SUWON, South Korea (Reuters) - Samsung Electronics Co plans to sell a variation of its flagship Galaxy S4 smartphone that will transmit data at nearly twice the normal speed, the head of its mobile business said on Monday.
J.K. Shin, also co-chief executive of the world's biggest technology firm by revenue, said the phone would be sold in South Korea as early as this month.
Samsung was in talks with several overseas carriers to take the phone, Shin told Reuters in an interview at Samsung's headquarters in Suwon, just south of Seoul. He declined to name the carriers.
"We'll be the first with the commercial launch of the advanced 4G version of the smartphone," Shin said.
The new S4 will use LTE-Advanced 4G technology, an upgrade from conventional 4G called LTE, or long term evolution. LTE-Advanced offers data transmission at up to twice the normal 4G speed. The phones will be powered by Qualcomm chips.
A movie download that takes 3 minutes with conventional 4G would take slightly more than 1 minute, Samsung said.
Samsung's shares have lost almost $20 billion since June 7 after analysts cut forecasts for Galaxy S4 sales by as much as 30 percent on industry data that showed the high-end smartphone market was getting saturated.
The same problem is hitting sales of the iPhone 5, made by Samsung rival Apple Inc.
Samsung's market capitalization is still a hefty $195 billion. Its shares closed down 0.2 percent on Monday.
Shin showed little concern about sales prospects for the S4, which hit stores in late April. The mobile devices division is the company's biggest profit generator.
"S4 sales remain strong. It's selling far stronger than the (Galaxy) S III ... and the new LTE-Advanced (4G) phone will be another addition to our high-end segment offerings that ensure healthy profit margins," Shin said.
Shin declined to provide forecasts for S4 sales. He said the new S4 would be slightly more expensive than the current one.
The South Korean firm hopes the addition of hardware offerings such as faster data transmission, along with its widely anticipated move to introduce models with unbreakable or flexible displays, will help it protect margin growth.
"As operators seek to provide more data-centric mobile services, I think this will become mainstream 4G technology globally in the coming years," Shin said.
Shin also said sales of Samsung's tablet products in the U.S. market jumped 3.3 times since it installed brand shops within Best Buy's stores in April, and is now considering expanding the format in Latin America and Britain. Samsung declined to name potential retailers.
EYES ON NETWORK BUSINESS
Having conquered the smartphone market that Apple virtually created with the iconic iPhone in 2007, Samsung is seeking to do the same in the network business with the booming 4G mobile equipment market, challenging bigger rivals such as Ericsson, China's Huawei and Nokia Siemens Networks.
Many countries need to upgrade mobile base stations to handle not just 3G but also 4G, or build them from scratch to support 4G connections.
Shin said the network gear market was one of Samsung's fastest growing businesses, mainly thanks to 4G equipment sales which had been rising more than 30 percent a year since 2010.
The new phone would help this part of Samsung's business, he said.
"Such technology leadership will set the pace for the competition and help us become a major player in the network gear market," Shin said.
Samsung has won some 4G network deals from all major South Korean carriers, U.S. Sprint Nextel Corp and Japan's KDDI Corp and Hutchison Whampoa's British unit, but it needs to crack China to close the gap with traditional vendors in the overall gear equipment market.
Shin said there had not been much progress in Samsung's push to penetrate China's 4G equipment market yet, but it was increasing investment in the country.
China's three mobile operators - China Mobile, China Unicom and China Telecom - plan to spend a combined 345 billion yuan ($56.3 billion) this year on network upgrades. That includes investment in 4G, which multiplies mobile broadband speeds by up to five times for users of iPhone and Galaxy phones compared with 3G.
Many analysts believe Huawei and ZTE Corp - already big suppliers of China Mobile since only 10-15 percent of 3G network contracts went to foreign vendors - will be winners, leaving others to fight for smaller bits of the pie.
Samsung hopes to show Chinese clients that 4G networks with new technology can be built faster and with lower operating costs.
Not to hate, but standard 4G still isn't completely commonplace yet.
Not sure if i should go after this or the note.
Good god there is going to be 30 different versions of the S4 before too long....
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S4 sugar daddy edition
S4 game of thrones edition
S4 pokemon edition
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But no 32gb Verizon edition
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Good god there is going to be 30 different versions of the S4 before too long....
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The GOT edition might be cool- if a 32GB version for Verizon
Samsung is being savvy with the S4 "LTE Advanced" edition, since that is an understatement in name. The Snap 800 is the newer fabrication process that runs cooler for cpu, gpu and the data radios. The Snap dual and 600 are the same fabrication and basic design family. The Snap 800 is the start of their new family. Seems deceiving calling it what they are. The Snap 600 to 800 is a bigger overall hardware jump than the Snap dual to the 600.
