Sony's refresh of the Xperia S is officially confirmed, specs are all the same except it has a 1.7ghz processor and it ships with ICS
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-sl/
http://m.engadget.com/2012/08/18/sony-xperia-sl-gsm-phone-official/?icid=m_eng_latest_art
Who's going to upgrade? I'm not, only a slight increase in specs, I'm sticking with my Xperia S until maybe Sony's 2013 lineup with quad core devices
Hope capacitive buttons panel is new.
Honestly i see no point what so ever to update if you already have the Xperia S. Yes it has a 1.7Ghz but still does not matter. Anyways i am staying with my Xperia S.
Yea hopefully they have the new panel for the captivate buttons but who knows. Also this comes with the new 4.0 ICS update but here in Canada we have yet seen this update. So am i guessing they wont release it here.
Sony is really doing an HTC this year. So many unnecessary Xperia models with similar looks and specs.
Sony should really start thinking on selling quad core devices, and be ahead of most of the other companies or at least be in the same range
Not worth to upgrade. At least now we know it's safe to overclock over phones to 1.7Ghz now.
Sony has f*ck*d us , new device( same As sxs but with + 200 mhz) , so Xperia s problem will be forgotten ( Yellow tint, display without yellow tint worse than the first display, different charger, no tag in the box, camera focus problem ( partially resolved with ics) etc....
What do you think?
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+1.. They should spend sometime on supporting their product such as upgrading OS etc.. really don't know what they're thinking. More phone with almost identical spec???
Do they even care about their existing customer?
randy_c said:
+1.. They should spend sometime on supporting their product such as upgrading OS etc.. really don't know what they're thinking. More phone with almost identical spec???
Do they even care about their existing customer?
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you guys should know that Sony is re-doing Sony Ericsson phones portfolio, meaning reselling the older designs/series into NZT styles. why do you think most of the phones represent older ericcson phones? for a reason.
then again this the Xperia Arc S (xperia SL u could link them perhaps) was the last phone seen from Ericsson. So therfor Sony should be able to start fresh next Year with their new phones instead of remaking older models
Sony is finaly rolling some models.
Not like Sony Ericson which had only few models and they were outdated
Sony are being retarded. Whats the point in releasing 10 different versions of the same underdeveloped phone?
They are barely supporting the Xperia S and now another pointless update?
Forzaferrarileo said:
Sony has f*ck*d us , new device( same As sxs but with + 200 mhz) , so Xperia s problem will be forgotten ( Yellow tint, display without yellow tint worse than the first display, different charger, no tag in the box, camera focus problem ( partially resolved with ics) etc....
What do you think?
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Ill agree with that
it ist just a life cycle impulse. don´t cry like litlle babies.
it is quite usual to do this and especially se/sony did this in the past.
ps one, ps2 slim, ps3 slim, psp slim, arc s, x10 hd, vivaz pro/hd ( can´t remember well) .....
Got to wonder how they've gotten 1.7GHz out of an S3 unless it's been shrunk to 28nm process.
Quad cores will be a flash in the pan for now, dual core a15's (S4) are faster in most cases than a Quad A9 and a lot faster in day to day use
I guess this is great for anyone who has a real XDA/SetCPU phobia.
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Got to wonder how they've gotten 1.7GHz out of an S3 unless it's been shrunk to 28nm process.
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You don't need to. Each batch of chips results into some really good ones, a lot of "just average" and some "underperformers". Depending on business model the manufacturer could choose to sell them at several different speed grades (like Intel or AMD) or just scrap the underperformers and sell the rest as "average" (like [email protected]) even if some of them could actually clock higher.
As manufacturing process matures and gets tuned, you will start getting more and more really good ones. At some time you can produce enough of them to be able to introduce a new quicker grade.
Quad cores will be a flash in the pan for now, dual core a15's (S4) are faster in most cases than a Quad A9 and a lot faster in day to day use
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It looks like qualcomm is still unable to produce enough of S4's and Sony is forced to scramble for stop gap solutions. "Warmed up" SXSL could be just one of them.
This is why manufacturers are using S4 only where they absolutely need to, for example because of requirement to support LTE. And even splash out a lot of cash for parallel and arguably worse hardware designs based on Tegra3 (HTC One X usa vs international). Or even roll back to S3 (htc one s in some markets).
This is why almost every new tablet comes with Tegra3 and almost none based on S4.
cikomiko said:
it ist just a life cycle impulse. don´t cry like litlle babies.
it is quite usual to do this and especially se/sony did this in the past.
ps one, ps2 slim, ps3 slim, psp slim, arc s, x10 hd, vivaz pro/hd ( can´t remember well) .....
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It is not valid to compare these to the PlayStation refreshes, completely different.
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You don't need to. Each batch of chips results into some really good ones, a lot of "just average" and some "underperformers". Depending on business model the manufacturer could choose to sell them at several different speed grades (like Intel or AMD) or just scrap the underperformers and sell the rest as "average" (like [email protected]) even if some of them could actually clock higher.
