Hi there, I have been reading around on this forum for some time now but this is my first post and I have a few questions about rooting my UK version of the Galaxy S3.
Just to clarify, I am NOT asking how to root a phone, I already know exactly how to do this and the risks involved etc etc, I just want to know a couple of things about what happens after the root.
1. When a nandroid backup is performed after the phone is rooted, is ROM that is backed up COMPLETELY standard or does it have some remains of the root included? i.e. if I wanted to go back to my stock ROM, will it be exactly as it was or will the phone still have some remains of the root in the backup?
2. Does rooting on its own increase the flash counter? I know flashing a new ROM does, but am unsure whether rooting on its own does this (and yes, I am already aware of TriangleAway )
3. In referance to question 1, does reflashing a completely stock ROM remove the root access? (just in case it has to go back for repairs etc).
4. After rooting does anything change with the stock functions of the phone? e.g. will play store still work ok, will apps still update officially through play store etc. Adding to this, will flashing a custom ROM disable these functions? (the ROM I am possibly looking to install is CM)
Thanks in advance to anyone that can help, I understand a couple of these may be stupid questions but I've searched for a long time and as this will be my first root I just want to be absolutely sure what the process involves
paul911 said:
Hi there, I have been reading around on this forum for some time now but this is my first post and I have a few questions about rooting my UK version of the Galaxy S3.
Just to clarify, I am NOT asking how to root a phone, I already know exactly how to do this and the risks involved etc etc, I just want to know a couple of things about what happens after the root.
1. When a nandroid backup is performed after the phone is rooted, is ROM that is backed up COMPLETELY standard or does it have some remains of the root included? i.e. if I wanted to go back to my stock ROM, will it be exactly as it was or will the phone still have some remains of the root in the backup?
2. Does rooting on its own increase the flash counter? I know flashing a new ROM does, but am unsure whether rooting on its own does this (and yes, I am already aware of TriangleAway )
3. In referance to question 1, does reflashing a completely stock ROM remove the root access? (just in case it has to go back for repairs etc).
4. After rooting does anything change with the stock functions of the phone? e.g. will play store still work ok, will apps still update officially through play store etc. Adding to this, will flashing a custom ROM disable these functions? (the ROM I am possibly looking to install is CM)
Thanks in advance to anyone that can help, I understand a couple of these may be stupid questions but I've searched for a long time and as this will be my first root I just want to be absolutely sure what the process involves
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1. Whe you perform a nandroid backup..everything gets backedup..if you are on a rooted rom when doing a backup (you have to be rooted to do this) your rom will have the root when you install the backup again... to remove the root you will have to unroot your device using means given in various thread...you might have to install a stock firmware in download mode using Odin..even the stock ROM you flash via recovery will have root
2. Any action performed in the download mode will increase your flash counter..rooting is done in download mode via Odin so it increases your flash counter..custom roms are flashed in recovery so they dont increase your flash counter..
3. Read point 1 again
4.The functions present after installing a custom ROM depends upon the ROM..read the OP before flashing (ALWAYS)..but if you are not flashing a test ROM..you will get all the fuctions.. in CM9/10 you will get all the google options..you will loose Samsung specific functions..Smart Stay, Smart Beam etc.
Hope it helped...
Thanks for your reply, that helped a lot
Just one more thing in response to your answer about my 1st question - I am currently on the Three network and it comes with a couple of things as standard in the ROM, so is there any way to backup the ROM without being rooted, just in case it has to go back to Three for repair? Or is there somewhere where I can download a completely stock Three branded ROM to keep safe in case I need it in the future?
Thanks
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Google search this mate
Yes there is a Rom to download
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paul911 said:
Thanks for your reply, that helped a lot
Just one more thing in response to your answer about my 1st question - I am currently on the Three network and it comes with a couple of things as standard in the ROM, so is there any way to backup the ROM without being rooted, just in case it has to go back to Three for repair? Or is there somewhere where I can download a completely stock Three branded ROM to keep safe in case I need it in the future?
Thanks
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Cut and Paste Basics
ROM GUIDE and stock rom thread on General or use CHECKFUS to download .
jje
Thanks for replies
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Related
I have just gotten myself a SG2, my first Android device.
