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I'm guessing it has something to do with them wanting to push the HTC phablet or having some sort of deal with HTC.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/6/3...s-invite-us-to-see-their-latest-collaboration
I think they want to release both phones at the same time. This is out of no where, but..... here's their motto for Christmas... "Large and in charge.."
Am I right?
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I'm guessing it has something to do with them wanting to push the HTC phablet or having some sort of deal with HTC.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/6/3...s-invite-us-to-see-their-latest-collaboration
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This could be true.
Speculation:
It seems that Verizon is punishing Samsung (and us) for not letting them have their way with the GSIII. In attempt to appease the people that really wanted the Note 2, Verizon threw us a bone by giving us the pre-order. While that is going on, Verizon stalled to let the DNA run through the FCC and get a little exclusive time on the shelves. This pushes average Joe to purchase the only [good] phablet on Verizon at the moment. After the DNA's exclusivity, then they will let Samsung sell its phone.
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I am assuming the DNA does actually get on the shelf before the GN2.
Yeah, a lot of assumptions. Also, keep in mind Verizon really loves crapping on HTC way more than on Samsung, so there's that.
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Yeah, a lot of assumptions. Also, keep in mind Verizon really loves crapping on HTC way more than on Samsung, so there's that.
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Curiosity, was there something in specific you were thinking of?
I honestly thing that Verizon dislikes(?) all manufacturers equally. I just believe that HTC is not in a position to resist the demands of Verizon. Look at HTC's earnings and tell me that they can afford to not bow down to the carriers demands. If it turns out there was a deal to shelf the GN2 until after the DNA, then it looks to me like Verizon is punishing Samsung and giving HTC a treat for being a good little doggy.
I saw this on Droid life, too
I also find it funny that this phone only has on VZW logo on it on the front, and not on the back. I guess they only brand the crap out of stuff that is available on all carriers, which does make sense from a deluded, out-of-touch, business marketing stand point.
Still though, I hate the fact that they are obviously trying to push their 'exclusive' device, mostly because of even money invested or because of a higher profitability making everyone else suffer.
They also have multiwindow ROM that should be released soon - making the wait for VZW seem even more ridiculous. Locked bootloader, branded home button, and a release date of almost 1 month later than the last company to release the phone.
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Curiosity, was there something in specific you were thinking of?
I honestly thing that Verizon dislikes(?) all manufacturers equally. I just believe that HTC is not in a position to resist the demands of Verizon. Look at HTC's earnings and tell me that they can afford to not bow down to the carriers demands. If it turns out there was a deal to shelf the GN2 until after the DNA, then it looks to me like Verizon is punishing Samsung and giving HTC a treat for being a good little doggy.
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Just felt that way traditionally, and probably as you said is mostly due to HTC's inability to really resist their demands. Was disappointed this year when HTC tried to simplify their lineup and got forced to make more carrier branded devices for Verizon. Mostly my feeling that HTC gets pushed around by Verizon too much goes back to wanting a Nexus One back in the day, and having it get delayed on Verizon then never released with HTC getting forced to retool it as the Incredible instead.
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Just felt that way traditionally, and probably as you said is mostly due to HTC's inability to really resist their demands. Was disappointed this year when HTC tried to simplify their lineup and got forced to make more carrier branded devices for Verizon. Mostly my feeling that HTC gets pushed around by Verizon too much goes back to wanting a Nexus One back in the day, and having it get delayed on Verizon then never released with HTC getting forced to retool it as the Incredible instead.
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So that is what happened to Verizon's Nexus... I would also like to point out that even Sprint even made HTC brand their One X as the Evo LTE. Personally I wish carriers would but out on the phone marketing and spend the money on beefing the networks. Or, get this, stop charging us an arm and a leg. Anyway, if Verizon choose to hold back the GN2, then I stand by my speculations.
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This could be true.
Speculation:
It seems that Verizon is punishing Samsung (and us) for not letting them have their way with the GSIII. In attempt to appease the people that really wanted the Note 2, Verizon threw us a bone by giving us the pre-order. While that is going on, Verizon stalled to let the DNA run through the FCC and get a little exclusive time on the shelves. This pushes average Joe to purchase the only [good] phablet on Verizon at the moment. After the DNA's exclusivity, then they will let Samsung sell its phone.
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I don't think Verizon is "punishing" Samsung for anything. There's a far more obvious, and business-oriented answer. When it comes to Android devices, Verizon likes to advertise their Droid line over non-Droid branded devices. With the Note 2, like the Galaxy S III, the device isn't a part of the Droid line, and more importantly it's not a Verizon exclusive. The Note 2, like the S III, is available (or will be available) on all major U.S. carriers. Verizon would rather market exclusive devices, because by marketing those, they're also marketing the fact that you have to be a Verizon customer. The same doesn't hold true if they heavily advertise or put a lot of emphasis behind devices that are available on every carrier.
So, is Verizon holding back the Note 2's release because of the DNA? That's very likely a part of it. But it's not because they're trying to punish anyone. They want to give their exclusive devices most of the exposure, along with a head start, because if someone wants of those, they have to be on Verizon. It just makes more business sense to put an emphasis on exclusive devices when it comes to marketing and release, especially when Samsung is already doing more marketing for the Note 2 than Verizon does for pretty much any device (as they also did with the S III).
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I don't think Verizon is "punishing" Samsung for anything. There's a far more obvious, and business-oriented answer. When it comes to Android devices, Verizon likes to advertise their Droid line over non-Droid branded devices. With the Note 2, like the Galaxy S III, the device isn't a part of the Droid line, and more importantly it's not a Verizon exclusive. Most importantly, the Note 2, like the S III, is available (or will be available) on all major U.S. carriers. Verizon would rather market exclusive devices, because by marketing those, they're also marketing the fact that you have to be a Verizon customer. The same doesn't hold true if they heavily advertise or put a lot of emphasis behind devices that are available on every carrier.
