I just saw a face of between the xperia arc and the GS2. I was utterly shocked by just how much of a beating the arc took off the GS2. If it were a boxing fight, it would have been over quicker than the Tyson/ Spinks bout which ended in 9 secs.
My initial thoughts of the arc were that it was a great phone but having only a life span of about a year because of the cpu (in other words it would only be good until the next gen of apps that require or at least take full advantage of dual core technology come out). Seeing it up against the GS2 has changed all that. I just don't think despite it's great design that it is a phone worth getting in 2011. I saw a review in which the reviewer described the arc as a first gen high end device while the GS2 was a next gen high end device. In my opinion, from the face off between the two phones, that was a very generous description of the arc. The truth is that the bar for high end devices has been raised quite substantially, especially with respect to performance, that last years high end specs are now this years mid range specs. You can rightly infer from that that the arc is a mid range device(bravia screen or not).
The performance and functionality of the GS2 are just light years ahead of the arc. I saw a while back, the face off between the x10 on 1.6 and the galaxy s on 2.1 and although the galaxy s won, the gap between the two phones was much narrower. It seems SE, far from catching up with the competition, are in actuality falling further behind (in software and hardware development).
In conclusion, in my opinion if you own an x10, stay well clear of the arc especially with gingerbread coming to the x10 soon. By the time your contract is up, maybe SE would have come up with a dual core phone that's worthy of an upgrade. The ARC is most certainly not that phone.
Why don't you post in the proper forum?!!!!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=962
The post was for those considering the arc. For those who already have one, the die is cast.
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Mind linking to this face off?
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There is another video comparison between the 2 phones on you tube. Done by an English guy with a northern accent. That one really shows the raw power of the GS2
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I've already seen these, they were done by a Samsung fanboy. I was wondering if the OP was talking about some other one
You can't compare a phone with dual core 1.2Ghz and 1GB RAM over a phone with 1Ghz single core and 500MB RAM.
The review/faceoff doesn't change the fact that the SGSII is a Samsung.
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The review/faceoff doesn't change the fact that the SGSII is a Samsung.
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I agree with you. The only phone that you might really need skip is the one with definite deathgrip.
Just a thought:
When A Single Core Proc can create wonders Y worry about a dual core SmartPhone??
Dual core, Maybe in 2012..
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HAHA that was precious! +1!
I had x10...I'll never buy SE phone again
i am going to say i'll never buy a SE phone anymore but look at the current market, SE is always 1 generation behind competitors, really needs to be a big fanboy to convince myself to get anotherSE phone.
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Just a thought:
When A Single Core Proc can create wonders Y worry about a dual core SmartPhone??
Dual core, Maybe in 2012..
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I used to think like that too but I am sorry, the performance and smoothness of gs2 just kills the arc. It's almost a joke. Why would you buy a vastly inferior device just because of it's design and brand name. That's the height of superficiallity and if I might add, stupidity. I mean you would not choose a single core computer over a multi core one just because of its looks now would you.
Whether or not there aren't the apps that need dual core available is now in my opinion secondary. Primarily the performance and features of the gs2 just dwarf that of the Arc. SE fanboys should just get a grip, climb down from the clouds, and face the very naked truth.
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Look, SE has said publicly that they have decided to not compete on hardware. They are not aiming for cutting edge hardware but for the more stylish middle market. They claim to be happy with this decision. They get to make more markup by using not so hot and costly hardware. On the other hand they have not sold a tenth of the phones that Samsung sold with software defects. Even the Play has been criticised for the dim screen and lacklustre cpu/gpu combination. (And the Play will shortly compete with the Vita whose hardware is really next generation and lists at half the price!)
So to buy SE phones you have to have a different reason. Style, software, support, price. They blew the support confidence with the X10, and are trying to rebuild that with extended updated firmware promises to keep x10 owners quiet while they attempt to sell Arc/Play/Neo worldwide.
