I've heard several different opinions on this. Condition or not to Condition the battery.
Do we need to condition this thing?
How are you doing it?
What kind of results are you getting?
Thanks in advance.
Matt
Li-ion
The battery is lithium Ion so you really shouldn't have to from my understanding.
People do even tho is not necessary, for some reason I don't but after a few day battery has gotten better
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I mentioned this earlier -- I know it's a li ion that shouldn't need conditioning but when I first got mine my battery life was absolutely horrible. I went through two full discharge/recharge cycles and it seems to be much better now.
Currently 11 hours on battery, 50 minutes screen on, played a couple of games, downloaded a couple of apps, 15 minutes of voice calls, and battery is at 80%.
The way it was when I first got it, I'd probably be at 40 or 50% right now, if not even lower.
I'm also running juice defender and have stopped using the gmail app because you can't set the sync interval on it. Instead I've been using the built in email app and have it set to sync every 30 minutes. Not sure if any of this is doing anything but my battery life is definitely better than when I first got the phone. At first it was so bad that I came very close to just returning the phone.
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I mentioned this earlier -- I know it's a li ion that shouldn't need conditioning but when I first got mine my battery life was absolutely horrible. I went through two full discharge/recharge cycles and it seems to be much better now.
Currently 11 hours on battery, 50 minutes screen on, played a couple of games, downloaded a couple of apps, 15 minutes of voice calls, and battery is at 80%.
The way it was when I first got it, I'd probably be at 40 or 50% right now, if not even lower.
I'm also running juice defender and have stopped using the gmail app because you can't set the sync interval on it. Instead I've been using the built in email app and have it set to sync every 30 minutes. Not sure if any of this is doing anything but my battery life is definitely better than when I first got the phone. At first it was so bad that I came very close to just returning the phone.
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That's true for me as well now that you mentioned it. First day, I got about 4 1/2 hours with it before i was down to 10%. I was shocked! Each day it has gotten a little better. Over the last 36 hours it has last a full days before a charge. It doesn't really make much sense to me that they are li-ion which shouldn't need conditioned but it seems that we do need to do this. A friend suggested I condition it when I got it and before I started heavily using it, I guess he was right.
Li-ion batteries don't need conditioned. Any signs of conditioning you see may be some sort of conditioning/learning of the OS.
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Li-ion batteries don't need conditioned. Any signs of conditioning you see may be some sort of conditioning/learning of the OS.
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What he said.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries/
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Currently 11 hours on battery, 50 minutes screen on, played a couple of games, downloaded a couple of apps, 15 minutes of voice calls, and battery is at 80%.
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See this kinda stuff freaks me out. I had one decent charge so far, had the phone a week, have been doing full discharge/charge the whole time. Sitting at 38% right now on 16 hours, about half of that was asleep with power save on (its been dropping 20-30% overnight) and only 48 minutes screen time. I dunno how long it should take to improve but it seems like its not taking this long for anyone else.
erikk said:
What he said.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries/
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What they said.
This is a very informative site. I've quoted it's recommendations concerning the circuit in the battery that needs calibration before......
here's the link to that page there.....
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/battery_calibration
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See this kinda stuff freaks me out. I had one decent charge so far, had the phone a week, have been doing full discharge/charge the whole time. Sitting at 38% right now on 16 hours, about half of that was asleep with power save on (its been dropping 20-30% overnight) and only 48 minutes screen time. I dunno how long it should take to improve but it seems like its not taking this long for anyone else.
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How long do you usually sleep for???
Seriously though, 20 - 30% overnight sounds like a lot. I tested mine and it dropped about 8% in roughly 7 hours of zero use while I was sleeping. I think even that is a little excessive but I can live with it.
Have you tried running something like Juice Defender? It seems to have made a difference with mine. When I got my S3 last week it was about the same as yours. I did a couple of complete discharge/charge cycles, installed juice defender, and have been going into the task manager and app manager and turning off all the crap that doesn't turn off automatically. It has made a difference.
Oh, and I also did the APN trick to disable LTE. Not sure if that has made any difference but with everything combined the battery seems to be doing a lot better than it was at first.
Don't "they" say that you should not use task managers as they don't work well with the phones? I'm no expert here, so don't quote me, but my understanding is that the One S and Siii owe a lot of their excellent battery lives to their own internal task managing.
Correct me if I'm wrong here.
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Don't "they" say that you should not use task managers as they don't work well with the phones? I'm no expert here, so don't quote me, but my understanding is that the One S and Siii owe a lot of their excellent battery lives to their own internal task managing.
Correct me if I'm wrong here.
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The internal task managing is the reason you shouldn't use 3rd part task managers. That's the whole point. Android has done this since 2.0
Having said that, there's nothing inherently wrong with killing a task that is misbehaving... most things that say not to use task managers really mean to not (a) turn on auto task-killing, or (b) kill tasks across the board, albeit manually, under the false impression that freeing up RAM is a good thing.
When you guys say full discharge do you mean draining the battery till it shuts off or going down to 10%, I was under the impression that fully discharging would harm the battery.