I probably wouldn't want to root, at least so early, if it weren't for Root Call Blocker Pro which I want/need to install.
So I wanted to ask a couple of related questions:
1. Is there a way of rooting without losing all the apps + settings? If not, can you recommend a could backup app?
2. Could someone please point me to the EASIEST step-by-step guide on how to root a SG2? I have found a couple of threads but am not sure if they are the most up-to-date/best/most appropriate for a novice.
3. Will I be able to apply the official SG2 updates from Samsung after rooting? (OK, so that was three questions....)
Thanks!
hduty said:
I have just gotten myself a SG2, my first Android device.
I probably wouldn't want to root, at least so early, if it weren't for Root Call Blocker Pro which I want/need to install.
So I wanted to ask a couple of related questions:
1. Is there a way of rooting without losing all the apps + settings?
Should not wipe
If not, can you recommend a could backup app?
Titanium backup Pro.
2. Could someone please point me to the EASIEST step-by-step guide on how to root a SG2? I have found a couple of threads but am not sure if they are the most up-to-date/best/most appropriate for a novice.
Root + CWM the one the majority use .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103399
3. Will I be able to apply the official SG2 updates from Samsung after rooting? (OK, so that was three questions....)
Possible usually .
jje
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hduty said:
2. Could someone please point me to the EASIEST step-by-step guide on how to root a SG2? I have found a couple of threads but am not sure if they are the most up-to-date/best/most appropriate for a novice.
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This is what you need - failsafe
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1126522
Hi everyone. I also have a question regarding stock rom. I know that you'll say I am an idiot but stock rom is deodexed, right?
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Thanks for the replies!
@B3311
Now THAT is detailed!
A follow up question though:
Exactly how does this rooting work under the hood? Why do we need to look for a compatible file that we then use to replace.... what?
Octavius69 said:
Hi everyone. I also have a question regarding stock rom. I know that you'll say I am an idiot but stock rom is deodexed, right?
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Stock rom directly from samsung is odexed.
hduty said:
Thanks for the replies!
@B3311
Now THAT is detailed!
A follow up question though:
Exactly how does this rooting work under the hood? Why do we need to look for a compatible file that we then use to replace.... what?
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Rooting using CF-root replaces the phones kernel (core of the OS) with a modified one, with clockworkmod recovery (nandroid backup, etc), it also includes insecure adb (adb that can run as root not just standard user) and copy's the superuser apk to the system dir and sets permissions.
This is all done via a special initramfs attached to an otherwise stock kernel.
why would you want to root and then use OTA stock roms?
If you find you can't get OTA stock updates after a root (i.e. if Samsung decide to utilise some mad kernel reset counter ban hammer) then simply check XDA where I guarantee the OTA stcks will appear pretty quickly!
Things to consider:
1. Rooting is very very good for numerous reasons that can be found everywhere on XDA - and google.
2. You can replace the kernel for root but continue to use stock rom (and use a jig to replace the reset counters) for pretty much stock functionality.
3. If you root and don't like what you get (i.e. you're mental) then it is just as easy to replace all factory rom/kernel information (which are always available in the original development thread) but you should invest in a jig (from ebay) so you can reset the counters (you can do this via software but I find a jig far simpler).
What JJEgan said.
Rooting won't lose your apps. Titanium Backup Pro is the best way to go.
Install Kies, exit Kies, open Odin, phone in download mode + plug it in, don't touch any of the Odin settings, load "PDA" with chainfire's kernel -> go!
It's really straightforward, but it can be a little nerve wracking the first time.
Thanks a lot guys!
I just rooted, and it "only" took me about 15 min including the downloading of the various files (still way more though than the 30 sec. it should take according to the Chainfire post!! ).
@m4rshall's summary made it clear that the steps are really very few and simple, because when you read the other posts, it seems like a much more complex process due to their size, though they are absolutely necessary to get all the details.
Some follow up questions:
1. What would I need to do if I wanted to the original, factory state?
Not that I'm planning to, but in case I notice some issue that makes me decide to go back (I read in that loooong thread that some people noticed slower connections after rooting??)?
2. From what I've gathered, the yellow exclamation mark at boot is purely "cosmetic" and does not effect in any way at all the performance of the device. Correct?
