By Reuters10:31AM BST 27 Jul 201210
September quarter mobile profits are expected to forge further ahead as the latest Galaxy model enjoys a sales boom before the next iPhone launch, widely expected in October, driving Samsung's profit to a record of nearly 8 trillion won ($7 billion). The mobile business brings in around 60 percent of Samsung's earnings.
Profits of the handset division more than doubled from a year earlier and the flat-screen business swung to a profit as LCD prices stabilized.
Shares in Samsung, which also makes TVs and other appliances, flat-screens, and chips, jumped as much as 4.7 percent to a five-week high after the results, outperforming the wider market.
"Solid results from the TV division show its resilience to the euro zone crisis, while the mobile division has become a strong cash cow on the back of strong Galaxy sales," said Seo Won-seok, an analyst at Korea Investment & Securities.
"Weak memory chip prices remain the biggest concern for Samsung in the third quarter, but it will again fare better than rivals as its reliance on Apple, which tends to squeeze suppliers quite a bit, is small compared to the likes of Hynix and Toshiba. It'll have less margin pressure."
JK Shin, head of Samsung's telecoms business, told Reuters on Sunday that sales of the Galaxy S III, the most aggressive competitor to the iPhone, were better than his initial forecast of at least 10 million units in the first two months after its launch in late May.
It is also preparing a sequel to the popular phone-cum-tablet Galaxy Note later this year to counter Apple's new product releases.
Samsung, which earlier this year ended Nokia's 14-year reign as the top global handset maker, is estimated to have increased smartphone shipments to 50.5 million in the June quarter, nearly double the 26 million iPhones sold.
Apple shipments in the June quarter tumbled 26 percent sequentially as the European economy sagged and consumers held off on buying ahead of the release of the iPhone 5.
"Regardless of Apple's performance, Samsung will be strong in the third quarter," said Byun Han-joon, an analyst at KB Investment & Securities. "Actually, for Samsung, Apple's stumble is a chance."
Analysts estimated that Samsung, which now controls more than a third of the global smartphone market, will sell 15 million to 20 million of its Galaxy S III in the September quarter.
Samsung, valued at $160 billion and the world's leading maker of TVs, said April-June operating profit totaled 6.72 trillion won ($5.9 billion), in line with guidance it issued earlier this month.
That is up 79 per cent from a year ago and 15 per cent from the previous record - 5.85 trillion won in the March quarter.
Still, its net profit of 5.2 trillion won ($4.5bn) is only half of the $8.8 billion Apple returned in the last quarter from its iPhone, iPad and Mac computer sales.
Samsung's gross margin of 37 percent also lags Apple's 43 percent.
The two technology giants, locked in bruising patent battle globally, will begin a jury trial in federal court in San Jose, California on Monday. Apple seeks roughly $2.5bn in damages, plus permanent injunctions on some Samsung phones and tablets, while Samsung is demanding patent royalty payments.
Samsung said it expected its third quarter - July to September - to be marginally positive as demand for consumer electronic goods, including smartphones and tablets remains strong.
However, it said it expected weak demand for PC DRAM to continue in the third quarter.
Song Myung-sub, a senior analyst at HI Investment & Securities, said chip earnings might pull back slightly in the third quarter.
"But the increase in demand for its products from Microsoft Windows 8 release in September and the iPhone in October will bring demand higher than supply," Song said.
Profit from the telecoms division more than doubled to 4.19 trillion won from a year earlier 1.71 trillion won, with sales of 50.5 million smartphones - or 380 every minute.
Its semiconductor business showed a small decline in profit to 1.1 trillion won from 1.79 trillion won, following weak demand for NAND memory chips and computer memory chips.
Prices of NAND flash memory chips tumbled 46 percent in the first half of this year following a 34 percent plunge last year, forcing Toshiba Corp to cut output by 30 percent.