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When you guys say full discharge do you mean draining the battery till it shuts off or going down to 10%, I was under the impression that fully discharging would harm the battery.
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I discharged it till zero. Then I turned the phone on and let it shut off again. I did this until the phone wouldn't even try to turn on any more.
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I discharged it till zero. Then I turned the phone on and let it shut off again. I did this until the phone wouldn't even try to turn on any more.
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Doing this enough times has the potential to damage your battery. Leaving it at 2% - 5% will not make a difference in the "calibration" compared to completely killing the battery.
Killing the battery may work for you, but I want others to be aware of the potential of damaging the battery.
Just my 2cents for the day.
Here. Is a link to battery charging for Li-ion. I have another site that is great in explaining these things. I have a couple of R/C trucks and this info is great to know and have. The same applies. To our phones charge rates. I would hope that when a dev makes up or mods a kernel that they have a basic knowledge of charge rates and the rest of the equations. Foe our batteries this is literally. Life and death. It could also cause a phone to burst into flames. Especially. If we use after market batteries that have poor protection circuitry in them.
I will find the other link later and post it up here to give a possible better understanding of these things. But, try not to rely on me as I tend to forget things a lot. Car accidents will do that to you when you crush your skull. Any way, GIYF.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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You basically only need to do the "calibration" once. And the phone has limits set that will neither undercharge nor overcharge them.
edit I think heat is your batteries worst enemy.
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I discharged it till zero. Then I turned the phone on and let it shut off again. I did this until the phone wouldn't even try to turn on any more.
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This is the WORST thing you can do to a Li-Ion battery. I mean literally you can lose 10% of its life from doing this or even cause the battery to stop charging at all.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
Li-ion should never be discharged too low, and there are several safeguards to prevent this from happening. The equipment cuts off when the battery discharges to about 3.0V/cell, stopping the current flow. If the discharge continues to about 2.70V/cell or lower, the battery’s protection circuit puts the battery into a sleep mode. This renders the pack unserviceable and a recharge with most chargers is not possible. To prevent a battery from falling asleep, apply a partial charge before a long storage period.
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Seriously everyone should spend a couple hours on that site at some point. Half the information will probably be way over your head (or at least it was mine) but there's enough good information that even half of it is definitely worth learning.
Here is the other site that I was talking about. Though it is for R/C battery packs it should still grant a measure of understanding to the workings of these batteries.
http://www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-lipo-batteries.html
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I discharged it till zero. Then I turned the phone on and let it shut off again. I did this until the phone wouldn't even try to turn on any more.
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Take into account though. These batteries have circuitry. Built into them to prevent you from truly discharging. It all the way. That doesn't mean that it can not discharge all the way. Things like humidity can play its roll in taking a Li-ion or Lipo battery past the kill zone point. If you know that you will not be using the battery for a good period of time or it is strictly an in case of an emergency battery. Place it into a plastic bag and suck out all of the air that you can and seal it. A zip lock bag works best. Place it in the refrigerator or freezer. There is very little moisture. In there. And what ever moisture makes its way in when you open the fridge. Or freezer will not have time to get into the zip lock bag. The lack of moisture slows the discharge process down especially in the summer. Also the chilling of the battery's chemical. Compounds slows the molecular interactions down. Its a helpful two fold process.
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I just did the conditioning thing for my battery.
Charged fully, then wiped battery stats, now i have to drain it.
How can i drain it FAST?
i have gps on, bluetooth on wifi on
watching a HQ youtube video while listening to music
why is it that when i dont want my battery to drain it drains fast as hell, but when i want it to drain it feels like an hour from 100 to 99?
how can i make this even faster??
Do a lot of rebooting always kills mine
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Do a lot of rebooting always kills mine
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holy ****, its working every reboot gets like 1% haha
97 more reboots to go
Turn gps on, go outside and actually use it with maps or navigation. Will kill your phone in 1 to 2 hours.
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Turn gps on, go outside and actually use it with maps or navigation. Will kill your phone in 1 to 2 hours.
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rather not its like 30 degrees outside here in Texas ha
so far, 31 minutes used and went from 100 to 76 an hour or two more, and BAM it'll be good.
I put a live wallpaper on and now its running like hell hahah
Even if you're indoors maps and searching for signal might help knock it down more.
STOP
Deep cycling is really bad for Lithium-ion batteries. I don't know why people keep perpetuating this myth that you should do this after burning a ROM. I blame Team Whiskey et all, etc . . . blah blah (You flashed our ROM now recalibrate your battery)
Lithium-ion batteries do not have a memory, you do not need to deep cycle them like Ni-Cad, doing so seriously shortens the lifespan of the battery. So unless you notice that the readout for the % of battery charge seems very off from reality don't recalibrate. Even if it is off a little, it will fix itself over time as you charge and use your phone. You don't even need to let it drain a lot. Just use it like normal and charge it when ever you get a chance.