3. The USB jig: exactly what does it do?? How does it do its magic?? How is it different from a normal cable? Are they only used for Android rooting?
Thanks again!
hduty said:
Thanks a lot guys!
1. What would I need to do if I wanted to the original, factory state?
flash your original rom via odin
Not that I'm planning to, but in case I notice some issue that makes me decide to go back (I read in that loooong thread that some people noticed slower connections after rooting??)?
nonsense
2. From what I've gathered, the yellow exclamation mark at boot is purely "cosmetic" and does not effect in any way at all the performance of the device. Correct?
Yes USB jig will remove it
3. The USB jig: exactly what does it do?? How does it do its magic?? How is it different from a normal cable? Are they only used for Android rooting?
Nothing to do with rooting it was developed to recover from failed download mode .
Details are
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1068522
jje
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Thanks JJEgan!
One last question: I already figured out that superuser lists all apps that have root access. But what does CWM do?
hduty said:
Thanks JJEgan!
One last question: I already figured out that superuser lists all apps that have root access. But what does CWM do?
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Clockworkmod recovery is a replacement recovery, it allows you to preform full device snapshot backups, to allow you to restore your phone to any point in time.
Allows you to flash CWM compatible zips.
Mount your SD to a computer while in recovery to copy things to it.
Hello!
Well, I got my S3 since a week ago, from my local carrier, and what so GREAT phone!!!... but, well as with my previous phones I woulkd like to install something more good custom Rom...
However, I bought my previous phones second hand, so, I was never minded about save the original firmware, since I didnt had a warranty to care about... but my S3 is new on a 2 year plan and I had a minimun 1 year warranty to care, so if I root or install a custom rom without have a backup of my exact local firmware version to reflash I would not have warranty ( and by this same reason no other carrier/country firmware would work as backup for my S3...)
So, I would like to ask if may be possible some help (for noob level, please, since I am somewhat new in Samsung issues ) , in order to what could be a good method make a full local backup of my phone,so since it is no root by now, and I wonder and suppose that if I root, if may be possible that the backup may save the rooted status of my phone and in case of a restore the root status may show that the phone was tweaked...
Thanks in advance for kind attention and help.
Best regards!
Read the forum stickies. Also use the search function to search for "help a noob" as this thread already exist.
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SlimJ87D said:
Read the forum stickies. Also use the search function to search for "help a noob" as this thread already exist.
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well, thanks for take time to read and post, and please dont take me wrong, but, IMO is the type of answer that I often see in other post/forums and IMO barely usefull, but anyway it put me on seaching again, and so, I realize that before I post this thread, I was lost in others posts that didnt have the exactly info, so, Thanks again for take time to answer.
Anyway, I am reading by now, but if may be useful for another noob, seems that Ktools may be the utility for the backup.
Best regards to all!
ok. ill try to help as much as i can besides asking you to search.
1st. you must get rooted using chainfires method. you find the thread under original android development.
2nd. once you have rooted and followed those instructions, you will end with an CWM application in the phone.
3rd. open CWM choose boot to recovery mode.
4th. from there choose backup and restore. then backup. once done your backup will be done and stored in your sd card.
if you are going to restore this phone due to some errors in flashing roms or problems on phone after flashing new stuff its fine.
but if you are talking about warranty claims, you cant do a restore. you need to make sure custom binary counter is already at 0 by using triangleaway from chainfire, then flash a stock firmware using odin , then send for warranty claim.
I got one question that no has been able to answer.
I'm using stock touchwiz launcher that came with the phone. If I backup with titanium, how do I restore my home screen layout?
I can restore all the apps but the home screen layout doesnt restore.
uf21 said:
I got one question that no has been able to answer.
I'm using stock touchwiz launcher that came with the phone. If I backup with titanium, how do I restore my home screen layout?
I can restore all the apps but the home screen layout doesnt restore.
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You cannot save the layout unfortunately. If you use other 3rd party launchers, they usually have the Back up option..
Surfy89 said:
You cannot save the layout unfortunately. If you use other 3rd party launchers, they usually have the Back up option..