So, is Verizon holding back the Note 2's release because of the DNA? That's very likely a part of it. But it's not because they're trying to punish anyone. They want to give their exclusive devices most of the exposure, along with a head start, because if someone wants of those, they have to be on Verizon. It just makes more business sense to put an emphasis on exclusive devices when it comes to marketing and release, especially when Samsung is already doing more marketing for the Note 2 than Verizon does for pretty much any device (as they also did with the S III).
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Seems logical as since it is a 'exclusive' device I'm guessing they pay some sort of premium too, so my bet is they try harder to make sure these devices are profitable.
My guess is VZW is holding back Note2 for two reasons, the home button and the DNA. It seems like there has been a low stock in regards to the note 2, so I'm wondering if that was an issue with the delay too.
Anyways, this marketing approach sucks for us, as this type of marketing works on on consumers who really have no interest in a specific device. Those who know exactly what they want, are likely not to sway, mostly all of us on this board.
I also think that the commercials for the Note II are targeting the wrong demographic as well. Should be more of a high-end device that can be used for every day calendar things showing off the S pen. Basically it has a kid drawing on the damn phone. I know that is ATT/Samsung, but still. I wonder how VZW commercials will be.
I'm still praying the device will ship early, but I really doubt it. I was reading old posts and a few people were claiming after thanksgiving, maybe a week after... from an "insider." way before oct. 24th.
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I don't think Verizon is "punishing" Samsung for anything. There's a far more obvious, and business-oriented answer. When it comes to Android devices, Verizon likes to advertise their Droid line over non-Droid branded devices. With the Note 2, like the Galaxy S III, the device isn't a part of the Droid line, and more importantly it's not a Verizon exclusive. Most importantly, the Note 2, like the S III, is available (or will be available) on all major U.S. carriers. Verizon would rather market exclusive devices, because by marketing those, they're also marketing the fact that you have to be a Verizon customer. The same doesn't hold true if they heavily advertise or put a lot of emphasis behind devices that are available on every carrier.
So, is Verizon holding back the Note 2's release because of the DNA? That's very likely a part of it. But it's not because they're trying to punish anyone. They want to give their exclusive devices most of the exposure, along with a head start, because if someone wants of those, they have to be on Verizon. It just makes more business sense to put an emphasis on exclusive devices when it comes to marketing and release, especially when Samsung is already doing more marketing for the Note 2 than Verizon does for pretty much any device (as they also did with the S III).
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Your right, it is good business sense for Verizon to push their advertised Droids. I am not drawing my conclusions on Samsung being punished from this one incident. I believe this was Verizon's move in a power war between carriers and manufacturers. Like you said, the Droids are Verizon exclusives. Samsung started to build their brand with the Galaxy line and Verizon does not need competition to their exclusive. Since Verizon was not able to twist the widely popular GSIII to their liking, they choose to send Samsung a message through a popular but not "make you or break you" phone.
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Seems logical as since it is a 'exclusive' device I'm guessing they pay some sort of premium too, so my bet is they try harder to make sure these devices are profitable.
My guess is VZW is holding back Note2 for two reasons, the home button and the DNA. It seems like there has been a low stock in regards to the note 2, so I'm wondering if that was an issue with the delay too.
Anyways, this marketing approach sucks for us, as this type of marketing works on on consumers who really have no interest in a specific device. Those who know exactly what they want, are likely not to sway, mostly all of us on this board.
I also think that the commercials for the Note II are targeting the wrong demographic as well. Should be more of a high-end device that can be used for every day calendar things showing off the S pen. Basically it has a kid drawing on the damn phone. I know that is ATT/Samsung, but still. I wonder how VZW commercials will be.
I'm still praying the device will ship early, but I really doubt it. I was reading old posts and a few people were claiming after thanksgiving, maybe a week after... from an "insider." way before oct. 24th.
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I actually know plenty of people at my old job who let their kids draw on the device to keep them occupied. While I don't know which demographic would generate higher sales, I can say that their target exists.
Hopefully the whole exclusive devices idea will go the way of the dinosaur soon enough. I'm glad Samsung got their foot in the door this year on that one and hopefully it expands to other manufacturers. They're really only hurting themselves by raising costs, delaying releases, not carrying wanted devices...ah well.
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Your right, it is good business sense for Verizon to push their advertised Droids. I am not drawing my conclusions on Samsung being punished from this one incident. I believe this was Verizon's move in a power war between carriers and manufacturers. Like you said, the Droids are Verizon exclusives. Samsung started to build their brand with the Galaxy line and Verizon does not need competition to their exclusive. Since Verizon was not able to twist the widely popular GSIII to their liking, they choose to send Samsung a message through a popular but not "make you or break you" phone.
I actually know plenty of people at my old job who let their kids draw on the device to keep them occupied. While I don't know which demographic would generate higher sales, I can say that their target exists.
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Meh, it was more of a hit against getting an A-list celebrity to endorse the phone rather than show off the features of the phone. From the commercial all you really get is you can draw on pictures (who knows if this is an app or built-in? <-- saying from a potential viewer who has NO idea what the Note 2 is), it has a stylus, you can watch videos on it, and take phone calls. I really thought nothing of the Note 2 until I saw the review on youtube and features like multiwindow, etc. I think Samsung did great with the S3 commercials in comparison, that really took a hit at Apple and spouted off their features such as s-beam. I don't think you need A-list celebrities for these phones, rather just show off the features and why they are superior to other phones on the market, such as iP5. Like I said, I just think it shows how off marketing companies can be sometimes.
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Meh, it was more of a hit against getting an A-list celebrity to endorse the phone rather than show off the features of the phone. From the commercial all you really get is you can draw on pictures (who knows if this is an app or built-in? <-- saying from a potential viewer who has NO idea what the Note 2 is), it has a stylus, you can watch videos on it, and take phone calls. I really thought nothing of the Note 2 until I saw the review on youtube and features like multiwindow, etc. I think Samsung did great with the S3 commercials in comparison, that really took a hit at Apple and spouted off their features such as s-beam. I don't think you need A-list celebrities for these phones, rather just show off the features and why they are superior to other phones on the market, such as iP5. Like I said, I just think it shows how off marketing companies can be sometimes.
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Ah, gotcha. I do know that the SIII commercials worked because I heard people actually talk about them. Which I can't say that about Apple.
