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I basically am a long Nokia fan and the Lumia 800 is beautiful. However it is not very practical in some cases. Here are a few flaws. Some of these flaws come from comparing Nokia's first windows phone with their first Symbian fifth edition phone, the epic 5800. You people add some on if you wish:
1) The phone needs to be turned on for the alarm clock to work
2) Phone calls don't end sometimes, you have to restart the phone
3) Battery life isn't too good but better after the update
4) It is advertised with 16GB of memory but look in the settings it actually has 13.8GB (for me)
5) FPS has always been a problem on Nokia phones for some applications and games
6) After a hard reset the Lumia 800 will crash and close applications sometimes. This is apparent in 'Shuffle Party', 'ARMED', 'Amazing Collective' and 'VIP Registration'. In 'Shuffle Party' your Xbox Live avatar is sometimes facing backwards or not even there. A new game in ARMED will crash and close. Amazing COllective app will not sometimes open and the VIP Registration app will keep giving annoying notices of the same thing every hour or two daily. This happened after a hard reset.
7) The camera does not focus properly. It does after a hard reset but not as well as it can. The book says the minimum focus distance is 10cm. It looks like it's more. Also compared to the 5800 camera the quality is okayish not too good. The pixels are blurred to make it look smooth whereas the 5800 has more pixel detail and the pixels are not blurred so the tiniest details come out somewhat and the image is sharp. It does not look like 8MP or maybe that's on the phone's screen.
8) The VIDEO camera focusses correctly but if you have something in the way it will focus on that and stay focussed at the point. For example I take a video of a lake and a person walks past the camera. The Lumia 800 will focus on the man and blur the lake a bit and it will stay like that until the camera is restarted.
9) The calendar takes some time to getting used to but it sucks a little. Compared to the symbian calendar in which to-do notes and meetings were shown a few days or a week prior to it's date the calendar on the Lumia 800 shows the things a day before on the lock screen and to edit it you have to go to the calendar instead of the one touch option on the 5800.
10) No Bluetooth file transfer. No point of bluetooth other than to transfer contacts but files won't work.
11) No USB mode. I used to use my Nokia 5800 for everything, even as a portable USB drive. The Lumia 800 does not have that, you need a big, fat, cloggy software called Zune which no one cares about to transfer things. But hey, we have SkyDrive for that
12) Privacy! I was talking to a friend yesterday through the built-in chat and I typed in the word "RnB" in a sentence. I have never typed in that word into a pc or phone for years, I know it sounds stupid but I know I have not. I dont even listen to RnB. And guess what? Today on youtube I had 3 RnB adverts!! On an Xbox 360 game video?? Coincidence? Hell no!
13) Battery capacity decreases by a few digits every time I charge the phone. It should not happen that frequently.
14) Contacts confusion. The phone syncs all your contacts on your windows live, facebook and from your sim into one and imports them into your Hotmail account. That means that every single email address, name and number on your phone, facebook and hotmail is dumped into your phone, paired up with the same names and then uploaded onto your windows live address book. There is a filter option to sort between Hotmail and Facebook contacts but it does not leave you with the phone numbers you had on your sim, it just merges them. And also Facebook and Windows Live have that personal data too!
15) I have not found a way to bookmark or add pages to the favourites list //FOUND IT LOL
16) After a hard reset the phone does not vibrate or ring if I get a message while it is locked. Even with the settings changed and the volume set to full it will not ring, not even for a phone call. The only time it vibrates is if I receive a new Hotmail message.
17) After the hard-reset every time I screen lock the phone it will disconnect from any Wifi network. This did not happen before the hard-reset.
There may be a few more which I cannot remember lol but other than that it's a really nice phone!
iGunz said:
I basically am a long Nokia fan and the Lumia 800 is beautiful. However it is not very practical in some cases. Here are a few flaws. Some of these flaws come from comparing Nokia's first windows phone with their first Symbian fifth edition phone, the epic 5800. You people add some on if you wish:
1) The phone needs to be turned on for the alarm clock to work
2) Phone calls don't end sometimes, you have to restart the phone
3) Battery life isn't too good but better after the update
4) It is advertised with 16GB of memory but look in the settings it actually has 13.8GB (for me)
5) FPS has always been a problem on Nokia phones for some applications and games
6) After a hard reset the Lumia 800 will crash and close applications sometimes. This is apparent in 'Shuffle Party', 'ARMED', 'Amazing Collective' and 'VIP Registration'. In 'Shuffle Party' your Xbox Live avatar is sometimes facing backwards or not even there. A new game in ARMED will crash and close. Amazing COllective app will not sometimes open and the VIP Registration app will keep giving annoying notices of the same thing every hour or two daily. This happened after a hard reset.
7) The camera does not focus properly. It does after a hard reset but not as well as it can. The book says the minimum focus distance is 10cm. It looks like it's more. Also compared to the 5800 camera the quality is okayish not too good. The pixels are blurred to make it look smooth whereas the 5800 has more pixel detail and the pixels are not blurred so the tiniest details come out somewhat and the image is sharp. It does not look like 8MP or maybe that's on the phone's screen.
8) The VIDEO camera focusses correctly but if you have something in the way it will focus on that and stay focussed at the point. For example I take a video of a lake and a person walks past the camera. The Lumia 800 will focus on the man and blur the lake a bit and it will stay like that until the camera is restarted.
9) The calendar takes some time to getting used to but it sucks a little. Compared to the symbian calendar in which to-do notes and meetings were shown a few days or a week prior to it's date the calendar on the Lumia 800 shows the things a day before on the lock screen and to edit it you have to go to the calendar instead of the one touch option on the 5800.
10) No Bluetooth file transfer. No point of bluetooth other than to transfer contacts but files won't work.
