Check this out boys and girls. Approximately 2 months ago I got a new stock battery to replace the original that was causing reboots, which then showed the battery level at 0.
Started using the new battery and the same thing started last week. Reboot, low battery even when it was recently fully charged.
So I put the original in which hadn't been used in 2 months. Blast a full charge, wipe stats. And sure as ****, it works fine.
I almost wonder if it sitting for a spell and not being charged "refreshes" or replenished the life?
I'll keep you updated but thought it was weird.
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Sounds like it's worth a shot...awaiting your results.
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There's something definitely fishy with the amaze. I had 2 of them, and I'd swap batteries with different charges, say one had 80% and one had 40%. After swapping the one amaze would read close to what the other did, within a couple percent, and the other one was way off, like 30% higher, and it would die way before reaching zero. Funny thing it was only the one that did that with a battery swap, so the amaze is just weird when it comes to reading the battery charge.
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There's something definitely fishy with the amaze. I had 2 of them, and I'd swap batteries with different charges, say one had 80% and one had 40%. After swapping the one amaze would read close to what the other did, within a couple percent, and the other one was way off, like 30% higher, and it would die way before reaching zero. Funny thing it was only the one that did that with a battery swap, so the amaze is just weird when it comes to reading the battery charge.
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either the hard ware is the problem, or the firmware/software is problematic... i'm leaning to both
Yep same here for me. My battery stats are honky all the time and its frustrating. Sometimes when its at 20 percent I take the battery out then put it back in and goes up to 54 percent ...what gives?
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nelly_85 said:
Yep same here for me. My battery stats are honky all the time and its frustrating. Sometimes when its at 20 percent I take the battery out then put it back in and goes up to 54 percent ...what gives?
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It's not jstu the stats Nelly. It's the overall performance and the intermittent shut offs. Since putting the "old" battery back in I can report that after 1 week I have had zero shut offs. Battery is giving me about 7 hours on heavy usage.
Cant figure it out.
Definitely leaves me scratching my head at times.
I just started having a similar issue.
For example, I would be checking my email, or checking facebook, then BAM! Phone reboots/shuts off. The battery icon says I have 47% but in ext4 i have 85%. Wipe battery stats in ext4, works fine for like 30min. Same **** starts again.
Going through this everyday since 3days ago.
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ce3jay said:
I just started having a similar issue.
For example, I would be checking my email, or checking facebook, then BAM! Phone reboots/shuts off. The battery icon says I have 47% but in ext4 i have 85%. Wipe battery stats in ext4, works fine for like 30min. Same **** starts again.
Going through this everyday since 3days ago.
using 8.6.12 energy rom
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Have you contacted HTC. Call HTC direct and explain the issue. Ask them to send you a replacement battery. Stay calm, nice and let them know you need a new battery. They will ask you for a credit card to put on file and will tell you to return the old battery. If you dont have a cc ask them to speak with a suprevisor. They can waive the CC requirement if you are polite and don't get into a shouting match. As far as my battery, i am back to my original and it seems to be doing good still. I did have one reboot last week. But that's about it.
ce3jay said:
I just started having a similar issue.
For example, I would be checking my email, or checking facebook, then BAM! Phone reboots/shuts off. The battery icon says I have 47% but in ext4 i have 85%. Wipe battery stats in ext4, works fine for like 30min. Same **** starts again.
Going through this everyday since 3days ago.
using 8.6.12 energy rom
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Well, you can stop wiping battery stats as a step, since it does nothing.. tons of info out there to show this is 100% fact https://www.google.com/search?q=wiping+battery+stats+does+nothing
If the engineer who helped design android isn't a good source, not sure who is.
As for the accuracy of reading the battery, pretty sure everyone has this issue.. someone recently posted something about the sensor being low quality, but who knows.
Apart from having reboots(which is an issue likely unrelated to battery except for maybe the OP), if you know your battery has 20%, but after a reboot it says you have more/less.. why does this matter, you know you have 20% worth of life left.
As for the OP, you may want to try flashing the stock RUU as there may be a serious problem with your system files, and flashing the RUU in the bootloader is the quickest way to know that EVERYTHING has flashed properly. Instructions in the bible in my signature.
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Apart from having reboots(which is an issue likely unrelated to battery except for maybe the OP), if you know your battery has 20%, but after a reboot it says you have more/less.. why does this matter, you know you have 20% worth of life left.
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It matters to me. A few times the battery icon/widget says 0 and the phone shuts off. I use the Vol and Power to get into recovery, and it says 20% or whatever it may be. Sure, I know it has 20%, but the OS detects it at 0 and shuts off.
