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is it me or is it very annoying to see all these post about roms that are not released yet or wont be released for a week or two or three .....i mean at least a screen shot ...or how about people using kitchen to cook a personal rom that taste like sh*t....is there any way to control this or rules to posting a new rom ......hope i dont sound stupid
also i would like to say i respect ever one for there work personal or public ......
I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with throwing out a teaser. It's like the 'Coming Attractions' at the movies. If you don't like them, just show up 15 minutes after the movie's supposed to start.
Unless every chef uses a diffrent theme each time, every screenshot is going to look the same. I can understand if someone is planning to roll out a new taskbar or something and it may not be cooperatiing, a screenshot may be a nice placeholder for its followers... but really, a screenshot is always going to be the same picture as all the others.
I think it is helpful for the chefs that are soliciting input on what to include in pending ROMS so that they can appeal to the masses. It does seem a bit odd however, to post a "Placeholder" for something without description or any request for input. However, it seems a small price to pay for getting to use the work and talents of others.
I do make some flashing decisions based on pending releases. For example, NATF should be close to his 5.0 release so I am waiting to flash that. (I don't know why we ever let him buy a house - A real productivity killer)
I guess you always have the option of simply not reading the "In Development" posts.
Doug M.
I certainly concur in this thought process. As AdamNimrod said, unless you are providing a ridiculously new look or program or UI, OR if you are a seasoned chef who has been contributing for many many releases and have a large following.... there should be no teasers.
Most of the up and comming noob chefs out there are using Da_G's kitchen. Which means, out of the box, most Roms are looking identical. Just a couple tweaks here and there, such as the wallpaper. We arent seeing any new chefs who offer a groudbreaking earth shattering new rom.
The roms we see out there now have taken lots and lots of time, and tweaking and calibrating from the chefs, to be what they are. But when a new chef comes on the scene and states they have an awesome new rom, and it turns out to be identical to one released 4 days ago... its discouraging. However, on the flip side, even to the guy who releases a basic rom Im in debted, because I cant cook a rom to save my life. I just flash any and every rom and subsequent release, in the quest for the perfect rom!
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is it me or is it very annoying to see all these post about roms that are not released yet or wont be released for a week or two or three .....i mean at least a screen shot ...or how about people using kitchen to cook a personal rom that taste like sh*t....is there any way to control this or rules to posting a new rom ......hope i dont sound stupid
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Get over it.......Don't read the post then.....I agree with Farmer ted; it's like a teaser and keeps you interested. Just my 2 cents...
Im not sure if this is what he means.. but i find it abit hard to wade through some of the posts when trying to read up on roms and such... if only there was a page that listed all the roms and stages and such..... o O ( http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael_Cooked_WM6.1_ROMs or http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael_Cooked_WM6.5_ROMs ) too bad.. it doesn't seem like the one for 6.5 is used...
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Im not sure if this is what he means.. but i find it abit hard to wade through some of the posts when trying to read up on roms and such... if only there was a page that listed all the roms and stages and such..... o O ( http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael_Cooked_WM6.1_ROMs or http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael_Cooked_WM6.5_ROMs ) too bad.. it doesn't seem like the one for 6.5 is used...
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Oops, forgot abou that, added mine for good measure
IMO, They are the chefs let them determine how to set up the menu. I would rather see a placeholder with what they may be including on it to decide whether or not i will flash it. They could be worse, the threads would look like howardforums threads.
I agree.
Mods - Why can't we have a different section for teasers/quizzes/input-gathering-roms?
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...or how about people using kitchen to cook a personal rom that taste like sh*t....
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That's actually why I don't cook & release ROMs. The way I see it, I'm using a tool that is available to everyone that visits the site, and unless I have something ground-breaking to offer, I'll let those that do contribute in that way. I will continue to try and find other ways to contribute, and cook ROMs for my own personal use. I have had a few people PM me & tell me they'd like to try one of my ROMs, but I wonder what makes them think that my ROM is any better than anyone elses? I don't have half the technical know-how of the chefs here. The tools provided on this site make it so easy for a n00b to feel like a pro - and really, that's all I am - a Senior n00b.
But I still appreciate the work that ALL the chefs, even the new ones, put into their work, and how they do what they can to assist those who decide to flash their ROMs. I'd much rather be the guy that goes around and helps out where he can.
So at any rate, I don't think there's anything wrong with generating anticipation for a new ROM release, though I do appreciate the point that if it's not offering something new & exciting, that it could be a disappointing read. Fortunately, such threads are clearly labeled, and can be ignored.
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is it me...
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No bro, it's not you. Those empty threads always make me think "why didn't this guy wait til he actually had something?" It is a waste of time and more importantly space on the first page of the forum. I personally always rate those threads low. I'm not recommending everyone do the same, but the option is there.
Half the time we hear a chef ask "tell me what you want" only to have tens of contradictory requests anyway. The other half of the time a chef says "This is MY personal ROM configured to MY liking. If you like it and want to use it great, if not don't bother." So I don't see the point of having a teaser. (not that I'm criticizing either style, I respect both. Just no place for teasers.) Besides, I've even seen teasers that NEVER get anywhere past that.
If you cooked your own ROM and you like it, chances are someone else will too. If you're bringing in the latest stuff from whatever device you ported it, that's exciting. If you're just announcing your intentions, well you haven't really done anything have you?
