Thought I'd give AT&T a call to complain about the battery issue since the firmware update. My thought being that if they don't get enough people complaining about it, they won't push any fixes from Samsung to the devices...
I ended up talking to someone at an obviously out-sourced call center. I told him that since the firmware update, I've had horrible battery life AND that I've had dropped calls more often than before...
After having me sing, dance, pray to the moon, and do strange (and almost sexual) things to my phone, he decided that I should get a replacement battery. (Nevermind that the issue started from a firmware update, that my battery is in PERFECT physical shape, etc) He also managed to insult me when he first asked about moisture exposure, and then had me check the moisture indicators (they were white.)
He then checked into the dropped calls, and tells me that I might be getting dropped calls because I'm not staying perfectly still when on the phone. (I guess tower hand-off is no longer supported with AT&T wireless.) He then claims that I, in the last 2 days, had two phone calls: one for 16 minutes and one for 137 minutes. That's obviously NOT calls I've made. I then read off my call log to him (including the dropped calls.) He, without any warning, then (I guess) puts me on hold. 44 minutes later (I was timing it), I hear a click and fast busy.
It's no wonder that AT&T was rated among the worst for customer service among wireless carriers.
Gary
I know exactly what you mean. I've had similar experiences dealing with their tech support. You get put on hold for huge amounts of time, then out of nowhere, they hang up. I remember one day, I was calling about a warranty replacement for one of my older phones, I was hung up on 4 times. It wasn't a dropped call, each person I asked said the call wasn't dropped but was hanged up, (plus I have never had a dropped call). They really need to step their game up.
If only there were some way to get those damn Wireshark caps of BT-AMP going nuts to someone with a clue...
I've given up hope.
LOL! I think that's how they trained their reps. Either said that "We have no problem with ###." Or hang up if the rep cannot find the answer in the scripts on CD. LOL!
Yeah I jist got off phone with att warranty replacement. I don't know if I'm happy yet.the good news is they are sending me a replacement. Bad new is its refurbished. I told them that I didn't pay $98 for a used phone. Argument didn't get me too far so we shall see what happens. She called it a rare condition Phone. My problem was the defective screen.with black splotches
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LOL! I think that's how they trained their reps. Either said that "We have no problem with ###." Or hang up if the rep cannot find the answer in the scripts on CD. LOL!
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Lol! I worked for an AT&T call center a while back. You just gave me a flashback lol.
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Lol! I worked for an AT&T call center a while back. You just gave me a flashback lol.
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U r welcome. It must be true then. ROFLOL.
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Simba501 said:
I worked for an AT&T call center a while back.
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Oh. I'm so very sorry. Did it hurt? I'm glad to see you recovered from what must have been a low point in your life. You know, we all hit rock bottom at times, but as long as we get up, wipe off the dirt, and push on - everything will work out.
Gary
I used to work at an AT&T call center and can recommend the following when dealing with them...always call back if you don't get what you want (within reason), never wait on hold for more than 10 min at a time (it's against co. policy to not check in every 5 min), be as courteous as possible given your circumstances. As a personal choice, I never speak to guys because they never help me--I always hang up and call back. If you get someone on the line that's difficult to understand, you can always "request an American agent." The outsourced agents have to try to help you, but if you insist, they have to transfer you. I hope this was at least mildly useful to someone reading this...
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ONE of the reasons I'm moving to Verizon in a few months. Piss poor customer service. Thanks for sharing Gary!
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The outsourced agents have to try to help you, but if you insist, they have to transfer you. I hope this was at least mildly useful to someone reading this...
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Really? That IS good to know. I have a conductive hearing loss, and its VERY VERY difficult for me to understand heavy or fast accents. Especially male accents (my loss is at the lower frequencies.)
Then again, half the outsourced agents insist they are in the US (but for some reason, only the ones actually in the US will tell me what state they are in.)
Very good information! Thank you!
Oh, and I'm glad to see that you survived your experience at AT&T. I hear employees at that company are starting to learn from Foxconn employees on how to leave a job. (jump off the roof of the building.)
ATT CS can be quite helpful. You just have to know how to talk and not waste time on an unhelpful agent.
Premier CS has always been American, helpful and always got me what I want/needed.
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Premier CS has always been American, helpful and always got me what I want/needed.
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What's premier CS? Extra customer service that you have to pay for?
If so that's kinda silly. Everyone gets CS, BUT if you want good CS, you need to pay extra ..LOL
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No. I have a Premier account (tied in with my company corporate account) so when I call and the system runs my number, it sees that and automatically transfers me to Premier customer support... which has always been American, helpful and knowledgeable. I pay nothing extra.
Hmm good to know. (I've got a corporate FAN applied, so have a Premier account.)
That said, when I have an issue, I just go into a corporate store. My experience is that corporate-owned stores have superior technical support.
I'm wondering if there's a way I can bring the evidence against UCKK6 I've collected into a store and actually have it get somewhere useful...
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No. I have a Premier account (tied in with my company corporate account) so when I call and the system runs my number, it sees that and automatically transfers me to Premier customer support... which has always been American, helpful and knowledgeable. I pay nothing extra.
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ah .. I don't have a premier account which explains the sh*tty customer service.
Well I'm a COR rep at an AT&T store, and I can tell you from experience that AT&T is a horrible company is so many ways.
I won't go into how bad they are to work for, and how horrible they treat their employees. They worry about the dumbrst stuff with their reps instead of worrying about what really counts in this company.
That aside. It's bad enough they treat us bad, but what's worse is they treat the customers bad.
Calling into Warranty is a nightmare, and I always suggest just driving to a Warranty center, which will be muich easier to get your phone replaced with minimal trouble.
Our deposit requirements are higher than any other Cell company. Yes we do have stricter credit requirements than Verizon. I've had customer who've had a few lines for years and never had an original deposit or late on their bills. You go to add a line and it hit's their credit and BOOM, it wants a deposit.
I could go on for an hour about all the crap, but I don't to depress anyone. LOL
The only reason I still work for AT&T is because I have been there so long that I'd hate to start out at the bottom with another company. But there are days I get close to putting in my resume at Verizon, which I think it is much better company in many ways.
On the phone with them now...
me: "My phone is less than 2 months old! I don't want it replaced with a refurbished phone. I want a new replacement."
them: "Sir, it won't be refurbished. it will be reconditioned."
me: "Please explain to me the difference."
them: "Sir, your phone is days more than 30 old, so it has to be reconditioned".
me: "Please explain to me the difference between refurbished and reconditioned. As far as I'm aware, they are the same."
them: "I told you that you have to have reconditioned replacement."
me: "I'd like to speak with an American Agent."
them: "I have no way to transfer you."
me: "I happen to know you can. Please transfer me to an american agent"
them: "there is nothing I can do transfer you."
me: "I'd like to speak with your supervisor"
them: "will you hold for 3-4 minutes while I get supervisor?"
me: "yes"
(5 minutes later)
them: "all supervisors are busy engaging in another calls. will you want to hold 3 4 more minutes?"
me: "yes"
...
(I hung up.)
Rather than mobility, I worked for AT&T/ Bell South's DSL division. It was rough at times, but all customer service is rough. You can't pick your customers (especially not the technologically illiterate) and when handling service-related calls, you often have to clean up after sales agents who lied to customers just to make their quota. It wouldn't be so bad, but corporate was complicit in encouraging that kind of behavior and the people that suffer are the customers and the tech & service suppport agents that they get irate with. I worked the system to keep my metrics in spec because corporate was more interested in how long I spent on a call than whether or not I actually fixed their problem. My opinion was that my primary goals were customer retention and connecting people with things they can actually use instead of worthless upgrades that they couldn't. Needless to say, I was the tier 2 agent you wanted to get bc I treated rules & processes like they were written in sand instead of stone:-D
My manager didn't like it, but his boss's boss liked my effectiveness so it was all good. As far as the job goes, it paid well, the benefits were good, and with such high turnover I got seniority for schedules in <6 months
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To start, I am a prepaid customer using a vibrant bought at a off contract price. Ok, so my phone starts having numerous problems (very low volume earpiece, poor reception in a good area, etc.) and I get a replacement order. Catch is, I have to send the phone in first. Great, I send it in and they tell me to wait 10 business days. Tomorrow is the 10th day, and guess what, no status on the replacement shipment. I know tmobile has received my phone as by the UPS tracking site, yet no shipment info. I have filed a Handset Research Form already and the reps know nothing about whether or not the vibrant is on backorder. What should I do, call and complain to customer loyalty?