As manufacturing process matures and gets tuned, you will start getting more and more really good ones. At some time you can produce enough of them to be able to introduce a new quicker grade.
It looks like qualcomm is still unable to produce enough of S4's and Sony is forced to scramble for stop gap solutions. "Warmed up" SXSL could be just one of them.
This is why manufacturers are using S4 only where they absolutely need to, for example because of requirement to support LTE. And even splash out a lot of cash for parallel and arguably worse hardware designs based on Tegra3 (HTC One X usa vs international). Or even roll back to S3 (htc one s in some markets).
This is why almost every new tablet comes with Tegra3 and almost none based on S4.
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You don't need S4 to support LTE. SG2 LTE has two or even one core...
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The xperia s was never an Ericsson in the first place
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The xperia s was never an Ericsson in the first place
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Really? So I'm getting blured vision because headphones, charger, battery, manuals and anything else that I don't remember at this moment says "SONY ERICSSON".
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I just saw a face of between the xperia arc and the GS2. I was utterly shocked by just how much of a beating the arc took off the GS2. If it were a boxing fight, it would have been over quicker than the Tyson/ Spinks bout which ended in 9 secs.
My initial thoughts of the arc were that it was a great phone but having only a life span of about a year because of the cpu (in other words it would only be good until the next gen of apps that require or at least take full advantage of dual core technology come out). Seeing it up against the GS2 has changed all that. I just don't think despite it's great design that it is a phone worth getting in 2011. I saw a review in which the reviewer described the arc as a first gen high end device while the GS2 was a next gen high end device. In my opinion, from the face off between the two phones, that was a very generous description of the arc. The truth is that the bar for high end devices has been raised quite substantially, especially with respect to performance, that last years high end specs are now this years mid range specs. You can rightly infer from that that the arc is a mid range device(bravia screen or not).
The performance and functionality of the GS2 are just light years ahead of the arc. I saw a while back, the face off between the x10 on 1.6 and the galaxy s on 2.1 and although the galaxy s won, the gap between the two phones was much narrower. It seems SE, far from catching up with the competition, are in actuality falling further behind (in software and hardware development).
In conclusion, in my opinion if you own an x10, stay well clear of the arc especially with gingerbread coming to the x10 soon. By the time your contract is up, maybe SE would have come up with a dual core phone that's worthy of an upgrade. The ARC is most certainly not that phone.
Why don't you post in the proper forum?!!!!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=962
The post was for those considering the arc. For those who already have one, the die is cast.
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Mind linking to this face off?
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Mind linking to this face off?
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There is another video comparison between the 2 phones on you tube. Done by an English guy with a northern accent. That one really shows the raw power of the GS2
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I've already seen these, they were done by a Samsung fanboy. I was wondering if the OP was talking about some other one
You can't compare a phone with dual core 1.2Ghz and 1GB RAM over a phone with 1Ghz single core and 500MB RAM.
The review/faceoff doesn't change the fact that the SGSII is a Samsung.
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The review/faceoff doesn't change the fact that the SGSII is a Samsung.
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I agree with you. The only phone that you might really need skip is the one with definite deathgrip.
Just a thought:
When A Single Core Proc can create wonders Y worry about a dual core SmartPhone??
Dual core, Maybe in 2012..
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I agree with you. The only phone that you might really need skip is the one with definite deathgrip.
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HAHA that was precious! +1!
I had x10...I'll never buy SE phone again
i am going to say i'll never buy a SE phone anymore but look at the current market, SE is always 1 generation behind competitors, really needs to be a big fanboy to convince myself to get anotherSE phone.
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Just a thought:
When A Single Core Proc can create wonders Y worry about a dual core SmartPhone??
Dual core, Maybe in 2012..
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I used to think like that too but I am sorry, the performance and smoothness of gs2 just kills the arc. It's almost a joke. Why would you buy a vastly inferior device just because of it's design and brand name. That's the height of superficiallity and if I might add, stupidity. I mean you would not choose a single core computer over a multi core one just because of its looks now would you.
Whether or not there aren't the apps that need dual core available is now in my opinion secondary. Primarily the performance and features of the gs2 just dwarf that of the Arc. SE fanboys should just get a grip, climb down from the clouds, and face the very naked truth.
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Sorry, i replied the wrong place! Big apology here! Too many tabs were opened.
Look, SE has said publicly that they have decided to not compete on hardware. They are not aiming for cutting edge hardware but for the more stylish middle market. They claim to be happy with this decision. They get to make more markup by using not so hot and costly hardware. On the other hand they have not sold a tenth of the phones that Samsung sold with software defects. Even the Play has been criticised for the dim screen and lacklustre cpu/gpu combination. (And the Play will shortly compete with the Vita whose hardware is really next generation and lists at half the price!)
So to buy SE phones you have to have a different reason. Style, software, support, price. They blew the support confidence with the X10, and are trying to rebuild that with extended updated firmware promises to keep x10 owners quiet while they attempt to sell Arc/Play/Neo worldwide.
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Look, SE has said publicly that they have decided to not compete on hardware. They are not aiming for cutting edge hardware but for the more stylish middle market. They claim to be happy with this decision. They get to make more markup by using not so hot and costly hardware.