I just remembered, a day or two before my initial post, my battery became super hot. I remember this because, I had the phone in my pocket, and it got really hot. Battery monitor widget reported the temp at 129 deg F. I guess the battery is shot.
I already ordered 2 anker batteries w/the wall charger.
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I already ordered 2 anker batteries w/the wall charger.
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I had the same issue about a month ago. Since receiving my Ankers no problems at all. On top of that 18-24 hours on a single battery is a pretty amazing perk for a $25 purchase
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Just got my ankers in last night. Gonna test for the next few days. I'll post my results
EDIT: 9.05.12 0250hrs
Been testing out the batteries extensively. OC'ing, flashing roms, backing and restoring in ext4, netflix, games, and LOTS of data lol. No random shutoffs as of yet.
I'm on Bulletproof 2.5 and after unplugging my Amaze, it stays at 100% (or whatever % i unplugged it at) for 10-30 minutes then my battery goes down by 2% increments and sometimes it hangs around at a random % for about 15 minutes and then continues its 2% increments again. Does any one have a similar issue? Is there a fix since wiping battstats does nothing.
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Me and my wife have both an amaze. Her phone started to do the same thing and a couple of weeks after hers mine started. Since I'm an electronic technician I knew there has to be a problem with the connection on the battery. After inspecting the batteries I noticed that the four connections on both batteries had deep marks on them. To fix them, I used a small flat screwdriver and using the flat side scratched the four connections until the deep marks where mostly gone. It's been 3 months since I did that on both batteries and the problem hasn't come back. FYI the two connections on both ends are the + and - and the ones in the center are used for reading the battery status. Hope this help those with this annoying problem.
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Now that the phone has been had a few days, what kind of battery life are you guys getting? Is it better than the Evo 4g at least?
A weeks time bro, but I'll comment. Out of 15 hours I am getting six hours of moderate to heavy use with 15% left... This phone's battery is looking promising.
Like I said though, we'll need a week before we all reach a consensus.
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Now that the phone has been had a few days, what kind of battery life are you guys getting? Is it better than the Evo 4g at least?
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I used mine in a poor reception building for a 9 hour work shift, texting constantly and taking 3d photos for novelty of random stuff. I left with 55%. The key is using data only when you want to. I turned off auto sync and only used data sparingly, since I didn't need it on all the time.
Right now I got about 7 hours. Not happy but ill give it a few more charges.
Also I did not accept any ota so that's one problem.
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21 hours off charger (TAKES FOREVER TO TURN THE LIGHT GREEN).
3 hours of use
48% battery left
I don't think any of use have put the phone down long enough to find out.
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I don't think any of use have put the phone down long enough to find out.
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Lmfao +1
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14 hours off battery as of right now after a full (green light!!!) charge. sent about 120 texts, made a half dozen phone calls, and just below 60%. WiFi/Bluetooth on ALL day, and connected to WiFi all day. Even downloaded the OTA fix for HTC Watch.
The battery is AMAZING, and this is stock. The reviewers were full of ****. Although I believe the latest OTA fixed a sync issue, so that was probably causing unnecessary battery drain.
I repeat, the battery life is great.
if this is true... and im sure screenshots will b posted shortly, think of what this will be like on CM7 running custom kernels.........
Amazing battery life for me - better than 0G Evo, and far better than Epic 4G - though I did constantly charge that battery to oblivion. Looking promising!
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if this is true... and im sure screenshots will b posted shortly, think of what this will be like on CM7 running custom kernels.........
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suddenly bonar
A couple of things I've noticed right away.
1. CurrentWidget is inaccurate.
2. The upper limit on voltage during the charge scares me. On the EVO with an SBC kernel, we were always worried about going much about 4210 mV. On this EVO 3D, I noticed a 4275 right away. Seems to me that at 4300, it's all over, right?
3. I did not notice the precipitous drop from 100-90 or so that occured after taking the EVO 4G off the charger.
2 hours 27 minutes from full charge to "connect your charger" with everything turned on and video playing. About five minutes after plugging in video playback stopped and another message popped up stating that charging rate wasn't sufficient for current power usage. I wasn't using the included charger though.
Battery meter is flaky though. Reading 99% most of the time while charging and green light indicating full charge didn't come on 'til several minutes after battery status read full.
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2 hours 27 minutes from full charge to "connect your charger" with everything turned on and video playing.
