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Hey guys, I ran into quite a predicament today. As I was walking to work, I fell something fall out and slide half way across the parking lot. I felt me phone case (the crappy one that came with the phone), looked down on the ground and noticed it was my AWESOME Sprint Touch Pro. With the site of my phone moving in a hockey-like manner, I finished cursing and decided that I don’t want to have such an amazing phone looking like a piece of crap.
So here is where I am at. I need to get this phone fixed. I think that I might have a few options, but I want to know what you guys think. Originally, I bought this phone from a guy of Craigslist; it was $240, if you can believe it. Now, the phone had never been activated, so it was as if I was the original owner. Additionally, I never got a phone from sprint, but I am under contract. That means, according to sprint, that I am eligible for a new to get a new phone at anytime. Thus, I reach my questions and request for opinions.
Option 1 (least likely): Since the phone was never activated, can I still claim the 30-day phone guarantee from sprint? Meaning, can I return the phone as if it was defective?
Option 2 (What I will probably have to do): Should I buy a phone, get the equipment protection plan, and then process my touch pro as a defective phone. This seems like a relatively good idea, because I can get a phone pretty cheap (like the rant) and sell it on Ebay. So in the end, I make money off of this idea. The only down side is that my contract restarts, but I have only been with sprint for about four months. Also, I was going to save my free phone upgrade for next year so I could get a brand spanking new phone.
Option 3 (Don’t want to do this): Suck it up, and get a silicon case that covers the scratches. The scratches are only around the shiny part on the perimeter of the screen, which, by the way, says a lot about the quality of the screen.
Option 4 (Too much trouble): Sell it on eBay for as much as I can, and since it’s probable less than $300, put the rest out of pocket and buy a brand new touch pro from sprint.
Option 5 (Does it exits?): look for replacement housing. Since the phone is new, I don’t know if it’s even out there yet.
Thanks for all your input guys. I really hope to hear from some Sprint Reps or something. Meanwhile, I am going to try to sucker Sprint into helping me out.
P.S Yes, I know what I am doing is unethical, and that the phone is not really defective, thus I should not be returning it as defective.
I think I am having trouble understanding what happened. You have scratched your touch pro that you bought from someone else, I got that.
You never activated the phone on sprint? You should go ahead and put the phone one your account and get insurance immediately!
If you have only been with Sprint for 4 months how are you eligible for an upgrade?
If it is only chrome scratched my TP came like that. Look at the chrome around the keyboard section. At all 3 corners, excluding the Stylus one check for a "Seam" in the chrome, if it has this you can take it in and exchange at a Sprint store.
A scratched phone on Ebay will go for MUCH less than a regular one.
I am not here to tell you whether you are ethical or not, but you should exhaust all options that seem less unethical first before trying to make someone else pay for your mistake. That being said, I think everyone in the world would try to get a new phone for free, so I wouldn't feel too bad.
The phone is activated on sprint, but the person that sold it to me never activated it. It has been only a few days since I activated, can I still add the TEP? And are they going to charger a deductible, cuz they'll charge me $55 to fix it.
I am eligible for an upgrade cuz I never got a phone from sprint.
So if it has some defects I could take it back, even though I have no TEP? Unfortunately, the phone is flawless other than my stupid scratches.
TBH, I don't fell doing this to sprint. They have screwed me over many times over. This would just even it out.
If it is activated just go ahead and get insurance. You can add it anytime. They will charge deductible normally, but instead of telling them its because of scratches tell them you are experiencing poor battery life and that you can't hear anything in the speaker because it sounds like a tin can.
Oh, you never purchased a phone when you switched. I was confused. Thanks for clarification.
Look for those seams, almost every TP has them and they will switch for free without TEP. They are hard to notice but mine has em and I am going to switch soon.
They have screwed me repeatedly and I would be doing the same thing. Haha, I wasn't trying to preach in my post before.
Is there a grace period to get it? I thought it was like 30 days. Yea, I can lie to them, no problem. Though my bat life is amazing. play with it all day and never has died on me.
Can you direct me to a link to where this seams thingy is being discussed, or where the sources where u got this is at. I want to read some on it. Or maybe some pics, I didn't really know where to look.
Yea, well, they decided to renew my contract, and it said they had returned my deposit...I'm definitely going to use that against them.
To be honest, they have messed up so many times, I have only paid my full bill about 2 times.
I Heard my Sprint Rep. say that the insurance can only be added within the first 30 days.
So here is the rub....How do they know when you purchased it? Unfortunately logic would say that the insurance only applies to devices purchased directly from the carrier, but I hope I am wrong.
ramiss said:
I Heard my Sprint Rep. say that the insurance can only be added within the first 30 days.
So here is the rub....How do they know when you purchased it? Unfortunately logic would say that the insurance only applies to devices purchased directly from the carrier, but I hope I am wrong.
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Unless they changed the policy, that's not true. I had a phone for 6 months before I added the insurance online through the My Account feature.
But it's possible that has been changed and no longer do able.
Guys Thanks for all your responses, they are very informative.
So Basically here, I am leaning towards trying to see if I can get insurance added. I don't know how hard of a task this will be, but I hope that they can be persuaded into helping me out.
If not, I will just get a cheap phone and sell it.
Again, I am aware of the ethical lines being crossed, but wit sprint, those lines seem almost unreal.
update (Sorry about the double post):
So to my surprise srpint sent this in an email:
Regarding the call from the technical department, I have forwarded your
concern to the appropriate department.
The handset on the account is under 30 day return period. You can visit
the nearest Sprint store and replace the handset.
Thank you again for contacting Sprint. Have a great day!
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its 30 days from the day you activate the phone...so you can go to a sprint store or call customer service and add insurance
as a tech in a sprint affiliate store i WOULD NOT swap you out for free because of cosmetic damage. So you are looking at paying 50 through Asurion(the insurance company)
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update (Sorry about the double post):
So to my surprise srpint sent this in an email:
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they are full of crap lol
you cant return a phone you never purchased from a sprint store lol
Well, well see. I am going to request a return kit from them, as they said that they would do. If not, then what ever.
BTW, the phone doesn't look like its been dropped or has any cracks. The excuse, "Its been in my pocket with my keys," would fly without a hitch.
We shall see what happens.
Sorry man, haven't been around the Computer. I had insurance on my touch I bought off of ebay. I had ins on my phone before and when I activated the phone it just went ahead and switched it over to my touch. So you should be fine adding it.
You can probably send it to them, but what are they going to give you back? You paid them $0 for the phone, so be careful, that may be what they give you.
Here is the site you requested talking about the chrome seams.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44217&highlight=cracked+chrome
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Sorry man, haven't been around the Computer. I had insurance on my touch I bought off of ebay. I had ins on my phone before and when I activated the phone it just went ahead and switched it over to my touch. So you should be fine adding it.
You can probably send it to them, but what are they going to give you back? You paid them $0 for the phone, so be careful, that may be what they give you.
Here is the site you requested talking about the chrome seams.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44217&highlight=cracked+chrome
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Yea, as I thought, I don't have that problem on my phone.
So if I understand your correctly, you bought a phone from Ebay, and added insurance to it?
Sorry about double post. I just added TEP, took it in. Told them about some errors, no lies. Just some stuff that happens with the phone. Of course I know its normal, but they didn't know that. They gave me a brand new TP, and let me keep the old battery.
I don't know who/what/when/where or how, the power button on Photon is missing? I have never dropped my device, I don't even toss it onto bed!!! I hope I dont get a new phone because it took me over a WEEK, 10 - 14 hours a day to get it like I wanted it!!!
..... cool dude
That sucks bro. Happened to mine too. It's just held on by adhesive tape.
How is this under accessories? How is it under anything really...
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That sucks bro. Happened to mine too. It's just held on by adhesive tape.