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Ah, gotcha. I do know that the SIII commercials worked because I heard people actually talk about them. Which I can't say that about Apple.
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Yeah, they should advertise how the phone won't dim when you are looking at it, and stuff like that. I got sold on the features... or the fact that is quite literally the fastest phone on the market with a huge battery. Maybe this type of marketing will work on a few people, but I think people are into this phone are going to buy it for the features and not because LeBron has the phone. This isn't a "cutesy" phone that someone like Justin Bieber will use and all the teens will buy because of that,
Maybe when I get mine, I'll be able to slam dunk like LeBron or make a video of me doing it. Computer generated of course.
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Maybe when I get mine, I'll be able to slam dunk like LeBron or make a video of me doing it. Computer generated of course.
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That is my bet why we had to wait so long. All people who buy this phone will be able to dunk like LeBron.
It would be amazing if the DNA came out before the Note 2, lol
I wonder if the note2 verizon brand can be scraped off with a razer blade. I'm sure gonna try
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I wonder if the note2 verizon brand can be scraped off with a razer blade. I'm sure gonna try
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Depending on how the logos are printed on the device, you might be able to use a pasty sugar water mix to gently remove the logos. The thought of using a razor blade on plastic kind of scares me.
Real?
Fake?
Would it make you mad?
I think that it's for a S4 like phone that's set to launch in Europe. Reason being they did the same thing with the note 2 and galaxy mega. However contrary to this point the mega had much lower specs than the Note 2.
Given that it's an S4 that still retails for 200$ I'm convinced that Samsung did this in the interest of sales.
This might be an S4 variant that retails for 300$+ under a different name.
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It's real, but only being released in South Korea, so no one anywhere else should worry. This is because of the LTE-Advanced capabilities which currently only exist in South Korea
Real or vaporwear, I wouldn't worry about it. us Verizon folks will never see it on our network.
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Real or vaporwear, I wouldn't worry about it. us Verizon folks will never see it on our network.
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Probably the most accurate perspective, considering Verizon is in milking mode strategy with a mid device level offering and 16gb only option for the S4. Such a device would compromise their strategy. Other carriers probably will offer it in the US, just like 32gb S4 and the recent LG Pro.
The new 800 is not just a new LTE radio only, but the same radio versatility of the 600 with better fabrication process and much faster performance. We will not notice an LTE difference, but will notice "cooler" running 4g and much faster device performance.
pretty depressing that we won't ever see the 32gb s4
There is still a sliver of chance in late July, but by then we might hear more about 800 devices. HTC, LG and Samsung have already mentioned they will have devices with the chipset by Q4.
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Probably the most accurate perspective, considering Verizon is in milking mode strategy with a mid device level offering and 16gb only option for the S4. Such a device would compromise their strategy. Other carriers probably will offer it in the US, just like 32gb S4 and the recent LG Pro.
The new 800 is not just a new LTE radio only, but the same radio versatility of the 600 with better fabrication process and much faster performance. We will not notice an LTE difference, but will notice "cooler" running 4g and much faster device performance.
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I'm not surprised if Verizon is going with the "milking mode", but I feel Verizon's device strategy to be archaic.
It almost seem like Verizon is afraid that the customers will get confused if there are 2 equally good devices out at the same time. Perhaps this is why we don't have the HTC One yet.
Back when I was on T-Mobile, I would buy, then sell phones every few month. Simply because there are a ton of great phones to choose from. Now on Verizon, I change phones like once a year, not because I can't afford it, but because there's simply a lack of pones to choose from. Although, it all works out, since I need the money to pay the huge phone bill!
Unless there are massive power savings, i am not horribly bothered (got mine Sunday). The 600 is more than blowing me away with its power compared to my rezound.
Lets face it, when it comes to technology, there is ALWAYS something better right on the horizon. We face this every day, be it with phones, tvs, or computers. If you enjoy what you have, and it does what you need, i wouldn't dwell too much on what you might be "missing out" on..
True dat.
SUWON, South Korea (Reuters) - Samsung Electronics Co plans to sell a variation of its flagship Galaxy S4 smartphone that will transmit data at nearly twice the normal speed, the head of its mobile business said on Monday.
J.K. Shin, also co-chief executive of the world's biggest technology firm by revenue, said the phone would be sold in South Korea as early as this month.
Samsung was in talks with several overseas carriers to take the phone, Shin told Reuters in an interview at Samsung's headquarters in Suwon, just south of Seoul. He declined to name the carriers.
"We'll be the first with the commercial launch of the advanced 4G version of the smartphone," Shin said.
The new S4 will use LTE-Advanced 4G technology, an upgrade from conventional 4G called LTE, or long term evolution. LTE-Advanced offers data transmission at up to twice the normal 4G speed. The phones will be powered by Qualcomm chips.
A movie download that takes 3 minutes with conventional 4G would take slightly more than 1 minute, Samsung said.
Samsung's shares have lost almost $20 billion since June 7 after analysts cut forecasts for Galaxy S4 sales by as much as 30 percent on industry data that showed the high-end smartphone market was getting saturated.
The same problem is hitting sales of the iPhone 5, made by Samsung rival Apple Inc.
Samsung's market capitalization is still a hefty $195 billion. Its shares closed down 0.2 percent on Monday.
Shin showed little concern about sales prospects for the S4, which hit stores in late April. The mobile devices division is the company's biggest profit generator.
"S4 sales remain strong. It's selling far stronger than the (Galaxy) S III ... and the new LTE-Advanced (4G) phone will be another addition to our high-end segment offerings that ensure healthy profit margins," Shin said.
Shin declined to provide forecasts for S4 sales. He said the new S4 would be slightly more expensive than the current one.
The South Korean firm hopes the addition of hardware offerings such as faster data transmission, along with its widely anticipated move to introduce models with unbreakable or flexible displays, will help it protect margin growth.
"As operators seek to provide more data-centric mobile services, I think this will become mainstream 4G technology globally in the coming years," Shin said.