The flat screen division swung to a small profit of 750 billion won from a year earlier loss of 210 billion won after a global fall in LCD (liquid crystal display) prices stabilized.
The TV and home appliances business returned 760 billion won, up from 470 billion won. Analysts have said the business has been buoyed by solid sales of high-end TV models with 3D and Internet connectivity features.
While the next iPhone will likely slow Samsung's handset earnings growth, it will boost the Korean firm's semiconductor earnings as Samsung is the sole producer of processing chips used to power the iPhone and iPad, and also supplies Apple with mobile memory chips, NAND flash and display screens.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...axy-S3-brings-record-profits-for-Samsung.html
The Sammy execs must be laughing all the way to the bank, given this phone was released 2 months ago and no doubt many more sales to come you have to say highly impressive sales figures.
So whats the question ?????
Or is it an Answer for Nokia and RIM .
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So whats the question ?????
Or is it an Answer for Nokia and RIM .
jje
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Not sure i understand what you mean mate?
Nokia are *****d and the Nokia executives who decided to stay with Symbian should have been given their cards a long time ago.
If Nokia would have went with Android as their primary OS they wouldn't be in the precarious position they are now.
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So whats the question ?????
Or is it an Answer for Nokia and RIM .
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Not sure i understand what you mean mate?
Nokia are *****d and the Nokia executives who decided to stay with Symbian should have been given their cards a long time ago.
If Nokia would have went with Android as their primary OS they wouldn't be in the precarious position they are now.
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What I think he means is why is this posted in Q&A and not General if it's not a question of some sorts
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The german TV magazine "Monitor" has already uncovered many corporate scandals. They have once again on the Locust "Nokia" reported here has already shown its true colors in Germany.
After the company in the city Bochum took over € 60 million subsidy to support the work there, soon they have closed the factory and refunded only under pressure of about 30 million €.
Reason: too expensive jobs (2500 - $/2000 € average earnings), too far from the new markets.
They moved to Romania, where they roundabout also conceded 30 million subsidy for the creation of jobs, especially because a new infrastructure was created by the subsidies. After three years some time ago the factory was closed, no money refunded.
Reason: too expensive work (300 $/ 250 € average earnings), too far from the new markets. The merit was too small even for Romanian conditions, working conditions and times much harder than in Germany.
They moved to India, conceded there an estimated 100 million subsidy for the creation of jobs. Then again, relocating is planned.
Reason: jobs and working conditions in Vietnam are still cheaper (in India: 160 $/ 125 € average earnings). The achievement was even by Indian standards not sufficient to feed the family, working conditions and times are harder than in Romania.
Read carefully in advance to find out where your devices are manufactured and under what conditions. There is even a famous company from Cupertino who enjoy making similar headlines. Because cash investors and managers get (including tax) billions and rub their bellies and their staff can produce under unhealthy and inhumane conditions your smartphone.
Also HTC is in conflict, because the displays were produced by a company, where children shall work without earning money. Questions about these problems were not answered. HTC says, they don´t know something about the produce conditions.
A boycott of these companies would be decent, rather than ride on the "hip" wave, if they don´t change their politic.
For an emerging company that starts in the new markets, there are such companies guidance how it should (not) run, if they want to be successful.
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As much as I agree that inhuman working conditions are not good, everyone does it. Let's take an example: I start a company and I want to make smartphones, but I want them to be made in good, healthy, human conditions. That would easily cost me double the production price compared to other manufacturers. As a result, my model to compete with the Lumia 800 would cost around €800 to €1000 (compared to the €400-500 for a Lumia). What would happen? Nobody would buy it, because they get almost the same for half the price if they buy the Nokia phone.
There's only one thing driving this situations: money. As long as there are no international laws to prohibit this sorts of activity, it will continue, just because otherwise your products cannot be competitive in the market.
On the other hand, if such laws would come, you would have a lot of unsatisfied customers, because we would have to pay a lot more, for the same device. Then again, it would be very important that the law is international.