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OK, it appears its held on by some glue as I can see the white on the button on the bottom.
@Codee, I put it here becuase if I could (and I cant) find another button, I'd buy it and put it on myself.
Now: I'm a pretty easy going person, i rarely get upset at anything, life is too short. I go to Garden State Plaza to Sprint store to speak to one of the Brightest Minds in America. Her nametag says "Manager" so I know I have the correct person and I'm going to get top notch service!!! I tell her its broken, the power button fell off! The first thing out of her mouth was "Have you had the phone for 30 days or less?" (I will not insult you guys, phone came out August 1st, therefore, this chick cannot count!) After this hiccup, she ask where I got it? (Again, I will not insult you. I treat my toys well and I have insurance, I dont care if I got it in Mississippi, it says "Sprint" on it, you see my insurance on my account, give me a working phone!!!!) After 10 minutes on the phone with "whoever", she tells me I need the box because they need the IMEI #. ITS A BOX, I DONT GIVE A RATS...............I'm going back with box and phone at lunch.
Imei is under the battery too isn't it?
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I will make this short and sweet, I got a new Photon. I'm pissed at the way I got it, but I got it. I could not figure out how to restore from my backup, so I started the pain staking task of putting it back like it was.
Now, I will bring some comedy to this thread!!
If you go to the Evo forum, the Fuze Forum.......any of them. Everyone can tell you I'm anal about my toys. If your here, you likely are too! My phone has special mouse pad to sit on everywhere.
I return to the same store with a guy I work with that used to do mobile support for our company. I talk to the same manager, she asked me the same 30-day question. I just turned around and looked at Will and srugged my shoulders. She then asked me to taked it to the technicians and signin. These 2 clowns come out and look at the phone, then then again ask me the 30-day question! The Photon is your flagship phone, its IMPOSSIBLE for me to have had it longer than 23 days!!! OK, we will replace it!
After 45 minutes, I get the same manager back. She tells me she needs to turn it on to make sure I did not root it. I have rooted/flashed likely 200+ times. Each one I'v done contain 4 things. Disclaimer that it will void your warranty, Instructions on how to Root/Flash, another Disclaimer that BEFORE you return to your carrier, and Instructions on how to un-root/Un-flash? One would think if I'm smart enough to root/flash, I would be smart enough to un-do it? Personally, I dont think she would know if i did or did not (Unless she noticed something like 'Sprint NASCAR" was missing?)
She then preceeds to tell me "This is clearly physical damage?" Again, I just turned and looked at co-worker. I asked her and the technican to find one single nick on that Photon! They tell me they cannot, but it was likely dropped. I say BS, show me.
I got tired of playing and had to get back from lunch. It dont matter, I have TEP and repair, you can't repair it, give me another one or similar phone per this $8.00 monthly TEP. She tells me physical damage is not covered. I say show me? After playing on her computer for 15 minutes, then a phone call, she gave me a new Photon.
Only at Sprint!!! Sad thing is, next year she will likely get promoted to CEO!!!!
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I will make this short and sweet, I got a new Photon. I'm pissed at the way I got it, but I got it. I could not figure out how to restore from my backup, so I started the pain staking task of putting it back like it was.
Now, I will bring some comedy to this thread!!
If you go to the Evo forum, the Fuze Forum.......any of them. Everyone can tell you I'm anal about my toys. If your here, you likely are too! My phone has special mouse pad to sit on everywhere.
I return to the same store with a guy I work with that used to do mobile support for our company. I talk to the same manager, she asked me the same 30-day question. I just turned around and looked at Will and srugged my shoulders. She then asked me to taked it to the technicians and signin. These 2 clowns come out and look at the phone, then then again ask me the 30-day question! The Photon is your flagship phone, its IMPOSSIBLE for me to have had it longer than 23 days!!! OK, we will replace it!
After 45 minutes, I get the same manager back. She tells me she needs to turn it on to make sure I did not root it. I have rooted/flashed likely 200+ times. Each one I'v done contain 4 things. Disclaimer that it will void your warranty, Instructions on how to Root/Flash, another Disclaimer that BEFORE you return to your carrier, and Instructions on how to un-root/Un-flash? One would think if I'm smart enough to root/flash, I would be smart enough to un-do it? Personally, I dont think she would know if i did or did not (Unless she noticed something like 'Sprint NASCAR" was missing?)
She then preceeds to tell me "This is clearly physical damage?" Again, I just turned and looked at co-worker. I asked her and the technican to find one single nick on that Photon! They tell me they cannot, but it was likely dropped. I say BS, show me.
I got tired of playing and had to get back from lunch. It dont matter, I have TEP and repair, you can't repair it, give me another one or similar phone per this $8.00 monthly TEP. She tells me physical damage is not covered. I say show me? After playing on her computer for 15 minutes, then a phone call, she gave me a new Photon.
Only at Sprint!!! Sad thing is, next year she will likely get promoted to CEO!!!!
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What was the address of the store? Did you get any part of her name at all?
EDIT: Got it, Garden State Plaza store. I'm going to escalate your experience to help improve future customer interactions. I'm not sure if this is a Sprint owned store or a 3rd party, but it shouldn't matter. You should be treated better than that.
Garden State Plaza
Merchant ID: 8015689253
Jessica Mendez
It's the one above the food court (there are 4 Sprint Stores in this Mall. They have the one I mention on Second floor above food court. In the food court they have a 3D/Photon Setup. They have a kiosh outside JC Penny's. And they have a store on the other side of Macy's!)
What I think is, Honestly, each of these stores are owned by different individuals. Each store likely get's a quoto # of Photon's to sell. The Store by Macy's told me I had to take it back where I got it, likely because it would cut into the number of phones THEY had to sell. Where I got it, more or less, just gave away $600.00!!! Just my opinion!
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What I think is, Honestly, each of these stores are owned by different individuals. Each store likely get's a quoto # of Photon's to sell. The Store by Macy's told me I had to take it back where I got it, likely because it would cut into the number of phones THEY had to sell. Where I got it, more or less, just gave away $600.00!!! Just my opinion!
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You're right. I'm pretty sure that's a 3rd party store, but they should still be more helpful and sound less clueless. Sprint is working hard to overcome a bad reputation for customer service and things like this don't help.
I'm glad you finally got resolution, but it should have been handled in one trip. The whole thing about the box was a joke. I'm betting she was hoping you would hit a different store when you came back
Online is not much better. Before reading, go to the middle of this and read my original complaint, then come back here and read Sprint's reply, then go to bottom and read my response!
Dear David Sims,
Thank you for contacting Sprint. I apologize for the inconvenience that
you have experienced.
As per your account, I can see that your phone is under 30 days return
policy. The Sprint 30-Day Risk-Free Guarantee allows you to return a
like-new phone to the point of purchase.
If you will opt for the different phone, your account will be charged
for the $35.00 for restocking fee.
Also, I can understand that your account is charged for the
International long distance calling. Let me explain that what is the
difference between International long distance and the International
roaming.
1- International long distance (ILD) is defined as making a call from
the United States to other countries in the world.
2- International roaming (IR) is defined as traveling to countries
outside of the United States, U.S. Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico.
So, these charges are valid on your account. So, due to system
restriction, we are unable to apply the credit on your account.
We value your business and appreciate the opportunity to answer your
questions.
Sincerely,
Cheryl B.
Sprint
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Name: David Sims
Form: Ask A Question Learn OR Feedback and Suggestions - Learn
Topic: Equipment
Contact Number: 201-681-5429
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Original Question:
Question: I have Motorola Photon 4G, somehow, the power on/off button
fell out. I took the phone to Garden State Plaza in New Jersey. At
first, she asked if I had the phone for 30 days or longer. As a manager,
I felt she should have known this as Sprint did not release the phone
until August 1st. She then asked where I got it, I told her that and she
told me I had to take it back there. 1. As the phone is almost new I
should be able to replace it at ANY Sprint store I choose. 2. I go back
to where I got it (Same Mall, different store), Im told I cannot replace
it without the box? 3. I have insurancce on the phone? I'm getting mixed
answers everyone. I spent $500+ 2 weeks ago, I would like a WORKING
phone!
