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So coming from the world of iPad.. yeah yeah, groan, another one of these, haha... I find that there's a big gap that Samsung\Android\Google has in the following areas when it comes to apps for tablet:
- Lack of an easy way to sort by "tablet optimized" ... the market has a Tablet featured section, but it doesn't seem to be able to search and sort by tablet only apps. This is very difficult to navigate.
- The term HD used to mean tablet optimized, but it seems this is becoming less and less common as some phones are now "HD" so the developers are more and more reluctant to call them HD to mean Tablet Edition.
Does anyone have any advice for me as to a good way to sort through and find apps specifically designed for the Tablet devices? I have the 10.1 so obviously the tablet apps are kinda a must, otherwise my eyes hurt looking at the low-res conversions of phone apps, haha.
Or is there a tracker that tracks Android TABLET Versions of apps available and as they come out?
There is a thread in the xoom or transformer forum that is keeping track of tablet compatible apps.
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There is a thread in the xoom or transformer forum that is keeping track of tablet compatible apps.
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No link? (usually it's customary to provide the link when referencing another forum)... kinda gives credibility to the comment, hehe.
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No link?
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bella92108 said:
Entitlement in this country is so strange
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Way to try and boost your post count. Congrats on posting the most worthless post of the day. You clearly need to look up the word entitlement and educate yourself as to what's entitlement and what's not.
Oh by the way, I just found a website selling the Galaxy Tab 10.1 32 GB models for $529... wanna know the link? Oh, it's on google, or yahoo or somewhere.
The point is when someone asks a question, and you take the time to respond, it's generally the norm that if you're are going to point them in the direction in the name of being helpful, that you indicate a location of a thread.. Saying they thought they saw something, maybe in the xoom, maybe in the transformer thread, that narrows it down to only about 2500 threads. Common sense. If you don't know an answer it's OK to say I DONT KNOW, or say nothing at all.
A smart man keeps his mouth shut when he doesn't know an answer.
EDIT - I just did a review of your last 10 posts. Every one you argue for the sake of arguing, providing zero benefit to any of the 150 conversations you've participated in over the past 4 years.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1032381
Took about one minute to find
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Ahh, yes, I've read this post before and was afraid that's what that user was referring to.
Unfortunately the question I asked was not which apps are COMPATIBLE with Android 3.1\Galaxy Tab, but that are in fact optimized for Galaxy Tab.
Sorry I thought I was clear. I understand most apps will run and be compatible with 3.1. but their resolution is poor ... so I was more looking for info as to if there is a thread where someone is keeping track of native tablet apps as they're released.
Thanks!
EDIT: I re-read my OP, and I was clear that I wasn't looking for a "compatible app" list as most apps are in fact compatible, but in fact looking for tablet-optimized\specific apps.
if you read that thread, you would see that there is a green asterisk next to all apps that are optimized for tablet viewing. Honestly, someone has to do the work of compiling these lists...if you're unhappy with what's available, create one!
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if you read that thread, you would see that there is a green asterisk next to all apps that are optimized for tablet viewing. Honestly, someone has to do the work of compiling these lists...if you're unhappy with what's available, create one!
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Yeah, was going to create one of the apps as I find them, but no need to reinvent the wheel until I've asked if anyone has already, hehe.
I'll open a thread in the general or apps section under galaxy tab 10.1
I had that same question and I wrote to someone at the Android Market and this is the response I got:
"Thank you for your feedback. The ‘Android Apps for Tablets’ section contains featured apps for the tablet. As you’ve mentioned, it isn’t a comprehensive listing of all apps that are designed for your Honeycomb tablet.
If an app is listed in the Android Market accessed from the tablet, the developer of the app has indicated that it is compatible with your device.
I appreciate your feedback regarding the labeling of this section and will forward it to the rest of the Android team."
I had asked about apps optimized for tablets/honeycomb...but regardless of what I asked, the above is the response I got.
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I had that same question and I wrote to someone at the Android Market and this is the response I got:
"Thank you for your feedback. The ‘Android Apps for Tablets’ section contains featured apps for the tablet. As you’ve mentioned, it isn’t a comprehensive listing of all apps that are designed for your Honeycomb tablet.
If an app is listed in the Android Market accessed from the tablet, the developer of the app has indicated that it is compatible with your device.
I appreciate your feedback regarding the labeling of this section and will forward it to the rest of the Android team."
I had asked about apps optimized for tablets/honeycomb...but regardless of what I asked, the above is the response I got.
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They don't seem to see value in their own new OS. The biggest anti-android tablet marketing tool Apple is using is "look, they don't even have apps for tablet" and when Android hides them or doesn't give option to show they do have tablet-optimized apps, it makes Apple look right.
1. First I highly suggest you install AppBrain as you'll get a lot more detail from there about apps. Visit appbrain.com and you will see what I mean. It gives you the links to the Android marketplace so you won't have to install unknown apks.