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Deep cycling is really bad for Lithium-ion batteries. I don't know why people keep perpetuating this myth that you should do this after burning a ROM. I blame Team Whiskey et all, etc . . . blah blah (You flashed our ROM now recalibrate your battery)
Lithium-ion batteries do not have a memory, you do not need to deep cycle them like Ni-Cad, doing so seriously shortens the lifespan of the battery. So unless you notice that the readout for the % of battery charge seems very off from reality don't recalibrate. Even if it is off a little, it will fix itself over time as you charge and use your phone. You don't even need to let it drain a lot. Just use it like normal and charge it when ever you get a chance.
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A lot of people r telling me it helped them
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A lot of people r telling me it helped them
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Um, just Google search Lithium-ion. Read a little about the battery technology for yourself and you will see why it is very BAD advise to deep cycle your battery. After a little more than a year with Li-Ion the battery will only hold about 70% of the charge it held when it was new. Keep deep cycling and you will shorten that time to about 4-5 months. Then these same people come back here and ***** about how crappy their battery was because it only lasted a few months and they will offer as proof that it was always crappy because they had to recalibrate it a frequently. I alway think the same thing to myself when I here this from people, "dumb ass, you killed it."
Hell, the sales rep at T-mobile tried to tell me this crap when I purchased my phone. I asked her where she got her electrical engineering degree with focus on battery technology from. After the puzzled look settled from her face I told her that the advice she gave was about the worst thing you could do to the battery. She didn't believe me, but I told her to look it up on her fancy Google powered smart phone. After she did that she apologized.
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A lot of people r telling me it helped them
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A lot of people say things they don't understand, don't drain your battery as such, it's not good.
I wont do it... but
I've already pressed wipe battery stats does rat mean it already happened or something? Is there anything I can do to reverse this iif I did it wrone
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I wont do it... but
I've already pressed wipe battery stats does rat mean it already happened or something? Is there anything I can do to reverse this iif I did it wrone
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Wipe battery stats, does not affect the battery, only deletes the stats saved by the OS. It won't make your battery run faster, or better. These are only STATS saved by the system to tell you where your power is going.
Don't go all psycho about the battery issue. get a cheap chinese knokoff battery from ebay with charger (as I did) and just go out with 2 batteries, even with heavy use, 2 batteries should last you all day. (well, with certain roms, Almost all day)
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Wipe battery stats, does not affect the battery, only deletes the stats saved by the OS. It won't make your battery run faster, or better. These are only STATS saved by the system to tell you where your power is going.
Don't go all psycho about the battery issue. get a cheap chinese knokoff battery from ebay with charger (as I did) and just go out with 2 batteries, even with heavy use, 2 batteries should last you all day. (well, with certain roms, Almost all day)
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I am running Axura 2.1 with no changes to the modem or theme and a stock battery. My phone is only about 2 months old but running stock I got about 11-13 hours and now I get 24+ hours when I let it. Normally I just charge it every night anyhow because it does not hurt anything, in fact it is better for the battery.
Nothing uses more power than the touch screen. Keep scrolling pages and your phone will be a hand warmer.
I've noticed deep cycling lithium ion batteries can destroy capacity to almost nothing quickly. Keep a charge on it whenever you can. The internal resistance is so low, you won't ever notice a "memory." Until the chemistry inside has rotted itself out.
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Nothing uses more power than the touch screen. Keep scrolling pages and your phone will be a hand warmer.
I've noticed deep cycling lithium ion batteries can destroy capacity to almost nothing quickly. Keep a charge on it whenever you can. The internal resistance is so low, you won't ever notice a "memory." Until the chemistry inside has rotted itself out.
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Excellent job of putting into layman's terms the endless cycle of the relationship of heat creating the substance on the electrode that increases resistance, which creates more heat in an endless cycle that is the death of batteries.
In lead acid batteries (like your car, motorcycle, or uninterruptible power supply) oxidation on the plates create this internal resistance and it is why car batteries are rated by number of months, like a 72 month battery. It happens to some extent to all rechargeable battery technologies, but in the case of Li-Ion batteries the internal chemistry actually tear them selfs up over time.
Long story short is the two really big enemies of Li-Ion batteries is deep cycling and heat. In fact if they are not vented well, and allow heat to build up, you get the battery fires you may have heard about with the Dell and Apple laptops that used the Sony batteries. There have also been a few phones that have been known for melting down.
Y'know, I would love to see a big sticky in one of these forums about this. Another voice of reason -- Don't deep cycle your battery, don't cycle it unnecessarily and don't worry about calibration. Your phone calibrates itself all the time and the less often your battery spends any time at low charge the longer it'll last.
Thanks guys good thing I didn't go too far before one of you told me not to do this.
Thanks again
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Hello dear members
I'd like to ask if an everyday charge will harm my battery.
It's my first week with my phone, and I can't keep my hands off it
As a result, battery runs out every day!! So I charge it...
Will something happen to the battery?
thanks in advance
This phone has a litium ion battery. They don't have a memory effect but in the first time they need some time to become the full potential. So it doesn't matter if you charge the phone every day.
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Thank you so much!!!!
It's a relief
To maintain better battery life it might be a good idea to make sure that u dont fully drain the battery
That shouldn't be a problem the most battery's should have electronic inside to prevent this but I can't guarantee it. You can read also the Wikipedia article about lithium ion batteries it's quite interesting.