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No bro, it's not you. Those empty threads always make me think "why didn't this guy wait til he actually had something?" It is a waste of time and more importantly space on the first page of the forum. I personally always rate those threads low. I'm not recommending everyone do the same, but the option is there.
Half the time we hear a chef ask "tell me what you want" only to have tens of contradictory requests anyway. The other half of the time a chef says "This is MY personal ROM configured to MY liking. If you like it and want to use it great, if not don't bother." So I don't see the point of having a teaser. (not that I'm criticizing either style, I respect both. Just no place for teasers.) Besides, I've even seen teasers that NEVER get anywhere past that.
If you cooked your own ROM and you like it, chances are someone else will too. If you're bringing in the latest stuff from whatever device you ported it, that's exciting. If you're just announcing your intentions, well you haven't really done anything have you?
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+1 completely agree with you.
Just for an example NRG is missing for the last few days however couple of days back he had posted a lot teaser pics on what he is working on. So every one knows that something big is coming next and anxiously waiting for it even though there is no release date.
I do fine a little useless to teasers without any pics and without a release date but like others said in this thread, i will just ignore it and move on and probably wont be coming back to those threads.
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very true but even those have screen shots
Knumb said:
Get over it.......Don't read the post then.....I agree with Farmer ted; it's like a teaser and keeps you interested. Just my 2 cents...
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but some teaser should have more than " look i know how to use my camera " movies...i understand some people can use a kicthen but damn clone roms is what ill call them
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IMO, They are the chefs let them determine how to set up the menu. I would rather see a placeholder with what they may be including on it to decide whether or not i will flash it. They could be worse, the threads would look like howardforums threads.
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and most of the people doing this constantly have to tweak there roms every day
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No bro, it's not you. Those empty threads always make me think "why didn't this guy wait til he actually had something?" It is a waste of time and more importantly space on the first page of the forum. I personally always rate those threads low. I'm not recommending everyone do the same, but the option is there.
Half the time we hear a chef ask "tell me what you want" only to have tens of contradictory requests anyway. The other half of the time a chef says "This is MY personal ROM configured to MY liking. If you like it and want to use it great, if not don't bother." So I don't see the point of having a teaser. (not that I'm criticizing either style, I respect both. Just no place for teasers.) Besides, I've even seen teasers that NEVER get anywhere past that.
If you cooked your own ROM and you like it, chances are someone else will too. If you're bringing in the latest stuff from whatever device you ported it, that's exciting. If you're just announcing your intentions, well you haven't really done anything have you?
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this is exactly what i am saying but in better words ...kudos to you my friend.....there honestly should just be a teaser section
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very true but even those have screen shots
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but some teaser should have more than " look i know how to use my camera " movies...i understand some people can use a kicthen but damn clone roms is what ill call them
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and most of the people doing this constantly have to tweak there roms every day
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this is exactly what i am saying but in better words ...kudos to you my friend.....there honestly should just be a teaser section
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That was a quadruple post - learn to multi-quote, friend .
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That was a quadruple post - learn to multi-quote, friend .
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i knew i was going to get blasted for that i deserved it
but i do understand every ones look on it , and appreciate the replies ...but i hope this just pushes for more original work and to try to keep in mind that millions could be reading your post i screen shot or a new teaser section with rom info with a good screen shot of where people are going with it
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That was a quadruple post - learn to multi-quote, friend .
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i knew i was going to get blasted for that i deserved it
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First things first. I have always wondered how people quoted multiple times, thanks for giving me the term to search for!
just my .02; I dont have a problem with teasers at all but it does get old when a teaser is posted and nothing comes out for weeks or even months. With all due respect to the Chefs out there that can do alot more than I; If you're that far from release, wait to post the teaser so people dont lose interest by the time it comes out.
I've got thick skin so feel free to throw things.
Watching the forum over the last month I've seen a proliferation of ROMs to the point that I've stopped updating - also partly because my favorite and second favorite teams have stopped putting out new versions. I finally succumbed to the burning urge to try another ROM last night but ended up with buyers "meh."
The ROM environment has become so fragmented that it's hard to know what the advantage of ROM a is over ROM b other than appearance.
A comment from one of the ROM makers brought the problem into sharp focus. "I've renamed my ROM because I didn't know one of my team members already had a ROM named X."
How can you be part of a "team" and not know what's being produced by that team?
It seems like we've got more themers producing work in the form of full ROMs rather than themes. I've got nothing against themers, I love packages that can completely change the look of my device and I'm always on the lookout for cool new themes.
I'd rather see ROM maintainers and themers working together where the former group produces faster and more reliable ROMs while the latter group produces mods for those ROMs.
Do the two groups just not want to work closely together or are there predominantly just mostly lone wolves working at the ROM/theme level in Android?
Wrong section. Suppose to go in q&a (QUESTIONS and answers)
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I disagree because it's directly applicable to development and is aimed at the developers. It's not a general q/a question
I agree with this. There's no need to make a "rom" if you just change the theme. Just make a theme and zip it up then post it in the themes section. And oh yea I believe people refer to these people as "winzippers".
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OP has a great point about our forum here. Ive really stopped doing anything but for my own use, and with the exception of a few real roms put here, I've watched our Vibrant area here turn into a rom porting paradise, without a lot of original work done by people calling themselves devs. Several of these self proclaimed devs have asked me for help with recent projects, and have then been unable to provide even a simple logcat for diagnosis. If someone cant pull a logcat or understand how to do other basics, you really need to take your time and learn.