2. Sorry about the people on the forum. Sometimes people can be testy about newbies and their questions. Feel free to PM me with any questions. It takes a while to get the hang of things but the core Android supporters are pretty good at finding things for themselves. We've had plenty of practice.
3. Don't be afraid to start threads about things like this. Most of us don't pay attention to little things like this. To you, this a big thing and I can see it might turn alot of people away from Android tablets if they don't fix it. Perhaps a petition or thousands of e-mails will get their attention.
4. All of the apps I have installed (152) look great. Which ones are you having problems with? E-mail the developers and let us know as well so we can test them out. If they suck, we could all give the developers some feedback on it.
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1. First I highly suggest you install AppBrain as you'll get a lot more detail from there about apps. Visit appbrain.com and you will see what I mean. It gives you the links to the Android marketplace so you won't have to install unknown apks.
2. Sorry about the people on the forum. Sometimes people can be testy about newbies and their questions. Feel free to PM me with any questions. It takes a while to get the hang of things but the core Android supporters are pretty good at finding things for themselves. We've had plenty of practice.
3. Don't be afraid to start threads about things like this. Most of us don't pay attention to little things like this. To you, this a big thing and I can see it might turn alot of people away from Android tablets if they don't fix it. Perhaps a petition or thousands of e-mails will get their attention.
4. All of the apps I have installed (152) look great. Which ones are you having problems with? E-mail the developers and let us know as well so we can test them out. If they suck, we could all give the developers some feedback on it.
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Oh I completely forgot about Appbrain Thanks And thanks for offering to help. I appreciate it.
There are very few apps that don't work... in fact, I haven't run into any that don't work, I was more asking because for example when comparing an app like Stock Alert - Tablet Edition to an app like Fidelity which doesn't have a tablet app (well they have iPad but not Android 3.1 tab yet), I more meant I just like the ones that are specifically made to take advantage of the tablet's great screen size.
Thanks again, you're class all the way, your response picked me up and made my day. I appreciate it.
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I had that same question and I wrote to someone at the Android Market and this is the response I got:
"Thank you for your feedback. The ‘Android Apps for Tablets’ section contains featured apps for the tablet. As you’ve mentioned, it isn’t a comprehensive listing of all apps that are designed for your Honeycomb tablet.
If an app is listed in the Android Market accessed from the tablet, the developer of the app has indicated that it is compatible with your device.
I appreciate your feedback regarding the labeling of this section and will forward it to the rest of the Android team."
I had asked about apps optimized for tablets/honeycomb...but regardless of what I asked, the above is the response I got.
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Let's say it this way. If the Android Market doesn't have a up to date tablet/honeycomb section, it is very difficult for developers to develop tablet optimized apps. Because, why investing in this new platform when you get buried between the 400.000 apps currently on the market?
It's the first section that's on the market's main page... how is it hard to find or view apps marked as tablet friendly?
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It's the first section that's on the market's main page... how is it hard to find or view apps marked as tablet friendly?
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I guess it is even harder to comprehend the word "featured"
Agreed. When visiting the app store on an iPad, there are two very distinct sections, iPhone apps and iPad apps. Everyone knows that the phone apps will run on the tablet, but that's not a reason to lump them all together.
I think the use case is something like this:
1. I need a nice twitter client.
2. Check tablet section for twitter client.
3. If none found, settle for phone version.
Obviously the tablet version (like Tweetcomb) will use fragments to utilize the screen real estate. A phone client would not. The problem with not seperating the app market properly is that you may end up settling for a Honeycomb "compatible" app when there was a much more useful "designed for Honeycomb" app you didn't notice.
I hope I'm wrong, but I feel like people here are hesitant to accept some of these flaws as they try to justify their $500-$600 purchase. I for one love my Tab, if merely for the widget capability and Flash support. We need to realize that the way to bring Android tablets more mainstream is to take our heads out of the sand, accept that these are real issues, and make it known to the powers at be. Ignoring the problems and pretending that all is well with the Honeycomb ecosystem just won't work.
Edit: If Apple isn't too proud to copy Android's multitasking ability, notification system, etc to make a superior product; Android shouldn't hesitate to do the same where it makes sense. It's just good business, and even better for consumers.
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Agreed. When visiting the app store on an iPad, there are two very distinct sections, iPhone apps and iPad apps. Everyone knows that the phone apps will run on the tablet, but that's not a reason to lump them all together.
I think the use case is something like this:
1. I need a nice twitter client.
2. Check tablet section for twitter client.
3. If none found, settle for phone version.
Obviously the tablet version (like Tweetcomb) will use fragments to utilize the screen real estate. A phone client would not. The problem with not seperating the app market properly is that you may end up settling for a Honeycomb "compatible" app when there was a much more useful "designed for Honeycomb" app you didn't notice.
I hope I'm wrong, but I feel like people here are hesitant to accept some of these flaws as they try to justify their $500-$600 purchase. I for one love my Tab, if merely for the widget capability and Flash support. We need to realize that the way to bring Android tablets more mainstream is to take our heads out of the sand, accept that these are real issues, and make it known to the powers at be. Ignoring the problems and pretending that all is well with the Honeycomb ecosystem just won't work.