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...and yet the "non-stylish upper market" complains about their products. Maybe someday people will stop buying whatever they are fed and buy for what they need:
you need speed, get samsung, you need updates, get HTC, you need looks, get SE... It's SOOOOO easy.
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Well if they have officially decided to go with style over substance, then I am afraid its a decision they will bitterly regret. Their competitors in the style stakes (apple & dell) are not exactly going to stand still with hardware. They don't have to have the best hardware specs delivering the ultimate performance but they certainly need to have a worthy contender and then let their great design carry them over the line.
SE need to shape up quickly and I feel maybe some new blood at the very top of the company (especially on the Ericsson side of the equation) is badly needed.
Don't get me mistaken for some kind of Samsung fanboy or SE hater. I am myself predisposed to SE phones and want to see them at least staying within range of the competion. If that means we SE users have to keep pointing this out to them wherever we can, then this we should do until they wake up from this deep slumber. This way rather than, as I have heard many, wishing for a SE shell with HTC entrails or some other combination, we can someday end up with a real king from SE.
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very true, I owned x10 , then tried with Arc then quickly sold it while
has values after suffering 60 days of rebooting phone, as soon as S2 for sale online, get myself a uk version of S2. Asia still not for sale.
now. ......
very happy with this. ..... S2.
cheers
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Samsung Galaxy S III is a mighty beast? Agreed. Does it have the meanest specs? It does. Can it be upgraded to Android's latest when it comes? Might not be.
S III reviews are coming out and here's a quote from The Verge's review-
"One thing that goes consistently overlooked with respect to Samsung’s phones is the company’s ignominious track record with Android software updates. There may be worse offenders out there, but Samsung’s chronic failure to update its devices on time (or at all) is a significant black mark for a brand looking to lead the way in almost every other respect. Thus, as much as I may enjoy the Galaxy S III today, I have to temper that enthusiasm with the knowledge that its long-term future may not be as rosy as that of a stock Android device"
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/25/3042640/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-review
The Galaxy S II ICS update hasn't come to India yet where Sony is almost ready to release ICS updates for their low-end range in a week, despite S II being a flagship. People in this forum are constantly doubting Sony's commitment to their customers. I don't know why but they should never. For a company which is willing to support the developer community for the greater good, nothing speaks more trust than that. So if you worried about the ICS update or future updates about your XPERIA S, never worry. Just wait for a couple of weeks more and you will get it.
So will you trust Sony?
i owned an xperia x10->ray and now xperia s.
the xps is a very good phone i can say is fantastic, i played some howers a go a game made by qualcomm it self (snapdragon) the game is Desert wind still in very very alpha and not even completed and i can say that game completly destroys all tegra 3 games i ever seen!
but lets be honest the galaxy s3 is a better phone in many aspects, is a newer high end phone is normal to be better, not only for the futures he comes with but for the hardware to, if i should buy a new phone right now i'll wait for the galaxy s 3!
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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Even my X10 MP could run ICS. But that's marketing. It has been like that and always will be.
Xperia for life..
Sony simply love the aftermarket developers, users need.
They are social company, not some kind of competitor like apple or samsung, they aiming only for money..
Sony aim also on money, but taking in mind care of users, satisfaction of user, being reliable, accepting if they mistake in something (arc case, xperia s screen) and wiling to repair it for free...
what do you need more?
great phone poor support
i cant think of many reasons, and i have the xperia s,
it has a better screen (ppi) and i prefer the look of the xperia s, when ics comes to the xperia s i might be able to find more however with the s3 having a much larger battery, current reviews(benchmarks) say it has twice the standby time of the htc one x,
although samsung have fallen in the update area, sony have been far from good with theres with something as small as firmware and ics, three, tmobile and orange have all released there version of the .73 firmware to fix the battery drain issue and there is no generic version released as yet and wont be for some weeks, i developed the yellow tint on my first xperia s and had to wait 6 weeks for my phone to be returned, not sure what samsung are like at this but from my point of view i paid £400 for as phone that went dead after 42 days !!!! i should have had a replacement set to me not a repair
then there is ics which has a big stamp on the box saying its upgradable, the one x comes out with it, the 2011 range get it and still another month or two wait for there so called flagship to recieve the update when samsung s2 recieved the upgrade before sony got it to the 2011 range aswell,
sony were once the best in the market but now there one of the worst for it,
as much as i love the phone to pieces and wouldnt swap it for anything else on the market at the moment the support from sony and the timely updates are appalling,
i even had a chat with sony support and asked when the 73 firmware update will be released for generic uk users and his response was "do you mean ics" further training needed too i think,
plus on the xperia s
screen
camera
playstation certified
panorama 3d photos,
hdmi support
styling (see thru cap at bottom is a very good touch esp in a dark room/club)
plus on the samsung
processor
lte version to be released
additional micro sd slot ( i know 32gb is enough but what about when you want to print photos direct from the phone in store) micro sd does come in handy
ics already pre installed,
better browsing due to ics
better multitaksing due to ics the list can go on
when xperia s gets ics i still think the xperia s will be the better phone as you dont need a quad core nowadays but it has to be listed as a pro for the s3, i doubt you will get the use of it for another year or so until some advanced apps come out,
pshdo said:
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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The Samasung track record for updating is much much worse than Sony. Sony is one of the best when it comes to updating for Android. Also I would rather have them wait and release an almost perfect version than push out a crummy one. Go test the HTC One series which have lag issues in ICS and you will see what I mean.
pshdo said:
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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You should try owning a Motorola if you think Sony have done you a disservice.