(I have talked to customer loyalty and they transfered me back to the prepaid reps, for something completely unrelated to accounts and refills. )
Call them, and explain your situation, and if some rep starts saying "we can't know for sure" or something, bring your game on, be angry.
Tmobile loves angry costumers.
I once asked for a replacement nicely, then they told me some bullcrap, so i got pissed, and told them i want my replacement NOW and if i don't get it, i'm going to come over to a tmobile store, steal one off their show-case and put the broken one on there and leave. She told me "sir your crazy" so i kept getting pissed, eventually after 20 minutes i got a replacement order done
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Call them, and explain your situation, and if some rep starts saying "we can't know for sure" or something, bring your game on, be angry.
Tmobile loves angry costumers.
I once asked for a replacement nicely, then they told me some bullcrap, so i got pissed, and told them i want my replacement NOW and if i don't get it, i'm going to come over to a tmobile store, steal one off their show-case and put the broken one on there and leave. She told me "sir your crazy" so i kept getting pissed, eventually after 20 minutes i got a replacement order done
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hahaha sir you are harrilious
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Oh, believe me, I have had plenty of occasions where the F word or s- word came up in both live chat and telephone call.
Live chat: "Sir, please restrain from using profane language in live chat."
Telephone service: Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
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Oh, believe me, I have had plenty of occasions where the F word or s- word came up in both live chat and telephone call.
Live chat: "Sir, please restrain from using profane language in live chat."
Telephone service: Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
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Hahahaha...... cancelling ur line with them always get u some discounts.
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Its a rule of thumb In retail the nice customer doesnt get jack crap. The loud mouth ahole gets all kinds of discounts and his butt kissed for a few reasons.
1 The person you are talking to doesnt really wanna hear your mouth.
2 Its bad press for them. Everyone always remembers the bad services.
3 If you ***** enough corporate will hear it and make you do it anyway because they do not want to deal with. Then you look like the total ass for not doing it in the first place.
These are all reasons why people in my store get free ****. ( no you cant come yell at me because I dont work for t-mobile)
If you don't get any info soon, try emailing [email protected] Explain what is going on in the email and a number they can reach you at. They respond pretty quick. I had a call back within 4 hours on a sunday. They work for the office of the president of tmoble and have the power to get things taken care of.
They are actually the ones that got me hooked on Android. Had issues with the BB that the wife and I had and I esculated the promblem to them. Ended up getting two Cliqs delived the day they were released and 2 months free on the bill.
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Its a rule of thumb In retail the nice customer doesnt get jack crap. The loud mouth ahole gets all kinds of discounts and his butt kissed for a few reasons.
1 The person you are talking to doesnt really wanna hear your mouth.
2 Its bad press for them. Everyone always remembers the bad services.
3 If you ***** enough corporate will hear it and make you do it anyway because they do not want to deal with. Then you look like the total ass for not doing it in the first place.
These are all reasons why people in my store get free ****. ( no you cant come yell at me because I dont work for t-mobile)
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Exactly.
Being nice doesnt work. Get tough. Btw my story was real. U need to call them out and curse em too maybe not too much but just the right amount
Start slow and be nice at first. be prepared to make multiple calls(thats if you have another phone handy) In the span of an hour.
Dont disrespect the person themselves! They will not help you if you do.
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Start slow and be nice at first. be prepared to make multiple calls(thats if you have another phone handy) In the span of an hour.
Dont disrespect the person themselves! They will not help you if you do.
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+1 Before I switched to Walmarts Family Mobile (uses TMobiles towers) I always gave TMobile 5 chances on the phone to get what ever problem I had fixed. Never got rude or anything. If by then the problem wasn't resoved, I would email the ExecutiveResponse team and it was handled almost always in the first call that they made to me.
Thanks guys, emailed executive response. Waiting for a response.
Any word back from them yet?
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Any word back from them yet?
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Nope, still waiting. I expect a delay of a day or two.
Who here thinks I can get through a request for a vibrant and free hd2 along with it to reimburse for my inconveniences?
LOL I don't think that will happen but you may get a new Vibrant out of it. Just remember when they call to be nice and calm.
Any response yet?
They never called me but I got an email for ME to call them. Wish me luck today!
Good luck bro, Hope to hear some good news soon.
just tweet them @TMOBILE
you'll have a response the same day.
also, just go into the chat, warranty/replacement, when it asks if you are flex, just hit no. Tell them you had a replacemnt order, and have not received it yet and are wondering the status.
They were able to look up my Wifes order, and tell me the tracking number, that it was delivered to the office the day after I placed the order...(They must know me) lol
The day I contacted them was the 6th day after I placed the order, (great front office huh?)
So yeah, just be nice. If anything, they will overnight you one.
Trust me, they arent on backorder.
Agree that they are not on back order. Two guys I work with just had thier MyTough Fenders bricked by the ota they just released for it and TMobile is relpacing with Virbrants.
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Just got told pretty much that my free & clear 3000 should go **** itself. Of course not in that mean of words but yeah....
I asked the women ("account manager") about upgrading to an evo 3d for my free and clear 3000 and switching my verizon line to them to get another evo 3d. She was like oh you have to have premium data. So of course I replied with check my account it has premium data...then she made some more excuses, which i told her I had heard before. then finally she stated "I (yes as if she owned sprint) will not give you that upgrade because sprint employee's don't get it." I was like oh really? I would like to speak to someone above you.... she then stated that she was the highest. I told her to put a note on my account and I would be cancelling, I would rather pay some other company that has decent customer service for a phone. She was like "ok I will write that on your account. goodbye". I've been with them since like '07 or '08. Think twice before you get something with sprint.... Even ATT let iphone customers keep unlimited data because they had it before they changed it. Anyone else have ****ty customer service when it comes to sprint?
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Just got told pretty much that my free & clear 3000 should go **** itself. Of course not in that mean of words but yeah....
I asked the women ("account manager") about upgrading to an evo 3d for my free and clear 3000 and switching my verizon line to them to get another evo 3d. She was like oh you have to have premium data. So of course I replied with check my account it has premium data...then she made some more excuses, which i told her I had heard before. then finally she stated "I (yes as if she owned sprint) will not give you that upgrade because sprint employee's don't get it." I was like oh really? I would like to speak to someone above you.... she then stated that she was the highest. I told her to put a note on my account and I would be cancelling, I would rather pay some other company that has decent customer service for a phone. She was like "ok I will write that on your account. goodbye". I've been with them since like '07 or '08. Think twice before you get something with sprint.... Even ATT let iphone customers keep unlimited data because they had it before they changed it. Anyone else have ****ty customer service when it comes to sprint?
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just get the sero premium. sprint usually has some of the best service. you can't keep that old plan forever mate
lol OWNED by sprint customer service..
Anytime I come across someone like that (at Sprint or anywhere) I'll hang up and call again to speak to someone else. I would try that before jumping ship over one dumb ass.
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Anytime I come across someone like that (at Sprint or anywhere) I'll hang up and call again to speak to someone else. I would try that before jumping ship over one dumb ass.
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Agree, op is overreacting to some representative in a few bad mood
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This
...and the grass isn't greener anywhere else, where ya going to run too? the more exspensive att? verizon? or tmobile soon to be att?
some representatives suck for any company, call and try again, and again until someone is cool and works out a deal, i 've been told to screw off by tmobile, only to get sent to a loyalty group a phone call later and ending up with a sweet deal
a csr getting paid 11 bucks an hour was getting over it...hang up...say what an asshole put a smile back on and call again and get it done.
Yeah Verizon, ATT and T-Mobile customer service is the worst. Sprint has been rated #1 for the past 2 years. And I'll let you on a litle secret those surveys can mean the difference between a job and being fired. So the representatives try to do as much as they can to make sure you are "very satisfied." Sometimes the supervisors will call bluffs though. Sprint can't be a push over for everyone
Also OP you are way in the wrong though. That Free and Clear 3000 was made specifically for the purposes of not having eligibility. That part of the compromise. $20 a month, but no eligibility. You are at fault there.
So I'm just gonna throw this out there... Hey OP, have you ever had a bad day? Maybe overreacted to someone elses comments or mood? I sure have, and it sounds like that "mean lady" did too. FWIW, I almost never call sprint anymore, the online chat is quicker, more effective, and you can save the transcripts
sounds like a rep with bad mood, just call again. I had the best experience with sprint the last time I called.
