It's one of those features that I loved as soon as I heard about it in the original Moto X. I thought "that's real, useful, innovation." But the implementation in the 6P is poop. I can't reliably get the thing to work at all. As in, it works with movement, but I can't tell you how to reliably set it off. At all.
One other thing I've noticed is the screen is fully woken up by (I think) any touch on the screen when Active Display is on. Which seems very wasteful.
I'm guessing this is purely software because the sensors in the 6P are more than up to the task. I would also think it would be nice to have a setting to simply use the power button to, in essence, half wake the screen the way Active Display does. Then tapping on the notification will perform as normal.
Sound off if these issues are limited to just me. I actually hope they are.
Seems to work pretty well for me, i wouldn't say 100% but most times i pick up the phone, or take it out of my pocket.. it lights up
Laying down flat, picking up the device shows info.
Laying down flat, a little twist shows info.
Picking it up seems more reliable, but the nudge left or right when flat needs to be a decent "nudge". Otherwise it would be switching on constantly, which would be a waste.
And waking when touching any part of the screen when adisplay is showing is normal behavior.
Maybe when development moves ahead we'll have more control over it's behavior. I can see devs having fun with this feature.
+1 for the OP. I've been using the phone about a full day now and I've seen the active display like maybe 3 times, never when it really made any sense. Bummer.
Owned my phone less than 24hrs, installed a screen protector before using the phone. Ambient display want really working. I took the glass screen protector off, ambient display has come back. I'm wondering if the sensor is that sensitive.
Soulfulgrey said:
It's one of those features that I loved as soon as I heard about it in the original Moto X. I thought "that's real, useful, innovation." But the implementation in the 6P is poop. I can't reliably get the thing to work at all. As in, it works with movement, but I can't tell you how to reliably set it off. At all.
One other thing I've noticed is the screen is fully woken up by (I think) any touch on the screen when Active Display is on. Which seems very wasteful.
I'm guessing this is purely software because the sensors in the 6P are more than up to the task. I would also think it would be nice to have a setting to simply use the power button to, in essence, half wake the screen the way Active Display does. Then tapping on the notification will perform as normal.
Sound off if these issues are limited to just me. I actually hope they are.
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The touch layer and the actual display are 2 different pieces of hardware, you probably can't limit what portions of the touch layer are active, it's either on or off but that has nothing to do with what pixels are turned on. Hope that helps.
Just turned it on to test. Seems to light up when its supposed to. Turned it back off because I use android wear and don't need it.
My switching from Active Display (Moto X 2013) to Ambient Display (Nexus 6) was tough, but I got used to it. My 6p seems to not work as well or the same as my N6 did.
In the morning if I wake up before my alarm I would grab my N6 to activate the Ambient Display and see the clock, as well as my notifications (I get the weather in the morning) to see if there was anything urgent (text from a coworker, etc).
With my 6p when I pick it up, nothing seems to happen, or at least not as quickly as it did with my N6. N6 would show it on almost any movement, but the 6p requires it to be fully picked up all the way and almost vertical before it shows anything. Not sure if this is gyro or software related. If I pick it up from flat and rotate 90 degrees right (like it would be if it was sitting next to my bed), effectively making it vertical in landscape mode) nothing happens. If I hold it vertical in portrait, it shows me.
Just something to get used to, I guess.
Active display is rubbish on the 6P lol. That's coming from a user BTW, its just not reliable.
I agree with OP. I sat phone beside me and noticed it would light up when I got a new message. Then a few seconds after, without touching or moving it, it would light up again (no new anything happened), then it would light up again. Not sure what's waking it up, but quite annoying. Should absolutely be a software fix though.
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I agree with OP. I sat phone beside me and noticed it would light up when I got a new message. Then a few seconds after, without touching or moving it, it would light up again (no new anything happened), then it would light up again. Not sure what's waking it up, but quite annoying. Should absolutely be a software fix though.
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This is one thing that is reliable for me! Lol. When a notification comes through, it will activate once, then turn off, then activate again shortly after. I'm not sure if it's mean to do this or not, but at least it's reliable.
I should make it clear though that in my short time with the device, it is a definite top quality phone. The Active Display just seems to be, for me at least, a noticeable deviation from the very high bar set by the rest of the device. I did read other reviewers with issues, but then, how much faith can you put in a 48 hour review. I've had mine for almost a week and still feel like I'm just getting to know it.
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The touch layer and the actual display are 2 different pieces of hardware, you probably can't limit what portions of the touch layer are active, it's either on or off but that has nothing to do with what pixels are turned on. Hope that helps.
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True-ish. It is indeed possible to have a software solution that ignores certain touch events even though the hardware layer will consistently recognise touch events as long as the touch layer is active. If the Active Display becomes just another UI, then the notification icons/regions become touch targets and the rest of the screen can be written in software to not be touch targets and thus not respond to touch inputs.
I'm not sure what this method would look like in practice. So for example, when the Active Display has been activated, would there be a way to fully activate the screen by a touch method without touching a notification? Maybe a special region at the bottom of the screen? No idea. Just thinking out loud.
Coming from Active Display on the Droid Maxx, Ambient Display is very disappointing and actually leads to my emergency dialer engaging sometimes when the phone is in the pocket of looser pants. But it doesn't display when I would like it to, with just a nudge, like the Motorola implementation.
I've messed around with my dad's phone. He has the Moto X as well. I can literally just wave my hand in front of the screen and it comes on. I thought that was awesome. This phone does seem a bit inconvenient if I just want to quickly get the time or my notifications. Then again that's why I have a (smart)watch. Not sure where I'm going with this.
Good talk....
I've figured it out! Feeling quite pleased with myself.
Based on the responses of others, I tried using it slightly differently. Now, I figured out two instances which regularly and reliably activate the Active Display.
The first is when the phone is flat on a surface, if I pick it up to be perpendicular to the floor, either portrait or landscape seems fine, it will activate. I believe this actually works from almost any starting point as long as the end point is the phone being upright and vertical.
The second is with it again starting flat on the table. Holding it by the bottom of the phone, moving it semi-quickly across the table, only about 5 cm seems needed, and then stopping quickly. This is a strange one which I only found when I bumped it into something on the table. I have a case so was not bothered testing this repeatedly.
I know correct my first statement. The feature is not poop. Well, not total poop. There are other instances that will activate it but I don't know how to do them reproducibly. If that's a word.
Hope this helps someone.
RoyJ said:
I've messed around with my dad's phone. He has the Moto X as well. I can literally just wave my hand in front of the screen and it comes on. I thought that was awesome. This phone does seem a bit inconvenient if I just want to quickly get the time or my notifications. Then again that's why I have a (smart)watch. Not sure where I'm going with this.
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Thats a pretty nifty idea, if its flat... give it a bit of " These aren't the droids you're looking for" to wake the screen.
Surely cant be that hard to do.........
..... i cant do it
My active display does nothing. Doesn't activate anything even shaking the phone.
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Thats a pretty nifty idea, if its flat... give it a bit of " These aren't the droids you're looking for" to wake the screen.