Edit: If Apple isn't too proud to copy Android's multitasking ability, notification system, etc to make a superior product; Android shouldn't hesitate to do the same where it makes sense. It's just good business, and even better for consumers.
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Totally agree with you Blaine. There's no reason why they can't use the exact same structure and call it something else. Apple is taking features like BBM and now Google is working on their own. The market is getting better but it should be further along now.
I wonder how we as consumers can get this message across. I try using other App Markets but I would really like the Google Marketplace to get with the program. They should at least require them to put HD in the title or market them with a special color.
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It's the first section that's on the market's main page... how is it hard to find or view apps marked as tablet friendly?
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Not here in Europe. There is nothing that even remotely refer to such a category or section.
http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/?hl=en_US
We should all e-mail the Android Market support team and tell them of this. I'm going to link to this thread in my correspondence.
Hello all!
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I'm a fellow Nexus 10 owner. I love my device, but I'm a bit tired of facing applications that are low-resolution and unoptimized for the incredible display we have on the Nexus 10. Even tablet-optimized apps are lacking. Aren't you frustrated? Hence, I thought we could do something about it as a community.
Which is the purpose of this thread!
Here's how it will work. This first post will serve as a compilation of all the petitions made to any and all developers to optimize their applications for tablets, and also the Nexus 10's display. Any subsequent posts in this thread shall be for petition requests and discussion, which I will personally put together and post up to the petition site being used for this purpose (Care2 as of this thread's posting). I will then add a direct link to that petition to this thread, sorted by category. Feel free to make any suggestions or to criticize! I will also start us off with a petition I have already created myself: to the developers of the Bloons TD series of games, Ninja Kiwi.
I'll try to keep things simple! Keep on topic, please, and try your best to sign each and every petition. Its the only way we'll be able to actually push developers to optimize their applications for tablets like ours! So, without further ado, let us begin!
Petition List
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Bloons TD 5 - Optimize Bloons TD 5 for Android Tablets
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Facebook - Optimize Facebook for Android Tablets
Instagram - Optimize Instagram for Android Tablets
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This is likely Google's job, not ours. In any event, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are three that immediately spring to mind. Not because they are low resolution -- not sure what you mean there -- but because the layouts are so clearly designed for smaller screens. I shouldn't have to opt for Friendcaster, Tabstagram, and Plume.
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This is likely Google's job, not ours. In any event, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are three that immediately spring to mind. Not because they are low resolution -- not sure what you mean there -- but because the layouts are so clearly designed for smaller screens. I shouldn't have to opt for Friendcaster, Tabstagram, and Plume.
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No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
A dedicated Facebook app should be a priority. My mate has an iPad and I found myself looking longingly at the sickness of the dedicated app. Something needs to be done to put a stop to this sick perversion!
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This is likely Google's job, not ours.
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I would tend to agree with Brees on this one, which you could probably guess. I think Brees put it excellently!
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No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
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Its the job of the application developers to get out proper apps. Google has done TONS of work already. Now we need to show these guys that we, the users, actually care about proper tablet applications, and that it is worth the investment.
Thats why I created this thread - if we don't do something about it, no-one will! I'm going to try to get as many signatures as possible, and I'm going to spread this thread across multiple forums if necessary. AndroidTablets.net springs to mind.
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A dedicated Facebook app should be a priority. My mate has an iPad and I found myself looking longingly at the sickness of the dedicated app. Something needs to be done to put a stop to this sick perversion!
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Exactly! I'm tired of this sort of thing. This needs to be put to a stop. I'll create the petition.
Like previously said all those social apps need optimization for sure. And the xda app needs optimization. I think there's an HD version but it costs money
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No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
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I would tend to agree with Brees on this one, which you could probably guess. I think Brees put it excellently!Its the job of the application developers to get out proper apps. Google has done TONS of work already. Now we need to show these guys that we, the users, actually care about proper tablet applications, and that it is worth the investment.
Thats why I created this thread - if we don't do something about it, no-one will! I'm going to try to get as many signatures as possible, and I'm going to spread this thread across multiple forums if necessary. AndroidTablets.net springs to mind.
Exactly! I'm tired of this sort of thing. This needs to be put to a stop. I'll create the petition.
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You'll excuse me if I seem overly cynical about this. I used to be a BlackBerry user. Well over two years ago, some folks on Crackberry launched a campaign to bombard Reid Hastings, the president of Netflix, with email to get Netflix on the BlackBerry platform (the OS 6 devices like the Torch had then fairly recently come out). If you are familiar with Crackberry, you know that they are a rabid, fanatical horde. Nothing happened. Then came the petitions -- change.org and the like. They are still going on more than two years plus later, and despite the fact that BlackBerry now has quite decent phones and a decent OS in BB10, there is still no Netflix on the platform.