11) No USB mode. I used to use my Nokia 5800 for everything, even as a portable USB drive. The Lumia 800 does not have that, you need a big, fat, cloggy software called Zune which no one cares about to transfer things. But hey, we have SkyDrive for that
12) Privacy! I was talking to a friend yesterday through the built-in chat and I typed in the word "RnB" in a sentence. I have never typed in that word into a pc or phone for years, I know it sounds stupid but I know I have not. I dont even listen to RnB. And guess what? Today on youtube I had 3 RnB adverts!! On an Xbox 360 game video?? Coincidence? Hell no!
13) Battery capacity decreases by a few digits every time I charge the phone. It should not happen that frequently.
14) Contacts confusion. The phone syncs all your contacts on your windows live, facebook and from your sim into one and imports them into your Hotmail account. That means that every single email address, name and number on your phone, facebook and hotmail is dumped into your phone, paired up with the same names and then uploaded onto your windows live address book. There is a filter option to sort between Hotmail and Facebook contacts but it does not leave you with the phone numbers you had on your sim, it just merges them. And also Facebook and Windows Live have that personal data too!
15) I have not found a way to bookmark or add pages to the favourites list
16) After a hard reset the phone does not vibrate or ring if I get a message while it is locked. Even with the settings changed and the volume set to full it will not ring, not even for a phone call. The only time it vibrates is if I receive a new Hotmail message.
17) After the hard-reset every time I screen lock the phone it will disconnect from any Wifi network. This did not happen before the hard-reset.
There may be a few more which I cannot remember lol but other than that it's a really nice phone!
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Maybe just a little pedantic?
Yeah, regarding the 16GB even I thought that when I had the iPhone 4, but that a mount that's already in use is your OS, sadly, I know, even I believe that we are mislead to believe that it actually contains 16GB.
As for your faults, their seems to be a lot of faults with your handsets that I don't seem to have, take it to a Nokia care point or mail them on their Nokia support website, I'm sure your phone's in warranty, if proved faulty, they'll easily replace your handset. That wi-fi and lock issue, I've started to notice recently too since the update, I think Nokia have done a cheeky one of saving battery like this, cutting off wi-fi, and my gf gives me a hard time for missing her texts..-_-
*EDIT* oh and yeah, I'm thinking of sending mine for a replacement if Nokia don't have an answer to this.
Lol yeah I guess so. Still why am I complaining I got it for free
Oh also it says it has 512mb RAM. It actually has 300 or something. :/
iGunz said:
Lol yeah I guess so. Still why am I complaining I got it for free
Oh also it says it has 512mb RAM. It actually has 300 or something. :/
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A fair amount of ram is reserved for the OS like on Android. Also about the disk space issue I don't think it's much to worry about.
Like prevoius poster said I think you are a bit picky about some faults. You also seem to have faults that does not exist on my phone.
My computer needs to be turned on for my alarm clock to work on it, too. My alarm clock (were I to have one) would need to be plugged into the wall to work. Of course, the phone has to be turned on for the alarm clock to work.
It's very likely that the 16GB is advertised the same way that hard drive capacities are advertised. They market 16,000,000,000 bytes as 16GB. Considered how computers read storage, that 16,000,000,000 is actually 14.9GB. Then remove whatever is required by the OS.
Windows Live does not import your Facebook contacts unless you indicate it too. Mine does not, has not, and will not merge my FB contacts to my Windows Live account.
Yes, Calendar sucks.
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My computer needs to be turned on for my alarm clock to work on it, too. My alarm clock (were I to have one) would need to be plugged into the wall to work. Of course, the phone has to be turned on for the alarm clock to work.
It's very likely that the 16GB is advertised the same way that hard drive capacities are advertised. They market 16,000,000,000 bytes as 16GB. Considered how computers read storage, that 16,000,000,000 is actually 14.9GB. Then remove whatever is required by the OS.
Windows Live does not import your Facebook contacts unless you indicate it too. Mine does not, has not, and will not merge my FB contacts to my Windows Live account.
Yes, Calendar sucks.
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The first bit you said is true but every other Nokia phone I know has turned itself on if the alarm time came. Why not this one? It's probably the Windows software, literally a computer lol
Thanks for the second and third bit it clears stuff up.
iGunz said:
The first bit you said is true but every other Nokia phone I know has turned itself on if the alarm time came. Why not this one? It's probably the Windows software, literally a computer lol
Thanks for the second and third bit it clears stuff up.
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Actually all modern smartphones don't have that feature anymore, regardless the software: it's the same on iOS, Android, BBOS, WebOS, MeeGo and more. The only devices sticking with that feature may be the Symbian ones, but I'm not sure because the last Symbian I used was some old N81, which was able to do that but I still don't know about newer Anna devices...many things may have changed.
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10) No Bluetooth file transfer. No point of bluetooth other than to transfer contacts but files won't work.
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I agree with this completely. How often do you even transfer contacts? Bluetooth in this device is a joke.
I bought L800 for my wife, and she wanted an Iphone 4 btw, and one of my arguments against it was that there is no functioning bluetooth, imagine my frustration when i found out there is in fact no BT in Lumia 800 too.
Btw, initially i really liked the device, i even considered getting one for myself, but now i'm absolutely not getting it.
I'm also dissappointed in camera too.
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I dont understand the whole blueooth complaint. How many times in your life would you transfer a file via buetooth. Welcome to the 21 century, use the cloud. So strange to hear people say they wont buy a phone because of a feature they might use once to transfer their contacts. I have my contacts synced with my Live account for years and every time I get a new phone or computer I put that account in and my contacts sync. Bluetooth file transfers???? Why??????
lol..i agree with cloud...but to say...here in our country...keeping connected to cloud is not very possible...so bluetooth id needed...lumia had a very big release here in our country and dey couldnt consider a bluetooth transfer..:/
sad...i hope it cums in an update as well as wifi hotspot..
also needs battery improvement...
waiting for modders to crack open the firmware...i need tools..i can help!!!
