I don't know who/what/when/where or how, the power button on Photon is missing? I have never dropped my device, I don't even toss it onto bed!!! I hope I dont get a new phone because it took me over a WEEK, 10 - 14 hours a day to get it like I wanted it!!!
..... cool dude
That sucks bro. Happened to mine too. It's just held on by adhesive tape.
How is this under accessories? How is it under anything really...
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That sucks bro. Happened to mine too. It's just held on by adhesive tape.
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OK, it appears its held on by some glue as I can see the white on the button on the bottom.
@Codee, I put it here becuase if I could (and I cant) find another button, I'd buy it and put it on myself.
Now: I'm a pretty easy going person, i rarely get upset at anything, life is too short. I go to Garden State Plaza to Sprint store to speak to one of the Brightest Minds in America. Her nametag says "Manager" so I know I have the correct person and I'm going to get top notch service!!! I tell her its broken, the power button fell off! The first thing out of her mouth was "Have you had the phone for 30 days or less?" (I will not insult you guys, phone came out August 1st, therefore, this chick cannot count!) After this hiccup, she ask where I got it? (Again, I will not insult you. I treat my toys well and I have insurance, I dont care if I got it in Mississippi, it says "Sprint" on it, you see my insurance on my account, give me a working phone!!!!) After 10 minutes on the phone with "whoever", she tells me I need the box because they need the IMEI #. ITS A BOX, I DONT GIVE A RATS...............I'm going back with box and phone at lunch.
Imei is under the battery too isn't it?
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I will make this short and sweet, I got a new Photon. I'm pissed at the way I got it, but I got it. I could not figure out how to restore from my backup, so I started the pain staking task of putting it back like it was.
Now, I will bring some comedy to this thread!!
If you go to the Evo forum, the Fuze Forum.......any of them. Everyone can tell you I'm anal about my toys. If your here, you likely are too! My phone has special mouse pad to sit on everywhere.
I return to the same store with a guy I work with that used to do mobile support for our company. I talk to the same manager, she asked me the same 30-day question. I just turned around and looked at Will and srugged my shoulders. She then asked me to taked it to the technicians and signin. These 2 clowns come out and look at the phone, then then again ask me the 30-day question! The Photon is your flagship phone, its IMPOSSIBLE for me to have had it longer than 23 days!!! OK, we will replace it!
After 45 minutes, I get the same manager back. She tells me she needs to turn it on to make sure I did not root it. I have rooted/flashed likely 200+ times. Each one I'v done contain 4 things. Disclaimer that it will void your warranty, Instructions on how to Root/Flash, another Disclaimer that BEFORE you return to your carrier, and Instructions on how to un-root/Un-flash? One would think if I'm smart enough to root/flash, I would be smart enough to un-do it? Personally, I dont think she would know if i did or did not (Unless she noticed something like 'Sprint NASCAR" was missing?)
She then preceeds to tell me "This is clearly physical damage?" Again, I just turned and looked at co-worker. I asked her and the technican to find one single nick on that Photon! They tell me they cannot, but it was likely dropped. I say BS, show me.
I got tired of playing and had to get back from lunch. It dont matter, I have TEP and repair, you can't repair it, give me another one or similar phone per this $8.00 monthly TEP. She tells me physical damage is not covered. I say show me? After playing on her computer for 15 minutes, then a phone call, she gave me a new Photon.
Only at Sprint!!! Sad thing is, next year she will likely get promoted to CEO!!!!
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I will make this short and sweet, I got a new Photon. I'm pissed at the way I got it, but I got it. I could not figure out how to restore from my backup, so I started the pain staking task of putting it back like it was.
Now, I will bring some comedy to this thread!!
If you go to the Evo forum, the Fuze Forum.......any of them. Everyone can tell you I'm anal about my toys. If your here, you likely are too! My phone has special mouse pad to sit on everywhere.
I return to the same store with a guy I work with that used to do mobile support for our company. I talk to the same manager, she asked me the same 30-day question. I just turned around and looked at Will and srugged my shoulders. She then asked me to taked it to the technicians and signin. These 2 clowns come out and look at the phone, then then again ask me the 30-day question! The Photon is your flagship phone, its IMPOSSIBLE for me to have had it longer than 23 days!!! OK, we will replace it!
After 45 minutes, I get the same manager back. She tells me she needs to turn it on to make sure I did not root it. I have rooted/flashed likely 200+ times. Each one I'v done contain 4 things. Disclaimer that it will void your warranty, Instructions on how to Root/Flash, another Disclaimer that BEFORE you return to your carrier, and Instructions on how to un-root/Un-flash? One would think if I'm smart enough to root/flash, I would be smart enough to un-do it? Personally, I dont think she would know if i did or did not (Unless she noticed something like 'Sprint NASCAR" was missing?)
She then preceeds to tell me "This is clearly physical damage?" Again, I just turned and looked at co-worker. I asked her and the technican to find one single nick on that Photon! They tell me they cannot, but it was likely dropped. I say BS, show me.
I got tired of playing and had to get back from lunch. It dont matter, I have TEP and repair, you can't repair it, give me another one or similar phone per this $8.00 monthly TEP. She tells me physical damage is not covered. I say show me? After playing on her computer for 15 minutes, then a phone call, she gave me a new Photon.
Only at Sprint!!! Sad thing is, next year she will likely get promoted to CEO!!!!
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What was the address of the store? Did you get any part of her name at all?
EDIT: Got it, Garden State Plaza store. I'm going to escalate your experience to help improve future customer interactions. I'm not sure if this is a Sprint owned store or a 3rd party, but it shouldn't matter. You should be treated better than that.
Garden State Plaza
Merchant ID: 8015689253
Jessica Mendez
It's the one above the food court (there are 4 Sprint Stores in this Mall. They have the one I mention on Second floor above food court. In the food court they have a 3D/Photon Setup. They have a kiosh outside JC Penny's. And they have a store on the other side of Macy's!)
What I think is, Honestly, each of these stores are owned by different individuals. Each store likely get's a quoto # of Photon's to sell. The Store by Macy's told me I had to take it back where I got it, likely because it would cut into the number of phones THEY had to sell. Where I got it, more or less, just gave away $600.00!!! Just my opinion!
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What I think is, Honestly, each of these stores are owned by different individuals. Each store likely get's a quoto # of Photon's to sell. The Store by Macy's told me I had to take it back where I got it, likely because it would cut into the number of phones THEY had to sell. Where I got it, more or less, just gave away $600.00!!! Just my opinion!
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You're right. I'm pretty sure that's a 3rd party store, but they should still be more helpful and sound less clueless. Sprint is working hard to overcome a bad reputation for customer service and things like this don't help.
I'm glad you finally got resolution, but it should have been handled in one trip. The whole thing about the box was a joke. I'm betting she was hoping you would hit a different store when you came back
Online is not much better. Before reading, go to the middle of this and read my original complaint, then come back here and read Sprint's reply, then go to bottom and read my response!
Dear David Sims,
Thank you for contacting Sprint. I apologize for the inconvenience that
you have experienced.
As per your account, I can see that your phone is under 30 days return
policy. The Sprint 30-Day Risk-Free Guarantee allows you to return a
like-new phone to the point of purchase.
If you will opt for the different phone, your account will be charged
for the $35.00 for restocking fee.
Also, I can understand that your account is charged for the
International long distance calling. Let me explain that what is the
difference between International long distance and the International
roaming.
1- International long distance (ILD) is defined as making a call from
the United States to other countries in the world.
2- International roaming (IR) is defined as traveling to countries
outside of the United States, U.S. Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico.
So, these charges are valid on your account. So, due to system
restriction, we are unable to apply the credit on your account.
We value your business and appreciate the opportunity to answer your
questions.
Sincerely,
Cheryl B.
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Contact Number: 201-681-5429
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Original Question:
Question: I have Motorola Photon 4G, somehow, the power on/off button
fell out. I took the phone to Garden State Plaza in New Jersey. At
first, she asked if I had the phone for 30 days or longer. As a manager,
I felt she should have known this as Sprint did not release the phone
until August 1st. She then asked where I got it, I told her that and she
told me I had to take it back there. 1. As the phone is almost new I
should be able to replace it at ANY Sprint store I choose. 2. I go back
to where I got it (Same Mall, different store), Im told I cannot replace
it without the box? 3. I have insurancce on the phone? I'm getting mixed
answers everyone. I spent $500+ 2 weeks ago, I would like a WORKING
phone!
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Current Customer ?: Yes
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OK, I will attempt this ONE more time!! I was NOT returning the phone, I just wanted a WORKING phone. That's all I wanted. It was clear to the 2 technicans that looked at it, and it was clear manager the phone was missing this button. Additionally, this is SUPPOSED to be "Sprint's Flagship" phone. It was released August 1, 2011. The 30-day Risk-Free Guarantee should have never been a question as it's impossible for me to have owned this phone for more than 23 days. Next on this, I pay for insurance & equiptment repair to cover this, so it should not matter if I owned the device 2 days or 50 years. I was told by the Manager it was clearly physical damage. I asked her and her 2 technicans to show me ONE mark on that phone? After an hour, the phone was replaced.
Next, lets go back to my bill. CDMA Phones (Sprint and Verzion) do NOT work in Europe (well until this phone. All AT&T and T-Mobile work globally as they are GSM), If you looked at my account as you stated, you can see that 1. I do not have International dialing on my account nor did I enable it. Therefore it is impossible for me to make a International call. Secondly, in order for me to use THIS phone outside the US, I have to call Sprint to enable me in whatever country I am traveling to, therefore I could not have made those +44 (which is the UK by the way!) calls. I think we can both agree this HAD to be an incoming call (like all the rest of them!) In the last year this has not been on my bill!
Lastly, since I'm here, If you look at the attached invoice, my upgrade is $0.00. If I look at my current bill, it $19.08!!! Therefore, that charge should be removed from my bill!
Thank You for your understand.
Honestly that exchange is a little hard to follow. Did you mention the billing problem to the rep in the original submission?
I think that maybe she was trying to solve a problem when what she should have done was escalate the issue to an area manager. Did you get the billing issue fixed?
I actually noticed a Photon at the store with the power button not attached. Believe me, I will return mine in the event that falls off.
Thats like receiving a phone with a glued on screen and being help accountable if that glue wheres off and my screen is no longer attached.
To me it sounds like alot of people talking about policies and processes that they have NO OBVIOUS idea how they work.
Lets start:
First...the Evo 3D is Sprints "flagship" phone. Look up the definition if you need further assistance.
Second...ALL returns, regardless of 3rd party or Company owned require the original box when returned or a fee will be accessed. Its in your contract you sign. Try for starters to read it thoroughly before yelling and screaming at the ones of us that work for Sprint and can help you if you help yourself!
Can this be overridden? OF COURSE...but if your attitude sucks, chances are youre not going to get the "customer service" you think you are deserved.