Perhaps S4 Big Kahuna, or S4 Mega are better and more relative names.
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Because that would conflict with Verizon backup assistance and their expensive cloud
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Lol these posts are getting old...there is always going to be something better a few months after you buy a phone...
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Lol these posts are getting old...there is always going to be something better a few months after you buy a phone...
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I must agree..I say it is an intentional ploy to get more of our money.
Yea if they actually do come out with another they are trying to get more of our money and its just outrageous that they would purposely do such a thing.
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First off, I love my E3D! Is it just me or is anyone else concerned that Sprint is not marketing this phone very good at all. I've seen the lame ping pong commercial and a NASCAR commercial for a contest. Is this truly the flagship phone for Sprint? I am still seeing EVO 4G commercials! Why are they not pumping this thing up? C'mon Sprint...convince me I have the best device on the Now Network! I know I do, but I want to hear it from you!!
Its because they are prepping for the Motorola and Samsung phones coming out. I think they are having commitment issues with the EVO. I love it tho
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There is the possibility that the apple vs htc case is involved somehow. I'm not sure though.
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I know..they should be pumping out commercials with specs..How bout mentioning the qhd display or the blazing fast 1.2ghz dual cores..first and best for sprint..they have a ****ty advertising dept thats for sure!!
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No on all of the above. There is no flagship phone coming out on any network including the Iphone 5 (what happened to the A5) anytime soon. The battle is not on selling the hardware, It's marketing price plans specifically data. Verizon just capped their plans, ATT did it as well, they are buying T-mobile or trying too. Sprint's stock won't get a boost from the EVO 3d, nor Motorola, Nor Samsung, maybe a little from Apple. But that is it. Not that Sprint is saying the phone sucks, but dual cores will be everywhere soon. (Buy Qualcomm) This is not a flagship like the EVO 4G or the Iphone was for Apple. Without a quad core 4 ghz 128 gb sd card qhd 2156x1080 auto stereoscopic (which the 4g was in its debut as far as innovation) no carrier has anything groundbreaking. They are selling plans, which is their competitive edge. And unless you own stock, and I do, what do you care about the commercials?
3d is said to be releasing on T-mo later this year. So its not really exclusive to Sprint therefore lack of advertising
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No on all of the above. There is no flagship phone coming out on any network including the Iphone 5 (what happened to the A5) anytime soon. The battle is not on selling the hardware, It's marketing price plans specifically data. Verizon just capped their plans, ATT did it as well, they are buying T-mobile or trying too. Sprint's stock won't get a boost from the EVO 3d, nor Motorola, Nor Samsung, maybe a little from Apple. But that is it. Not that Sprint is saying the phone sucks, but dual cores will be everywhere soon. (Buy Qualcomm) This is not a flagship like the EVO 4G or the Iphone was for Apple. Without a quad core 4 ghz 128 gb sd card qhd 2156x1080 auto stereoscopic (which the 4g was in its debut as far as innovation) no carrier has anything groundbreaking. They are selling plans, which is their competitive edge. And unless you own stock, and I do, what do you care about the commercials?
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I suppose you are right, it's more about plans now. As far as stock..I don't own shares but I believe my years of service with Sprint does give me a little room here to voice my concerns. And when I saw more commercials today for the OG 4G it just kinda bothered me, but you're right and I didn't think about that...it's about the plan more than the phone.
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There is the possibility that the apple vs htc case is involved somehow. I'm not sure though.
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Oh wow this has nothing to do with it the damn phone been our for a good 3 weeks now and that no import sue just happened last week,
Now back to topic.well that's how sprint is, the do no how to advertise sometines, they do pay a lot of money tho , the EVO 3 D commercial were everywhere for the grand opening of harry potter movie ok Thursday night, unlike Verizon sprint doesn't know how to advertise some products, the new commercial about data caps is the best so far, and don't worry the phone is selling good so there will be good future for it
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
Re read my post and apologize to Apollo and others for coming across as an ahole. Marketing is tricky... A dual core 1.2 doesn't mean anything to most. Show them settings/applications/manage/all and scroll it... They will get it then. Qhd? A commercial would be displaying video of a video and losing the 3d and resolution, compressed or stretched to fit = "simulation" in fine print in an add.
Way more than 10 chars. Sorry
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Just saw an ad for the Evo 3D during American Dad on Fox.
I haven't seen much ads either.