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I dont understand the whole blueooth complaint. How many times in your life would you transfer a file via buetooth. Welcome to the 21 century, use the cloud. So strange to hear people say they wont buy a phone because of a feature they might use once to transfer their contacts. I have my contacts synced with my Live account for years and every time I get a new phone or computer I put that account in and my contacts sync. Bluetooth file transfers???? Why??????
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What's so hard to understand? Cloud means data, more time, more money, and how other person is supposed to receive it? What if he has Symbian phone like me? Or S40 phone??
My phone is E72, my wife's Lumia 800, say she took a pic she wants to share with me, are you saying it's better and easier to use cloud than transfer it via bluetooth directly phone2phone? I'm sorry but that's a load of BS. You coundn't find any dumber excuse for missing BT.
1orka said:
What's so hard to understand? Cloud means data, more time, more money, and how other person is supposed to receive it? What if he has Symbian phone like me? Or S40 phone??
My phone is E72, my wife's Lumia 800, say she took a pic she wants to share with me, are you saying it's better and easier to use cloud than transfer it via bluetooth directly phone2phone? I'm sorry but that's a load of BS. You coundn't find any dumber excuse for missing BT.
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Keep in mind that bluetooth OBEX is not a flaw of the Lumia, but is a shortcoming on the part of Windows Phone design. Also, iPhone cannot do this either. Can Android? I dunno, never tried.
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Keep in mind that bluetooth OBEX is not a flaw of the Lumia, but is a shortcoming on the part of Windows Phone design. Also, iPhone cannot do this either. Can Android? I dunno, never tried.
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Well, I bought Nokia, not Microsoft phone, and I paid my money to Nokia, not to MS, so it's Lumia's fault. All these years people are used to the fact that top line Nokia offers full functiong bluetooth.
Still, I get your point but if you have a laptop, you will see that Microsoft doesn't support full bluetooth there too, at least not on mine Vaio. For this purpose there is a bluetooth stack (mine is made by Toshiba) which is small software programm. So, all these excuses "it's not Nokia it's MS" are funny. There is a way around, not to mention their "special relationships" , I'm sure if Nokia insisted MS would do that stack specially for Nokia by themselves.
As for Iphone and Android I never tried it too, i've been using Nokias for last 10 years.
Still, after doing some research online it turns out there are some apps for Iphone that allow bluetooth files sharing, i think it's restricted to pictures and videos, no music files, though not sure about that. Also, you can do jailbreak and use full Bluetooth functions (by the way, there is whopping Bluetooth 4.0 in Ip4S, Lumia in comparison has ancient and slow ver 2.1,)
Android does it all by default, no apps, no hacking needed. Even a year old Galaxy S2 already has fast Bluetooth 3.0 HS (high speed). So, Lumia turns out complete looser and dissappointment in this regard. And did i mention crappy camera?
FFS, Nokia did not develop the OS in this case. Don't blame them for something they have no influence.
1orka said:
Well, I bought Nokia, not Microsoft phone, and I paid my money to Nokia, not to MS, so it's Lumia's fault. All these years people are used to the fact that top line Nokia offers full functiong bluetooth.
Still, I get your point but if you have a laptop, you will see that Microsoft doesn't support full bluetooth there too, at least not on mine Vaio. For this purpose there is a bluetooth stack (mine is made by Toshiba) which is small software programm. So, all these excuses "it's not Nokia it's MS" are funny. There is a way around, not to mention their "special relationships" , I'm sure if Nokia insisted MS would do that stack specially for Nokia by themselves.
As for Iphone and Android I never tried it too, i've been using Nokias for last 10 years.
Still, after doing some research online it turns out there are some apps for Iphone that allow bluetooth files sharing, i think it's restricted to pictures and videos, no music files, though not sure about that. Also, you can do jailbreak and use full Bluetooth functions (by the way, there is whopping Bluetooth 4.0 in Ip4S, Lumia in comparison has ancient and slow ver 2.1,)
Android does it all by default, no apps, no hacking needed. Even a year old Galaxy S2 already has fast Bluetooth 3.0 HS (high speed). So, Lumia turns out complete looser and dissappointment in this regard. And did i mention crappy camera?
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anseio said:
FFS, Nokia did not develop the OS in this case. Don't blame them for something they have no influence.
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Nokia is not some no name chinese brand, they have strategic cooperation with Microsoft so your attempts to make it look like there is no influence are ridiculous.
Even if indeed, there is not influece in OS development, there is a way around like making extra software to utilise missing bluetooth functions better.
They already have exclusive apps strictly for Nokia (Nokia drive for example, which uses GPS chip), same way they can make an app for Bluetooth too.
Your attemps as Nokias apologist are lame.
Christ, you have no clue about wp7, do you?
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Well, you could come up with something more intelligent, instead of this fake amazement and cheap shots.
1orka said:
Well, you could come up with something more intelligent, instead of this fake amazement and cheap shots.
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Well, what can I say? I'm surprised that you're making such a stink over such a small feature that NO Windows Phone currently has. Has it crossed your mind that it might be an OS limitation? Seriously, figure out a different alternative to OBEX. It's practically dead.
MS Exchange 2010 remote wipe on Lumia
Does anyone tried remote wipe feature on Lumia using MS Exchange 2010? I've connected MS Exchange mailbox on my Lumia 800 and decided to test remote wipe functionality initiated from Exchange server. As the result I've got full device reset and lost all the contacts and applications too
anseio said:
Well, what can I say? I'm surprised that you're making such a stink over such a small feature that NO Windows Phone currently has. Has it crossed your mind that it might be an OS limitation? Seriously, figure out a different alternative to OBEX. It's practically dead.