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if everything includes 4g, that ain't bad. If not, well... Not so good.
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2 hours 27 minutes from full charge to "connect your charger" with everything turned on and video playing. About five minutes after plugging in video playback stopped and another message popped up stating that charging rate wasn't sufficient for current power usage. I wasn't using the included charger though.
Battery meter is flaky though. Reading 99% most of the time while charging and green light indicating full charge didn't come on 'til several minutes after battery status read full.
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Sounds like you didn't calibrate it. The batteries don't need to be calibrated... but the phones software sure does.
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A couple of things I've noticed right away.
1. CurrentWidget is inaccurate.
2. The upper limit on voltage during the charge scares me. On the EVO with an SBC kernel, we were always worried about going much about 4210 mV. On this EVO 3D, I noticed a 4275 right away. Seems to me that at 4300, it's all over, right?
3. I did not notice the precipitous drop from 100-90 or so that occured after taking the EVO 4G off the charger.
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It's a bigger battery first of all...not that much bigger, but, I don't see that voltage completely out of line...and it is OEM after all...typically nobody plays it safer than OEM...
14 hours 39 Minutes of the charger. Battery is still at 34%.
I was on and off of WiFi and used the phone more than i normally would because it is new. I checked facebook a bunch, texted as I normally do, surfed the web a bit, checked email, twitter, took several 3D pictures and a couple of videos, used a few apps....blah blah blah.
I am very pleased with the Battery life so far.
Is anyone using Juice Defender or other battery saving application, or are all of these numbers straight up battery use?
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Is anyone using Juice Defender or other battery saving application, or are all of these numbers straight up battery use?
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The only thing that i did was set facebook and email accounts to manual updates.
When you first get the phone to you full charge with the phone on or off
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So I was one of those who was finding my battery life to not be sufficient on the Photon and bought the Seidio extended battery. First thought is that it does make the phone heavier, but I can deal with that. Not a deal breaker.
My issue is that the Photon doesn't recognize the fact that I now have the extended battery. I've spent the last two days using Battery calibration software (charging overnight to 100%) and then trying to discharge completely and recharge. The problem is that the phone continually is showing 1% for almost 3-4 hours if not longer. I can't get it to recognize that there is more juice in there.
While it's great that it seems to be working well (first real work day with it today), having the battery drain like mad (or seemingly) and then sitting at 1% for half or more of the day and not knowing when it will die is a problem.
I wonder if this is why the stock seemed to drain so quickly - maybe it's a programming bug? Firmware bug? I dunno. In any event, any suggestions on how to make the phone actually see that there's more juice would be great.
As an FYI I've used "Battery Calibrator" - both of them and Battery Drainer and Fast Discharge to get the phone down. I am rooted, but everything is stock other then the root itself.
I spoke with Sedio - they said I should unroot the phone and do a master reset. I can't believe that would make it work better - but I'd rather ask this community first.
Thanks!
Check in the accessory forum there is a couple things on the Seidio battery and some people there that have them may have run into the same issue and have a fix for it.
Can't seem to find a thread where people talk about aa problem with it. Can you point me in the right direction?
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I meant about the battery not that specific problem. If you post there they may have had a similar issue
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Ahh.. Ok - actually someone on AndroidCentral just responded indicating the same issue on a non-rooted phone.. I'm gonnna try doing a full restore to see if that helps..
Yeah. Give that a shout and let us a know if it helps.
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have this battery, after the initial eight cycles allow nearly complete discharge, allow to charge for at least two hours after phone indicates battery is fully charged..... my battery is working very well, just use a battery indicator from the market, I didnt piss around with any battery calibrators, think this might be your problem, have never used a calibrator on any of my phones with extended batteries. Android market probly has an app to wipe your ass.....do you really need it? Hope the analogy is clear to you.
LOL fair enough. I did do the full flash this morning - so I'm unrooted.. Hasn't seemed to help - drain looks the same.. Been through about 6 full cycles since I got the battery. What battery indicator program are you using? I have battery circle and it's got the same issue.
Again - battery lasts just fine - but the amount of power left is never accurately indicated to me - and that's the problem.
I have had many Seidio Batteries, dating back to the OG EVO. The problem I have with this particular battery is this: These batteries work "properly" when charged on an Independent Charger, NOT inside the phone. If you Cycle/Discharge/Charge with this Battery on an External Charger, the Battery should calibrate correctly. I still believe the issue with charging within the phone, is that the Mopho doesnt accurately measure the Battery Capacity. Try and External Charger, should solve your problems....
riggy
Riggy -
Battery def is charging fully as I get tons of life - the MoPho only shows 1% left though for hours on end.. It's a matter of it doesn't see the correct amount of juice left. As per cutter2668, it may just be a situation of discharge - charge. Dunno.