Surely cant be that hard to do.........
..... i cant do it
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The Moto X (2014 and after) does it as it has other sensors on the front, the 6P doesn't. However, the Moto X (2013) did it with Kitkat as it used the proximity sensor, which was less reliable but still effective, but this was removed in Lollipop. To be fair, ambient display doesn't work nearly as well as Moto's active display. I bet a dev could activate it via proximity sensor, should people want it enough.
Soulfulgrey said:
I've figured it out! Feeling quite pleased with myself.
Based on the responses of others, I tried using it slightly differently. Now, I figured out two instances which regularly and reliably activate the Active Display.
The first is when the phone is flat on a surface, if I pick it up to be perpendicular to the floor, either portrait or landscape seems fine, it will activate. I believe this actually works from almost any starting point as long as the end point is the phone being upright and vertical.
The second is with it again starting flat on the table. Holding it by the bottom of the phone, moving it semi-quickly across the table, only about 5 cm seems needed, and then stopping quickly. This is a strange one which I only found when I bumped it into something on the table. I have a case so was not bothered testing this repeatedly.
I know correct my first statement. The feature is not poop. Well, not total poop. There are other instances that will activate it but I don't know how to do them reproducibly. If that's a word.
Hope this helps someone.
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When laying flat - give it a quick twist - about 45 degrees - and back again.
I see most don't agree with the implementation, but think about it. If it was more sensitive, it would be waking all the time. That's definitely less battery efficient.
Once you get used to it, it's not bad at all, and I can see devs adding more control over how it works - like a sensitivity setting.
Hint hint devs!
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When laying flat - give it a quick twist - about 45 degrees - and back again.
I see most don't agree with the implementation, but think about it. If it was more sensitive, it would be waking all the time. That's definitely less battery efficient.
Once you get used to it, it's not bad at all, and I can see devs adding more control over how it works - like a sensitivity setting.
Hint hint devs!
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Tbh, the more I use it, the more I understand why it has this implementation and you are right, there would probably be a battery burden to make it more sensitive. I just wish they could have advertised it. Maybe a deep dive YouTube video or something.
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Do you like the light Sensor on Nexus?
I didn't like it.
It's a very good feature, but it works strange.
It is slow in dimming and took already not enough light to the display.
Nexusdisplay is dark dark dark...
Does anybody know, how to tweak this sensor?
Or am I the only one who dislike it very much?
I just set my brightness manually. Done deal.
Perfect.
In the Night I'll put my sunglasses on or at a sunny day I take my nexus blind...
Wherefor is the sensor if it don't work proper?
There must be some settings for...
I think the light sensor works great but it would be even better if we can customize it a little bit. Something like scale up the screen brightness for each level of external light.
Or something like auto lock when it is totally dark (you put it into your pocket?).....but that would cause trouble if you want to use your phone in the theater
I think the light sensor is terrible. I have tried everything but it still seems very finicky on when it will work properly. I regularly go from low light to sunny outdoors and having the feature would properly would be awesome, especially since it worked fine on my last 2 phones and they arent even close to being a superphone.
Trying to make it transition smoother is something I've been meaning to try. The settings for this are in the source tree at frameworks/base/core/res/res/values/config.xml (I override this in my passion vendor overlay). You can tweak the values and rebuild framework-res to try it out.
oh cyanogen, You Are GOD!
Where we can find it?
I've searched the whole framework.
ha he meant the source tree for framework provided by google. not in the framework-res inside of the zip of the rom you are using.
two things I noticed about it:
1 It dims and brightens too quick, it should take an average light level over a longer time period
2 Our fluorescent lights in the office at work seem to confuse it, so that could mean that the lens is too focussed and if you hit one of the lights it goes too bright, miss and it goes too dim as you move around and/or the wavelength of the lights confuse it - though this problem may be more bearable if #1 above is fixed.
I gave up using the sensor. I use the power strip. the 3 settings work great for me.
Ssantos6981 said:
I gave up using the sensor. I use the power strip. the 3 settings work great for me.
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Yea I mean why should it work? We only paid $530 for it ;/
spyz88 said:
Yea I mean why should it work? We only paid $530 for it ;/
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Yes, these words are soooo true! They're absolut true.
And: It's not HTCs first device with such a sensor. It's not the first android Handset with such an sensor.
I can't understand, why they did such a thing!
@spyz88: I'll pray your words every time if i see this dumb dimming and flickering.
I too have noticed this problem, and have such, turned it off. Disappointing, yeah.
I hope someone can come up with some good idea/settings, to fix this like google should be doing already :/....
Thanks people
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Yea I mean why should it work? We only paid $530 for it ;/
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You can pay £30,000 for a car and things still don't work properly.
Nature of the beast I'm afraid.
OK, we can put our heads down in the sand or we can try to make us happier with it.
Does anybody tells google/htc that this is crap?
Probably we can make it on our own.
yeah it doesn't work very well. Maybe sensitivity needs to be lowered somehow
I hate to say this because I always talk crap about the iphone, but the iphone does have a better way to auto dim the screen with the sensor.
I thought I had a problem because from the get go I installed a screen protector that lays over the sensor, but now I see that other people have the same issue.
It is funny because I can have the phone in one place, but if I change the angle the screen will dim or brighten.
the worst thing is , it comes in the way of reading constantly on your phone , and after two to three cycles of dim/bright , you would eventually give up and disable it. disappointing .
but i think the problem is it samples ambient light with long interval , and then average it in a way that is always behind what it should be
This has bothered me as well and I've been looking for an easy way to fix it.
It seems that the light sensor (or its driver?) is to sensitive or inaccurate. The reported LUX value can fluctuate a lot in constant surrounding light. There is also the possibility that one waves a hand in front of the sensor which can produce undesired brightness changes etc.
My idea:
PowerManagerService.java (frameworks/base/services/java/com/android/server) listens for light sensor changes with a SensorEventListener. Either directly or after (config_lightSensorWarmupTime) a method called lightSensorChangedLocked is called with the sensor value as parameter. This method sets the brightness.
Here we can add some low pass filtering to the sensor value before calling lightSensorChangedLocked. Maybe a simple average of the last 5 values or so will suffice? Maybe take time into consideration as well. Say average 5 or all values received in the last 20 seconds or so. There sure are room for improvements of my suggestions.
My message is that the issue is perfectly fixable and PowerManagerService.java is the file to fix it in.
Updated 9/18/2012
I started this post intending to post a few gripes about the Titan after using it for only 24 hours. I thought it was only fair to toss in some things that I like about the Titan. After typing it all out, this is just short of a full review! I'll add to these lists as I continue to use the phone.
Caveats:
This is my second Windows Phone, so I'm being much harder on it than I was on my Focus. On the other hand, aside from the ever-present accidental hits of the capacative buttons, I never really had a problem with my Focus anyway.
This is, ultimately, a considerable upgrade from my Focus. It just feels higher quality build-wise, I love the heft, the massive screen is a dream come true, and the whole package isn't THAT much bigger than my Focus. Further, the software runs noticeably faster. This is the best phone I have ever owned, period.