Fanboi threads are fail. Sony lost alot of good will with the fiasco that was the x10. Samsung ran rings around them and to be fair, and speaking as an S user, they still do. Updates? Sony vs Samsung? It's a no brainer. The S2 didn't get to where it is by shoddy after market support, quite the contrary. If it wasn't for the vast number of pissed off customers the x10 would still be running 2.1. Sony lovers devs? The lols just keep coming. All the aftermarket devs have done has been to show just how incompetent Sony are, how they try to hoodwink their less tech savvy customers by spinning utter bull**** about hardware limitations etc... And the list goes on. 3 months down the line im still waiting to be able to have some fun with my S. Silly me, should have held on to my brilliant S2 and waited for a proper phone by a manufacturer that knows how to please the masses.
Well, I would never, ever consider the Xperia S over the S3. Never. Xperia S in my opinion is a competitor of the GNex. S3? No.
The Hayabusa will be that phone.
And about the updates, remember that Carriers are the biggest problem, specially in these cases of "not in my country!"
And didn't Sony just said they won't update the Xperia Play? I mean, seriously?
lol where is the update for the original flagship arc? They updated the mid end neo V and ray but not the arc how wonderful!! And did you hear they cancelled the update for the xperia play despite "promising" it?
Wait wait where is the update for the xperia S for that matter? Are you even serious making this topic? So what if the S2 update hasnt reached india yet? It's pretty simple to put another country firmware, you really dont need indian firmware just because one lives in india. There is hardly any difference.
Samsung has bad support for their mid end and low end phones yes thats true but it doesnt apply in the slightest bit to their flagship. The galaxy S was one of the first phones after nexus S to get gingerbread. Galaxy S wasnt updated to ICS but neither was any other phone from it's time.
It's unfortunate that the Xperia PLAY won't get ICS, but it's down to issues with the gamepad and changes in ICS - which would ultimately require most Xperia PLAY optimised games to be modified.
I think Sony realised that this was not practical and had to make a tough decision. Yes, it does mean they can no longer claim to be upgrading every single 2011 model - but one exception is still pretty good compared to all of those HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola models released in 2011 that won't get updates (contrary to popular belief, Samsung did release more than the Note and Galaxy S II last year!).
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It's unfortunate that the Xperia PLAY won't get ICS, but it's down to issues with the gamepad and changes in ICS - which would ultimately require most Xperia PLAY optimised games to be modified.
I think Sony realised that this was not practical and had to make a tough decision. Yes, it does mean they can no longer claim to be upgrading every single 2011 model - but one exception is still pretty good compared to all of those HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola models released in 2011 that won't get updates (contrary to popular belief, Samsung did release more than the Note and Galaxy S II last year!).
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If you cut down the SGSII variants that are a problem of the carriers, the number of devices goes down.
Plus, they should be working in the update of the Xperia S even before it's release. I dunno why they did this the way they did. They screwed up big time IMO.
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It's unfortunate that the Xperia PLAY won't get ICS, but it's down to issues with the gamepad and changes in ICS - which would ultimately require most Xperia PLAY optimised games to be modified.
I think Sony realised that this was not practical and had to make a tough decision. Yes, it does mean they can no longer claim to be upgrading every single 2011 model - but one exception is still pretty good compared to all of those HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola models released in 2011 that won't get updates (contrary to popular belief, Samsung did release more than the Note and Galaxy S II last year!).
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HTC is updating most of it's phones as well, even the desire HD which was launched in 2010!! You cant expect them to update something like the wildfire S with a 600mhz CPU and 512MB ROM. The minimum xperia phone getting updated is 1Ghz CPU and 1GB ROM.
Samsung did mess up yes but not on their flagship, do you even know the S2 has started shipping with ICS out of the box? The verge reviewer has no idea what he is talking about.
I never recommend the cheaper samsung phones to anyone but to try to put the S3 in a negative spot because of how samsung treats it's cheaper phones is ridiculous.
http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_s_ii_in_india_is_now_shipping_with_android_40_ics-news-4273.php
The reviewer of The Verge is the guy who got his heart broken by Samsung in the release of the S3.
I'm just pleased to see that he did gave a 0 to the phone.
Another plus for the S3, the dev support it will have will likely be unprecedent. It's already the most preordered gadget in history (sure, the number is much higher than the real purchases because some people have pre ordered different collors and memory amount just to be safe).