EDIT: Holy! I already have 4 signatures for Facebook on Android Tablets and I haven't even posted it anywhere yet! That shows something.
C'mon guys, I'll post it up in the main thread. Vote for it now!
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You'll excuse me if I seem overly cynical about this. I used to be a BlackBerry user. Well over two years ago, some folks on Crackberry launched a campaign to bombard Reid Hastings, the president of Netflix, with email to get Netflix on the BlackBerry platform (the OS 6 devices like the Torch had then fairly recently come out). If you are familiar with Crackberry, you know that they are a rabid, fanatical horde. Nothing happened. Then came the petitions -- change.org and the like. They are still going on more than two years plus later, and despite the fact that BlackBerry now has quite decent phones and a decent OS in BB10, there is still no Netflix on the platform.
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I think your points make sense, but they aren't a valid reason really to cause Netflix to develop for BB10. The marketshare simply isn't there.
With Android, however, the market has shown that it is a valid platform (and I hate to say that as if it was an option - c'mon. ANDROID IS AWESOME! ); it makes sense for them to update, and it only helps us out. We need to show them that we actually CARE. If they understand that, then they will update for us without question. If they have any business sense, that is.
Same with BB10 (which is, quite frankly, a very nice OS - it even has NFC Beaming support between BB and Android devices). If they had the market AND Crackberry screaming like it was/is, they would get a proper app quite quickly.
This deserved a quick update post: the petitions for Facebook and Instagram are now online. Facebook already has a few votes!
I just signed Facebook one.
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What's the address part for?
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What's the address part for?
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So that you can be stalked lol. No need to put you real address I made one up and it didn't even check if it was right
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What's the address part for?
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Yeah, what abdel said lol.
Its mostly to confirm that you're a real person with a real place to live, that kinda stuff.
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EDIT: Holy! I already have 4 signatures for Facebook on Android Tablets and I haven't even posted it anywhere yet! That shows something.
C'mon guys, I'll post it up in the main thread. Vote for it now!
I think your points make sense, but they aren't a valid reason really to cause Netflix to develop for BB10. The marketshare simply isn't there.
With Android, however, the market has shown that it is a valid platform (and I hate to say that as if it was an option - c'mon. ANDROID IS AWESOME! ); it makes sense for them to update, and it only helps us out. We need to show them that we actually CARE. If they understand that, then they will update for us without question. If they have any business sense, that is.
Same with BB10 (which is, quite frankly, a very nice OS - it even has NFC Beaming support between BB and Android devices). If they had the market AND Crackberry screaming like it was/is, they would get a proper app quite quickly.
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BB's problem is definitely rooted in market share, something that Android in general obviously has no problem with. But the numbers dwindle considerably when you're talking about Android tablet market share, and then on top of that, you've got to consider how many Android tablet users really care that there are some apps that are just scaled up phone versions. Apple cared enough to do something about it -- remember that was one of the criticisms of the first iPad, i.e., that it seemed just like a oversized iPod. Google has not been responsive on this front (nor on others for that matter).
Anyway, I don't want to discourage anyone, so have at it.
Signed them all and subscribed to thread, will check daily to check for new petitions
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BB's problem is definitely rooted in market share, something that Android in general obviously has no problem with. But the numbers dwindle considerably when you're talking about Android tablet market share, and then on top of that, you've got to consider how many Android tablet users really care that there are some apps that are just scaled up phone versions. Apple cared enough to do something about it -- remember that was one of the criticisms of the first iPad, i.e., that it seemed just like a oversized iPod. Google has not been responsive on this front (nor on others for that matter).
Anyway, I don't want to discourage anyone, so have at it.
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Don't worry, you're not discouraging (me, at least).
Android Tablet market share has been steadily on the rise - in fact, it rivals the iPad. According to many statistics, they are slated to pass (if they have not already) Apple devices in tablet market share by the 3rd quarter. I listed 3 (or 4?) links in all of the petitions.
As for Google, they have been doing a great job lately. They added dedicated tablet sections to Google Play, and have been pushing developers to adhere to the guidelines constantly. I say keep up that pressure!
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Signed them all and subscribed to thread, will check daily to check for new petitions
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Thanks! We need more people like you here. Keep it up!
As for everyone else, keep an eye out for new petitions; and, most importantly of all:
SIGN THEM!!!!
We have hundreds of views on this thread, yet most people don't seem to want to take 60 seconds and sign the petitions, oddly enough. And this is a Nexus 10 forum. Keep it up, anyway! We CAN do this with enough time.
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One of these days I plan to actually try to learn some Android development; I'll be sure to make whatever apps I make optimized for the N10 though :good:
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Just a company who thought they could add Google play without permission. Google will shoot down their request and people will have to sideload like we do on gg
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...you're on XDA. And you're worried about play store access.
I reiterate...
...you're on XDA? And worried about play store access?
I'll make something that roots the device and sideloads the app store and google services all in one button. Don't worry your pretty little head. If that's the only thing they get wrong, then it's still the best device to date.