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Current Customer ?: Yes
Email Address: [email protected]
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OK, I will attempt this ONE more time!! I was NOT returning the phone, I just wanted a WORKING phone. That's all I wanted. It was clear to the 2 technicans that looked at it, and it was clear manager the phone was missing this button. Additionally, this is SUPPOSED to be "Sprint's Flagship" phone. It was released August 1, 2011. The 30-day Risk-Free Guarantee should have never been a question as it's impossible for me to have owned this phone for more than 23 days. Next on this, I pay for insurance & equiptment repair to cover this, so it should not matter if I owned the device 2 days or 50 years. I was told by the Manager it was clearly physical damage. I asked her and her 2 technicans to show me ONE mark on that phone? After an hour, the phone was replaced.
Next, lets go back to my bill. CDMA Phones (Sprint and Verzion) do NOT work in Europe (well until this phone. All AT&T and T-Mobile work globally as they are GSM), If you looked at my account as you stated, you can see that 1. I do not have International dialing on my account nor did I enable it. Therefore it is impossible for me to make a International call. Secondly, in order for me to use THIS phone outside the US, I have to call Sprint to enable me in whatever country I am traveling to, therefore I could not have made those +44 (which is the UK by the way!) calls. I think we can both agree this HAD to be an incoming call (like all the rest of them!) In the last year this has not been on my bill!
Lastly, since I'm here, If you look at the attached invoice, my upgrade is $0.00. If I look at my current bill, it $19.08!!! Therefore, that charge should be removed from my bill!
Thank You for your understand.
Honestly that exchange is a little hard to follow. Did you mention the billing problem to the rep in the original submission?
I think that maybe she was trying to solve a problem when what she should have done was escalate the issue to an area manager. Did you get the billing issue fixed?
I actually noticed a Photon at the store with the power button not attached. Believe me, I will return mine in the event that falls off.
Thats like receiving a phone with a glued on screen and being help accountable if that glue wheres off and my screen is no longer attached.
To me it sounds like alot of people talking about policies and processes that they have NO OBVIOUS idea how they work.
Lets start:
First...the Evo 3D is Sprints "flagship" phone. Look up the definition if you need further assistance.
Second...ALL returns, regardless of 3rd party or Company owned require the original box when returned or a fee will be accessed. Its in your contract you sign. Try for starters to read it thoroughly before yelling and screaming at the ones of us that work for Sprint and can help you if you help yourself!
Can this be overridden? OF COURSE...but if your attitude sucks, chances are youre not going to get the "customer service" you think you are deserved.
Third...as for TEP, its Total Equipment Protection, not Insurance! BIG DIFFERENCE! This is to assist you in the cost reduction of a new device if something happens to yours. Again, reading the TEP agreement, physical damage is noted as obvious damage or missing components. YES I know, its a flaw in the design, BUT UNTIL Motorola releases a statement to Sprint verifing that this is a "known issue" with this device it will be looked at as physical damage! (Return a car to a dealer after 2 weeks with a missing door handle and see what happens...just sayin)
Fourth...its not as easy as walking in and saying "I want a new phone. Give it to me now". Again, this goes back to your TEP agreement and Sprints 30 day policy. If within 30 days, its exchange/replaced. Now, if you purchase at a Company owned store, you can return it at a Company owned store ANYWHERE. However, if you purchase it from a 3rd pary dealer, you must return it at one of their locations. This can be overridden thru customer care, but you will get NOWHERE in store. This is just the way this process works.
Fifth...understand that the person that you are dealing with in store has all the control, and its usually based off of the attitude the customer has. You yell and scream and act a fool, Im not doing **** for you. Flip side, youre calm and understanding of the processes Sprint has in place, Im gonna make SURE that you are taken care of. (Free accessory, bill credit, something...)
Hope this may lay to rest those that are only customers that think they are the CEO.
...And let the rage ensue..........
To be fair I have also walked into a sprint store and was mistreated by a person from the get go. I did nothing wrong or had any kind of bad attitude with them. I just knew the policies better then they did. Luckily a manager noticed the situation and took over helping me.
I do agree tho that some people do have horrible attitudes on both sides. Sad thing is it is those events that get blasted online. In your case I completely understand. The warranty question was ridiculous.
Also I have had beter experience at a corporate store than a 3rd party one and I always askif the store I am going to is corporate or not. I stay away from the 3rd party stores.
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Nomophobia, as in "No mobile phone phobia!" I found this article interesting because, 1. Its definately me. 2. The one chick checks her phone 50 times a day? Please, Im triple that easy!!!!90% of the time im awake, Im on my phone! News, Facebook, bank, XDA, text, 401K, ZumoCast to my home computer, Playstation Network! I can go on forever!
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...our-cellphone-nomophobia-on-the-rise#comments
yep, i got it. and it drags me away from my PC more and more every day as they become more powerful. i mean really, there is not much technology out there that is more handy then a smartphone. i cant read the news for hours on less then 2000mAh on my laptop, but i can on my phone!
and 50 times... i get more then 100 text messages a day, plus 30-50 emails, then phones calls and internet surfing... yeah i def beat her mark of 50. i use my phone as my clock, it would be interesting to see how many times i do turn my screen on. im guessing id be well over 400.
@lroy, I'm probally in the 400+ range also. And speaking of computer, I was just telling guest Sunday, I could not tell you the last time I physically sat at my desk at home or moved that laptop off the coffee table. (She asked could she have it!). The only reason my desktop is powered on is I use ZumoCast when I'm out to access it! Hell, I even program my cable box when I want to see something and I know I will not make it home!
I wanted to bring this back to the front. Last week a friend mentioned she could not take pictures, I replaced 2Gb Card with 16Gb Card for $19.99. Same friend came over and told me she could not send text, told her to delete all of them, fixed! She just now called and asked if her daughter can come over Saturday and I replace her card like I did hers..........This got me to thinking, over the last month or so, I have helped 8+ people with something or another. If your not going to use the features of the smartphone, why spend $600.00? You can still look cool and spend alot less money? And Im not talking about rooting or unlocking, I'm talking about simple, everyday life things to make life simple in which the device was made for?
1. Most of these people did not even know Bank of America had an app to check your bank account? (Members1st Credit Union either?)
2. None knew that you can program your Comcast DVR from your phone?
3. All thought you had to pay $29.99 for hotspot?
4. None knew about Google Music?
5. I tell people about Douphin Browser and they look at me like Im crazy?
6. No one, including my boss who is IT manger knew about Nexflix on smartphone?
Maybe it's me being anal, but you would not get at $2000.00 TV and not know how to use it right? and look at all the phones coming to market now, bigger, faster, larger, etc............. Again, just me!
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Maybe it's me being anal, but you would not get at $2000.00 TV and not know how to use it right?
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That's US carrier subsidies for you!
Carrier subsidies have f^@k*! up the entire system; $600-$700 devices being sold for $200 or less. People don't value smartphones at all.
Think of it, in reality smartphones cost more than most laptops, televisions and audio equipment etc.
Do people upgrade their TVs every year or two? Heck no! But carrier subsidies allow us to buy brand new phones for $200 every 2 years. And in case of Android phones, wait for 6-to-10 months and some models can be had for $100 or even close to free. Who doesn't like that?
And in turn to make their money, these carriers make us sign contracts and buy expensive data plans even if we don't want to.
I don't know of any other country in the world where they make you buy a data plan if you want to run a smartphone on their network.
You simply buy a phone and buy a plan, that's how it should work.