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They say not to restore system data with titanium. Though I seen that touchwiz is backed up in system data. If I restore the touchwiz backup, will that restore my homescreen layout?
uf21 said:
They say not to restore system data with titanium. Though I seen that touchwiz is backed up in system data. If I restore the touchwiz backup, will that restore my homescreen layout?
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Possible but as advised TB restore system your risk .
CWM will not back up you original firmware in full as you now have Rooted phone backed up and you will need to reflash stock kernel .
Simpler to download your original firmware and flash via Odin .
Firmware found in the stock rom threads or via CHECKFUS >
jje
ad_ek said:
ok. ill try to help as much as i can besides asking you to search.
1st. you must get rooted using chainfires method. you find the thread under original android development.
2nd. once you have rooted and followed those instructions, you will end with an CWM application in the phone.
3rd. open CWM choose boot to recovery mode.
4th. from there choose backup and restore. then backup. once done your backup will be done and stored in your sd card.
if you are going to restore this phone due to some errors in flashing roms or problems on phone after flashing new stuff its fine.
but if you are talking about warranty claims, you cant do a restore. you need to make sure custom binary counter is already at 0 by using triangleaway from chainfire, then flash a stock firmware using odin , then send for warranty claim.
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Hi ad_ek!
Well, That's is for sure a polite and really usefull answer! I really appreciate that.
So, Thank You very much for Your help, and your instructions are very clear to my purposes, and by the way, I will search by my own for more info about the steps and resources that You mention, but in fact is a very concise HowTo to follow.
In special I would like to try to study in detail the info on You last comment, about setting binary counter to 0 with triangleaway since until today I didnt know before about triangleaway resource...so, since this detail seems the most important for my purposse, if I would like to have a lifeguard, that may allow recover my carrier stock rom, to a minimun level, that I may have a chance, that may, at least, allow to try a warranty claim if I may need it in the next 2 years...so, wonderfull your help.
Thanks also to the others that are posting about this thread and best regards to all.
xaser66 said:
Hi ad_ek!
Well, That's is for sure a polite and really usefull answer! I really appreciate that.
So, Thank You very much for Your help, and your instructions are very clear to my purposes, and by the way, I will search by my own for more info about the steps and resources that You mention, but in fact is a very concise HowTo to follow.
In special I would like to try to study in detail the info on You last comment, about setting binary counter to 0 with triangleaway since until today I didnt know before about triangleaway resource...so, since this detail seems the most important for my purposse, if I would like to have a lifeguard, that may allow recover my carrier stock rom, to a minimun level, that I may have a chance, that may, at least, allow to try a warranty claim if I may need it in the next 2 years...so, wonderfull your help.
Thanks also to the others that are posting about this thread and best regards to all.
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no worries bro. what are forums for.
to learn more about triangle away. use this link -> TriangleAway v1.70
to learn more about rooting using chainfires method use this link -> [03.07.2012] CF-Root 6.4 - SuperSU+CWM5.5+CWMManager
i would really appreciate it, if you could hit the thanks button on the under left side of my post if i helped. have a good day mate
ad_ek said:
no worries bro. what are forums for.
to learn more about triangle away. use this link -> TriangleAway v1.70
to learn more about rooting using chainfires method use this link -> [03.07.2012] CF-Root 6.4 - SuperSU+CWM5.5+CWMManager
i would really appreciate it, if you could hit the thanks button on the under left side of my post if i helped. have a good day mate
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Excelent! Really good links!... so, Thanks again and for sure I hit button so for Your kind posts!
Best regards to all!
Hi.
First of all, thank you for sharing SO MUCH information on this forum!
Now,
I got my Note last night and I rooted the it using dr.ketan's instructions (http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1329360) with the method #1b... I only rooted it for using orbot and don't feel the need for a custom ROM at the moment. Thus I didn't see the need for following through anymore steps (2 onward). I did make a back EFS and backed up my apps and system settings using titanium after I rooted.
My question is, if I want to unroot, do I simply repeat the rooting process only with the following two files:
UnRoot :
Busybox uninstaller - Flash in recovery
Complete unroot (busybox+Superuser) - Flash in recovery
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or must I find a stock ROM as described here and flash that over my already stock setup. Since I have no interest in custome ROMs/kernels should I worry about anything like bricking or corrupting my phone?
armansoor said:
Hi.