As an FYI I did the full flash this morning, and I haven't really seen a difference in the phone telling me how much batt life I had left. I'll give it another day and hopefully after a period of time it will start reflecting a true number.
I have also emailed Seidio support directly on the issue.
So as an update, seidio is going to be sending along a new battery to see if that solves the issue. I guess we will see!
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Keep us posted and let us know how it goes.
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Don't know if said already but used battery monitor widget pro can be found on apktop or 4shared if can not find it let me know
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For free?
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So as an update, seidio is going to be sending along a new battery to see if that solves the issue. I guess we will see!
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Any luck on the new battery? Just noticed my extended battery is doing the same thing. :-(
So things still aren't working right. Battery shows 1 percent for half my day and the Photon just doesn't know. However, I read a thread on Amazon about a generic extended battery and someone suggested using Battery Monitor and using Voltage Based monitoring. Its certainly not perfect but it gives you a somewhat accurate reads on remaining battery. I truely wonder if this is OS or a hardware limitation.
Oh well.
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Why doesn't anyone wipe the battery stats from recovery (only available if you have CWM recovery)?
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Why doesn't anyone wipe the battery stats from recovery (only available if you have CWM recovery)?
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I did with bootstrap recovery this morning, no difference. Sitting at 1% for the last couple of hours.
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I did with bootstrap recovery this morning, no difference. Sitting at 1% for the last couple of hours.
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Maybe this is an Android issue, I've read the LG Optimus S has the same problem with extended batteries.
Has anyone else ever had their battery improve over time?
My stock battery has overnight gotten amazingly better, and I can't explain it. Its on a stock amaze, everything stock, I was having some battery issues, it would charge and get to 99% then take a good 20-25 mins to get to 100%, so I got a battery calibrator off the market, a non root required one. So I get it charged, and 'calibrate' it, and I didn't think it would do anything. So it stayed at 100% for over an hour with the screen on. At night it was reading 70%, and I left it without charging, and in the morning was dead. Right away I thought the battery calibrator threw it off, so I charged it up agaon to 100%, and this time wanted it to drain to zero, and I thought I'd start over from a drained battery. Same thing happened when I had it at 100%, it would take forever to drain it, I was playing movies on it, sound turned up, screen full brightness, and the thing wouldn't drain. I had a movie looped all night, and for a period of 10 hrs of this, it was still going when I woke up! I find it hard to believe that this is legit, but I've tried it twice now to drain the battery and I'll wake up and it'll be at roughly 15% remaining.
The other odd thing I noticed is on my data tracker, I had about 80MB of data go through the phone that I can't recall doing anything with. It was at a time I was at home and on wifi, so I can't call telus and see what went through the network, but the phone had something big go through it that I didn't do. Maybe telus is secretly fixing the battery issue on these phones? The conspiracy continues…
Just thought I'd share. I attached a pic of the battery status as of today. I haven't charged this thing in over a day other then a little bump. Before, I'd get to 18-20 hrs of regular use and it would need a charge.
I've also got another amaze running energy rom, and faux and its been doing way better then the rooted amaze.
Hmmmm anyone with knowledge about battery life wanna chin in?
What's the name of the app, Guy?
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battery calibration, developed by 'professionals'
I uninstalled it, I had it on my phone for 20 minutes
This is my battery life.
AOKP + Lean
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andy55 said:
Has anyone else ever had their battery improve over time?
My stock battery has overnight gotten amazingly better, and I can't explain it. Its on a stock amaze, everything stock, I was having some battery issues, it would charge and get to 99% then take a good 20-25 mins to get to 100%, so I got a battery calibrator off the market, a non root required one. So I get it charged, and 'calibrate' it, and I didn't think it would do anything. So it stayed at 100% for over an hour with the screen on. At night it was reading 70%, and I left it without charging, and in the morning was dead. Right away I thought the battery calibrator threw it off, so I charged it up agaon to 100%, and this time wanted it to drain to zero, and I thought I'd start over from a drained battery. Same thing happened when I had it at 100%, it would take forever to drain it, I was playing movies on it, sound turned up, screen full brightness, and the thing wouldn't drain. I had a movie looped all night, and for a period of 10 hrs of this, it was still going when I woke up! I find it hard to believe that this is legit, but I've tried it twice now to drain the battery and I'll wake up and it'll be at roughly 15% remaining.