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Well, if that feature is small to you, why try to force your opinion on others, to which it is important? Do you really think i'm the only one?? Go to Nokia forums and see all those complains. You can google "lumia bluetooth problems" too. You are not very helpful here, not suggesting any alternative, all you do is advocating Nokia and downplaying obvious drawbacks. Yours posts are irrelevant in this thread, which is dedicated to Lumias flaws.
And I don't want to repeat myself over again, may be you have problems with reading comprehension? Iphone has OS limitations too, yet there are ways around. And because "obex is dead" they put BT 4.0 in latest Iphone and so does Samsung, which already offers high speed file transfer via bluetooth for almost a year? Your argument is a joke, may be you are not very sociable or you live in cave, i don't know, but in Russia, where i live, file sharing is very popular, and there is no decent alternative to Bluetooth.
I'd like to keep my Flyer out in my truck as a perm GPS kinda thing. It gets kinda cold up in NY, so I'm concerned on how cold weather tolerant this thing is. The general rule is not to keep electronics outside when its cold, but come on... have you seen newer cars!! I left my Garmin outside 365/year without issue too.
I'd like to know fact from fiction on this. Maybe Myth Busters did something on it, lol.
If the worst thing to happen to my Flyer is a sluggish screen until it warms up, I'd like to keep it in the truck/car most of the time.
i literally never take my first gen ipod video from 2005 out of my trucks glovebox...in NJ, it gets as cold as single digits in the winter, and hits triple in the summer, and it's always in there, and somehow STILL works..and that's a moving hard drive too lol..i'd think as long as it doesn't move from cold to hot temps really quickly, no condensation should form or anything
Lion batteries tolerate cold better than heat but, I would imagine that there is still a potential for damage to occur.
I doubt the other components would be affected much.. but, just keep in mind there is a chance it will be on life support to actually run the rest of it's life.
If I may also go ahead and point this out.. You can get a Garmin with lifetime updates for about 250$ that doesn't require a cellular data connection and would be more reliable for what your buying it for..
Snow_fox said:
Lion batteries tolerate cold better than heat but, I would imagine that there is still a potential for damage to occur.
I doubt the other components would be affected much.. but, just keep in mind there is a chance it will be on life support to actually run the rest of it's life.
If I may also go ahead and point this out.. You can get a Garmin with lifetime updates for about 250$ that doesn't require a cellular data connection and would be more reliable for what your buying it for..
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I got the Flyer at BestBuy for $99 a few months ago when they messed up the price. I dont have a need for it in the house because I have a GT10.1. I was close to CraigsListing it for $175, but decided to buy the Flyer car dock and use it as device to leave in the truck for GPS and such.
I dont really want another Garmin if the Flyer can work (w/tethering).
While Li ion batteries tolerate cold temperatures better than some other types, they still drain much more quickly in freezing temperatures. If you are leaving your Flyer in screen-off mode (and not powering it down), then you should be careful its not draining until shutoff in cold temps. Full power cycles are not good for Li ion batteries long term. Its also possible that draining the battery until the device shuts off, will render the battery unable to take a charge. (doesn't happen often, but does happen with Android devices).
That said, I completely understand your feeling about wanting to use an Android device instead of a Garmin for car navigation. I haven't used the "latest" Garmins. But the one I have (couple years old) has a crappy unresponsive touch screen, low resolution, and search function is nothing compared to Google.
The only advantage to a Garmin, is that you don't need a data connection. But of course, there are ways around that with Android also, either downloading Google Map sections, or with 3rd party software.
This doesn't answer your question, but I'll just throw this out there:
I've had the Flyer since it's release date at Best Buy. I bought it with full intentions of leaving it in my truck as a GPS/Media Player/Browser.
I built a console for it that goes between my jump seat and dash (the unit basically sits right under my stereo) and I have left it there plugged into a usb charger and line in on my stereo since the day I bought it (I can easily remove it and have on occasion for a few hours at a time.
I live in West Virginia so it probably doesn't get quite as cold as it does in NY but it can get down below zero at night. We have had a pretty mild winter here but that being said - I have never had a single problem out of it. Neither heat nor cold has seemed to have any affect on it whatsoever.
This is not to say that it couldn't and I've wondered the same as you many times... but just as someone who is doing exactly what you plan to do... I have never had a problem with it.
Hope this helps.
Just an FYI regarding the need for a cellular or wifi signal to use the Flyer or View as a dedicated GPS. With the use of a standalone navigation app such as CoPilot Live (no affiliation) or similar, which include built-in maps, your GPS-enabled unit uses only the internal GPS antenna to set a fix, and the on-board maps to get you around. No data connection is required to constantly update maps, as is the case with Google Maps, which is an 'assisted GPS' (aGPS) program.
Once your nav app is loaded, conserve batt power by activating 'airplane mode,' then under 'Location' enable the 'use GPS satellites' function. Make sure your Flyer is securely mounted on windshield or dashboard with a reasonable view of the sky (that's where the satellites are). You'll have no problems getting around in remote areas not served by Sprint et al. Over the past few years we have used my Evo 4g, Evo 3D and Evo View to get around in Europe in just this manner (no phone calls though, these are not international phones).
Regarding cold temperatures, I would remove the device from your vehicle if sub-zero F readings are expected.
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No data connection is required to constantly update maps, as is the case with Google Maps, which is an 'assisted GPS' (aGPS) program.
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That is not what assisted GPS (aGPS) means. aGPS uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS location. Virtually any usage of the phone's GPS involves aGPS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS
Also, as I've mentioned previously, Google Maps has the ability to download maps so you can use Maps and Navigation online. You just have to download the maps one area at a time.
I think we're saying the same thing. The Flyer/View will perform GPS (vs. aGPS) duties just fine without tower triangulation (in airplane mode) if your program has built-in maps. No tethering required.
The map caching is in Google Labs, right? I played with that while waiting at an appointment. I tried a Nav to home with it and Nav just spun. I only tried once though. I didn't get a "data connection required" so i know it knew the cached data was there.