You'll never get an Android or any new smart phone on a free and clear plan unless they do like they did with sero (doubtful since they did that was done so long ago with no news of other legacy plans being 'premium'). You'll be stuck with touch pro 2 era phones unless you change plans.
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Yeah Verizon, ATT and T-Mobile customer service is the worst. Sprint has been rated #1 for the past 2 years. And I'll let you on a litle secret those surveys can mean the difference between a job and being fired. So the representatives try to do as much as they can to make sure you are "very satisfied." Sometimes the supervisors will call bluffs though. Sprint can't be a push over for everyone
Also OP you are way in the wrong though. That Free and Clear 3000 was made specifically for the purposes of not having eligibility. That part of the compromise. $20 a month, but no eligibility. You are at fault there.
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http://articles.moneycentral.msn.co...l-of-shame-companies-2010.aspx?slide-number=7
They were #1 here. I also here recently had to deal with the BS of having to jump through hoops and talk to multiple people before you guys would do what you said you would. Your customer service may be getting better but it's still nothing to brag about...
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Yeah Verizon, ATT and T-Mobile customer service is the worst..
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I must say 90% of my dealings with T-Mobile for the past 6 or so years has been amazing.
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Just got told pretty much that my free & clear 3000 should go **** itself. Of course not in that mean of words but yeah....
I asked the women ("account manager") about upgrading to an evo 3d for my free and clear 3000 and switching my verizon line to them to get another evo 3d. She was like oh you have to have premium data. So of course I replied with check my account it has premium data...then she made some more excuses, which i told her I had heard before. then finally she stated "I (yes as if she owned sprint) will not give you that upgrade because sprint employee's don't get it." I was like oh really? I would like to speak to someone above you.... she then stated that she was the highest. I told her to put a note on my account and I would be cancelling, I would rather pay some other company that has decent customer service for a phone. She was like "ok I will write that on your account. goodbye". I've been with them since like '07 or '08. Think twice before you get something with sprint.... Even ATT let iphone customers keep unlimited data because they had it before they changed it. Anyone else have ****ty customer service when it comes to sprint?
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Doubt anyone can make that happen for you.
Have you tried converting your plan to SERO-PREMIUM?
Hello,
I have been with Sprint for just over 12 Years. During which time I must say they have actually helped out a great deal on the whole. Indeed, if you are getting nowhere with a particular CSR, hangup and try again.
Due to being with them for so long and because I have always had the flagship Sprint Phone (for many years that was an oxymoron) and Data Plan, I get same price as New Customer Discounts every year. However, I only added the EVO in September going from a Palm Pre.
With the EVO 3D about to be released, I decided I wanted to try and get the Promotional Price now so that I did not have to wait until September for the 3D. The first person I spoke to in Retention was On Hold trying to get approval only for the call to be disconnected. I called right back and was flat out denied and told September 1st would be the earliest. I immediately called back and got the right person and lo and behold I will now be able to get a 3D at Launch Day at the $199 price.
Now that Sprint is no longer doing the Mail in Rebate (oh hells yeah) as of 2 Months ago and the fact that they offer 150 Dollars Trade In for the 4G that the 3D is only going to cost 50 Dollars plus Tax.
It definitely helps to have a good Payment History and to have been there a long time, but I really do think Sprint's Customer Service has been greatly improved over the past few years.
Cheers,
JJ
Whosdaman said:
Yeah Verizon, ATT and T-Mobile customer service is the worst. Sprint has been rated #1 for the past 2 years. And I'll let you on a litle secret those surveys can mean the difference between a job and being fired. So the representatives try to do as much as they can to make sure you are "very satisfied." Sometimes the supervisors will call bluffs though. Sprint can't be a push over for everyone
Also OP you are way in the wrong though. That Free and Clear 3000 was made specifically for the purposes of not having eligibility. That part of the compromise. $20 a month, but no eligibility. You are at fault there.
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There is more to it than "Rob, you have missed 19 surveys this quarter, get your things together and exit the building immediately."
While we strive at Sprint to provide the best customer service possible, we have to keep in mind that sometimes what the customer is requesting is just impossible to comply with (like using a plan that is not compatible with certain devices, ect).
Sometimes no matter what you do, a customer is not happy, or like displayed on this forum, they assume the survey you receive is critical to your employment and give you a 1 out of spite. These things can be researched to see if the best possible customer service has been provided which is what Sprint is in the business of doing, backed by the most recent customer service awards.
So how do i go about switching to sero premium?
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There is more to it than "Rob, you have missed 19 surveys this quarter, get your things together and exit the building immediately."
While we strive at Sprint to provide the best customer service possible, we have to keep in mind that sometimes what the customer is requesting is just impossible to comply with (like using a plan that is not compatible with certain devices, ect).
Sometimes no matter what you do, a customer is not happy, or like displayed on this forum, they assume the survey you receive is critical to your employment and give you a 1 out of spite. These things can be researched to see if the best possible customer service has been provided which is what Sprint is in the business of doing, backed by the most recent customer service awards.
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You see, thats where your wrong on this one. I called to ask about an upgrade and switch a line from verizon to sprint. I never once had an attitude or anything. I'm in the military, I was taught to treat everyone with respect. The person I talked to was flat out rude. She didn't offer me a sero plan or anything. She just told me that I have to switch to a full price plan, which no matter what anyone says I find completely bull****. I have referred numerous people to sprint, and have a up to date account with them. I had gone on the support chat before I called and the guy that was chatting with me gave me the number and told me to ask, his exact words were
"06/14/2011 05:14:16PM Agent (Billy A.): "You can do that, I have seen your account history and it is approved for the new line."
So that is what gets to me, one person willing to help and another person being a complete ass. Like I said I have been with sprint for YEARS, the least they could have done was been nice and not have an attitude. Now, blame it on the women or not; she is Sprint's employee and represents their company she should know how to treat people with respect.
EDIT: also before having an HTC hero on the plan they told me it was impossible to put that on my plan, because it needed premium data. I called and talked to some people and on my account it says "Premium Data $0 add-on charge $0.00" so i know that it is possible to help a customer out...
I don't think you will get it changed to sero-p.
From what I have read you should try and get it changed to the F&C3000 indirect employee plan.
I don't know anything about the plans but this is from a brief search. Also you need to keep trying until you find a rep that is familiar with the plan.
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=207732&page=14
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You see, thats where your wrong on this one. I called to ask about an upgrade and switch a line from verizon to sprint. I never once had an attitude or anything. I'm in the military, I was taught to treat everyone with respect. The person I talked to was flat out rude. She didn't offer me a sero plan or anything. She just told me that I have to switch to a full price plan, which no matter what anyone says I find completely bull****. I have referred numerous people to sprint, and have a up to date account with them. I had gone on the support chat before I called and the guy that was chatting with me gave me the number and told me to ask, his exact words were
"06/14/2011 05:14:16PM Agent (Billy A.): "You can do that, I have seen your account history and it is approved for the new line."
So that is what gets to me, one person willing to help and another person being a complete ass. Like I said I have been with sprint for YEARS, the least they could have done was been nice and not have an attitude. Now, blame it on the women or not; she is Sprint's employee and represents their company she should know how to treat people with respect.
EDIT: also before having an HTC hero on the plan they told me it was impossible to put that on my plan, because it needed premium data. I called and talked to some people and on my account it says "Premium Data $0 add-on charge $0.00" so i know that it is possible to help a customer out...
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you aren't going to get them to give you the premium 4g data charge for free. Best you can do is get a sero premium plan
edit: email them here and ask:
[email protected]
I don't know who/what/when/where or how, the power button on Photon is missing? I have never dropped my device, I don't even toss it onto bed!!! I hope I dont get a new phone because it took me over a WEEK, 10 - 14 hours a day to get it like I wanted it!!!
..... cool dude
That sucks bro. Happened to mine too. It's just held on by adhesive tape.
How is this under accessories? How is it under anything really...
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That sucks bro. Happened to mine too. It's just held on by adhesive tape.
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OK, it appears its held on by some glue as I can see the white on the button on the bottom.
@Codee, I put it here becuase if I could (and I cant) find another button, I'd buy it and put it on myself.