Finally, I got this from AT&T for one freakin' penny, so I have no room to complain anyway.
Gripes:
CALL QUALITY: I haven't had consistent call quality. I've been told a few times that I sound muffled, but the other party is sometimes on a headset. Jury's still out on this one, as I'm not sure if it's the Titan or the other parties' handsets. UPDATE (12/12): I wanted to give it a few more chances before reporting this problem, but after two weeks I can confirm that the outgoing call quality leaves an awful lot to be desired. It doesn't seem to be as bad as some are reporting (and returning their Titans for), but I'm consistently told that I'm hard to hear on the other end. It may be due to some combination of the way I'm holding it or where I'm holding it, but whether it's up to my ear, on speakerphone or through the [wired] headset, I'm told I'm muffled. CRAPPYPANTS. UPDATE (9/18/12): As you can see from my grin list, I've never had a signal issue with WiFi or cellular service. Unfortunately, the call quality problem never EVER resolved. It's extremely difficult for people to hear me, and I need to repeat myself several times during any given conversation. It was actually made slightly worse, according to some, after I added the simple silicone case, but that doesn't mean it wasn't horrendous before. Worse yet, I recommended the Titan to my dad when it went on sale for a penny. Now I can't understand him and he can't understand me. "What?" "What?" "What?" "What?" GRRR THIS IS LITERALLY THE LAST OUTSTANDING, ANNOYING ISSUE I HAVE WITH THIS PHONE!
KEYBOARD LAG: There is considerable lag each and every time I use the keyboard. This is really weird, but the first key I tap doesn't do anything, and then it always "catches up" right after I type the next key. Subsequent key presses are fine. I know I'm a fast typer, and it only happens on the first key, but it's still annoying. UPDATE (12/5): This behavior has disappeared, presumably after the device has been restarted once or twice over the past few days. UPDATE (12/20): This behavior is BACK, even noticeable on the code input on my lockscreen—I'll push the first two digits before it "catches up." UPDATE (9/18/12): I no longer notice any keyboard lag. Unfortunately, the lock screen lag continues to be an issue.
RANDOM RESTART: The Titan restarted itself when I plugged it in to charge. (This was just 5 minutes ago, and it killed my podcast. Curses.) UPDATE (12/20): This only happened once and hasn't happened since! UPDATE (9/18/12): Like all Windows Phones, stability remains amazing. I'll have a random restart like every 6-8 weeks max. That said, as happy as I am with the stability, there was one crash way back in January that wiped out my phone completely and required a factory reset. I have no idea what caused it, and it hasn't happened again, but it was really sad. Thankfully my WiFi backup ensured I didn't lose any photos or video!
VOLUME LEVEL: The volume is too loud. I was excited that the Titan was going to have higher volume than the Focus, but it never occurred to me that that meant the lowest volume would be louder too. When I want to listen to something quietly through the speaker, 1 is too loud. I actually have to partially cover the speaker grille if I want it at a discrete level. When it comes to listening to things over the headset, things sound pretty good anywhere under 10, but if I'm listening to things in the quiet of my bedroom before falling asleep, even 1 is too loud. I just answered with my wired headset for the first time 2 minute ago and my wife's voice just about blew out my eardrums because the in-call volume was set to 10. Lowered it to 1, and it was tolerable, but I wish I could lower it further. UPDATE (12/5): Put a Christmas channel on Slacker yesterday and propped up the phone on a table where me and family were playing board games. It wasn't pristine sound, but it was sufficiently loud and clear to add to our ambiance. UPDATE (12/20): Volume is great for the AUX input in my car. Sound is pristine. UPDATE (9/18/12): The volume is great through the speaker, the few rare times I use it, but the lowest setting is still too loud, either through headphones or through the speaker. There are times that I turn a caller down all the way and they're still hurting my ears; and these aren't folks with loud voices either.
HEADSET: The AT&T version did not come with a wired headset. CHEAPSKATES! UPDATE (9/18/12): Still no headset. Thank goodness for the Focus headset.
VIBRATE: Maybe it's because this device is so much heavier, but the vibrate on this phone is weak—not nearly as strong as it was on the Focus. As I pretty much only use two settings, silent and vibrate, this is a huge problem for me. I've already missed a half dozen calls because the phone was in my pocket on vibrate, which I should have felt. UPDATE (12/20): This is still a huge issue for me, and I miss phone calls like crazy because I don't always feel the vibrate. UPDATE (9/18/12): Still an issue. I've just gotten used to missing calls.
ATTENTIVE PHONE: Trying out Attentive Phone, I've had a few issues. Flipping the phone over sometimes turns on the speaker, sometimes doesn't. Twice now, however, picking it from face down with speaker on doesn't just turn the speaker off but actually hangs up on the person I'm talking to! UPDATE (12/20): From what I can tell, Attentive Phone also causes the phone to vibrate for an extended length of time while in your pocket (or ring louder). This alleviates my gripe about vibrate (above), but the first few times it happened I thought, "oh crap, my phone is screwing up." UPDATE (9/18/12): I forgot it even had these features. Guess I'll have to try them out again.
Grins:
SPEED: Keyboard lag, screen sensitivity, and random freezes aside, this thing screams. I'm not seeing any software lag. I first noticed it in the camera app, when I took a picture and it was ready to take another picture FAR faster than my Focus would have been.
CAMERA: Speaking of the camera, it is fantastic. I'd say less saturation than my Focus, but again that's probably chalked up to the screen (see above). The extras HTC put in are awesome, and a large part of why I chose this phone (because my point-and-shoot is all but dead, and I intend for this phone to take its place, as my Focus did before it). UPDATE (12/20): Have taken some stunning shots with this camera, but I admittedly took some amazing shots with the Focus too. Please let me know if you'd like me to post any.
CONNECTION SPEEDS: Download speeds seem fine (yay "4G!"), Wi-Fi works well.
TEXT/FONTS/PIXELLATION: I am not experiencing jagged graphics/text or any visible pixellation, even on Internet Explorer with zoomed-out pages (as some have reported). Others have said that it's the icons at the bottom of apps that break down—if you look closely, maybe, but that's a real stretch. I recently noticed how crappy an app icon looked on gMaps, but since all the other apps' icons look fine, I have to pin that on the developer.
GLASS: I'm guessing that the verdict is that this has hardened glass, but not Gorilla Glass. I'm still not even clear what my Focus had, but as long as it's as hardy as my Focus, I'll be happy. After 8 months, my Focus screen was barely scratched. This screen still seems okay, but I'm keeping my eye on it. I've never had a single good experience with screen protectors. UPDATE (12/20): After 3 weeks of use, I've scoured the device and cannot find a single scratch, scrape, or any other kind of damage. It don't have a case or screen protector, and it either lives in my jeans pocket or on my desk in front of me.
STORAGE: Don't care about the storage issues. 16GB (aka 12.5GB) is plenty for me, and Live Mesh keeps everything synced between my computers, so I don't want/need to use this thing as a flash drive. If preventing expandable memory helps speed up the phone by locking down the file system and allowing faster memory, I'm all for it. UPDATE (12/20): Loaded up 1500 Christmas songs for a trip alongside my typical two-dozen podcasts. Phone had no problems.
