I've been getting ridiculous battery life since I got my phone. I don't get all that many emails, but I decided to use ActiveSync to push my email through rather than pulling from Pop3 every 15 minutes.
I notice that in the system processes, ActiveSync is running two processes (calendar and email) and the email app itself.
I'm noticing not as good battery life today with this set up.
Is pop3 polling every 15 a better option to maximize battery? I suppose it could be I have just installed more apps on this puppy, although, I don't see any of them continuing to run after I close them.
I would think that pulling email every so often is better... Every 15 minutes is okay but if you can go longer than that it'll probably decrease your battery usage a bit...
Not sure that POP3 really does a pull - doesn't that require a constant connection or some other mechanism to let the phone know that it has mail waiting for it? Didn't think POP3 or IMAP did that...
ronin4740 said:
I would think that pulling email every so often is better... Every 15 minutes is okay but if you can go longer than that it'll probably decrease your battery usage a bit...
Not sure that POP3 really does a pull - doesn't that require a constant connection or some other mechanism to let the phone know that it has mail waiting for it? Didn't think POP3 or IMAP did that...
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Thanks for the response.
To my knowledge, pull means it logs onto the server and checks for email. Thus "pulling" them at specified times. Also the term, "Polling", I've seen used. Perhaps I have my termanology mixed up. :shrug:
Pop3 and IMAP are similiar, except IMAP is better for keeping things in sync across multiple devices. (Again, to my knowledge.) IMAP can have push functions with IMAP IDLE as well.
Anyhow, I believe you are correct. I think push is overdoing it for my useage. Might as well switch back and save some battery. People can wait for my response. Battery life is more valuable than their time.
*chuckle* sorry, meant to say push rather than pull in my second paragraph. I think we're in agreement and glad to have been a bit of help.
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I have a friend at work thats willing to provide me one of his extra exchange server liscenses, have any of you tried this out in a home environment? If so what where the results you got? Does it work well is it meh etc.
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I have a friend at work thats willing to provide me one of his extra exchange server liscenses, have any of you tried this out in a home environment? If so what where the results you got? Does it work well is it meh etc.
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lol have it tried out it does work after many hours of setting it up but i realized it wasnt worth getting junk mail instantly so i canned it
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I have a friend at work thats willing to provide me one of his extra exchange server liscenses, have any of you tried this out in a home environment? If so what where the results you got? Does it work well is it meh etc.
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I run an exchange server out of my house and love it works great
Push required full time data connection. I don't use it because of that. I use 30 minutes poll on imap and love results.
eh Activesync doesnt use that much bandwidth actually. Its very minimal useage as it lets the connection sit idle for most of the time
I'm sure it doesn't. The problem is that the data connection has to remain live.
I poll every 30 minutes, and then 30 sec later, my connection drops.
right its live but its idle so it uses little or no battery anyway and unless you specifically make sure it disconnects the data conn it most likely will remain live as well just idle the same as push would do for you
A hotmail/live.com account is free and will get you push email.... Lots easier than setting up and managing an exchange server at your house.
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A hotmail/live.com account is free and will get you push email.... Lots easier than setting up and managing an exchange server at your house.
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how dare you suggest i drop gmail for hotmail.
I thought push was supposed to be really easy on the battery, whats all this about constant connections?
I use it and love it. I never have to worry about backing up my contacts. Just flash new ROM and put in IP Addy of server/UsernameW and I'm good to go.
I however do notice a drain on battery if you leave it set to default "as arrives" Set mine to 30 min. as well.
Using hotmail is a good idea, but I have used the same hotmail account for YEARS and that is where I get all my junk spam. Would eat up my data connection and battery if I used that.
Is Blackberry Connect free? I've never tried. Wanna use it for my Work email (which is Groupwise - yes I know). I use PushEffect by Qorefunctions for all my other email accounts?
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how dare you suggest i drop gmail for hotmail.
I thought push was supposed to be really easy on the battery, whats all this about constant connections?
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I am really surprised not that many people use live/hotmail on there ppc. I love google/hate M$ but... When it comes to mobile product M$ beats G.