Third...as for TEP, its Total Equipment Protection, not Insurance! BIG DIFFERENCE! This is to assist you in the cost reduction of a new device if something happens to yours. Again, reading the TEP agreement, physical damage is noted as obvious damage or missing components. YES I know, its a flaw in the design, BUT UNTIL Motorola releases a statement to Sprint verifing that this is a "known issue" with this device it will be looked at as physical damage! (Return a car to a dealer after 2 weeks with a missing door handle and see what happens...just sayin)
Fourth...its not as easy as walking in and saying "I want a new phone. Give it to me now". Again, this goes back to your TEP agreement and Sprints 30 day policy. If within 30 days, its exchange/replaced. Now, if you purchase at a Company owned store, you can return it at a Company owned store ANYWHERE. However, if you purchase it from a 3rd pary dealer, you must return it at one of their locations. This can be overridden thru customer care, but you will get NOWHERE in store. This is just the way this process works.
Fifth...understand that the person that you are dealing with in store has all the control, and its usually based off of the attitude the customer has. You yell and scream and act a fool, Im not doing **** for you. Flip side, youre calm and understanding of the processes Sprint has in place, Im gonna make SURE that you are taken care of. (Free accessory, bill credit, something...)
Hope this may lay to rest those that are only customers that think they are the CEO.
...And let the rage ensue..........
To be fair I have also walked into a sprint store and was mistreated by a person from the get go. I did nothing wrong or had any kind of bad attitude with them. I just knew the policies better then they did. Luckily a manager noticed the situation and took over helping me.
I do agree tho that some people do have horrible attitudes on both sides. Sad thing is it is those events that get blasted online. In your case I completely understand. The warranty question was ridiculous.
Also I have had beter experience at a corporate store than a 3rd party one and I always askif the store I am going to is corporate or not. I stay away from the 3rd party stores.
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Hey guys, I ran into quite a predicament today. As I was walking to work, I fell something fall out and slide half way across the parking lot. I felt me phone case (the crappy one that came with the phone), looked down on the ground and noticed it was my AWESOME Sprint Touch Pro. With the site of my phone moving in a hockey-like manner, I finished cursing and decided that I don’t want to have such an amazing phone looking like a piece of crap.
So here is where I am at. I need to get this phone fixed. I think that I might have a few options, but I want to know what you guys think. Originally, I bought this phone from a guy of Craigslist; it was $240, if you can believe it. Now, the phone had never been activated, so it was as if I was the original owner. Additionally, I never got a phone from sprint, but I am under contract. That means, according to sprint, that I am eligible for a new to get a new phone at anytime. Thus, I reach my questions and request for opinions.
Option 1 (least likely): Since the phone was never activated, can I still claim the 30-day phone guarantee from sprint? Meaning, can I return the phone as if it was defective?
Option 2 (What I will probably have to do): Should I buy a phone, get the equipment protection plan, and then process my touch pro as a defective phone. This seems like a relatively good idea, because I can get a phone pretty cheap (like the rant) and sell it on Ebay. So in the end, I make money off of this idea. The only down side is that my contract restarts, but I have only been with sprint for about four months. Also, I was going to save my free phone upgrade for next year so I could get a brand spanking new phone.
Option 3 (Don’t want to do this): Suck it up, and get a silicon case that covers the scratches. The scratches are only around the shiny part on the perimeter of the screen, which, by the way, says a lot about the quality of the screen.
Option 4 (Too much trouble): Sell it on eBay for as much as I can, and since it’s probable less than $300, put the rest out of pocket and buy a brand new touch pro from sprint.
Option 5 (Does it exits?): look for replacement housing. Since the phone is new, I don’t know if it’s even out there yet.
Thanks for all your input guys. I really hope to hear from some Sprint Reps or something. Meanwhile, I am going to try to sucker Sprint into helping me out.
P.S Yes, I know what I am doing is unethical, and that the phone is not really defective, thus I should not be returning it as defective.
I think I am having trouble understanding what happened. You have scratched your touch pro that you bought from someone else, I got that.
You never activated the phone on sprint? You should go ahead and put the phone one your account and get insurance immediately!
If you have only been with Sprint for 4 months how are you eligible for an upgrade?
If it is only chrome scratched my TP came like that. Look at the chrome around the keyboard section. At all 3 corners, excluding the Stylus one check for a "Seam" in the chrome, if it has this you can take it in and exchange at a Sprint store.
A scratched phone on Ebay will go for MUCH less than a regular one.
I am not here to tell you whether you are ethical or not, but you should exhaust all options that seem less unethical first before trying to make someone else pay for your mistake. That being said, I think everyone in the world would try to get a new phone for free, so I wouldn't feel too bad.
The phone is activated on sprint, but the person that sold it to me never activated it. It has been only a few days since I activated, can I still add the TEP? And are they going to charger a deductible, cuz they'll charge me $55 to fix it.
I am eligible for an upgrade cuz I never got a phone from sprint.
So if it has some defects I could take it back, even though I have no TEP? Unfortunately, the phone is flawless other than my stupid scratches.
TBH, I don't fell doing this to sprint. They have screwed me over many times over. This would just even it out.
If it is activated just go ahead and get insurance. You can add it anytime. They will charge deductible normally, but instead of telling them its because of scratches tell them you are experiencing poor battery life and that you can't hear anything in the speaker because it sounds like a tin can.
Oh, you never purchased a phone when you switched. I was confused. Thanks for clarification.
Look for those seams, almost every TP has them and they will switch for free without TEP. They are hard to notice but mine has em and I am going to switch soon.
They have screwed me repeatedly and I would be doing the same thing. Haha, I wasn't trying to preach in my post before.
Is there a grace period to get it? I thought it was like 30 days. Yea, I can lie to them, no problem. Though my bat life is amazing. play with it all day and never has died on me.
Can you direct me to a link to where this seams thingy is being discussed, or where the sources where u got this is at. I want to read some on it. Or maybe some pics, I didn't really know where to look.
Yea, well, they decided to renew my contract, and it said they had returned my deposit...I'm definitely going to use that against them.
To be honest, they have messed up so many times, I have only paid my full bill about 2 times.
I Heard my Sprint Rep. say that the insurance can only be added within the first 30 days.
So here is the rub....How do they know when you purchased it? Unfortunately logic would say that the insurance only applies to devices purchased directly from the carrier, but I hope I am wrong.
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I Heard my Sprint Rep. say that the insurance can only be added within the first 30 days.
So here is the rub....How do they know when you purchased it? Unfortunately logic would say that the insurance only applies to devices purchased directly from the carrier, but I hope I am wrong.
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Unless they changed the policy, that's not true. I had a phone for 6 months before I added the insurance online through the My Account feature.
But it's possible that has been changed and no longer do able.
Guys Thanks for all your responses, they are very informative.
So Basically here, I am leaning towards trying to see if I can get insurance added. I don't know how hard of a task this will be, but I hope that they can be persuaded into helping me out.
If not, I will just get a cheap phone and sell it.
Again, I am aware of the ethical lines being crossed, but wit sprint, those lines seem almost unreal.
update (Sorry about the double post):
So to my surprise srpint sent this in an email:
Regarding the call from the technical department, I have forwarded your
concern to the appropriate department.
The handset on the account is under 30 day return period. You can visit
the nearest Sprint store and replace the handset.
Thank you again for contacting Sprint. Have a great day!
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its 30 days from the day you activate the phone...so you can go to a sprint store or call customer service and add insurance
as a tech in a sprint affiliate store i WOULD NOT swap you out for free because of cosmetic damage. So you are looking at paying 50 through Asurion(the insurance company)
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update (Sorry about the double post):
So to my surprise srpint sent this in an email:
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they are full of crap lol
you cant return a phone you never purchased from a sprint store lol
Well, well see. I am going to request a return kit from them, as they said that they would do. If not, then what ever.
BTW, the phone doesn't look like its been dropped or has any cracks. The excuse, "Its been in my pocket with my keys," would fly without a hitch.
We shall see what happens.
Sorry man, haven't been around the Computer. I had insurance on my touch I bought off of ebay. I had ins on my phone before and when I activated the phone it just went ahead and switched it over to my touch. So you should be fine adding it.
You can probably send it to them, but what are they going to give you back? You paid them $0 for the phone, so be careful, that may be what they give you.
Here is the site you requested talking about the chrome seams.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44217&highlight=cracked+chrome
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Sorry man, haven't been around the Computer. I had insurance on my touch I bought off of ebay. I had ins on my phone before and when I activated the phone it just went ahead and switched it over to my touch. So you should be fine adding it.
You can probably send it to them, but what are they going to give you back? You paid them $0 for the phone, so be careful, that may be what they give you.
Here is the site you requested talking about the chrome seams.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44217&highlight=cracked+chrome
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Yea, as I thought, I don't have that problem on my phone.
So if I understand your correctly, you bought a phone from Ebay, and added insurance to it?
Sorry about double post. I just added TEP, took it in. Told them about some errors, no lies. Just some stuff that happens with the phone. Of course I know its normal, but they didn't know that. They gave me a brand new TP, and let me keep the old battery.
Thought I'd give AT&T a call to complain about the battery issue since the firmware update. My thought being that if they don't get enough people complaining about it, they won't push any fixes from Samsung to the devices...
I ended up talking to someone at an obviously out-sourced call center. I told him that since the firmware update, I've had horrible battery life AND that I've had dropped calls more often than before...
After having me sing, dance, pray to the moon, and do strange (and almost sexual) things to my phone, he decided that I should get a replacement battery. (Nevermind that the issue started from a firmware update, that my battery is in PERFECT physical shape, etc) He also managed to insult me when he first asked about moisture exposure, and then had me check the moisture indicators (they were white.)
He then checked into the dropped calls, and tells me that I might be getting dropped calls because I'm not staying perfectly still when on the phone. (I guess tower hand-off is no longer supported with AT&T wireless.) He then claims that I, in the last 2 days, had two phone calls: one for 16 minutes and one for 137 minutes. That's obviously NOT calls I've made. I then read off my call log to him (including the dropped calls.) He, without any warning, then (I guess) puts me on hold. 44 minutes later (I was timing it), I hear a click and fast busy.
It's no wonder that AT&T was rated among the worst for customer service among wireless carriers.
Gary
I know exactly what you mean. I've had similar experiences dealing with their tech support. You get put on hold for huge amounts of time, then out of nowhere, they hang up. I remember one day, I was calling about a warranty replacement for one of my older phones, I was hung up on 4 times. It wasn't a dropped call, each person I asked said the call wasn't dropped but was hanged up, (plus I have never had a dropped call). They really need to step their game up.
If only there were some way to get those damn Wireshark caps of BT-AMP going nuts to someone with a clue...
I've given up hope.
LOL! I think that's how they trained their reps. Either said that "We have no problem with ###." Or hang up if the rep cannot find the answer in the scripts on CD. LOL!
Yeah I jist got off phone with att warranty replacement. I don't know if I'm happy yet.the good news is they are sending me a replacement. Bad new is its refurbished. I told them that I didn't pay $98 for a used phone. Argument didn't get me too far so we shall see what happens. She called it a rare condition Phone. My problem was the defective screen.with black splotches
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LOL! I think that's how they trained their reps. Either said that "We have no problem with ###." Or hang up if the rep cannot find the answer in the scripts on CD. LOL!
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Lol! I worked for an AT&T call center a while back. You just gave me a flashback lol.
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Lol! I worked for an AT&T call center a while back. You just gave me a flashback lol.
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U r welcome. It must be true then. ROFLOL.
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I worked for an AT&T call center a while back.
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Oh. I'm so very sorry. Did it hurt? I'm glad to see you recovered from what must have been a low point in your life. You know, we all hit rock bottom at times, but as long as we get up, wipe off the dirt, and push on - everything will work out.