CAPACITIVE BUTTONS: I haven't experienced nearly as many accidental hits of the capacitive buttons as I did on my Focus. I'm not sure if it's the Titan's size or the button placement, but this is a huge relief.
MANGO: Mango rocks. I'd laundered my Focus before Mango came out, so I've had to watch my wife NOT use all of Mango's cool new features on her Focus. Now that I have it, I'm very, very happy. "Multitasking" is great, and I'm a Contact Group addict. I hope they create App Groups soon.
HTC APPS: Very impressed by HTCs app offering. Makes Samsung's app collection look paltry.
BUILD QUALITY: Just to reiterate and buttons aside, the build is fantastic. I love the heft, I love the metal, I love how the screen and innards sit "inside" the back cover. UPDATE (12/12): Really getting used to the size, heft and materials. Feels great and familiar!
Grins formerly known as Gripes:
SIZE: One-handed operation is difficult, especially reaching for things on the far side of the screen with my thumb. Fine, I have smallish hands and totally expected this. Still annoying. UPDATE (12/12): Really getting used to the size, heft and materials. Feels great and familiar!
GHOSTING: Ghosting is an issue, at least for me. I don't think I'll notice it much, but if you look for it it's very noticeable. Some are saying the text "blurs," but I'm definitely thinking this is genuinely ghosting, as I'm seeing a white "trail" behind my text as I scroll. UPDATE (12/20): As expected, I do not notice this AT ALL.
SCREEN RESPONSIVENESS: Screen is not as sensitive/responsive as my Focus. The surface is smooth, but just seems the tiniest bit "stickier" than the Focus; I'll have to swipe or tap more than once to do one thing more often than I did on the Focus.UPDATE (12/20): I guess I've just adapted, because I'm noticing this less and less.
BUTTONS: The buttons suck. They are all far too flush. Like many reviewers have said, it's all but impossible to feel your way to the power button, and volume rocker isn't much better. UPDATE (12/5): I have to reiterate my complaints about the buttons. On my Focus, I could easily change the in-call volume with my thumb while the phone was held up to my ear. Now I'm using the tips of my fingers to frantically search for a volume rocker I can't feel. I'm still not used to the power button and not sure I ever will be. It's also worth noting that because this phone has so much front "real estate," it's actually tough finding the exact millimeter where the speaker is against your ear.UPDATE (9/18/12): I put a simple case on my phone several months ago, and although the white has turned a dingy yellow, it has raised areas where the buttons are. The buttons are easier to find and push, so I've had no problems since!
BATTERY: A 1950mah battery of the same size has already been found, which is only annoying because it means someone skimped. Right now the Titan seems to have a far shorter battery life than my Focus, but it's brand new, so I've been using it like crazy and know that this isn't a fair assessment! UPDATE (12/5): I have no hard numbers to back this up, but I'm disappointed with the battery thus far. The Focus seemed to last longer, and my WinMo phone from a year ago lasted much longer. I'll have to tweak some things to see if that improves anything. UPDATE (12/20): Two weeks later and I'm doing a complete 180 on the battery. Maybe it's the conditioning or the fact that I'm using it less since it is no longer "new," but this thing lasts forever. I took a five hour car ride and played Zune through my car speakers the whole time and it was only down to seventy-something from a full charge! My wife's Focus dies with much less use. UPDATE (9/18/12): Batter life is better than ever. Occasionally I'll turn on battery saver right away after a full charge if I need my phone to work for a long, long time, or I put airplane mode on if I'll be in a low signal area. The bottom line is that this thing, big screen and all, seems to last forever.
SCREEN COLORS: The only thing I'd heard about the LCD screen was the the blacks weren't as black as the AMOLED screens. True, but that's NOT the only thing different. Overall, the screen is considerably less saturated than my Focus. Not a deal killer, and I might grow to even prefer the more subtle colors, but I just wanted to point it out. Regardless, it is far preferable to the blue tint of the whites on the Focus S screen. UPDATE (12/20): As predicted, I have come to MUCH prefer the color on my Titan to my oversaturated Focus.
FREEZING: I've also noticed a few freeze-ups. Last night the HTC Flashlight app stopped responding all of a sudden; I think I just hit the power button twice and that brought it back. Luckily, none of the freeze-ups have required a restart (and no, these aren't SRS-related freeze-ups). UPDATE (12/20): This only happened once and hasn't happened since!
WINDOWS LOGO LED: Totally forgot this stupid little cosmetic gripe: whatever LED is behind the Windows logo is a smidge too close to the bottom right panel of said window. It's brighter than the other three quadrants, almost to the point of seeing the LED itself. Does that make sense? Maybe it's just my unit, but it's definitely noticeable and off-putting…just the sort of thing that will nag me for the next two years. UPDATE (12/20): Truly this is just a niggle. It's only apparent in low-light conditions, and I just don't notice it any more.
Just got mine today, though I've been using WP7 on my HD2 lately.
I'm sure I'll get used to the buttons, I have had trouble finding the volume keys but I like where they are, at the thumb. The power button was awkward, but in less than a few hours I'm used to it. My hands are small, and I have accidentally activated the search button with my thumb joint while reaching across with my thumb. Already dropped it in the car :/, minor fall, no scrapes or scuffs anywhere.
My only issues so far have been software; I have the zune music pass, I used the dj function and handed it to my sister. It would play 40 seconds of each song before going to the next one. Works fine after a reboot. Then, when using Maps/GPS navigation, it wouldn't advance to the next step automatically; I had to manually push each step... though I might not be using it right. I did press 'start' but it refused to automatically advance as I reached each turn.
I know it's not Super Amoled, but side by side with my HD2 and wow, it's like I've never seen colors before! Blacks are pleasantly black, and I don't have a samsung phone on hand to compare it to, but to my memory this is nearly as good as my friend's samsung captivate.
I agree that even the lowest volume setting is too loud, though I haven't changed my SRS settings yet, as I have had no lag, ever, yet. Internet is fine, no issues here in both wifi and 4G. I hope that the rumors of the focus s having faster speeds are false...
Speaking of 4G, is it actually 4G or did they rebrand H as 4G? I think it is faster, but then again the titan could just have better throughput than the HD2 or my Pure.
I wanted to test out the focus s and titan in store before buying, but I got tired of reading online and being swayed for one or the other with everything I've read... and then the penny sale happened, so I went with my gut and just got the titan. HTC does a better job on build quality than samsung, and afaik the only benefit of a samsung (in practical terms) is the superior screens they craft with magic and rainbows. eh, I have my samsung tv, that's enough. I hope the titan's battery is as good as I've read...
Last; what's with chevron labs 'out of tickets'? Come on! My thought process as I saw this: 'I would have paid $9, but I'm not patient enough to wait microsoft! *tries to send dev unlock cab, fails* guess I have to wait'. there isn't a way to unlock it otherwise, is there?
