Very quick question. As we all know it's possible to get custom kernels on the S3, but it overwrites the custom recovery. That i'm completely fine with, so it begs the following question:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1741385
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1709686
Can kernals like the two above, that are made for the S3 in general, not carrier specific, be used using this workaround (or even Kexec)? Right away most people would assume not, but i don't see any reason as to why they wouldn't. So, if anybody has any knowledge as to whether or not this would work, I'd love to hear your input!
Thanks again!
P.S. This would be (obviously) used for Samsung based ROMS, not AOSP.
May be obvious, but this is for the Verizon (Bootloader Locked) S3.
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I just traded up from the nexus s, rooted right away using super one click.
My first question is, are there a lot of devs working on this phone?
My second question is, is the bootloadrr cracked or do we have to use a strap? And finally can I get any kind of custom recovery on this as it is now (though I'm sure I know the answer to that)
What kind of stuff is being worked on for this phone?
Start here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1223
I am unlocked running custom cwm and have a couple roms/themes to choose from with more on the way...
Nickdroid86 said:
I just traded up from the nexus s, rooted right away using super one click.
My first question is, are there a lot of devs working on this phone?
My second question is, is the bootloadrr cracked or do we have to use a strap? And finally can I get any kind of custom recovery on this as it is now (though I'm sure I know the answer to that)
What kind of stuff is being worked on for this phone?
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Honestly (as of now) this phone is not for you if you are looking for lots of roms.
It is not good thing to ask for ETA or when.
If you want a phone that is good out of the box then it is indeed a good phone.
We have few developers but let them do things on their own pace(they have their personal lives too).
Bootloader has an unlock, so you don't HAVE to use Bootstrap, can if you want. (Unlocking bootloader kills 4G)
There are a couple ROM's for it, CM7 is in the works, and there are about three super legit Devs, which outweights 50 ****ty ones. :] So that's what we got going on.
I love this phone, i'm not big into roms, mainly cm7 is what I always used. Mostly just want the ability to customize but mostly a good kernel.
CM7 is in the works
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I know there are all kinds of things people who are capable of doing things with a custom ROM now, but at the end of the day for maximum flexibility can a Rooted i777 ever equal a Stock or even a Rooted i9100 ?
Being that the i9100 is the original and the i777 is the variant is the reason I ask. BTW - I am aware of the subtle hardware differences ..radio,nfc etc.
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I know there are all kinds of things people who are capable of doing things with a custom ROM now, but at the end of the day for maximum flexibility can a Rooted i777 ever equal a Stock or even a Rooted i9100 ?
Being that the i9100 is the original and the i777 is the variant is the reason I ask. BTW - I am aware of the subtle hardware differences ..radio,nfc etc.
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Maybe do some research and figure out for yourself?
After all, we can run I9100 ROMs with very few modifications.
Not sure of the point of this, this is like saying is a rooted inspire as good as a stock or rooted desire hd. They are essentially the same phone with minor differences.
I have been searching around, but the main reason I ask boils down to whether with the custom roms you are able to completely free yourself from all of the garbage AT&T has done to the phone. As opposed to a i9100 that was never intended for just one carrier.
Hey there,
I just exchanged my LG O2X to S2, and was wondering if you could recommend a good, stable, battery-efficient rom+kernel+whatever? I haven't found a thread like this so that's why I'm asking.
Is CM9 any good on S2, or should I stick to CM7? Or maybe Samsung ICS roms are the way to go?
Thanks in advance and have a great day : )
No. We don't recommend roms. For several reasons. Nobody has their phone setup the same as anyone else, nobody uses their phone in the same manner, and phones come out of the factory slightly differently component-wise.
You are very unlikely to have exactly the same experience with a given rom/kernel as me for those reasons.
I suggest you root your phone (if you haven't already), preferably with a method that installs CWM as part of the deal. Then you will be able to backup, restore & install roms or kernels within minutes. If you try a rom you don't like, it's easy to restore your previous setup & try another rom.