Gary
I used to work at an AT&T call center and can recommend the following when dealing with them...always call back if you don't get what you want (within reason), never wait on hold for more than 10 min at a time (it's against co. policy to not check in every 5 min), be as courteous as possible given your circumstances. As a personal choice, I never speak to guys because they never help me--I always hang up and call back. If you get someone on the line that's difficult to understand, you can always "request an American agent." The outsourced agents have to try to help you, but if you insist, they have to transfer you. I hope this was at least mildly useful to someone reading this...
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ONE of the reasons I'm moving to Verizon in a few months. Piss poor customer service. Thanks for sharing Gary!
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The outsourced agents have to try to help you, but if you insist, they have to transfer you. I hope this was at least mildly useful to someone reading this...
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Really? That IS good to know. I have a conductive hearing loss, and its VERY VERY difficult for me to understand heavy or fast accents. Especially male accents (my loss is at the lower frequencies.)
Then again, half the outsourced agents insist they are in the US (but for some reason, only the ones actually in the US will tell me what state they are in.)
Very good information! Thank you!
Oh, and I'm glad to see that you survived your experience at AT&T. I hear employees at that company are starting to learn from Foxconn employees on how to leave a job. (jump off the roof of the building.)
ATT CS can be quite helpful. You just have to know how to talk and not waste time on an unhelpful agent.
Premier CS has always been American, helpful and always got me what I want/needed.
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Premier CS has always been American, helpful and always got me what I want/needed.
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What's premier CS? Extra customer service that you have to pay for?
If so that's kinda silly. Everyone gets CS, BUT if you want good CS, you need to pay extra ..LOL
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No. I have a Premier account (tied in with my company corporate account) so when I call and the system runs my number, it sees that and automatically transfers me to Premier customer support... which has always been American, helpful and knowledgeable. I pay nothing extra.
Hmm good to know. (I've got a corporate FAN applied, so have a Premier account.)
That said, when I have an issue, I just go into a corporate store. My experience is that corporate-owned stores have superior technical support.
I'm wondering if there's a way I can bring the evidence against UCKK6 I've collected into a store and actually have it get somewhere useful...
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No. I have a Premier account (tied in with my company corporate account) so when I call and the system runs my number, it sees that and automatically transfers me to Premier customer support... which has always been American, helpful and knowledgeable. I pay nothing extra.
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ah .. I don't have a premier account which explains the sh*tty customer service.
Well I'm a COR rep at an AT&T store, and I can tell you from experience that AT&T is a horrible company is so many ways.
I won't go into how bad they are to work for, and how horrible they treat their employees. They worry about the dumbrst stuff with their reps instead of worrying about what really counts in this company.
That aside. It's bad enough they treat us bad, but what's worse is they treat the customers bad.
Calling into Warranty is a nightmare, and I always suggest just driving to a Warranty center, which will be muich easier to get your phone replaced with minimal trouble.
Our deposit requirements are higher than any other Cell company. Yes we do have stricter credit requirements than Verizon. I've had customer who've had a few lines for years and never had an original deposit or late on their bills. You go to add a line and it hit's their credit and BOOM, it wants a deposit.
I could go on for an hour about all the crap, but I don't to depress anyone. LOL
The only reason I still work for AT&T is because I have been there so long that I'd hate to start out at the bottom with another company. But there are days I get close to putting in my resume at Verizon, which I think it is much better company in many ways.
On the phone with them now...
me: "My phone is less than 2 months old! I don't want it replaced with a refurbished phone. I want a new replacement."
them: "Sir, it won't be refurbished. it will be reconditioned."
me: "Please explain to me the difference."
them: "Sir, your phone is days more than 30 old, so it has to be reconditioned".
me: "Please explain to me the difference between refurbished and reconditioned. As far as I'm aware, they are the same."
them: "I told you that you have to have reconditioned replacement."
me: "I'd like to speak with an American Agent."
them: "I have no way to transfer you."
me: "I happen to know you can. Please transfer me to an american agent"
them: "there is nothing I can do transfer you."
me: "I'd like to speak with your supervisor"
them: "will you hold for 3-4 minutes while I get supervisor?"
me: "yes"
(5 minutes later)
them: "all supervisors are busy engaging in another calls. will you want to hold 3 4 more minutes?"
me: "yes"
...
(I hung up.)
Rather than mobility, I worked for AT&T/ Bell South's DSL division. It was rough at times, but all customer service is rough. You can't pick your customers (especially not the technologically illiterate) and when handling service-related calls, you often have to clean up after sales agents who lied to customers just to make their quota. It wouldn't be so bad, but corporate was complicit in encouraging that kind of behavior and the people that suffer are the customers and the tech & service suppport agents that they get irate with. I worked the system to keep my metrics in spec because corporate was more interested in how long I spent on a call than whether or not I actually fixed their problem. My opinion was that my primary goals were customer retention and connecting people with things they can actually use instead of worthless upgrades that they couldn't. Needless to say, I was the tier 2 agent you wanted to get bc I treated rules & processes like they were written in sand instead of stone:-D
My manager didn't like it, but his boss's boss liked my effectiveness so it was all good. As far as the job goes, it paid well, the benefits were good, and with such high turnover I got seniority for schedules in <6 months
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Hi, all.
I'm a recent Galaxy Note convert. Migrated from years of glitchy and crap service from Sprint, and also a defective HTC EVO 3D. I absolutely LOVE my Note in ceramic white. However, I have had a couple of initial teething issues that I don't know are actual "problems," or just what to expect with a new Android device.
My Note is pretty much flawless most of the time, but there are instances where I've had random reboots, prolonged freezing up of the device (like when selecting certain live wallpapers and customizing their effects), and other times when transitioning from one program to the homescreen, and my phone will lag up and the icons will disappear off the screen and slowly reload a few icons at a time until everything is there, again. Also, I just realized that sometimes when I have alarms set to go off, they won't wakeup my screen. The alarm will go off but the screen will remain off. Other times the alarm will wakeup my device and turn the screen on.
So, my question is... should I be concerned and demand a new phone from Best Buy Mobile, or are these normal issues and nothing to really worry about? When I went to Best Buy, yesterday, to try and get a new phone, they were really apprehensive about it. They told me that AT&T would not allow them to replace the phone if the issues couldn't be replicated in the store (of course!). The rep did say some valid things to me about what could be causing the issues, but the whole random rebooting thing is what really has me concerned. He told me the phone was so new and that software updates have really came out yet to address any type of initial issues. Do you all agree or should I really try to get a new device??
Thanks in advance for any help.
I would get it replaced. I have not had a random reboot in both the stock rom and the SauROM custom rom. I know many others here, do not have random reboots. Something is definitely wrong hardware wise.
No random reboots or freezing on mine.
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If you're getting random reboots on stock rom with no OC, then definitely go and demand a new phone. This sounds like faulty hardware. I've never had a random reboot, even though I am undervolting and OC'd to 1.83Ghz.
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If you're getting random reboots on stock rom with no OC, then definitely go and demand a new phone. This sounds like faulty hardware. I've never had a random reboot, even though I am undervolting and OC'd to 1.83Ghz.
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I would get it replaced. I have not had a random reboot in both the stock rom and the SauROM custom rom. I know many others here, do not have random reboots. Something is definitely wrong hardware wise.
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Thanks for the advice. Yes, I am running stock ROM. So now it seems like I'm having two problems... the first being that literally no store in my immediate area has anymore ceramic white Notes in-stock and the second being the unwillingness of BB Mobile reps to replace the phone. Today ends my 14-day trial with AT& (even though I have 30-days to make a final decision) and I'm limited on how much I can do today due to an engagement I must attend, tonight. Does anyone have anymore suggestions on what I can or should do? Thanks for much for helping me sort through this. I knew that random reboots didn't sound right.
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If you're getting random reboots on stock rom with no OC, then definitely go and demand a new phone. This sounds like faulty hardware. I've never had a random reboot, even though I am undervolting and OC'd to 1.83Ghz.
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When u overclock do you notice the phone grtig hotter than when you don't?
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keilbaca said:
I would get it replaced. I have not had a random reboot in both the stock rom and the SauROM custom rom. I know many others here, do not have random reboots. Something is definitely wrong hardware wise.
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Agree.
The other stuff you mention (laggy screen transitions and such) seems to be par for the course where just about any Samsung Galaxy phone is concerned, to differing degrees on different devices, but there's zero reason why a brand new device should be locking up and powering off on you, unless there's more to the story.
In either case, dump it and get a new one.
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Agree.
The other stuff you mention (laggy screen transitions and such) seems to be par for the course where just about any Samsung Galaxy phone is concerned, to differing degrees on different devices, but there's zero reason why a brand new device should be locking up and powering off on you, unless there's more to the story.
In either case, dump it and get a new one.
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Thanks. There's no more to the story. Haven't really played around with the phone much or modified anything. Anything modifications I've done have been 100% stock. I guess I'll have to try and get the black/blue Note and before my 30-days or up, hope to swap it out for another ceramic white. Considering this wasn't my fault and BB gave me the run-a-round.
Do what you have to do, but get that sucker replaced. If you have to raise your voice with them and tell them they sold you faulty hardware and you want a replacement or a full refund. If they say no, tell them to get their boss, if that person says no, tell them to get their boss. Eventually they will say their boss is not there, at that point tell them to get the DM (district manager) on the phone. Someone will bend and give you want you deserve, that's the whole point of a return policy. Honestly if they did absolutely ANYTHING but give me what I wanted with a smile on their face, I would demand a refund as they have not erned my money. Take that refund and go to an ATT store or go online and buy that phone. I have had to take the "get your boss" route several times when they tried to give me the run around and I know I'm right. Once someone tried to tell me that they wern't aloud to call/contact their DM (this was a radio shack), so i found called another radio shack and just asked "whos your DM...ok and I need to contact him, can I have a number" and about 5 minutes of hold I had their number and called him directly to tell him the BS I was dealing with. At some point you will get the guy who isnt taking the return personally and knows his job is to smooth this crap out, simple as that.
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Do what you have to do, but get that sucker replaced. If you have to raise your voice with them and tell them they sold you faulty hardware and you want a replacement or a full refund. If they say no, tell them to get their boss, if that person says no, tell them to get their boss. Eventually they will say their boss is not there, at that point tell them to get the DM (district manager) on the phone. Someone will bend and give you want you deserve, that's the whole point of a return policy. Honestly if they did absolutely ANYTHING but give me what I wanted with a smile on their face, I would demand a refund as they have not erned my money. Take that refund and go to an ATT store or go online and buy that phone. I have had to take the "get your boss" route several times when they tried to give me the run around and I know I'm right. Once someone tried to tell me that they wern't aloud to call/contact their DM (this was a radio shack), so i found called another radio shack and just asked "whos your DM...ok and I need to contact him, can I have a number" and about 5 minutes of hold I had their number and called him directly to tell him the BS I was dealing with. At some point you will get the guy who isnt taking the return personally and knows his job is to smooth this crap out, simple as that.