Shin also said sales of Samsung's tablet products in the U.S. market jumped 3.3 times since it installed brand shops within Best Buy's stores in April, and is now considering expanding the format in Latin America and Britain. Samsung declined to name potential retailers.
EYES ON NETWORK BUSINESS
Having conquered the smartphone market that Apple virtually created with the iconic iPhone in 2007, Samsung is seeking to do the same in the network business with the booming 4G mobile equipment market, challenging bigger rivals such as Ericsson, China's Huawei and Nokia Siemens Networks.
Many countries need to upgrade mobile base stations to handle not just 3G but also 4G, or build them from scratch to support 4G connections.
Shin said the network gear market was one of Samsung's fastest growing businesses, mainly thanks to 4G equipment sales which had been rising more than 30 percent a year since 2010.
The new phone would help this part of Samsung's business, he said.
"Such technology leadership will set the pace for the competition and help us become a major player in the network gear market," Shin said.
Samsung has won some 4G network deals from all major South Korean carriers, U.S. Sprint Nextel Corp and Japan's KDDI Corp and Hutchison Whampoa's British unit, but it needs to crack China to close the gap with traditional vendors in the overall gear equipment market.
Shin said there had not been much progress in Samsung's push to penetrate China's 4G equipment market yet, but it was increasing investment in the country.
China's three mobile operators - China Mobile, China Unicom and China Telecom - plan to spend a combined 345 billion yuan ($56.3 billion) this year on network upgrades. That includes investment in 4G, which multiplies mobile broadband speeds by up to five times for users of iPhone and Galaxy phones compared with 3G.
Many analysts believe Huawei and ZTE Corp - already big suppliers of China Mobile since only 10-15 percent of 3G network contracts went to foreign vendors - will be winners, leaving others to fight for smaller bits of the pie.
Samsung hopes to show Chinese clients that 4G networks with new technology can be built faster and with lower operating costs.
Not to hate, but standard 4G still isn't completely commonplace yet.
Not sure if i should go after this or the note.
Good god there is going to be 30 different versions of the S4 before too long....
S4 rugged
S4 developer
S4 google
S4 lte advanced
S4 sugar daddy edition
S4 game of thrones edition
S4 pokemon edition
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Good god there is going to be 30 different versions of the S4 before too long....
S4 rugged
S4 developer
S4 google
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S4 pokemon edition
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The GOT edition might be cool- if a 32GB version for Verizon
Samsung is being savvy with the S4 "LTE Advanced" edition, since that is an understatement in name. The Snap 800 is the newer fabrication process that runs cooler for cpu, gpu and the data radios. The Snap dual and 600 are the same fabrication and basic design family. The Snap 800 is the start of their new family. Seems deceiving calling it what they are. The Snap 600 to 800 is a bigger overall hardware jump than the Snap dual to the 600.
Perhaps S4 Big Kahuna, or S4 Mega are better and more relative names.
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Because that would conflict with Verizon backup assistance and their expensive cloud
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Lol these posts are getting old...there is always going to be something better a few months after you buy a phone...
CC268 said:
Lol these posts are getting old...there is always going to be something better a few months after you buy a phone...
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I must agree..I say it is an intentional ploy to get more of our money.
Yea if they actually do come out with another they are trying to get more of our money and its just outrageous that they would purposely do such a thing.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...ware-nexus-5x-and-6p-not-meeting-sales-goals/
- HTC is still in talks to build the next Nexus phone(s).
- Google takes a 15% cut of the sales price of Nexus phones it sells, but it hasn't always done this, and on some past devices has taken no cut at all.
- The "most recent" Nexus phones (5X, 6P) have not met their "optimistic" internal sales goals at Google.
- The Nexus 5 (2013) was the best-selling Nexus phone of all time.
- That the 5X and 6P aren't being sold by any US carriers is a point of "significant consternation" for people involved with the Nexus program.
My opinion
The 6P and 5X not reaching sales goals ? No ****, because they're not sold in Carrier stores this time. If the iPhone 7 is only sold on the Apple website for $700, no payment plan, you betcha ass sales will suck and be way down. If Google wants sales, they need to put it on all major carriers, BUT ALSO advertise the crap out of it like no tomorrow, and have promotions for it in the stores.
But just throwing it up on the Google website, and saying, her we have a phone we're selling, just give us $600 and it's yours. No **** Sherlock it's not selling well.
Plus in Europe the price was a joke. Too expensive. The only ones who buy a Nexus these days are Nexus fans. The N6P 32gb costs 650-700 euros in EU while the S6 32gb costs 400-450 and the G4 400. So no surprise here. Time to get serious with the Nexus line and stop ripping off geeks and Nexus fans.
Another kick in the balls is the major price drop that comes like 9 months later. Brand new the Nexus 6P is like $600 or so, and then in the spring watch it come down to like $399, and then late Summer will be like $299 brand new still.
I cant imagine carriers will be happy selling an Unlocked phone below the prices of other phones of the same caliber. Id also imagine carriers would want to mark up the phones some how. Also Id imagine other cell phone makers wouldnt be too happy. Imagine Samsung or LG putting their $650 phone out at verizon and then a $500 Nexus 6P shows up being financed through the carrier also. Probably the reason carriers had the Nexus 6 because it came out at the same price as other flagships. Plus carriers wanna put their bloat crap on the phones also.
It does seem google has actually advertised the 5x and 6p. Ive seen a lot of commercials for them. Cant say I ever saw a Nexus 6 commercial.
I think a big reason the sales also aren't up to snuff is the phones just now are being sold in Best Buy. A lot of customers want to hold the phone and see if they like it. Its taken forever for them to just get to best buy and they still don't have phones on display for customers to see. I think best buys having a dedicated nexus booth would help immensely.
Does Worst Buy I mean Best Buy actually have the 6P on display in the store ? My local Best Buy's around Chicago, have a very tiny little Google section off in the corner, and no phones, just the Chrome notebooks, not even the HTC 9 Tablet. So not sure what those Google sections in BB are for if they don't even carry or display the main Nexus devices ?
I agree with OP's opinion, people just DON'T KNOW about these Nexus phones.
There was an article recently stating that Google wants to take more direct control of the Nexus phones, and copy Apple and the iPhone.