Lots of people I know in other countries have bought their own phones and run it with a simple voice-only plan. If they need data they pay only for what they use. No $40 data plan forced upon them. I wish our major carriers would adopt this policy.
Heck, I will leave Sprint if something doesn't change soon.
I've been with them for 10 years now and paying $80/month for ****ty service.
I'm waiting to see how its LTE network turns out before resigning any contracts.
DH can $uck it with his unlimited plans!
Ok....rant over! Taking a deep breath now....!
OK, My OP was NOT about data plans and contracts (althought you have some truth), I know people that have had their phone for over 10 years, he** I lost a bet because co-worker has flip Sprint phone with SIM card. That said, it is/was about people buying $600.00+ phones to take pictures and text, PERIOD!!! you can get a free phone for that. If your not going to utilize your smartphone with all it can do, why get it?
As for Data Plans, I have been to..........23 countries in the last 5 years. I took AT&T Tilt, flashed it, VodoPhone SIM from Airport, I'm good. I really only used data twice a day for a few minutes if that. But yes, phone only for your used minutes and what data you uses is subtracted from your minutes, no biggie. But also remember, they don't get the $100.00 up front and 2-year contract, they pay full then pick a plan. (For the record, no matter what phone I had, its not working in South Korea with WCDMA!)
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OK, My OP was NOT about data plans and contracts (althought you have some truth), That said, it is/was about people buying $600.00+ phones to take pictures and text, PERIOD!!! you can get a free phone for that. If your not going to utilize your smartphone with all it can do, why get it?
As for Data Plans, I have been to..........23 countries in the last 5 years. I took AT&T Tilt, flashed it, VodoPhone SIM from Airport, I'm good. I really only used data twice a day for a few minutes if that. But yes, phone only for your used minutes and what data you uses is subtracted from your minutes, no biggie. But also remember, they don't get the $100.00 up front and 2-year contract, they pay full then pick a plan. (For the record, no matter what phone I had, its not working in South Korea with WCDMA!)
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Yeah, sorry about that, didn't mean to hijack your thread.
I would gladly buy my phone at full price if they allowed me the freedom of choosing my plan. But they don't. So I end up paying $100-$200 for the phone and then $1800 over the next 24 months in service charges.
I check my phone for email several times a day (definitely less than 50) but I am an average user with regards to every day usage.
I am around Wi-Fi 95% of the time and so are most users, so I don't need or want their ($hitty & spotty) internet service.
My gripe is this: keep the unlimited plans for those who want it but allow those who don't want it to buy a cheaper plan.
The other thing that really p!$$#$ me off is the iPhone!
As everyone well knows, subsidies are the highest for the iPhones. And where do carriers recover their money, in the plans and contracts. I hate it that I pay money for services that I can never fully utilize so that others can have their iPhones. If iPhones were sold at retail without subsidies, we wouldn't have all the iDiots!
Coming back to your original topic: I'm definitely addicted. I need my phone and check it regularly for email, messages, clock, workouts etc.
I'm hooked and can't live without it now.
Thought I would try and give back a little to the boards with a short rant about sprint, maybe someone will find a useful bit of info from my crazy month of wtf.
So I got an Evo LTE, and im a OG evo guy since the release day so I expected a great deal from the brand. Im a 10+year guy with sprint, 2 lines, equipment protection plan, yada yada... When I got the phone charged up for the first time I tried making a call right away and couldnt get a signal; same house my OG evo works ok in. I was sent an air rave tower right away, which is both a curse and a blessing. I have my LTE (stock) for about a week and I start getting random reboots, I wait a day to make sure there wasn't something I was overlooking. My conclusion was I'm having the common random reboot problem. In addition I was also getting about 5 hours max battery life, and intermittent wifi, and strange overheating of the metal part of the cover. I called sprint and asked them what I should do, and they set me up with an appointment at the local store.
I bought the phone on a Thursday, and tried to return it two Thursdays later 14 days from the date on my receipt, at which point I was told they would not give me a phone out of inventory because my "14 day" return period expired. I argued all the way up to the store manager, with whom I shared words with. I was left with one alternative which was a "45min" wait for a tech to tell me my phone is broken, and 3 days from then I would get a replacement mailed to that store where I would have to return and exchange my old device, which they rudely handed back to me and said I should keep so "they don't loose it." I was leaving on a plane the next day and there was a hurricane coming so I told them I will keep the phone a few more days and they should f-%# themselves. Their 14 day return period starts the day BEFORE you buy the phone. returning two weeks from the day is 15 days on Sprint clocks, even when the Sprint rep on the phone makes your appointment for you. needless to say I was asked to leave the store.
The hurricane (more like tropical storm) shows up and my flight gets canceled, and the intermittent power outages basically disabled my airrave tower, so I was going on my third week with no working phone. I finally give up on all the crap and got a hold of the retention department or whatever they are called. I told them that if I can't get a phone out of inventory at the store the same day, im pretty sure Verizon would. They coughed up a $50 service credit and told me I had to go through the process. I re-activated my og evo so I would have somewhat of a reliable situation.
I went back to a different sprint store this week with an appointment and got lectured by a flunky girl who quoted the company line and tried telling me I clearly had a bad battery, and software issues. After I received my lecture from her I assured her I read all about many different people with my specific problems and I know she does too so lets get down to business ( I had waited 45 min with on time arrival for the appointment ). She started poking around my account (after having me read her my pin number aloud in public) and told me I canceled my equipment protection on the LTE and there was nothing she could do. I invited her to think about that for a minute, and she realized the person on the sprint *2 call that activated my OG Evo decided to remove my equipment plan without authorization. then I get the manager again, and 30-40 min later they hashed it out and told me keep my LTE and comeback tuesday (today) to pick up my replacement. I should also note that my google voice number was completely disabled from my account, (confirmed after an hour of trying to renew it via phone and computer.)
I go in today at 8pm, wait 30 min before anyone would talk to me about why I was there and encounter a soft spoken kid who couldn't figure out what I was asking for. He disappears in the back for a while then comes out with a refurbished OG Evo! They ordered the wrong Darn phone! I was not really surprised by this in retrospect... I then sat there with the manager while he tried to resolve the problem. His solution? I was told the order ticket was canceled (lies, we all know the first girl ordered me an OG Evo even though she held my LTE in her hand and solicited that I rate her well in my followup survey call); He then deactivated my OG evo, reactivated my LTE so he could order one, then tried and failed to re-activate my OG evo to no avail. After 20 min, I told him i knew how to update my profile and to fix it after I get home.
Needless to say, my OG evo is still not activated (he went home leaving me with no phone for yet another day), and my current status is I'm waiting for my factory (s on) new-ish LTE which may or may not be in by friday afternoon. The whole time there was a drawer full of inventory LTE's that they explicitly would not give me despite my hassle. I invited them to let me out of my contract and take their lemon LTE back and was again told no.
At some point in there I tried a few new ROMS and TWRP. I got stuck in a softbrick after an update to one of them ( I believe it was the meanROM ICS v39) which may have been my fault, not sure so no insult is intended. I believe it was a TWRP problem a few people seem to have had I've read. I was able to break the softbrick by getting into to recovery
(vol down and power pressed for 20 seconds then release > then vol down + power for 2 seconds each, 3 times > re-lock > then running the RUU jewel back to stock. Tamper message goes away after that and I was left with ReLocked message. The phone still has ALL of the aforementioned problems (as it did with any ROM I tried). Sorry I can't be much more helpful to the dev's with my descriptions, but it probably wont serve any of you to troubleshoot based off my results with a defective unit. One last thing- I have a wifi issue since day one with the LTE, it takes about 5 seconds to connect to any website the first time, after that everything loads in a snap, but browsing brings back the 5 second problem about every 3rd link I click.
tl;dr
What you should learn:
-Sprint 14 day return policy is no questions asked replacement from inventory provided you return within 13 days.