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Thanks for the excellent response. I just returned from the BB Mobile store I purchased my Note from. Even though I was told BEFORE I came that they had ONE ceramic white Note left... when I got there, I was told not only did they not have anymore white Notes (and haven't had any for a few days) but they were completely sold out of black Notes. I was then told to "factory reset" my phone, as a "be all to end all" solution. I feel so exhausted. I'm scared to ask for a refund and then go to an AT&T store and AT&T tells me they won't approve me for a line of service. I know it's most likely improbable that will happen, but you never know. I just don't want to be locked into a contract and then they have the ultimate freedom to not work with me. But what you said makes a lot of sense. I wish you had posted your response before I went to the BB Mobile store. I really don't want to take a second trip there, tonight.
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Thanks for the excellent response. I just returned from the BB Mobile store I purchased my Note from. Even though I was told BEFORE I came that they had ONE ceramic white Note left... when I got there, I was told not only did they not have anymore white Notes (and haven't had any for a few days) but they were completely sold out of black Notes. I was then told to "factory reset" my phone, as a "be all to end all" solution. I feel so exhausted. I'm scared to ask for a refund and then go to an AT&T store and AT&T tells me they won't approve me for a line of service. I know it's most likely improbable that will happen, but you never know. I just don't want to be locked into a contract and then they have the ultimate freedom to not work with me. But what you said makes a lot of sense. I wish you had posted your response before I went to the BB Mobile store. I really don't want to take a second trip there, tonight.
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I understand man, its a chore to deal wit hthis crap. I do not know how the deal between ATT and BB works, but if you have a ATT store around maybe give them a call and tell them about what your dealing with, or hell call ATT customer service and tell them that they sold you a defective phone and you're just trying to get a new one. Wiping may actually help, but who knows. Your on a time crunch, I'd be more aggressive with every passing day. Maybe someone here can shed some light on the relationship between the two entities and if there is anything ATT can do.
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I understand man, its a chore to deal wit hthis crap. I do not know how the deal between ATT and BB works, but if you have a ATT store around maybe give them a call and tell them about what your dealing with, or hell call ATT customer service and tell them that they sold you a defective phone and you're just trying to get a new one. Wiping may actually help, but who knows. Your on a time crunch, I'd be more aggressive with every passing day. Maybe someone here can shed some light on the relationship between the two entities and if there is anything ATT can do.
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Thanks again for all of your help. I was actually thinking about calling AT&T and saying what you suggested. I think I'll give them a call when I'm done with my engagement. Again, I appreciate all of your help and suggestions.
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If you're getting random reboots on stock rom with no OC, then definitely go and demand a new phone. This sounds like faulty hardware. I've never had a random reboot, even though I am undervolting and OC'd to 1.83Ghz.
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A little off topic, but what did you undervolt to? I am running at 1.83ghz right now, and am curious what you undervolted to. Anything to save a little heat from forming and battery life for this thing
*UPDATE* So I just got off the phone with AT&T customer service. Now, grant it, this is only my second experience dealing with AT&T customer service and they were probably bending over backwards for me because I am not a customer locked to contract... but I have a very pleasant and satisfying experience with AT&T. Not the horror stories I've heard online. I talked to two different reps, one regular rep and another in the warranty dept, and both were helpful, knowledgeable, and shutdown all of the lies Best Buy had told me.
Both reps said they had no idea why BB was being asses about giving me a new phone. The rep in the warranty dept went much further, and apologized to me for all of the troubles they put me through ... and specifically stated that she had no idea why BB didn't simply give me a brand new phone, as that's the whole reason AT&T has the 30-day buyers remorse policy. She said it didn't matter what the reason was for my wanting a new phone, I am still covered under the 30-day policy, and BB should have simply given me a brand new replacement phone.
The final recommendation was since I technically bought my phone from BB, normally the policy would be I would have to get BB to honor AT&Ts policy and give me a new phone. But, because of all of the lies and run-a-round, AT&T recommended I go to an actual AT&T Store and they should pretty much be able to give me a new Note. AT&T setup a time to call me on Monday, to find out if I was able to get a replacement phone. They notated my account, and they said that if for some reason I wasn't able to get a new phone at the AT&T Store, the warrant dept would send out a new phone to me. A bit of a hassel, but overall it seems like my issue will be resolved (I hope!).
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*UPDATE* So I just got off the phone with AT&T customer service. Now, grant it, this is only my second experience dealing with AT&T customer service and they were probably bending over backwards for me because I am not a customer locked to contract... but I have a very pleasant and satisfying experience with AT&T. Not the horror stories I've heard online. I talked to two different reps, one regular rep and another in the warranty dept, and both were helpful, knowledgeable, and shutdown all of the lies Best Buy had told me.
Both reps said they had no idea why BB was being asses about giving me a new phone. The rep in the warranty dept went much further, and apologized to me for all of the troubles they put me through ... and specifically stated that she had no idea why BB didn't simply give me a brand new phone, as that's the whole reason AT&T has the 30-day buyers remorse policy. She said it didn't matter what the reason was for my wanting a new phone, I am still covered under the 30-day policy, and BB should have simply given me a brand new replacement phone.
The final recommendation was since I technically bought my phone from BB, normally the policy would be I would have to get BB to honor AT&Ts policy and give me a new phone. But, because of all of the lies and run-a-round, AT&T recommended I go to an actual AT&T Store and they should pretty much be able to give me a new Note. AT&T setup a time to call me on Monday, to find out if I was able to get a replacement phone. They notated my account, and they said that if for some reason I wasn't able to get a new phone at the AT&T Store, the warrant dept would send out a new phone to me. A bit of a hassel, but overall it seems like my issue will be resolved (I hope!).
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Good stuff. I really dislike Best Buy and everything that they do... this is just another knife in the chest for them.
I'm glad you got everything sorted out.
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Good stuff. I really dislike Best Buy and everything that they do... this is just another knife in the chest for them.
I'm glad you got everything sorted out.
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Yes, I'm getting to that point, too. And it doesn't help they usually employ riff-raff trash around my area. I am calling BB during normal business hours to cancel my insurance with them. I've spent like $1,500 with them in the last year or so and another $350+ with getting the Note, and to be lied to over some B.S., just has me really soured. I would rather just have my insurance through AT&T.
Hate to hear all that mess...best buy mobile is going further and further down hill. Att was right...best buy should have replaced the phone. If they had none they should have secured one by order or sent you to a store that had one. Even if you were out of the 30 days the insurance would have covered you.
On a positive note, glad to see ya! I remember seeing you around the evo threads back when I had one
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Yes, I'm getting to that point, too. And it doesn't help they usually employ riff-raff trash around my area. I am calling BB during normal business hours to cancel my insurance with them. I've spent like $1,500 with them in the last year or so and another $350+ with getting the Note, and to be lied to over some B.S., just has me really soured. I would rather just have my insurance through AT&T.
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Hate to hear all that mess...best buy mobile is going further and further down hill. Att was right...best buy should have replaced the phone. If they had none they should have secured one by order or sent you to a store that had one. Even if you were out of the 30 days the insurance would have covered you.
On a positive note, glad to see ya! I remember seeing you around the evo threads back when I had one
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Hiya! Thanks for remembering moi lol. AT&T wasn't at all flattered that BB tried to throw them under the bus. I was fully expecting AT&T to confirm what BB had told me, but to my surprise, they said I was entitled to a new phone and should have been given one. I ended up going to a Best Buy Mobile outlet and an actual Best Buy Store. They all claimed they were fresh out of any Notes. One of them told me they had one in-stock, but when I got there, I was immediately told that was incorrect and they had no more. Called another BB in my area, they were supposedly fresh out, too. If there's any good news from all of this, it's that the Note must apparently be extremely popular! Either that or Samsung shipped very limited quantities. At any rate, I can't wait til BB customer service center opens, so I can cancel my insurance with them. I'm also taking back my Galaxy Tab to BB. I've barely used it since getting the Note. If I do decide I need a tablet, I'll see what the Galaxy Note 10.1 is all about.
awesome news man! Glad we were able to get you straightened out. This right here is the whole reason behind XDA. People coming together to help each other out. I am doing battle with AT&T right now myself. My situation is with my discount. I qualify for a stack of different discounts (can only have one though) and Everytime they "fix" my account I end up gettings texts telling me to call this number and verify my discount. When I call they tell me they need me to send them more paperwork. Im still in my 30day window, but barely, so I'm going down to the store tonight with box and receipts and telling them to have it fixed while standing there or refund me, no other options, no wait and see if this worked, no email BS. Either it works or it doesnt, simple as that. Im hoping I'll still be around this forum with my note and not another section of XDA with a new carrier.
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awesome news man! Glad we were able to get you straightened out. This right here is the whole reason behind XDA. People coming together to help each other out. I am doing battle with AT&T right now myself. My situation is with my discount. I qualify for a stack of different discounts (can only have one though) and Everytime they "fix" my account I end up gettings texts telling me to call this number and verify my discount. When I call they tell me they need me to send them more paperwork. Im still in my 30day window, but barely, so I'm going down to the store tonight with box and receipts and telling them to have it fixed while standing there or refund me, no other options, no wait and see if this worked, no email BS. Either it works or it doesnt, simple as that. Im hoping I'll still be around this forum with my note and not another section of XDA with a new carrier.
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I hope you get this sorted out. Discounts are a huge thing. I don't even know if I qualify for any discounts. With Sprint, they made it sort of obvious to find out what discounts I was eligible for. Doesn't appear to be the same with AT&T. I guess I'd have to do my own homework.
Thought I would try and give back a little to the boards with a short rant about sprint, maybe someone will find a useful bit of info from my crazy month of wtf.
So I got an Evo LTE, and im a OG evo guy since the release day so I expected a great deal from the brand. Im a 10+year guy with sprint, 2 lines, equipment protection plan, yada yada... When I got the phone charged up for the first time I tried making a call right away and couldnt get a signal; same house my OG evo works ok in. I was sent an air rave tower right away, which is both a curse and a blessing. I have my LTE (stock) for about a week and I start getting random reboots, I wait a day to make sure there wasn't something I was overlooking. My conclusion was I'm having the common random reboot problem. In addition I was also getting about 5 hours max battery life, and intermittent wifi, and strange overheating of the metal part of the cover. I called sprint and asked them what I should do, and they set me up with an appointment at the local store.
I bought the phone on a Thursday, and tried to return it two Thursdays later 14 days from the date on my receipt, at which point I was told they would not give me a phone out of inventory because my "14 day" return period expired. I argued all the way up to the store manager, with whom I shared words with. I was left with one alternative which was a "45min" wait for a tech to tell me my phone is broken, and 3 days from then I would get a replacement mailed to that store where I would have to return and exchange my old device, which they rudely handed back to me and said I should keep so "they don't loose it." I was leaving on a plane the next day and there was a hurricane coming so I told them I will keep the phone a few more days and they should f-%# themselves. Their 14 day return period starts the day BEFORE you buy the phone. returning two weeks from the day is 15 days on Sprint clocks, even when the Sprint rep on the phone makes your appointment for you. needless to say I was asked to leave the store.
The hurricane (more like tropical storm) shows up and my flight gets canceled, and the intermittent power outages basically disabled my airrave tower, so I was going on my third week with no working phone. I finally give up on all the crap and got a hold of the retention department or whatever they are called. I told them that if I can't get a phone out of inventory at the store the same day, im pretty sure Verizon would. They coughed up a $50 service credit and told me I had to go through the process. I re-activated my og evo so I would have somewhat of a reliable situation.