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Re read my post and apologize to Apollo and others for coming across as an ahole. Marketing is tricky... A dual core 1.2 doesn't mean anything to most. Show them settings/applications/manage/all and scroll it... They will get it then. Qhd? A commercial would be displaying video of a video and losing the 3d and resolution, compressed or stretched to fit = "simulation" in fine print in an add.
Way more than 10 chars. Sorry
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Thanks Randy, no worries! You are absolutely correct though...very tricky, especially for this phone! They'll figure something out as I believe this is the Flagship phone...they threw a big party for its release like they did for the EVO 4G. From a shareholders perspective how do you think the whole t-mobile att deal will affect Sprint?
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As far as that is concerned, that is a slippery slope. Short-term Sprint could benefit from defectors refusing to sign with ATT. 99% done deal that Sprint will be getting Iphone 5. That is another enticement for T-Mobile customers to be swayed to Sprint. Long term who knows... Sprint could end up being bought by someone. Verizon is the popular name because of the shared CDMA platform. I personally don't think that matters. There were rumors a year ago that Google would might dive in, they certainly have the cash but that isn't their arena. They use other companies hardware and airwaves to grow product. Google voice, any and all isp's... etc. All I know is Dan Hesse (sprint CEO) Is launching a war to prevent it. And he's driven the stock price up 25% this past ytd. Stock hit $6 earlier this summer. He's doing something right.
BTW Sprint is launching a $3 million EVO3D Sprint Nascar giveaway ad campaign.
Carl Edwards was on SportsCenter talking about it.
Also the adds will continue to roll out, My guess is Sprint wanted the phone to circulate for a month or so to work out the bugs... get out the firmware updates before going with the "full court press". They don't need a ****load of new customers with EVO3D problems that don't know how to figure out fixes while the phone is in its infancy. Have a great day
A lot depends on the advertising medium as to which phone they'll promote. The 3D, despite its good hardware, is a nitch phone. Not many business users will be tempted. Cutting edge users will be.
On the other hand, I bet you'll see lot of promotion in business media for the Photon. With an equal emphasis on their "truly unlimited".
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just like title states. it was revealed the tf-700 with LTE data connection will likely only be a Europe only version. unless picked up by a carrier here in the states. Asus might not want to deal with carrier headaches here in U.S. for a tablet. so for now, its a Europe only version. meaning only wifi version of TF-700 with Tegra3 chipset will be available in the U.S. make sure to watch the video. He states in video also this version may never see the light of day in U.S. and states reason why. if there is a slight chance it would come, At&T would be only carrier which could push it. seemed like that S4 version seemed a little laggy compared to tegra3 version when he was swiping home screen. or seemed slowly than mines at least. it looks nice though.
www.androidpolice.com/2012/02/27/mw...infinity-tf700kg-hey-look-an-antenna-window/;)
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just like title states. it was revealed the tf-700 with LTE data connection will likely only be a Europe only version. unless picked up by a carrier here in the states. Asus might not want to deal with carrier headaches here in U.S. for a tablet. so for now, its a Europe only version. meaning only wifi version of TF-700 with Tegra3 chipset will be available in the U.S. make sure to watch the video. He states in video also this version may never see the light of day in U.S. and states reason why. if there is a slight chance it would come, At&T would be only carrier which could push it. seemed like that S4 version seemed a little laggy compared to tegra3 version when he was swiping home screen. or seemed slowly than mines at least. it looks nice though.
www.androidpolice.com/2012/02/27/mw...infinity-tf700kg-hey-look-an-antenna-window/;)
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Thanks for the video. I like how he mentioned the antenna window and said GPS should work. On a side note, I'd rather have Tegra 3.
Why you prefer Tegra 3?
"GPS should work, fingers crossed"
I'm really excited to see if this one has less problems than the prime. Or how customers will react to it. I don't really have problems with my prime but people will always find something to nag about
Correct me if I'm wrong but LTE isnt even available yet in the uk.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but LTE isnt even available yet in the uk.
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Orange/T-Mobile (Everything Everywhere is just a stupid name so I refuse to use it) will be deploying LTE in limited quantities in certain parts of the UK this year. As for the others, the spectrum auctions will be held this year, so hopefully we'll have service by Xmas or early next year. They'll probably start deployment on the 2.6Ghz band first as there are some interference issues with digital TV that need to be resolved on the 800Mhz band. In any case, I want to buy a tablet that is future-proof, and this will do nicely on HSPA+ until then.