It's all about the money...
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As much as I agree that inhuman working conditions are not good, everyone does it. Let's take an example: I start a company and I want to make smartphones, but I want them to be made in good, healthy, human conditions. That would easily cost me double the production price compared to other manufacturers. As a result, my model to compete with the Lumia 800 would cost around €800 to €1000 (compared to the €400-500 for a Lumia). What would happen? Nobody would buy it, because they get almost the same for half the price if they buy the Nokia phone.
There's only one thing driving this situations: money. As long as there are no international laws to prohibit this sorts of activity, it will continue, just because otherwise your products cannot be competitive in the market.
On the other hand, if such laws would come, you would have a lot of unsatisfied customers, because we would have to pay a lot more, for the same device. Then again, it would be very important that the law is international.
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I don't think that a HTC-phone would cost €1000 if they made sure that their displays wasn't produced by children without salary.
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I don't think that a HTC-phone would cost €1000 if they made sure that their displays wasn't produced by children without salary.
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True. But it's pointloss to only do it for the display. You should do it for ever single part in the phone, and don't you worry, costs will go up dramatically.
The Nexus 4 costs a mere $299 and the Nexus 7 tablet only $199. Many analysts think Google is heavily subsidizing these products, selling them at break-even or even losing money (to an extent, that may depend on some cost-accounting assumptions--suffice it to say, they aren't believed to be profiting from the hardware sales).
My question is--will this pricing be sustained? I care both for theoretical reasons--it's just an interesting question--and personal reasons--I am going to switch to T-Mobile's Value Plan, which offers cheaper rates in exchange for eliminating hardware subsidies.
Thanks for your opinions.
Yes for me yes
I've seen an article like 3 months ago where some chinese company made a 4,7 inch phone with such specs that it could beat the Galaxy S3 and the price.....only 199 US dollars. =)
Samsung, Sony, HTC and every other major OEMs OVERCHARGE their products. $ $
But in my opinion yes Google will stay with the prices as their goal is to make phone affordable yet powerful.
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The Nexus 4 costs a mere $299 and the Nexus 7 tablet only $199. Many analysts think Google is heavily subsidizing these products, selling them at break-even or even losing money (to an extent, that may depend on some cost-accounting assumptions--suffice it to say, they aren't believed to be profiting from the hardware sales).
My question is--will this pricing be sustained? I care both for theoretical reasons--it's just an interesting question--and personal reasons--I am going to switch to T-Mobile's Value Plan, which offers cheaper rates in exchange for eliminating hardware subsidies.
Thanks for your opinions.
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dont forget that google's gains from ads, searches, datamining, play store sales and in-app sales and ads.
they dont really need any hardware revenues, they got into phones and tablet sales just to shock the market which (mostly for tablet) was growing stale and lazy.
I'm pretty sure they don't make a loss.. they might be making a slight profit in their hardware but the main profit comes in the software
Updated Thoughts on Nexus Pricing, Ref Moto X
Most of the predictions and pundits said the Moto X would be very affordable off-contract, perhaps even below the (very impressive) $299 price point of the Nexus 4. What a bust that turned out to be. The announcement didn't even talk about off-contract, then later in the day it came out that off-contract will be typical high-end pricing.
But while disappointed, I'm not really that surprised. I've had my doubts about whether Google will continue low Nexus pricing. It would seem to cause a lot of relationship conflict, with carriers (in U.S.) but especially with manufacturers. The handset makers are, understandably, touchy enough about Google owning Motorola. Having Motorola become the disruptive, low-cost competitor would only fan the flames. Thus, not surprised that the Moto X doesn't impress on price.
So back to Nexus. There are those who believe the Moto X is the Nexus 5...meaning there is no real Nexus planned for this year. If that proves true, it reinforces the point. I also predict a phased rise in the price of Nexuses when they do come out. The next one, whenever it comes out, will be $375-$400 for the low memory configuration. Then the next one will increase by another $75-100, at which point they will have reached their equilibrium price. Also, there may not be a Nexus device every year--only when Google has a reason for releasing one.