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Look, SE has said publicly that they have decided to not compete on hardware. They are not aiming for cutting edge hardware but for the more stylish middle market. They claim to be happy with this decision. They get to make more markup by using not so hot and costly hardware.
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...and yet the "non-stylish upper market" complains about their products. Maybe someday people will stop buying whatever they are fed and buy for what they need:
you need speed, get samsung, you need updates, get HTC, you need looks, get SE... It's SOOOOO easy.
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Well if they have officially decided to go with style over substance, then I am afraid its a decision they will bitterly regret. Their competitors in the style stakes (apple & dell) are not exactly going to stand still with hardware. They don't have to have the best hardware specs delivering the ultimate performance but they certainly need to have a worthy contender and then let their great design carry them over the line.
SE need to shape up quickly and I feel maybe some new blood at the very top of the company (especially on the Ericsson side of the equation) is badly needed.
Don't get me mistaken for some kind of Samsung fanboy or SE hater. I am myself predisposed to SE phones and want to see them at least staying within range of the competion. If that means we SE users have to keep pointing this out to them wherever we can, then this we should do until they wake up from this deep slumber. This way rather than, as I have heard many, wishing for a SE shell with HTC entrails or some other combination, we can someday end up with a real king from SE.
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very true, I owned x10 , then tried with Arc then quickly sold it while
has values after suffering 60 days of rebooting phone, as soon as S2 for sale online, get myself a uk version of S2. Asia still not for sale.
now. ......
very happy with this. ..... S2.
cheers
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I bought my X10 same day it was released in Sweden. (I think it was 31th march last year)
Have upgraded my phone with Free X10 beta 3 and are still using that.
Vignette and other apps does not take as good pictures as stock SE ROM does, but I refuse going back to SE 2.1 again.
Then I became really excited when I noticed that Trip will try to port a ROM from X10 Arc, but now it seems like that is a progress that won't be really finished (I mean working with X10, camera and camcorder).
I think its about time to abandon my X10 now.
My question is, which phone should I buy?
I want a real good camera (and a camcorder that records in HD)
I want speed.
I want good screen behaviour like iPhone. (x10 screen isnt the best IMO)
I want a big screen. (no tablet size)
I want Android 2.3
If I should stay with my X10 for a while, is there a "monster-phone" upcoming? Brand doesnt matter for me now, so long its Android OS.
NO:
iPhone
Arc (Don't think the screen is as good as iphones)
Well theres a lot of phones coming out now..I'd wait and see what reaction they all get before jumping..
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Arc has the better camera ( speed and quality ) till nic, with Exmor R sensors to record low light conditions... Other than that Galaxy S II can record 1080p videos, but will be poor in low light conditions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=7RdNfff_-0g
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Well theres a lot of phones coming out now..I'd wait and see what reaction they all get before jumping..
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Where can I see wich one are coming? Which seems to be best?
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Arc has the better camera ( speed and quality ) till nic, with Exmor R sensors to record low light conditions... Other than that Galaxy S II can record 1080p videos, but will be poor in low light conditions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=7RdNfff_-0g
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X10 pro is better than Arc I think? So Arc is a no.
No it's not.. Arc and neo are essentially the same.. And both very good.. There is no such phone as x10 pro! search for mobile world congress.. You'll see all the up coming phones.
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No it's not.. Arc and neo are essentially the same.. And both very good.. There is no such phone as x10 pro! search for mobile world congress.. You'll see all the up coming phones.
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This must be a better phone than Arc or Neo?
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/overview/xperia-pro?cc=se&lc=sv#view=overview
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This must be a better phone than Arc or Neo?
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/overview/xperia-pro?cc=se&lc=sv#view=overview
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Same specs with extra hardware keyboard if you're into that
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Well, is there a non-SE upcoming that is very interesting?
Lol these threads always turn out the same... I would start away from se stuff personally as dual core phones are going to be the next big wave. Buy something more future proof..