Now: I'm a pretty easy going person, i rarely get upset at anything, life is too short. I go to Garden State Plaza to Sprint store to speak to one of the Brightest Minds in America. Her nametag says "Manager" so I know I have the correct person and I'm going to get top notch service!!! I tell her its broken, the power button fell off! The first thing out of her mouth was "Have you had the phone for 30 days or less?" (I will not insult you guys, phone came out August 1st, therefore, this chick cannot count!) After this hiccup, she ask where I got it? (Again, I will not insult you. I treat my toys well and I have insurance, I dont care if I got it in Mississippi, it says "Sprint" on it, you see my insurance on my account, give me a working phone!!!!) After 10 minutes on the phone with "whoever", she tells me I need the box because they need the IMEI #. ITS A BOX, I DONT GIVE A RATS...............I'm going back with box and phone at lunch.
Imei is under the battery too isn't it?
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I will make this short and sweet, I got a new Photon. I'm pissed at the way I got it, but I got it. I could not figure out how to restore from my backup, so I started the pain staking task of putting it back like it was.
Now, I will bring some comedy to this thread!!
If you go to the Evo forum, the Fuze Forum.......any of them. Everyone can tell you I'm anal about my toys. If your here, you likely are too! My phone has special mouse pad to sit on everywhere.
I return to the same store with a guy I work with that used to do mobile support for our company. I talk to the same manager, she asked me the same 30-day question. I just turned around and looked at Will and srugged my shoulders. She then asked me to taked it to the technicians and signin. These 2 clowns come out and look at the phone, then then again ask me the 30-day question! The Photon is your flagship phone, its IMPOSSIBLE for me to have had it longer than 23 days!!! OK, we will replace it!
After 45 minutes, I get the same manager back. She tells me she needs to turn it on to make sure I did not root it. I have rooted/flashed likely 200+ times. Each one I'v done contain 4 things. Disclaimer that it will void your warranty, Instructions on how to Root/Flash, another Disclaimer that BEFORE you return to your carrier, and Instructions on how to un-root/Un-flash? One would think if I'm smart enough to root/flash, I would be smart enough to un-do it? Personally, I dont think she would know if i did or did not (Unless she noticed something like 'Sprint NASCAR" was missing?)
She then preceeds to tell me "This is clearly physical damage?" Again, I just turned and looked at co-worker. I asked her and the technican to find one single nick on that Photon! They tell me they cannot, but it was likely dropped. I say BS, show me.
I got tired of playing and had to get back from lunch. It dont matter, I have TEP and repair, you can't repair it, give me another one or similar phone per this $8.00 monthly TEP. She tells me physical damage is not covered. I say show me? After playing on her computer for 15 minutes, then a phone call, she gave me a new Photon.
Only at Sprint!!! Sad thing is, next year she will likely get promoted to CEO!!!!
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I will make this short and sweet, I got a new Photon. I'm pissed at the way I got it, but I got it. I could not figure out how to restore from my backup, so I started the pain staking task of putting it back like it was.
Now, I will bring some comedy to this thread!!
If you go to the Evo forum, the Fuze Forum.......any of them. Everyone can tell you I'm anal about my toys. If your here, you likely are too! My phone has special mouse pad to sit on everywhere.
I return to the same store with a guy I work with that used to do mobile support for our company. I talk to the same manager, she asked me the same 30-day question. I just turned around and looked at Will and srugged my shoulders. She then asked me to taked it to the technicians and signin. These 2 clowns come out and look at the phone, then then again ask me the 30-day question! The Photon is your flagship phone, its IMPOSSIBLE for me to have had it longer than 23 days!!! OK, we will replace it!
After 45 minutes, I get the same manager back. She tells me she needs to turn it on to make sure I did not root it. I have rooted/flashed likely 200+ times. Each one I'v done contain 4 things. Disclaimer that it will void your warranty, Instructions on how to Root/Flash, another Disclaimer that BEFORE you return to your carrier, and Instructions on how to un-root/Un-flash? One would think if I'm smart enough to root/flash, I would be smart enough to un-do it? Personally, I dont think she would know if i did or did not (Unless she noticed something like 'Sprint NASCAR" was missing?)
She then preceeds to tell me "This is clearly physical damage?" Again, I just turned and looked at co-worker. I asked her and the technican to find one single nick on that Photon! They tell me they cannot, but it was likely dropped. I say BS, show me.
I got tired of playing and had to get back from lunch. It dont matter, I have TEP and repair, you can't repair it, give me another one or similar phone per this $8.00 monthly TEP. She tells me physical damage is not covered. I say show me? After playing on her computer for 15 minutes, then a phone call, she gave me a new Photon.
Only at Sprint!!! Sad thing is, next year she will likely get promoted to CEO!!!!
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What was the address of the store? Did you get any part of her name at all?
EDIT: Got it, Garden State Plaza store. I'm going to escalate your experience to help improve future customer interactions. I'm not sure if this is a Sprint owned store or a 3rd party, but it shouldn't matter. You should be treated better than that.
Garden State Plaza
Merchant ID: 8015689253
Jessica Mendez
It's the one above the food court (there are 4 Sprint Stores in this Mall. They have the one I mention on Second floor above food court. In the food court they have a 3D/Photon Setup. They have a kiosh outside JC Penny's. And they have a store on the other side of Macy's!)
What I think is, Honestly, each of these stores are owned by different individuals. Each store likely get's a quoto # of Photon's to sell. The Store by Macy's told me I had to take it back where I got it, likely because it would cut into the number of phones THEY had to sell. Where I got it, more or less, just gave away $600.00!!! Just my opinion!
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What I think is, Honestly, each of these stores are owned by different individuals. Each store likely get's a quoto # of Photon's to sell. The Store by Macy's told me I had to take it back where I got it, likely because it would cut into the number of phones THEY had to sell. Where I got it, more or less, just gave away $600.00!!! Just my opinion!
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You're right. I'm pretty sure that's a 3rd party store, but they should still be more helpful and sound less clueless. Sprint is working hard to overcome a bad reputation for customer service and things like this don't help.
I'm glad you finally got resolution, but it should have been handled in one trip. The whole thing about the box was a joke. I'm betting she was hoping you would hit a different store when you came back
Online is not much better. Before reading, go to the middle of this and read my original complaint, then come back here and read Sprint's reply, then go to bottom and read my response!
Dear David Sims,
Thank you for contacting Sprint. I apologize for the inconvenience that
you have experienced.
As per your account, I can see that your phone is under 30 days return
policy. The Sprint 30-Day Risk-Free Guarantee allows you to return a
like-new phone to the point of purchase.
If you will opt for the different phone, your account will be charged
for the $35.00 for restocking fee.
Also, I can understand that your account is charged for the
International long distance calling. Let me explain that what is the
difference between International long distance and the International
roaming.
1- International long distance (ILD) is defined as making a call from
the United States to other countries in the world.
2- International roaming (IR) is defined as traveling to countries
outside of the United States, U.S. Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico.
So, these charges are valid on your account. So, due to system
restriction, we are unable to apply the credit on your account.
We value your business and appreciate the opportunity to answer your
questions.
Sincerely,
Cheryl B.
Sprint
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Name: David Sims
Form: Ask A Question Learn OR Feedback and Suggestions - Learn
Topic: Equipment
Contact Number: 201-681-5429
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Original Question:
Question: I have Motorola Photon 4G, somehow, the power on/off button
fell out. I took the phone to Garden State Plaza in New Jersey. At
first, she asked if I had the phone for 30 days or longer. As a manager,
I felt she should have known this as Sprint did not release the phone
until August 1st. She then asked where I got it, I told her that and she
told me I had to take it back there. 1. As the phone is almost new I
should be able to replace it at ANY Sprint store I choose. 2. I go back
to where I got it (Same Mall, different store), Im told I cannot replace
it without the box? 3. I have insurancce on the phone? I'm getting mixed
answers everyone. I spent $500+ 2 weeks ago, I would like a WORKING
phone!
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SUB Topic : Insurance
Current Customer ?: Yes
Email Address: [email protected]
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State: PA
Zip: show details 4:30 PM (21 hours ago)
OK, I will attempt this ONE more time!! I was NOT returning the phone, I just wanted a WORKING phone. That's all I wanted. It was clear to the 2 technicans that looked at it, and it was clear manager the phone was missing this button. Additionally, this is SUPPOSED to be "Sprint's Flagship" phone. It was released August 1, 2011. The 30-day Risk-Free Guarantee should have never been a question as it's impossible for me to have owned this phone for more than 23 days. Next on this, I pay for insurance & equiptment repair to cover this, so it should not matter if I owned the device 2 days or 50 years. I was told by the Manager it was clearly physical damage. I asked her and her 2 technicans to show me ONE mark on that phone? After an hour, the phone was replaced.