I am assuming that H is HSPDA+ because Titan does display 3G icon sometime before i pop back to H.
People are complaining that AT&T limit their Titan Bandwidth/ Titan Hardware problem/
I must be the user this phone was designed for. I have not had any issues with one-handed operation, including being able to use the power button. I also don't have any issue with the camera or volume rocker buttons. I can easily type one-handed.
I was very apprehensive about the size of the screen. Now that I have used it for a week, I absolutely love it. I can see what people are calling ghosting, but I really don't think that is an adequate description. Ghosting is more about casting shadows. In the case of this device, it often appears that text is blurring when scrolling. This is something that is easily ignored in my case.
I have not noticed any lag or sound issues or random freezes. As far as screen sensitivity, I find it just about right for me. I also like the smaller capacitive buttons as I do not seem to have issues with hitting them by accident. This has been an issue with every smartphone I have owned with capacitive buttons. I am very happy that this phone is not exhibiting this issue.
I guess, like everything else in life, it is all relative. My hands are apparently large enough to handle this phone without feeling strained. I also get plenty of tactile feedback for my needs. I also LOVE the led. I don't understand why so many devices leave this out of the design.
Returning my ATT HTC Titan Today
Having read the above posts and others, also considering my previous experience with inconsistancies with HTC devices in the past, I am, regrettably, returning my beautiful HTC Titan to the store today.
Inconsistant out bound voice quality (ATT rep couldn't hear me cancelling my order). Fail
Throttling of 4G to below 14Mbs (was actually able to acheive almost 6Mbs in a rural part of Georgia, barely over 1.5 Mbs in metro Atlanta). Fail
Lack of storage. (thought I could live with this, can't!). Fail
Maybe I'll try the Focus S, any ideas?
Focus S doesn't have expandable storage either, though. If you're not in a rush, maybe wait for the nokia line of phones comes out? They have some with LTE in the works.
Back to ghosting: I think naplesbill is right, the people who are claiming to have 'ghosting' are using that term incorrectly. If anything, what we have here is a slightly delayed pixel response in the screen, or perhaps the rendering isn't quite smooth on the software side.
Here is an extreme case of ghosting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0esjdQ4RSuo
Titan battery life is much, much improved over my original Focus on Mango.
everything else about this phone is sooooo much improved over the Focus (a great phone too mind you) it cannot be explained. The OP's detailed info is useful but OCD-like and pretty worthless in regard to choosing a phone.
huge improvements include less accidental clicks with back/serach as well as general feel. The phone is large enough to use and hold properly and no "slipped out of my hand".
Get one.
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Having read the above posts and others, also considering my previous experience with inconsistancies with HTC devices in the past, I am, regrettably, returning my beautiful HTC Titan to the store today.
Inconsistant out bound voice quality (ATT rep couldn't hear me cancelling my order). Fail
Throttling of 4G to below 14Mbs (was actually able to acheive almost 6Mbs in a rural part of Georgia, barely over 1.5 Mbs in metro Atlanta). Fail
Lack of storage. (thought I could live with this, can't!). Fail
Maybe I'll try the Focus S, any ideas?
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If you use the headphone to make the call, i am afraid that it has the bug that the phone will have broken noise through out the headphone and it may not even let you call anyone . I experienced that bug myself, that when i plugged in the headphone, it turn out to unable to call anyone or, even receiving a call.
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I'm sure I'll get used to the buttons, I have had trouble finding the volume keys but I like where they are, at the thumb.
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Ha! Even though I'm right-handed, I ALWAYS use phones with my left for whatever reason. It never occurred to me that the Samsung had it backwards and the Titan is better. Maybe it's time to change a long-standing habit!
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I hope that the rumors of the focus s having faster speeds are false...
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Me too. If confirmed, I'll definitely add it to my gripe list. However, WPCentral is reporting that it is false.
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If you use the headphone to make the call, i am afraid that it has the bug that the phone will have broken noise through out the headphone and it may not even let you call anyone . I experienced that bug myself, that when i plugged in the headphone, it turn out to unable to call anyone or, even receiving a call.
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No headset, just holding the phone normally. I never have a problem hearing. Several people said they couldn't hear me clearly or at all. And then I have had long conversations clearly. Seems if I move the phone ever so slightly toward or away from my chin the outgoing voice quality varies dramatically.
Those of you having issues with battery life, you probably should give your phone some time to get adjusted to its battery or if its been a while already, get a new one.
This phone is lasting so much longer than any other smartphone I've owned. I used to have to watch the battery meter throughout the day, but with the Titan, I no longer have to worry. I can easily get through a full day with moderate to heavy use and still have about 50% - 40% batter remaining depending on use at the end of the day. Its absolutely amazing.
This is with Facebook and Twitter syncing, with Hotmail and Gmail set to 'as items arrive', and with about 3 or 4 tiles/background tasks running throughout the day, on top of my regular use of the phone (checking Twitter, reading news feeds, reading e-mails, browsing the web, using Bing search, playing games, texting, etc.).
Of course I'm sure there are other minor variables involved that make differences for all of us, but this phone has had the best battery life of any smartphone I've owned, period.
Also, not having any of the other issues most other people are reporting. The buttons feel great to me, especially the camera button. I found the volume buttons on my HD7/S were too easy to press, so I was always changing volume, the Titan has a much better built volume rocker. The power button could protrude a bit more, but its still MUCH better than the HD7's power button.
I’m a few days in on mine, upgrading from the Focus and am a bit mixed. I love the size. Was worried about it being too big, but not at all its great.
But beyond that it’s a mixed bag. First and most disappointing is the screen, its big, but I like the way it looks much less than the Focus screen. It seems washed out or muddy looking and the blacks aren’t as dark. I think that really this is just saying that the focus screen is really very good.
Next is the responsiveness. When sliding my finger up and down on the home screen or anywhere else, there is a sponginess when starting to move or changing directions that’s odd to me. This may be there in the focus but is exaggerated in the Titan because of the larger size screen at the same res.
Like others I think the buttons are too hard to press. After a few days I still have to work at it more than I’d like.
And finally I wonder about durability and how this thing will hold up over time. I can’t tell you how much abuse my Focus went through and came through hardly phased. Once I dropped it off the top of a 6’ ladder on to concrete and another time it fell out of my truck and got kicked across concrete several feet among other abuse and the thing still looks virtually new. First day with the Titan and it got knocked off a table onto a concrete floor and the back and camera lens is completely scratched up. So day one this thing looks worse than my year old Focus.
Don’t get me wrong I do like it, I just don’t love it..yet. I think if I was coming from any other device I’d probably be raving about it.
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And finally I wonder about durability and how this thing will hold up over time. I can’t tell you how much abuse my Focus went through and came through hardly phased. Once I dropped it off the top of a 6’ ladder on to concrete and another time it fell out of my truck and got kicked across concrete several feet among other abuse and the thing still looks virtually new. First day with the Titan and it got knocked off a table onto a concrete floor and the back and camera lens is completely scratched up. So day one this thing looks worse than my year old Focus.