Atrix has a good camera, gets quadrant scores of 2400-2800 right out if the box, and has dual core so will be keeping with the times much more than the new sonys...
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Lol these threads always turn out the same... I would start away from se stuff personally as dual core phones are going to be the next big wave. Buy something more future proof..
Atrix has a good camera, gets quadrant scores of 2400-2800 right out if the box, and has dual core so will be keeping with the times much more than the new sonys...
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Atrix looks really good! But is Motorola available in Sweden at all?
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Atrix looks really good! But is Motorola available in Sweden at all?
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I'm not sure! I'll be really jealous if it is, it's not yet in canada lol
Is there something similar? Or is Galalxy II the best available?
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galaxy 2 is the best otherwise right now anyway...
You definitely want something with a tegra 2 processor
the whole dual core thing has been debated a lot, and not everyone thinks that it's the way to go just yet... it's new and android 2.3 doesn't fully support it... I'm undecided and would rather wait to see the real world reports before deciding if it's a good thing or not..
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the whole dual core thing has been debated a lot, and not everyone thinks that it's the way to go just yet... it's new and android 2.3 doesn't fully support it... I'm undecided and would rather wait to see the real world reports before deciding if it's a good thing or not..
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motorola's custom skin is built around it from what I've read, they get quadrant scores of 2400-2800 with absolutely no customizations..
I'm not even talking just about dual core, but also the graphics performance of tegra 2. There are going to be many awesome games coming out (and many out already) than can only run on the t2 chip..
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Lol these threads always turn out the same... I would start away from se stuff personally as dual core phones are going to be the next big wave. Buy something more future proof..
Atrix has a good camera, gets quadrant scores of 2400-2800 right out if the box, and has dual core so will be keeping with the times much more than the new sonys...
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Quadrant scores mean nothing, they are simply just numbers based on some hardware and software tests. My galaxy tab's score is twice higher than my X10's, yet it lags and too many force-closes, even though flashed it many times and have the latest update. In other words my X10 is a lot smoother
My point is you can't just compare two devices based on those scores, your argument is not strong enough. Have you tried the Atrix? Arc? if you did then you can say which is better, if not, you can't state your opinion as a fact
By the way Atrix will have a bootloader locked similar to the X10's, could be crackable but we have to wait and see the developers here and what they can do... Link
But I have to say, Atrix and Galaxy S II have better hardware specs than the Arc. But in the end you have to go with what suits your needs, dual-core? then don't go with SE. LG Optimus 3D might interest you, with 3D camera and glasses-free 3D parallax barrier screen technology.
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Quadrant scores mean nothing, they are simply just numbers based on some hardware and software tests. My galaxy tab's score is twice higher than my X10's, yet it lags and too many force-closes, even though flashed it many times and have the latest update. In other words my X10 is a lot smoother
My point is you can't just compare two devices based on those scores, your argument is not strong enough. Have you tried the Atrix? Arc? if you did then you can say which is better, if not, you can't state your opinion as a fact
By the way Atrix will have a bootloader locked similar to the X10's, could be crackable but we have to wait and see the developers here and what they can do... Link
But I have to say, Atrix and Galaxy S II have better hardware specs than the Arc. But in the end you have to go with what suits your needs, dual-core? then don't go with SE. LG Optimus 3D might interest you, with 3D camera and glasses-free 3D parallax barrier screen technology.
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I never said anything about performance, though reviews of the atrix are overwhelmingly positive...
I talked about future proofing.
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I never said anything about performance, though reviews of the atrix are overwhelmingly positive...
I talked about future proofing.
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processor technology moves too quick for ANYTHING to be future proofed.. all I really need in a phone is one which runs smoothly doing the things I want it to do, and is stable... that's why i'd rather wait and see how the latest batch perform in real world before I decide for myself which is best for my needs. One of which is Aesthetics - so SE gets my vote for that point.