Next, lets go back to my bill. CDMA Phones (Sprint and Verzion) do NOT work in Europe (well until this phone. All AT&T and T-Mobile work globally as they are GSM), If you looked at my account as you stated, you can see that 1. I do not have International dialing on my account nor did I enable it. Therefore it is impossible for me to make a International call. Secondly, in order for me to use THIS phone outside the US, I have to call Sprint to enable me in whatever country I am traveling to, therefore I could not have made those +44 (which is the UK by the way!) calls. I think we can both agree this HAD to be an incoming call (like all the rest of them!) In the last year this has not been on my bill!
Lastly, since I'm here, If you look at the attached invoice, my upgrade is $0.00. If I look at my current bill, it $19.08!!! Therefore, that charge should be removed from my bill!
Thank You for your understand.
Honestly that exchange is a little hard to follow. Did you mention the billing problem to the rep in the original submission?
I think that maybe she was trying to solve a problem when what she should have done was escalate the issue to an area manager. Did you get the billing issue fixed?
I actually noticed a Photon at the store with the power button not attached. Believe me, I will return mine in the event that falls off.
Thats like receiving a phone with a glued on screen and being help accountable if that glue wheres off and my screen is no longer attached.
To me it sounds like alot of people talking about policies and processes that they have NO OBVIOUS idea how they work.
Lets start:
First...the Evo 3D is Sprints "flagship" phone. Look up the definition if you need further assistance.
Second...ALL returns, regardless of 3rd party or Company owned require the original box when returned or a fee will be accessed. Its in your contract you sign. Try for starters to read it thoroughly before yelling and screaming at the ones of us that work for Sprint and can help you if you help yourself!
Can this be overridden? OF COURSE...but if your attitude sucks, chances are youre not going to get the "customer service" you think you are deserved.
Third...as for TEP, its Total Equipment Protection, not Insurance! BIG DIFFERENCE! This is to assist you in the cost reduction of a new device if something happens to yours. Again, reading the TEP agreement, physical damage is noted as obvious damage or missing components. YES I know, its a flaw in the design, BUT UNTIL Motorola releases a statement to Sprint verifing that this is a "known issue" with this device it will be looked at as physical damage! (Return a car to a dealer after 2 weeks with a missing door handle and see what happens...just sayin)
Fourth...its not as easy as walking in and saying "I want a new phone. Give it to me now". Again, this goes back to your TEP agreement and Sprints 30 day policy. If within 30 days, its exchange/replaced. Now, if you purchase at a Company owned store, you can return it at a Company owned store ANYWHERE. However, if you purchase it from a 3rd pary dealer, you must return it at one of their locations. This can be overridden thru customer care, but you will get NOWHERE in store. This is just the way this process works.
Fifth...understand that the person that you are dealing with in store has all the control, and its usually based off of the attitude the customer has. You yell and scream and act a fool, Im not doing **** for you. Flip side, youre calm and understanding of the processes Sprint has in place, Im gonna make SURE that you are taken care of. (Free accessory, bill credit, something...)
Hope this may lay to rest those that are only customers that think they are the CEO.
...And let the rage ensue..........
To be fair I have also walked into a sprint store and was mistreated by a person from the get go. I did nothing wrong or had any kind of bad attitude with them. I just knew the policies better then they did. Luckily a manager noticed the situation and took over helping me.
I do agree tho that some people do have horrible attitudes on both sides. Sad thing is it is those events that get blasted online. In your case I completely understand. The warranty question was ridiculous.
Also I have had beter experience at a corporate store than a 3rd party one and I always askif the store I am going to is corporate or not. I stay away from the 3rd party stores.
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So here is the deal, I just want everyone to know this because I see it a lot! You have more than 30 days to return your phone, well it works out that way! This is the way it works, and you can verify this with Sprint:
You can return your phone on the 29th day and get the exact same phone, or whatever one you want, you can do this 3 times total! ( I want to clarify this, when you get your phone is 1 time, first exchange is second time, and final exchange would be third time.)
So you can try out the Photon for 30 days, exchange it for the exact same one, or something different? Say you want to try out the SGS2, ok so your 29th day just happens to fall a few days after it releases. Cool, take your Photon in, tell them your not sure if you like it or not, but your wanting to try out the SGS2. Try that one out for 29 days and hey if you like it, keep it or exhange it out for a new one maybe you might have dropped it. Or hey you do like the Photon better, well there you go, get a brand new Photon and welcome back! That would be your last exchange, but it reset your 30 days!
This is real, this is not a scam this can be verified by Sprint, it does help getting a cool guy at the Sprint store, but even so, they have to do it, period!
I just want people to know this, because maybe you do want to give the next best thing a try, so go ahead, get the phone you WANT, not the one your stuck with!
I did this with the Evo3d so I could wait for the Photon release. I know it works first hand, and I have called Sprint just to verify that it works for EVERYONE!
Hope this helps some of you guys and is not too confusing!
-DJ
Two things I would like to ask, 1)Does 29+29+29=90 2) Should/will be there a $35 restocking fee every time an exchange is done?
nunyabiziz said:
Two things I would like to ask, 1)Does 29+29+29=90 2) Should/will be there a $35 restocking fee every time an exchange is done?
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There was not a restocking fee for me at anytime. Unless the Sprint rep is a *oo**(not nice guy) then I wouldn't think there would be. Like I said, helps if you friendly up with the Sprint rep of your choice.
I will let you answer your first question. I hope you would know what I meant by the 90 days.
-DJ
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Two things I would like to ask, 1)Does 29+29+29=90
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really ?? you absolutely had to go there ? I think the op was specific enough w/ his assessment of time for the majority of readers to get the idea, evidently, the idea passed over your head ...
on a different note, my wife traded her evo3D for the nexus S and the douche nozzle charged her the restocking fee.. I told her to wait till I could go w/ her but she was impatient.
YMMV but if they wanna charge me the restocking fee, I might call CS.
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Two things I would like to ask, 1)Does 29+29+29=90 2) Should/will be there a $35 restocking fee every time an exchange is done?
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If it's an upgrade it will b a $35 restocking fee not if its a add a line or new activation
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snoopy1e11 said:
If it's an upgrade it will b a $35 restocking fee not if its a add a line or new activation
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a very good friend of mine is the store manager at a (non corp) store and she tells me that it's each store's option/discretion as to whether they charge the restocking fee.
I'm likable and persuasive enough to be able to avoid the fee
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this is just a way to manipulate the system and piss off sales reps, likely resulting in you not getting service at the store you do this to. No one likes a tool.
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I believe in making friends w/ reps at stores that i patronize.. I also believe the op is condoning the same by the following portion of the op:
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, it does help getting a cool guy at the Sprint store,
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how would a rep be considered a 'cool guy' ??.. he would attain such status if you and said rep had alot in common.. for example, at the store that I'm speaking of (the one that charge my wife the restocking fee).. I made lots of friends when I told the reps (who had evos) and the techs how to bypass sprint's proxy to alleviate the streaming problems that were encountered.. my nickname up there is 'smart guy'.. see.. it's not necessarily that it's possible to manipulate the system, it's 'how' you manipulate the system.. if you are able to shoot the **** w/ the reps and make decent acquaintances, they are more likely to be a bit lax w/ rules and regulations to help someone out if asked.
this is my experience.. as always YMMV
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This is 100% true. If you're a friendly person and you try your hardest to work with us, we will in turn work with you and bend rules to make you happy. But just to come in and say "HEY BUDDY YOU HAVE TO LET ME SWAP THIS 3 TIMES, SPRINT SAYS SO! DONT MAKE ME CALL CUSTOMER SERVICE!", then I will gladly dial customer service for you on our landline phone, introduce myself to them and tell them the situation and then listen to them reassure you it's allowed, just so I can repeat my initial response of "Not happening here" and then give you a nice fake smile and ask you to have a nice day.
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if I were the rep in that situation and 'that' guy came into my store, I would do the same thing, only after the fake smile, I'd politely suggest they go outside for a friendly game of 'hide and go fu%% yourself" LMFAO.. I'm in retail and have to deal with the public all the time.. we get 'those' customers on occasion and it really frustrates me that I have to smile and just be 'polite'.. sometimes there's not a big enough baseball bat for their knees
if you tried this in my store id lol all over you.
m&p states that it is 30 days from original purchase or activation date. lmao
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Not to rain on your parade here, but in many stores, such my current and all previous retailer chains I've worked for, we limit you to one buyer's remorse swap. It's the fault of the customer for not researching more indepth before purchasing a device, but we understand mistakes happen. As such, you may swap models one time within your first 30 day window. Malfunctioning devices we will swap into the same model for, but that's it. You can go extending your 30 day's all you want, but it is up to the retailer, not Sprint, on how we handle the sale of our merchandise. We are only required to give you one buyer's remorse swap. It is way too costly for our companies to go RMA'ing two-three phones per customer just because you feel like it.