Look at the iPhone, it's sold at all major phone carriers stores, with subsidized payments plans. And Apple updates the iPhone whenever the hell they need to, and NEVER let the carriers get in the way of an iOS update. The carriers are sort of agnostic to it.
Google can do the same thing with the Nexus phones just like Apple and the iPhone with complete direct control.
And Jordan used to say "Just do it"
Here in Canada, the Nexus 6p was the best deal on a phone through Telus. $200 for the 6p on a 2yr plan, but $300 or $400 for the Note 5. So it actually was discounted, and made the most sense.
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Here in Canada, the Nexus 6p was the best deal on a phone through Telus. $200 for the 6p on a 2yr plan, but $300 or $400 for the Note 5. So it actually was discounted, and made the most sense.
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or $0 for some of us on Black Friday
I was actually able to get a 6P because it was supplied by O2. Otherwise I wouldn't have got one, I like to have it part of my phone contract. Most people in the UK have phones on contract.
I'm happily with T-Mobile, and on their JoD ( Jump on Demand ) program, and expected the Nexus 6P would be available on T-Mobile of all carriers, because they have been the only carrier to support the Nexus phone line from the very beginning, selling the Nexus-One, and stocking and selling the Nexus-S, Nexus 4, Nexus 5, and Nexus 6.
For me it makes zero sense to spend $600 with Google to get the 6P, when on JoD program, so I just used my one of three upgrades on the Note 5, which I rooted and installed a great custom ROM, and this phone screams But I would prefer the Nexus 6P. But at this point, with the 6P being almost 5 months old, I'll just wait for a nice SD820 phone, like the G5 ( with CM13 ROM ) or something else.
It's no surprise that they aren't selling well - they're mediocre phones selling at premium prices. I lol at anyone who buys a nexus - and feel sorry for them too.
The (2013) Nexus 5 was $399 at launch, and had pretty much flagships high end spec's at the time, it was a super deal. Now the 5X comes out at a similar price but with lesser budget spec's. WTF Google ?
Sales, marketing, distribution, and support are intertwined. Any expectation Google has/had about 2015 sales would be determined by their investments in those things as well as the depth of each category.
Huawei has no U.S. support infrastructure and doesn’t even have the facility to offer owners paid non-warranty repairs. I’m sure that played in to the U.S. carrier’s decision not to offer the 6P. Folks that view Nexus as just another phone have to really want one to live with limited support or be forced in to buying a warranty for non-warranty repairs even if they don’t normally.
Without the U.S. carrier’s offering the phone where are mainstream consumers going to buy it? 67% of smartphones sold in the U.S. are on carrier post-paid plans (installment and contract). The majority of the rest are low-end prepaid smartphones purchased outright. The percentage of people buying their own $500+ high-end smartphones outright via third parties is probably in the single digit percentages; at least in the U.S. With limited distribution Google has to have known the consequences of the phones being offered via so few channels.
Google ran a bunch of nicely produced ads randomly on U.S. TV. They probably spent 1/100th of what Samsung spends on their own advertising and in co-ops with the carriers. What’s that supposed to do for sales of a phone only available online and at some Best Buys?
What problem does the 6P solve for the masses that don’t know (or care) about “pure” and regular updates? To the masses TW is Android based on Samsung’s market penetration so the absence of it and its features could be viewed as a deficit not a benefit. Nexus make XDA'rs wet, not so much the masses.
If the 6P isn’t selling well it isn’t because it’s a bad phone it’s that Google’s expectations weren’t realistic in the first place.
The only growth left in phones/tablets is to peel users from competitors. And there's only so much that can be done with UI/UX to set yourself apart. The OEM's have understood this for a while that's why they're making forays into wearables, virtual reality, and driverless cars. I say this because it makes it clear that if Google wants to increase sales of their Nexus line, they have 1 choice: lower the price. Two nexus devices released at the same time both priced too high is a recipe for disaster. There were basically no compelling upgrade reasons except for niche enthusiasts. Luckily for Google (Alphabet), they're an advertising company and not a hardware OEM. So as device sales slow across the board (even iPhone) they are better positioned than most
What are the flaws you find with the 6P as opposed to other premium Android phones?
Bad phone, mediocre phone, are you guys kidding? This is the best android phone. Period! But of course many people prefer pay more for a samsung or something!
Is too bad Google stopped the GPE program, would love to see GPE based phones like the S7, and G5 this Spring, those flagship phones running stock vanilla Android, directly supported by Google, and sold through carrier plans.
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It's no surprise that they aren't selling well - they're mediocre phones selling at premium prices. I lol at anyone who buys a nexus - and feel sorry for them too.
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So, do you actually own one? I didn't think so. If you had used a 6p you would not be saying it was a mediocre phone. It is actually, all in all, the best phone on the market for daily driver use right now. I am currently living in Paraguay, a country with bad overloaded cell phone networks, where most people who can afford smartphones are pretty much locked into Samsung by the carriers here. The radio in my 6p is SO much better than the weak Samsung radios. The battery lasts all day in conditions where I am constantly going in and out of signal areas. Just my point of view, but the problem with these phones is not the phones themselves, but Googles marketing. Of course, I am buying it for the phone and not the marketing...
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This is the best android phone. Period!
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It is actually, all in all, the best phone on the market for daily driver use right now.
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For a niche audience of hobbiests and purists. Even where Nexi were offered by major global carriers along side other premium phones, some more expensive, Nexus sales never came close to competitive phones sales wise if they made a dent at all. The things that push people's buttons on XDA don't represent the masses view. A billion smartphones were sold last year. There are 360K active XDA members over the last 30 days. As @crachel said, the smartphone phone market has matured and even those with recognized names and a loyal customer base are struggling. HTC, Sony, and LG all lost money in mobile last quarter.
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There were basically no compelling upgrade reasons except for niche enthusiasts.
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We have a winner.
The topic is fairly straight forward. I don't want to take away from what the V30 offers but it seems like a fair question and discussion to have with so many other phones coming out in the same time frame.