I will think about Copilot if GNav doesn't cut it.
I like this thread, lots of good comments!
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I think we're saying the same thing. The Flyer/View will perform GPS (vs. aGPS) duties just fine without tower triangulation (in airplane mode) if your program has built-in maps. No tethering required.
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No, we are not saying the same thing at all. You were saying that Google Maps can't be used without a data connection, since its an "aGPS program", and you seemed to be stating that aGPS had something to do with updating the maps (which it does not). Google Maps is fully functional without a data connection as I stated above.
Also, pretty much any current Android device is going to use aGPS when possible to shorten GPS lock time, regardless of what navigation app you are using (I hate when people call nav software "GPS", as GPS just determines lat/long and elevation and nothing more).
And now you are mis-using the term "tethering". A data connection is not tethering. Tethering is when you share a cell data connection with another device. For instance, tethering a phone to a laptop, means your laptop can use the data connection on your phone.
You really need to get your terms right.
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The map caching is in Google Labs, right?
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Yeah, that's right. I haven't played around with the feature much myself. But a buddy of mine recently used it during a trip to Europe, so he can navigate the cities on foot without pricey data roaming fees. He said it worked wonderfully.
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And now you are mis-using the term "tethering". A data connection is not tethering. Tethering is when you share a cell data connection with another device. For instance, tethering a phone to a laptop, means your laptop can use the data connection on your phone.
You really need to get your terms right.
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Thanks for the suggestion, Captain. I am attempting to help the OP, who used the term 'tethering,' which is unecessary, as is a data connection, if you have maps on your device:
kenyu73 said:
I dont really want another Garmin if the Flyer can work (w/tethering).
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My comments/methodologies are based upon actual travel experiences with these devices, which I'm sharing with the OP. Why do you feel the need to challenge me? Is this an initiation ritual for a new poster?
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Thanks for the suggestion, Captain. I am attempting to help the OP, who used the term 'tethering,' which is unecessary, as is a data connection, if you have maps on your device:
My comments/methodologies are based upon actual travel experiences with these devices, which I'm sharing with the OP. Why do you feel the need to challenge me? Is this an initiation ritual for a new poster?
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Its all good gents. I just wanted to know if the Flyer was ok out in the cold.
Whether or not I'll use GNav or purchase something like Copilot is another story. I appreciated the comments from everyone.
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I dont really want another Garmin if the Flyer can work (w/tethering).
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My comments/methodologies are based upon actual travel experiences with these devices, which I'm sharing with the OP. Why do you feel the need to challenge me? Is this an initiation ritual for a new poster?
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The person your last response is directed at, and the OP are the same person.
No, I'm not trying to pick on you. But if you post something that is incorrect, people here are going to call it out. Or people here may just want to offer up a different opinion. Which brings me to the following.
I completely sympathize with the OP's desire to not want another Garmin navigation unit. I've found them to be crap. Overpriced for what they can do, not well made, and completely unreliable. I paid $399 for a flagship Nuvi unit, and it broke down a year after I bought it. Luckily, it was still on warranty, and they fixed it. But then the power cable failed soon after (out of warranty). Good thing I found a replacement on eBay for less than $10, because Garmin wants to charge you $30 (for something that will probably fail again in a year or so anyway). Both failures happened while I was traveling, and luckily I had my smartphone and Google Maps as backup.
Meanwhile, I have 3 HTC smartphones, and one tablet, from as far back as 4 years, still running fine as the day they were bought (aside from a few cosmetic blemishes from normal wear and tear). As far as I'm concerned, you are better off using a smartphone or tablet as navigation, with a 3rd party nav app with pre-loaded apps, if losing data connection is a concern.
Having a dedicated nav unit is probably a dying business model. Aside from providing software for smartphones, I don't see much of Garmin's business being around in a few years.
This is true, the last one I purchased was in 2003; it's unlikely that I'll ever purchase a dedicated unit again. The Flyer/View's 7-inch screen and robust build make for an excellent navigation device.
i noticed on my dinc4 that sometimes it fails to properly recognize that I'm out of wifi range or that i'm near another AP. For instance, I am home and everything works fine, i'm on let's say "HOME" at full signal.
I go to work, when I'm at work, it shows that i'm still connected to "HOME" at like 1-2 bars instead of 5 and that "WORK" is out of range.
I turn off wifi and turn it back on.
I now see "WORK" is in range but I can't connect to it... it just goes in "connecting" and stays there. If I reboot the phone, all is well and I am on the "WORK" network.
This does not happen every single time but more times than not. Anyone else experience this? Any general fixes to this kind of issue? Currently my wifi is set to never sleep. Performance mode is off.
I used to have this sort of problem with my OG motorola Droid but I always thought that phone had buggy wifi...
Thanks.
It's funny you mention this. I just noticed this behavior this morning on my way to work. The status bar stayed on wifi when it should have switched to 4g. Although my data worked, so it knew it was on 4g but that status bar never reflected the change. This isn't identical to your issue as you are talking about wifi to wifi switching...but I think the notification on the status bar is in the same ballpark.
so am I the only one with this issue?? no one else is having wifi weirdness?
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so am I the only one with this issue?? no one else is having wifi weirdness?
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Nope. WiFi is fine for me.
So, I was going to post a separate thread about my experience, which is my new Dinc4 has been rebooting constantly since i first got it.
but i've been suspecting that it has something to do with either the Play Store, or the radio.
I haven't been experiencing the same issues with the WiFi that you're describing. But the one thing that has most consistently caused a reboot is when I either launch the Play Store or an app update notification hits, when WiFi is on, but no known networks are available. The WiFi reminder function will come up and everything freezes and then...reboot.