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Vignette and other apps does not take as good pictures as stock SE ROM does, but I refuse going back to SE 2.1 again.
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I was just reading this article and wanted to see what our community thinks about it...
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112989/brands-disappear-2012-247
With them unlocking the newer phones seems like a way to try to keep alive...
Meh. They've been in trouble for a while now in my opinion. Their phones have been alright but none of them really stand out anymore. Even the Play fell far short of what it could have been (seriously, all they needed to do was release with ff7 on there and they would have killed it ).
It'll be a shame if it happens but it's possible if things don't pick up for them .
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Xperia arc - best single core phone that money can buy.
Well thats the sad part. Play was supposed to be like their ACE under the hand but... Just fell short... I hope they REALLY start listening to us and it looks like they are starting like rolling out the X10 update. If they want to survive there ginna have to adapt...
that would be sad =( hopefully this doesn't happen. SE deserves much more than this.
Just crap xD
Its funny how you can see a video to compare xperia arc and the super duper trooper SGS2 and the experia Arc with single core its basically the same phone xD
SE always got phones that looks at least 1 year older than competence (hardware) but they always do the same and sometimes do better that some ultra super duper phones.
I dont think SE will come down that way =P
Sorry for my bad english! _o/
I think they're wrong...
If you go by handset numbers then yes, they're selling fewer. But Q4 in 2008 they had a 184 million euro loss. Just to compare, SE had an 8 million euro profit in Q4 2010.
Yeah, not much but a huge change and profitable. If it wasn't for Android, I don't think there would be an SE anymore :O
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i think they're wrong...
If you go by handset numbers then yes, they're selling fewer. But q4 in 2008 they had a 184 million euro loss. Just to compare, se had an 8 million euro profit in q4 2010.
Yeah, not much but a huge change and profitable. If it wasn't for android, i don't think there would be an se anymore
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yup... That symbian os was holding them back...
read the article more carefully people, they'll drop the Ericsson name and call it just Sony, they're not going out of business yet.
It won´t happen so many time hearing this rummors i think that SE is upgrading the strategy they went through a very bad year in 2010 but now it seems to be different they are giving the costomers a very good catalog in phones and with verry good quality a little more time and SE will be at the top again you´ll see that
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I wouldn't put that much stock into these yearly articles released by 24/7 Wall St. More than half the time they are completely wrong, and the times they are 'right' are because of predictions based on corporate events that will lead to inevitable happenings anyway.
I think they are totally off the mark regarding Sony Pictures. Sony would never give up Sony Pictures. They wanted in the motion picture and television businesses so they could be deeper in the entertainment industry ecosystem beyond just technology.
24/7 Wall St.'s prediction for Sony Ericsson most likely came from analyst articles like this one:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110524/tc_nm/us_sony_ericsson
SE is, at least, making money again, and they are releasing more and more Android products. As long as they continue cover the entire spectrum of high- to mid- to low-end Android phones, people will buy. I don't think they will ever be #1 in market share or even close to it. But I doubt Sony Ericsson would ever be absorbed into the main Sony brand. As long as they are in the top ten and profitable (like the VAIO line which is forever in the bottom-five of the top ten PC brands and usually eeks out smallish profits), they will be around.
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I wouldn't put that much stock into these yearly articles released by 24/7 Wall St. More than half the time they are completely wrong, and the times they are 'right' are because of predictions based on corporate events that will lead to inevitable happenings anyway.
I think they are totally off the mark regarding Sony Pictures. Sony would never give up Sony Pictures. They wanted in the motion picture and television businesses so they could be deeper in the entertainment industry ecosystem beyond just technology.