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It is better for you to charge daily and often when the battery still has charge and not leave it until the battery is totally flat.
Thanks so much everyone Point taken
I'll never let it fall under 10%.
Well, Battery is average. If it weren't for the 2.3.3 bug, it would rock! In order for it to be normal, I keep ****ting Services.(under Services menu) like Voice talk, SocialHub(which drains a lot of battery) etc
Anyways, thanks to everyone
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It is better for you to charge daily and often when the battery still has charge and not leave it until the battery is totally flat.
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Isn't it actually opposite, I mean somewhere I heard that if a Full charge is given after a Full drain then the battery gets conditioned (optimized I think), can't remember the source but I do remember the fact.
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It is better for you to charge daily and often when the battery still has charge and not leave it until the battery is totally flat.
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I'm glad this thread exists. I'm so used to running a battery down to the minimum before charging it that I probably would have been in that habit for my SGS2. I'd actually come here to ask the same question now I've been through my first four or five "full" -> "red" -> "charge to full while off" cycles.
Is it confirmed both from the SGS2 & LION technology point of view to now keep it charged up, even if using only half/quarter charges etc to do so?
My battery is giving me around 40 hours a time so not too bad but I'd like to keep it running as well as I can.......
ithehappy said:
Isn't it actually opposite, I mean somewhere I heard that if a Full charge is given after a Full drain then the battery gets conditioned (optimized I think), can't remember the source but I do remember the fact.
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Nope. Li-ion batteries these days prefer constant top-ups and full drain actually kills it faster. Totally opposite of what people have been taught over years of NiCD battery use that I've got friends who absolutely refuse to charge their iPhones unless it's at 10% or less. Their loss.
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Isn't it actually opposite, I mean somewhere I heard that if a Full charge is given after a Full drain then the battery gets conditioned (optimized I think), can't remember the source but I do remember the fact.
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No that's only good to do once in a while. Full discharges daily put stress on the cells and wear out li ion batteries quicker.
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I'm glad this thread exists. I'm so used to running a battery down to the minimum before charging it that I probably would have been in that habit for my SGS2. I'd actually come here to ask the same question now I've been through my first four or five "full" -> "red" -> "charge to full while off" cycles.
Is it confirmed both from the SGS2 & LION technology point of view to now keep it charged up, even if using only half/quarter charges etc to do so?
My battery is giving me around 40 hours a time so not too bad but I'd like to keep it running as well as I can.......
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Yes it's common for all lithium ion batteries to charge as often as possible. Its true for all phones on the market today and quite a lot of discussion on this is all around the web.
Also a replacement stock battery for any cell phone today is around 20 dollars, so really you can't do much wrong since its so cheap to buy a new OEM battery replacement.
Thanks for the replies. I think this will catch a few people out so hope the thread doesn't get missed amongst all the other battery ones!
Looks like I'd better change my charging habits!
I ,am on it a lot, between GPS and general usage, ,but this still seems like too fast to drain compared to what others here have said. I had this problem with my Atrix too, maybe i am just destined for bad luck with battery life
Do you use anything like juice defender. This app literly doubled my battery life!
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I ,am on it a lot, between GPS and general usage, ,but this still seems like too fast to drain compared to what others here have said. I had this problem with my Atrix too, maybe i am just destined for bad luck with battery life
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how much screen on time do u get?
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Do you use anything like juice defender. This app literly doubled my battery life!
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Apps like that only increase standby battery life. Everything else is very minimal.
And I'm not happy with the battery life either. My phone is plugged in right now and the battery is actually going down as I use it.
Ready for the HTC One X
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This happened to me since i first got the phone it has slowed down and now the phone can last through the day ever since at&t throttled me for this month goes without saying ill take it easy next month. so most likely if your in an lte area thats the problem
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Apps like that only increase standby battery life. Everything else is very minimal.
And I'm not happy with the battery life either. My phone is plugged in right now and the battery is actually going down as I use it.
Ready for the HTC One X
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If it's notbthe stock charger you areblikely not using a rapid charger.
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I pull mine off the charger at 7:00 and at 3pm or so it's down to 85%, I'll put it on the charger at work until I leave around 5-6pm (mainly because I'm used to having to do this on my previous phone) and at night if I'm not using it constantly it's around 70-75% when I plug it in at bed time.
I suspect anyone getting that bad of battery life must be using it constantly, ie: Playing games, browsing, trolling facebook, etc.. Even in the "new toy" stage I'm getting great battery life.
FYI I don't have LTE, but do generally have good 4G.
You honestly can't use any phone on GPS without external power and expect that you're not going to discharge quickly. Assuming that you are running a car charger during GPS and just didn't say so, search the i-717 threads, since the topic has been well vetted on what chargers are more effective,etc. There are definite differences.
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The fact that there are people out there that get really good battery life means the problem is you and not the phone. If you refresh facebook every minute of course your battery life will be crappy. apps like juicedefender are just marketing crap. as long as there are no running apps in the background that eat your battery, you do not need any juicedefender or tasker. also setting screen-off behavior to conservative on set cpu helps improve battery life.