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...you're on XDA. And you're worried about play store access.
I reiterate...
...you're on XDA? And worried about play store access?
I'll make something that roots the device and sideloads the app store and google services all in one button. Don't worry your pretty little head. If that's the only thing they get wrong, then it's still the best device to date.
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That's not my point! They lied to the consumer and cannot be trusted as a whole. They have been funded on kickstarter based on a lie, not just a small lie, but a giant fraudulent, refund my $ you bastards sized lie.
Root or no root, they sold it as a Google Play store accessible device. And it isn't!
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That's not my point! They lied to the consumer and cannot be trusted as a whole. They have been funded on kickstarter based on a lie, not just a small lie, but a giant fraudulent, refund my $ you bastards sized lie.
Root or no root, they sold it as a Google Play store accessible device. And it isn't!
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They're still working on it, actually, and my understanding is that no 240x240 screen sized device will be capable of supporting it under android 4.3, so they may have it out when they update to 4.3, pending Google's say-so.
So a device that does not have certification for a version of Android that doesn't even exist yet is a fraud?
As far as it not coming on the Android 4.2.2 version, that was public knowledge back in early September.
Oh BTW
"While all efforts are made to ensure timely completion of software functions, software development too can have unforseeable delays which may result in software functions being delivered in an update after a product has shipped."
On the Omate KS page since Aug 21st 2013
Hell. At least they updated you about it vs threatening folks publicly when ever anybody brought up any real issues.
BAWWWWWWWWWW QQ more. This isn't new knowledge and you're an idiot for thinking a company is a fraud because they hit a hiccup they didn't count on when bringing their product to the US.
This is XDA. You're complaining in the wrong place.
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That's not my point! They lied to the consumer and cannot be trusted as a whole. They have been funded on kickstarter based on a lie, not just a small lie, but a giant fraudulent, refund my $ you bastards sized lie.
Root or no root, they sold it as a Google Play store accessible device. And it isn't!
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Are you serious?!? Name at least one crowdfunding campaign that treated their backers with as much respect, which had as many detailed updates, which had stayed on schedule, which has worked so hard around the globe? They came up front about Play store hiccup and even offered an alternative of another on-line store until they will resolve licensing issue with Google (which btw they are working on actively).
I don't understand everyone defending this "upfront" action they decided to take after a Google exec put the kabash on the Play store on this device last week. But I work for a manufacturer of medical devices and if we advertise something to be in our product it has to be there or we would get our assess sued into bankruptcy. My point was that they should have never advertised the device as a Google Play store capable device if they didn't have all their ducks in a row. Business wise, it's unethical and in other markets even criminal.
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Probably because we aren't assholes.
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Probably because we aren't assholes.
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No need for name calling man. I'm just trying to wrap my head around this situation.
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I wasn't calling you one. I will say none of your posts indicated you were trying to understand this so much as belittling those who don't agree with you.
If you want to discuss it, let's discuss it. Don't patronize people.
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I wasn't calling you one. I will say none of your posts indicated you were trying to understand this so much as belittling those who don't agree with you.
If you want to discuss it, let's discuss it. Don't patronize people.
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I certainly was not trying to belittle anyone in the XDA universe.
But the solution of sideloading the Play Store apk is unsettling to me. I own an OUYA and was an early adopter of one of the first Android tablets, the Viewsonic G-book. I have also been rooting and roming since the DROID 1. While ROMS and sideloading is great, it's just unstable and in some situations becomes a full-time job of keeping up with updates and fixes.
I love messing with my devices as much as anyone else here, but for once I'd like to just buy an Android device that I didn't feel the need to have to change in someway, and spending upwards to $300 on an Android device in 2013 with its fair amount of promises should deliver on them.
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I agree with you completely and feel the same way but we need to draw the line here at calling it fraud.
I'm comfortable enough with side loading that it isn't an issue but the developer model is what is being discussed. November 30th is a long ways away in shipping terms and until they definitively say no I just think it's better not to get up in arms about it. Let them do their thing. Believe me when I say that if they screw this up they will sink.
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kevinb77 said:
I don't understand everyone defending this "upfront" action they decided to take after a Google exec put the kabash on the Play store on this device last week.
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ORLY. AGAIN, the play store (Google Services) issue was a matter of public knowledge for over a month.
kevinb77 said:
My point was that they should have never advertised the device as a Google Play store capable device if they didn't have all their ducks in a row. Business wise, it's unethical and in other markets even criminal.
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Should they have removed the mention of Play Store being included back in early Sept? In my opinion yes. The release that recently came out should have also been done back then as well. "unethical"? Maybe. Criminal? No. The disclaimer that was a the bottom of their KS since day one covers their ass. Period, end of story, thanks for playing.
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I agree with you completely and feel the same way but we need to draw the line here at calling it fraud.
I'm comfortable enough with side loading that it isn't an issue but the developer model is what is being discussed. November 30th is a long ways away in shipping terms and until that definitively say no I just think it's better not to get up in arms about it. Let them do their thing. Believe me when I say that if they screw this up they will sink.