24/7 Wall St.'s prediction for Sony Ericsson most likely came from analyst articles like this one:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110524/tc_nm/us_sony_ericsson
SE is, at least, making money again, and they are releasing more and more Android products. As long as they continue cover the entire spectrum of high- to mid- to low-end Android phones, people will buy. I don't think they will ever be #1 in market share or even close to it. But I doubt Sony Ericsson would ever be absorbed into the main Sony brand. As long as they are in the top ten and profitable (like the VAIO line which is forever in the bottom-five of the top ten PC brands and usually eeks out smallish profits), they will be around.
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I think when SE will get a lil more profit, they will start releasing better phones. But I don't care anymore I'm moving to HTC/Samsung for my next phone.
I was just reading this and I'm like wtf?
If only HTC makes a better camera and Samsung not mimicking the iOS..
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Xperia arc - best single core phone that money can buy.
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no one wants a single core phone in an age of dual cores. Only the style over substance crowd will buy the arc but they are not enough to generate large enough sales. Plus apple have that segment of the market pretty much sealed up. regarding the article, I don't think it would be such a bad idea for SE to take total control of things. ericsson in my opinion are just holding them back.
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no one wants a single core phone in an age of dual cores. Only the style over substance crowd will buy the arc but they are not enough to generate large enough sales. Plus apple have that segment of the market pretty much sealed up.
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agreed looks wise there nice but in terms of performance i can name a few that are better.
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that would be sad =( hopefully this doesn't happen. SE deserves much more than this.
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They say you get what you deserve in life. They have themselves completely to blame for all their troubles.
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no one wants a single core phone in an age of dual cores. Only the style over substance crowd will buy the arc but they are not enough to generate large enough sales. Plus apple have that segment of the market pretty much sealed up. regarding the article, I don't think it would be such a bad idea for SE to take total control of things. ericsson in my opinion are just holding them back.
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A dual core phone is nothing unless the software is designed to take advantage of it, which is currently the case. Google has stated that Honeycomb is the only version of Android that supports multiple threads/CPUs.
So until Google updates the phone OS to support it don't buy into the gimmick.
SE phones are usually Expensive with Not lastest hardwares.watch price of Xperia arc and SG2 .... samsung is much cheaper and have last hardwares.definitely my next phone will be HTC/samsung
So finally the galaxy s3 is here. What do you fellas think of it. Please share.
For me, considering that I took no notice of the over hyped rumor mill that preceded it's launch, its a great phone with a few decent new features like s voice, s-beam, eye tracking, etc.
Although these features I suspect will have very limited day to day application, they're still nice to have and show Samsung to be at the vanguard of new innovations. It also feels like an ICS phone which sadly the HTCs do not. Maybe something to do will the 3.0 kernel.
The processing capabilities are very impressive with a buttery smooth user interface and silky scrolling. In terms of speed, it obviously won't feel much faster than most multi core devices but it's smoothness is unrivaled.
An 8mp camera and the absence of a hdmi port is rather disappointing but not crucial. It's design will not please all. Let's face it, no design pleases all.
Given a choice today between it and the xperia s, I probably would still go with the xperia because it has the hdmi port and better quality display but I hope the ICS update improves the UI performance and scrolling. Without improvement in those areas, I might find myself beginning to regret picking the xperia.
I thing user experience counts for a lot and a jerky and even laggy experience is quite frankly in my opinion, beneath a 2012 phone.
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Compete fail just a slight incremental update at best to GN and It looks butt ugly, like an old plastic mid range Nokia, screens to big for most ppl, also uses touchwiz, phone will only be good for 10 mins of benchmarks and that's it. Enough said.
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Not good and pretty enough. I didn't regret buying SXS over the One series and still I don't regret buying it.
And seriously. Pentile display in a flagship phone?
My thoughts?
I couldn't care for it really...like all the other phones out now besides the Sony line, its...blah...
Nothing appealing to the eye :/
They should/could have made it better, all bark and no bite.
....next!