Today, Razer finally announced their Razer phone and it is available for pre-order with an estimated delivery date of November 17th. The US998 non-carrier version of the V30 is currently estimated to finally be available on December 5th. The Razer phone costs $699US where the V30 costs $800US. That said, here are the bands supported by the Razer phone. Yeah, no CDMA.
GSM: Quad-band GSM UMTS: B1/2/3/4/5/8
LTE: B1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/17/19/20/25/26/28/29/30/66
TDD LTE: B38/39/40/41 TD-SCDMA: B34/39
With 8GB of RAM, a 120Hz screen with adjustable refresh rate, SD835, dual front-facing speakers with Dolby Atmos, and a 4000mAh battery, and even a THX certified DAC, although through a USB-C to headphone adapter that comes in the box. Stock Android (N) with an update to Oreo early next year and 2 years of software updates, Nova Launcher Prime as the stock launcher, SIM unlocked out of the box, and... here's the kicker. Unlockable bootloader that hasn't been stripped of fastboot commands!
The V30 seems to offer the better rear camera experience, at least from what I have seen so far. The front-facing camera might be a bit different though with the Razer phone having an 8MP front-facing camera. The V30 definitely has the better style and look to it though, although aesthetics are purely personal taste. The V30 (H932SV) supports T-Mobile's 600MHz band 71 where the Razer phone doesn't and I haven't heard of anyone mentioning WiFi Calling and VoLTE support as of yet. The V30 also offers wireless charging but the Razer phone offers Quick Charge 4+.
So... Does anyone think there is still a reason to buy a V30, especially at the current pricing of $800US?
i'd NEVER ever again buy a phone with huge bezels like that razer phone has. the thing looks like a block. the design is really as bad as it could possibly be
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i'd NEVER ever again buy a phone with huge bezels like that razer phone has. the thing looks like a block. the design is really as bad as it could possibly be
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I totally understand that. The look of it... It does look like a brick. That is the hard thing about it. It has a lot of other things going right for it but... it's just damn ugly!
No Qi wireless, no sale.
That's my line in the sand whether an OEM really wants my money.
But I like the battery and front-facing speakers. LG should copy that! No reason any phone with a 6" screen can't have 4000 mAh battery. My 5.2" Moto XT1225 (1440p AMOLED) has a 3900 mAh battery!
hmmm... there are trade offs depending on what you are after on a device. I got my t-mobile v30 for $600 brand new so I suppose it's a pretty decent deal.
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hmmm... there are trade offs depending on what you are after on a device. I got my t-mobile v30 for $600 brand new so I suppose it's a pretty decent deal.
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$600 for a V30 would sell me, especially from T-Mobile. For me, wireless charging doesn't matter all that much but the look of that brick just seems like such a step backwards in phone design. I get that it is based off of the Nexbit Robin but still. Razer could have done better design wise. Just about everything else ticks all of the right things for me. If you don't mind me asking. How did you get $200 off of the full price of the V30 from T-Mobile?
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$600 for a V30 would sell me, especially from T-Mobile. For me, wireless charging doesn't matter all that much but the look of that brick just seems like such a step backwards in phone design. I get that it is based off of the Nexbit Robin but still. Razer could have done better design wise. Just about everything else ticks all of the right things for me. If you don't mind me asking. How did you get $200 off of the full price of the V30 from T-Mobile?
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I found a seller on craigslist in my local area. He said he won it a raffle from work and doesn't need it.
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I found a seller on craigslist in my local area. He said he won it a raffle from work and doesn't need it.
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Nice! Enjoy it! It's definitely an excellent device and you have band 71 to get the best performance out of the 600MHz network as it starts to go live.
It seems like 2017 is the year for great competition in the smartphone market. For the price and value however, I find the Essential Phone very competitive. I saw a number of refurbished models on eBay for $390 or so. Possibly return units that look quite flawless. No headphone jack though.
Jcsww, what phone are you thinking of getting?
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It seems like 2017 is the year for great competition in the smartphone market. For the price and value however, I find the Essential Phone very competitive. I saw a number of refurbished models on eBay for $390 or so. Possibly return units that look quite flawless. No headphone jack though.
Jcsww, what phone are you thinking of getting?
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I want a V30. It's just there are so many inaccuracies about the bands supported in each model of the V30. I am currently up in Canada so everything sold up here is the H933 model. Each carrier up here lists different band support which also conflicts with what LG directly told me. I'd rally like the unlocked US998 but December 5th is a bit far away to wait and the price of it seems to be too high for what is out there for competition. Band 71 would be a bonus as a T-Mobile customer but for the right price, I'd forget about it until my next upgrade. According to B&H, the US998's non-carrier version band support sucks! I would like to be able to root my device but I also think I could potentially live without root if I got the H932SV from T-Mobile.
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...December 5th is a bit far away to wait and the price of it seems to be too high for what is out there for competition.
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I'd like to think that by Dec 5, LG will have dropped the priced (given the added competition and mixed reviews), and/or there will be some sweet sales.
I'm a Verizon customer and can take advantage of the $200 gift card and free Daydream headset, but I'm likely going to hold out for the unlocked model to see how well that plays on Verizon's network. I'm fairly confident I'll find a better deal than what Verizon is offering at the moment.
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The topic is fairly straight forward. I don't want to take away from what the V30 offers but it seems like a fair question and discussion to have with so many other phones coming out in the same time frame.
Today, Razer finally announced their Razer phone and it is available for pre-order with an estimated delivery date of November 17th. The US998 non-carrier version of the V30 is currently estimated to finally be available on December 5th. The Razer phone costs $699US where the V30 costs $800US. That said, here are the bands supported by the Razer phone. Yeah, no CDMA. [emoji14]
GSM: Quad-band GSM UMTS: B1/2/3/4/5/8
LTE: B1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/17/19/20/25/26/28/29/30/66
TDD LTE: B38/39/40/41 TD-SCDMA: B34/39
With 8GB of RAM, a 120Hz screen with adjustable refresh rate, SD835, dual front-facing speakers with Dolby Atmos, and a 4000mAh battery, and even a THX certified DAC, although through a USB-C to headphone adapter that comes in the box. Stock Android (N) with an update to Oreo early next year and 2 years of software updates, Nova Launcher Prime as the stock launcher, SIM unlocked out of the box, and... here's the kicker. Unlockable bootloader that hasn't been stripped of fastboot commands!