As such, this is not a guide, this is just a way to manipulate the system and piss off sales reps, likely resulting in you not getting service at the store you do this to. No one likes a tool.
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It doesn't matter what YOU and your other reps do, by Sprints law, it is completely doable and if a customer requests it, it has to be done. Whether or not you're that (not so nice guy) that we have to go above and beyond is up to you. Like I said, we avoid people like you and talk to the nice reps.
Obviously I don't mean just go in there looking for this, I just meant if you were indecisive about a couple of phones, this is a way you could give them both a try. It's not that I want every Tom, **** and Harry to start doing this every time they upgrade, I just wanted to make people aware of Sprints rules.
Edit: Also, this is where I would make sure I had a rep that would do this for me before I even bought from your store. There are ways to cover your ass.
-DJ
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I believe in making friends w/ reps at stores that i patronize.. I also believe the op is condoning the same by the following portion of the op:
how would a rep be considered a 'cool guy' ??.. he would attain such status if you and said rep had alot in common.. for example, at the store that I'm speaking of (the one that charge my wife the restocking fee).. I made lots of friends when I told the reps (who had evos) and the techs how to bypass sprint's proxy to alleviate the streaming problems that were encountered.. my nickname up there is 'smart guy'.. see.. it's not necessarily that it's possible to manipulate the system, it's 'how' you manipulate the system.. if you are able to shoot the **** w/ the reps and make decent acquaintances, they are more likely to be a bit lax w/ rules and regulations to help someone out if asked.
this is my experience.. as always YMMV
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This. +1. I knew I would get the uptight sprint reps to respond, but this is what i'm talking about. At least you get it.
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Just return and reset upgrade, then purchase again....simple
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This is 100% true. If you're a friendly person and you try your hardest to work with us, we will in turn work with you and bend rules to make you happy. But just to come in and say "HEY BUDDY YOU HAVE TO LET ME SWAP THIS 3 TIMES, SPRINT SAYS SO! DONT MAKE ME CALL CUSTOMER SERVICE!", then I will gladly dial customer service for you on our landline phone, introduce myself to them and tell them the situation and then listen to them reassure you it's allowed, just so I can repeat my initial response of "Not happening here" and then give you a nice fake smile and ask you to have a nice day.
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I would hope this is what you would do, this is not at all how I meant it. I am not trying to have people go piss off reps, once again I am just giving information on the laws and limits of Sprint. I am not condoning a mass phone return from all of Sprints customers.
For instance, if I had just got my Photon, and then the SGS2 came out and I wanted to give that one a fair shot, this is something I would use that for, as I thought I explained that quite well. My bad.
-DJ
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I would like to reiterate that M&P specifically states that 30 day exchange/returns go off the inital purchase/activation date. Any corporate store will be able to search this in RSP and find the information.
If you visit an authorized dealer you may find some different results.
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"Nice reps" huh? Funny enough that I've been recognized at the district level every month for top customer satisfaction scores on both phone repair and sales. I just don't let people like you walk all over reps and manipulate the system, which forces Sprint to tighten their reins and make it more difficult on the honest customers. You can't argue policy with someone who has to enforce it daily, resetting your 30 days is a manipulation of an extended courtesy option given originally only by retention to solve major customer satisfaction issues. It's not for every joe-schmo to take advantage of.
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You can spout off at me as much as you want bro, the fact is, is it's completely legal. Be mad, go cry to your manager I don't care, the guy I go through at Sprint doesn't have one bit of a problem with it. It's completely legal.
And guess what else, because the guy at my Sprint store did this, I have brought him over 60 people from competitors. Just think, if you weren't so anal, you might have got someone just as bad as me that walks all over reps and gives them as much commission as he could ever get from just one terrible guy like me.
Who gets to vote for you? I think they were rigged! Lol Chill dude, it's not a bad thing. You don't even know me, I bet we'd get along just fine, and I bet you would have hooked me up the same way if it was your store. You know why? Cuz we both have this in common! This being xda.
-DJ
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I'm not trying to be hostile towards you, but people in this forum will read this thread and take advantage of such knowledge. Stuff like this gets people fired when a pissy customer starts yelling in they give in and do it without permission from management.
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So get permission. Don't be an idiot, I wouldn't do it either if I didn't have permission, I'm not stupid. You guys are completely over reacting. I mean I thought common sense was free. Jesus.
This is what happens when someone tries to help the community. No wonder it's quiet in here.
At my store I deal directly with the manager, period. I don't deal with pawns. Mainly because you're going to get this answer every time, "Let me ask my manager"....
-DJ
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Not to rain on your parade here, but in many stores, such my current and all previous retailer chains I've worked for, we limit you to one buyer's remorse swap. It's the fault of the customer for not researching more indepth before purchasing a device, but we understand mistakes happen. As such, you may swap models one time within your first 30 day window. Malfunctioning devices we will swap into the same model for, but that's it. You can go extending your 30 day's all you want, but it is up to the retailer, not Sprint, on how we handle the sale of our merchandise. We are only required to give you one buyer's remorse swap. It is way too costly for our companies to go RMA'ing two-three phones per customer just because you feel like it.
As such, this is not a guide, this is just a way to manipulate the system and piss off sales reps, likely resulting in you not getting service at the store you do this to. No one likes a tool.
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Whats wrong with a paying customer trying out the merchandise before he commits to such a large purchase? How can we research a product that just came out and truly get an unbiased opinion? Buyers remorse or not, these manufactures always tell you the pro's to their products and never the cons. I've gone through 3 phones to finally get the one that works good for me. I'm not manipulating the system, just trying to exercise my right as a consumer. A small price to pay for a multi-billion dollar company that should adopt a "spare no expense" type mentality against this economy and its competitors.
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Whats wrong with a paying customer trying out the merchandise before he commits to such a large purchase? How can we research a product that just came out and truly get an unbiased opinion? Buyers remorse or not, these manufactures always tell you the pro's to their products and never the cons. I've gone through 3 phones to finally get the one that works good for me. I'm not manipulating the system, just trying to exercise my right as a consumer. A small price to pay for a multi-billion dollar company that should adopt a "spare no expense" type mentality against this economy and its competitors.
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Amen brother, amen! I know there's more of you! Lol
-DJ
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That's all fine and well if you want to do your business at corporate, but many of us aren't Sprint for the most part. We sell and represent Sprint, sure, but that's it. Our company assets are extremely finite and exchanging massive amounts of product for customers would not only cost us a substantial amount but it would also risk us losing our right to sell Sprint. Sprint and the manufacturers impose a set maximum number of product that we may return to them via RMA, and every exchange results in an RMA. This number is surprisingly small, and we get charged back for every item that we have to return. Justify your exchanges as you will, but I hold nothing against we third party retailers for denying you anything beyond one exchange. If we order 50 phones in a shipment, and 10 customers exchange their phone twice under buyer's remorse, that's 20 phones we're sending back, 10 sold, and 20 remaining for other customers. So out of 50 phones we purchased, we're only getting paid for 30 of them.
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I see what you mean there, but it was that third party store that should have read the fine print pertaining to sprints rules to the customer. So next time order more phones! Jk. But I mean said store should know about how Sprint works, shouldn't they?
And by the way the one I go to is a third party store.
-DJ
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This is why I've explained and as [email protected] has said, the 30 day reset isn't a policy. It's a customer courtesy option. Your contract and our M&P both state that the customer has a 30 day satisfaction guarantee in which they may exchange under buyer's remorse or for manufacturer's defects. Being third party we do a lot of things to bend rules for customers but we avoid the ones that can put us out of business. Sprint doesn't like to pay any of us as it is, we all work for minimum wage at my store and average $400 commission per month with no overtime and no holiday pay. I'd say the amount we do for customers versus what corporate reps do, especially considering the difference in pay (our average W2's are about 15,000/year after taxes, corporate sales get roughly 35,000/year after taxes) is pretty dramatic. You can't blame us for protecting our companies.