-Activating a legacy will probably nuke your google voice integration as well as complicate your replacement order.
-my random reboot problem didn't start until after about 1 week and minimum changes to the phone ( I have been doing most of my android stuff with my Nexus 7 tab.)
-Airrave towers die from fluctuating power for a couple hours (like during a tropical storm). Towers in S. Fla. worked for my girls Metro PCS device the whole time, as well as my OG Evo (not connected to service at that point).
-Sprint will NOT send you a replacement phone via post any longer.
-You must return to a Corporate store to get a replacement, and you have to drive back over there once it comes in (make an appointment!)
-You can probably snag a $50 service credit if you threaten to cancel (I've read people getting more).
On an unrelated note:
-(class 10) 32 GB micro sd card on newegg goes for about $20 with shipping, they are $100 at the Sprint outlet.
-$50 otterbox cases are clunky and not my taste, my 'greatshield' case from the egg was < $10 and I like it.
-Screen protectors at sprint are 10x as much dough as online.
If anyone is interested I will try and update this post after I get my new phone (if I get a new phone.) Sprint has gone a long way down, but the competitors are no better so don't be insulted if your one of their good employees. My total estimated lost time over this debacle has been about 4 weeks without a new working phone I already paid for, and 8 hours of driving, and waiting in the store or on the phone. I got kicked out of the store for cursing out the manager who was talking to me like im an imbecilic drone like he is, other than that almost every one else was dumb but well mannered. He actually called me out when I told him I was flying out of town, and work 7 days a week. He actually told me that there are laws that I must be given days off ( insinuating I was lying ). This is pretty ironic considering im a lawyer in this state; I know more than a few of the lurkers here are lawyers too, i'm sure you understand the long hours). His condescension pushed me over the edge, and hes lucky he didn't meet the old me.
Thx to all the Devs on xda for your superb work.
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yeah i had a snafu with sprint and thats when I gave them the middle finger. got out of my contract ETF free despite the fact i was 22 days in.
Well,after 3 weeks of phone calls sprint finally decided to send me a replacement evo,i mean its really bad when you have to go throught all this just to get a working phone,it shows that sprint has no interest in keeping customers happy,i came from verizon and they offer you a replacement without hassle,i dont know if its because verizon is doing way better financially or what,but they need to get their stuff together
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Damn and here I am never having a issue with Sprint at all. Never had a issue getting a replacement phone or with dropping calls.
Now I have a issue with best buy black tie plans and getting a phone but that's a story for another day.
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I think the stores in your area dropped the ball. Only in the case of ordering you the wrong phone and making you wait again while the correct one came in. The other things technically were Sprint policy.
My location would have worked with you on the point of ordering the wrong phone. That is of course assuming you were polite. Individuals who are condescending jerks don't get far. Not saying that's what you are or were.
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So from what I gathered from the wrong phone being ordered is that sprint has to order the device that is currently active on the account. That explains why u got an Og evo and not the lte. I'm a tech at sprint and that's how the system works.
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Full of thoughts...
Thanks for all of the sophisticated replies, glad to finally be posting here after a few years of lurking.
Something is very broken at Sprint and I suspect it has everything to do with a bunch of gone by night,
corporate exec's that fire people in hallways and use phrases like "corporate efficiency"...
I estimate my lifetime sprint spending at a modest $25,000. Its a severe kick to the gentleman region
that the moment my phone stopped working It was not replaced.
Honestly, I know how corporate employees feel, but the beauracratic, non-sense policies that ignore what I
need ( a working phone ) and sanction customers like me (my time and patients) are a disaster for many
companies. I was in sever need of my working phone connection, and I got screwed by sprint policy that
keeps them from loosing money from customers that can't be compared to me.
I'm a super nice guy most of the time, it was always served me well to try and give people what they want.
I may be highly educated and blessed for my financial situation (im not rich, but am thankful), however
I grew up in Detroit, a city with a 50% literacy rate, 25% highschool graduation rate, and crippling
unemployment (possibly as high as 30-40% un-adjusted). For lack of a better way of saying it, I talk like
a common man. I am also from a very violent place, so I have learned to respect people who I don't know
much about, but to strike back when they cross the line with me. So i probably sounded like a jerk bag getting
kicked out of a Sprint store, but believe me ... come visit south Florida sometime, you will honestly wonder
how some people here made it to adult-hood.
As a side note; if you work in customer service don't talk about customers in a different language. My girl and
I combined understand 6-7 languages (most fluent). We normally dress down, I like wearing jersies and sandals.
We both look 5-10 years younger than we are, and could easily be stereo-typed as no one important- in
fact we both like it that way. I've never asked Sprint for any special favors.
That being said, I have some valuable business advice for Sprint, and would go into MUCH more detail with
someone who was in charge at their higher levels: basically Sprint needs a way to tell the difference between
customers that are a money suck, and ones who are the bread and butter. Then that system needs to be easily
applied by the worker bees.
All that the store manager had to do on my first trip to sprint was to get me a working phone line and make it
easy for me to exchange, even if I had to come back. Its the MOST BASIC reason anyone walks in a sprint store,
and their relative inability to deal with a hardware issue without insulting me and wasting my time is a
malignant corporate problem, not an employee problem.
Make up your own minds about how I sound, it is what it is. If you work for Sprint I encourage you to
not take offense to my comments, Im really trying to use broad strokes with these points.
XDA members are so, so close to a new watershed in tele-com; It wont be long now untill none of us will be
willing to sign contracts and/or purchase hardware from our cellular providers. The rest of the world isn't
going to take to long to catch on either. With companies like metro pcs doing the kind of numbers they are,
Sprint as we now know it is going to be a relic.
My Sprint experiences have been positive 80% of the time, but when it goes bad it goes really bad.
@David: BestBuy is going to die a slow, painful corporate death before 2022 I surmise. Their problems
are very similar to sprint, sorry for your bad luck with them; I think I already know what you would say.
I'm confident people like on this forum will bring the industry back up to speed on their own terms. Its really
quite an amazing community, a real credit to humanity. I dont just say that, the existence of a dev community
like this is quite a unique human event (a sort of enlightenment.) There are not enought nice things to say about
how people here help others with something they genuinely do for fun.
Cell companies on a whole are intellectually dishonest with the people, and have adopted the economic principals
of companies that are the college examples of myopic, unethical, poorly directed, abusers. Much like the mortgage
industry, lack of consumer oriented management has created a culture of abuse and if my readers don't agree, they
can at least understand why I make the argument.
I have gotten pretty far away from what I started talking about, so Ill leave it here: invest in google, they are
sending a pretty clear message to sprint by rolling out google Fiber in Kansas...IMO
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redwings23 said:
Honestly, I know how corporate employees feel....
.... and I got screwed by sprint policy that
keeps them from loosing money from customers that can't be compared to me.
I'm a super nice guy most of the time...
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You must be a Republican. You've got to be right? Sure that holds no relevance but your post screams Republican. Lol.
No offense but this post is drenched in the very condescending tone that I was under the impression you communicated in. All customers should be viewed as equal. It's unfair to believe otherwise. I understand you feel as though your needs and requests hold priority over that of the majority but policies are policies and they are in place for a reason. There is no excuse it took so long for your replacement device to arrive, but let's be honest. You did have a functional phone in the meantime, right? Sprint should have taken responsibility for their mistake though. I definitely empathize with you on that point.
I'm sorry, the entitlement argument always rubs me the wrong way.
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redwings23 said:
Thought I would try and give back a little to the boards with a short rant about sprint, maybe someone will find a useful bit of info from my crazy month of wtf.