When I first got my i717 and was using it on the stock rom I had pretty terrible battery life. I take it off the charger at 5:00am and had decent battery life (around 5 to 7 hours without GPS) but I use my phone a lot for internet/email. I think your battery life is completely normal given your usage.
Most people get about 5hrs screen on time. Total on battery ranges up to about 24hrs, but only if the screen is off at least 19 of them.
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Most people get about 5hrs screen on time. Total on battery ranges up to about 24hrs, but only if the screen is off at least 19 of them.
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5 hours? Would you mind posting a link to suh a claim? I barely get 12 hours total with 2 hours of screen time.
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I pull mine off the charger at 7:00 and at 3pm or so it's down to 85%, I'll put it on the charger at work until I leave around 5-6pm (mainly because I'm used to having to do this on my previous phone) and at night if I'm not using it constantly it's around 70-75% when I plug it in at bed time.
I suspect anyone getting that bad of battery life must be using it constantly, ie: Playing games, browsing, trolling facebook, etc.. Even in the "new toy" stage I'm getting great battery life.
FYI I don't have LTE, but do generally have good 4G.
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7-3 is 8 hours
exactly how much screen on time do you have by the time its at 85% ? because i mean, it can go on standy for days with nothing on
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h0tw1r3 said:
5 hours? Would you mind posting a link to suh a claim? I barely get 12 hours total with 2 hours of screen time.
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i can get about 3 or so
5 hours of screen time AND 19hours standby sounds incredible
would sure like to see screen shot as well
and def dont think 5 hours is any type of avg
I had GPS running on my phone for 4 hours today, had blue tooth on half the time without knowing it, sending text messages, making two 5 min phone calls, checking maps, checking FML and reading a book for about an hour and drained down to about 70% and I have the brightness set at auto. I would exchange it for a new battery.
On average with several texts per hour, several 5-10 min phone calls, taking a few pics and uploading them to picasa, checking facebook, updating status and checking emails I can pull off the charger at 630am and still have 50% battery (at least) by 630pm.
I do have the juicedefender (which isn't crap, it turns off signal after so long so you aren't trolling for signals when you aren't on the phone).
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I had GPS running on my phone for 4 hours today, had blue tooth on half the time without knowing it, sending text messages, making two 5 min phone calls, checking maps, checking FML and reading a book for about an hour and drained down to about 70% and I have the brightness set at auto. I would exchange it for a new battery.
On average with several texts per hour, several 5-10 min phone calls, taking a few pics and uploading them to picasa, checking facebook, updating status and checking emails I can pull off the charger at 630am and still have 50% battery (at least) by 630pm.
I do have the juicedefender (which isn't crap, it turns off signal after so long so you aren't trolling for signals when you aren't on the phone).
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and whats your screen on time for that 12 hour 6am-6pm with 50% still left please?
Just buy a second battery and throw it in at noon. No biggie.
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Just buy a second battery and throw it in at noon. No biggie.
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Was thinking of doing that since they're so cheap but thanks to juice defense I don't really have that issue no more.
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h0tw1r3 said:
5 hours? Would you mind posting a link to suh a claim? I barely get 12 hours total with 2 hours of screen time.
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I had a ss of my buddies yesterday, but can't restore mms lol. There are plenty of other ss in the note section. He was at 22+ hrs with about 4:30 of screen on and some % remaining. I have to charge around 7-9 everynight at 4-4:30 hrs screen on, but my use is pretty heavy. I sync 4 gmail accounts, a separate GV, 3 calendars, and several apps.
If yours is much worse than that, you likely have a few troublesome apps or are playing games. First, after a full charge, reset cpuspy timers, lock it, and set it down for a few hours (I know, impossible). Then check to see that your CPU has been in deep sleep about 95% of the time. If not, use better battery stats to see what has been request wakelocks. Not only the most total time, but the total number. Any app that looks outrageous, freeze it or uninstall it. For system processes that look troublesome, Google. You can often find simple tricks online that will tell you what's causing them to go crazy. Beyond that, turn off syncing of anything that isn't needed or doesn't matter (like Facebook), and uninstall stuff you never use.
Another slight help is the brightness widget (don't use the actual widget, just put the app on your homescreen, it works the same) or dimmer in market as they can both set the brightness to a value of 10 (Samsung lowest stock is 20), and even if you can't tell the difference, it helps. Jkay settings in saurom can set the auto brightness profile slightly darker than stock. Umm, and the obvious, use less Widgets, longer sync intervals, processor scaling and speed profiles, and buy a couple rapid chargers, wall and auto.
A couple things to note after seeing a few of these posts...
BT can be on, but without it searching, connected, or listening it's not active.
GPS isn't active unless its in use aand you see the icon in the notification bar. That being said, fb, websites, and many other apps that request location will activate it.