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All the KS units are in the clear. The pre-orders may be another matter.
In my book, the campaign of AI Watch is fraudulent. Regarding Omate, I have a pretty good feeling that even if they would have published this disclaimer while campaign was active - they still would have gotten as much supporters/backers because for a lot of the people not including Google play store is not a show stopper. With a ways around it (sideloading), and alternative store, and active updates about working with Google to resolve this officially, I still say they built a strong community trust.
Btw, with Google planning to release their own smartwatch and probably a pressure from tanking Gear, something tells me there are political reasons for Google to continue delaying their decision. Just my conspiracy theory
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In my book, the campaign of AI Watch is fraudulent.
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At least Omate have admitted that Google Play support won't be there out the box, unlike AI Smartwatch, which is in the same position. They are still giving the impression it comes with Play store.
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...you're on XDA. And you're worried about play store access.
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I think its really funny how people are complaining so much about it. i mean i am disappointed my self as its part of why i've pre ordered the 8gb 1gb omate truesmart but it wasn't the main reason the main reason is because its the best smart watch there is so far. I'm no programmer but I can still install apps etc so it wont be too hard for people to install them, them self's once someone provides us with them to install.
as for no smart watches coming with play store i have the omate prototype on my wrist right now (re-branded as simvalley aw-414.go) and it has play store built into the rom. i know because i factory reset it and it was still there. that being said i hope they make an update for the one I'm wearing right now as it has some terrible bugs on the ui that make it not so good for using some apps show multiple copy's of their icons and you can not remove any of them without uninstalling said apps, after you put so many apps on it some start to vanish and can only be seen if you search for them, it looks like they tried hybrid the app drawer and the home screens as their is no home screens so no widgets or only showing apps you want to see. it also has folders but their useless as you can only put 3 apps in them. it becomes useless if i install a different launcher to fix the other issues. do you think omate firmware would work on it ? because the firmware thats on it says omate_hw2.0_20130923.1 and the model number says omate too.
if someone releases firmware for it that works properly it would be not so bad and very similar to the lower spec omate internals wise? as it seems to be reasonable for its specs if you ignore those software bugs that should have been fixed before release.
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I think its really funny how people are complaining so much about it. i mean i am disappointed my self as its part of why i've pre ordered the 8gb 1gb omate truesmart but it wasn't the main reason the main reason is because its the best smart watch there is so far. I'm no programmer but I can still install apps etc so it wont be too hard for people to install them, them self's once someone provides us with them to install.
as for no smart watches coming with play store i have the omate prototype on my wrist right now (re-branded as simvalley aw-414.go) and it has play store built into the rom. i know because i factory reset it and it was still there. that being said i hope they make an update for the one I'm wearing right now as it has some terrible bugs on the ui that make it not so good for using some apps show multiple copy's of their icons and you can not remove any of them without uninstalling said apps, after you put so many apps on it some start to vanish and can only be seen if you search for them, it looks like they tried hybrid the app drawer and the home screens as their is no home screens so no widgets or only showing apps you want to see. it also has folders but their useless as you can only put 3 apps in them. it becomes useless if i install a different launcher to fix the other issues. do you think omate firmware would work on it ? because the firmware thats on it says omate_hw2.0_20130923.1 and the model number says omate too.
if someone releases firmware for it that works properly it would be not so bad and very similar to the lower spec omate internals wise? as it seems to be reasonable for its specs if you ignore those software bugs that should have been fixed before release.
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I'm sure if it doesn't work right out of the box, we can make you a rom from the Omate that will work quite easily.
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I'm sure if it doesn't work right out of the box, we can make you a rom from the Omate that will work quite easily.
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It does not sadly. I mean its still useable but the issues it does have make it not very good to use so it really needs a rom that works properly.
the rom thats on it is custom build version: OMATE_HW2.0_20130923.115849 and the model number is listed as OMATE.
but yeah I'd be really grateful if someone does make a custom rom for it that works properly and tells me which google play store version to install and were to get the apk etc, I'm also guessing they would need to make a rooting app for it too so it could be flashed tho right?
I have tried Evernote and it's just "ehhh" to me. Want a great note taking app that I can sync with my computer and phone preferably. Thanks in advance to anyone that can help/suggest things!!
Evernote!
What exactly does it lack for you?
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Evernote!
What exactly does it lack for you?
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Joe0113 said:
I have tried Evernote and it's just "ehhh" to me. Want a great note taking app that I can sync with my computer and phone preferably. Thanks in advance to anyone that can help/suggest things!!
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+1 for Evernote.
From a syncing and editing perspective, you'll be hard pressed find a more seamless app.
Google Docs + Google Drive is another alternative, though involves more than you'd probably like simply to take and sync notes.
Personnaly, I use JotterPadX, which is really great for taking notes, and supports sync with Dropbox !
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Google Drive is overkill (and, in terms of privacy, highly suspicious).