First of all, thank you for sharing SO MUCH information on this forum!
Now,
I got my Note last night and I rooted the it using dr.ketan's instructions (http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1329360) with the method #1b... I only rooted it for using orbot and don't feel the need for a custom ROM at the moment. Thus I didn't see the need for following through anymore steps (2 onward). I did make a back EFS and backed up my apps and system settings using titanium after I rooted.
My question is, if I want to unroot, do I simply repeat the rooting process only with the following two files:
or must I find a stock ROM as described here and flash that over my already stock setup. Since I have no interest in custome ROMs/kernels should I worry about anything like bricking or corrupting my phone?
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Since your already on a completely stock ROM setup just select the completely unroot option once it completes reboot the phone and you should be all set. If your returning your phone to the manufacturer or bringing it in for service then you would want to reflash the stock ROM just to be extra sure they could never tell you were rooted
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Hi, i'm on 4.1.2 and rooted using link2sd and foldermount so I can store apps on the external sd card. If I upgrade to 4.2.2 do I need to unroot first and then root again after flashing the new firmware?
Also i'm assuming i'm going to lose all my game saves etc as I will lose my link2sd and foldermount setups?
My phone is unlocked from the 3 network but still has the 3 network logo on boot up and so I thought if i'm going to have to start afresh I might as well get the stock unbranded S3 rom and get rid of the 3 network branding. I used Galaxsim unlock to unlock the network so i'm assuming I won't lose my network unlock by doing any of the above?
Thanks in advance for any help given.
Sp0oner said:
Hi, i'm on 4.1.2 and rooted using link2sd and foldermount so I can store apps on the external sd card. If I upgrade to 4.2.2 do I need to unroot first and then root again after flashing the new firmware?
Also i'm assuming i'm going to lose all my game saves etc as I will lose my link2sd and foldermount setups?
My phone is unlocked from the 3 network but still has the 3 network logo on boot up and so I thought if i'm going to have to start afresh I might as well get the stock unbranded S3 rom and get rid of the 3 network branding. I used Galaxsim unlock to unlock the network so i'm assuming I won't lose my network unlock by doing any of the above?
Thanks in advance for any help given.
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Just flash any rooted 4.2.2 ROM via custom recovery. You should take a titanium backup and a nandroid backup first. If it flashes without a wipe, you've lost nothing. If you do have to wipe, you can restore using Titanium. The Nandroid is a full system restore incase nothing works.
rootSU said:
Just flash any rooted 4.2.2 ROM via custom recovery. You should take a titanium backup and a nandroid backup first. If it flashes without a wipe, you've lost nothing. If you do have to wipe, you can restore using Titanium. The Nandroid is a full system restore incase nothing works.
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Thanks. As you can tell i'm not up to speed on android rooting as i'm an ex iphone devotee that was good with jailbreaking but i'm new to android rooting really.
If I take an already rooted rom that surely still overwrites my current data as a rom replaces what is already there doesn't it? Can titanium and nandroid backup to pc via usb cable as my 32gb sd card won't have enough room to backup onto as it's heavily used for foldermount and link2sd.
If I wanted a pre rooted 4.2.2 stock rom for the I9300 is that something I can find on this forum to safely download and try? And if for any reasom i'm not happy with it the nandroid backup will restore the phone back to my original rom and setup as if I hadn't changed roms?
Rom and data are different. Please read the link in my signature "read before reading". It should contain everything you need to know (i'm not just saying this because I wrote it, but its really essential).
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rootSU said:
Rom and data are different. Please read the link in my signature "read before reading". It should contain everything you need to know (i'm not just saying this because I wrote it, but its really essential).
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Thank you, again. I have read all that this morning and I am in no rush to change anything as one thing i've learnt from jailbreaking when I first got into it was rushing = ending up in a big mess and panicking you've bricked your device.
I rooted my S3 earlier this year and so I expect I still have all the files and the url of the guide I followed so I can check exactly what it was I did. My flash counter won't reset to zero which really bugged me and again another lesson learnt from doing something without fully checking the consequences.
I'm an IT engineer but all windows based so when it comes to android/linux what I think would be logical pretty much seems to go out the window!