Motorola sucks. I hope that with it's new CEO things will change there and they get back on the right track of producing great phones. My Motorola Milestone (2009) is able to run CM9 with it's OMAP3 550mhz (overclocked at 1ghz) and 256mb of RAM, pretty impressive for a device with a locked bootloader, IMO.
I agree with you that Xperia S is better, but your reason isn't right. The thing is everyone's impressed with the s3's specs like qead-core processor although it is something you definitely don't need these days. You will never get to a point when a dual-core will not be enough for ANY kind of software. Moreover, xperia S' camera is better and has faster processor.
Long story short, Samsung is putting a lot of effort on over mighty specifications you don't need, maybe just for the once who compare it to the S by specs only. The ICS delay is annoying I must say, but it is not that terrible.. Another month is not THAT much.
Xperia S is sexy, awesome display and camera, and very fast. Sony is my choice.
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You will never get to a point when a dual-core will not be enough for ANY kind of software. Moreover, xperia S' camera is better and has faster processor.
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They said the same thing about 1Ghz single core CPU's, they always say xyz will always be enough forever but it is never the case. The biggest limitation of xperia S is actually the GPU which really could have been better for 720p resolution. 1.5Ghz dual core CPU and 1GB ram would not cause any issues for a long time.
Xperia S camera is not better just because it has more megapixels. I would think the camera is just about equal on both, the great feature the xperia S has is camera button.
And xperia has faster processor? lol wut?
pshdo said:
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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Did Samsung Galaxy S get ICS? And mind u, Samsung sold a butt load of those.
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To a few people here, easy guys. Let's have a constructive discussion and not a bashing one. I for one am not a Sony representative and am quite an objective gadget lover - have many devices including an iPod touch (because I love Apple's OS fluidoty), a Galaxy S2, the Xperia S and the Ray. It makes sense to love everything
Now to the point I wanted to make. Companies should sometimes care about customers too. The fact that X10 got 2.3 is huge. Do you remember Samsung's first galaxy having anything more than 1.6? Do you remember the HTC Hero with more than 2.1? Sony never left these customers in the lurch. Asking for ICS when you bought the X10 is like wishing for lifetime ice-cream supply.
I will tell you another case which I think everybody should know. Samsung quietly replaced the S2 I9100 with I9100G a couple of months ago in the Indian market. What do you say is all the fuss eh? The chipset inside is not a dual-core Exynos or Mali GFX chipset. It's replaced by Cortex A9 and PowerVR SGX540. The processor was underclocked. The GPU was inferior. Asked Samsung on Twitter and they said that chipsets have been replaced but they have similar performance. Benchmarks around the world suggested otherwise. So is Samsung being very clever? Would you like to buy something that is a lie and a false promise in the first place? They just released this model in developing markets because there was a Exynos shortage for European markets so they realised why not fool the mindless buyers of lowly markets!
And I have one question at the end of this - WOULD YOU HAVE ACCEPTED SUCH MANIPULATIVE MARKET PRACTICES?
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Hardware debate again. The only valid argument for GSIII is its hardware.
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Well i finally said goodbye to my Galaxy S3, will i miss it nope not at all, mainly because it suffered from both dust issue's around the edges, and had probs with 32GB sandisk memory cards, other than that it been great.
Now because of the probs with the Galaxy S3, I'm tempted to skip Samsung this time around & head over to the Sony camp with the Xperia Z, what i seen so far it nothing short of brilliant, looks like Sony have really got their act together now, just hope they also get their act together when it comes to future updates aswell.
BUT
There also a small matter of the Galaxy S4 in the next couple of months, the thing that will put me off the Galaxy S4 if the design is based around the Galaxy S3, i don't want to have another smartphone suffer from dust around the edges again, as this pissed me off no end, but i'm a fan of touchwiz I loved the last update on the Galaxy S3 like split screen ect, and I've no doubt they improve touchwiz again with more new features on the GS4.
Then we got the specs, which will probably blow the others out of the water, but will it matter on Android 4.2.1 as the others will also have simliar specs ie Quad core 2gig of ram 4G ect, all very capable of running latest version of Android in 2013 and into 2014.
Also the camera is an important feature to me as i tend to use it alot, Sony really has a good camera on the Xperia Z with HDR video recording, picture quality is top notch aswell, going off what i've seen on Flickr.
On the Galaxy S3 the camera for a smartphone was superb, the lowlight feature that was added in the latest update is nothing short of brilliant i think.
I think the Galaxy S4 will probably use the same Sony Sensor that used in the Xperia Z unless they decide to make their own that is.
But eitherway camera is gonna be good.
I've got a hard decision to make over the next couple of months to get either the Sony or hang fire until we see what the S4 gonna be like.
In the meantime with the money sat in the bank, I'm now using my Nokia Lumia 800 as my backup phone, which in all honesty isn't a bad little phone and makes for a great backup Smartphone.
Don't let the door hit ya on your way out.
Anyways, the Z looks nice but Sony is known to be slow with updates. Maybe the Z could run aosp nicely though.
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I'm with you. I'm waiting for the Z to be released in my country to buy it, it looks great and the specs are awesome.