Live/Hotmail (rare link ! http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/mobile/wl/download-en-us.mspx) is REALLY convenient. With synchronization schedule "as items arrive" I still have 50-70% battery life left at the end of the day (with no2chem's rom). Did not notice much difference compared to manual sync.
Plus, you get contacts synchronization - somewhat less "pushy" - not sure, how often it syncs, but works great too. BTW, make sure to backup you contacts before installing the WLWM! MS is working on improving the live/hotmail, they are now full of AJAX and I'm looking forward for a calendar push.
With gmail trying to sync contacts is major PIA, even using 3-rd party software (and I tried many!).
If you are still unconvinced to try live/hotmail, sign up for SEVEN (http://community.seven.com/main.php) (free!)
it works as an intermediate between various POP/IMAP providers, making them work like push email - not sure how but it works. I was using it for gmail/my server's IMAP but decided to go with hotmail (they had frequent server outages this summer, I've heard they were fixing them...).
In the end, you definitely do not need blackberry or setting up home exchange (with Exchange or Kerio Mail Server) to have real time push email on the PPC!
Using SBS 2008 in the home, with it's POP connector dumping all my wanted pop accounts to my exchange mail box AND PUSh this is the best though as a MVP the SBS was free except the hardware to run it (requires 64 bit /4G's) not a good solution unless your in my line of work - PUSH was the simplist thing to setup and configure ActiveSync btw is on demand and have had no issues with call/battery
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I am really surprised not that many people use live/hotmail on there ppc. I love google/hate M$ but... When it comes to mobile product M$ beats G.
Live/Hotmail (rare link ! http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/mobile/wl/download-en-us.mspx) is REALLY convenient. With synchronization schedule "as items arrive" I still have 50-70% battery life left at the end of the day (with no2chem's rom). Did not notice much difference compared to manual sync.
Plus, you get contacts synchronization - somewhat less "pushy" - not sure, how often it syncs, but works great too. BTW, make sure to backup you contacts before installing the WLWM! MS is working on improving the live/hotmail, they are now full of AJAX and I'm looking forward for a calendar push.
With gmail trying to sync contacts is major PIA, even using 3-rd party software (and I tried many!).
If you are still unconvinced to try live/hotmail, sign up for SEVEN (http://community.seven.com/main.php) (free!)
it works as an intermediate between various POP/IMAP providers, making them work like push email - not sure how but it works. I was using it for gmail/my server's IMAP but decided to go with hotmail (they had frequent server outages this summer, I've heard they were fixing them...).
In the end, you definitely do not need blackberry or setting up home exchange (with Exchange or Kerio Mail Server) to have real time push email on the PPC!
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hotmail does work really well. I know alot of people who have gmail and yahoo and refuse to try Hotmail. It is a great solution for Push email. Like I said I use PushEffect for all of accounts, but I need solution for my work email account which is Groupwise. Any ideas?
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hotmail does work really well. I know alot of people who have gmail and yahoo and refuse to try Hotmail. It is a great solution for Push email. Like I said I use PushEffect for all of accounts, but I need solution for my work email account which is Groupwise. Any ideas?
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Have you tried http://community.seven.com ? You have to register for the beta program, then try searching for "groupwise" on the forum. Looks like there is an answer, though I don't have novell to see for myself.
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Have you tried http://community.seven.com ? You have to register for the beta program, then try searching for "groupwise" on the forum. Looks like there is an answer, though I don't have novell to see for myself.
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cool. Thanks
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MS is working on improving the live/hotmail, they are now full of AJAX and I'm looking forward for a calendar push.
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I don't think it will be long, they recently added access to calendar, notes & task items thru the outlook connector
I am a Google Apps user with my own domain. The Gmail app on the Flyer is just the standard one and is not really making good use of the screen real estate.
So, I configures the HTC Mail app to connect to my account using Exchange ActiveSync and set it to push mail. I have noticed 2 annoying issues. Firstly, I often get told that there has been an authentication error with an icon in the top bar. Eventually, I can manually get it to sync with my gmail and that goes away for a while.