I really hope I am wrong. A few months ago I switched to Tmo's new "un-carrier" plan. We have data for a family of 5 for $120/month (the kids have to make do with 500 Mb, which really isn't that bad). Depending how often you buy new phones, and whether you get BOGOs, etc, it is about break-even
at full retail pricing. But if you can get Nexuses for $299, it offers very compelling savings.
(P.S. Yes, I do understand Google makes money off ads, not devices, and if they really wanted to, they could sustain low Nexus pricing forever. I didn't mean sustainable in the pure profit margin sense, I meant it in the marketing and partner relationships sense. )
Simple answer: yes!
But: there is always a "but"
Unless you're into tech and knows the product offering then this will be a steal, however for 90% of the consumer shopping for a phone looks at features which they never use. Samsung, HTC, Sony etc. All can charge $600 because they have justify their developer team also the money spent on marketing.
Sammy has Touchwiz, HTC has Sense, etc. which try to differentiate then self from other manufacturers. Nexus products were intended for developers however Google saw the potential of gaining market share from Apple and jumped on the opportunity.
Unless other manufacturers pressure Google to change their price point we will continue to receive great products at low cost and for that thank you Google.
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SUWON, South Korea (Reuters) - Samsung Electronics Co plans to sell a variation of its flagship Galaxy S4 smartphone that will transmit data at nearly twice the normal speed, the head of its mobile business said on Monday.
J.K. Shin, also co-chief executive of the world's biggest technology firm by revenue, said the phone would be sold in South Korea as early as this month.
Samsung was in talks with several overseas carriers to take the phone, Shin told Reuters in an interview at Samsung's headquarters in Suwon, just south of Seoul. He declined to name the carriers.
"We'll be the first with the commercial launch of the advanced 4G version of the smartphone," Shin said.
The new S4 will use LTE-Advanced 4G technology, an upgrade from conventional 4G called LTE, or long term evolution. LTE-Advanced offers data transmission at up to twice the normal 4G speed. The phones will be powered by Qualcomm chips.
A movie download that takes 3 minutes with conventional 4G would take slightly more than 1 minute, Samsung said.
Samsung's shares have lost almost $20 billion since June 7 after analysts cut forecasts for Galaxy S4 sales by as much as 30 percent on industry data that showed the high-end smartphone market was getting saturated.
The same problem is hitting sales of the iPhone 5, made by Samsung rival Apple Inc.
Samsung's market capitalization is still a hefty $195 billion. Its shares closed down 0.2 percent on Monday.
Shin showed little concern about sales prospects for the S4, which hit stores in late April. The mobile devices division is the company's biggest profit generator.
"S4 sales remain strong. It's selling far stronger than the (Galaxy) S III ... and the new LTE-Advanced (4G) phone will be another addition to our high-end segment offerings that ensure healthy profit margins," Shin said.
Shin declined to provide forecasts for S4 sales. He said the new S4 would be slightly more expensive than the current one.
The South Korean firm hopes the addition of hardware offerings such as faster data transmission, along with its widely anticipated move to introduce models with unbreakable or flexible displays, will help it protect margin growth.
"As operators seek to provide more data-centric mobile services, I think this will become mainstream 4G technology globally in the coming years," Shin said.
Shin also said sales of Samsung's tablet products in the U.S. market jumped 3.3 times since it installed brand shops within Best Buy's stores in April, and is now considering expanding the format in Latin America and Britain. Samsung declined to name potential retailers.
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Having conquered the smartphone market that Apple virtually created with the iconic iPhone in 2007, Samsung is seeking to do the same in the network business with the booming 4G mobile equipment market, challenging bigger rivals such as Ericsson, China's Huawei and Nokia Siemens Networks.