Edit to add - Also, many people on here who use a particular rom or kernel become utter fanboys, rendering any suggestions they give you useless due to their biases.
Ok, I get it - Could you just give me a quick intel on how's CM9 on S2 regarding what's working and what's not? That was a big issue on O2X due to nVidia not releasing Tegra2 drivers, and I can't find a thread listing working and not working features.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1612881
Please just try the ROMs until you find one you like. Thanks
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Hey guys, I've been on an iPhone for over a year and I've recently begun looking into Android phones, particularly the DNA. I've got some concerns though. Some have been addressed here and there, others haven't.
My first concern is getting rid of the bloatware. I don't really dread it (although trying some other options seems really appealing). From what I've read, you need s-off in order to truly get rid of all the bloatware without negatively affecting other aspects of the OS. I've also deduced that an s-off exploit will probably come around sooner or later, but please correct me if I'm wrong. What exactly is downside of flashing a ROM or a kernel to an s-on phone as opposed to s-off?
I want the cleanest OS I can get. The "iOS of Android', if you will, and I unfortunately don't own the phone yet.
I'm also not sure I understand the difference between ROMs and Kernels. What's the point of using a different kernel? ROM's I understand, but the kernel seems like yet another layer beneath the ROM. What's wrong with the stock kernel HTC provides? Please clarify!
Thanks for reading and I'm glad to have this community here to help me answer some of these questions.
On the stock o.s., you can disable most of the bloat through the settings options. If you are rooted/unlocked, you can modify the Rom zip before you flash to get rid of the bloat as well.
Rom vs kernel:
The Rom is the o.s. that you see and interact with while using the phone. It consists of all the files needed (system, data, etc.). The kernel is the interface between the Rom(software) and the phone(hardware), which lets the two "talk" to each other.
Hope this helps.
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Debloat works fine s on. S off is just to write to system while booted to android. Kernel is the layer beneath the ROM. Above the hardware. It's not that the stock kernel is bad, it could just be better. That's kind of the whole android thing. It could always be better, so we as community members try to make it better. The ios of android you speak of would be aosp. It may come to this phone eventually. I hope it does but at the moment ukb does a good job of looking like it. I hope you like the switch and get a chance to learn more about how it all works. You can read about it forever but getting down into is the only real way to learn
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I've read countless forums on the rooting and roms and kernels and I have the most basic grasp of what each do. It seems that every time I read an article or forum post at some point something is mentioned that is over my head or that I don't fully grasp. I would love to not brick my phone. I need someone to explain my options and what I can do like I'm 5. What is Odex or Deodex? HOW do I find roms and kernels that work for my phone. What is clockworkmod and ADB? And what can I do to make sure I don't completely brick my phone.
I currently have an AT&T S4 that I rooted with Casual. Through casual it also loaded TWRP. I made a backup of everything it would let me check. I need to get a kernel onto this phone that will allow me to run Call Recorder "http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1441643"
I am required to have a call recording feature on my cell phone or I'm tied to a landline for work. I had a Galaxy S2 Skyrocket that this program worked perfectly on.
I would like to for the most part keep the phone looking stock. Although I'm not sure what features I could add by going with a different rom.
I'm sorry for the noob questions.
There is a 1% chance of your device bricking if you follow all the correct root steps. Clockworkmod is like twrp. It is a custom recovery to let you put custom Roms on. ADB is the android device bridge. It let's you control your android from Ubuntu command prompt. Hope this helped
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No offense meant, I honestly can't suggest you Root or ROM your phone if you can't follow the root procedure without getting confused. If you don't understand the basics how are you going to take care of issues that will inevitably come up? Desperately asking for help when your phone is looping isn't a good answer.
ADB
Odex and Deodex
ATT galaxy s4 forums, kernels are under Original Development
TWRP and CWM are just different types of recoveries. I don't like CWM because the wipe options aren't all in one menu which is bothersome. But both work well. I suggest TWRP to all my friends to limit the amount of "my phone won't boot" phone calls I get.