It is okay to theme and do little things while you learn, and take the time to put out a quality product, instead of a hurried build thats half broken. We have a slight handful of true devs out here, and a whole bunch of people who want to learn, but seem to be in too much of a hurry to kang others work and not really learn how to build a rom from the ground up. Its a damn shame.
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I agree with Br1cK'd. There are a lot of "devs" lately that seem to be kanging together half broken ROM's. I can't tell you how often lately I've flashed something only to find major bugs, when the OP claims that the ROM is 100 percent working and bug free. It seems that most of the more skilled developers have moved on to newer devices. I'm all for people learning but they need to do a lot of quality control before they post their work on XDA.
are you tryna say my team member ferhanmm that did an error ? whats up with you son?>
But then... what actually constitutes a "Rom".
For as far as I know, according to CM6/7/Miui people, only theirs are truly "Roms", as they are built from ground up.
Everything else is just a themed stock Rom, or improvements to existing Sammy framework. (Which I still love btw)
If there were malicious Roms that are purposely bricking systems, then I would argue for stricter requirements for releases. But as it stands, I think the openness of this forum allows users and developers alike to find what makes them happy.
I just think in general, Rom devs/maintainers get more credit (Thanks button hits?) than purely themers. As there is a feeling that themers kind of "work for" Rom Devs... Which is why people tend to package their work as Roms instead of themes (So their work seems less derivative or what not)
Wrong section, but I agree.
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Br1cK'd said:
OP has a great point about our forum here. Ive really stopped doing anything but for my own use, and with the exception of a few real roms put here, I've watched our Vibrant area here turn into a rom porting paradise, without a lot of original work done by people calling themselves devs. Several of these self proclaimed devs have asked me for help with recent projects, and have then been unable to provide even a simple logcat for diagnosis. If someone cant pull a logcat or understand how to do other basics, you really need to take your time and learn.
It is okay to theme and do little things while you learn, and take the time to put out a quality product, instead of a hurried build thats half broken. We have a slight handful of true devs out here, and a whole bunch of people who want to learn, but seem to be in too much of a hurry to kang others work and not really learn how to build a rom from the ground up. Its a damn shame.
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first of all about the logcat ? did you learn alone ? i guess that if someone ask you, its nno bad to help is it ? because i bet some one showed you...now about the kang, so almost every rom here is a kang right ? almost all roms based on stocks from i9000s and stocks kb1`s isnt it ?... i guess this people have the right to learn, but seems you guys that already know a little dont like to help huh?
I have more than enough mods on my rom to constitute it not being a theme, and I don't know about you but I don't memorize every rom name out there. It sounded similar so I changed it, what's wrong with that? Since 2.2 has already been tweaked to the max I was able to put out a pretty stable version in the first post. Only things I can really do from here are make it more efficient and finish the theme which I plan to do but I just posted it. And it's my first rom so thanks for the encouragement.
I agree, the forum is filling up with "roms" that are just the same rom rethemed over and over and over again. What annoys me most are these self-proclaimed "devs" who take bits and pieces of other people's work and put them together for their own "rom" when they didn't really write any of it. Just take a look at their credits lol... It's a crazy long list.
I don't think there's anything wrong with having multiple ROMs. After all, everyone will like something different.
I think what the OP is saying though is that there are ROMs out there are essentially the same pieces with different theme, or maybe a new lock screen, and whatnot. I think the OP means little additions like that can be part of a theme or the theme & apps forum and could be added to any ROM and doesn't warrant releasing a new ROM under a new name and new dev.
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I agree, the forum is filling up with "roms" that are just the same rom rethemed over and over and over again. What annoys me most are these self-proclaimed "devs" who take bits and pieces of other people's work and put them together for their own "rom" when they didn't really write any of it. Just take a look at their credits lol... It's a crazy long list.
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as my partner said above, hell son you dont undestand, everybody uses tweaks that are made because there is no need to redo it...name me any rom you have created ? do you know about roms? dont be stupid
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I don't think there's anything wrong with having multiple ROMs. After all, everyone will like something different.
I think what the OP is saying though is that there are ROMs out there are essentially the same pieces with different theme, or maybe a new lock screen, and whatnot. I think the OP means little additions like that can be part of a theme or the theme & apps forum and could be added to any ROM and doesn't warrant releasing a new ROM under a new name and new dev.
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+1
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I did my first root about two month ago. Since then I have tried about 20 various roms or updates to them. I tried one last week that seemed to be a copy from an established developer. The other team got really pissy and used alot of immature slang when confronted. I will no longer use any roms from them. I agree that people should learn from the ground up before posting roms and stop the plagiarism.
I appreciate the hard work of the legitimate developers on this site.
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I have more than enough mods on my rom to constitute it not being a theme, and I don't know about you but I don't memorize every rom name out there. It sounded similar so I changed it, what's wrong with that? Since 2.2 has already been tweaked to the max I was able to put out a pretty stable version in the first post. Only things I can really do from here are make it more efficient and finish the theme which I plan to do but I just posted it. And it's my first rom so thanks for the encouragement.
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dont pay attentionn to this ppl fer.. day just stupids ... look at thhe quote i made above.. its just stupid, they want us to redo the same **** that is already made... for example.. whats the need to do a gps fix when jellette made one already ? its just stupid
them may be half a$$ed devs but them gotta have donate button
Bosina & Br1cK'd, first, thanks for your input and participation but this thread isn't about helping or not. It's about packing up thematic changes and publishing them as a ROM rather than a theme bundle.