Its always good to hold off and understand before moving forward. Read the thread through a few times.
I'm also a wintel IT engineer but I wanted to get into android development so I've been using Linux at home as my daily driver for 2 years.
If there's ever anything in that thread you want me to put into windows analogies or similes,,just ask in that thread. It will help me expand the thread also
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rootSU said:
Its always good to hold off and understand before moving forward. Read the thread through a few times.
I'm also a wintel IT engineer but I wanted to get into android development so I've been using Linux at home as my daily driver for 2 years.
If there's ever anything in that thread you want me to put into windows analogies or similes,,just ask in that thread. It will help me expand the thread also
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Thanks again. I've been having a play about today and firstly got a titanium backup done for everything and then copied to my laptop. Then got the online version of nandroid backup so no reboot required to take the backup and did a full one of those and copied to my laptop too.
I've checked what root process I followed and it was one posted on the s3 forums using GalaxyS3root which uses a file via odin called CF-Root-SGS3-v6.1.tar. I won't post the link in case it breaks any rules etc. After reading your other post as advised I get the impression i'm not going to be able to reset my flash counter to zero. I have tried triangle away but it doesn't succeed.
As Android 4.3 is out/due out i'm now thinking pointless moving to 4.2.2 and I should wait and got straight to 4.3. Now what I wanted to ask was the following...
If I took titanium backup and then undid all my link2sd and foldermount links and then unrooted would I be able to flash the stock 4.3 rom when available, root it then reset up link2sd and foldermount and restore the titanium backup and have all my apps back to how they were?
I want to get an unmodified samsung rom that is unbranded so I can get rid of my 3 network branding I currently have on boot up. I also want to know if it is possible in anyway to reset the flash counter so I could in theory if unrooted get ota updates.
First question...
If you wipe and manually set up link2sd - when you then restore via titanium everything should be as it was.
You can reset the counter before unrooting. Theres a return-to-stock guide stuck in the "sticky roll-up thread" that covers it. The counter goes up to 1 on boot so the trick is to prevent the boot...
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rootSU said:
First question...
If you wipe and manually set up link2sd - when you then restore via titanium everything should be as it was.
You can reset the counter before unrooting. Theres a return-to-stock guide stuck in the "sticky roll-up thread" that covers it. The counter goes up to 1 on boot so the trick is to prevent the boot...
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Thanks, so the counter can't be cleared permanently for warranty purposes as a reboot will just put it back to 1. So as I have a custom recovery on the phone that went on with the root will that cause issues if I tried to update via official updates?
It can be prevented with an ics bootloader.
Imho its best to stay away from official updates when rooted
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rootSU said:
It can be prevented with an ics bootloader.
Imho its best to stay away from official updates when rooted
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Thanks. An ics bootloader however will just further invalidate the warranty and also prevent stock updates? What I had been getting at with wanting to do stock updates was to unroot first. However now i've got the custom recovery there that in itself makes stock updates an unwise move even with rooting removed?
So with my current setup what is the best method to go to 4.2.2 without using a custom rom?
They check warranty by looking at the information provided in the bootloader. Your warranty is either void or not void. There is no such thing as further invalidation. Its 0 or 1. There is no 2.
There is no "best way" without using a "custom rom". If you want to flash a stock rom, do it. Theres only one way.
By the way, 4.2.2 hasn't been officially released, so you wont be getting stock updates. You'll have to manually keep flashing release via odin until you get one that is official. Then if your csc is wrong, you have to change it (which requires factory reset) and then you will still only get updates over USB if you're rooted.
Don't get me wrong, but that sounds ridiculous to me. I just don't understand any rooted user wanting to do that
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rootSU said:
They check warranty by looking at the information provided in the bootloader. Your warranty is either void or not void. There is no such thing as further invalidation. Its 0 or 1. There is no 2.
There is no "best way" without using a "custom rom". If you want to flash a stock rom, do it. Theres only one way.
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By the way, 4.2.2 hasn't been officially released
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Thanks for the quick reply. I've just read through the link on your thread for returning to stock and unless i've misread it you can actually return to stock even if you have installed a custom recovery/used the auto cf root method of rooting? That's step 16?