I went back to a different sprint store this week with an appointment and got lectured by a flunky girl who quoted the company line and tried telling me I clearly had a bad battery, and software issues. After I received my lecture from her I assured her I read all about many different people with my specific problems and I know she does too so lets get down to business ( I had waited 45 min with on time arrival for the appointment ). She started poking around my account (after having me read her my pin number aloud in public) and told me I canceled my equipment protection on the LTE and there was nothing she could do. I invited her to think about that for a minute, and she realized the person on the sprint *2 call that activated my OG Evo decided to remove my equipment plan without authorization. then I get the manager again, and 30-40 min later they hashed it out and told me keep my LTE and comeback tuesday (today) to pick up my replacement. I should also note that my google voice number was completely disabled from my account, (confirmed after an hour of trying to renew it via phone and computer.)
I go in today at 8pm, wait 30 min before anyone would talk to me about why I was there and encounter a soft spoken kid who couldn't figure out what I was asking for. He disappears in the back for a while then comes out with a refurbished OG Evo! They ordered the wrong Darn phone! I was not really surprised by this in retrospect... I then sat there with the manager while he tried to resolve the problem. His solution? I was told the order ticket was canceled (lies, we all know the first girl ordered me an OG Evo even though she held my LTE in her hand and solicited that I rate her well in my followup survey call); He then deactivated my OG evo, reactivated my LTE so he could order one, then tried and failed to re-activate my OG evo to no avail. After 20 min, I told him i knew how to update my profile and to fix it after I get home.
Needless to say, my OG evo is still not activated (he went home leaving me with no phone for yet another day), and my current status is I'm waiting for my factory (s on) new-ish LTE which may or may not be in by friday afternoon. The whole time there was a drawer full of inventory LTE's that they explicitly would not give me despite my hassle. I invited them to let me out of my contract and take their lemon LTE back and was again told no.
At some point in there I tried a few new ROMS and TWRP. I got stuck in a softbrick after an update to one of them ( I believe it was the meanROM ICS v39) which may have been my fault, not sure so no insult is intended. I believe it was a TWRP problem a few people seem to have had I've read. I was able to break the softbrick by getting into to recovery
(vol down and power pressed for 20 seconds then release > then vol down + power for 2 seconds each, 3 times > re-lock > then running the RUU jewel back to stock. Tamper message goes away after that and I was left with ReLocked message. The phone still has ALL of the aforementioned problems (as it did with any ROM I tried). Sorry I can't be much more helpful to the dev's with my descriptions, but it probably wont serve any of you to troubleshoot based off my results with a defective unit. One last thing- I have a wifi issue since day one with the LTE, it takes about 5 seconds to connect to any website the first time, after that everything loads in a snap, but browsing brings back the 5 second problem about every 3rd link I click.
tl;dr
What you should learn:
-Sprint 14 day return policy is no questions asked replacement from inventory provided you return within 13 days.
-Activating a legacy will probably nuke your google voice integration as well as complicate your replacement order.
-my random reboot problem didn't start until after about 1 week and minimum changes to the phone ( I have been doing most of my android stuff with my Nexus 7 tab.)
-Airrave towers die from fluctuating power for a couple hours (like during a tropical storm). Towers in S. Fla. worked for my girls Metro PCS device the whole time, as well as my OG Evo (not connected to service at that point).
-Sprint will NOT send you a replacement phone via post any longer.
-You must return to a Corporate store to get a replacement, and you have to drive back over there once it comes in (make an appointment!)
-You can probably snag a $50 service credit if you threaten to cancel (I've read people getting more).
On an unrelated note:
-(class 10) 32 GB micro sd card on newegg goes for about $20 with shipping, they are $100 at the Sprint outlet.
-$50 otterbox cases are clunky and not my taste, my 'greatshield' case from the egg was < $10 and I like it.
-Screen protectors at sprint are 10x as much dough as online.
If anyone is interested I will try and update this post after I get my new phone (if I get a new phone.) Sprint has gone a long way down, but the competitors are no better so don't be insulted if your one of their good employees. My total estimated lost time over this debacle has been about 4 weeks without a new working phone I already paid for, and 8 hours of driving, and waiting in the store or on the phone. I got kicked out of the store for cursing out the manager who was talking to me like im an imbecilic drone like he is, other than that almost every one else was dumb but well mannered. He actually called me out when I told him I was flying out of town, and work 7 days a week. He actually told me that there are laws that I must be given days off ( insinuating I was lying ). This is pretty ironic considering im a lawyer in this state; I know more than a few of the lurkers here are lawyers too, i'm sure you understand the long hours). His condescension pushed me over the edge, and hes lucky he didn't meet the old me.
Thx to all the Devs on xda for your superb work.
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I really need a sig here::: would love to post thumbs of my legacy hardware, it would be pretty fun going back down memory lane. I honestly miss my treo(s)
yeah i had a snafu with sprint and thats when I gave them the middle finger. got out of my contract ETF free despite the fact i was 22 days in.
Well,after 3 weeks of phone calls sprint finally decided to send me a replacement evo,i mean its really bad when you have to go throught all this just to get a working phone,it shows that sprint has no interest in keeping customers happy,i came from verizon and they offer you a replacement without hassle,i dont know if its because verizon is doing way better financially or what,but they need to get their stuff together
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Damn and here I am never having a issue with Sprint at all. Never had a issue getting a replacement phone or with dropping calls.
Now I have a issue with best buy black tie plans and getting a phone but that's a story for another day.
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I think the stores in your area dropped the ball. Only in the case of ordering you the wrong phone and making you wait again while the correct one came in. The other things technically were Sprint policy.
My location would have worked with you on the point of ordering the wrong phone. That is of course assuming you were polite. Individuals who are condescending jerks don't get far. Not saying that's what you are or were.
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So from what I gathered from the wrong phone being ordered is that sprint has to order the device that is currently active on the account. That explains why u got an Og evo and not the lte. I'm a tech at sprint and that's how the system works.
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Full of thoughts...
Thanks for all of the sophisticated replies, glad to finally be posting here after a few years of lurking.
Something is very broken at Sprint and I suspect it has everything to do with a bunch of gone by night,
corporate exec's that fire people in hallways and use phrases like "corporate efficiency"...
I estimate my lifetime sprint spending at a modest $25,000. Its a severe kick to the gentleman region
that the moment my phone stopped working It was not replaced.
Honestly, I know how corporate employees feel, but the beauracratic, non-sense policies that ignore what I
need ( a working phone ) and sanction customers like me (my time and patients) are a disaster for many
companies. I was in sever need of my working phone connection, and I got screwed by sprint policy that
keeps them from loosing money from customers that can't be compared to me.
I'm a super nice guy most of the time, it was always served me well to try and give people what they want.
I may be highly educated and blessed for my financial situation (im not rich, but am thankful), however
I grew up in Detroit, a city with a 50% literacy rate, 25% highschool graduation rate, and crippling
unemployment (possibly as high as 30-40% un-adjusted). For lack of a better way of saying it, I talk like
a common man. I am also from a very violent place, so I have learned to respect people who I don't know
much about, but to strike back when they cross the line with me. So i probably sounded like a jerk bag getting
kicked out of a Sprint store, but believe me ... come visit south Florida sometime, you will honestly wonder
how some people here made it to adult-hood.
As a side note; if you work in customer service don't talk about customers in a different language. My girl and
I combined understand 6-7 languages (most fluent). We normally dress down, I like wearing jersies and sandals.
We both look 5-10 years younger than we are, and could easily be stereo-typed as no one important- in
fact we both like it that way. I've never asked Sprint for any special favors.
That being said, I have some valuable business advice for Sprint, and would go into MUCH more detail with
someone who was in charge at their higher levels: basically Sprint needs a way to tell the difference between
customers that are a money suck, and ones who are the bread and butter. Then that system needs to be easily
applied by the worker bees.
All that the store manager had to do on my first trip to sprint was to get me a working phone line and make it
easy for me to exchange, even if I had to come back. Its the MOST BASIC reason anyone walks in a sprint store,
and their relative inability to deal with a hardware issue without insulting me and wasting my time is a
malignant corporate problem, not an employee problem.
Make up your own minds about how I sound, it is what it is. If you work for Sprint I encourage you to
not take offense to my comments, Im really trying to use broad strokes with these points.
XDA members are so, so close to a new watershed in tele-com; It wont be long now untill none of us will be
willing to sign contracts and/or purchase hardware from our cellular providers. The rest of the world isn't
going to take to long to catch on either. With companies like metro pcs doing the kind of numbers they are,
Sprint as we now know it is going to be a relic.
My Sprint experiences have been positive 80% of the time, but when it goes bad it goes really bad.
@David: BestBuy is going to die a slow, painful corporate death before 2022 I surmise. Their problems
are very similar to sprint, sorry for your bad luck with them; I think I already know what you would say.
I'm confident people like on this forum will bring the industry back up to speed on their own terms. Its really
quite an amazing community, a real credit to humanity. I dont just say that, the existence of a dev community
like this is quite a unique human event (a sort of enlightenment.) There are not enought nice things to say about
how people here help others with something they genuinely do for fun.
Cell companies on a whole are intellectually dishonest with the people, and have adopted the economic principals
of companies that are the college examples of myopic, unethical, poorly directed, abusers. Much like the mortgage
industry, lack of consumer oriented management has created a culture of abuse and if my readers don't agree, they
can at least understand why I make the argument.
I have gotten pretty far away from what I started talking about, so Ill leave it here: invest in google, they are
sending a pretty clear message to sprint by rolling out google Fiber in Kansas...IMO
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redwings23 said:
Honestly, I know how corporate employees feel....
.... and I got screwed by sprint policy that
keeps them from loosing money from customers that can't be compared to me.
I'm a super nice guy most of the time...
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You must be a Republican. You've got to be right? Sure that holds no relevance but your post screams Republican. Lol.
No offense but this post is drenched in the very condescending tone that I was under the impression you communicated in. All customers should be viewed as equal. It's unfair to believe otherwise. I understand you feel as though your needs and requests hold priority over that of the majority but policies are policies and they are in place for a reason. There is no excuse it took so long for your replacement device to arrive, but let's be honest. You did have a functional phone in the meantime, right? Sprint should have taken responsibility for their mistake though. I definitely empathize with you on that point.
I'm sorry, the entitlement argument always rubs me the wrong way.
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Thought I would try and give back a little to the boards with a short rant about sprint, maybe someone will find a useful bit of info from my crazy month of wtf.
So I got an Evo LTE, and im a OG evo guy since the release day so I expected a great deal from the brand. Im a 10+year guy with sprint, 2 lines, equipment protection plan, yada yada... When I got the phone charged up for the first time I tried making a call right away and couldnt get a signal; same house my OG evo works ok in. I was sent an air rave tower right away, which is both a curse and a blessing. I have my LTE (stock) for about a week and I start getting random reboots, I wait a day to make sure there wasn't something I was overlooking. My conclusion was I'm having the common random reboot problem. In addition I was also getting about 5 hours max battery life, and intermittent wifi, and strange overheating of the metal part of the cover. I called sprint and asked them what I should do, and they set me up with an appointment at the local store.