If a group of members wants to debate about newbies not giving as much as they get, please start a new thread.
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as my partner said above, hell son you dont undestand, everybody uses tweaks that are made because there is no need to redo it...name me any rom you have created ? do you know about roms? dont be stupid
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this dude ha ha shut up im trying to read and your comments are unnecessary and full of hate and You act like You are a Big Time developer who dont take s**t from anyone , go smoke something and relax , i dont see Team Whisky complain or Eugene, just You big time savior .
But if the teams join there will be more people to split the donation money between so maybe thats why people stay separate ?
Well well well....we asked for S-off/root and we got it. Within hours the ROMs flooded the dev page.
I loved this phone from the minute I got it. ROMs are making it better. CM7 and MIUI are coming at which point I will probably run around my neighborhood in my skivvies screaming about it.
I have one gripe though. Why are there SOOOO many ROMs? I know everyone wants to get their hands dirty at doing dev work. It makes you the cool kid on the block, and there's a good chance that if you put one on XDA, CheesyNutz will flash it at least once.
I feel like the ROMs are too hard to choose from because most of them are similar, with some being almost exactly the same with minor differences.
This is what I propose. First of all, maybe someone with more ambition than me (read: anyone) could put together a comparison chart of all the ROMs based on the features they have. Using that data, maybe some of the devs that have similar direction/are trying to achieve the same thing can collaborate.
The way I see it, there will be less confusion on the development page, with better ROMs that have more options.
TL;DR - Devs need to collab. on ROMs to reduce clutter and improve ROMs
Oh God. You're not seriously *****ing about too many choices are you?
there is an insane amount of roms, lol most of them offer alot of the same things..but I say, the more roms...THE BETTER!!!!!
Variety is the spice of life...
So you complain about having to look through the ROMs that people develop for your phone (for free) you want a chart made with all the comparisons of those free ROMs but you want somebody else to do it for you? What's wrong with this picture?
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So you complain about having to look through the ROMs that people develop for your phone (for free) you want a chart made with all the comparisons of those free ROMs but you want somebody else to do it for you? What's wrong with this picture?
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This. +1.
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OP I think you should give your EVO 3D to somebody on XDA and go get yourself an iPhone.
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Well well well....we asked for S-off/root and we got it. Within hours the ROMs flooded the dev page.
I loved this phone from the minute I got it. ROMs are making it better. CM7 and MIUI are coming at which point I will probably run around my neighborhood in my skivvies screaming about it.
I have one gripe though. Why are there SOOOO many ROMs? I know everyone wants to get their hands dirty at doing dev work. It makes you the cool kid on the block, and there's a good chance that if you put one on XDA, CheesyNutz will flash it at least once.
I feel like the ROMs are too hard to choose from because most of them are similar, with some being almost exactly the same with minor differences.
This is what I propose. First of all, maybe someone with more ambition than me (read: anyone) could put together a comparison chart of all the ROMs based on the features they have. Using that data, maybe some of the devs that have similar direction/are trying to achieve the same thing can collaborate.
The way I see it, there will be less confusion on the development page, with better ROMs that have more options.
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Yeah i dont think people have more ambition than you since no one else is complainin' lol
The more devs on our device the better.
you gotta remember for a lot of the devs what there releasing now is really just a base for what they will be doing as things progress. over time you will start to see every devs individual preferences start to show along with the themes and all the eye candy some devs like.
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right..i just came from the galaxy s 4g on tmobile, and there was literally like 2 roms over there..lol
that's usually what android development is for, to share one another their custom made rom, so no i dont think there are many roms yet, so bring it on!!!
You know what?. people like the OP disgust me. ya Commie..
I bet you think we should all just be happy with 1 ROM to use don'tcha Ruskie?!
Think it's totally ok for us all to just stand in line and wait for our daily allowance of bread, Comrade!?
HUH?!
THIS IS 'MURICA AND WE DON'T TAKE KINDLY TO YOUR TYPE 'ROUND THESE HERE PARTS!!
AAnnyways, I can see your point of view. There are several roms that seem the same right now. it's been barely a week since S-off and it's a very good sign that everyone is wanting to make ROM's, once everyone has their bases done we will see differences pop up, custom themes, ingenious tweaks, etc. Give it some time. The 3D scene is still young.
seriously????....
Im fixin to post my set up soon, so get ready for a phatman ROM. That's one more to the list. Probably the best one ever too.
B l a s p h e m y ! ! !
The more ROMS the Merryer
Theres too many moneys in my wallet gotta be a bad thing
Can't wait phatman it will be the slowest most bloated rom ever
If you don't have an Evo3d well... You ain't got ****e
get bent new guy
I can agree with the OP to an extent. For me, seeing the Dev forum say [ROM] after [ROM] after [ROM] is a bit overwhelming for me. But, it's just like any other free market. You're confronted with 40 brands of hot sauce, and damn, that's a lot, but you try one, see how it is, and choose based on that. The bonus of all of these ROMs is that A), they're available online, so you don't have to drive to the store, and B), they're free.
Just my 2 fiat cents.
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there are some big names here that never released a Rom for the Amaze
what happened ???
I am wondering the same thing. They are really good devs.
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Let's PM them and ask..?
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Let's PM them and ask..?
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good idea
I wouldn't want to develop for this impatient community. Noobs posting like cockroaches, nobody wants to research, ETA requests from degenerates, everyone's an expert but no one knows anything.