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Funny you should say this, as three or four times now I've panicked because I've felt my wedding ring scrape against the back panel. I turn it over, and it's just fine. However, this didn't happen to me at all with my Focus. It's like this device is stronger and tougher than my Focus, but strangely more delicate to minor damage, so I'm babying it.
My Focus also always looked new—it was amazing! It even looked new after I put it through the laundry and killed it…
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You took the words right out of my mouth!
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Funny you should say this, as three or four times now I've panicked because I've felt my wedding ring scrape against the back panel. I turn it over, and it's just fine. However, this didn't happen to me at all with my Focus. It's like this device is stronger and tougher than my Focus, but strangely more delicate to minor damage, so I'm babying it.
My Focus also always looked new—it was amazing! It even looked new after I put it through the laundry and killed it…
You took the words right out of my mouth!
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Try getting the invisible shield full body; I haven't installed mine yet, but I put it on everything I own. I expect it to make the phone easier to grip, too.
As for the screen vs the focus.... samsung screens are always better. No one should be surprised here...
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Try getting the invisible shield full body; I haven't installed mine yet, but I put it on everything I own. I expect it to make the phone easier to grip, too.
As for the screen vs the focus.... samsung screens are always better. No one should be surprised here...
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I first thought the same but after watching this,i changed my mind
http://www.wpcentral.com/screen-comparison-samsung-focus-s-and-htc-titan
Titan seems to produce more natural colors;whereas, focus s has blacker blacks. also focus s has a blue tint on it(at least according to this vid)
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I first thought the same but after watching this,i changed my mind
http://www.wpcentral.com/screen-comparison-samsung-focus-s-and-htc-titan
Titan seems to produce more natural colors;whereas, focus s has blacker blacks. also focus s has a blue tint on it(at least according to this vid)
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This video definitely played into my decision too. When I visited AT&T on the days leading up to my purchase, I checked out the Focus S and confirmed the blue tint. Unfortunately, they didn't have a Titan on-hand for me to take a look at. Since, that was really the last in a long list of little things pointing away from the Focus S and toward the Titan, I took the plunge and ordered the Titan sight-unseen on "Black Saturday."
It wasn't until I had the Titan side-by-side with my wife's Focus that I could really tell how less saturated the Titan's screen was, and I wrote in my first post:
Overall, the screen is considerably less saturated than my Focus. Not a deal killer, and I might grow to even prefer the more subtle colors, but I just wanted to point it out.
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I guess that's what others are calling more "natural" color. It's true, I do like it just as much as my old oversaturated Focus, and possibly a bit more!
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first time WP user.. and so far enjoying it..
only gripe I have is with speakerphone.. its way too weak compared to its regular speaker (one used for Music and ringer). Regular speaker goes up to 30, while speakerphone goes up tp 10, and even at 10 its very quiet. I also feel needing more volume for regular hands on calls as well.
Titan battery life is great, I am a heavy user through out the day.(Office job, a ton of down time.) My SGS2 ate threw battery like nothing(atleast 1-2 charges a work day) this thing I can get a full day with out a charge.
The ghosting is due to the VA panel used in an SLCD. Basically you are trading pixel response time for lower black levels and better viewing angles, compared to a standard TN panel. The slowest pixel transitions are black to white, so you'll see the most ghosting with black backgrounds. Grey to grey on the other hand is the fastest, with everything else in the middle.
"Some are saying the text "blurs," but I'm definitely thinking this is genuinely ghosting, as I'm seeing a white "trail" behind my text as I scroll."
The OS is most definitely not causing the blurring.
Let me start by saying that i bought this phone only 3 days ago and these are the problems I've found with it.
1. The Second screen back light issue. This is a common problem among many lg v10 users as i have noticed, and i have that same problem too. to the extreme left of the second display it is brighter than the rest but only when it is off. I do not find this very annoying since i do not use the second display for reading my notifications while it is off. i mostly use it when the screen is on
2. In addition to that, the power button/ fingerprint scanner combo is completely garbage, as in the actual clicking. the button seems loose and when i click it, it squeaks. Also, when i run my finger up and down the power button it wobbles and has the same annoying squeak.
3. The charging port is loose. Not so much that the cable could slide out not in that axis, but it moves side to side freely and up and down. this worries me because i think that if i put too much pressure on the cable the port could break somehow.
4. The steel bezels are nice and stuff but the gaps, are uneven at the bottom left, the metal bezel is like bent and you can easily see through it. also at the back when you pop in the cover it seems like it doesn't align with the bezel. but that might just be my ocd lol
This phone in my opinion is great the best phone I've had. but its just that these things are what let me down. This phone is great but they absolutely ruined it with the quality control. note* my batch is from January 15, 2016
U probably just got a bad one. Sometimes, they make it thru the quality control somehow. I would return it until u get the one ur satisfied with.
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U probably just got a bad one. Sometimes, they make it thru the quality control somehow. I would return it until u get the one ur satisfied with.
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Yeah I think I should but I'll wait until the weekend and decide if I should change it.
Probably a good idea. The flaws won't change. I have the lightbleed on the 2nd screen, but I never notice unless it's absolutely pitch black where I am and the screen is off. It doesn't annoy me tho.
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This phone in my opinion is great the best phone I've had. but its just that these things are what let me down. This phone is great but they absolutely ruined it with the quality control. note* my batch is from January 15, 2016
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I like the phone, maybe I love it. I have the same problem with the residual light on the left of second screen. (phone batch 26 Oct.2015) But, what I dislike the most:
1. The lack of a LED on the front.
2. The second screen, about my opinion is useless until then a developer create an xposed apk for a flashing light on second screen when I loose a call.
3. The fingerprint sensor is useless too for me.
4. Volume of the speaker is not too loud.
But, I like the size and the shape of the phone. It is a catch eyes everywhere I go. Benchmarks are very good for a Snapdragon 808. The screen is very fluid. And the most, the camera and his software are great; you believe or not I compared in photoshop pictures from an expensive Sony semiprofessional DSLR camera with photos made with my V10 and the overall quality are quite the same. It's the best phone I ever had (and I had a lot of top level androids)
I don't want to change it, even on a G5!
H961 dual SIM, rooted, debloated.
The light bleed is a common issue, but everything else sounds like your phone was assembled incorrectly, you should exchange it
Okay so today I was wondering if I could find any more nit picky problems and noticed that the back cover did not sit flush with the buttons and that if I pushed it down it became flushnot a big issue but it bugs me when I'm turning up the volume or turning on the phone
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The light bleed is a common issue, but everything else sounds like your phone was assembled incorrectly, you should exchange it
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Well I exchanged a week ago and now that the time limit to return it is over, it cracked, not from a drop. It just cracked by itself there is a small hair line crack right by the metal rail and if is so annoying I paid good money and I take care of my phones well even if this was made to be tough. It cracked while I was in the car waiting for someone and then out of no where I heard a little pop and I thought nothing about it but after I finished watching the video I noticed it and got so scared I was like"did I drop it" but I did not idk how it managed to break I haven't dropped my phone yet and it just cracked out of nowhere
A number of reviewers have noted serious issues with the ips lcd panel on the lg g5, specifically backlight bleeding and "blooming" (when pressure from touching the screen causes distortion). Has anyone else out there with the g5 experienced these issues? If so, will you try to return and get a replacement?