I bought the phone on a Thursday, and tried to return it two Thursdays later 14 days from the date on my receipt, at which point I was told they would not give me a phone out of inventory because my "14 day" return period expired. I argued all the way up to the store manager, with whom I shared words with. I was left with one alternative which was a "45min" wait for a tech to tell me my phone is broken, and 3 days from then I would get a replacement mailed to that store where I would have to return and exchange my old device, which they rudely handed back to me and said I should keep so "they don't loose it." I was leaving on a plane the next day and there was a hurricane coming so I told them I will keep the phone a few more days and they should f-%# themselves. Their 14 day return period starts the day BEFORE you buy the phone. returning two weeks from the day is 15 days on Sprint clocks, even when the Sprint rep on the phone makes your appointment for you. needless to say I was asked to leave the store.
The hurricane (more like tropical storm) shows up and my flight gets canceled, and the intermittent power outages basically disabled my airrave tower, so I was going on my third week with no working phone. I finally give up on all the crap and got a hold of the retention department or whatever they are called. I told them that if I can't get a phone out of inventory at the store the same day, im pretty sure Verizon would. They coughed up a $50 service credit and told me I had to go through the process. I re-activated my og evo so I would have somewhat of a reliable situation.
I went back to a different sprint store this week with an appointment and got lectured by a flunky girl who quoted the company line and tried telling me I clearly had a bad battery, and software issues. After I received my lecture from her I assured her I read all about many different people with my specific problems and I know she does too so lets get down to business ( I had waited 45 min with on time arrival for the appointment ). She started poking around my account (after having me read her my pin number aloud in public) and told me I canceled my equipment protection on the LTE and there was nothing she could do. I invited her to think about that for a minute, and she realized the person on the sprint *2 call that activated my OG Evo decided to remove my equipment plan without authorization. then I get the manager again, and 30-40 min later they hashed it out and told me keep my LTE and comeback tuesday (today) to pick up my replacement. I should also note that my google voice number was completely disabled from my account, (confirmed after an hour of trying to renew it via phone and computer.)
I go in today at 8pm, wait 30 min before anyone would talk to me about why I was there and encounter a soft spoken kid who couldn't figure out what I was asking for. He disappears in the back for a while then comes out with a refurbished OG Evo! They ordered the wrong Darn phone! I was not really surprised by this in retrospect... I then sat there with the manager while he tried to resolve the problem. His solution? I was told the order ticket was canceled (lies, we all know the first girl ordered me an OG Evo even though she held my LTE in her hand and solicited that I rate her well in my followup survey call); He then deactivated my OG evo, reactivated my LTE so he could order one, then tried and failed to re-activate my OG evo to no avail. After 20 min, I told him i knew how to update my profile and to fix it after I get home.
Needless to say, my OG evo is still not activated (he went home leaving me with no phone for yet another day), and my current status is I'm waiting for my factory (s on) new-ish LTE which may or may not be in by friday afternoon. The whole time there was a drawer full of inventory LTE's that they explicitly would not give me despite my hassle. I invited them to let me out of my contract and take their lemon LTE back and was again told no.
At some point in there I tried a few new ROMS and TWRP. I got stuck in a softbrick after an update to one of them ( I believe it was the meanROM ICS v39) which may have been my fault, not sure so no insult is intended. I believe it was a TWRP problem a few people seem to have had I've read. I was able to break the softbrick by getting into to recovery
(vol down and power pressed for 20 seconds then release > then vol down + power for 2 seconds each, 3 times > re-lock > then running the RUU jewel back to stock. Tamper message goes away after that and I was left with ReLocked message. The phone still has ALL of the aforementioned problems (as it did with any ROM I tried). Sorry I can't be much more helpful to the dev's with my descriptions, but it probably wont serve any of you to troubleshoot based off my results with a defective unit. One last thing- I have a wifi issue since day one with the LTE, it takes about 5 seconds to connect to any website the first time, after that everything loads in a snap, but browsing brings back the 5 second problem about every 3rd link I click.
tl;dr
What you should learn:
-Sprint 14 day return policy is no questions asked replacement from inventory provided you return within 13 days.
-Activating a legacy will probably nuke your google voice integration as well as complicate your replacement order.
-my random reboot problem didn't start until after about 1 week and minimum changes to the phone ( I have been doing most of my android stuff with my Nexus 7 tab.)
-Airrave towers die from fluctuating power for a couple hours (like during a tropical storm). Towers in S. Fla. worked for my girls Metro PCS device the whole time, as well as my OG Evo (not connected to service at that point).
-Sprint will NOT send you a replacement phone via post any longer.
-You must return to a Corporate store to get a replacement, and you have to drive back over there once it comes in (make an appointment!)
-You can probably snag a $50 service credit if you threaten to cancel (I've read people getting more).
On an unrelated note:
-(class 10) 32 GB micro sd card on newegg goes for about $20 with shipping, they are $100 at the Sprint outlet.
-$50 otterbox cases are clunky and not my taste, my 'greatshield' case from the egg was < $10 and I like it.
-Screen protectors at sprint are 10x as much dough as online.
If anyone is interested I will try and update this post after I get my new phone (if I get a new phone.) Sprint has gone a long way down, but the competitors are no better so don't be insulted if your one of their good employees. My total estimated lost time over this debacle has been about 4 weeks without a new working phone I already paid for, and 8 hours of driving, and waiting in the store or on the phone. I got kicked out of the store for cursing out the manager who was talking to me like im an imbecilic drone like he is, other than that almost every one else was dumb but well mannered. He actually called me out when I told him I was flying out of town, and work 7 days a week. He actually told me that there are laws that I must be given days off ( insinuating I was lying ). This is pretty ironic considering im a lawyer in this state; I know more than a few of the lurkers here are lawyers too, i'm sure you understand the long hours). His condescension pushed me over the edge, and hes lucky he didn't meet the old me.
Thx to all the Devs on xda for your superb work.
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I really need a sig here::: would love to post thumbs of my legacy hardware, it would be pretty fun going back down memory lane. I honestly miss my treo(s)
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Nice tirade BTW. But, you did your math wrong. You bought it on thursday, that is day 1. Day14 would therefore be wednesday.
troll?
wolfclan68 said:
Nice tirade BTW. But, you did your math wrong. You bought it on thursday, that is day 1. Day14 would therefore be wednesday.
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Is this a troll?
Try again, the way the planet Earth works is that you turn one year old on the anniversary of your birth.
I returned to the store 13 days and 18 hours prior to my previous visit.
When considering some potential for illogical ambiguity such as yours,
Sprint should confer benefit of the doubt upon the disadvantaged party (me).
Sprint sold me a lemon, and a monthly plan for equipment guarantee, which makes me a disadvantaged party.
I was also given a receipt with terms of adhesion incorporated into it mentioning 14 days with no clarification of
the intent that the moment the transaction occurred a full day is presumed as having past.
Turns out the Florida Supreme Court agrees with my logic: the day the transaction takes place is not included.
For instance, If I serve you with a lawsuit today, you have 30 days (starting at zero) to respond.
If it had said "return the phone within 30 days of the purchase date", you might have yourself an argument.
"14 days" is a measurement of time that appeared on my contract.
Lets review:
-if I agree to give you one apple a day for 14 days starting on a Thursday you will get your last apple on Wednesday.
-if I agree to give you an apple in 14 days, you will get an apple two Thursdays from now.
Now lets have fun:
suppose today is Thursday
-If I tell you to meet me in Vegas in 7 days, you will expect me next thursday
-if i tell you meet me at my office before I go home in 8 hours, you can add 8 hours to the current time and rely on me leaving at the sum.
suppose its 5pm-
-If you ask me (on a Thursday) to meet you at your office within 336 hours I have until next Thursday at 5pm to comply.
336 hours = 14 days
Now try substituting '336 hours' for the words 'two weeks' or '14 days'; Rational minds work in mysterious ways.
sprint's stated policy
Now that we've covered the basics, dead over to sprint dot com /landings/returns/
within 14 days of activation (day 1 of the 14 days starts when the phone is activated)
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They even messed it up there!
Day 1 starts when the phone is activated?
That clearly means two different things...
Day one starts and ends when exactly?
Why should a customer have to guess, especially in the 24 hour world of web shopping?
Why not simply state the date which will be the last of the period? I know my library does.
I wonder if anyone else has pondered this problem, oh say 3 years ago on yahoo! answers...
http:/ /answers.yahoo. com/question/index?qid=20090929112655AAk7o1O
in the future you can bypass the whole store visit by calling them and stating the problem and they will drop ship you another device right then if within the time period. I've done it before a few times no problems at all.
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in the future you can bypass the whole store visit by calling them and stating the problem and they will drop ship you another device right then if within the time period. I've done it before a few times no problems at all.
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I tired, I know what you mean too. I had a treo drop dead after a few days and it was about as painless as a phone call and dealing with the return packaging. Unless I seriously missed something, I tried talking to many different people, supervisors, etc.
I called on the 10th day (or if your a sprint employee the 11th) and talked to a rep who told me there is no way for them to send me a phone AT ALL. I argued up to the supervisor, and was told that Sprint has changed its policies quite drastically since the iphone was brought over :facepalm:
Anyway, I believe the new policy is that you HAVE TO take your exchange back to a Sprint corporate store, and have exchanges made there within the 13 days time frame.
Another guy also informed me that if I did a straight up insurance claim on the phone I would have to pay a $200 deductible.
hopeless..... Im calling the store tonight, Im pondering how to stay calm. If the new phone is flawed in any more than minor way and not fixed with an inventory phone, im giving up and will be trying to get out of the ETF and finding a new carrier. Im sure I can get my $200 back out of the virgin hardware. I give them 3 to 1 odds of not screwing something else up.
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I argued up to the supervisor, and was told that Sprint has changed its policies quite drastically since the iphone was brought over :facepalm:
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I know you probably don't think you are being condescending, but the fact that you had to argue on your call with customer service makes me think you come across as such.
And while you think Sprint should see you as better than the riff-raff, truth is, your individual account is no different than the millions of other individual Sprint customers. I also have issues with my local Sprint corporate store service techs, but I have nothing but positives for the business customer care department.
Quis89 said:
You must be a Republican. You've got to be right? Sure that holds no relevance but your post screams Republican. Lol.
No offense but this post is drenched in the very condescending tone that I was under the impression you communicated in. All customers should be viewed as equal. It's unfair to believe otherwise. I understand you feel as though your needs and requests hold priority over that of the majority but policies are policies and they are in place for a reason. There is no excuse it took so long for your replacement device to arrive, but let's be honest. You did have a functional phone in the meantime, right? Sprint should have taken responsibility for their mistake though. I definitely empathize with you on that point.
I'm sorry, the entitlement argument always rubs me the wrong way.
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in the future you can bypass the whole store visit by calling them and stating the problem and they will drop ship you another device right then if within the time period. I've done it before a few times no problems at all.
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Yeah I called Sprint one morning because I had no data after updating PRL. Within 10 minutes they were ready to send me a new phone.
I was able to fix it by connecting to a WiFi connection to update and it was fine so I kept my phone. I thought they were more than helpful.
Naters
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bman3333 said:
I know you probably don't think you are being condescending, but the fact that you had to argue on your call with customer service makes me think you come across as such.