Meh. Looks like a Galaxy Nexus 4S. A bit more screen, a bit more CPU power, a bit of this and a bit of that. Lots of gimmicks that you're never going to use - the best are wireless charging and S Beam ( which is most likely SGS3 to SGS3 only ), though the latter can and likely will be implemented in AOSP or forks when someone gets their hands on the actual device and explores the protocol, or maybe even earlier without Sammy compatibility. Lots of even more gimmicky accessories (spebble). Ugly ugly ugly ugly UGLEH body. Battery hog (quad-core x AMOLED x front camera always on aka Smart Stay - wireless charging = fail ). If I had to choose between my Desire and the SGS3, I would pick SGS3. But my XPS does everything I need so I won't be getting that thing ever.
@OP Sammy never was the innovator in the first place. Almost every single killer feature they have is either vanilla ICS or already exists in some form.
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Compete fail just a slight incremental update at best to GN and It looks butt ugly, like an old plastic mid range Nokia, screens to big for most ppl, also uses touchwiz, phone will only be good for 10 mins of benchmarks and that's it. Enough said.
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I think it will do much better than that. Credit where credit is due. It's the best performing phone right now and I just hope ics improves the ui performance of the xperia s because it's the poorest part of the phone. It's pretty fast and instant everywhere else but the UI feels very 2011 possibly even 2010ish in its performance which is a damn shame.
Well lets keep hope alive even history tells us that software development has always been one of Sony Ericsson weaknesses.
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I think it will do much better than that. Credit where credit is due. It's the best performing phone right now and I just hope ics improves the ui performance of the xperia s because it's the poorest part of the phone. It's pretty fast and instant everywhere else but the UI feels very 2011 possibly even 2010ish in its performance which is a damn shame.
Well lets keep hope alive even history tells us that software development has always been one of Sony Ericsson weaknesses.
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The thing is smoothness to CPU power is not linear. Having four cores doesn't give you an instant boost and a buttery smooth UI. This 'lag' is the way Android works and the great multitasking power we are used to might not have been possible without it. The rest is manufacturer optimisation. And yeah, quit whining about smoothness. Try ICS on a G1 and you'll be happy about how smooth your UI is on any other device.
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Who care about galaxy s3.
Ask tghout on it forum...
I will never regreat my buying sxs.
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It definitely fell short.
I think too many people hyped it up.
I know that many Samsung fanboys are upset. I was on another forum and after the unveil all I heard were complaints.
It is the new performance benchmark though.
However, it's too freaking big and the design is ugly.
Can't wait for the Sony Hayabusa to mop the floor with it.
and just one more thing, MEIZU quad core is most powerfull phone on market this year...
Samsung isnt top BEAST out there...
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The thing is smoothness to CPU power is not linear. Having four cores doesn't give you an instant boost and a buttery smooth UI. This 'lag' is the way Android works and the great multitasking power we are used to might not have been possible without it. The rest is manufacturer optimisation. And yeah, quit whining about smoothness. Try ICS on a G1 and you'll be happy about how smooth your UI is on any other device.
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I don't think I mentioned CPU anywhere in any of my posts. The UI performance of the xperia is the poorest of all the new phones out right now. It's as quick as any if not faster at performing tasks. Could be something to do with the very graphics intensive nature of it but I think it's performance is not quite 2012ish.
Let's not turn this into a fanboy topic. It's not a major crime hoping for software improvements now is it.
I did not believe any of the rumors that followed the Samsung so I'm not surprised in any way by it's spec sheet.
Those who were expecting 1080p displays and all the rest of it were just living on another planet. You can't expect too much after just a year after the release the S2.
Can we not discuss the positives and negatives of phones without reverting to all the tribal nonsense.
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Can we not discuss the positives and negatives of phones without reverting to all the tribal nonsense.
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Then you should ask this question on general android forum section....not in SXS section...we are with reasons on SXS, reason to buy it, to keep it and reason to develop it.
We do not need any other phones on this part of forum if you ask me..
but you asking in wrong places....
that is like a blog of iPhone ask that about SGS3....LOL
Seriously you think that big egg is very beautiful??