It's hard to say for sure whether it's tied to the radio. But that's just my hunch. Either way, I haven't tinkered with this thing at all. The most I've done is side-installed Swype. But then I did a factory reset and still the same issue. So this shouldn't be happening.
Heading to the Verizon store now to (hopefully) swap it out. I'll add updates if I have them.
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So, I was going to post a separate thread about my experience, which is my new Dinc4 has been rebooting constantly since i first got it.
but i've been suspecting that it has something to do with either the Play Store, or the radio.
I haven't been experiencing the same issues with the WiFi that you're describing. But the one thing that has most consistently caused a reboot is when I either launch the Play Store or an app update notification hits, when WiFi is on, but no known networks are available. The WiFi reminder function will come up and everything freezes and then...reboot.
It's hard to say for sure whether it's tied to the radio. But that's just my hunch. Either way, I haven't tinkered with this thing at all. The most I've done is side-installed Swype. But then I did a factory reset and still the same issue. So this shouldn't be happening.
Heading to the Verizon store now to (hopefully) swap it out. I'll add updates if I have them.
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If you are unsuccessful in getting a replacement or have the same problem with your replacement, the menu that pops up showing you available WiFi networks before you open an internet-based app (Play Store, browser, etc.) can be disabled in Settings > WiFi > Advanced in menu > "Notify me". You could see if that resolves your reboot. (Note that this won't remove your "WiFI Off" notification in the notification bar, it will just stop that screen from popping up when you launch an app.)
fenster77 said:
So, I was going to post a separate thread about my experience, which is my new Dinc4 has been rebooting constantly since i first got it.
but i've been suspecting that it has something to do with either the Play Store, or the radio.
I haven't been experiencing the same issues with the WiFi that you're describing. But the one thing that has most consistently caused a reboot is when I either launch the Play Store or an app update notification hits, when WiFi is on, but no known networks are available. The WiFi reminder function will come up and everything freezes and then...reboot.
It's hard to say for sure whether it's tied to the radio. But that's just my hunch. Either way, I haven't tinkered with this thing at all. The most I've done is side-installed Swype. But then I did a factory reset and still the same issue. So this shouldn't be happening.
Heading to the Verizon store now to (hopefully) swap it out. I'll add updates if I have them.
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yeah your issues sounds significantly different.. i'd like to see if others have the same wifi issues as I do - yours is more serious it seems
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If you are unsuccessful in getting a replacement or have the same problem with your replacement, the menu that pops up showing you available WiFi networks before you open an internet-based app (Play Store, browser, etc.) can be disabled in Settings > WiFi > Advanced in menu > "Notify me". You could see if that resolves your reboot. (Note that this won't remove your "WiFI Off" notification in the notification bar, it will just stop that screen from popping up when you launch an app.)
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Yeah, sorry...forgot to mention that I had turned that off and was still experiencing the issue in different places, but it still felt radio-related.
At any rate, I just got back from the Verizon store with a new Dinc4. It was actually the most pleasant experience with them ever. I was trying to explain all of the above, but halfway thru, the guy was politely giving me the nod and saying, "Yeah...let's just swap it out."
So far so good. I'll report back if that changes.
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yeah your issues sounds significantly different.. i'd like to see if others have the same wifi issues as I do - yours is more serious it seems
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I have the same wifi issue. I try to shut it off now when I leave the house to avoid data drops. I'm on stock, unlocked.
Just FYI...
Haven't experienced the problem on this replacement Dinc4 yet. I've had the odd crash while doing 10 things at one. And the other day, some unknown process was running like crazy in the background, making the phone run super hot and unable to hold its charge even while plugged in. Had to manually restart.
But otherwise, it's fine. My original one must have really just been a lemon.
I just got my DINC 4G today and have been having nothing but problems with wifi. It disconnects every few minutes from 3 different locations which are rock solid on my DINC 2, Kindle Fire and friend's DROID RAZR. Everything else with this phone is outstanding!
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sleepit said:
I just got my DINC 4G today and have been having nothing but problems with wifi. It disconnects every few minutes from 3 different locations which are rock solid on my DINC 2, Kindle Fire and friend's DROID RAZR. Everything else with this phone is outstanding!
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I have the same problem, but only on my home wifi so far. At work it stays connected. At home it'll drop off wifi, pickup 4G for a few seconds, then go back to wifi. It'll do that swap every 10 minutes or so.
My Inc2 and Xoom both never disconnect at home. Weird and annoying.
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The only problem I've experienced with this phone's Wi-Fi is that despite setting "Keep Wi-Fi on during sleep" to "Always," the phone does not seem to follow that advice. I often turn the phone's screen on after I haven't used the device for a while to see the Wi-Fi Off indicator in the menubar. It briefly connects to 3G/4G and then soon after reconnects to my home Wi-Fi (all in all taking about 2 seconds to make the adjustment). It's strange behavior, but it's not really a problem for me--only difference I've seen it make is that some push notifications that rely on a data connection are not pushed to my phone until the screen is turned on.
That being said, I have experienced no lapses in Wi-Fi while actively using the device, and Wi-Fi toggling itself off when the network is out of range has happened without a hitch.
I think it's primarily a radio problem but I think it may be intentional. The radio on this phone seems to be programmed to favor 3G where 3G signals are significantly stronger than 4G (even if the 4G signal is flawless and 3 bars at minimum), sleep aggressively when the screen is off, and latch on to Wi-Fi networks as quickly as possible and stay with them even when signal is spotty. Probably helps battery life but the cost is a less smooth data experience.
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The only problem I've experienced with this phone's Wi-Fi is that despite setting "Keep Wi-Fi on during sleep" to "Always," the phone does not seem to follow that advice. I often turn the phone's screen on after I haven't used the device for a while to see the Wi-Fi Off indicator in the menubar. It briefly connects to 3G/4G and then soon after reconnects to my home Wi-Fi (all in all taking about 2 seconds to make the adjustment). It's strange behavior, but it's not really a problem for me--only difference I've seen it make is that some push notifications that rely on a data connection are not pushed to my phone until the screen is turned on.