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YOU MUST CALIBERATE THE BATTERY!! I have no issues I use my phone heavy all day and get 15 hours and I still have 20% left. All you have to do is
1) Charge you phone until it says "charged"
2)Leave phone plugged in and power off and let it charge until the battery meter literally says "100" (screen will sleep so you can check with volume rocker to light screen)
3) power on phone and let boot and than power off and wait till you see 100% again
4) now keep doin this and you will notice it will start displaying "100%" faster and faster usually takes 6-7 times cycling like this
5) After you do this download Battery Caliberation (root required) app from market and hit the caliberate button and boom your good to go
I do this on every android phone I own when I flash a new rom or purchase a fresh one. Everyone should do this everytime you flash a new rom and I can CONFIRM significant battery longevity on all my android phones I have done this with
You only have to do it once so just get it out the way and you'll get through a whole dayand have some juice to play with.
I get 15+ hours and do not any battery juice defender apps
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The fact that there are people out there that get really good battery life means the problem is you and not the phone. If you refresh facebook every minute of course your battery life will be crappy. apps like juicedefender are just marketing crap. as long as there are no running apps in the background that eat your battery, you do not need any juicedefender or tasker. also setting screen-off behavior to conservative on set cpu helps improve battery life.
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Just to be clear here, Tasker has nothing to do with battery life. It doesn't hurt it, nor "help" it. However, you certainly could write tasks/contexts that would decrease battery life, and there are a few scripts out there which do silly stuff like autokilling, etc... But if we're talking "battery savings", Tasker and JD do not go in the same category.
IMO JD is only useful if you're frequently in an area with no signal, like you work in a basement or deep inside of a solidly constructed building. Since you mentioned Tasker, in this context it does help me a bit on battery because my wifi turns off when I leave the house, but that's also something JD can help with. If you don't have a wifi connection it'll turn off wifi (and I believe turn it back on periodically to see if there's one available?) I don't use JD, so can't speak too much for it.
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7-3 is 8 hours
exactly how much screen on time do you have by the time its at 85% ? because i mean, it can go on standy for days with nothing on
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Hour? Hour and a half? I'm working during that period. I usually hit news sites and G+ when I'm first at my desk in the morning, so that's 30 minutes or so off and on looking at it, then perhaps an hour over the rest of the day, sometimes more at lunch.
I'll look closer today and post back.
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YOU MUST CALIBERATE THE BATTERY!!
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Complete nonsense. https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/FV3LVtdVxPT
Hey guys
On the weekends I'm usually home and I do use my phone quite a bit..but I'm mostly sitting at my computer doing so.
Is it better for me to keep the phone plugged in or should I be letting it drain? I heard that large drain cycles are not good for the battery and will wear it out faster...I've learnt that with my original Samsung battery...I have an extended one, now.
I've searched around...some people say one thing, others say the opposite...so what's the deal, really?
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Elliott
The battery is desinged to be drained, you can always use your device plugged in when you are about to run outta juice.
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Right...but if I'm going to be texting constantly on the phone...is it better to just leave the phone on charge while I'm using it, or keep draining it/charging it back up?
As I said, use it.
If battery is low, just charge it while you do.
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Thanks.
Anyone else have any info on this?
Elliott
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There was an article on XDA a while ago about the battery in mobile phones.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1168036
Summary:
It doesnt matter if you keep it plugged in or not. It will do no damage to it.
What you shouldn't do with this kind of battery is draining it to 0% like some people suggest. In fact it is better to keep it charged above 40% to maximize the lifetime of your battery.
Here is also an other thread about it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1914417
Thanks for the threads.
The first and 2nd threads you posted through, seem to contradict each other.
The first thread said
Hence constantly recharging a lithium ion battery does not shorten the battery life more than normal usage would. Avoid letting it sit on empty for too long; instead, keep it charged-up if you can.
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Avoid keeping your battery at 100%: Every source I referenced for this guide said the same thing about keeping your battery at a full capacity, but oranageinks.com explains [...]
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lol, we gotta get a lithium battery Ph.D here
I never let my battery die on me, I only do it once to get rid of fuel gauge (although some say that it fixs it on it own after three days or so) whenever I flash a new ROM.
I always let it frain to 15 % or something like that.
Starholdest said:
Thanks for the threads.
The first and 2nd threads you posted through, seem to contradict each other.
The first thread said
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It doesnt really contradict each other. They warn you about heat that is bad for your battery when charged to 100%. Keeping your phone at 100% in a hot enviroment does more damage then having it at 40% in the same enviroment. The same applies to running an app that keeps your cpu running constantly thus heating up your phone.. But in normal circumstances it shouldnt do harm.
It sounds like someone is obsessed about their battery not being at 100% all the time.
Charging and discharging your battery shortens it's life. This is the way it was designed.
Chill, it's just a phone, not an artificial heart
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Lennyz1988 said:
It doesnt really contradict each other. They warn you about heat that is bad for your battery when charged to 100%. Keeping your phone at 100% in a hot enviroment does more damage then having it at 40% in the same enviroment. The same applies to running an app that keeps your cpu running constantly thus heating up your phone.. But in normal circumstances it shouldnt do harm.
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Well I think they clearly contradict each other...one says to keep your battery charged up, the other says not to keep it at 100%...
I understand about the heat degrading batteries...but that's another discussion completely.
Anyone else have any opinion?
f-r said:
It sounds like someone is obsessed about their battery not being at 100% all the time.
Charging and discharging your battery shortens it's life. This is the way it was designed.