And while you think Sprint should see you as better than the riff-raff, truth is, your individual account is no different than the millions of other individual Sprint customers. I also have issues with my local Sprint corporate store service techs, but I have nothing but positives for the business customer care department.
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Well, I have some experience with Wisconsin's .. err wisconsinites?... wisconsonians?
Anyway, based on my experience you are making your point because I used the word 'argued'.
Arguing is not mutually exclusive of being a gentleman during the conflict.
I was very nice to the people, I just did not accept their answers. The first girl I talked to, although dim witted, told
me that she did her best and asked me if there was anything else I needed, I told her her answer was unacceptable
to me, and while although not her fault in any way, I would like to talk to the supervisor.
I am a mover, but my main advantage is I can easily relate to all sorts of people, I walk around smiling,
except when people break my stones. If you go out of your way to disrespect me I will shame you publicly.
I don't live in the midwest, but I grew up there. we probably share the same values / character traits.
Just realize that there are other cultures in different parts of the country, and S. Florida is a place where you
can pull over and help a lady change her tire (just because you're a good guy) and she will complain you are
taking to long to do it. (happened to a friend of mine). Down here its 'too good, too stupid". I'm not intimidated
by the Latin bravado, and have found most these boys down here don't know why its a bad Idea to try and
back a hockey player into a corner. The store manager talked trash about me in Spanish while I was standing right there
I knew what he was saying and was not wrong for reacting a certain way. I was definitely not the one being smug there.
Originally Posted by Quis89
You must be a Republican. You've got to be right? Sure that holds no relevance but your post screams Republican. Lol.
No offense but this post is drenched in the very condescending tone that I was under the impression you communicated in. All customers should be viewed as equal. It's unfair to believe otherwise. I understand you feel as though your needs and requests hold priority over that of the majority but policies are policies and they are in place for a reason. There is no excuse it took so long for your replacement device to arrive, but let's be honest. You did have a functional phone in the meantime, right? Sprint should have taken responsibility for their mistake though. I definitely empathize with you on that point.
I'm sorry, the entitlement argument always rubs me the wrong way.
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I'm oddly uncomfortable with discussing my political leanings here, but I will say I think for myself.
Anyway, there are many problems with your points-
I have been through this process with Sprint and exchanged one a few years back (a new Treo) the 'policies' were
much different then, and I expected the same pleasant results this time around. No Dice.
I was treated well when making a visit to buy a phone, and crapped on once the payment cleared.
Ill remind you that I called sprint within 10 days and they set my appointment up for me!
Nether the phone rep or the store told me there would be any problem until I showed up on day 14
and was forced to sit in the store for about 90 min. and not offered an inventory phone because of 'policy'.
I had the other line hooked up to my dying og evo, and its pretty bad. Ive been using my nexus 7 and
google voice to make calls, since no one could get my google number to ring through to the og.
The policies would have been fine if 3-4 people i met along the way hadn't dropped the ball.
reassuring me on the phone then not coming through after I drive to the store is unacceptable.
You use the word entitlement in a somewhat laughable way-
Why should customers all be treated equally, there are many that need way more than me; picture
my grandmother sitting there asking what an app is. Once a guy goes through the process like I did
There is no reason to consider my problems as the same priority as others. Facts and circumstances
should define policies, not bureaucratic nonsense that ignores the needs of one paying customer.
Sprint has lacked integrity in this respect because I paid fair and square and didn't get what others get. -That's my fault somehow?
That brings me to my second point about 'entitlement' ... I paid and got a bad device, my theory of
entitlement is based on the money I paid. When you pay for a movie ticket you are then entitled to
go in and watch that movie. I ran around for hours based on bad advice and policies. I never asked for
something other customers don't get. All I asked for is what the average customer gets: I pay money
and they give a working phone. If Sprint is going to operate on a buyer beware ethos, judge them
not me.
I understand my words read as condescending, but im not here to make myself sound pleasant.
I tried to lay out the relevant facts in a tone that reflects feelings after a month of not having my new toy, or a working line half that time.
Put yourself in my shoes, and tell yourself this because of bad karma or something.
I wrote all of this in hopes someone will find it personally helpful, I've lurked here for years and wanted to give something useful back to the community.
I was on this board for several hours trying to break my soft-brick and read at least three unanswered threads that were related to my problem.
I figured it was time to be a noob and give a few people a heads up. Im sure a few of you read all this and were surprised about something.
NaterTots said:
Yeah I called Sprint one morning because I had no data after updating PRL. Within 10 minutes they were ready to send me a new phone.
I was able to fix it by connecting to a WiFi connection to update and it was fine so I kept my phone. I thought they were more than helpful.
Naters
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I was in a similar situation years ago. They refused to send me a phone this time, I asked each person why I was treated differently last time and at lease one Sprint phone manager thinks its because "sprint stopped doing that after the Iphone [got ported over.]"
How long ago was your hassle free exchange, i think mine was 2004~ish.
I'm about send a six page letter to the Verizon VP of retail operations and customer service. I have never experienced more improper behavior by the hourly employees of any company. Before the V10 release I called to confirm that unlimited data customers could buy the phone on the device payment plan on Nov. 15th. I received numerous confirmations over the phone. When I entered the store they had no idea what I was talking about. Fine, put that on Verizon corporate for not properly informing all the stores of what was going on. After many calls a customer service supervisor indicated that I was correct but that Verizon had not updated its own software to make the change in time. I placed the order online that night as the stores had already closed. When I called the next day with another supervisor they again told me I was correct and would make arrangement to ensure that I was given the device payment plan without losing my unlimited data. I arranged to pick up the phone at an official Verizon store. The supervisor assured me that she would follow up after I picked up the phone to make sure everything was correct.
SHADY BEHAVIOR #1 - that same supervisor went into the notes after the call the next day and left an outright lie indicating that she informed the customer (me) that I would NOT be able to buy on the device payment plan until December. The order was canceled and NO ONE notified until AFTER I walked into the store to pick up the phone. My order was canceled without any notification via email or text, so I basically wasted my time going to the store and making all these calls with the supervisor.
SHADY BEHAVIOR #2 - When I called customer service from wihin the store, another supervisor, who said she knew the first supervisor personally, began telling me that I had no order. I emailed it to her and she began refuting the validity of it and when I asked her to give me the status of the order she admitted she had no way of knowing because she had no access to internet orders, which was not her department. Clearly she was just trying to cover for her supervisor friend. I immediately told her to stop wasting my time, now some 30 minutes after first calling, and connect me with a supervisor in the internet orders department ASAP, what she should have done from the beginning. Unbelievable... they see that you are clearly angered and yet they try to blame you the customer for their mistakes.
I returned the phone after I was told that device payment plan would start exactly one week later. On the day I was eligible for the DPP I purchased a new phone. After spending nearly 10 hours and speaking to over a dozen different Verizon employees I wasn't about to come away from the ordeal without the device payment play as I was assured I would.
SHADY BEHAVIOR #3 - In the store the new phone (#2) was handed to me without a screen protector and a receipt was not given to me.
SHADY BEHAVIOR #4 - when I went back into the store to ask for a receipt, and point out that the phone was not working, a employee passed himself off as being "THE" manager. I asked him if he was the store manager and he admitted he was not. He would not provide me with receipt because the store was now closed although many employees were still inside with some customers. He said my receipt information would be available online, which was false. Even the confirmation email sent did not make reference to the model of the phone that was purchased it only made reference to my old phone.
SHADY BEHAVIOR #5 - The next day I returned the phone and was finally given a receipt. This phone also stopped working properly after a few hours! I called a store near my work to confirm if they had a replacement phone in stock and they said they did. I walked over to the store and they said, after finding out it was for an exchange, that they did not have the phone in stock after all. Huh? I drove over to another Verizon store as no one was picking up the phone (??) and as soon as I walked in I asked if they had my phone in stock. They said sure we have it. I asked them to confirm but they would not tell me unless I gave them my phone number, presumably to see if I was there for an exchange or for a new line activation. I told the guy it was for an exchange and he went in the back stock room and, when he came out surprise, surprise they didn't have the phone in stock. I'm tenacious so I walked over to the third Verizon store of the night. On the way over I called and asked if they had the phone in stock, they confirmed that they did and that they had more than one in stock. When I walked in they tried to do the same thing, as soon as I asked if they had it in stock they wouldn't answer unless I gave them my phone number. But this time I had them on the hook because the guy told me over the phone that they the phone in stock and "PLENTY". The employee that took care of me tried to give me the run around too once they saw it was an exchange. She took my phone to the back room to show it to her manager and confirm the equipment problem. I asked her to tell him to come out as I did not want my phone leaving my sight for long. She said he could not come out..... shady. She comes out with a new phone and I ask her to turn it on before she switches over the service as I want to make sure the screen is 100% operational before I have to go through a third exchange. She says she can't take it out of the box without switching over the service. I asked her if they had more than one of the phone in stock in case there was a problem, and without making eye contact she responds with an incoherent "nu uhh" and head shake. I did not tell her that her own co-worker confirmed that they IN FACT did have more than one phone in stock nor did I ask why they were now singing a different tune. Seriously... this is how a publicly traded company runs its retail operations?
To summarize, I was LIED to repeatedly by Verizon employees. Supervisors lied in their notes to cover up their giving out incorrect information. Verizon retail stores make it deliberately hard for your to exchange a phone. I plan to send this letter to the consumer protection agency run by the federal government.
Somehow I find it hard to believe you where treated this badly by VZ. You had 3 brand new defective phones in a row??
I have dealt with 3 different VZ stores in my area & have had excellent/courteous service from all 3. Sure, we where all upset when VZ raised the price of the unlimited data service by $20 a month (I cancelled 3 lines because of that) but that was not their employees fault.
I owned a retail store for over 20 years & your whole attitude seems to me as being one of those customers that is never satisfied no matter how hard they try.
~John
^ Yes I can tell you were a retail owner. To make a blanket statement like "your whole attitude" is indicative of that.
You made not a single mention of the outright lies that were told by the Verizon employees but instead opted to put it on the customer or impugned the customer's integrity by voicing skepticism of faulty equipment without any solid basis for that skepticism. You don't know me, and you don't know the track record of an entirely new phone. Have you visited the LG forums to see those who have had to make multiple returns? Of course not. Yours is the typical management response of Fortune 500 companies that are loathed by the public.
Also, there were two returns for faulty equipment, each confirmed at the Verizon store before a new phone was given. The first return was simply my prerogative to take advantage of the device payment plan, as I was initially told by numerous Verizon employees prior to the initial sale. And secondly you fail to address the point that the stores apparently have unethical motivation to make an exchange of their inventory for another location's sale of hotly sought after phones deliberately more difficult.
And by the way, I worked for a five star hotel, deemed the best in the metropolitan area, all through college where we bent over backwards to ensure customer loyalty and to deliver value for premium services. I had to take written tests for AAA certification to verify that I knew all the latest information required of my job and had frequent training seminars to ensure that we were all worthy of the "best in class" title. Verizon like trumpet that they're the best, evidently they don't visit their own stores very often. You know how well your operation is doing when the customer has a problem, and not just for how well they handle mundane transactions. Can your staff rectify the problem as quickly as possible without further aggravation to customer? But ultimately we're not talking about just dropped balls and incompetence here, we're talking of employees repeatedly making deliberately false statements to customers. That's beyond acceptable.