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I don't mean to sound stupid, but when you say 3rd party store, do you mean like a Best Buy, Radio Shack, etc? I totally understand how this would hurt you, on the other hand I also agree that if Sprint has this, they do. Is it possible that if a customer came into your store (having already exchanged once) that you could redirect them to a corporate Sprint store? I'm not sure how it works. I know I originally bought the Photon at a Sprint store, took it back (it started having probs right after the 1st OTA), the db at the store charged me the $35 restock fee, didn't even bother to turn my old phone back on (I had to call in and have it reactivated), and I was gonna wait and get the GS II, but after the announcement I got another Photon (this time from BB, and saved $100 in the process).
I just got off an approximate 90 minute call regarding my "glitch" order over the weekend. It was very frustrating, but if you read to the end, you will pick up some tips and get the happy ending we all look for in life.
Prior to the call I had two orders. The first was on September 6th. It was not attached to any phone line and was put in as a special order as an accessory.
The second order was from the 29th during the "glitch" time. It was on my main line and got the subsidized price and kept unlimited data with a confirmation email.
My goals were simple: have a verbal and written confirmation to retain my unlimited data if the second contract was going to be honored and cancel one of the orders as I don't need two Note 3s.
So I call up and get the front line tech support guy. I explain the above and then he takes the second order's confirmation number and whatnot. He punches it up and he says the system is currently showing that as soon as I activate the phone, I will go to the default 2GB/month data plan. I asked him how could that possibly be when I have a confirmation email saying I have unlimited data confirmed and an official statement from Verizon headquarters to droid-life.com that the contracts will be honored He says he has never heard of this official statement and there's no news in the system regarding this weekend. I then proceed to read it verbatim to him. He repeats that there's nothing in the system regarding this, so my account will default to the 2GB plan. I'm really starting to hate this "system" at this point...
Wanting to retain my unlimited data, I then ask and give him all the info for the first order. He says he can't find it in the system (there goes that system again...) He continues to search for a couple minutes and says he can't find the order. He then puts me on hold saying he is contacting another department. After several minutes of being on hold, he comes back on line and says the other department told him they found the order, but since it was not attached to a phone number it was harder to find. The status of this order is processed, out to the warehouse, and can not be canceled. Wait. What? Does that mean it's being shipped today? He says he doesn't have that information. He can only go by the previous 10/10 date.
I realized at this point this guy was going to be no use to me. He cannot help me retain unlimited data on the second order and he can't cancel the second. I ask him to escalate the call and he does. So, I have to explain the whole situation to the new guy all over, of course...
He punches up the numbers for the second order and it comes right up in his system. He confirms that it is at the warehouse stage, but doesn't know when it's going to ship either. He sticks to the 10/10 date as well as that's what's official and on the order.
He then punches up the second order's numbers and he says the system shows I will retain unlimited, that it is not at the warehouse stage, and he's sticking to the 10/10 date on that order for shipping as well. I explain the droid-life statement and he's completely aware of it as he had many friends and colleagues ask him about it over the weekend. He even tried to place an order himself, but it wouldn't let him do it with his employee ID and there wasn't anybody working on the weekend to override the system. I tell him I'm a heavy data user and need to retain my unlimited. He said he was grandfathered in and was a heavy user as well. FINALLY, a sympathetic ear. He says he will do everything in his power keep the unlimited for me.
He then goes to droid-life.com and takes a screenshot of the official statement from Verizon. He then gives me his personal Verizon email address to forward the confirmation email I got from the second order. He gets it and takes a screenshot of it as well. He puts them both as attachments to the trouble ticket. He types for a couple more minutes and then says, "Okay, this is all the proof I need. I personally guarantee you will not lose your unlimited data when you activate this phone." A HUGE sigh of relief come out of my mouth.
I then give him this scenario: Let's go with the 10th as the shipping date and say I sign for it on the 12th. What next? He said activate the phone via verizonwireless.com. Do NOT call to activate or bring it to a local store to activate. This may cause the line to be manually reverted to the 2GB plan due to human error and interaction. Basically, he's saying let "the system" activate the phone since it currently says I'm supposed to have unlimited. After activating the phone, immediately log out of the verizonwireless.com website and log back in. If the data gets changed you'll know immediately. In my mind I envision a scenario in my head of calling on the 12th and having to go through this allllllll over again starting from scratch. I ask afraid to hear his next response, "what do I do if that happens?" He immediately responds, "Email me. I'll fix it within 10 minutes. I have access to the tools to revert you." I swore I heard a church choir hymn and saw a halo above this guy's head in that instant. He went on to further say, "In fact, I'm curious as to how the system handles your case. Please email me even if your unlimited is retained." For what this guy did for me, hell yeah I am.
End result, lessons learned and advice to all glitch order people:
1) Once the subsidized order was guaranteed intact, I had him cancel the first full retail price order. He said this would have to be a "manual order cancel" since my order was already in processing. It will take 12-24 hours to process this manual cancellation. He said if I don't have a cancel confirmation email by this time tomorrow to email him and he will track it down.
2) This Verizon "system" is HUGE and can be messed up at any time by any human. The front line call center people apparently have VERY limited access to this system. There's so many hands in this system that your orders and rights can be screwed up in an instant, sometimes through no fault of their own. If you talk to the right person with enough access to the system, it actually works. This second tier Verizon rep has reinvigorated my support for this company. I no longer just like the network; I like their service-- A LOT.
3) If you have a "glitch" order pending, call Verizon today as soon as you get home. Be prepared to go through the same struggle, but never waiver in your determination to keep your unlimited at the subsidized price. If you talk to the right person it will happen. Once you have your unlimited assured, if you're not told to by whomever you talk to activate by the website only, activate by the website only. If your unlimited goes away after activation, call or go to your local Verizon store immediately to have it fixed.
Attached is proof I emailed him my "glitch" confirmation email and his reply acknowledgement.
Hope this helps some of you out there,
Doc
docnok63 said:
3) If you have a "glitch" order pending, call Verizon today as soon as you get home. Be prepared to go through the same struggle, but never waiver in your determination to keep your unlimited at the subsidized price. If you talk to the right person it will happen. Once you have your unlimited assured, if you're not told to by whomever you talk to activate by the website only, activate by the website only. If your unlimited goes away after activation, call or go to your local Verizon store immediately to have it fixed.
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I'm going to activate it through VerizonWireless.com like you said, but I'm not going to bother to call. If I lose unlimited after signing up for the unlimited plan I'll simply call them and let them know they need to revert me back to unlimited or I'll be canceling without a termination fee. Then I'll head over to T-Mobile, pick up the Note 3, and be happy.
Thanks for the heads up though, much appreciated.
I saw it on TV news last night, Verizon WILL be honoring the contracts made unlimited due to the glitch! You guys lucky! I wasn't up for renewal, 5 mo to go, so missed out.
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LillieBennett said:
I saw it on TV news last night, Verizon WILL be honoring the contracts made unlimited due to the glitch! You guys lucky! I wasn't up for renewal, 5 mo to go, so missed out.
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What news station?
LillieBennett said:
I saw it on TV news last night, Verizon WILL be honoring the contracts made unlimited due to the glitch!
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I'm very sure they'll honor the contracts now that they've officially said so. It's your current status in the system that will determine if your unlimited stays after you activate the phone. If it's set to put you at the 2GB default, then it will. Then you'll have to spend all kinds of time on the phone and/or at the Verizon store getting it back. It's better to nip it in the bud before the phone comes so you can just enjoy the awesomeness that is the Note 3!
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I'm very sure they'll honor the contracts now that they've officially said so. It's your current status in the system that will determine if your unlimited stays after you activate the phone. If it's set to put you at the 2GB default, then it will. Then you'll have to spend all kinds of time on the phone and/or at the Verizon store getting it back. It's better to nip it in the bud before the phone comes so you can just enjoy the awesomeness that is the Note 3!
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They announced monday morning that they were going to honor all the orders from this past weekend. I'd suggest subscribing to a few android news feeds. Could save you a lot of time in the future.
The plot thickens........
Gotta love that Verizon system...
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This could possibly mean that my retail price order shipped.
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What news station?
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WHSV if I remember correctly, but it's to late to change orders, those who stayed with the glitch order won big, congratulations!
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I'm a former verizon employee, both in over the phone tier 1 customer service and in store retail rep. As xda has been a huge help to me in the past I figured it was time to break my silence. I'm also going to use this post to give you some insider secrets.