Secondly, the Mail app is using loads of battery. Looking in the battery stats, I noticed that it used 12% of battery and in the last 3 hours or so, it kept the phone awake for almost an hour and a half! Overall, the Flyer lost 10% of its battery in 3 hours without being touched. Not very good. I have changed push mail to sync every 10 minutes, but it is not really what I wanted.
Can anyone help here or offer any advise?
Thanks.
I am using gmail only as a secondary adress with manual update, Exchange is my primary application and on push all day long. I have no issues with battery life whatsoever, so either it is a problem linked to gmail or it some other app causing the problem.
Very, very happy with the battery life up to now! You shouldn't expect any comparison to Xoom or iPad, but as I wrote taking games and videos out of consideration and using it as a business device with eMail push, web,... I can't imagine someone would manage to get out of battery during a day...
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I am using gmail only as a secondary adress with manual update, Exchange is my primary application and on push all day long. I have no issues with battery life whatsoever, so either it is a problem linked to gmail or it some other app causing the problem.
Very, very happy with the battery life up to now! You shouldn't expect any comparison to Xoom or iPad, but as I wrote taking games and videos out of consideration and using it as a business device with eMail push, web,... I can't imagine someone would manage to get out of battery during a day...
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Thanks for this info. Out of interest, who is your exchange account with? A corporate account? I do wonder if it is a Google issue. I am trying it out with the same settings on my phone to see what happens.
Are we the only 2 on here with the Flyer?
Perhaps I am missing something obvious but is there a way to specify the interval in which Active-sync updates? I am pretty sure this is a push service but it would be great to be able to have Active-sync only update once every X hours.
i dont think you can do this, outside of turning off your data and turning it back on periodically for the phone to re-sync/update.
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i dont think you can do this, outside of turning off your data and turning it back on periodically for the phone to re-sync/update.
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Thank you for the reply. I wish we could set an interval. I am having some wake locks issues with Event Log Manager (Google Services). Turning off Active-sync solved the issue but now I am not getting calendar updates, etc. Perhaps I can use Tasker to set a schedule when I turn on and off Active-sync?
The exchange activesync let you chose sync schedules. But the GMail sync doesn't. I wish there is such option not for sync every x hours (which does not necessary save battery) but to turn off sync at night.
foxbat121 said:
The exchange activesync let you chose sync schedules. But the GMail sync doesn't. I wish there is such option not for sync every x hours (which does not necessary save battery) but to turn off sync at night.
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I am curious why you think having Activesync work on schedule wouldnt necessarily save battery? In my case, Active-sync is causing quite a bit of wake lock which drains the battery. I imagine putting this task on a schedule instead of having an "always on" connection should save battery, unless of course the app needed to schedule this consumes more battery or if the very act of starting up Active-sync consumes more battery....oh man this isnt as clear cut to me as I originally thought!
In terms of you want to do, you could use a profile scheduler program to turn off Active-sync at night. I use and app called "Profile Scheduler".
push sync actually works pretty efficiently. More so than polling for emails every so often. I have 4 accounts (one GMail, one corp. exchange and 2 hotmail accounts) all use push sync for emails, contacts and calendars. It uses no more than 2% battery per hour.
Unless you stretch out the schedule to once or twice a day, you won't see much battery improvements.
All I wanted is silent the phone automatically during my sleep at night And so far Gmail is the only one that won't let me do it
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push sync actually works pretty efficiently. More so than polling for emails every so often. I have 4 accounts (one GMail, one corp. exchange and 2 hotmail accounts) all use push sync for emails, contacts and calendars. It uses no more than 2% battery per hour.
Unless you stretch out the schedule to once or twice a day, you won't see much battery improvements.
All I wanted is silent the phone automatically during my sleep at night And so far Gmail is the only one that won't let me do it
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I'm guessing they get tons of email or something. If you really get so much email that both push and pull styles are killing battery then perhaps you should turn any form of sync off. It's not the phone's fault though, that's just how the cookie crumbles!
play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.smallmachine.autosync2
(I don't know whether I got you wrong or right!)