That being said, I have experienced no lapses in Wi-Fi while actively using the device, and Wi-Fi toggling itself off when the network is out of range has happened without a hitch.
I think it's primarily a radio problem but I think it may be intentional. The radio on this phone seems to be programmed to favor 3G where 3G signals are significantly stronger than 4G (even if the 4G signal is flawless and 3 bars at minimum), sleep aggressively when the screen is off, and latch on to Wi-Fi networks as quickly as possible and stay with them even when signal is spotty. Probably helps battery life but the cost is a less smooth data experience.
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I would say what you just wrote sums my experience with the WiFi up perfectly thus far. Seems to be not following the advice of keeping wifi on during sleep. I, too, am wondering if I always have connection while it's asleep, and am not getting push notifications sometimes (maybe that's why my battery life is so good!!)
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I would say what you just wrote sums my experience with the WiFi up perfectly thus far. Seems to be not following the advice of keeping wifi on during sleep. I, too, am wondering if I always have connection while it's asleep, and am not getting push notifications sometimes (maybe that's why my battery life is so good!!)
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I have the same delayed push notification while on wifi issue as well, and it is driving me crazy. I *think* that this is some half baked battery saving "feature" in Sense 4. It needs to be able to be turned off. If HTC doesn't fix this, the Inc4G will not be my phone for long, and I will not be buying another HTC phone. Push notification means push, not whenever the screen is on. Am I supposed to keep turning the screen on to check for emails? Defeats the purposes of saving battery life, if you ask me......
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I have the same delayed push notification while on wifi issue as well, and it is driving me crazy. I *think* that this is some half baked battery saving "feature" in Sense 4. It needs to be able to be turned off. If HTC doesn't fix this, the Inc4G will not be my phone for long, and I will not be buying another HTC phone. Push notification means push, not whenever the screen is on. Am I supposed to keep turning the screen on to check for emails? Defeats the purposes of saving battery life, if you ask me......
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Same here. That's the only wifi problems I've had and I'd *love* to get a fix for it. I mean, what is the "don't turn wifi off when asleep" option doing if this is still the behavior we're seeing?
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Same here. That's the only wifi problems I've had and I'd *love* to get a fix for it. I mean, what is the "don't turn wifi off when asleep" option doing if this is still the behavior we're seeing?
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Contact HTC and complain. If enough of us do that, maybe they'll fix it. I emailed them and got this response:
Thank you for taking the time to contact me at HTC.
We appreciate the feedback on the Droid Incredible 4G and I will forward this information off to our Research & Development team to have this looked into. All feedback and information from our customers is always reviewed and are used to improve our devices. If you have any further feedback on the device, please feel free to provide us with it so we can continue to improve user experience.
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Contact HTC and complain. If enough of us do that, maybe they'll fix it. I emailed them and got this response:
Thank you for taking the time to contact me at HTC.
We appreciate the feedback on the Droid Incredible 4G and I will forward this information off to our Research & Development team to have this looked into. All feedback and information from our customers is always reviewed and are used to improve our devices. If you have any further feedback on the device, please feel free to provide us with it so we can continue to improve user experience.
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I did the same. We'll see if anything comes of it. Until then...
Keep fighting the good fight!!
I have noticed something similar. If I turn off my screen while connecting to Wi-fi, it won't actually connect until I turn the screen on again. It goes through the whole process of looking to see if my access point is in range, then attempts to connect, then obtains an IP address, and then is finally connected, regardless of what step it was on when I turned off my screen while it was connecting.
htc smarty sync, htc implemented a "feature" that turns ur wifi off no matter what in between like 3am and 7am or some bs.
look it up, in the ROM Nitsuj17 and I are building we should have a tweak to turn this off..
also ive never had any issues with WiFi disconnecting, but, i also don't have mobile data on while i have WiFi on either, perhaps this could be why? if signal gets too low it switches to 4G? idk just brain storming.
:good: Hi XDA Community. First I want to say thank you to all the devs, programmers, technical people, and anyone that helps out with XDA. It's a real treasure for Android users. I am a noob pretty much regarding Android however I pick up fast. Recently I rooted my phone and it just isnt what I expected, I guess I imagined my device turning into a super-cellphone or something. Anyway I've picked up some rooted apps (Tuners, Titanium, etc) however I really don't know enough about Android to go around playing. I have a few questions maybe someone would take the time to answer. Thanks.
1. I play a social game on my phone and it has a really clumsy way of switching between accounts. I'd like to have two instances of the game instead of one, where each instance launches a different account. Is this possible?
2. Is there any widget or button where I could manually switch my processor from underclock to maximum power without delving into a program? Also a switch between max screen brightness and minimum screen brightness would be nice.
3. How can I find out more about Android and various apps services and processes? I can't sort through them to disable them if I dont know what they are. I would like to delete any bloatware from my carrier. I favor a very lite load on my phone that conserves battery because all I really do is make calls, text, and play few games at this moment.
4. Last one ... I have to pay $5 or $10 a month to enable 4g hotspot capability on my phone. Is there any difference between software that make the hotspot because I'm playing a FPS over wi-fi and sometimes I catch some crazy lag. I am using Samsung or MetroPCS version of hotspot software. Also now that I am rooted can I stop paying the $5 or $10 a month and still make a usable hotspot for my PS3 gaming?
Thanks so much for anyone willing to take the time to answer.
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:good: Hi XDA Community. First I want to say thank you to all the devs, programmers, technical people, and anyone that helps out with XDA. It's a real treasure for Android users. I am a noob pretty much regarding Android however I pick up fast. Recently I rooted my phone and it just isnt what I expected, I guess I imagined my device turning into a super-cellphone or something. Anyway I've picked up some rooted apps (Tuners, Titanium, etc) however I really don't know enough about Android to go around playing. I have a few questions maybe someone would take the time to answer. Thanks.