Rosa Elefant said:
Google Drive is overkill (and, in terms of privacy, highly suspicious).
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lol....
Welp, when you make the commitment to using a phone that runs an O/S highly dependent upon making use of Google services and integration, you choose to accept that more often than not, many apps and features are going to be considered overkill.
"lol".
1. No one is forced to use Google services on Android.
2. I prefer apps which follow the "one tool - one purpose" paradigm, and I've been able to find a lot of them over the last few months.
"lololol".
Get your facts straight.
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"lol".
1. No one is forced to use Google services on Android.
2. I prefer apps which follow the "one tool - one purpose" paradigm, and I've been able to find a lot of them over the last few months.
"lololol".
Get your facts straight.
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Agree with you, we don't have to be Google slaves. Google knows almost everything but that's not a reason to say " Ok Google, spy all my data with all your services ". There's a lot of apps which are maybe less performant, or with less features, but which respect as much as possible our privacy.
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Rosa Elefant said:
"lol".
1. No one is forced to use Google services on Android.
2. I prefer apps which follow the "one tool - one purpose" paradigm, and I've been able to find a lot of them over the last few months.
"lololol".
Get your facts straight.
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Not sure where you assumed I insinuated that anyone is "forced" to use Google services, and equally puzzled as to the rude nature of your response. Particularly considering that I was in agreement w/ you on using Evernote AND agreement that Google Drive (amongst other services) are in fact overkill. My response to your resistance to using Google Drive was simply that Google and overkill go hand in hand.
The "facts" are that Android, though open source, has a fairly solid Google footprint. Most users are aware of this upon purchasing an Android handset, and are equally aware that Google makes a concerted effort to integrate as many services as they offer as possible. Conversely, most of us XDA'ers are quite aware that we can minimize Google's footprint w/ 3rd party apps and other modifications.
That being said, none of this was the point of the OP's thread. He simply asked a question re: an app, and expected an answer. Not a debate over whether or not privacy is compromised.
In any event, and to avoid the risk of hijacking the OP's thread any more than it already has been, I will respectfully bow out of the conversation.
pwrmedia said:
Not sure where you assumed I insinuated that anyone is "forced" to use Google services
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Explain the "lol" please, if it wasn't for making fun of my statement?
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Explain the "lol" please, if it wasn't for making fun of my statement?
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The "lol" was just that. Simply laughing in my agreement w/ your assessment of Google Drive being considered overkill. Certainly not meant in malice, and apologize if that's the way you took it.
Well, yes, I pretty much did. Thanks for clarification. (Still doesn't invalidate my contra. )
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Well, yes, I pretty much did. Thanks for clarification. (Still doesn't invalidate my contra. )
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No worries, and of course it doesn't.
To OP : What do you feel Evernote lacks when taking notes? May be then we will be able to help you.
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I like onenote for its integration with the office webapps and skydrive. Google Keep for its simplicity.
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To OP : What do you feel Evernote lacks when taking notes? May be then we will be able to help you.
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Hard to explain. I prefer a note taking app that'd be similar to if I was writing it down in a notebook lol. Easily organized and what not and easy to edit, rearrange stuff, etc. Maybe I was using Evernote wrong then?! Haha.
Yes, you obviously were.
Joe0113 said:
Hard to explain. I prefer a note taking app that'd be similar to if I was writing it down in a notebook lol. Easily organized and what not and easy to edit, rearrange stuff, etc. Maybe I was using Evernote wrong then?! Haha.
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.acadoid.lecturenotes&hl=en
How about this? This would work better on a phablet/tablet with a stylus though. It would probably give you the best 'writing down in a notebook experience' if that is what you are looking for.
OP, Do you have a Samsung note? Great note app unfortunately is proprietary t Sammy Notes w/ sPens.
I also use Google Keep for simplicity. Love my Google Drive. Don't care about Google's KNOWITALL theory some suggest here. I also have a tough time with EverNote, of which I consider overkill, but that's just my opinion.
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I have a Sprint Galaxy S4 !
Hi guys,
i have my p40 pro which has ben class but the biggest issue i read about was apps, however i have pretty much all of them on here so i dont understand what the difference and problem is with hms and gms when i have the same apps from my old p30 pro? do they not both run android?
apologies if this is a silly question but im just getting confused as i thought it was just a different app store:laugh:
thanks in advance
JaiHamilton88 said:
Hi guys,
i have my p40 pro which has ben class but the biggest issue i read about was apps, however i have pretty much all of them on here so i dont understand what the difference and problem is with hms and gms when i have the same apps from my old p30 pro? do they not both run android?
apologies if this is a silly question but im just getting confused as i thought it was just a different app store:laugh:
thanks in advance
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What about YouTube, Gmail, Google Maps, Game save data from GMS? i know there are work arounds just wondering how you have found it?