As for the US, the issue there is that carriers (unlike here) don't discount their plans at all even if you choose to go SIM-only. This means customers always go for a carrier-subsidized device, which gives them the opportunity to change specs and load up the device with their own crappy bloatware as they see fit. Unlike Samsung, Asus seem to have little appetite for the US market's BS.
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why would he want something slower and showing lag?
So it really wouldn't make sense for the tf700 lte version to launch in the uk until it is more widely available
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So it really wouldn't make sense for the tf700 lte version to launch in the uk until it is more widely available
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Agreed.
But seeing how the launch of the TF201 went it wouldn't surprise me one bit if ASUS were foolish enough to only release this where LTE is not even widely available (and isn't going to be for quite some time).
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By who? A U.S. reporter playing with it on a crowded trade show floor in Spain?
unless picked up by a carrier here in the states. Asus might not want to deal with carrier headaches here in U.S. for a tablet.
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Headaches? If VZW or AT&T pick it up the only headache will be hundreds of thousands of additional sales. Even Acer sells a HSPA+ device on AT&T. The only reason Asus hasn't is because none of their devices allowed them to work with a U.S. carrier before. Can you imagine how popular the Infinity would be with the corporate market with the keyboard dock? Like the value-priced TF300 this is actually one of Asus' better strategies.
He states in video also this version may never see the light of day in U.S. and states reason why.
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Again, "he" is a U.S. reporter speculating. Anything he's "stating" is his guess. If they only planned to sell it unlocked (no carrier support) it would have been HSPA+. Even the retail-only versions of Samsung's newly announced tablets aren't LTE and they've already sold millions of Qualcomm LTE tablets through the carriers.
Based on this article, where do you think a manufacturer with an LTE-chipped device would intend to sell it in 2012?
US Dominant as Global 4G LTE Leader
Sherin Matthew on October 14, 2011
According to a newly released report form Pyramid Research, the United States now accounts for the largest number of 4G LTE subscriptions in the world for this year. There have been twenty- six global major carriers that have launched LTE networks, but only three of them account for 47% of LTE connections in 2011. All of them are US carriers- Verizon Wireless, Metro PCS and AT&T. Industry analysts have estimated that US carriers will be responsible for about half the global LTE subscriptions this year, around 7 million of the 14.9 million subscribers will be associated with one of the 3 major networks.
Verizon Wireless’ rapid deployment of its LTE network is a major reason of US dominance in the LTE market. Verizon first launched its 4G LTE network on December 5th, 2010 and the company announced this Tuesday that it would offer LTE coverage to an aggregate total of 178 US cities by November 17th of this year. This encompassing coverage of the US with LTE service accounts for the majority of American LTE subscribers.
Pyramid also says that US sales of handheld devices embedded with LTE radios should surpass 5.4 million units in 2011- making up 71% of LTE devices that are sold globally. Strong demand in the US for mobile broadband services coupled with emerging companies like Clearwire and Sprint offering LTE service in 2012 should swell the number of US and global subscribers to LTE , further strengthening the US’ position as the global leader in LTE subscriptions.
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Mostly for gaming. I've owned several powerful Sammy non-Tegra GT's. Have you ever played a Tegra optimized game on a non-Tegra device?
It's lag city, even at 8.9". Tegra 3 is definitely the way to go outside of Dual A15 SoC's.
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By who? A U.S. reporter playing with it on a crowded trade show floor in Spain?
Headaches? If VZW or AT&T pick it up the only headache will be hundreds of thousands of additional sales. Even Acer sells a HSPA+ device on AT&T. The only reason Asus hasn't is because none of their devices allowed them to work with a U.S. carrier before. Can you imagine how popular the Infinity would be with the corporate market with the keyboard dock? Like the value-priced TF300 this is actually one of Asus' better strategies.
Again, "he" is a U.S. reporter speculating. Anything he's "stating" is his guess. If they only planned to sell it unlocked (no carrier support) it would have been HSPA+. Even the retail-only versions of Samsung's newly announced tablets aren't LTE and they've already sold millions of Qualcomm LTE tablets through the carriers.
Based on this article, where do you think a manufacturer with an LTE-chipped device would intend to sell it in 2012?
US Dominant as Global 4G LTE Leader
Sherin Matthew on October 14, 2011
According to a newly released report form Pyramid Research, the United States now accounts for the largest number of 4G LTE subscriptions in the world for this year. There have been twenty- six global major carriers that have launched LTE networks, but only three of them account for 47% of LTE connections in 2011. All of them are US carriers- Verizon Wireless, Metro PCS and AT&T. Industry analysts have estimated that US carriers will be responsible for about half the global LTE subscriptions this year, around 7 million of the 14.9 million subscribers will be associated with one of the 3 major networks.