First, it seems like you lucked out with the second rep. He was clearly on his game, and had a supervisor who is able to give him some leeway. He offered to give you his personal email * a big no no, and wants to help you. If hes taking screenshots, he most likely notated your account, which is good for you. The lesson to learn here is twofold. One, there are many corporate reps who will tell you whatever you want to hear to get you off the phone and will either forget to notate the account, or will blatantly not write it in your account (I used to clean these up all the time). Given that he he gave you an @VerizonWireless.com email I would assume, you are in good shape. Now, here is where things get interesting. Verizon cannot fill its customer service ranks as the job is a thankless one, and unless you are vested, most reps are lucky to last a year. In addition, they have been closing call centers and asking more of the reps they already have. As a result, verizon backfills there demand with third party call centers. These third party call centers are unfortunately very un-acountable because no one in corporate has access to them. If they can't give you a real email, then they are likely one of these reps. Unfortunately, reps aren't supposed to give out their emails to begin with, so its a crapshoot to begin with, but its a place to start. Also, verizon centers run until 11pm in their local jurisdiction. The later you call, the more likely you are to get one of these reps.
It also seems like this person had a competent supervisor who would be willing to back them up. Unfortunately not all supervisors are willing to work with you. Verizon tied the supervisor schedules to things like credits, so you may need to call multiple times to get what you want.
As for the first rep. He could either have been a third party rep *who get half the information as corporate reps and half the access, or he could just not be aware of what happened. A lot of verizon employees don't follow places like droid-life, and in cases of leaks, they are the last people to know about anything. Usually it takes a while before there is even an official response from legal. Furthermore, corporate would likely be telling the reps to try and get you to switch, because "your data usage is really low" or some other bull****. The best option is to stay firm, but never lose your temper. Most reps will try their best to help you out as long as you remain civil. The minute you start yelling and screaming, you've lost your leverage. Verizon reps live and die by surveys, and they want you to give them a ten, but if they've already got their survey for the day, then acting like an ass is a surefire way to get nowhere.
The rep you got did an amazing job, if you get a survey make sure to give him a ten.
-If anyone has questions about how to navigate vzw's systems, what to say to reps etc from an insider perspective shoot me a pm. I left there in august(from retail), so my information is a bit out of date, but I will do my best to help.
soupaloup said:
I'm a former verizon employee, both in over the phone tier 1 customer service and in store retail rep. As xda has been a huge help to me in the past I figured it was time to break my silence. I'm also going to use this post to give you some insider secrets.
First, it seems like you lucked out with the second rep. He was clearly on his game, and had a supervisor who is able to give him some leeway. He offered to give you his personal email * a big no no, and wants to help you. If hes taking screenshots, he most likely notated your account, which is good for you. The lesson to learn here is twofold. One, there are many corporate reps who will tell you whatever you want to hear to get you off the phone and will either forget to notate the account, or will blatantly not write it in your account (I used to clean these up all the time). Given that he he gave you an @VerizonWireless.com email I would assume, you are in good shape. Now, here is where things get interesting. Verizon cannot fill its customer service ranks as the job is a thankless one, and unless you are vested, most reps are lucky to last a year. In addition, they have been closing call centers and asking more of the reps they already have. As a result, verizon backfills there demand with third party call centers. These third party call centers are unfortunately very un-acountable because no one in corporate has access to them. If they can't give you a real email, then they are likely one of these reps. Unfortunately, reps aren't supposed to give out their emails to begin with, so its a crapshoot to begin with, but its a place to start. Also, verizon centers run until 11pm in their local jurisdiction. The later you call, the more likely you are to get one of these reps.
It also seems like this person had a competent supervisor who would be willing to back them up. Unfortunately not all supervisors are willing to work with you. Verizon tied the supervisor schedules to things like credits, so you may need to call multiple times to get what you want.
As for the first rep. He could either have been a third party rep *who get half the information as corporate reps and half the access, or he could just not be aware of what happened. A lot of verizon employees don't follow places like droid-life, and in cases of leaks, they are the last people to know about anything. Usually it takes a while before there is even an official response from legal. Furthermore, corporate would likely be telling the reps to try and get you to switch, because "your data usage is really low" or some other bull****. The best option is to stay firm, but never lose your temper. Most reps will try their best to help you out as long as you remain civil. The minute you start yelling and screaming, you've lost your leverage. Verizon reps live and die by surveys, and they want you to give them a ten, but if they've already got their survey for the day, then acting like an ass is a surefire way to get nowhere.
The rep you got did an amazing job, if you get a survey make sure to give him a ten.
-If anyone has questions about how to navigate vzw's systems, what to say to reps etc from an insider perspective shoot me a pm. I left there in august(from retail), so my information is a bit out of date, but I will do my best to help.
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Wow! Thanks for this incredibly useful post man!
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I also ordered a phone during the glitch An s4. Got it yesterday called them today and the guy told me he knew nothing of a glitch that let users keep unlimited data. Told him to ask his supervisor, which he did and after a brief hold came back on and said there is an internal memo email about this issue. He stated that this is known throughout all call centers as well as stores that we are to KEEP unlimited data if we ordered during the glitch. So use that info when calling because he assured me for my piece of mind that my unlimted data on all four accounts will be intact. Activated phone and it stayed unlimited. :laugh:
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I also ordered a phone during the glitch An s4. Got it yesterday called them today and the guy told me he knew nothing of a glitch that let users keep unlimited data. Told him to ask his supervisor, which he did and after a brief hold came back on and said there is an internal memo email about this issue. He stated that this is known throughout all call centers as well as stores that we are to KEEP unlimited data if we ordered during the glitch. So use that info when calling because he assured me for my piece of mind that my unlimted data on all four accounts will be intact. Activated phone and it stayed unlimited. :laugh:
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Congratulations! Enjoy your S4! It's a great phone. I'll be giving mine to my son when my Note 3 comes. Now if only Verizon could cancel my first full retail price order. They're still "working" on it. It's been two days now......still no cancel confirmation email.
docnok63 said:
Congratulations! Enjoy your S4! It's a great phone. I'll be giving mine to my son when my Note 3 comes. Now if only Verizon could cancel my first full retail price order. They're still "working" on it. It's been two days now......still no cancel confirmation email.
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Verizon has a separate website for "iconic" pre-orders. Although it looks pretty much the same as the regular order status site, it is a different one. This site gives you the option to cancel your pre-order, but it's kind of hidden.
Try going to this exact website:
https://preorder.verizonwireless.com/iconic/
Then click on "Check Order Status" on the bottom. Enter your pre-order confirmation number and last name and you will get the option to either cancel the order or change payment.
Hope this helps.
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Verizon has a separate website for "iconic" pre-orders. Although it looks pretty much the same as the regular order status site, it is a different one. This site gives you the option to cancel your pre-order, but it's kind of hidden.
Try going to this exact website:
https://preorder.verizonwireless.com/iconic/
Then click on "Check Order Status" on the bottom. Enter your pre-order confirmation number and last name and you will get the option to either cancel the order or change payment.
Hope this helps.
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Dude, that was PERFECT!!! I did it!!!
docnok63 said:
Dude, that was PERFECT!!! I did it!!!
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Nice! The only reason I know about it is because I had to change my payment info, but nobody could do it for me in live chat or even over the phone. Even the csr I was talking to didn't know about it till she talked to a higher up, but they pointed me in the right direction, finally.
LuczOr said:
Nice! The only reason I know about it is because I had to change my payment info, but nobody could do it for me in live chat or even over the phone. Even the csr I was talking to didn't know about it till she talked to a higher up, but they pointed me in the right direction, finally.
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Yes thanks for the tip. I used it to confirm that three previous orders had been canceled, and one wasn't.
Thanks again. Brilliant.
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docnok63 said:
Dude, that was PERFECT!!! I did it!!!
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You might want to edit out all of your personal information from that screenshot...
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You might want to edit out all of your personal information from that screenshot...
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Thanks. As you saw from the original one, I edited in the bottom and didn't even think about the tabs... Thanks again.
docnok63 said:
Thanks. As you saw from the original one, I edited in the bottom and didn't even think about the tabs... Thanks again.
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No prob. Just figured you overlooked it.
not to hijack the thread
Not to hijack this thread, but i had question for you guys.
I got a LG G2 during the glitch and picked it up in store the same day with the idea of exchanging it for a Note 3 when it releases.
anyways I was thinking, if I go to exchange it in store and go to the same person who helped me last time (keep unlimited) would it be just a straight exchange plus the difference of the phone? I dont want them to remove my unlimited.
Also i bought the g2 with the "verizon30" coupon...would that still work with the note 3 when i exchange it?
thanks guys!