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JaiHamilton88 said:
Hi guys,
i have my p40 pro which has ben class but the biggest issue i read about was apps, however i have pretty much all of them on here so i dont understand what the difference and problem is with hms and gms when i have the same apps from my old p30 pro? do they not both run android?
apologies if this is a silly question but im just getting confused as i thought it was just a different app store:laugh:
thanks in advance
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To answer your question, GMS stands for Google mobile services and HMS is Huawei mobile services. This is what connects your info, cloud storage ect. The best way to look at it is like swapping from an Android phone to an iPhone.
Not a sad jump from Android to Apple... It is not at all the same...
US government tries to save their weird and bullsh.t companies as they are now frighten about Chinese capacities.
For that they forced Google to stop providing GMS to Huawei new device.
This forcing and speeding Huawei to find alternatives which will lead to a sooner death to the US companies ?.
What a good bet ?.
The main thing is that you will not have Gplay, Gdrive, etc... But HMS is growing their catalog for their users.
Everything is not there yet but by searching a bit you will find all apps needed (even those which are using GMS certificate such as Netflix).
Apk Pure is storing lots of Apk apps with different version and some of them are working well and as it should on newer Huawei devices.
The game is lost by the US (just by comparing how many innovations and brevets submitted)
US is far below... And this game will toll the bells earlier and very pleased with it.
JaiHamilton88 said:
Hi guys,
i have my p40 pro which has ben class but the biggest issue i read about was apps, however i have pretty much all of them on here so i dont understand what the difference and problem is with hms and gms when i have the same apps from my old p30 pro? do they not both run android?
apologies if this is a silly question but im just getting confused as i thought it was just a different app store:laugh:
thanks in advance
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Hi, this question is not silly actually. I also have the same doubt. But I think question like this can be asked in the forum of Huawei official website. Believe you can have a quick and precise answer.
chrisftlse said:
Not a sad jump from Android to Apple... It is not at all the same...
US government tries to save their weird and bullsh.t companies as they are now frighten about Chinese capacities.
For that they forced Google to stop providing GMS to Huawei new device.
This forcing and speeding Huawei to find alternatives which will lead to a sooner death to the US companies ?.
What a good bet .
The main thing is that you will not have Gplay, Gdrive, etc... But HMS is growing their catalog for their users.
Everything is not there yet but by searching a bit you will find all apps needed (even those which are using GMS certificate such as Netflix).
Apk Pure is storing lots of Apk apps with different version and some of them are working well and as it should on newer Huawei devices.
The game is lost by the US (just by comparing how many innovations and brevets submitted)
US is far below... And this game will toll the bells earlier and very pleased with it.
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I really don't know why people have made such a big deal of it not having GMS. HMS seems fine to me so far. Just have to use a few work arounds.
JaiHamilton88 said:
Hi guys,
i have my p40 pro which has ben class but the biggest issue i read about was apps, however i have pretty much all of them on here so i dont understand what the difference and problem is with hms and gms when i have the same apps from my old p30 pro? do they not both run android?
apologies if this is a silly question but im just getting confused as i thought it was just a different app store:laugh:
thanks in advance
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google is not android, if you look at ASOP you'll see it was initially created for the purpose of being open sourced however folks got lazy
chrisftlse said:
Not a sad jump from Android to Apple... It is not at all the same...
US government tries to save their weird and bullsh.t companies as they are now frighten about Chinese capacities.
For that they forced Google to stop providing GMS to Huawei new device.
This forcing and speeding Huawei to find alternatives which will lead to a sooner death to the US companies ?.
What a good bet .
The main thing is that you will not have Gplay, Gdrive, etc... But HMS is growing their catalog for their users.
Everything is not there yet but by searching a bit you will find all apps needed (even those which are using GMS certificate such as Netflix).
Apk Pure is storing lots of Apk apps with different version and some of them are working well and as it should on newer Huawei devices.
The game is lost by the US (just by comparing how many innovations and brevets submitted)
US is far below... And this game will toll the bells earlier and very pleased with it.
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perfect mate, thts about as clear a description as ive ever heard.. better than anything i see on the news haha. thank you!
ChrisHtube said:
What about YouTube, Gmail, Google Maps, Game save data from GMS? i know there are work arounds just wondering how you have found it?
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To answer your question, GMS stands for Google mobile services and HMS is Huawei mobile services. This is what connects your info, cloud storage ect. The best way to look at it is like swapping from an Android phone to an iPhone.
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most of the work arounds ive been using is just using the built in apps (Huawei mail, huawei cloud etc) to get what i need from it. majority of everything else i use came from phone clone and petal search with no issues so cant complain, and thank you for the comparison. i get it now haha
dw9075n said:
I really don't know why people have made such a big deal of it not having GMS. HMS seems fine to me so far. Just have to use a few work arounds.
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i agree mate, think its just the news and everything and opinions of others puts doubts to people, especially current huawei users. But ones you get to use one you see the truth to it and the simplicity of having everything you already had before work perfect.
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i agree mate, everyone just wants simplicity now and ease of use, not everyone wants to go around searching for everything they need.
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