The other odd thing I noticed is on my data tracker, I had about 80MB of data go through the phone that I can't recall doing anything with. It was at a time I was at home and on wifi, so I can't call telus and see what went through the network, but the phone had something big go through it that I didn't do. Maybe telus is secretly fixing the battery issue on these phones? The conspiracy continues…
Just thought I'd share. I attached a pic of the battery status as of today. I haven't charged this thing in over a day other then a little bump. Before, I'd get to 18-20 hrs of regular use and it would need a charge.
I've also got another amaze running energy rom, and faux and its been doing way better then the rooted amaze.
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WOW @ THIS SCREENSHOT
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I could only get about 8 hours MAX with intermediate use =[ tried every rom & kernel
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fuego77 said:
I could only get about 8 hours MAX with intermediate use =[ tried every rom & kernel
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Same Nexus s 14h, not a galaxy nexus though.
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Same Nexus s 14h, not a galaxy nexus though.
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My brother has a galaxy s2 and gets about 18+ with intermediate use and 29 hours with low usage.... I get about 10 with low usage. It drives me crazy man!!!!
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andy55 said:
Has anyone else ever had their battery improve over time?
My stock battery has overnight gotten amazingly better, and I can't explain it. Its on a stock amaze, everything stock, I was having some battery issues, it would charge and get to 99% then take a good 20-25 mins to get to 100%, so I got a battery calibrator off the market, a non root required one. So I get it charged, and 'calibrate' it, and I didn't think it would do anything. So it stayed at 100% for over an hour with the screen on. At night it was reading 70%, and I left it without charging, and in the morning was dead. Right away I thought the battery calibrator threw it off, so I charged it up agaon to 100%, and this time wanted it to drain to zero, and I thought I'd start over from a drained battery. Same thing happened when I had it at 100%, it would take forever to drain it, I was playing movies on it, sound turned up, screen full brightness, and the thing wouldn't drain. I had a movie looped all night, and for a period of 10 hrs of this, it was still going when I woke up! I find it hard to believe that this is legit, but I've tried it twice now to drain the battery and I'll wake up and it'll be at roughly 15% remaining.
The other odd thing I noticed is on my data tracker, I had about 80MB of data go through the phone that I can't recall doing anything with. It was at a time I was at home and on wifi, so I can't call telus and see what went through the network, but the phone had something big go through it that I didn't do. Maybe telus is secretly fixing the battery issue on these phones? The conspiracy continues…
Just thought I'd share. I attached a pic of the battery status as of today. I haven't charged this thing in over a day other then a little bump. Before, I'd get to 18-20 hrs of regular use and it would need a charge.
I've also got another amaze running energy rom, and faux and its been doing way better then the rooted amaze.
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This picture tells nothing about battery usage/life. It just makes noobs wow.
fuego77 said:
My brother has a galaxy s2 and gets about 18+ with intermediate use and 29 hours with low usage.... I get about 10 with low usage. It drives me crazy man!!!!
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Me to! I can't even get 10. Its fine asleep but once its on I watch it go doooown.
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I get 8-12 hours depending on my use from moderate to heavy. I usually hook it up to a charger though if I am watching a flick or streaming music, unless working out, lol!
My mytouch4G I got between 12-14 hours, so not drastically different. I Just deal with it.
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Hmmm, sensation gave me much worse battery life, currently using energy ROM sense 3.0. I get about 12 hrs per day average use, data constantly on (unlimited), min 1 hr talk, few min of Twitter and responding to e-mails, checking stock. I plug it into my car charger for 10-30 min but it doesn't change that much.
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So I just woke up, been on my phone for ten minutes, checking emails , checking Twitter and on xda
My phones on 89%
The only thing I have syncing is my gmail account (contacts & calendar) and facebook (contacts and calendar)
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Been on my phone looking at forums and taking pics for 1h22m and I'm at 67%
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Ha keep checking this hoping someone else tried the the op has done and see if there's been any improvement... My battery life seems decent enough and I know to bring my charger if I'm going to be using it a lot and out all day.
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Bdix said:
Been on my phone looking at forums and taking pics for 1h22m and I'm at 67%
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Taking pictures uses a LOT of battery life i have noticed, especially when using flash.
The Screen was barely on and awake time is minimal as well. Everyone just says "Wow" when they see a day, but a day of barely using your phone is not a special thing to accomplish.