I have 2 email accounts set under the social hub, one for hotmail and the other for gmail, and for both email accounts i've set them under premium accounts which means instant push email during the peak periods. For both accounts, i've set the peak days to everyday of the week and peak timing to start pushing emails from 7.00 am and stop at 12.00 am. The rest of the non peak hours (12.01 am to 6.59 am) i've set the emails to come in manually.
So, correct me if i'm wrong, the emails are supposed to be pushed to your phone during the peak periods (which means your phone vibrate/sounds/notifications in status bar etc when emails come in) and during the non peak hours emails are not supposed to be pushed to your phone (which means no vibration/sounds/notifications in status bar etc) even when a sender sends an email during the non peak hours? If my interpretation is correct, then say for example you've got 5 emails sent to you during the non peak hours, you should only be notified of the 5 emails at 7.00 am, am i right?
The problem i'm having is for the non peak hours. The emails still continue to come in without me opening/refreshing the email app/account. I'm not certain if the phone sounds/vibrates when emails come in during the non peak hours but when i turn on my phone during the middle of the night i have email notifications even without opening the app. Can someone please enlighten me about this issue? Much appreciated!
100+ views and not a single reply? Come on man any constructive reply would help.
i dont have a solution , but i have both peak & non-peak schedule set as manual for all mail accounts i have in social hub.
Still i get the mails as if in Push service. I guess the settings made on our phones arent being reflected on the samsung server.
Everything's being pushed (but not promptly i looks).. has a delay.
woodstock_ahem said:
i dont have a solution , but i have both peak & non-peak schedule set as manual for all mail accounts i have in social hub.
Still i get the mails as if in Push service. I guess the settings made on our phones arent being reflected on the samsung server.
Everything's being pushed (but not promptly i looks).. has a delay.
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I can understand the delay part but it shouldn't be so bad until the email gets delayed for a few hours? The way i see it seems like what you've said, the settings aren't reflected on samsung's server. Thanks for the insight anyway.
Can I ask why you don't just use the Gmail app for the gmail account, it's not too relevent but I wonder why people do that? The push service is far more efficient and the app allows better exploration of the mailboxes..
anyway to the point, try setting the peak time to 11.59pm, maybe it's in some strange loop
This is more likely the reason though - whenever the app is open the phone will try to make a connection and refresh the inbox.. I used to use push on the native email (not through social hub, through a exchange activesync account from the app itself) but this used to create a wakelock and waste the battery, I'm guessing this push wakelock is occuring on your phone too and keeping push active even in the off-peak periods, try changing the peak sync schedule to 5minutes (for both accounts), restart the phone and see if the issue occurs
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Can I ask why you don't just use the Gmail app for the gmail account, it's not too relevent but I wonder why people do that? The push service is far more efficient and the app allows better exploration of the mailboxes..
anyway to the point, try setting the peak time to 11.59pm, maybe it's in some strange loop
This is more likely the reason though - whenever the app is open the phone will try to make a connection and refresh the inbox.. I used to use push on the native email (not through social hub, through a exchange activesync account from the app itself) but this used to create a wakelock and waste the battery, I'm guessing this push wakelock is occuring on your phone too and keeping push active even in the off-peak periods, try changing the peak sync schedule to 5minutes (for both accounts), restart the phone and see if the issue occurs
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I didn't set the gmail account to come in through the gmail app because i didn't want to enable auto sync. Anyway back to the point, I've tried setting the peak period sync schedule in sets of 7.00 am to 11.00 pm, 7.00 am to 7.05 am and even set the peak period to manual and emails still come in during the non peak period.
When you have push, it's push and push only. As soon as the mail is on the server, it will be pushed to your device.
The peak/non peak times apply when you have set the email checking to be scheduled check of say 5 minutes, 10 min, etc.
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Vishal
vishaljain said:
When you have push, it's push and push only. As soon as the mail is on the server, it will be pushed to your device.
The peak/non peak times apply when you have set the email checking to be scheduled check of say 5 minutes, 10 min, etc.