So I got an Evo LTE, and im a OG evo guy since the release day so I expected a great deal from the brand. Im a 10+year guy with sprint, 2 lines, equipment protection plan, yada yada... When I got the phone charged up for the first time I tried making a call right away and couldnt get a signal; same house my OG evo works ok in. I was sent an air rave tower right away, which is both a curse and a blessing. I have my LTE (stock) for about a week and I start getting random reboots, I wait a day to make sure there wasn't something I was overlooking. My conclusion was I'm having the common random reboot problem. In addition I was also getting about 5 hours max battery life, and intermittent wifi, and strange overheating of the metal part of the cover. I called sprint and asked them what I should do, and they set me up with an appointment at the local store.
I bought the phone on a Thursday, and tried to return it two Thursdays later 14 days from the date on my receipt, at which point I was told they would not give me a phone out of inventory because my "14 day" return period expired. I argued all the way up to the store manager, with whom I shared words with. I was left with one alternative which was a "45min" wait for a tech to tell me my phone is broken, and 3 days from then I would get a replacement mailed to that store where I would have to return and exchange my old device, which they rudely handed back to me and said I should keep so "they don't loose it." I was leaving on a plane the next day and there was a hurricane coming so I told them I will keep the phone a few more days and they should f-%# themselves. Their 14 day return period starts the day BEFORE you buy the phone. returning two weeks from the day is 15 days on Sprint clocks, even when the Sprint rep on the phone makes your appointment for you. needless to say I was asked to leave the store.
The hurricane (more like tropical storm) shows up and my flight gets canceled, and the intermittent power outages basically disabled my airrave tower, so I was going on my third week with no working phone. I finally give up on all the crap and got a hold of the retention department or whatever they are called. I told them that if I can't get a phone out of inventory at the store the same day, im pretty sure Verizon would. They coughed up a $50 service credit and told me I had to go through the process. I re-activated my og evo so I would have somewhat of a reliable situation.
I went back to a different sprint store this week with an appointment and got lectured by a flunky girl who quoted the company line and tried telling me I clearly had a bad battery, and software issues. After I received my lecture from her I assured her I read all about many different people with my specific problems and I know she does too so lets get down to business ( I had waited 45 min with on time arrival for the appointment ). She started poking around my account (after having me read her my pin number aloud in public) and told me I canceled my equipment protection on the LTE and there was nothing she could do. I invited her to think about that for a minute, and she realized the person on the sprint *2 call that activated my OG Evo decided to remove my equipment plan without authorization. then I get the manager again, and 30-40 min later they hashed it out and told me keep my LTE and comeback tuesday (today) to pick up my replacement. I should also note that my google voice number was completely disabled from my account, (confirmed after an hour of trying to renew it via phone and computer.)
I go in today at 8pm, wait 30 min before anyone would talk to me about why I was there and encounter a soft spoken kid who couldn't figure out what I was asking for. He disappears in the back for a while then comes out with a refurbished OG Evo! They ordered the wrong Darn phone! I was not really surprised by this in retrospect... I then sat there with the manager while he tried to resolve the problem. His solution? I was told the order ticket was canceled (lies, we all know the first girl ordered me an OG Evo even though she held my LTE in her hand and solicited that I rate her well in my followup survey call); He then deactivated my OG evo, reactivated my LTE so he could order one, then tried and failed to re-activate my OG evo to no avail. After 20 min, I told him i knew how to update my profile and to fix it after I get home.
Needless to say, my OG evo is still not activated (he went home leaving me with no phone for yet another day), and my current status is I'm waiting for my factory (s on) new-ish LTE which may or may not be in by friday afternoon. The whole time there was a drawer full of inventory LTE's that they explicitly would not give me despite my hassle. I invited them to let me out of my contract and take their lemon LTE back and was again told no.
At some point in there I tried a few new ROMS and TWRP. I got stuck in a softbrick after an update to one of them ( I believe it was the meanROM ICS v39) which may have been my fault, not sure so no insult is intended. I believe it was a TWRP problem a few people seem to have had I've read. I was able to break the softbrick by getting into to recovery
(vol down and power pressed for 20 seconds then release > then vol down + power for 2 seconds each, 3 times > re-lock > then running the RUU jewel back to stock. Tamper message goes away after that and I was left with ReLocked message. The phone still has ALL of the aforementioned problems (as it did with any ROM I tried). Sorry I can't be much more helpful to the dev's with my descriptions, but it probably wont serve any of you to troubleshoot based off my results with a defective unit. One last thing- I have a wifi issue since day one with the LTE, it takes about 5 seconds to connect to any website the first time, after that everything loads in a snap, but browsing brings back the 5 second problem about every 3rd link I click.
tl;dr
What you should learn:
-Sprint 14 day return policy is no questions asked replacement from inventory provided you return within 13 days.
-Activating a legacy will probably nuke your google voice integration as well as complicate your replacement order.
-my random reboot problem didn't start until after about 1 week and minimum changes to the phone ( I have been doing most of my android stuff with my Nexus 7 tab.)
-Airrave towers die from fluctuating power for a couple hours (like during a tropical storm). Towers in S. Fla. worked for my girls Metro PCS device the whole time, as well as my OG Evo (not connected to service at that point).
-Sprint will NOT send you a replacement phone via post any longer.
-You must return to a Corporate store to get a replacement, and you have to drive back over there once it comes in (make an appointment!)
-You can probably snag a $50 service credit if you threaten to cancel (I've read people getting more).
On an unrelated note:
-(class 10) 32 GB micro sd card on newegg goes for about $20 with shipping, they are $100 at the Sprint outlet.
-$50 otterbox cases are clunky and not my taste, my 'greatshield' case from the egg was < $10 and I like it.
-Screen protectors at sprint are 10x as much dough as online.
If anyone is interested I will try and update this post after I get my new phone (if I get a new phone.) Sprint has gone a long way down, but the competitors are no better so don't be insulted if your one of their good employees. My total estimated lost time over this debacle has been about 4 weeks without a new working phone I already paid for, and 8 hours of driving, and waiting in the store or on the phone. I got kicked out of the store for cursing out the manager who was talking to me like im an imbecilic drone like he is, other than that almost every one else was dumb but well mannered. He actually called me out when I told him I was flying out of town, and work 7 days a week. He actually told me that there are laws that I must be given days off ( insinuating I was lying ). This is pretty ironic considering im a lawyer in this state; I know more than a few of the lurkers here are lawyers too, i'm sure you understand the long hours). His condescension pushed me over the edge, and hes lucky he didn't meet the old me.
Thx to all the Devs on xda for your superb work.
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Nice tirade BTW. But, you did your math wrong. You bought it on thursday, that is day 1. Day14 would therefore be wednesday.
troll?
wolfclan68 said:
Nice tirade BTW. But, you did your math wrong. You bought it on thursday, that is day 1. Day14 would therefore be wednesday.
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Is this a troll?
Try again, the way the planet Earth works is that you turn one year old on the anniversary of your birth.
I returned to the store 13 days and 18 hours prior to my previous visit.
When considering some potential for illogical ambiguity such as yours,
Sprint should confer benefit of the doubt upon the disadvantaged party (me).
Sprint sold me a lemon, and a monthly plan for equipment guarantee, which makes me a disadvantaged party.
I was also given a receipt with terms of adhesion incorporated into it mentioning 14 days with no clarification of
the intent that the moment the transaction occurred a full day is presumed as having past.
Turns out the Florida Supreme Court agrees with my logic: the day the transaction takes place is not included.
For instance, If I serve you with a lawsuit today, you have 30 days (starting at zero) to respond.
If it had said "return the phone within 30 days of the purchase date", you might have yourself an argument.
"14 days" is a measurement of time that appeared on my contract.
Lets review:
-if I agree to give you one apple a day for 14 days starting on a Thursday you will get your last apple on Wednesday.
-if I agree to give you an apple in 14 days, you will get an apple two Thursdays from now.