Say what u want about Xboarder, but he hit the nail on the head when he left. It's bull**** here. Moderators backed off/out, devs don't want to do anything here. I said it before ics and s=off.. the community is slowing development, and is the reason for the lack of devs.
I don't want to really post here any more. A few of the original Amaze members stuck around, but even they are fed up. My inbox gets 5-10 PMs per day. Usually from a noob I never heard of asking me to hold his hand.
I hate to say it like this, but WAAAAY too many spoiled little kids own this phone... Hence the childish community.
Good luck getting insertcoin, or ANY working CM9/AOSP ROMs. This community is full of Kangers and themers who can copy/paste/edit files and because they spend a lot of time doing it, they think they're devs.
I mean really, most devs here are not devs, they are senior members. Not even recognized as Recognized Contributors, just senior members. Lol.
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I wouldn't want to develop for this impatient community. Noobs posting like cockroaches, nobody wants to research, ETA requests from degenerates, everyone's an expert but no one knows anything.
Say what u want about Xboarder, but he hit the nail on the head when he left. It's bull**** here. Moderators backed off/out, devs don't want to do anything here. I said it before ics and s=off.. the community is slowing development, and is the reason for the lack of devs.
I don't want to really post here any more. A few of the original Amaze members stuck around, but even they are fed up. My inbox gets 5-10 PMs per day. Usually from a noob I never heard of asking me to hold his hand.
I hate to say it like this, but WAAAAY too many spoiled little kids own this phone... Hence the childish community.
Good luck getting insertcoin, or ANY working CM9/AOSP ROMs. This community is full of Kangers and themers who can copy/paste/edit files and because they spend a lot of time doing it, they think they're devs.
I mean really, most devs here are not devs, they are senior members. Not even recognized as Recognized Contributors, just senior members. Lol.
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while i agree with you on this. i think with any phone now there will be people *****ing if you dont have fast development. its just how XDA/the internet is getting lol. i remember back in the mytouch/g1 days when people were cool and got along
glacierguy said:
I wouldn't want to develop for this impatient community. Noobs posting like cockroaches, nobody wants to research, ETA requests from degenerates, everyone's an expert but no one knows anything.
Say what u want about Xboarder, but he hit the nail on the head when he left. It's bull**** here. Moderators backed off/out, devs don't want to do anything here. I said it before ics and s=off.. the community is slowing development, and is the reason for the lack of devs.
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Lol ...and you think its just the forums here.... its the whole freaking society heading to exactly what you said.
Spoiled fuking punks.
Technology moving forward, society moving sideways, maybe a little backwards.... gl dude, I feel ya with what you are saying, you leaving is a loss, considering you actually contributed here, and didn't just post comments.
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Damn, im patient and busted my ass off at a craphole of a job to get this phone, but hey. Im happy with what i got and can wait for features that others are dying for. If we want things, then maybe we should learn ourselves. guess i got the wrong phone huh. Well guys, Were not all spoiled.
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glacierguy said:
I wouldn't want to develop for this impatient community. Noobs posting like cockroaches, nobody wants to research, ETA requests from degenerates, everyone's an expert but no one knows anything.
Say what u want about Xboarder, but he hit the nail on the head when he left. It's bull**** here. Moderators backed off/out, devs don't want to do anything here. I said it before ics and s=off.. the community is slowing development, and is the reason for the lack of devs.
I don't want to really post here any more. A few of the original Amaze members stuck around, but even they are fed up. My inbox gets 5-10 PMs per day. Usually from a noob I never heard of asking me to hold his hand.
I hate to say it like this, but WAAAAY too many spoiled little kids own this phone... Hence the childish community.
Good luck getting insertcoin, or ANY working CM9/AOSP ROMs. This community is full of Kangers and themers who can copy/paste/edit files and because they spend a lot of time doing it, they think they're devs.
I mean really, most devs here are not devs, they are senior members. Not even recognized as Recognized Contributors, just senior members. Lol.
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Agree with this whole heartedly.
I have spent the last year or so on this forum, researching my old phone G2 and my current phone Amaze. Just 1 month ago i finally built the courage to root & S-OFF my G2, loaded up recovery and a rom. I went detail by detail on this forum, every question i thought of i hit the search bar and walla, someone else had the same issue and it was resolved instantly. So 2 weeks ago i decided to root my Amaze and S-Off using the juopunutbear tool. I read for 2 straight days and in my modding infancy i made some mistakes, But as i returned to reading, i was able to make whatever wrong i had right. No needs to making new threads or pm'ing anyone. It's a shame people are to lazy to do the simple things that are required on this forum.
Just wanna say a huge thanks to all the helpfull users on these boards, be it devs or just random testers or noobs willing to make mistakes like myself in order to enjoy their phone to the fullest extent.
glacierguy said:
I wouldn't want to develop for this impatient community. Noobs posting like cockroaches, nobody wants to research, ETA requests from degenerates, everyone's an expert but no one knows anything.
Say what u want about Xboarder, but he hit the nail on the head when he left. It's bull**** here. Moderators backed off/out, devs don't want to do anything here. I said it before ics and s=off.. the community is slowing development, and is the reason for the lack of devs.
I don't want to really post here any more. A few of the original Amaze members stuck around, but even they are fed up. My inbox gets 5-10 PMs per day. Usually from a noob I never heard of asking me to hold his hand.
I hate to say it like this, but WAAAAY too many spoiled little kids own this phone... Hence the childish community.