The V30 seems to offer the better rear camera experience, at least from what I have seen so far. The front-facing camera might be a bit different though with the Razer phone having an 8MP front-facing camera. The V30 definitely has the better style and look to it though, although aesthetics are purely personal taste. The V30 (H932SV) supports T-Mobile's 600MHz band 71 where the Razer phone doesn't and I haven't heard of anyone mentioning WiFi Calling and VoLTE support as of yet. The V30 also offers wireless charging but the Razer phone offers Quick Charge 4+.
So... Does anyone think there is still a reason to buy a V30, especially at the current pricing of $800US?
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So I see that you put all of the details of the upcoming Razer phone. Are you asking if the V30 is a better buy over the Razer phone? Well what are you looking for in a phone?
Really big phone=Razer
Screen to size ratio=V30
Best headphone audio=V30
Great sounding stereo speakers=Razer
Price=Razer
Carrier compatibility=V30
Wi-Fi calling (TMO)=V30
Volte calling (TMO)=V30
Screen=Razer
8Gb RAM [emoji3]=Razer
Gaming=Razer
Smoothness=Razer
I'm sure there is more but that's what I've got so far.
I know the wait for the unlocked sucks but fact of the matter is that manufacturers worry about carrier versions first and no-brands second. Unless you have some weird or obscure carrier you can probably have a carrier phone tomorrow so the wait for the unlock is on you.
I'd say wait for the V30. After a couple months the Razer phone will be as cool and desirable as a Marshall London phone.
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ChazzMatt said:
No Qi wireless, no sale.
That's my line in the sand whether an OEM really wants my money.
But I like the battery and front-facing speakers. LG should copy that! No reason any phone with a 6" screen can't have 4000 mAh battery. My 5.2" Moto XT1225 (1440p AMOLED) has a 3900 mAh battery!
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replying to my own post -- also NO headphone jack.
Somewhat scathing review:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/1/...ndroid-gaming-specs-release-date-price-photos
Razer Phone announced with huge bezels, no headphone jack, and dubious gamer cred
...the absence of its headphone jack. It’s that last element that strikes me as a major contradiction: Razer’s supposedly gamer-friendly device is lacking easy connectivity to a gamer’s most essential peripheral after the controller. Inside the Razer Phone box you’ll find a THX-certified audio dongle that lets you hook up headphones and promises 24-bit “audiophile-quality” sound, but that’s a weird compromise on a device that’s supposed to be about no-compromise gaming performance.
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The device is priced at $700 in the US (or €750 in Europe, £700 in the UK) and sold directly from Razer’s online store or Amazon.com, with a ship date of November 17th with online reservations opening today. That price tag means the Razer Phone is entering the most premium and competitive segment of the smartphone market. It’s going up against brilliantly designed pieces of hardware like the Galaxy Note 8, LG V30, HTC U11, OnePlus 5, and Huawei Mate 10 Pro. All of them have specs to match Razer’s, aside from that new screen; many of them have eliminated the bezels; and the majority also have headphone jacks.
Why should you buy the Razer Phone ahead of all that great competition? Maybe Razer has a compelling answer, but after my experience with its new device, I can’t identify it.
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I'd like to think that by Dec 5, LG will have dropped the priced (given the added competition and mixed reviews), and/or there will be some sweet sales.
I'm a Verizon customer and can take advantage of the $200 gift card and free Daydream headset, but I'm likely going to hold out for the unlocked model to see how well that plays on Verizon's network. I'm fairly confident I'll find a better deal than what Verizon is offering at the moment.
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I agree that a price drop is definitely needed and sooner than later. LG doesn't seem to understand what they are doing though. The V30's hype was ruined by delays and a reveal too early compared to the release date. When I see a phone debuted, I want to buy it shortly after, not months later. The more time that passes, the more other things are closer to release. CES and MWC are not too long after the holiday season.
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So I see that you put all of the details of the upcoming Razer phone. Are you asking if the V30 is a better buy over the Razer phone? Well what are you looking for in a phone?
Really big phone=Razer
Screen to size ratio=V30
Best headphone audio=V30
Great sounding stereo speakers=Razer
Price=Razer
Carrier compatibility=V30
Wi-Fi calling (TMO)=V30
Volte calling (TMO)=V30
Screen=Razer
8Gb RAM [emoji3]=Razer
Gaming=Razer
Smoothness=Razer
I'm sure there is more but that's what I've got so far.
I know the wait for the unlocked sucks but fact of the matter is that manufacturers worry about carrier versions first and no-brands second. Unless you have some weird or obscure carrier you can probably have a carrier phone tomorrow so the wait for the unlock is on you.
I'd say wait for the V30. After a couple months the Razer phone will be as cool and desirable as a Marshall London phone.
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Headphone audio going to the V30 is debatable. No one has really tested the Razer audio from the 24-bit DAC Razer is using enough to post a review of it, at least not yet. I don't care about gaming on a phone either and I don't know many that actually do but I am sure someone does. The screen on the Razer phone has got to have better viewing angles over the V30. The ability to speed up the processor and adjust the refresh rate and resolution are all nice aspects on a stock Android experience. Even though the Razer phone looks like a ginormous greyish black brick, the specs and price have left the V30, at least in my opinion, looking stupid with their too late for a flagship release. LG has managed to tease me with a product I really wanted and then has made me not want it by the time I could actually get it.
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Headphone audio going to the V30 is debatable. No one has really tested the Razer audio from the 24-bit DAC Razer is using enough to post a review of it, at least not yet. .
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Razer Phone doesn't have a headphone jack. You have to use a dongle like with the iPhone and Pixel.
Plus, I don't think it's debatable, considering the other stuff Razer messed up on. See my previous post, above yours.