Many countries need to upgrade mobile base stations to handle not just 3G but also 4G, or build them from scratch to support 4G connections.
Shin said the network gear market was one of Samsung's fastest growing businesses, mainly thanks to 4G equipment sales which had been rising more than 30 percent a year since 2010.
The new phone would help this part of Samsung's business, he said.
"Such technology leadership will set the pace for the competition and help us become a major player in the network gear market," Shin said.
Samsung has won some 4G network deals from all major South Korean carriers, U.S. Sprint Nextel Corp and Japan's KDDI Corp and Hutchison Whampoa's British unit, but it needs to crack China to close the gap with traditional vendors in the overall gear equipment market.
Shin said there had not been much progress in Samsung's push to penetrate China's 4G equipment market yet, but it was increasing investment in the country.
China's three mobile operators - China Mobile, China Unicom and China Telecom - plan to spend a combined 345 billion yuan ($56.3 billion) this year on network upgrades. That includes investment in 4G, which multiplies mobile broadband speeds by up to five times for users of iPhone and Galaxy phones compared with 3G.
Many analysts believe Huawei and ZTE Corp - already big suppliers of China Mobile since only 10-15 percent of 3G network contracts went to foreign vendors - will be winners, leaving others to fight for smaller bits of the pie.
Samsung hopes to show Chinese clients that 4G networks with new technology can be built faster and with lower operating costs.
Not to hate, but standard 4G still isn't completely commonplace yet.
Not sure if i should go after this or the note.
Good god there is going to be 30 different versions of the S4 before too long....
S4 rugged
S4 developer
S4 google
S4 lte advanced
S4 sugar daddy edition
S4 game of thrones edition
S4 pokemon edition
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But no 32gb Verizon edition
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Good god there is going to be 30 different versions of the S4 before too long....
S4 rugged
S4 developer
S4 google
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S4 sugar daddy edition
S4 game of thrones edition
S4 pokemon edition
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The GOT edition might be cool- if a 32GB version for Verizon
Samsung is being savvy with the S4 "LTE Advanced" edition, since that is an understatement in name. The Snap 800 is the newer fabrication process that runs cooler for cpu, gpu and the data radios. The Snap dual and 600 are the same fabrication and basic design family. The Snap 800 is the start of their new family. Seems deceiving calling it what they are. The Snap 600 to 800 is a bigger overall hardware jump than the Snap dual to the 600.
Perhaps S4 Big Kahuna, or S4 Mega are better and more relative names.
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Because that would conflict with Verizon backup assistance and their expensive cloud
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Lol these posts are getting old...there is always going to be something better a few months after you buy a phone...
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Lol these posts are getting old...there is always going to be something better a few months after you buy a phone...
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I must agree..I say it is an intentional ploy to get more of our money.
Yea if they actually do come out with another they are trying to get more of our money and its just outrageous that they would purposely do such a thing.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...ware-nexus-5x-and-6p-not-meeting-sales-goals/
- HTC is still in talks to build the next Nexus phone(s).
- Google takes a 15% cut of the sales price of Nexus phones it sells, but it hasn't always done this, and on some past devices has taken no cut at all.
- The "most recent" Nexus phones (5X, 6P) have not met their "optimistic" internal sales goals at Google.
- The Nexus 5 (2013) was the best-selling Nexus phone of all time.
- That the 5X and 6P aren't being sold by any US carriers is a point of "significant consternation" for people involved with the Nexus program.
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The 6P and 5X not reaching sales goals ? No ****, because they're not sold in Carrier stores this time. If the iPhone 7 is only sold on the Apple website for $700, no payment plan, you betcha ass sales will suck and be way down. If Google wants sales, they need to put it on all major carriers, BUT ALSO advertise the crap out of it like no tomorrow, and have promotions for it in the stores.
But just throwing it up on the Google website, and saying, her we have a phone we're selling, just give us $600 and it's yours. No **** Sherlock it's not selling well.