Sony are very developer friendly, AOSP "aware" too. Samsung... aren't. Sony tend to get their hardware designs correct, Samsung struggle with basics like flash timings -SDS (even their own brand eMMC).
You decide. Pros and Cons for both, personal preference is the only matter.
GET the S4. the Z might look nice, but it's hardware is basically outdated. S4 PRO is a 2012 chip, not a 2013 chip. It also isn't REAL a15, so Tegra 4, Exynos 5, and the "s" series, s600 and s800 will beat da crap out of the s4 pro in the Z. But it's your choice, if you want already outdated hardware.. go ahead..
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GET the S4. the Z might look nice, but it's hardware is basically outdated. S4 PRO is a 2012 chip, not a 2013 chip. It also isn't REAL a15, so Tegra 4, Exynos 5, and the "s" series, s600 and s800 will beat da crap out of the s4 pro in the Z. But it's your choice, if you want already outdated hardware.. go ahead..
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Outdated or not, it not gonna struggle with anything from Android this year, or next year for that matter.
Tell me one thing that the S4 pro will have problems with software wise?
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Outdated or not, it not gonna struggle with anything from Android this year, or next year for that matter.
Tell me one thing that the S4 pro will have problems with software wise?
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it'll be outdated. just wait for the first coming comparisons with the S4 and Z. I can guarantee you that the S4 will blow the Z out of the water, reason why, is that it'll have a REAL a15 SoC.
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Outdated or not, it not gonna struggle with anything from Android this year, or next year for that matter.
Tell me one thing that the S4 pro will have problems with software wise?
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It will struggle surely next year
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Here is your answer Sony released kernel source for Xperia Z before the phone is even available for purchase https://www.xda-developers.com/andr...ce-released-prior-to-worldwide-device-launch/
Go for the Z.
Kernel source isn't much dude... But good job trying to market for Sony. Besides they are required to do that anyway by GPL. They need processor data sheets, the binaries source.
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http://www.xperiaguide.com/2014/01/...412-wi-fi-real-photos-user-manual-leaked-fcc/
Ultra Wifi
jutley said:
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What a waste of hardware instead they should be working on the next gen of the ultra 2.0 with a better camera with flash a new CPU and smaller Basel. Come on sony that is lame
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What a waste of hardware instead they should be working on the next gen of the ultra 2.0 with a better camera with flash a new CPU and smaller Basel. Come on sony that is lame
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A new CPU? The Snapdragon 800 is already top of the line. At best we can see a 805, but its not exactly that special. Faster GPU again, bit higher clock speed on the CPU, ...
Better Camera, sure ... especially with flash ( is actually a handy flashlight ). And preferable a removable battery ( so a extended battery can be installed without all the voltage conversion, and other power drains ).
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What a waste of hardware instead they should be working on the next gen of the ultra 2.0 with a better camera with flash a new CPU and smaller Basel. Come on sony that is lame
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They are definitely working on the Ultra 2 as we speak. It doesn't take a week to develop a new device. It takes a looong time. Do you think a device is finished when it gets released? No, the device itself is finished long before release. They have to manufacture hundreds of thousands or millions of devices for the release day, and that takes time, so they probably started with the Ultra 2 some time ago. They have to design it, they have to order up parts and components for that specific device, they have to test it for long periods of time. It's not done in a week.
The average time it takes a small team to develop a native app? Everything between 4-12 months (depending on its complexity), and that's just code. Now, how long does it take to make a physical device plus software to run on it?
by new cpu I meant to say higher CPU clock speed. I know that Snapdragon 800 is the fastest now but at a lower speed on the ultra.
After using the Z Ultra for a few months, I feel that Sony is a bit conflicted on how to position this great product. It is awkward to use it as a phone (when making phone call, keep it in the pocket) and the slew of accessories only alienating it from functioning as a phone (the CP-12 Power case, SBH52 Bluetooth Handset). And now producing a version with only wifi connectivity.
It seems that Sony itself is not sure what exactly is the Z Ultra.
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only problem I have is that now everybody is going think the Z Ultra is just a tablet. kinda like the iPhone 4/4s deal where the only way to differentiate the two was for the person to tell you since they looked identical from the exterior. Lol
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hello guys...
a pleasant day, now i just found that this mobile down to cheapest price but good in specs...
is this good and worth to buy now? and on what update version of android does this one have?
im not sure which is good and difference between one x and one x+ its just like attractive with 32 gb internal..
pls help me decide on its usage and durabilty now a days...
big thanks guys...
-dennis...
Its a totally awesome phone. Most htc phones have something about them that is noticeably lacking... But not this model. Even today it is just a kick ass device.
But whatever you do, don't buy the attached version. There is a reason they are $100 cheaper on eBay. Basically ZERO Dev support. The international version gets all the goods. Sucks too because the att version works at full speed with any gsm carrier
Buy it dude!! HOX+ is one of the legendary devices.. It's camera is excellent.. on par with the current generation devices..
But on the other side, HOX+ will eventually lose its battery backup capacity easily.. and it becomes hot on continuos usage.. so think carefully before you buy..