Sorry on the invalidating warranty thing, what I meant was that if you use the ics bootloader you fix the triangleaway issue but you are then left with the ics bootloader so your warranty is still invalid.
My mistake on 4.2.2, what's the latest official version as if I plug into kies it tells me there is an update available which i'd wrongly assumed was 4.2.2?
4.1.2 is the latest.
They don't check bootloader version for warranty. They only check download mode.
You can return to stock so long as phone fully boots and usb works. If phone only partially boots, you can't return to stock or reset counter. This is why IMHO its better to have an ics bootloader where counter is always in the reset state
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rootSU said:
You can return to stock so long as phone fully boots and usb works. If phone only partially boots, you can't return to stock or reset counter. This is why IMHO its better to have an ics bootloader where counter is always in the reset state
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OK this has totally lost me now, I need to do some more reading! Also i'm on 4.1.2 yet if I plug into Kies ittells me there is an update available.
Sp0oner said:
OK this has totally lost me now, I need to do some more reading! Also i'm on 4.1.2 yet if I plug into Kies ittells me there is an update available.
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An update won't necessarily update the android version. It will update the Samsung build version. Samsung have probably close to 100 updates on 4.1.2 (globally).
Android is just the base OS. It has Samsung GUI on top of that (and frameworks to support Samsung proprietary features). So Samsung take the android code for 4.1.2 and add all their stuff to it. But they will improve on that over a number of builds. Fixing bugs, addressing performance issues etc.
However, Samsung tend to release new features in line with android base updates too. so if Samsung are working on 4.1.2 and decide, "hey this feature would be cool", they would usually wait for the next android version to release it.
Hope that makes sense
Did that address your confusion?
Or is your confusion about returning to stock?
You return to stock by flashing a full ROM (which includes a bootloader, Android ROM, Recovery, baseband etc) over USB connection to a computer. The phone is put into download mode and flashed. if your USB is faulty, this wont work (obviously).
Before returning to stock, you need to ensure your download mode doesnt show how many times you flashed custom things. You can reset it then flash stock and warranty is fine. However, to reset it, android needs to boot, so if android doesnt boot and counter says more than "0", you've lost warranty, With ICS bootloader, you reset it once and it always says "0", so you are protected if phone doesnt boot.
rootSU said:
An update won't necessarily update the android version. It will update the Samsung build version. Samsung have probably close to 100 updates on 4.1.2 (globally).
Android is just the base OS. It has Samsung GUI on top of that (and frameworks to support Samsung proprietary features). So Samsung take the android code for 4.1.2 and add all their stuff to it. But they will improve on that over a number of builds. Fixing bugs, addressing performance issues etc.
However, Samsung tend to release new features in line with android base updates too. so if Samsung are working on 4.1.2 and decide, "hey this feature would be cool", they would usually wait for the next android version to release it.
Hope that makes sense
Did that address your confusion?
Or is your confusion about returning to stock?
You return to stock by flashing a full ROM (which includes a bootloader, Android ROM, Recovery, baseband etc) over USB connection to a computer. The phone is put into download mode and flashed. if your USB is faulty, this wont work (obviously).
Before returning to stock, you need to ensure your download mode doesnt show how many times you flashed custom things. You can reset it then flash stock and warranty is fine. However, to reset it, android needs to boot, so if android doesnt boot and counter says more than "0", you've lost warranty, With ICS bootloader, you reset it once and it always says "0", so you are protected if phone doesnt boot.
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Thanks for both explanations :good: It was the ics bootloader I was really confused about. I'm in two minds as to change anything, the techy part of me says play with it and learn and understand more about what you've explained but the other side says i've got everything setup perfectly at the moment now I have link2sd and foldermount working and not to risk ruining that setup. I think the only thing i'd notice from 4.2.2 is the access camera from the lock screen feature.
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Thanks for both explanations :good: It was the ics bootloader I was really confused about. I'm in two minds as to change anything, the techy part of me says play with it and learn and understand more about what you've explained but the other side says i've got everything setup perfectly at the moment now I have link2sd and foldermount working and not to risk ruining that setup. I think the only thing i'd notice from 4.2.2 is the access camera from the lock screen feature.
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If you want to continue to use stock.....