Plus in Europe the price was a joke. Too expensive. The only ones who buy a Nexus these days are Nexus fans. The N6P 32gb costs 650-700 euros in EU while the S6 32gb costs 400-450 and the G4 400. So no surprise here. Time to get serious with the Nexus line and stop ripping off geeks and Nexus fans.
Another kick in the balls is the major price drop that comes like 9 months later. Brand new the Nexus 6P is like $600 or so, and then in the spring watch it come down to like $399, and then late Summer will be like $299 brand new still.
I cant imagine carriers will be happy selling an Unlocked phone below the prices of other phones of the same caliber. Id also imagine carriers would want to mark up the phones some how. Also Id imagine other cell phone makers wouldnt be too happy. Imagine Samsung or LG putting their $650 phone out at verizon and then a $500 Nexus 6P shows up being financed through the carrier also. Probably the reason carriers had the Nexus 6 because it came out at the same price as other flagships. Plus carriers wanna put their bloat crap on the phones also.
It does seem google has actually advertised the 5x and 6p. Ive seen a lot of commercials for them. Cant say I ever saw a Nexus 6 commercial.
I think a big reason the sales also aren't up to snuff is the phones just now are being sold in Best Buy. A lot of customers want to hold the phone and see if they like it. Its taken forever for them to just get to best buy and they still don't have phones on display for customers to see. I think best buys having a dedicated nexus booth would help immensely.
Does Worst Buy I mean Best Buy actually have the 6P on display in the store ? My local Best Buy's around Chicago, have a very tiny little Google section off in the corner, and no phones, just the Chrome notebooks, not even the HTC 9 Tablet. So not sure what those Google sections in BB are for if they don't even carry or display the main Nexus devices ?
I agree with OP's opinion, people just DON'T KNOW about these Nexus phones.
There was an article recently stating that Google wants to take more direct control of the Nexus phones, and copy Apple and the iPhone.
Look at the iPhone, it's sold at all major phone carriers stores, with subsidized payments plans. And Apple updates the iPhone whenever the hell they need to, and NEVER let the carriers get in the way of an iOS update. The carriers are sort of agnostic to it.
Google can do the same thing with the Nexus phones just like Apple and the iPhone with complete direct control.
And Jordan used to say "Just do it"
Here in Canada, the Nexus 6p was the best deal on a phone through Telus. $200 for the 6p on a 2yr plan, but $300 or $400 for the Note 5. So it actually was discounted, and made the most sense.
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Here in Canada, the Nexus 6p was the best deal on a phone through Telus. $200 for the 6p on a 2yr plan, but $300 or $400 for the Note 5. So it actually was discounted, and made the most sense.
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or $0 for some of us on Black Friday
I was actually able to get a 6P because it was supplied by O2. Otherwise I wouldn't have got one, I like to have it part of my phone contract. Most people in the UK have phones on contract.
I'm happily with T-Mobile, and on their JoD ( Jump on Demand ) program, and expected the Nexus 6P would be available on T-Mobile of all carriers, because they have been the only carrier to support the Nexus phone line from the very beginning, selling the Nexus-One, and stocking and selling the Nexus-S, Nexus 4, Nexus 5, and Nexus 6.
For me it makes zero sense to spend $600 with Google to get the 6P, when on JoD program, so I just used my one of three upgrades on the Note 5, which I rooted and installed a great custom ROM, and this phone screams But I would prefer the Nexus 6P. But at this point, with the 6P being almost 5 months old, I'll just wait for a nice SD820 phone, like the G5 ( with CM13 ROM ) or something else.
It's no surprise that they aren't selling well - they're mediocre phones selling at premium prices. I lol at anyone who buys a nexus - and feel sorry for them too.
The (2013) Nexus 5 was $399 at launch, and had pretty much flagships high end spec's at the time, it was a super deal. Now the 5X comes out at a similar price but with lesser budget spec's. WTF Google ?