Chill, it's just a phone, not an artificial heart
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I wouldn't call myself obsessed...I'm just wondering if leaving it plugged in for a good portion of the day will reduce it's life. Because I did that with my original Samsung battery and it's barely usable for me now...just wondering if leaving it plugged in for long periods of time diminished it's life over a year and a half.
I think batteries don't like to be plugged all the time.
For what i've read in the last 4 years nobody knows exactly what's good and what's not for them.
You be the judge.
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My Galaxy S II (and pretty much any Android evice I've picked up) has a usable battery life of 45 minutes. I unplug the phone at 9 A.M. in the morning after charging it to 100%. By 12 in the afternoon I would have browsed the Internet, checked social apps and played a few rounds of a game for what feels like 45 minutes in total. By then the battery is at 30% and I have to put it away in fear of it dying before I get home. The phone is useless for the rest of the day. My iPhone 4 with its 3 year old battery lasts 2 days like this.
No wakelocks, 99% deep sleep. I have a 3200mAh battery which feels like it lasts 1.5 hours before I have to put it away in fear. Basically the phone is not usable at all due to the user being in constant fear of the battery dying.
If I don't use the phone at all it's down to 20% by the end of the day with no wakelocks and 99% deep sleep. If I don't use my iPhone 4 with its 3 year old battery, it still lasts 20 days.
KurianOfBorg said:
My Galaxy S II (and pretty much any Android evice I've picked up) has a usable battery life of 45 minutes. I unplug the phone at 9 A.M. in the morning after charging it to 100%. By 12 in the afternoon I would have browsed the Internet, checked social apps and played a few rounds of a game for what feels like 45 minutes in total. By then the battery is at 30% and I have to put it away in fear of it dying before I get home. The phone is useless for the rest of the day. My iPhone 4 with its 3 year old battery lasts 2 days like this.
No wakelocks, 99% deep sleep. I have a 3200mAh battery which feels like it lasts 1.5 hours before I have to put it away in fear.
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Well, or you buy a new battery for the S2 or you keep going with your "stylish" i phone. The world is not complicated and phones are not rocket science.
And by the way, games drain battery hard, very hard.
Charge at work, upgrade the battery or stick with your iPhone.
I tip my hat to you and wish you a good day.
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Mine lasts up to 2-3 days with little usage.
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Edvin73 said:
Well, or you buy a new battery for the S2 or you keep going with your "stylish" i phone. The world is not complicated and phones are not rocket science.
And by the way, games drain battery hard, very hard.
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Like I stated, I have a newish 3200mAh battery which is safe to use for 1.5 hours before you have to put the phone away so it lasts the rest of the day.
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Like I stated, I have a newish 3200mAh battery which is safe to use for 1.5 hours before you have to put the phone away so it lasts the rest of the day.
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I hope you checked with BBS, if so and as you said "99% of deep sleep", it means that the games are draining your battery.Well, sometimes even a "newish" battery can be faulty.Try with different battery,I mean a good one for sure.And if your results are the same, stop playing those freakin' games.
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Charge at work, upgrade the battery or stick with your iPhone.
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I do. The battery actually drains while charging if I'm using the phone.
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I hope you checked with BBS, if so and as you said "99% of deep sleep", it means that the games are draining your battery.Well, sometimes even a "newish" battery can be faulty.Try with different battery,I mean a good one for sure.And if your results are the same, stop playing those freakin' games.
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Yes I use BBS and have completely disabled all bloatware using Autostarts. I have the original battery and the Mugen Power 3200mAh battery. The battery life is proportional to with the capacity of the batteries I've used.
The primary use of my phone is mobile gaming. I don't care about the phone part except for receiving push notifications for email, IMs etc. which I then reply to on the PC anyway.
My SG2 and pretty much every Android device I pick up has 45 minutes of battery... Either you have won the lottery and got a defect phone several times or there is something fishy going on..
My sg3 lasted for 24 hours, my s4 last for a couple of days, my motorola razr lasted a week and my iphone 4 went for a day and sometimes 24 hours..
Even if I stress test my sg4 and s3 all the time it would last for a lot loooonger than 45 minutes..
I know the games will use a lot of juice but 45 minutes? Something is wrong...
What kind of games are we talking about? I do not play so much myself, just online poker, some tetris and so on, my iphone and android phones is pretty similar when talking about these games...
You could go for a Nintendo Game Boy etc
That said I taught ICS used less battery than JB. And it's pretty weird if you have the mugen battery. My Razer had a 3300 battery and that would go for days, even with heavy usage.
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mr.lysgaard said:
My SG2 and pretty much every Android device I pick up has 45 minutes of battery... Either you have won the lottery and got a defect phone several times or there is something fishy going on..
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I've extensively used the Galaxy S, Galaxy S II, Galaxy Note, Nexus One, Nexus S. All of them can be used heavily (3G, gaming) for just 45-60 minutes before the battery is low and you have to save it for the rest of the day.
Simply listening to music for 2 hours in the gym drains 35% battery! WTF? This is without any equaliser and while using an external headphone amplifier. I could listen to music for 2-3 hours a day for 1 week on my old iPod touch before needing to charge it.
mr.lysgaard said:
What kind of games are we talking about?