Verizon Wireless’ rapid deployment of its LTE network is a major reason of US dominance in the LTE market. Verizon first launched its 4G LTE network on December 5th, 2010 and the company announced this Tuesday that it would offer LTE coverage to an aggregate total of 178 US cities by November 17th of this year. This encompassing coverage of the US with LTE service accounts for the majority of American LTE subscribers.
Pyramid also says that US sales of handheld devices embedded with LTE radios should surpass 5.4 million units in 2011- making up 71% of LTE devices that are sold globally. Strong demand in the US for mobile broadband services coupled with emerging companies like Clearwire and Sprint offering LTE service in 2012 should swell the number of US and global subscribers to LTE , further strengthening the US’ position as the global leader in LTE subscriptions.
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going off of stuff said in video. not my own made up assumptions or scenarios like you are. so until proof is shown otherwise to disapprove what video says, then the video stands. enough rumor and speculation as it is. person in video more reliable source than someone who never seen or even touched device. I thought it was odd also but that's what they said. we will see. plus seen that same statement said on other sites but didn't bother linking them. nice try buddy. you get an A for effort though
plus I'm not here to get into yet another debate/useless flame war. one good thread already got shut down last night from silliness and unnecessary arguments. we will just see what pans out. what I stated was from the video itself. not anything made up or assumed. get a grip, I think you love trying to disapprove people or throw wild spins on something. take a chill pill. not that serious buddy. maybe it was just your delivery of your post that's off.
Wouldnt really care much for the 3g/4g LTE version cause I wouldnt want to pay an extra data plan which my phone already has. Plus with tethering I see no point, unless you dont have a phone with a data plan. But if the other posters are correct, either Asus is not doing their studies or the person in the video was fed or feeding some wrong data or assumptions.
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going off of stuff said in video. not my own made up assumptions or scenarios like you are. so until proof is shown otherwise to disapprove what video says, then the video stands.
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So you think what a non-Asus spokesperson that just happens to be standing in their booth says isn't "made up assumption?" When a real Asus spokesperson said the TF700 had better wireless than the Prime at CES via a video you chose not to believe it. If that video wasn’t believable, why is this one?
Let's face it, you'd be happiest if Asus never built or sold another tablet than the Prime in the U.S. and you look for anything you can find that supports that point. I posted some supporting material that logically differs from what's casually referenced in the video for people to have another opinion to consider. Not everything is meant to be a personal attack against you or the Prime.
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So you think what a non-Asus spokesperson that just happens to be standing in their booth says isn't "made up assumption?" When a real Asus spokesperson said the TF700 had better wireless than the Prime at CES via a video you chose not to believe it. If that video wasn’t believable, why is this one?
Let's face it, you'd be happiest if Asus never built or sold another tablet than the Prime in the U.S. and you look for anything you can find that supports that point. I posted some supporting material that logically differs from what's casually referenced in the video for people to have another opinion to consider. Not everything is meant to be a personal attack against you or the Prime.
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After yesterday's fun, hopefully we can all look to the future of Asus tablets with a positive reception. Tablets are getting better by the week. Like it or not. It is ridiculous to think that current tablets are going to reign supreme for years to come.
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Because Qualcomm chips are almost always laggy and slower than Exynos, Tegra, or other chipsets
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I thought this article was interesting, but there's no mention of the possibility that people don't buy Motorola phones because of the software. Could you imagine if Dell released a beautiful sleek and light PC, with impressive specs and solid hardware, but it was locked down to running only Windows 98? Because that is effectively what Motorola is doing, and I think, in large part is why they are struggling.
comScore’s August market share report showed Android gaining ground among US mobile subscribers at a healthy clip. In the three months ending in August, Android share among US smartphones ticked up to 52.9% from 50.9% in the period ending in May. But yet again, Motorola’s share slipped — down to 11.2% from 12% in the spring period.
This is not a new trend — but it is particularly puzzling considering that the iPhone 4S faded during the summer and Motorola had launched some well-reviewed, technologically impressive models that ramped up to full volume production over the summer. The DROID RAZR MAXX may be a crime against English language, but it was also a commanding summer blockbuster for Verizon. As a matter of fact, it may still be outselling Samsung (005930) Galaxy S III at Verizon (VZ) during October. The new RAZR MAXX M also looks like a solid success. Motorola has been extremely effective at eclipsing HTC in the Verizon mid-range and high-end portfolio.