I mean you're joking right!you know I even had second thoughts of buying HTC OneX,
Then again thank god that I didn't go for the Tegra 3 chipset cause nVidia has some issues with HD video playback and which snapdragon doesn't have at all.
and I even noticed that XPS is very responsive and smooth,
I seriously don't care about the faster performing tasks, only thing that bugs me is the yellow tint that I got, which is a pain in the ass when it heats up.
and even though samsung tried too hard to put up their new phone and they failed to beat up iPad's GPU which is sad for them,
technically I don't regret having this phone and I really love the timescape UI and I think they will do something new with their ICS update,
cause they always the first to come up with new ideas and others tend to copy it from them.and I love the fact that they are keeping up with snapdragon chipset.
I know nothing much about nova thor chipset though..
GS III is an epic failure to me and I'm looking forward to get this hyabusa with S4 chipset.
the funny thing is that after GS3 the very next day LG comes and anounced a BEAST phone with Quad core chip,1,5ghz,4,7 inch screen with 720p display 32gb internal with micro sd support,LTE and the best thing 2GB RAM which Samsung already has 1GB AGAIN with GS3..i love galaxy s2 but galaxy s3 dissapointed me...i own a Sony Xperia S now and i am very happy with it..after the Samsung Galaxy S3 event i trade my Samsung Galaxy Nexus with Sony Xperia S because Samsung made me mad (seriously PENTILE SCREEN again??i dont give a fawk if it is AMOLED screen)...Now i love SXS because its my first Sony smartphone and i have to say its brilliant and fast and the screen is just AWSOME...!LOVE IT seriously and i prefer to go for the new LG with 2GB ram rather than SG3 if i had to give SXS for another but i will not do this soon...now i will shut my mouth and i will enjoy SONY XPERIA S!!!!
I do like the eye tracking idea (bugs me like hell when the screen switches off when I'm reading something!!).. but I the rest of it is generally pretty lame.. and the size.. Jeez.. I'm 6'1" and I couldn't operate a phone like that with one hand.. just too big.. Quad core.. schmod core... once we have ICS we will see a smoothness added to the UI...
not impressed... and other than the fact that they have a big customer base from the SGSII.. I can't see why anyone would choose it.
Not bad!
I can't deny that i've been anxiously waiting for the release of this new Sammy device and a bit impressed of it overall!
The design is not bad as most of the people say, not new but not repulsive.
As of the specs, we all expected most of the things; that's y most of us SXS owners didn't wait for its release coz the SXS did it all!
I already owned SGS2 and HTC sensation, both were amazing, but after i used SXS, i really enjoyed having a smartphone, in terms of build and sound quality and most of all the software, but really annoyed from the touch buttons though. The phone never hanged on me, always smooth and responsive, not like the touchwiz which is primitive and the sense which is laggy no matter what u do with it.
We should wait and see when it's available and after being used by people and assess after user experiences!
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Seriously you think that big egg is very beautiful??
I mean you're joking right!you know I even had second thoughts of buying HTC OneX,
Then again thank god that I didn't go for the Tegra 3 chipset cause nVidia has some issues with HD video playback and which snapdragon doesn't have at all.
and I even noticed that XPS is very responsive and smooth,
I seriously don't care about the faster performing tasks, only thing that bugs me is the yellow tint that I got, which is a pain in the ass when it heats up.
and even though samsung tried too hard to put up their new phone and they failed to beat up iPad's GPU which is sad for them,
technically I don't regret having this phone and I really love the timescape UI and I think they will do something new with their ICS update,
cause they always the first to come up with new ideas and others tend to copy it from them.and I love the fact that they are keeping up with snapdragon chipset.
I know nothing much about nova thor chipset though..
GS III is an epic failure to me and I'm looking forward to get this hyabusa with S4 chipset.
