the edge of the lcd panel meets the edge of the bezel around the front facing cameras. It's an unavoidable shadow.
I'm really picky about my phones, especially the screens, but I think you're honestly expecting the impossible. They can't NOT make a shadow there, given the arrangement of the secondary screen backlight and the camera bezel.
If that's your biggest complaint about this phone and the screen, then I think you're being too picky.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
That's not screen bleed. That's where the edge of the lcd panel meets the edge of the bezel around the front facing cameras. It's an unavoidable shadow.
I'm really picky about my phones, especially the screens, but I think you're honestly expecting the impossible. They can't NOT make a shadow there, given the arrangement of the secondary screen backlight and the camera bezel.
If that's your biggest complaint about this phone and the screen, then I think you're being too picky.
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I know am picky, we all should be with a $600+ smartphone, in the highest end gamma quality control must be precise. Apart from that I already posted a dead pixels thread and this one has dead pixels too...take a magnifying glass crank the brightness to 100% and watch very carefully in a dark, this is my second V10 and a third is on the way
Now dead Pixels are not acceptable. But that shadow will always be there no how many times you exchange it.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
Now dead Pixels are not acceptable. But that shadow will always be there no how many times you exchange it.
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That shadow was not there on the last phone and its really annoying cause it distorts any solid color that's displayed there, also it's only a "shadow" with light content, it's a bright spot with dark content. It looks worse in real life than it does in pictures
ZiCott said:
Same here, if only there was a way to invert the color from BLACK text on White backgroud, to WHITE Text on Black Background. The fade would not be noticeable.
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Search for " invert" inside the phones settings [emoji6]
Or go to Accessibility/Vison
It makes the pull down menu dam ulghee althou the rest looks great. [emoji53]
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H961...nothing for specific 2nd screen inversion
ǀcey said:
Search for " invert" inside the phones settings [emoji6]
Or go to Accessibility/Vison
It makes the pull down menu dam ulghee althou the rest looks great. [emoji53]
sent with Hugz from my new fully stock, non-rooted VZW LG V10 VS990 which an old faithful still working Rezound helped me to afford to get
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Sorry, I dont see it. I have H961N, and there isnt an option to invert 2nd screen colors on Stock ROM
ZiCott said:
Sorry, I dont see it. I have H961N, and there isnt an option to invert 2nd screen colors on Stock ROM
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Gross
That means our models r very radically different.
way much more of an extent than I have been realizing.
Or...u have an adware prob or it's hidden
I think when it comes down to basics...each flavor has it's own heart.
Yet..No matter the carrier and especially when it's a basic LG/LGE setting....it shuld b on all.
Forgive my lack of correct wording....
I bet if u can't see it ..the ..invert....setting maybe just hidden
Again...u r stock?
K now i think....
You should Try searching for "invert" with QuickShortcutMaker app https://play.google.com/store/apps/...G6PnXP4eFRw4Tw9vg&sig2=ujB0W4bySmI1c5Qzvof0KA
No I'm not pushing the app...I'm hoping it may enabling u to see the setting.
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arman3986 said:
That shadow was not there on the last phone and its really annoying cause it distorts any solid color that's displayed there, also it's only a "shadow" with light content, it's a bright spot with dark content. It looks worse in real life than it does in pictures
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You need to take use of their 3 RMA in 90 day policy and switch out from the V10 than.
gustav30 said:
I went through 2 V10s and ended up returning both and going back to my M8. Basically what I noticed was slot of backlight/screenbleed issues when in immersive mode of an app. Like a book reader for example. If the background color is white, up at the top of the screen there would be a gray/black hue leaking through.
Of course once you notice it, you see it in other applications that go into immersive mode. I think there is something happening where the 2 displays meet at the top when immersive mode kicks in.
It's mostly only noticeable when the screen is like 60% brightness or less.
Unfortunately that was a deal breaker for me, even though the rest of the phone was great.
What sucks is that I'm going to have to fight a restocking fee for this problem even though t-mobile store reps saw the problem as well
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I noticed the same thing on mine. I hope they will fix it with a software update. I've noticed that it doesn't seem to happen as long as the second screen is active.