Truth when I spend all day at my job I can't use my phone, even with syncing on... I'll still have 70+ % after 14 hours or so...
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the screen was barely on and awake time is minimal as well. Everyone just says "wow" when they see a day, but a day of barely using your phone is not a special thing to accomplish.
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+1000000000000
So is this thread supposed to be based on a purely stock experience? I have yet to get less than 14 hours with the heaviest usage.. but then again I am not stock. But every rom I have used has given me at LEAST a 12 hour battery life, even if I am trying to kill it.
I realize from numerous threads that wiping battery stats doesn't really do anything, but even though my battery goes to 90% super quick(I wish I knew why, it hasn't always) I still usually get 18+ from my phone, with realistic usage.
If this thread IS just for people using stock.. why are you using stock? I am on bulletproof 2.5 with the latest kernel, and I get great battery life, with over 130 apps installed and regular use.
A random thought, on previous devices I disabled automatic time sync and saw a big difference. I did the same for the amaze since day 1.. maybe you should disable it too? After you synced to the server, what point is there to auto-time?
My 2 cents.. don't know what the complaining it about.
On light usage, I EASILY get 2+ days on one charge..
I've heard several different opinions on this. Condition or not to Condition the battery.
Do we need to condition this thing?
How are you doing it?
What kind of results are you getting?
Thanks in advance.
Matt
Li-ion
The battery is lithium Ion so you really shouldn't have to from my understanding.
People do even tho is not necessary, for some reason I don't but after a few day battery has gotten better
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I mentioned this earlier -- I know it's a li ion that shouldn't need conditioning but when I first got mine my battery life was absolutely horrible. I went through two full discharge/recharge cycles and it seems to be much better now.
Currently 11 hours on battery, 50 minutes screen on, played a couple of games, downloaded a couple of apps, 15 minutes of voice calls, and battery is at 80%.
The way it was when I first got it, I'd probably be at 40 or 50% right now, if not even lower.
I'm also running juice defender and have stopped using the gmail app because you can't set the sync interval on it. Instead I've been using the built in email app and have it set to sync every 30 minutes. Not sure if any of this is doing anything but my battery life is definitely better than when I first got the phone. At first it was so bad that I came very close to just returning the phone.
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I mentioned this earlier -- I know it's a li ion that shouldn't need conditioning but when I first got mine my battery life was absolutely horrible. I went through two full discharge/recharge cycles and it seems to be much better now.
Currently 11 hours on battery, 50 minutes screen on, played a couple of games, downloaded a couple of apps, 15 minutes of voice calls, and battery is at 80%.
The way it was when I first got it, I'd probably be at 40 or 50% right now, if not even lower.
I'm also running juice defender and have stopped using the gmail app because you can't set the sync interval on it. Instead I've been using the built in email app and have it set to sync every 30 minutes. Not sure if any of this is doing anything but my battery life is definitely better than when I first got the phone. At first it was so bad that I came very close to just returning the phone.
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That's true for me as well now that you mentioned it. First day, I got about 4 1/2 hours with it before i was down to 10%. I was shocked! Each day it has gotten a little better. Over the last 36 hours it has last a full days before a charge. It doesn't really make much sense to me that they are li-ion which shouldn't need conditioned but it seems that we do need to do this. A friend suggested I condition it when I got it and before I started heavily using it, I guess he was right.
Li-ion batteries don't need conditioned. Any signs of conditioning you see may be some sort of conditioning/learning of the OS.
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mlin said:
Li-ion batteries don't need conditioned. Any signs of conditioning you see may be some sort of conditioning/learning of the OS.
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What he said.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries/
BonesHopkins said:
Currently 11 hours on battery, 50 minutes screen on, played a couple of games, downloaded a couple of apps, 15 minutes of voice calls, and battery is at 80%.
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See this kinda stuff freaks me out. I had one decent charge so far, had the phone a week, have been doing full discharge/charge the whole time. Sitting at 38% right now on 16 hours, about half of that was asleep with power save on (its been dropping 20-30% overnight) and only 48 minutes screen time. I dunno how long it should take to improve but it seems like its not taking this long for anyone else.
erikk said:
What he said.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries/
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What they said.
This is a very informative site. I've quoted it's recommendations concerning the circuit in the battery that needs calibration before......
here's the link to that page there.....
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/battery_calibration
codo27 said:
See this kinda stuff freaks me out. I had one decent charge so far, had the phone a week, have been doing full discharge/charge the whole time. Sitting at 38% right now on 16 hours, about half of that was asleep with power save on (its been dropping 20-30% overnight) and only 48 minutes screen time. I dunno how long it should take to improve but it seems like its not taking this long for anyone else.