'Be careful what you wish for'
Good luck:laugh:
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hello guys...
a pleasant day, now i just found that this mobile down to cheapest price but good in specs...
is this good and worth to buy now? and on what update version of android does this one have?
im not sure which is good and difference between one x and one x+ its just like attractive with 32 gb internal..
pls help me decide on its usage and durabilty now a days...
big thanks guys...
-dennis...
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Dont even bother buying this device , i have the AT&T version 64 GB , camera sucks on both INT and At&t , and the device also heats up on games. I have rooted and using custom rom. Buy some new cellphones. Further it had Tegra3 for which there are no more updates available. Its processor is based on 40nm die architecture which is old. Dont buy cellphones with Nvidia Chipsets.
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Dont even bother buying this device , i have the AT&T version 64 GB , camera sucks on both INT and At&t , and the device also heats up on games. I have rooted and using custom rom. Buy some new cellphones. Further it had Tegra3 for which there are no more updates available. Its processor is based on 40nm die architecture which is old. Dont buy cellphones with Nvidia Chipsets.
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It's a great phone, I've always loved it. But there are better phones, many.
True about the Tegra 3, it heats up while gaming. Battery life is not that great (especially on mine, 2yo).
Camera is acceptable, but I wouldn't call it great. The screen however, is like one of best out there.
Differences between the One X and the One X+ is the internal memory and an upgraded Tegra 3 (for the +).
Additionally also Glosnass support for the +
It's old tech, wouldn't buy it right now. Buy a new generation phone with a newer processor, because the nVidia chipset in this one is outdated.
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Dont even bother buying this device , i have the AT&T version 64 GB , camera sucks on both INT and At&t , and the device also heats up on games. I have rooted and using custom rom. Buy some new cellphones. Further it had Tegra3 for which there are no more updates available. Its processor is based on 40nm die architecture which is old. Dont buy cellphones with Nvidia Chipsets.
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You must be sick to be recommending not buying Nvidia chipsets. Tegra 3 is one of the best GPUs available right now leaving alone the Tegra 4 which is only available on the Nvidia Shield and other limited number of devices.
I've used some varieties of cell phones and i've found the camera quality one of the best in this device. Running a quad core clocked at 1.7 Ghz and expecting it to not heat up? You must be bull****ting here.
Please dont defame a good phone just because you don't like it for some frickin reason.
Buddy you should update yourself since this phone is stuck at 4.2.2 while Samsung S3 is getting kitkat updates. Further huawei P7 doesnt even heat up on games like San Andreas since my friend and i compared it. One x + no doubt is a lovely phone but please in 2014 dont buy it. Further game experience is laggy. I am using it so i know better..
Goodluck.
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You must be sick to be recommending not buying Nvidia chipsets. Tegra 3 is one of the best GPUs available right now leaving alone the Tegra 4 which is only available on the Nvidia Shield and other limited number of devices.
I've used some varieties of cell phones and i've found the camera quality one of the best in this device. Running a quad core clocked at 1.7 Ghz and expecting it to not heat up? You must be bull****ting here.
Please dont defame a good phone just because you don't like it for some frickin reason.
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Dude, Dont buy.
buy Tegra only with nexus devices otherwise screw NVIDIA.
oh!
Whatever! It's a very nice device.. Just buy it..! :laugh:
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You must be sick to be recommending not buying Nvidia chipsets. Tegra 3 is one of the best GPUs available right now leaving alone the Tegra 4 which is only available on the Nvidia Shield and other limited number of devices.
I've used some varieties of cell phones and i've found the camera quality one of the best in this device. Running a quad core clocked at 1.7 Ghz and expecting it to not heat up? You must be bull****ting here.
Please dont defame a good phone just because you don't like it for some frickin reason.
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It's actually one of the worst now. There are better devices than the X+ by miles. It's based on 2/3? Year old technology. The device is now pretty much classed low or barely middle class, due to no more driver support also we are running on an old kernel with little hope of seeing a recent one... IMO if someone has a choice of devices to get, this one wouldn't be on that list.
Not really
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It's actually one of the worst now. There are better devices than the X+ by miles. It's based on 2/3? Year old technology. The device is now pretty much classed low or barely middle class, due to no more driver support also we are running on an old kernel with little hope of seeing a recent one... IMO if someone has a choice of devices to get, this one wouldn't be on that list.
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You are bound to make such remarks when you compare old technologies with the new ones. If adopting your terminologies, it should imply that every device should be called as "low class" and/or "worst" at some point of time which is very inappropriate and misleading. You make it sound like upgrading a desktop computer all the time whenever a new hardware peripheral arrives.
In 2004, a set of several devices were released namely HTC Magician, I-Mate JAM, O2 XDA II-Mini and others which took about 3-5 years for them to develop. Later on, upgrading and upscaling to newer models took hardly 1-2 years. Apple's Iphone has had a similar story. In this respect, we should appreciate the older devices more in terms of advent and innovation, otherwise we woudn't have been here fiddling with our quad-cored phones( And Octas ). Personally, I-Mate JAM and Nokia Communicator 9500 are the best devices i've ever had and the older technology does not make it any different. Also, i believe that the older devices had some undefined quality which many people agree with.