And the only way to ensure you don't mess up your phone is by not messing with it at all.
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I've read countless forums on the rooting and roms and kernels and I have the most basic grasp of what each do. It seems that every time I read an article or forum post at some point something is mentioned that is over my head or that I don't fully grasp. I would love to not brick my phone. I need someone to explain my options and what I can do like I'm 5. What is Odex or Deodex? HOW do I find roms and kernels that work for my phone. What is clockworkmod and ADB? And what can I do to make sure I don't completely brick my phone.
I currently have an AT&T S4 that I rooted with Casual. Through casual it also loaded TWRP. I made a backup of everything it would let me check. I need to get a kernel onto this phone that will allow me to run Call Recorder "http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1441643"
I am required to have a call recording feature on my cell phone or I'm tied to a landline for work. I had a Galaxy S2 Skyrocket that this program worked perfectly on.
I would like to for the most part keep the phone looking stock. Although I'm not sure what features I could add by going with a different rom.
I'm sorry for the noob questions.
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Every last one of those questions can and would be answered through very few Google searches. Hell, searching this site will return a lot of the same results. There's even an XDA Wiki for such FAQ. And why are you posting in Verizon if you have AT&T and there's and AT&T section for the S4? Just sayin'
Wrong forum
I would also like to suggest you make sure to post in the correct forum for your device to ensure any answers you get are applicable to what you're using. The OP indicates you have an AT&T S4, yet you posted in the Verizon forum. Should you ever have an issue with your device and need further assistance, getting responses specific to the Verizon device versus your actual device could cause further problems for you.
EDIT: Didn't see Delakit's response before posting mine
Delakit said:
Every last one of those questions can and would be answered through very few Google searches. Hell, searching this site will return a lot of the same results. There's even an XDA Wiki for such FAQ. And why are you posting in Verizon if you have AT&T and there's and AT&T section for the S4? Just sayin'
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Yeah I just noticed it was in the Verizon section. My bad. It appears I wasn't paying close enough attention when I posted that.
Dubbsy said:
No offense meant, I honestly can't suggest you Root or ROM your phone if you can't follow the root procedure without getting confused. If you don't understand the basics how are you going to take care of issues that will inevitably come up? Desperately asking for help when your phone is looping isn't a good answer.
ADB
Odex and Deodex
ATT galaxy s4 forums, kernels are under Original Development
TWRP and CWM are just different types of recoveries. I don't like CWM because the wipe options aren't all in one menu which is bothersome. But both work well. I suggest TWRP to all my friends to limit the amount of "my phone won't boot" phone calls I get.
And the only way to ensure you don't mess up your phone is by not messing with it at all.
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I can follow the root procedure just fine and have rooted my phone. How can I learn if I just sit back and say "well guess I can't do it". Your right there are going to be the inevitable issues. The only way to ensure that I never learn this stuff is to not mess with it. I'm fully aware of the risks and potential rewards of this. But I'd like to figure it out. It is probably difficult for the senior guys such as yourself to remember what it was like first starting out. You've got multiple devices with multiple influences on the current setup of the phone at stock and because of the multiple hands in the making of each phone you have different rules and procedures for each one. The sprint S4 is different from the AT&T s4 which is different from the T-mobile S4. So following a guide doesn't always help if you don't completely understand the terminology. Can I use a mod kernel on a stock rom? From what i've read, yes but if it is AT&T it must be loki'd, ok What does loki do, why does it need to be loki'd, can I loki any S4 designed kernel, and HOW do i Loki something. I have yet to find something that answers all of those. Would you like to try? Maybe someone has answered them and I just can't find it.
Also, it appears I posted this in the Verizon forum instead of the AT&T forum. It was late and I wasn't paying that close of attention. My apologies.