Good luck getting insertcoin, or ANY working CM9/AOSP ROMs. This community is full of Kangers and themers who can copy/paste/edit files and because they spend a lot of time doing it, they think they're devs.
I mean really, most devs here are not devs, they are senior members. Not even recognized as Recognized Contributors, just senior members. Lol.
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so you call all of us fake devs? just because alot of us dont know how to build from source very well doesnt mean were not real devs! its called theming, a different kind of dev. and along with theming, you make mods to roms.
you sir got your definition of a kang wrong. and people that ask eta's are just eager for the devs awesomeness to show. (it should make the devs happy that there work is at least wanted... if you dont like eta's, ignore the user)
as for pm's, just ignore it or answer it. the choice is yours lol. the community gives to you, you give back to the community. even if it means answering back to a pm. i've gotten pm's from users with questions about rooting the amaze. instead of pushing them away, i helped them.
glacierguy said:
I wouldn't want to develop for this impatient community. Noobs posting like cockroaches, nobody wants to research, ETA requests from degenerates, everyone's an expert but no one knows anything.
Say what u want about Xboarder, but he hit the nail on the head when he left. It's bull**** here. Moderators backed off/out, devs don't want to do anything here. I said it before ics and s=off.. the community is slowing development, and is the reason for the lack of devs.
I don't want to really post here any more. A few of the original Amaze members stuck around, but even they are fed up. My inbox gets 5-10 PMs per day. Usually from a noob I never heard of asking me to hold his hand.
I hate to say it like this, but WAAAAY too many spoiled little kids own this phone... Hence the childish community.
Good luck getting insertcoin, or ANY working CM9/AOSP ROMs. This community is full of Kangers and themers who can copy/paste/edit files and because they spend a lot of time doing it, they think they're devs.
I mean really, most devs here are not devs, they are senior members. Not even recognized as Recognized Contributors, just senior members. Lol.
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I will see to it that we get working AOSP me and the tiamat dev are discussing gsm and ill fix it I promise. Sooner or later we will have it but I agree with everything else though
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death4u said:
I have spent the last year or so on this forum, researching my old phone G2 and my current phone Amaze. Just 1 month ago i finally built the courage to root & S-OFF my G2, loaded up recovery and a rom. I went detail by detail on this forum, every question i thought of i hit the search bar and walla, someone else had the same issue and it was resolved instantly. So 2 weeks ago i decided to root my Amaze and S-Off using the juopunutbear tool. I read for 2 straight days and in my modding infancy i made some mistakes, But as i returned to reading, i was able to make whatever wrong i had right. No needs to making new threads or pm'ing anyone. It's a shame people are to lazy to do the simple things that are required on this forum.
Just wanna say a huge thanks to all the helpfull users on these boards, be it devs or just random testers or noobs willing to make mistakes like myself in order to enjoy their phone to the fullest extent.
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15 months, 1 post, and this guy has it figured out. he should be a role model for all! unfortunately, the people that need to see this post are too busy creating new threads and asking silly questions
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15 months, 1 post, and this guy has it figured out. he should be a role model for all! unfortunately, the people that need to see this post are too busy creating new threads and asking silly questions
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We should all link that post to them lol
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I agree most with hasoon.... That said....
. The organisation here is atrocious...
The 5 step perfect how to walk through for any major topic is on Page 67 and never linked back to the op and takes 18 continuous hours of reading through misinformation to find... At which time you're exhausted and at roughly the highest level of doubt possible..
Roms ate not dated in the op or heading
Virtually nothing is stickied AND closed immediately
Chagelogs look like government cost justification spreadsheets...
Go look at the hd2 or even back to the HTC elf (touch)..
Ive been at this since the ipaq... This is by far the most impossible to discern community sub segment yet... I WILL agree their are a lot of princess's here... But I will ADMIT even I wont do crap yet till I DONT have to sort through 1200 posts to find what should be stickied at the top of the Page.
I post this as a a moderate between desperate nubes who don't deserve flaming AND desperate dev's sick of nubes not spending 18 hours doing what should be 5 minutes of searching.
The search function in the amaze area is almost pointless... We need 20 sticks at the top of the development forum with 3 posts then LOCK IT!!
I just re-read this and it sounds way harsher than what I wanted.. So.. Hugs and kisses to all!!..
Hope that helps!??
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ziggy46 said:
so you call all of us fake devs? just because alot of us dont know how to build from source very well doesnt mean were not real devs!
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Yes it does. Sorry, but theming doesn't make you a true dev. Its the difference between being a medical assistant and a doctor. Sure some medical assistants, have great knowledge... but doesn't make them a doctor.
You can be a great themer, hell even the best... but it doesn't make you a dev.
If you don't understand what you are doing and you are just doing it, you're not really a developer
And this is not a bad thing. Lot of great themers, and props to them for being as such.
This of course is just imho, not trying to flame you or anyone else.
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ok lets stop with this back and forth crap and get back on topic, hmm?
ive stopped posting in this forum too, cuz i was sick of all the pm's, being a lurker is much easier, so its hard to blame any of those devs for never making a rom for us. all we can do is ask nicely and hope for the best.
glacierguy, you probably wont be reading this, but if you are, i want to thank you for putting up with all the crap you had to put up with, and for your sake i hope one day we can come up with a browser extension that magnifies the search button x9000.
eclipze, thank you too, for creating speedrom and allowing me to use it as a base for my own, which i never released, because you beat me to the aosp punch although i may have possibly found a way to get aosp contacts/phone working!!! ill pm you with details tomorrow
now then, how will we go about asking all those great devs to come back? a petition? (not a come back now one, but a please come back one) i dont think multiple pm's will work, only piss em off.
ideas?
or maybe we could start a thread and pm them and have them post in it?
or maybe i just posted this to bump the thread? im not too sure yet...