But that’s the thing. While Motorola’s Verizon traction is impressive, the brand is astoundingly weak at Sprint (S) and AT&T (T), where it used to be a staple. Motorola’s decision to hand Verizon its most impressive flagship phones cemented its position with the Big Red. At the same time, the second-string models for other carriers are fizzling badly. The Atrix series never really recovered from its 2011 stumbles and is doing merely OK at AT&T. The QWERTY models Photon Q and Admiral are disasters at Sprint.
This is really odd, because Motorola has a deep history with QWERTY devices and had a couple of substantial hits in this category a few years back. Now the QWERTY leader RIM is collapsing in America and another niche rival, LG, is also stumbling badly. But the Motorola Admiral is getting beaten by weak-as-kitten rivals like Pantech and Blackberry Torch. This is remarkable – particularly since Motorola has decent QWERTY traction in some emerging markets like Brazil.
It is rare to see a brand doing so well with its flagship phone while foundering this badly with the rest of its slate. Motorola has essentially been in this jam for two years. But the danger it poses to the vendor is becoming acute as Samsung sucks up more and more of the oxygen in the mid-range Android market. 2012 was the year when Motorola really should have been able to capitalize on RIM’s implosion in North America. Instead, Motorola’s QWERTY model slate actually looks weaker than it was in 2009.
Motorola needs to rethink its AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile strategies right now — or the threat of Samsung, LG, Huawei, ZTE and Pantech simply shoving it aside will become acute in 2013. And T-Mobile’s acquisition of MetroPCS will not make things easier for Moto; the pre-paid specialist has particularly strong relationships with the Chinese challenger brands.
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I agree that software plays a role. But, I think that the more important reason is that the hardware just is not sexy enough. Motorola's hardware is not up to the spec monsters that consumers come to expect.
However, the same may be said of Samsung. Historically, Samsung has had a strong showing with its flagship phone, whether it be the SII or the newer SIII, and the Note.
Were Motorola were to invest in developing sexier hardware--I am not a fan of the cut-off corner look of the droid line--I think it would be a real contender. Consumers expect large, bright screens in an obnoxiously flat form factor. Samsung has surpassed Motorola on this front.
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Would it make you mad?
I think that it's for a S4 like phone that's set to launch in Europe. Reason being they did the same thing with the note 2 and galaxy mega. However contrary to this point the mega had much lower specs than the Note 2.
Given that it's an S4 that still retails for 200$ I'm convinced that Samsung did this in the interest of sales.
This might be an S4 variant that retails for 300$+ under a different name.
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It's real, but only being released in South Korea, so no one anywhere else should worry. This is because of the LTE-Advanced capabilities which currently only exist in South Korea
Real or vaporwear, I wouldn't worry about it. us Verizon folks will never see it on our network.
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Real or vaporwear, I wouldn't worry about it. us Verizon folks will never see it on our network.
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Probably the most accurate perspective, considering Verizon is in milking mode strategy with a mid device level offering and 16gb only option for the S4. Such a device would compromise their strategy. Other carriers probably will offer it in the US, just like 32gb S4 and the recent LG Pro.
The new 800 is not just a new LTE radio only, but the same radio versatility of the 600 with better fabrication process and much faster performance. We will not notice an LTE difference, but will notice "cooler" running 4g and much faster device performance.
pretty depressing that we won't ever see the 32gb s4
There is still a sliver of chance in late July, but by then we might hear more about 800 devices. HTC, LG and Samsung have already mentioned they will have devices with the chipset by Q4.
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Probably the most accurate perspective, considering Verizon is in milking mode strategy with a mid device level offering and 16gb only option for the S4. Such a device would compromise their strategy. Other carriers probably will offer it in the US, just like 32gb S4 and the recent LG Pro.
The new 800 is not just a new LTE radio only, but the same radio versatility of the 600 with better fabrication process and much faster performance. We will not notice an LTE difference, but will notice "cooler" running 4g and much faster device performance.
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I'm not surprised if Verizon is going with the "milking mode", but I feel Verizon's device strategy to be archaic.
It almost seem like Verizon is afraid that the customers will get confused if there are 2 equally good devices out at the same time. Perhaps this is why we don't have the HTC One yet.
Back when I was on T-Mobile, I would buy, then sell phones every few month. Simply because there are a ton of great phones to choose from. Now on Verizon, I change phones like once a year, not because I can't afford it, but because there's simply a lack of pones to choose from. Although, it all works out, since I need the money to pay the huge phone bill!
Unless there are massive power savings, i am not horribly bothered (got mine Sunday). The 600 is more than blowing me away with its power compared to my rezound.