Have noticed neither of these problems. I don't ever run 100% brightness on the screen, then switch to a black background and go into a bathroom and view the screen. And, I don't press the screen hard enough to cause distortion. If you don't do these things, you will never notice an issue.
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Have noticed neither of these problems. I don't ever run 100% brightness on the screen, then switch to a black background and go into a bathroom and view the screen. And, I don't press the screen hard enough to cause distortion. If you don't do these things, you will never notice an issue.
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There is clearly a problem more or less with some units ( bleeding light).
And you don't need to push hard to cause distortion.
I have a very strangle faint vertical line on the right side. Not visible with a black background but looks almost blue-ish on a white background. Like a line of a very light shadow.
I've seen this issue too, but not enough to bother me. I didn't notice it with my phone until i read this post.
I think it's due to the design and battery placement. I think there's a very small gap between the battery and the screen, where the LCD is practically floating and when you put pressure on the phone, the screen deflects a bit until it makes contact with the battery. Otherwise, the battery would get scratched up if that gap wasn't there.
Yes, I have a 2nd G5 and it has the same vertical shadow, except much fainter. I wouldn't of noticed this new one if it wasn't for my first phone being so prominent.
Haven't checked for light bleed, but no bloom issues with finger presses whatsoever. I pushed as hard as I was comfortable on several locations and nothing. Also no shadow that I can make out and I am very sensitive to that kind of thing, especially if I'm looking for it.
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I tried swapping out the battery & bottom-chin-thing between my two phones and now my original first phone that had the worse 'shadow line' has improved a little bit. So there's definitely a fault between the contacts that's causing this effect.
It just seems like such a mixed bag in terms of quality control Kills me too, since I've been super stoked for this device since MWC
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I tried swapping out the battery & bottom-chin-thing between my two phones and now my original first phone that had the worse 'shadow line' has improved a little bit. So there's definitely a fault between the contacts that's causing this effect.
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I'm not completely sure what you mean by fault between the contacts, but i think the issue is due to very small and minute variance in battery shape or size. This variance is probably causing different pressure points on the bottom of the LCD screen causing the shadow.
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It just seems like such a mixed bag in terms of quality control Kills me too, since I've been super stoked for this device since MWC
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Personally, I wouldn't call it bad quality control, but rather mechanical and structural design limitations with the materials currently available for use. The thickness of the G5 is only 7.7mm (0.303 inches), that's pretty incredible with a phone that has a removable battery. By comparison the Galaxy s7, is 7.9mm (0.311 inches).
I maybe speaking out of line here, but from an engineering point of view, I am impressed with the design. I am a little worried about the battery swelling up crowning the screen, but i guess i can change the battery if that happens. I've had some battery well up a little in the past...
I've had the phone for 5 days and the more i use it, the more i like it. Believe me, i'm looking for every reason to hate the phone while i still have 8 days to return it if i wanted to. After that, i'm stuck with it for two years.
I don't have any technical knowledge with this stuff but just thought perhaps there's some kind of interference or feedback happening near those plugs next to the battery inside that's causing it like when you hold a magnet up to an old tv.
The battery of my last two phones (Droid Maxx & Galaxy S5) both swelled up which is why I went with the only phone that offers a replaceable battery
FYI, I have a small magnet attached to the battery for my wizgear phone holder in my car. No issues with the screen when I press hard. There is definitely an interference fit now sliding the battery out, but it's not causing any issues.
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I don't have any technical knowledge with this stuff but just thought perhaps there's some kind of interference or feedback happening near those plugs next to the battery inside that's causing it like when you hold a magnet up to an old tv.
The battery of my last two phones (Droid Maxx & Galaxy S5) both swelled up which is why I went with the only phone that offers a replaceable battery
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I'm pretty sure a swollen battery in a G5 will absolutely destroy the phone.
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I've had the phone for 5 days and the more i use it, the more i like it. Believe me, i'm looking for every reason to hate the phone while i still have 8 days to return it if i wanted to. After that, i'm stuck with it for two years.
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Ditto. The issues AP and others have reported, I've not seen at all. My only real complaint is not being able to do tap to focus reliably on the camera.
I have the led bleed issue, but now I also have image burn in as well. you can see a faint update popup box and notification bar on the screen.
I'm assuming the phone updated last night, and when it finished, it never turned the screen off and left me with what I'm hoping isn't a permanent reminder of the update pop up ghosted on my screen.
LCDs don't burn in. If you have anything it is image persistence. Leaving the screen off for a bit (like overnight) and should clear itself.
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LCDs don't burn in. If you have anything it is image persistence. Leaving the screen off for a bit (like overnight) and should clear itself.
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I'm noticing it's going away on it's own by keeping the screen off, so you're right it isn't a burn in. thank you for informing me. I'm still getting it replaced however due to the backlight bleed.
A coworker of mine was given a G5 as part of an advocacy program. Within 3 days of getting the phone before the actual launch day, half the screen was unresponsive. We turned it off and next thing we saw was half the screen was showing the home screen, and the other half was stuck on the LG startup. Seems the G5 is having the same issue that LG recalled the G4 for.
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Ditto. The issues AP and others have reported, I've not seen at all. My only real complaint is not being able to do tap to focus reliably on the camera.
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I agree, i wouldn't call tap to focus a 100%, but one of my favorite futures with the camera, is the manual focus. I think that for me that makes up for it. Do you know if the s7 has manual focus?
ive noticed this im on my 4th phone from att. I love the phone but i cant deal with it it bothers me too much. i will be returning it soon.
Sometimes if my G5 has not been used for an hour or so, it is refusing to wake up from double tap, power button or volume button quick shortcut. Only plugging it in has seemed to wake it up on these occasions.
Has anyone else had this issue?
Not yet.
I am chocking this up to poor software implementation using the ambient sensor. I found similar issues that the OP was describing, and in my testing, was able to verify something is wonky with how the phone "thinks" it is being looked at or not.
Simply put, if you cover the ambient sensor and the camera (on my device) with your finger, while the phone is asleep/screen off, no matter how many times you press the power button on the back/fingerprint scan, the screen will fail to come up. The moment I introduce some light into the room (open up the sensor), I am able to get response back on the phone.
Ran into this issue last night and for the life of me couldn't figure it out until daylight hit . Also, my case might be obstructing the sensor (lifeproof fre), but I also noticed the issue with no case on.
Logically, I imagine LG was trying to limit power consumption with accidental presses, etc. If the phone knows it is in a dark place, it won't respond (because it thinks it is in a pocket or a bag of some sort). My rebuttle for this is how do they anticipate planning for night-time use of the phone, or are we limited to a daywalker only device?
I am heading down to an AT&T store and seeing if I can replicate this on demo units as well. In which case, we know the issue is inherent in the device (and hopefully addressed in a software update). If I am not able to replicate this at the store, then I bet OP and I got bad units.