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I'm currently grinding in Punch Quest.
mr.lysgaard said:
You could go for a Nintendo Game Boy etc
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Those currently suck. No more AAA games like the PSP had.
mr.lysgaard said:
That said I taught ICS used less battery than JB. And it's pretty weird if you have the mugen battery. My Razer had a 3300 battery and that would go for days, even with heavy usage.
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With zero usage and I mean barely switching on the screen once or twice to check the time, my 3200mAh Mugen battery is at 55% by evening. No wakelock, full deep sleep. The original battery will be below 20% or dead with zero usage.
KurianOfBorg said:
With zero usage and I mean barely switching on the screen once or twice to check the time, my 3200mAh Mugen battery is at 55% by evening. No wakelock, full deep sleep. The original battery will be below 20% or dead with zero usage.
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Maybe you usually install a battery discharger app?
Never had such behaviour.
bernie279 said:
Maybe you usually install a battery discharger app?
Never had such behaviour.
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If I enable Aeroplane mode it's still at 99% after a day.
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I do. The battery actually drains while charging if I'm using the phone.
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Possibly a crap battery, but im going to suggest you don't use the samsung charger. The phone holds a wakelock whilst charging, keeping the phone running at 200Mhz, so unless you are delivering 650mA, your phone will die. Therefore I suggest you are using an unofficial charger, which doesn't deliver the needed 650mA, or you have an unofficial battery which wont accept 650mA. Either way, if you're not using Samsung appliances you shouldn't really be complaining about crap battery.
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Possibly a crap battery, but im going to suggest you don't use the samsung charger. The phone holds a wakelock whilst charging, keeping the phone running at 200Mhz, so unless you are delivering 650mA, your phone will die. Therefore I suggest you are using an unofficial charger, which doesn't deliver the needed 650mA, or you have an unofficial battery which wont accept 650mA. Either way, if you're not using Samsung appliances you shouldn't really be complaining about crap battery.
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I am using the original Samsung charger and the original Samsung battery. I have an additional 3200mAh Mugen Power battery.
It drains faster than the charge rate only if I'm playing games.
Could be many things then, but as you say BBS doesnt report wakelocks, it would all just be conjecture. Try and pull a logcat after an hour or so of deepsleep and see if you notice anything untoward. Also, have you done simple things like turn WiFi off when you're not using it? That scans every 15 seconds or something. Or if you're in a crap phone signal area, your phone will keep scanning for and trying to connect to a better signal.
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Or if you're in a crap phone signal area, your phone will keep scanning for and trying to connect to a better signal.
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It's the phone obviously. Like I said if I put it in Aeroplane mode than the battery is still at 99% at the end of the day. If it's in normal mode it drains severely. I don't have this problem on any other phone. I've flashed the latest modem for my region and tried older modems for my region as well.
Not sure but it sounds like you have technical issues with your phone.
I have the official Samsung uprated battery and I loose about 60% out of the phone battery a day with heavy usage. Usually doesn't get to that point as I charge at work or home when not in use.
I take it as a given that all smart phones, tablets or laptops have ****e battery life.
Blanket generalisations about specific OS' or brands being superior to others is just silliness.
Saying that, when it comes to battery life, my HP Touchpad running CM 10.1 pisses all over any iOS device and the ghost of Steve Jobs agrees with me!
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mckeowngoo said:
I have the official Samsung uprated battery and I loose about 60% out of the phone battery a day with heavy usage.
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I take it as a given that all smart phones, tablets or laptops have ****e battery life.
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60% at the end of the day is a joke. It's unacceptable. Without use My iPhone 4 is at 95% at the end of the day with everything switched on and every possible syncing enabled. Why is it so hard for Samsung to produce a properly working phone after 5 years? I am 100% sure their latest phones like the Galaxy S 4 behave exactly the same way no matter what PR bull**** they try to spin.
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60% at the end of the day is a joke. It's unacceptable. Without use My iPhone 4 is at 95% at the end of the day with everything switched on and every possible syncing enabled. Why is it so hard for Samsung to produce a properly working phone after 5 years? I am 100% sure their latest phones like the Galaxy S 4 behave exactly the same way no matter what PR bull**** they try to spin.
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Seems the iPhone is the device meant for you, for me in normal usage it lasts 2 and a half days altogether with the stock battery, heavy usage like a gameplay of Gamelofts Modern Combat series or N.O.V.A gives me 3 hours of continuous play after which the battery reaches around 7-10%, wifi in JB sadly kills my battery only gets around 6 hour's with continuous usage which was greater in my GB and ICS days.
But 95% at the end of the day for the iPhone 4 with everything ON is a bit of an exaggeration(the hell kind of unremovable battery is that?) don't you think?
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king_below_my_lord said:
But 95% at the end of the day for the iPhone 4 with everything ON is a bit of an exaggeration(the hell kind of unremovable battery is that?) don't you think?
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Everything on with no use. Thats the drain in standby. My SGS2 drains whether I use it or not with everything on. In aeroplane mode, it stays at 99% without use.