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How long do you usually sleep for???
Seriously though, 20 - 30% overnight sounds like a lot. I tested mine and it dropped about 8% in roughly 7 hours of zero use while I was sleeping. I think even that is a little excessive but I can live with it.
Have you tried running something like Juice Defender? It seems to have made a difference with mine. When I got my S3 last week it was about the same as yours. I did a couple of complete discharge/charge cycles, installed juice defender, and have been going into the task manager and app manager and turning off all the crap that doesn't turn off automatically. It has made a difference.
Oh, and I also did the APN trick to disable LTE. Not sure if that has made any difference but with everything combined the battery seems to be doing a lot better than it was at first.
Don't "they" say that you should not use task managers as they don't work well with the phones? I'm no expert here, so don't quote me, but my understanding is that the One S and Siii owe a lot of their excellent battery lives to their own internal task managing.
Correct me if I'm wrong here.
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Don't "they" say that you should not use task managers as they don't work well with the phones? I'm no expert here, so don't quote me, but my understanding is that the One S and Siii owe a lot of their excellent battery lives to their own internal task managing.
Correct me if I'm wrong here.
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The internal task managing is the reason you shouldn't use 3rd part task managers. That's the whole point. Android has done this since 2.0
Having said that, there's nothing inherently wrong with killing a task that is misbehaving... most things that say not to use task managers really mean to not (a) turn on auto task-killing, or (b) kill tasks across the board, albeit manually, under the false impression that freeing up RAM is a good thing.
When you guys say full discharge do you mean draining the battery till it shuts off or going down to 10%, I was under the impression that fully discharging would harm the battery.
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When you guys say full discharge do you mean draining the battery till it shuts off or going down to 10%, I was under the impression that fully discharging would harm the battery.
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I discharged it till zero. Then I turned the phone on and let it shut off again. I did this until the phone wouldn't even try to turn on any more.
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I discharged it till zero. Then I turned the phone on and let it shut off again. I did this until the phone wouldn't even try to turn on any more.
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Doing this enough times has the potential to damage your battery. Leaving it at 2% - 5% will not make a difference in the "calibration" compared to completely killing the battery.
Killing the battery may work for you, but I want others to be aware of the potential of damaging the battery.
Just my 2cents for the day.
Here. Is a link to battery charging for Li-ion. I have another site that is great in explaining these things. I have a couple of R/C trucks and this info is great to know and have. The same applies. To our phones charge rates. I would hope that when a dev makes up or mods a kernel that they have a basic knowledge of charge rates and the rest of the equations. Foe our batteries this is literally. Life and death. It could also cause a phone to burst into flames. Especially. If we use after market batteries that have poor protection circuitry in them.
I will find the other link later and post it up here to give a possible better understanding of these things. But, try not to rely on me as I tend to forget things a lot. Car accidents will do that to you when you crush your skull. Any way, GIYF.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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You basically only need to do the "calibration" once. And the phone has limits set that will neither undercharge nor overcharge them.
edit I think heat is your batteries worst enemy.
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I discharged it till zero. Then I turned the phone on and let it shut off again. I did this until the phone wouldn't even try to turn on any more.
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This is the WORST thing you can do to a Li-Ion battery. I mean literally you can lose 10% of its life from doing this or even cause the battery to stop charging at all.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
Li-ion should never be discharged too low, and there are several safeguards to prevent this from happening. The equipment cuts off when the battery discharges to about 3.0V/cell, stopping the current flow. If the discharge continues to about 2.70V/cell or lower, the battery’s protection circuit puts the battery into a sleep mode. This renders the pack unserviceable and a recharge with most chargers is not possible. To prevent a battery from falling asleep, apply a partial charge before a long storage period.
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Seriously everyone should spend a couple hours on that site at some point. Half the information will probably be way over your head (or at least it was mine) but there's enough good information that even half of it is definitely worth learning.
Here is the other site that I was talking about. Though it is for R/C battery packs it should still grant a measure of understanding to the workings of these batteries.
http://www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-lipo-batteries.html
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I discharged it till zero. Then I turned the phone on and let it shut off again. I did this until the phone wouldn't even try to turn on any more.