Sales, marketing, distribution, and support are intertwined. Any expectation Google has/had about 2015 sales would be determined by their investments in those things as well as the depth of each category.
Huawei has no U.S. support infrastructure and doesn’t even have the facility to offer owners paid non-warranty repairs. I’m sure that played in to the U.S. carrier’s decision not to offer the 6P. Folks that view Nexus as just another phone have to really want one to live with limited support or be forced in to buying a warranty for non-warranty repairs even if they don’t normally.
Without the U.S. carrier’s offering the phone where are mainstream consumers going to buy it? 67% of smartphones sold in the U.S. are on carrier post-paid plans (installment and contract). The majority of the rest are low-end prepaid smartphones purchased outright. The percentage of people buying their own $500+ high-end smartphones outright via third parties is probably in the single digit percentages; at least in the U.S. With limited distribution Google has to have known the consequences of the phones being offered via so few channels.
Google ran a bunch of nicely produced ads randomly on U.S. TV. They probably spent 1/100th of what Samsung spends on their own advertising and in co-ops with the carriers. What’s that supposed to do for sales of a phone only available online and at some Best Buys?
What problem does the 6P solve for the masses that don’t know (or care) about “pure” and regular updates? To the masses TW is Android based on Samsung’s market penetration so the absence of it and its features could be viewed as a deficit not a benefit. Nexus make XDA'rs wet, not so much the masses.
If the 6P isn’t selling well it isn’t because it’s a bad phone it’s that Google’s expectations weren’t realistic in the first place.
The only growth left in phones/tablets is to peel users from competitors. And there's only so much that can be done with UI/UX to set yourself apart. The OEM's have understood this for a while that's why they're making forays into wearables, virtual reality, and driverless cars. I say this because it makes it clear that if Google wants to increase sales of their Nexus line, they have 1 choice: lower the price. Two nexus devices released at the same time both priced too high is a recipe for disaster. There were basically no compelling upgrade reasons except for niche enthusiasts. Luckily for Google (Alphabet), they're an advertising company and not a hardware OEM. So as device sales slow across the board (even iPhone) they are better positioned than most
What are the flaws you find with the 6P as opposed to other premium Android phones?
Bad phone, mediocre phone, are you guys kidding? This is the best android phone. Period! But of course many people prefer pay more for a samsung or something!
Is too bad Google stopped the GPE program, would love to see GPE based phones like the S7, and G5 this Spring, those flagship phones running stock vanilla Android, directly supported by Google, and sold through carrier plans.
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It's no surprise that they aren't selling well - they're mediocre phones selling at premium prices. I lol at anyone who buys a nexus - and feel sorry for them too.
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So, do you actually own one? I didn't think so. If you had used a 6p you would not be saying it was a mediocre phone. It is actually, all in all, the best phone on the market for daily driver use right now. I am currently living in Paraguay, a country with bad overloaded cell phone networks, where most people who can afford smartphones are pretty much locked into Samsung by the carriers here. The radio in my 6p is SO much better than the weak Samsung radios. The battery lasts all day in conditions where I am constantly going in and out of signal areas. Just my point of view, but the problem with these phones is not the phones themselves, but Googles marketing. Of course, I am buying it for the phone and not the marketing...
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This is the best android phone. Period!
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It is actually, all in all, the best phone on the market for daily driver use right now.
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For a niche audience of hobbiests and purists. Even where Nexi were offered by major global carriers along side other premium phones, some more expensive, Nexus sales never came close to competitive phones sales wise if they made a dent at all. The things that push people's buttons on XDA don't represent the masses view. A billion smartphones were sold last year. There are 360K active XDA members over the last 30 days. As @crachel said, the smartphone phone market has matured and even those with recognized names and a loyal customer base are struggling. HTC, Sony, and LG all lost money in mobile last quarter.
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There were basically no compelling upgrade reasons except for niche enthusiasts.