Thanks for looking. If anyone has any feedback, or can repro or not repro this issue, please chime back .
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I am chocking this up to poor software implementation using the ambient sensor. I found similar issues that the OP was describing, and in my testing, was able to verify something is wonky with how the phone "thinks" it is being looked at or not.
Simply put, if you cover the ambient sensor and the camera (on my device) with your finger, while the phone is asleep/screen off, no matter how many times you press the power button on the back/fingerprint scan, the screen will fail to come up. The moment I introduce some light into the room (open up the sensor), I am able to get response back on the phone.
Ran into this issue last night and for the life of me couldn't figure it out until daylight hit . Also, my case might be obstructing the sensor (lifeproof fre), but I also noticed the issue with no case on.
Logically, I imagine LG was trying to limit power consumption with accidental presses, etc. If the phone knows it is in a dark place, it won't respond (because it thinks it is in a pocket or a bag of some sort). My rebuttle for this is how do they anticipate planning for night-time use of the phone, or are we limited to a daywalker only device?
I am heading down to an AT&T store and seeing if I can replicate this on demo units as well. In which case, we know the issue is inherent in the device (and hopefully addressed in a software update). If I am not able to replicate this at the store, then I bet OP and I got bad units.
Thanks for looking. If anyone has any feedback, or can repro or not repro this issue, please chime back .
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I have also experienced this issue (opened a thread a week ago). I have the exact same lifeproof case and my problem occured at night as well. Phone did not want to wake up at all until I either restarted it or had some light in the room.
Same problem, same case.
What I have found is if you pull the phone out of the case it wakes up. Thinking proximity sensor.
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Yup. It really doesn't take much extra coding for them to allow the power button to "Always Wake" the device... I imagine there will be an update in the near future.
As for me... jumping ship to the S7 edge. I really liked the G3, and was hoping this phone could have been that for me... Well, not like I really swap batteries out often anyway
Same case. Same issue. Take the phone out of the case and throw a blanket over yourself and the phone. (Simulating night) and my screen unlocks easy peasy. Something about this lifeproof case. You would think this issue would have been caught in testing and QC.
Yes the phone has a built prox. override. But it only becomes an issue at night. Outside of the case I have no issues with prox. sensor.
I have experuenced this exact same issue with my g5. Whenever its in the dark the power button nor the double tap will wake the screen when in the lifeproof fre case. When out of the case the phone works just fine.
Word to the wise though if you have a zagg glass screen protector and drop your phone both the screen protector and the screen with shatter even if in the lifeproof case. I just experienced this and now have a replacement phone. Just a heads up.
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I have also experienced this issue (opened a thread a week ago). I have the exact same lifeproof case and my problem occured at night as well. Phone did not want to wake up at all until I either restarted it or had some light in the room.
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I have the rs988 variant and I have noticed this behavior when screen is in always on mode: if I suddenly change from light to dark by covering sensors, the always on clock goes out and nothing I do will allow it to wake up, until I allow brighter light again and the clock reappears. and I can use the double tap and power button again to see the screen. I also notice that the always on clock seems to have an auto brightness independent of the screen settings - I leave screen at 50% no auto brightness, yet I still see clock light levels dim in low light, One other thing - I notice that when I answer a call the screen blanks out (the way it is supposed to ) but does not reappear until I press the power button, just taking away from my ear does not bring display back; I also have the lifeproof case. and just removed it and verified my display now works when I take away from my ear; I just took some spray lens cleaner and cleaned all the surfaces of the phone and case with a microfiber cloth and put it back together and has vastly improved the issue, maybe gone, not sure yet. Update: seems like no matter how clean it is there is still a problem with the case doing something to the proximity detector, cleaning made it better. I can always wake up with the power button for the calling screen(sometimes swiping across top sensor too), wonder if the sensor is a passive light sensor or active (rf/infrared emission)
Same issue here same life proof case however it's getting worse as I am a mechanic and this phone goes through greasy hell. The plastic lenses on the lifeproof case are getting scratched and it's getting worse. It is also having a hard time autofocusing through this case. When you pull it out the phone is gorgeous and looks brand new. Good case but it has some downsides. Still better than a broken phone.
daniel3016 said:
Same issue here same life proof case however it's getting worse as I am a mechanic and this phone goes through greasy hell. The plastic lenses on the lifeproof case are getting scratched and it's getting worse. It is also having a hard time autofocusing through this case. When you pull it out the phone is gorgeous and looks brand new. Good case but it has some downsides. Still better than a broken phone.
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There are allot of other cases you can use but not waterproof. That really sucks good thing for this thread I was going to buy a lifeproof case. Using a otterbox defender right now. Thanks for the post guys saved me some grief.
still under warranty?
daniel3016 said:
Same issue here same life proof case however it's getting worse as I am a mechanic and this phone goes through greasy hell. The plastic lenses on the lifeproof case are getting scratched and it's getting worse. It is also having a hard time autofocusing through this case. When you pull it out the phone is gorgeous and looks brand new. Good case but it has some downsides. Still better than a broken phone.
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if still under warranty, see if they will honor it. They did with mine but that was right at the beginning when these problems were linked to the case; mine was in the first 3 months, but the new one worked well for a while, now a little flakey again but not enough to bother me...too bad, a great case otherwise
mikeythedude said:
I am chocking this up to poor software implementation using the ambient sensor. I found similar issues that the OP was describing, and in my testing, was able to verify something is wonky with how the phone "thinks" it is being looked at or not.
Simply put, if you cover the ambient sensor and the camera (on my device) with your finger, while the phone is asleep/screen off, no matter how many times you press the power button on the back/fingerprint scan, the screen will fail to come up. The moment I introduce some light into the room (open up the sensor), I am able to get response back on the phone.
Ran into this issue last night and for the life of me couldn't figure it out until daylight hit . Also, my case might be obstructing the sensor (lifeproof fre), but I also noticed the issue with no case on.
Logically, I imagine LG was trying to limit power consumption with accidental presses, etc. If the phone knows it is in a dark place, it won't respond (because it thinks it is in a pocket or a bag of some sort). My rebuttle for this is how do they anticipate planning for night-time use of the phone, or are we limited to a daywalker only device?
I am heading down to an AT&T store and seeing if I can replicate this on demo units as well. In which case, we know the issue is inherent in the device (and hopefully addressed in a software update). If I am not able to replicate this at the store, then I bet OP and I got bad units.
Thanks for looking. If anyone has any feedback, or can repro or not repro this issue, please chime back .
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It's not a bug and not poor implementation. Its not light for "dark rooms" lol.. As far as I know it's the proximity sensor. When it is blocked it means the phone is in a pocket or bag and should not register taps. It really makes sense. If you dont xover the sensor and double tap doesn't work ..well.. Well, eother you have defective device or sensor , or the sensor is blocked (maybe bad screen protector?). This didnt happen with my G5 even once. It works 100% (assuming I tapped the same place)
Are the problems as described in this thread still manifesting on current firmware?