Now lets have fun:
suppose today is Thursday
-If I tell you to meet me in Vegas in 7 days, you will expect me next thursday
-if i tell you meet me at my office before I go home in 8 hours, you can add 8 hours to the current time and rely on me leaving at the sum.
suppose its 5pm-
-If you ask me (on a Thursday) to meet you at your office within 336 hours I have until next Thursday at 5pm to comply.
336 hours = 14 days
Now try substituting '336 hours' for the words 'two weeks' or '14 days'; Rational minds work in mysterious ways.
sprint's stated policy
Now that we've covered the basics, dead over to sprint dot com /landings/returns/
within 14 days of activation (day 1 of the 14 days starts when the phone is activated)
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They even messed it up there!
Day 1 starts when the phone is activated?
That clearly means two different things...
Day one starts and ends when exactly?
Why should a customer have to guess, especially in the 24 hour world of web shopping?
Why not simply state the date which will be the last of the period? I know my library does.
I wonder if anyone else has pondered this problem, oh say 3 years ago on yahoo! answers...
http:/ /answers.yahoo. com/question/index?qid=20090929112655AAk7o1O
in the future you can bypass the whole store visit by calling them and stating the problem and they will drop ship you another device right then if within the time period. I've done it before a few times no problems at all.
sgt. slaughter said:
in the future you can bypass the whole store visit by calling them and stating the problem and they will drop ship you another device right then if within the time period. I've done it before a few times no problems at all.
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I tired, I know what you mean too. I had a treo drop dead after a few days and it was about as painless as a phone call and dealing with the return packaging. Unless I seriously missed something, I tried talking to many different people, supervisors, etc.
I called on the 10th day (or if your a sprint employee the 11th) and talked to a rep who told me there is no way for them to send me a phone AT ALL. I argued up to the supervisor, and was told that Sprint has changed its policies quite drastically since the iphone was brought over :facepalm:
Anyway, I believe the new policy is that you HAVE TO take your exchange back to a Sprint corporate store, and have exchanges made there within the 13 days time frame.
Another guy also informed me that if I did a straight up insurance claim on the phone I would have to pay a $200 deductible.
hopeless..... Im calling the store tonight, Im pondering how to stay calm. If the new phone is flawed in any more than minor way and not fixed with an inventory phone, im giving up and will be trying to get out of the ETF and finding a new carrier. Im sure I can get my $200 back out of the virgin hardware. I give them 3 to 1 odds of not screwing something else up.
redwings23 said:
I argued up to the supervisor, and was told that Sprint has changed its policies quite drastically since the iphone was brought over :facepalm:
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I know you probably don't think you are being condescending, but the fact that you had to argue on your call with customer service makes me think you come across as such.
And while you think Sprint should see you as better than the riff-raff, truth is, your individual account is no different than the millions of other individual Sprint customers. I also have issues with my local Sprint corporate store service techs, but I have nothing but positives for the business customer care department.
Quis89 said:
You must be a Republican. You've got to be right? Sure that holds no relevance but your post screams Republican. Lol.
No offense but this post is drenched in the very condescending tone that I was under the impression you communicated in. All customers should be viewed as equal. It's unfair to believe otherwise. I understand you feel as though your needs and requests hold priority over that of the majority but policies are policies and they are in place for a reason. There is no excuse it took so long for your replacement device to arrive, but let's be honest. You did have a functional phone in the meantime, right? Sprint should have taken responsibility for their mistake though. I definitely empathize with you on that point.
I'm sorry, the entitlement argument always rubs me the wrong way.
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sgt. slaughter said:
in the future you can bypass the whole store visit by calling them and stating the problem and they will drop ship you another device right then if within the time period. I've done it before a few times no problems at all.
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Yeah I called Sprint one morning because I had no data after updating PRL. Within 10 minutes they were ready to send me a new phone.
I was able to fix it by connecting to a WiFi connection to update and it was fine so I kept my phone. I thought they were more than helpful.
Naters
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meh
bman3333 said:
I know you probably don't think you are being condescending, but the fact that you had to argue on your call with customer service makes me think you come across as such.
And while you think Sprint should see you as better than the riff-raff, truth is, your individual account is no different than the millions of other individual Sprint customers. I also have issues with my local Sprint corporate store service techs, but I have nothing but positives for the business customer care department.
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Well, I have some experience with Wisconsin's .. err wisconsinites?... wisconsonians?
Anyway, based on my experience you are making your point because I used the word 'argued'.
Arguing is not mutually exclusive of being a gentleman during the conflict.
I was very nice to the people, I just did not accept their answers. The first girl I talked to, although dim witted, told
me that she did her best and asked me if there was anything else I needed, I told her her answer was unacceptable
to me, and while although not her fault in any way, I would like to talk to the supervisor.
I am a mover, but my main advantage is I can easily relate to all sorts of people, I walk around smiling,
except when people break my stones. If you go out of your way to disrespect me I will shame you publicly.
I don't live in the midwest, but I grew up there. we probably share the same values / character traits.
Just realize that there are other cultures in different parts of the country, and S. Florida is a place where you
can pull over and help a lady change her tire (just because you're a good guy) and she will complain you are
taking to long to do it. (happened to a friend of mine). Down here its 'too good, too stupid". I'm not intimidated
by the Latin bravado, and have found most these boys down here don't know why its a bad Idea to try and
back a hockey player into a corner. The store manager talked trash about me in Spanish while I was standing right there
I knew what he was saying and was not wrong for reacting a certain way. I was definitely not the one being smug there.
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You must be a Republican. You've got to be right? Sure that holds no relevance but your post screams Republican. Lol.
No offense but this post is drenched in the very condescending tone that I was under the impression you communicated in. All customers should be viewed as equal. It's unfair to believe otherwise. I understand you feel as though your needs and requests hold priority over that of the majority but policies are policies and they are in place for a reason. There is no excuse it took so long for your replacement device to arrive, but let's be honest. You did have a functional phone in the meantime, right? Sprint should have taken responsibility for their mistake though. I definitely empathize with you on that point.
I'm sorry, the entitlement argument always rubs me the wrong way.
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I'm oddly uncomfortable with discussing my political leanings here, but I will say I think for myself.
Anyway, there are many problems with your points-
I have been through this process with Sprint and exchanged one a few years back (a new Treo) the 'policies' were
much different then, and I expected the same pleasant results this time around. No Dice.
I was treated well when making a visit to buy a phone, and crapped on once the payment cleared.
Ill remind you that I called sprint within 10 days and they set my appointment up for me!
Nether the phone rep or the store told me there would be any problem until I showed up on day 14
and was forced to sit in the store for about 90 min. and not offered an inventory phone because of 'policy'.
I had the other line hooked up to my dying og evo, and its pretty bad. Ive been using my nexus 7 and
google voice to make calls, since no one could get my google number to ring through to the og.
The policies would have been fine if 3-4 people i met along the way hadn't dropped the ball.
reassuring me on the phone then not coming through after I drive to the store is unacceptable.
You use the word entitlement in a somewhat laughable way-
Why should customers all be treated equally, there are many that need way more than me; picture
my grandmother sitting there asking what an app is. Once a guy goes through the process like I did
There is no reason to consider my problems as the same priority as others. Facts and circumstances
should define policies, not bureaucratic nonsense that ignores the needs of one paying customer.
Sprint has lacked integrity in this respect because I paid fair and square and didn't get what others get. -That's my fault somehow?
That brings me to my second point about 'entitlement' ... I paid and got a bad device, my theory of
entitlement is based on the money I paid. When you pay for a movie ticket you are then entitled to
go in and watch that movie. I ran around for hours based on bad advice and policies. I never asked for
something other customers don't get. All I asked for is what the average customer gets: I pay money
and they give a working phone. If Sprint is going to operate on a buyer beware ethos, judge them
not me.
I understand my words read as condescending, but im not here to make myself sound pleasant.