Lets face it, when it comes to technology, there is ALWAYS something better right on the horizon. We face this every day, be it with phones, tvs, or computers. If you enjoy what you have, and it does what you need, i wouldn't dwell too much on what you might be "missing out" on..
True dat.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...ware-nexus-5x-and-6p-not-meeting-sales-goals/
- HTC is still in talks to build the next Nexus phone(s).
- Google takes a 15% cut of the sales price of Nexus phones it sells, but it hasn't always done this, and on some past devices has taken no cut at all.
- The "most recent" Nexus phones (5X, 6P) have not met their "optimistic" internal sales goals at Google.
- The Nexus 5 (2013) was the best-selling Nexus phone of all time.
- That the 5X and 6P aren't being sold by any US carriers is a point of "significant consternation" for people involved with the Nexus program.
My opinion
The 6P and 5X not reaching sales goals ? No ****, because they're not sold in Carrier stores this time. If the iPhone 7 is only sold on the Apple website for $700, no payment plan, you betcha ass sales will suck and be way down. If Google wants sales, they need to put it on all major carriers, BUT ALSO advertise the crap out of it like no tomorrow, and have promotions for it in the stores.
But just throwing it up on the Google website, and saying, her we have a phone we're selling, just give us $600 and it's yours. No **** Sherlock it's not selling well.
Plus in Europe the price was a joke. Too expensive. The only ones who buy a Nexus these days are Nexus fans. The N6P 32gb costs 650-700 euros in EU while the S6 32gb costs 400-450 and the G4 400. So no surprise here. Time to get serious with the Nexus line and stop ripping off geeks and Nexus fans.
Another kick in the balls is the major price drop that comes like 9 months later. Brand new the Nexus 6P is like $600 or so, and then in the spring watch it come down to like $399, and then late Summer will be like $299 brand new still.
I cant imagine carriers will be happy selling an Unlocked phone below the prices of other phones of the same caliber. Id also imagine carriers would want to mark up the phones some how. Also Id imagine other cell phone makers wouldnt be too happy. Imagine Samsung or LG putting their $650 phone out at verizon and then a $500 Nexus 6P shows up being financed through the carrier also. Probably the reason carriers had the Nexus 6 because it came out at the same price as other flagships. Plus carriers wanna put their bloat crap on the phones also.
It does seem google has actually advertised the 5x and 6p. Ive seen a lot of commercials for them. Cant say I ever saw a Nexus 6 commercial.
I think a big reason the sales also aren't up to snuff is the phones just now are being sold in Best Buy. A lot of customers want to hold the phone and see if they like it. Its taken forever for them to just get to best buy and they still don't have phones on display for customers to see. I think best buys having a dedicated nexus booth would help immensely.
Does Worst Buy I mean Best Buy actually have the 6P on display in the store ? My local Best Buy's around Chicago, have a very tiny little Google section off in the corner, and no phones, just the Chrome notebooks, not even the HTC 9 Tablet. So not sure what those Google sections in BB are for if they don't even carry or display the main Nexus devices ?
I agree with OP's opinion, people just DON'T KNOW about these Nexus phones.
There was an article recently stating that Google wants to take more direct control of the Nexus phones, and copy Apple and the iPhone.
Look at the iPhone, it's sold at all major phone carriers stores, with subsidized payments plans. And Apple updates the iPhone whenever the hell they need to, and NEVER let the carriers get in the way of an iOS update. The carriers are sort of agnostic to it.
Google can do the same thing with the Nexus phones just like Apple and the iPhone with complete direct control.
And Jordan used to say "Just do it"
Here in Canada, the Nexus 6p was the best deal on a phone through Telus. $200 for the 6p on a 2yr plan, but $300 or $400 for the Note 5. So it actually was discounted, and made the most sense.
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Here in Canada, the Nexus 6p was the best deal on a phone through Telus. $200 for the 6p on a 2yr plan, but $300 or $400 for the Note 5. So it actually was discounted, and made the most sense.
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or $0 for some of us on Black Friday
I was actually able to get a 6P because it was supplied by O2. Otherwise I wouldn't have got one, I like to have it part of my phone contract. Most people in the UK have phones on contract.
I'm happily with T-Mobile, and on their JoD ( Jump on Demand ) program, and expected the Nexus 6P would be available on T-Mobile of all carriers, because they have been the only carrier to support the Nexus phone line from the very beginning, selling the Nexus-One, and stocking and selling the Nexus-S, Nexus 4, Nexus 5, and Nexus 6.