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Vishal
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Correct me if im wrong but isn't a premium email account instant push email while non premium email account is push email at user defined intervals (5min, 10min etc)? Because in non premium email account there is no peak/non peak settings, but instead just user defined time intervals. Whereas on premium email account, there isn't any user defined intervals (5min, 10min etc) but just peak and non peak periods. No offense but i'm just wondering if you're using a galaxy s2 because email configuration is a little different from stock android 2.3 as far as i know because of the social hub.
Anyway, my brother is using the same phone as me and i've asked him countless times and he had confirmed with me that if an email is being sent during the non peak periods, it will not be pushed to your phone until the start of the next peak period cycle or when you open/refresh the email app. In short, emails get pushed to his phone during the peak periods and emails will never come in during the non peak periods.
Well, no offense taken. Btw, I don't use the stock client as I have faced many issues with the same. I use TouchDown.
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I now have the same issue. Before Xmas everything was working fine, emails would only get puched during the specified time but now they are pushed 24/7. I have no idea why and have not managed to fix the issue. I was away all Xmas so my phone was turned off for 2 weeks.....I'm kinda guessing this may have something to do with it.......
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I now have the same issue. Before Xmas everything was working fine, emails would only get puched during the specified time but now they are pushed 24/7. I have no idea why and have not managed to fix the issue. I was away all Xmas so my phone was turned off for 2 weeks.....I'm kinda guessing this may have something to do with it.......
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May i know which country you're from and have you updated your firmware recently? My country (Singapore) had recently received an update from 2.3.3 to 2.3.6 on Christmas '11 and it seems like i've been having this email sync schedule bug after the update (at least that's what i notice). My brother is still on 2.3.3 and his emails pushes only during the user defined time intervals like how it should work.
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May i know which country you're from and have you updated your firmware recently? My country (Singapore) had recently received an update from 2.3.3 to 2.3.6 on Christmas '11 and it seems like i've been having this email sync schedule bug after the update (at least that's what i notice). My brother is still on 2.3.3 and his emails pushes only during the user defined time intervals like how it should work.
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I'm in the UK and I updated before xmas to 2.3.5 and I believe it was working fine until I came back of holiday but it certainly could be related. I also get duplicate notifications.
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I know this is an old thread but nevertheless I think this is relevant.
I'm experiencing the same problem with an ICS build, namely XWLP9.
After a few experimenting, here are my findings:
I have a Google acount (with its email app) plus a corporate Exchange account, which is the one giving problems.
I set it to update each 1h during peak period, and manually during off-peak.
When initially set up, it works properly. However, after some kind of trigger situation, it will go into push mode and display notifications on the fly. This of course implies a permanent connection to the server and can be noticed in the wakelocks and battery consumption.
No matter what settings I change, namely putting all options in "Manual", it won't respect that and keep using push mode. The only way I found to revert to the periodic update was to remove the account altogether and re-add it from scratch. Eventually the situation will repeat after some time, sometimes one or 2 days, sometimes a couple of weeks.
I have a wild guess this might have something to do with performing a search within the Email app, since a couple of times I started noticing the bad behavior after that, but I'll need to do some more experiments till I can tell for sure if that's the culprit.
For now, I leave the workaround I'm using and hope it works for you experiencing the same issue.
I know "help with my email app selection" threads are prevalent, but I have a slightly different question.
I've been using MailDroid for years and really like it. But, I've had terrible battery issues for the life of the GS5. The common answer is "replace the battery" but I now have confirmed that MailDroid is the culprit. I have it configured to check mail at 15 minutes but not wake the phone. This doesn't kill the battery but never checks for mail. If I set it to "check mail periodically while sleeping" it kills the battery at a rate of ~7%/hour. I simply need to be able to have my email checked every 15ish minutes and not require plugging the phone in all the time.
So, the question is:
Can someone help configure MailDroid to check mail but not kill the battery?
OR
What free client would you recommend for 3+ gmail and yahoo accounts that won't kill the battery. I want a combined inbox if at all possible.
Right now, I'm considering K9 and Blue Mail but have no basis to say one is right choice. I'll test these, but a head start in the right direction would be appreciated!