Sucks to be PorscheOscar.
Is there any chance that the humanity of at least ONE employee would have come forth and done at least half-of-the-right-thing by you if you were presenting a good persona?
But I feel for you ... because of course ... ALL the employee's in the store wouldn't have the same negative attitude and manipulate a computer system because the person in front of them was completely rational, respectful and courteous. It has to be some corporate level decision that was sent through the regional representatives and programmed into the one store to single YOU out and destroy your integrity.
I've been disappointed by some of Verizon's products and also their staff before - but instead of finding a manager within the store that supported someone I couldn't get a positive interaction with, I just drove 5 to 10 miles in any direction and went to a different Verizon store.
Good luck trying to get good service from a Verizon Rep based on the computer notes now!
I've been with Verizon for 10+ years (also have unlimited data). I've been pretty happy with their service. I typically call 611 when I have issues rather than visiting a call. The stores #1 (and seemingly only) objective is to sell devices. They have no interest in handling returns/defects/etc. I've actually called 611 from within a store when a sales rep told me something wasn't covered.
The information they told you could have been true and false at the same time. Did they have several brand new V10's in inventory? Yes. Did they have refurbed V10's in inventory to issue as replacements? No. Most companies will not give you a brand new phone as a replacement. A manager can choose to give you one but that's few and far between. Though Verizon (in terms of the big 4 carriers) is your best bet at getting such replacement.
Next time try calling 611. They'll ship you a replacement and give you a return label for the defective one.
All in all, your experience is still better than you'd expect from AT&T. Wanna test that? Ask a Verizon rep to send you a text or e-mail (written confirmation) of something. They will. I've been fighting AT&T U-Verse since July for a bill that I don't owe. Every month they bill me, every month I call and explain, and every month some rep (or manager) has said not to worry and they've removed it from my account. EVERY SINGLE REP has told me they're not allowed to send any e-mails, texts, faxes, or mail...no written confirmation. I got my first collection letter last week. It's my word against theirs. Sorry POS company!
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I've been with Verizon for 10+ years (also have unlimited data). I've been pretty happy with their service. I typically call 611 when I have issues rather than visiting a call. The stores #1 (and seemingly only) objective is to sell devices. They have no interest in handling returns/defects/etc. I've actually called 611 from within a store when a sales rep told me something wasn't covered.
The information they told you could have been true and false at the same time. Did they have several brand new V10's in inventory? Yes. Did they have refurbed V10's in inventory to issue as replacements? No. Most companies will not give you a brand new phone as a replacement. A manager can choose to give you one but that's few and far between. Though Verizon (in terms of the big 4 carriers) is your best bet at getting such replacement.
Next time try calling 611. They'll ship you a replacement and give you a return label for the defective one.
All in all, your experience is still better than you'd expect from AT&T. Wanna test that? Ask a Verizon rep to send you a text or e-mail (written confirmation) of something. They will. I've been fighting AT&T U-Verse since July for a bill that I don't owe. Every month they bill me, every month I call and explain, and every month some rep (or manager) has said not to worry and they've removed it from my account. EVERY SINGLE REP has told me they're not allowed to send any e-mails, texts, faxes, or mail...no written confirmation. I got my first collection letter last week. It's my word against theirs. Sorry POS company!
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1. I'm glad you pointed out the issue about exchanges vs. Refunds. Note to all: if you are still in your two week return window and have an issue DO NOT EXCHANGE. RETURN FOR REDUND ONLY. They will not tell you if you are receiving a refurbished phone. Demand a new phone. I can't believe I made this mistake because I had exactly this same experience 6 years ago with Droid X. They kept giving me refurbished phones one after the other until I was in my 9th return. Verizon have very poor if nonexistent quality control testing of refurbished phones. I'm going to have to give hard thought to returning this phone if they confirm that it's a refurb, even if I have to eat the $35 restocking fee. Given how the manager of the store couldn't be bothered to leave the back room I have no issue with giving him a return.
2. Yes AT&T is bad, Sprint is Worse and Tmobil I once caught red handed doing something shady on international calls which I reported to the State Attorneys and FCC. But Verizon leads them all for expensive service. The expectation of competent and non-shady service goes up. This all unfortunate because I reward straight shooters with long term loyalty. I would expect this from a fly by night Cell phone company but not an established company with millions of shareholders.
Was the Droid X that long ago? I loved that phone.
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I've never had issues with Verizon by phone conversation. but going to a Verizon retail store is a different story. stay away
I called LG to verify I had a new phone and They said it was. Also, while I was in the phone with them I asked about an issue I was having with a set of refurbished LG 900 Infinium headphones purchased on Amazon. I was told that if you buy LG Bluetooth headphones and have an issue they will send you new unit not a refurbished even though they were refurbs to begin with.
I also called Verizon tech support and they claim that if you go in store for an exchange they can only give you new phones as they don't stock refurbs. If however you make a claim over the phone They will send you refurbished units. Avoid that at all costs if you are in your 14 day return window.
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Was the Droid X that long ago? I loved that phone.
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I keep every phone I ever had in my desk as a little museum. I still have my BlackBerry Pearl..the first must have phone all my friends ran out and switched too, the iphone wasn't the first. But the Droid X was the phone I got when I left T-Mobile just to secure unlimited data. When the iPhone 4 was announced still without 4G, I was Android do good.
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I keep every phone I ever had in my desk as a little museum. I still have my BlackBerry Pearl..the first must have phone all my friends ran out and switched too, the iphone wasn't the first. But the Droid X was the phone I got when I left T-Mobile just to secure unlimited data. When the iPhone 4 was announced still without 4G, I was Android do good.
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I sell mine as soon as a better phone is released. That's how I get to try every new phone that will work on Verizon.
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i'm not sure how you got so far as to preorder on the phone then schedule an in store pick up. I called about 3 times before actually going through with a purchase on my UDP line and making sure every questions was answered. I then proceeded to get the phone picked the phone and color then the person couldn't proceed. I was then transferred and they clearly explained to me the deal after again trying and not being able to proceed while keeping the UDP line. I then had to wait til my pay period ended. 3 days later I went to the store and did the actual DPP on my UDP line.
Sorry you had a bad experience. I usually avoid the stores at all costs.
I've had generally good experiences with Verizon stores, but tend to do my business online, simply because I don't have to worry about being pushed or "pitched" anything. Recently, my wife's LG G4 was caught in a bootloop (showed LG logo, then went black). After 3 store reps fiddled around with it trying to factory reset it (BTW, it said "Modified" on the menu, but none noticed that fact!) As one of them was processing the warranty replacement, another guy walked into the store with a G4 and it was doing the exact same thing! Anyway, I asked them if there was anything else I could do since my wife wanted to take photos for Christmas (this was on the 23rd) and the replacement was shipping 2-day. They did offer for me to buy a new phone, but her G4 is 6 months old. Anyway, they seemed very helpful to me and I've never experienced what the OP did--doesn't mean it can't happen, but I would say it's rare.
As a small side-note to my story, I happened to be shopping at BJ's Wholesale during the day on Christmas Eve. In the store, there's a Verizon Kiosk, which is actually run by Diamond Wireless. EVERY SINGLE TIME I've done anything through them, they've been amazing. I guess it actually helps to have some degrees of separation from VZW! I told the guy what happened to my wife's phone. I asked him if I could buy a phone, then return it within 14 days without being worse for the wear--which he confirmed. He then suggested I "buy" the V10 as it has a better camera, etc. Since VZW had already issued a warranty replacement G4, he said they couldn't cancel it, but he suggested that I do a "buddy upgrade" (I have 3 total lines eligible), which I did. Unfortunately, my employee discount doesn't allow payment plan, so I was out $300 temporarily. HOWEVER, LG is giving a $100 rebate (Visa Gift Card). Then on top of that, the replacement G4 that will arrive shortly will be all mine--I'm hoping to sell it for at least $200, so I will break even in the long run. The Diamond Wireless guy walked me through everything, answering all my pesky questions and ensuring everything was done properly. The best part is that my wife has an amazing new phone and took many great Christmas photos with it. I like the phone so much, I'm thinking of switching to a V10 myself... I may wait to see if/what HTC releases next (usually March) and if it doesn't suit my fancy, I'm a new LG V10 owner.
Hell yeah the VZW stores are shady! I had to call CS for 3 months to get a 50 dollar credit I was assured was coming to me. I've jumped from Verizon since then, same bull**** just different source at this point
My experiences have been just the opposite. The instore folks have been so helpful. The telehelp people were clueless about all the discounts on my account and completely jacked everything up. The store manager did some creative genius and my account got fixed. His creativity cost me $35 but it saved me over $1,000 in the end. Everytime I've been in to the store I've had great experiences. I've been in so much recently that I practically know all the employees by first name. (Lots of $300 trade-ins of $10 phones. Thank Vzw!)
I'm not trying to negate your negative experiences as I've seen upset people in the Vzw store every time I've gone in. I understand your frustration and writing the letter was probably very therapuetic. However, sending it probably won't make one bit of difference. The stores are meant for one purpose and only one purpose, sign up new accounts and do phone upgrades. They aren't there to do exchanges like Walmart. If they give you a new phone then that means there's one less new phone in the store to sell. Verizon is a business in business to make money. Exchanging a phone doesn't bring them any new money. Like it or not, that's the facts jack.
If you haven't sent the letter yet then don't bother. You'll probably get a nasty note added to your file.
Op.
You are whats wrong with america, everytime you think you have been wronged in the SLIGHTEST way, You go cry to the better business bureau or aaa or fbi cia dea, obama, whoever will listen to your little violin playing at your pity party.. ...big red is a big companh, they dont give 2 f's about you or your opinion, and neither does the government agency who has their contracted service through big red... Play the game, or get pegged as a pest...and then treated as such
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I'm about send a six page letter to the Verizon VP of retail operations and customer service.
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You can stop right there. Your post here is already tl;dr.
Time to do some serious editing. Ideally, you'll parse it down to a single page. Two pages is the max.
Beyond that, you're into serial killer manifesto territory. The only reason anybody will read beyond the second page is to see if you're just a kook, or if you're actually a threat and they need to report you to law enforcement.
Itt: people who don't know what a sales quota is,so they're surprised a corporate verizon rep is only concerned with a sale. Their quotas are so high their jobs are quite frequently on the chopping block if they take time to actually help customers with issues like this.
It sucks, but that's why I usually go to authorized retailers instead.
There's always two sides. Funny thing is 97% of the shadiness I've seen from T-Mobile AND Verizon was to benefit me. You probably come off as pretentious and entitled over the phone, same as in text.
Sorry you had to go through all that nonsense but its true if its a Corporate store they do not care about customer service I have experienced myself and have been lied to also , its much better to go thru a 3rd party where they will treat you better or customer service and since all the nonsense with corp stores I always avoid them would rather get the phone on ebay or amazon or even craigslist before I go to a corp store cuz all they are interested in is sales vs customer sevices and I have many friends and family memebers with Verizon that have had bad experiences so I beleive you sir and its a shame that it happens cuz they are a huge corp that should not be acting like that and should try to make the customer happy even though there are some customers out there that are worse than the employees cuz they expect to get their way cuz of that stupid saying "The Customer is always RIGHT" which is also aload of bs,Anyways it works both ways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!