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We have a winner.
In the warranty it describes the procedure for disputes and claims. Unless you request an opt out, YOU WAIVE ANY RIGHT TO A JURY TRIAL AS WELL AS PARTICIPATING IN ANY CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS. "Neither you, nor any customer, can be a class representative, class member, or otherwise participate in a class, consolidated, or representative proceeding without having completed the opt out requirements above."
Seriously you all, in light of all of the boot-loop issues, this is very important as if you do not opt out of this agreement then you will HAVE NO LEGAL STANDING IN A COURT OF LAW
So... what are the opt-out requirements?
But if you opt out you don't have a warranty?
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Opt Out. You may opt out of this dispute resolution procedure. If you opt out, neither you nor LG can require the other to participate in an arbitration proceeding. To opt out, you must send notice to LG no later than 30 calendar days from the date of the first consumer purchaser's purchase of the product by either: (i) sending an e-mail to [email protected], with the subject line: "Arbitration Opt Out" or (ii) calling 1-800-980-2973. You must include in the opt out e-mail or provide by telephone: (a) your name and address; (b) the date on which the product was purchased; (c) the product model name or model number; and (d) the IMEI or MEID or Serial Number, as applicable (the IMEI or MEID or Serial Number can be found (i) on the product box; (ii) on a label on the back of the product beneath the battery, if the battery is removable; or (iii) from the settings menu via the following path: Settings > General > About phone > Status). You may only opt out of the dispute resolution procedure in the manner described above (that is, by e-mail or telephone); no other form of notice will be effective to opt out of this dispute resolution procedure. Opting out of this dispute resolution procedure will not affect the coverage of the Limited Warranty in any way, and you will continue to enjoy the full benefits of the Limited Warranty. If you keep this product and do not opt out, then you accept all terms and conditions of the arbitration provision described above.
I'll admit it, worst case scenario I'll send them a few emails and ring them a dozen times. But I'm not going to court over a phone.
thewilkster said:
I'll admit it, worst case scenario I'll send them a few emails and ring them a dozen times. But I'm not going to court over a phone.
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I have to agree here as well.... This will be due to the G4 and G5 law suits people have been taking out against Lg in the last 12 month.. I bet its Samsung fanbois trying to kick LG to the curb because they know the S8 is just an S7 edge with a bezel-less screen.. and theyre upset
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I have to agree here as well.... This will be due to the G4 and G5 law suits people have been taking out against Lg in the last 12 month.. I bet its Samsung fanbois trying to kick LG to the curb because they know the S8 is just an S7 edge with a bezel-less screen.. and theyre upset
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:laugh: but oooh it has a curvy screen! It's a nice phone but I got too good of a deal on the G6 to turn it down. Plus I'm already seeing S8's everywhere.
Meh. If the phone goes kerflooey and I don't get treated right, I wouldn't mind arbitration at all. It's a pretty fair process.
Generally, those class action lawsuits tend to get tied up for years and years before the consumer sees any benefit, as the lawyers wring every last legal fee they possibly can.
Bought a 2013 Kia soul in 2012. Class action suit filed for mileage misstatement. Kia settled right up that year, and all the owners were to get 600 bucks. Then, it got held up over all kinds of issues, blah, blah... then last year, a totally new law firm filed an objection and extensive appeal to the fairness of the first settlement, and will now proceed to rake it for legal fees again for the next few years into the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Meantime, the folks who these lawyers say they are fighting for might get 25 more bucks at the end. Maybe.
Bought the car 5 years ago. Kia settled 4 years ago. Lawyers will milk that cow til 2020 or longer if they can. Same thing probably will happen with the bootloop stuff, where you'll get 60 dollars from LG in 2025.
I'd arbitrate any day over doing that, and go home with a new phone or a substantial credit on the next phone, etc., and be light years ahead.
Your mileage may vary
Cheers,
StevenRN