In the same principles, there are some devices which some users like and prefer regardless of the fact that whether the company has stopped providing updates and/or support or not. There are too many factors to take into account other than the technology. Speaking in terms of benchmark and power, my preferred devices would easily give up before yours.
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You are bound to make such remarks when you compare old technologies with the new ones. If adopting your terminologies, it should imply that every device should be called as "low class" and/or "worst" at some point of time which is very inappropriate and misleading. You make it sound like upgrading a desktop computer all the time whenever a new hardware peripheral arrives.
In 2004, a set of several devices were released namely HTC Magician, I-Mate JAM, O2 XDA II-Mini and others which took about 3-5 years for them to develop. Later on, upgrading and upscaling to newer models took hardly 1-2 years. Apple's Iphone has had a similar story. In this respect, we should appreciate the older devices more in terms of advent and innovation, otherwise we woudn't have been here fiddling with our quad-cored phones( And Octas ). Personally, I-Mate JAM and Nokia Communicator 9500 are the best devices i've ever had and the older technology does not make it any different. Also, i believe that the older devices had some undefined quality which many people agree with.
In the same principles, there are some devices which some users like and prefer regardless of the fact that whether the company has stopped providing updates and/or support or not. There are too many factors to take into account other than the technology. Speaking in terms of benchmark and power, my preferred devices would easily give up before yours.
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Well to expand on we have both said, when a new "high end" device comes out, the older one goes to the low/mid of the high scale then just drops down.....It's how I view it anyway, like the ONE X that was king once upon a time....Now that and with the X+ it's essentially great for a backup (Also the X+ is great for backup). But this is all my opinion on it all, everyone will have different takes on it so I don't want to force my view point. In a way though we are both right.
But hey my devices are a
Nokia 3310
HTC Desire C
X+
Find 5
all have their pro's and con's though more con's for the 1st two
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Well to expand on we have both said, when a new "high end" device comes out, the older one goes to the low/mid of the high scale then just drops down.....It's how I view it anyway, like the ONE X that was king once upon a time....Now that and with the X+ it's essentially great for a backup (Also the X+ is great for backup). But this is all my opinion on it all, everyone will have different takes on it so I don't want to force my view point. In a way though we are both right.
But hey my devices are a
Nokia 3310
HTC Desire C
X+
Find 5
all have their pro's and con's though more con's for the 1st two
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That is very understandable. Different people look at different things differently. Depends on the user's perception because many would support your beliefs and many would mine as well. And we should expect that from a benchmark-hungry developer like you. Developments in technology open gates for you, so yes you should be craving for better devices now and then.
I feel ashamed, knowing the fact that i own more devices than you but am not really a developer. As they say, quantity deceives quality. BTW my old man still loves his Nokia 5190.
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That is very understandable. Different people look at different things differently. Depends on the user's perception because many would support your beliefs and many would mine as well. And we should expect that from a benchmark-hungry developer like you. Developments in technology open gates for you, so yes you should be craving for better devices now and then.
I feel ashamed, knowing the fact that i own more devices than you but am not really a developer. As they say, quantity deceives quality. BTW my old man still loves his Nokia 5190.
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I used to have a lot more, but I sold them, including my Nexus 5 my One V HTC Desire HTC Wildfire ZTE BLADE Iphone 3gs to name a few victims in my quest for not being bored
Also benchmarks? PFFFT fcuk those, the real benchmarks come from using the device properly not from some stupid app(s)
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I used to have a lot more, but I sold them, including my Nexus 5 my One V HTC Desire HTC Wildfire ZTE BLADE Iphone 3gs to name a few victims in my quest for not being bored
Also benchmarks? PFFFT fcuk those, the real benchmarks come from using the device properly not from some stupid app(s)
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Is it just me or do you really sound like a kid?
Haha, yes i mean "Power-hungry" by "benchmark" because that is exactly what keeps some people going!
Electronic hobbyists like me have entirely different tastes.
BTW, i just flashed your latest nightly yesternight and need to take my precious ass over that CM11 thread there to discuss some issues.
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Is it just me or do you really sound like a kid?
Haha, yes i mean "Power-hungry" by "benchmark" because that is exactly what keeps some people going!
Electronic hobbyists like me have entirely different tastes.
BTW, i just flashed your latest nightly yesternight and need to take my precious ass over that CM11 thread there to discuss some issues.
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I'm a kid at heart and always will be, can't be doing with the whole growing up thing
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I'm a kid at heart and always will be, can't be doing with the whole growing up thing
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So, how old are you and what are you doing professionally? Should never judge a book by it's cover - for both of us.
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So, how old are you and what are you doing professionally? Should never judge a book by it's cover - for both of us.
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28 and soon to be a Network/Computer security person.
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28 and soon to be a Network/Computer security person.
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That is great. :good:
Just want you to know something. Don't always be so full of yourself and be nice to those who are nice to you.