I tried to lay out the relevant facts in a tone that reflects feelings after a month of not having my new toy, or a working line half that time.
Put yourself in my shoes, and tell yourself this because of bad karma or something.
I wrote all of this in hopes someone will find it personally helpful, I've lurked here for years and wanted to give something useful back to the community.
I was on this board for several hours trying to break my soft-brick and read at least three unanswered threads that were related to my problem.
I figured it was time to be a noob and give a few people a heads up. Im sure a few of you read all this and were surprised about something.
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Yeah I called Sprint one morning because I had no data after updating PRL. Within 10 minutes they were ready to send me a new phone.
I was able to fix it by connecting to a WiFi connection to update and it was fine so I kept my phone. I thought they were more than helpful.
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I was in a similar situation years ago. They refused to send me a phone this time, I asked each person why I was treated differently last time and at lease one Sprint phone manager thinks its because "sprint stopped doing that after the Iphone [got ported over.]"
How long ago was your hassle free exchange, i think mine was 2004~ish.
One thing to rememebr if you need insurance get it within 14 days of your purchase date ,apparently people who got the phone before it has been exclusive to all stores which should be may 1st I was told by two reputable sources have no insurance option on" PREPAID plan ONLY"
It's because it hasn't made It into tmobiles system as a option for prepaid plans yet ...even tho every other phone is ,it will pop up the day it's released in all stores .....so make sure you go back and get it if you were wanting it and told u can't ,if you was one of the many who got it before launch..
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One thing to rememebr if you need insurance get it within 14 days of your purchase date ,apparently people who got the phone before it has been exclusive to all stores which should be may 1st I was told by two reputable sources have no insurance option on" PREPAID plan ONLY"
It's because it hasn't made It into tmobiles system as a option for prepaid plans yet ...even tho every other phone is ,it will pop up the day it's released in all stores .....so make sure you go back and get it if you were wanting it and told u can't ,if you was one of the many who got it before launch..
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you can get the Full PHP which is the insurance and lifetime warranty right now in any T-Mo store as well as with Customer Care. the T-Mo rep has to call in to Customer Care for your and ask that they put on the $11.99 bundle. I have had to do it since the 24th when the phone was put out in the T-Mo store i would in, but yes. You have 14 days to get PHP if you want it. You just have to make sure you don't do anything to the phone in that 14 days you have it.
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you can get the Full PHP which is the insurance and lifetime warranty right now in any T-Mo store as well as with Customer Care. the T-Mo rep has to call in to Customer Care for your and ask that they put on the $11.99 bundle. I have had to do it since the 24th when the phone was put out in the T-Mo store i would in, but yes. You have 14 days to get PHP if you want it. You just have to make sure you don't do anything to the phone in that 14 days you have it.
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12 bucks a month?! 8 is a rip off as it is!
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12 bucks a month?! 8 is a rip off as it is!
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I would agree to a point. some people out there have a high chance they will drop and break the phone. That means you pay $175 for a replacement instead of $580 again. Also remember that part of that 12 is a lifetime warranty. ppl that might want to keep this phone for a long will be able to change the phone out when the battery goes out for whatever reason. also not everyone knows how to flash roms and such so it is for the avg person that knows nothing. Trust i would never pay it but some people get it because of the risk of breaking the phone. Why do ppl get car insurance. Its because you have a chance to F up their car and want it fixed. Its the same idea. it all depends on the person. I have seen people come into my T-Mo Store 2 times within the 1st year because their kid throw their phone or their kid dropped it in water. That would mean they now paid 350 for 2 new phones instead of 1160 on top of the phone they already paid for. Its got its good points and bad points.
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I would agree to a point. some people out there have a high chance they will drop and break the phone. That means you pay $175 for a replacement instead of $580 again. Also remember that part of that 12 is a lifetime warranty. ppl that might want to keep this phone for a long will be able to change the phone out when the battery goes out for whatever reason. also not everyone knows how to flash roms and such so it is for the avg person that knows nothing. Trust i would never pay it but some people get it because of the risk of breaking the phone. Why do ppl get car insurance. Its because you have a chance to F up their car and want it fixed. Its the same idea. it all depends on the person. I have seen people come into my T-Mo Store 2 times within the 1st year because their kid throw their phone or their kid dropped it in water. That would mean they now paid 350 for 2 new phones instead of 1160 on top of the phone they already paid for. Its got its good points and bad points.
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People get car insurance because its illegal not to carry it lol but I get your point. I guess I'm just careful with my phones... I broke the Hero (the LCD cracked internally, the external glass was fine... really weird) and I broke a Sony Ericsson T300 by throwing it on the ground in a fit of rage... Then again, I always put my phones in a case right off the bat (except for my Blackberries - never had to worry about those).
Then again, this is HTC... And I've had issues with EVERY HTC device I've ever had so maybe its worth it.
My guy said it wouldn't give the option In system when I paid outright price .. he said it could have been because it's not yet out fficially in all stores , what he did was scan a s3 for me and separately added the Insurance on my prepaid 70$ account and then told me once I activate the htc one it would just show that as my Device on my line and that the insurance would Carry over to the new phone .
It was a tricky way to do it but works , I only made the topic to help safeguard the option if others were noticing this issue on an outright purchase for this phone in particular
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My guy said it wouldn't give the option In system when I paid outright price .. he said it could have been because it's not yet out fficially in all stores , what he did was scan a s3 for me and separately added the Insurance on my prepaid 70$ account and then told me once I activate the htc one it would just show that as my Device on my line and that the insurance would Carry over to the new phone .
It was a tricky way to do it but works , I only made the topic to help safeguard the option if others were noticing this issue on an outright purchase for this phone in particular
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Yea there is two ways we can ring a phone out in our system at the store. The fast way which is a system called POS and the slower way which is called CHIU. if you go through POS, they haven't made it yet so we can add the $11.99 one, but if you go though CHIU it does it for you. This was a problem when the Iphone was put out as well. In the end if you have the $7.99, it will auto change to the $11.99 when the system sees you are using a phone that needs the $11.99 one.
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People get car insurance because its illegal not to carry it lol but I get your point. I guess I'm just careful with my phones... I broke the Hero (the LCD cracked internally, the external glass was fine... really weird) and I broke a Sony Ericsson T300 by throwing it on the ground in a fit of rage... Then again, I always put my phones in a case right off the bat (except for my Blackberries - never had to worry about those).
Then again, this is HTC... And I've had issues with EVERY HTC device I've ever had so maybe its worth it.
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Not every state makes you have car insurance. Some states its your choice. Not i think that is more down south then up north, but i am not sure. A little fact or being off topic.
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Yea there is two ways we can ring a phone out in our system at the store. The fast way which is a system called POS and the slower way which is called CHIU. if you go through POS, they haven't made it yet so we can add the $11.99 one, but if you go though CHIU it does it for you. This was a problem when the Iphone was put out as well. In the end if you have the $7.99, it will auto change to the $11.99 when the system sees you are using a phone that needs the $11.99 one.
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Not every state makes you have car insurance. Some states its your choice. Not i think that is more down south then up north, but i am not sure. A little fact or being off topic.
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Wait, what? Which state would that be?
I personally have thought about dropping the insurance from tmobile as when I got my Note 2 they changed my 7.99 plan to 11.99. That is basically 5 more bucks a month, which equates to 60 more a year. I have it on two phones now... So 120 a year. Ridiculous!
Going to shop around before dropping it, but how much higher can things keep going until enough is enough!
Tmobile does away with contracts to save people money, but find ways to raise other parts of your contract still, only if you have a tier E device though.....
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Wth, the rep and order shows 7.99 insurance and $150 deductible. No way in hell would I keep insurance if it is 12 and 175, that is Sprint level ;p. Definitely will go squaretrade then or keep my old phone on sprint.
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