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Take into account though. These batteries have circuitry. Built into them to prevent you from truly discharging. It all the way. That doesn't mean that it can not discharge all the way. Things like humidity can play its roll in taking a Li-ion or Lipo battery past the kill zone point. If you know that you will not be using the battery for a good period of time or it is strictly an in case of an emergency battery. Place it into a plastic bag and suck out all of the air that you can and seal it. A zip lock bag works best. Place it in the refrigerator or freezer. There is very little moisture. In there. And what ever moisture makes its way in when you open the fridge. Or freezer will not have time to get into the zip lock bag. The lack of moisture slows the discharge process down especially in the summer. Also the chilling of the battery's chemical. Compounds slows the molecular interactions down. Its a helpful two fold process.
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Hi all here is my situation I've had my phone now for about 18 months or maybe a bit longer it wont charge to 100% every single time sometimes does sometimes doesn't. Phone turns itself off even at 50% power left then when re-started shows 0%, wait a while, maybe 10 or 20 mins then re-start again sometimes shows more power than before (today went off @ 56% came back on @ 84%, go figure). Back in the old days of nicads and ni-mh batteries there is a phenomenon called "recovery" where they magically get recharged from "sub-space" and then they last a bit longer.
up untill the past week I thought li-ion batteries were immune from the phenomenon of "recovery" but they have now showed me to not know as much as I thought....
Oh, the other dead (pardon the pun ) give away that my battery is dying, is the fact that it has started to buldge and is now a little hard to get out of the phone lucky for me *touch wood, its not getting hot while charging, cause u know these things can go BANG and make big damages....
Just thought I'd share some wisdom of something new I've learned, who knows maybe some else can learn something new too...
P.s. I've already ordered a battery set from eBay, 2 * 1500 mAh plus wall charger for AU$ 10 +$4 quick delivery... will have to see if those batteries are better than the stock batteries.
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Sorry to hear, but my stock battery's the best. It still provides advertised hours of stock, sometimes even more on custom ROMs.
But on the contrary, I did use two other third-party batteries, both from eBay, both from Hong Kong with the dreaded 6-week shipping to Canada. The first one lasted fine after the first year, the second one died on the day I used it @ 30%. I threw it in the snow (I think that's illegal and dangerous, oops) in rage. But the first one, as it aged its very short third-party imitative age, began to bulge, like yours.
I stopped using it and placed it in my wallet pocket as an emergency battery for whenever I'd really need it. Since my wallet is always on my person and I live in cold-cold-Canada, the battery was always warm from body heat, something I believed damaged it to the point of disrepair.
A few months ago on a trip to the States, I had to use it, but unsurprisingly it lasted for around half an hour at every charge and would never charge > 16%. Ouch.
I'm now back to one battery, but it suits me. The only thing I need now from my Legend is SMS and Wi-Fi Hotspot.
Regarding difficulties in removing the battery, have you tried the red lever? My bulgy battery was bulged for months before I figured that thing out, so I always either had to use it as a primary battery, or spend a few hours periodically shaking it out in a very gross, suggestive hand gesture before it got out ENOUGH to push the battery out. Pain in the bum! I found it, and it was a godsend from HTC, them probably knowing we'd use third-party batteries. <3
Yes, thanks for the red lever tip, although I did know that one already I could not use my finger to pull the red tab/lever down as the battery was a bit tight, I had to get a flat screw driver to latch onto the red tab to pull it down as it hurt like hell trying to use my finger.
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Finally received my set of 2 * 1500 mAh and charger today now for the endurance testing
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Well this is fantastic, now my phone lasts all day and doesn't turn off at random intervals even when showing 92%. I have a thought how the hell can the health report for the old battery shows "good" when its doing what it was
My first full charge I got 23 hours this encluded 2 hrs 30 mins of continues screen on and mobile internet (gave it a good hammering) 2*20 min phone calls and various other short stints on the net and sundrys.
Next endurance test will have to be continues music playback, back in the old days I used to get about 9 hrs music playback.
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before you put to trash your old battery, just try this software to see any improvement?
Battery Calibration 1.2, by marosige
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1024867
Mine friends too battery is dying but the calibration app works for sure to an extent.wat a phone was that in those days.
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subyf said:
before you put to trash your old battery, just try this software to see any improvement?
Battery Calibration 1.2, by marosige
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1024867
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Thanks for the idea, how ever, this is something I do already. No this doesn't help, because the battery was stuffed.
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Here's a bit of an update, it is about 5 months since getting those new batteries, and they are now both showing signs that they are not very good, I have had to swap them out regularly as they cannot last a whole day, even with reduced usage. So it looks like the old saying of you get what you pay for is very true, best to avoid cheap Chinese ebay batteries.
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