For me it makes zero sense to spend $600 with Google to get the 6P, when on JoD program, so I just used my one of three upgrades on the Note 5, which I rooted and installed a great custom ROM, and this phone screams But I would prefer the Nexus 6P. But at this point, with the 6P being almost 5 months old, I'll just wait for a nice SD820 phone, like the G5 ( with CM13 ROM ) or something else.
It's no surprise that they aren't selling well - they're mediocre phones selling at premium prices. I lol at anyone who buys a nexus - and feel sorry for them too.
The (2013) Nexus 5 was $399 at launch, and had pretty much flagships high end spec's at the time, it was a super deal. Now the 5X comes out at a similar price but with lesser budget spec's. WTF Google ?
Sales, marketing, distribution, and support are intertwined. Any expectation Google has/had about 2015 sales would be determined by their investments in those things as well as the depth of each category.
Huawei has no U.S. support infrastructure and doesn’t even have the facility to offer owners paid non-warranty repairs. I’m sure that played in to the U.S. carrier’s decision not to offer the 6P. Folks that view Nexus as just another phone have to really want one to live with limited support or be forced in to buying a warranty for non-warranty repairs even if they don’t normally.
Without the U.S. carrier’s offering the phone where are mainstream consumers going to buy it? 67% of smartphones sold in the U.S. are on carrier post-paid plans (installment and contract). The majority of the rest are low-end prepaid smartphones purchased outright. The percentage of people buying their own $500+ high-end smartphones outright via third parties is probably in the single digit percentages; at least in the U.S. With limited distribution Google has to have known the consequences of the phones being offered via so few channels.
Google ran a bunch of nicely produced ads randomly on U.S. TV. They probably spent 1/100th of what Samsung spends on their own advertising and in co-ops with the carriers. What’s that supposed to do for sales of a phone only available online and at some Best Buys?
What problem does the 6P solve for the masses that don’t know (or care) about “pure” and regular updates? To the masses TW is Android based on Samsung’s market penetration so the absence of it and its features could be viewed as a deficit not a benefit. Nexus make XDA'rs wet, not so much the masses.
If the 6P isn’t selling well it isn’t because it’s a bad phone it’s that Google’s expectations weren’t realistic in the first place.
The only growth left in phones/tablets is to peel users from competitors. And there's only so much that can be done with UI/UX to set yourself apart. The OEM's have understood this for a while that's why they're making forays into wearables, virtual reality, and driverless cars. I say this because it makes it clear that if Google wants to increase sales of their Nexus line, they have 1 choice: lower the price. Two nexus devices released at the same time both priced too high is a recipe for disaster. There were basically no compelling upgrade reasons except for niche enthusiasts. Luckily for Google (Alphabet), they're an advertising company and not a hardware OEM. So as device sales slow across the board (even iPhone) they are better positioned than most
What are the flaws you find with the 6P as opposed to other premium Android phones?
Bad phone, mediocre phone, are you guys kidding? This is the best android phone. Period! But of course many people prefer pay more for a samsung or something!
Is too bad Google stopped the GPE program, would love to see GPE based phones like the S7, and G5 this Spring, those flagship phones running stock vanilla Android, directly supported by Google, and sold through carrier plans.
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It's no surprise that they aren't selling well - they're mediocre phones selling at premium prices. I lol at anyone who buys a nexus - and feel sorry for them too.
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So, do you actually own one? I didn't think so. If you had used a 6p you would not be saying it was a mediocre phone. It is actually, all in all, the best phone on the market for daily driver use right now. I am currently living in Paraguay, a country with bad overloaded cell phone networks, where most people who can afford smartphones are pretty much locked into Samsung by the carriers here. The radio in my 6p is SO much better than the weak Samsung radios. The battery lasts all day in conditions where I am constantly going in and out of signal areas. Just my point of view, but the problem with these phones is not the phones themselves, but Googles marketing. Of course, I am buying it for the phone and not the marketing...
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This is the best android phone. Period!
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It is actually, all in all, the best phone on the market for daily driver use right now.
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For a niche audience of hobbiests and purists. Even where Nexi were offered by major global carriers along side other premium phones, some more expensive, Nexus sales never came close to competitive phones sales wise if they made a dent at all. The things that push people's buttons on XDA don't represent the masses view. A billion smartphones were sold last year. There are 360K active XDA members over the last 30 days. As @crachel said, the smartphone phone market has matured and even those with recognized names and a loyal customer base are struggling. HTC, Sony, and LG all lost money in mobile last quarter.
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There were basically no compelling upgrade reasons except for niche enthusiasts.
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We have a winner.