Even in the "bad" reviews for the LG V30, critics praise the LG V30 32-bit quad DAC:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3235324/android/lg-v30-review.html
LG V30 review: Another great LG phone that just isn't great enough
With a pair of Bluetooth buds, the V30 sounds like any other phone, but with wired headphones and the Quad DAC flipped on, it’s in a class by itself. Even comparing it against the HTC U11, which has its own USB-C-based audio system with a proprietary pair of noise-canceling earbuds, the V30 more than held its own. Once I plugged in a pair of higher-end headphones, the sound was downright spectacular for a smartphone. My only quibble is that I would have preferred the headphone jack at the bottom edge of the phone rather than the top.
With on-par performance and battery life, the V30’s Quad DAC is easily its best selling point, especially for people turned off by the Pixel 2 XL’s reliance on a USB-C-to-3.5mm dongle. In an era where specs and design are increasingly homogenous, sound quality could very well become one of the main differentiators among flagship phones. The V30 is definitely among the cream of the crop.
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And again, this was a bad review -- but he was honest about what he considered the good points.
I bought my LG V30 a month ago. As a Verizon customer, I was eligible for $102USD trade-in value for my old Note 4 and a promotional $200USD gift card. Out of pocket expense was $538USD not including taxes and fees. I was originally going to wait for the Pixel 2 XL or an iPhone X, but the cost savings combined with the quad DAC, headphone jack, dual cameras, and the centrally located rear fingerprint scanner was enough reason for me to pull the trigger on the V30. LG also provided a free Google Daydream and a 2nd year of warranty coverage.
So far, I've been very pleased with the V30 with zero buyer remorse.
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Razer Phone doesn't have a headphone jack. You have to use a dongle like with the iPhone and Pixel.
Plus, I don't think it's debatable, considering the other stuff Razer messed up on. See my previous post, above yours.
Even in the "bad" reviews for the LG V30, critics praise the LG V30 32-bit quad DAC:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3235324/android/lg-v30-review.html
And again, this was a bad review -- but he was honest about what he considered the good points.
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It may not have a headphone jack but the adapter does come in the box. I would like to see some more reviews on Razer's offering before I call one or the other to be better. Currently though, LG's audio implementation is by far the best out there. However, the Razer phone doesn't officially come out for a couple of more days. By then, there should be some more in-depth reviews.
A) I haven't done dongles since my G1 and I will never do dongles again. There's just no reason for it and it gets old fast.
B) Probably not a good idea to buy this first gen product.
C) Probably not a good idea to bank on x years of updates until they've made x years of the product. I had to look up who Razer even is. Without carrier distribution in the US, this thing will see such a limited release that I'd question if they're even still making phones in a few years. Look at the facts. This is basically a product that some other team started and did a "one and done" then offloaded to someone else while they still could. And it's this last point that I'd really worry about and might make a lot of other people hesitant. Which could possibly lead to an early demise of this part of the company. They really have to make a compelling case for a lot of people to jump into the deep end of a cold pool quickly.
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A) I haven't done dongles since my G1 and I will never do dongles again. There's just no reason for it and it gets old fast.
B) Probably not a good idea to buy this first gen product.
C) Probably not a good idea to bank on x years of updates until they've made x years of the product. I had to look up who Razer even is. Without carrier distribution in the US, this thing will see such a limited release that I'd question if they're even still making phones in a few years. Look at the facts. This is basically a product that some other team started and did a "one and done" then offloaded to someone else while they still could. And it's this last point that I'd really worry about and might make a lot of other people hesitant. Which could possibly lead to an early demise of this part of the company. They really have to make a compelling case for a lot of people to jump into the deep end of a cold pool quickly.
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Lots of valid points there and i agree with the dongle. If you can't charge your phone and still listen to wired headphones, that is a deal breaker, at least for me. I am all for competition, especially when it comes in cheaper with those specs. Whether it is the product for me or anyone else is an individual choice. Hopefully it makes LG try harder and do better with the V40 launch. The V30 product isn't the issue in my opinion. It was LG's failure to deliver that product in a timely manor.
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Lots of valid points there and i agree with the dongle. If you can't charge your phone and still listen to wired headphones, that is a deal breaker, at least for me. I am all for competition, especially when it comes in cheaper with those specs. Whether it is the product for me or anyone else is an individual choice. Hopefully it makes LG try harder and do better with the V40 launch. The V30 product isn't the issue in my opinion. It was LG's failure to deliver that product in a timely manor.
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That would be assuming LG, or any company, sees this as competition. Which at this point I doubt any of them do. Sure it has a couple of impressive specs but that's it. It has limited distribution from an unproven company with a hideous design that's already getting a lukewarm reception at best. I don't think any established company is going to take this thing all that seriously.
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As for LG's timeliness, they did the same thing with the V20. At this point if they cleaned up their act in time for the V40, I'd be pleasantly surprised. In the end game though I'm not really worried. Waiting a few weeks isn't really anything when you realize the development cycle of a given product. It's not like another company is going to use that few weeks time between announcement and launch to suddenly sneak out a better product. That window just isn't long enough to do that and the supply chain doesn't flip fast enough to seriously one up that quickly, even if you could get your developers and QA to move fast enough. (Which we don't. Oh dear FSM we don't.)
No, what you're seeing in all of these complaints of "taking forever to launch" is a lack of patience from a very small slice of the overall consumer pie chart and an interesting psychological study into some rather boorish and childish behavior. There is no other way to explain it. Either you really do want the product in question and can wait a few weeks or you just have money burning a hole in your pocket and want to throw it at the first thing you can.
Look at the iPhone X launch. How long between it's announcement and actual in hands? It was announced on September 12th? Couldn't even pre-order until a few days ago! (Last Friday) Won't ship until at least tomorrow! (One week after pre-orders opened.) Oh, and that's if you're lucky as they seem to be having supply issues and might only get to ship half if that. That's 8 weeks before it is in ANY consumer's hands. Between announcement and in hands I had my V30 in 5 weeks and that was waiting from a US carrier, not even the lesser wait if you were in LG's home market. And I'm just not seeing the same type of complaining from those waiting on iPhones as I see on the Android tech blogs and forums about LG's V launches. It's absolutely bewildering to see the difference.