I guess we lost our best dev
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25869655
he is working on miui aokp and more lol XD
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glacierguy said:
I wouldn't want to develop for this impatient community. Noobs posting like cockroaches, nobody wants to research, ETA requests from degenerates, everyone's an expert but no one knows anything.
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I mean really, most devs here are not devs, they are senior members. Not even recognized as Recognized Contributors, just senior members. Lol.
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Well, I agree with you about nobody wanting to do the legwork of research, and also I see a lot of jerk-faces..
and in no way am I trying to argue, you've been a cool guy, one of the few members still here that I respect..
..but in defense of those "not devs", it is really hard to tell the difference. Where/how does a dev start? I didn't really like the community of my last phone, the vibrant, and it had plenty of development so there was never much point for me to trying to learn with that-- but the amaze needs devs, and with the release of ICS on a phone I find to be awesome, I finally want to learn.
Thus far all I have released is just a remix of other people's work, and one jar file barely modified to get beats to work-- but I am trying to find challenges and a good starting point for going from a "not-dev" to something more. I mean, the people who ARE developers had to start somewhere right? The hard part is figuring out where/how.
Right now I am trying to learn how to either: make a proper port(which requires some pretty heavy knowledge to properly integrate kernels, bootclasspaths, etc), or contribute to aosp(actually build it, fix it, make changes to git, etc), port something like leedroid tweaks(requires lots of compiling/decompiling, modification of everything, etc).. I'm just trying to figure out which would help give me the best experience to help me move on to even BIGGER things.
I guess I'm just saying that because not everyone is just trying to kang other people's work, but has to use that as part of the process for getting to something more their own! I had no doubt I could put together some awesome flashables that would be 100% problem free(based on other work, with proper credit given), that is the only reason I've offered it, but I am trying to take that next step!
As far as leaving these forums and xboarder.. I get frustrated by these forums too, but I can't say I can respect many of xboarder's actions. I know he is young, and probably 99% of the issues I see are related to that- but if I learn something that I think others could use I would share it. If I could work openly with other people I would. If the community would be better served by me doing something WITH others I would do it in a heartbeat. But he liked to get offended by people who didn't matter, he wouldn't set aside his differences to work with other people doing the same thing because he would rather prove he can do it without them-- the way he was trying to do things is just as counter productive(IMHO) to the "open source" community as all of these noobs clogging up the pipes that are chasing away members who WANT to contribute!
I'm curious about two devs who had enough money donated to them that they could buy an amaze(and maybe even more), who released ONE rom, and haven't been seen/heard from again.. I didn't have much to contribute(broke ass college student), but I was looking forward to seeing them do more work.
And to someone who posted before me talking about the lack of organization- I agree fully- I think this is a BIG reason why so many noobs are clogging up threads and inboxes-- but isn't that usually solved by good contributors and a good mod?
I love XDA and I respect the mods, but I think the ban on "which is the best ROM" threads is horsesh**t.
Members should be allowed to ask silly questions, especially in general. And I, for one, don't think there is a problem with most "which rom is best" threads. I say "most" because I do agree that some contributors to those threads don't cite specific reasons as to why one rom is better than another. They just post stuff like "GINGERBLURB IS KING." I hate that, but for every one of those posts, there are two or three from people who cite specific reasons why they prefer a rom.
Yes, it'd be nice to try out every rom for myself, but I can't. Just like I can't taste every food out there. For the most part, I have to depend on word of mouth and reviews. That's reality.
But SCREW all of these reasons. The WORST part of this ban is something that has been happening little by little in rom development threads. More and more, members are becoming ruder and ruder to developers in the threads, asking "WHAT'S SO SPECIAL ABOUT YOUR ROM" and "WHAT DID YOU SPECIFICALLY CONTRIBUTE ASIDE FROM THESE TWEAKS". And developers are being hassled with replying to those posts, instead of developing. Yes, this has always happened, but it's gotten worse. And my guess is that it has to do with users not being able to ask the simple question of "Which rom is best" or "Why is this rom any good?"
These are questions that only other users can answer.
Unless the silly ban is lifted or there is the creation of a new forum titled "Extra Stupid General Discussion," this problem is going to worsen.
look this topic has arised again.... i am not offefnding... let me give a simple explanation... roms are not foods.... and at the moment there are nt so much varitety of rom(compared to foods) that you can not ttry them all .... you eat food daily... try out roms every weeks or so... you have your backed up data :cyclops:
now for the reason of the ban..
people develop.. people mod and release roms... we spent day and nights to give out somethin new... and somethin nice... the best we can do.... after all our hardwork... when some1 says that this/that rom sucks or is not good enough..... hw will the maker of the rom feel?
have you ever thought about that....?
and while releasing roms ... the makers.. give the detail what all is in the rom..... along with screen shots... that info is more then enough to understand what is in the rom.. !!!
i am not offending any1 or neither you... this is the reason behind it.... i was before also said not to explain all this.... but still iwould like to make this alot clear... so ppl understand...
i hope ppl dnt criticize anymore about any rom... :good: :fingers-crossed:
Agree with person above
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I agree with wktra!!