1) Backup all your app data with titanium backup (as a precaution)
2) Copy all internal /sdcard data to PC
3) Flash whatever "official" ROM you want via Odin
4) If it doesn't boot, perform factory reset#
5) re root using either cf auto root or framaroot (both do not give custom recovery)
6) Install Titanium backup and restore data.
Its worth noting a factory reset from custom recovery only wipes data and settings. A reset from stock recovery wipes internal /sdcard storage too.
rootSU said:
If you want to continue to use stock.....
1) Backup all your app data with titanium backup (as a precaution)
2) Copy all internal /sdcard data to PC
3) Flash whatever "official" ROM you want via Odin
4) If it doesn't boot, perform factory reset#
5) re root using either cf auto root or framaroot (both do not give custom recovery)
6) Install Titanium backup and restore data.
Its worth noting a factory reset from custom recovery only wipes data and settings. A reset from stock recovery wipes internal /sdcard storage too.
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Thanks again :good: I have CWM installed and when I open CWM Manager I get a message "this version of CWM Manager should be used with CF-CWM v1.1 or newer. It appears you are running a different recovery. Various features have been disabled."
If I boot into recovery at the top it says "CWM-based recovery v5.5.04 :: CF-v1.3"
What effect does any of that have on the above steps?
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Thanks again :good: I have CWM installed and when I open CWM Manager I get a message "this version of CWM Manager should be used with CF-CWM v1.1 or newer. It appears you are running a different recovery. Various features have been disabled."
If I boot into recovery at the top it says "CWM-based recovery v5.5.04 :: CF-v1.3"
What effect does any of that have on the above steps?
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CWM manager is an app to manage CWM. Its pretty pointless. I dont think it works on JB ROMs though.
CWM 5 is old and should be replaced by users who want to continue using a custom recovery.
The flashing stock from Odin process will overwrite any bootloader, recovery, ROM and Baseband. Nothing you have can prevent that.
Hi, I just got an i9300 used at a great price, but after some reading I'm overwhelmed at the amount of guides for it and information. Right now it's on the official stock ROM (latest firmware). I want to restore it to factory settings (it still has some of the previous owner's customizations), and root it so I can remove the useless apps like ChatON.
If I'm using Kies and Odin, would I need to back up the EFS data? Also, if I root, I would have to flash again via Odin? Is there any possibility of devices becoming bricked due to using Odin?
I just want to use the stock ROM with root.
I'm upgrading from an Xperia U, but this phone seems a lot more complicated. With the U I could use flashtool without a care.
I appreciate any help I can get.
iPoo said:
Hi, I just got an i9300 used at a great price, but after some reading I'm overwhelmed at the amount of guides for it and information. Right now it's on the official stock ROM (latest firmware). I want to restore it to factory settings (it still has some of the previous owner's customizations), and root it so I can remove the useless apps like ChatON.
If I'm using Kies and Odin, would I need to back up the EFS data? Also, if I root, I would have to flash again via Odin? Is there any possibility of devices becoming bricked due to using Odin?
I just want to use the stock ROM with root.
I'm upgrading from an Xperia U, but this phone seems a lot more complicated. With the U I could use flashtool without a care.
I appreciate any help I can get.
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(1) ALWAYS backup EFS, doesn't matter what rom or tool you use to root
(2) There is always a chance of bricking a phone, nothing is 100%
(3) Read this and this
(4) After rading, you should be able to answer your questions by yourself, if not dont root or flash.
chrismast said:
(1) ALWAYS backup EFS, doesn't matter what rom or tool you use to root
(2) There is always a chance of bricking a phone, nothing is 100%
(3) Read this and this
(4) After rading, you should be able to answer your questions by yourself, if not dont root or flash.
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Thank you, I understand it a lot better now. I've been reading repetitively. I used kTool to back up the EFS which saved it in two formats (IMG and TAR), I suppose this is good enough or should I use the other tools? I went with kTool because it seemed to be the easiest.
I've rooted and removed bloatware, and I understand when Samsung releases new updates, I would need to flash via Odin and re-root, right?
iPoo said:
I understand when Samsung releases new updates, I would need to flash via Odin and re-root, right?
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General > Sticky roll-up thread (The second link Chrismast gave you) > Understanding the basics before rooting. Your answer is there.