1. I play a social game on my phone and it has a really clumsy way of switching between accounts. I'd like to have two instances of the game instead of one, where each instance launches a different account. Is this possible?
2. Is there any widget or button where I could manually switch my processor from underclock to maximum power without delving into a program? Also a switch between max screen brightness and minimum screen brightness would be nice.
3. How can I find out more about Android and various apps services and processes? I can't sort through them to disable them if I dont know what they are. I would like to delete any bloatware from my carrier. I favor a very lite load on my phone that conserves battery because all I really do is make calls, text, and play few games at this moment.
4. Last one ... I have to pay $5 or $10 a month to enable 4g hotspot capability on my phone. Is there any difference between software that make the hotspot because I'm playing a FPS over wi-fi and sometimes I catch some crazy lag. I am using Samsung or MetroPCS version of hotspot software. Also now that I am rooted can I stop paying the $5 or $10 a month and still make a usable hotspot for my PS3 gaming?
Thanks so much for anyone willing to take the time to answer.
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I may not be entirely correct, however I am doind my best to help:
1. I think this is possible with Android 4.2.2 onwards with the Users feature, however I cannot confirm this because I am on 4.1.2.
2. I think Voltage Control will work for this. Find it in Play Store.
3. This can be done, but the process is really hit and miss. Generally you shouldn't touch any package that has "com." at the start of its name. Also all Google apps. For the rest, all you need is common sense.
4. T-Mobile, as far as I know, has disabled free tethering on Samsung devices recently. However, I have also heard that your tethering will still work if you tether to other Android devices. Use a user-agent switcher plugin for your PC browser to mask your PC as an Android device if you are tethering to PC. You can also try FoxFi.
Other devs or users, if you are reading this, please confirm if what I have said is true.
I hope I helped
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Thanks for setting me in the right direction aureljared. I feel stupid because I don't see a thank button but I will keep looking for it. I am also on 4.1.2 so if anyone knows of a way to do #1 with my version of Android please let me know. OK, I will check out Voltage Control. My phone is terrible on battery. If I am doing something for like 10 minutes I will drain like 10% battery! About number 3, how can you tell if something is an ad or snooper process coming from installing another app? #4 Yes T-Mobile and MetroPCS have disabled free tethering and charge us now for it. They are basically the same service. And I will check out FoxFi. Thanks alot!!
Also, if anyone needs help rooting Samsung Galaxy Exhibit (SGH599N) I know how to do it. Post here and I will help you.
I don't know how many more times my desk will survive due to me banging my head against it...
It's a long story which I will cut short; we have bought a large number of cheap handsets (Nuu A3L, spec sheet here: https://www.devicespecifications.com/en/model/4fc6428b ) and they're using Sygic truck as their navigation tool.
We straight away ran into some major issues, the main one being with Sygic/GPS. The devices would begin navigating but would then start to lose GPS signal and start bouncing around, sometimes they would recover (only to do the same thing again a few minutes later) and other times they would just lose GPS connectivity entirely and would lock up for 10+ minutes.
After seeing how poorly the application ran on these devices I had a hunch that the application was hogging every last drop of available system resource. I removed as much bloat from the application as possible, I turned off the 3D map (2D is much more fluid), turned off all POI, turned off traffic updates etc and it appeared to resolve the issue. I drove for 30 minutes with two devices side-by-side, the default one continued with its horrid GPS loss while the customised one worked fine.
A few people have taken these out today to test, but are apparently having the same issues regardless of the changes that I made.
I'm now at a loss and struggling to work out what else can be done to help. They're running Airwatch and we can push remote changes out at any time, so I am at the mercy of those more knowledgeable than I (you).
If anybody has a decent suggestion then you win a free balloon.
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I don't know how many more times my desk will survive due to me banging my head against it...
It's a long story which I will cut short; we have bought a large number of cheap handsets (Nuu A3L, spec sheet here: https://www.devicespecifications.com/en/model/4fc6428b ) and they're using Sygic truck as their navigation tool.
We straight away ran into some major issues, the main one being with Sygic/GPS. The devices would begin navigating but would then start to lose GPS signal and start bouncing around, sometimes they would recover (only to do the same thing again a few minutes later) and other times they would just lose GPS connectivity entirely and would lock up for 10+ minutes.
After seeing how poorly the application ran on these devices I had a hunch that the application was hogging every last drop of available system resource. I removed as much bloat from the application as possible, I turned off the 3D map (2D is much more fluid), turned off all POI, turned off traffic updates etc and it appeared to resolve the issue. I drove for 30 minutes with two devices side-by-side, the default one continued with its horrid GPS loss while the customised one worked fine.
A few people have taken these out today to test, but are apparently having the same issues regardless of the changes that I made.
I'm now at a loss and struggling to work out what else can be done to help. They're running Airwatch and we can push remote changes out at any time, so I am at the mercy of those more knowledgeable than I (you).
If anybody has a decent suggestion then you win a free balloon.
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Let me be clear that I never played with sygix enough to speak directly about it. You may have already tried the things I'm brainstorming here.
I'm not clear as to why you didn't just load a different mapping app on these? There certainly are a lot of them.
What level of connectivity are they using? If you are on GSM or 3G, downloading map information as the vehicle moves around, that could slow things down to a crawl. Using an app that doesn't have to work this way could be a solution.
I noticed that the phone has a 500ish MHz clock speed and just 1 GB of RAM. As you've discovered, every layer of complexity in the mapping will slow it down further.
Something like Tom-tom was written to run on a lot less hardware. That's the kind of thing that I'd look for. I believe that Here is also made for very low end hardware.
Not sure if it helps, but at least it's a path worth looking at.
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