Since we cant stop each and every person all the time.. lets make one sticky thread including a poll in General Section. Atleast every new member can see and understand which rom is good for him and which is the most recommended Rom in the forum.
This way.. noobs wont make new threads asking about the best Roms.
This should be implemented in every forum.. even senior members are sometimes new to some Forum.. and wants to know which rom is the most popular there.
you still dont get it do you.. ? ... pls think about what has been said.... rather posting negative comments about some1's certain rom... :fingers-crossed:
I appreciate the developers time and effort however if I want a ROM that has TV out enabled and your ROM doesn't have that then I dont want to use your ROM. Its not a bad ROM your not a bad developer. It just doesn't fit my needs at the time.
Its not OK to write things like such and such ROM sucks. But saying one is the best shouldn't be discouraging. Esp if reasons are given. Ie lags theme chooser partition layout ram settings whatever it might be.
If you can back up your statement with facts I dont see how anyone can be offended
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Every ROM is different from a person to another... for example, I am more the type of oxygen user... I prefer simplicity... however, I use gingerDX (which no user will suggest because it isn't so popular, but really good and much more stable than "stable" official CM7)
So why ruin some work of a small developer by only using what everyone else uses? (This is an analogy with video games next)
If you ask someone what game you should play, they will say "diablo 3, of course"(which will make you pay the game + tons of other money because it is pay to win) but no one will tell you "path of exile" which is a small NZL company who did an awesome game...
Another analogy would be me playing WoW... I love archer, but in WoW I have a warlock... and since wow has no "archer/ranger/bowman style/blahblah with a bow" class, I wanted a warlock, cuz I love how warlock sounds and since then I only play summoner classes in all games (the kind with a minion following you)
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I think that we should have dedicated threads where there is a discussion about ROMs and the pros/cons and stability for each one. Users should be able to have a dedicated place where it's nothing but discussion about why they like certain ROMs and why they don't.
I own an Optimus V and I am on a port of GTR, which I love. I didn't like BACKside, not because it was a bad ROM, but because I always had bad luck with md5 verification for it, and such.
I don't want developers to feel bad, but I do want users to be informed of the characteristics of each ROM in one, easy place.
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I think that we should have dedicated threads where there is a discussion about ROMs and the pros/cons and stability for each one. Users should be able to have a dedicated place where it's nothing but discussion about why they like certain ROMs and why they don't.
I own an Optimus V and I am on a port of GTR, which I love. I didn't like BACKside, not because it was a bad ROM, but because I always had bad luck with md5 verification for it, and such.
I don't want developers to feel bad, but I do want users to be informed of the characteristics of each ROM in one, easy place.
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The hole point of the general discussion forum is that of your reply
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Agree with the 2nd post too much of spamming and less chance for devs to improve themselves coz only popular ROMs will top the charts and everybody will use it.
So this way is better.Every ROM get a chance.
Plus I think u should spend sometime reading the ROM threads to get an idea about it.There are enough information about it in them.
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The truth is that there is no such best ROM, because what others prefer might not be your choice, the idea for the sticky post is good, we can put our observations there and conclude the best ROM(s) in various categories like gaming, daily use, eye candy, bugfee (Stock ROMs) :silly: this will reduce newbies making useless threads in general section..
There is no best rom. We should try out the roms first and see what suits us. It also apply to food. And i always say no pain no gain.
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allenwalker1998 said:
There is no best rom. We should try out the roms first and see what suits us. It also apply to food. And i always say no pain no gain.
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Quote,try all rom ics/jb and gb
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exactly guyz... who still dont get it... understand.... what if you make an assignment for which you have spent heavy days and nights... and the day when you submit... in front of all... the teacher insults saying that its not good enough... ...
its a kind of feeling that you get that you are being insulted...saying this rom sucks and that rom is awesome and all ... needs vary from person to person...
i hope everybody understands.. :fingers-crossed::good:
Its wrong to insult someone's work. But to continue your own analogy. The teacher has a set criteria for grading your project that was provided to you. No one provides what is needed for a rom , you make it you decide what you want to put into it. If it doesn't meet the criteria that I need im not going to use your ROM and I dont think its wrong for me to write about my experience with it.
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Its wrong to insult someone's work. But to continue your own analogy. The teacher has a set criteria for grading your project that was provided to you. No one provides what is needed for a rom , you make it you decide what you want to put into it. If it doesn't meet the criteria that I need im not going to use your ROM and I dont think its wrong for me to write about my experience with it.
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Now if you dont like the rom, try tweaking it to ur taste.that is why u have root access and recovery.
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agree with allen... :good: ... we spend days and nights .... and still you want your stuff in it.. then try learning and customize it to your need.. :fingers-crossed: ..
to everyone.
sweetnsour has made a thread dedicated to discussions about which rom is better for you.
General Discussion
The roms aren't very updated as of now, but if you would PM or post in the thread, he will do it.
Just to be clear here. I am trying to learn. I finally got a dedicated machine for Linux and am trying to repo all the files I need.
However if your ROM doesn't suit my needs. I won't use it. And I stick by that its OK for me to say so.
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You are getting everything here for FREE !!
You are not paying devs so stop complaining. If you dont like some roms.. wipe everything and DELETE that rom.. try another.. BUT dont complain or even express your dislikes . Because indirectly discouraging him. Instead.. you can appreciate his/her work by pay or words and suggest them to add other features AS PER YOUR NEED.
Remember someone is lending his / her things to you for free. You cant tell them even if you dont like it!!