Icculus760 said:
I would also like to suggest you make sure to post in the correct forum for your device to ensure any answers you get are applicable to what you're using. The OP indicates you have an AT&T S4, yet you posted in the Verizon forum. Should you ever have an issue with your device and need further assistance, getting responses specific to the Verizon device versus your actual device could cause further problems for you.
EDIT: Didn't see Delakit's response before posting mine
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Thanks...I wasn't paying close enough attention when I posted that.
Mebct76 said:
I can follow the root procedure just fine and have rooted my phone. How can I learn if I just sit back and say "well guess I can't do it". Your right there are going to be the inevitable issues. The only way to ensure that I never learn this stuff is to not mess with it. I'm fully aware of the risks and potential rewards of this. But I'd like to figure it out. It is probably difficult for the senior guys such as yourself to remember what it was like first starting out. You've got multiple devices with multiple influences on the current setup of the phone at stock and because of the multiple hands in the making of each phone you have different rules and procedures for each one. The sprint S4 is different from the AT&T s4 which is different from the T-mobile S4. So following a guide doesn't always help if you don't completely understand the terminology. Can I use a mod kernel on a stock rom? From what i've read, yes but if it is AT&T it must be loki'd, ok What does loki do, why does it need to be loki'd, can I loki any S4 designed kernel, and HOW do i Loki something. I have yet to find something that answers all of those. Would you like to try? Maybe someone has answered them and I just can't find it.
Also, it appears I posted this in the Verizon forum instead of the AT&T forum. It was late and I wasn't paying that close of attention. My apologies.
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Holy crap, hyper questions. Let me try to tackle them.
I remember what is was like. As weird as it sounds, I've never been hesitant about breaking my phone even when it was my only device. But everyone is different. I have learned the most when I've made my device unusable for a few days. Everyone learns and functions differently though. In Psychology they call it the Theory of Multiple Intelligences. Some people are brilliant but can't visualize anything. Some are brilliant and can't take tests. I could go on and rant about our school's piss poor management of teaching children correctly according to their "intelligences" but I'll just stop there.
GSM is different than the CDMA versions because the radios are looking for entirely different signals. Srint, USC, Metro, and Verizon all being CDMA. Radios are the biggest pain when trying to port IMO.
Loki is an exploit to work around the locked bootloaders of ATT and VZW. There is a thread somewhere on exactly how it works. But there are also loki patches posted and the better recoveries all automatically loki patch boot.img's for you.
Almost every gs4 version has their own versions of each kernel built off of the aboot and boot images of the stock files. For instance ktoonsez has a kernel available for all the carriers and one for touchwiz and one for aosp. If you are running stock you would simply flash his kernel for TW and it would install just fine on the stock ROM without you knowing anything about loki or how it works.
To be honest, I don't know enough about the actual vulnerabilities and exploits to FULLY understand loki. But I don't need to. It works. I plan to learn more about root vulnerabilities later. But I can only work on so much at once.
You can flash other carrier's kernels, but I wouldn't recommend it if there are kernels that suit your need for your carrier. I say this because I did loki the 4.3 kernel designed for the 9505 and got it working on my vzw gs4. BUT things may be broken or not fully working due to the differences in the kernels themselves. If you don't want to tear into things, it's best to just run the one for your phone.
I think I got it all. Maybe not though.
The best way to learn is with a nexus device. You can't brick that thing if you tried, and even if you were trying, you'd have to know what you were doing to brick it.
I mean, as long as you have the money to replace your phone, and don't mind not having an operational phone, dive right in. I've gone a weekend without a phone, stayed up til 2am trying to fix my phone when I had to be at work at 6:30, but I like to tinker with stuff and I'm fine with that.
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Yeah I've bricked my gnex before and I learned a lot from it. There is almost always a way to fix a bricked phone whether its Odin or somehow flashing a new ROM. And like what was said before there is only a 1% chance you'll actually brick your phone. A lot of people think they are bricked when it is only a soft brick instead.
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