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Again I never said the galaxy s3 was beautiful. All I said was beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I also said that given the choice, I world pick the xperia because it suits me more.
I'm very disappointed that very few people in here have the grace to say anything positive about the S3 which is a shame as it has many good points too.
Instead we have ended up with the same tribalism where you only dwell on the negatives.
The eye tracking thing is a bit suspect in my opinion. Having the front facing camera constantly working like that could have a detrimental impact on battery life.
My greatest appreciation is reserved for the silky smooth UI. Now that's something I could really do with. I'm rather tied of jerky and laggy.
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Again I never said the galaxy s3 was beautiful. All I said was beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I also said that given the choice, I world pick the xperia because it suits me more.
I'm very disappointed that very few people in here have the grace to say anything positive about the S3 which is a shame as it has many good points too.
Instead we have ended up with the same tribalism where you only dwell on the negatives.
The eye tracking thing is a bit suspect in my opinion. Having the front facing camera constantly working like that could have a detrimental impact on battery life.
My greatest appreciation is reserved for the silky smooth UI. Now that's something I could really do with. I'm rather tied of jerky and laggy.
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I for one never said that it's a bad device. I even said I would buy it in certain conditions. The chipset is good, the screen is good, the software has some good features that I outlined. But overall SGS3 is the Half-Life 3 of mobile devices. It was hyped so much that it couldn't live up to the hype built around it not without Samsung's help. We expected something revolutionary, and got something evolutionary. Therefore the general meh direction this discussion is taking.
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Was expecting a Arc>>>SGII situation
But it's just another One X
To put it in a metaphor, the SXS is ya Japanese/European supercar
SGIII/One X is ya American Muscle
I guess It depends on what ya want from the phone really, I personally still think what you lose from the SXS for them quads is too much.
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I for one never said that it's a bad device. I even said I would buy it in certain conditions. The chipset is good, the screen is good, the software has some good features that I outlined. But overall SGS3 is the Half-Life 3 of mobile devices. It was hyped so much that it couldn't live up to the hype built around it not without Samsung's help. We expected something revolutionary, and got something evolutionary. Therefore the general meh direction this discussion is taking.
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Finally a bit of objective commentary. Thank you sir.
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Sony's refresh of the Xperia S is officially confirmed, specs are all the same except it has a 1.7ghz processor and it ships with ICS
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-sl/
http://m.engadget.com/2012/08/18/sony-xperia-sl-gsm-phone-official/?icid=m_eng_latest_art
Who's going to upgrade? I'm not, only a slight increase in specs, I'm sticking with my Xperia S until maybe Sony's 2013 lineup with quad core devices
Hope capacitive buttons panel is new.
Honestly i see no point what so ever to update if you already have the Xperia S. Yes it has a 1.7Ghz but still does not matter. Anyways i am staying with my Xperia S.
Yea hopefully they have the new panel for the captivate buttons but who knows. Also this comes with the new 4.0 ICS update but here in Canada we have yet seen this update. So am i guessing they wont release it here.
Sony is really doing an HTC this year. So many unnecessary Xperia models with similar looks and specs.
Sony should really start thinking on selling quad core devices, and be ahead of most of the other companies or at least be in the same range
Not worth to upgrade. At least now we know it's safe to overclock over phones to 1.7Ghz now.
Sony has f*ck*d us , new device( same As sxs but with + 200 mhz) , so Xperia s problem will be forgotten ( Yellow tint, display without yellow tint worse than the first display, different charger, no tag in the box, camera focus problem ( partially resolved with ics) etc....
What do you think?
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+1.. They should spend sometime on supporting their product such as upgrading OS etc.. really don't know what they're thinking. More phone with almost identical spec???
Do they even care about their existing customer?
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+1.. They should spend sometime on supporting their product such as upgrading OS etc.. really don't know what they're thinking. More phone with almost identical spec???
Do they even care about their existing customer?
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you guys should know that Sony is re-doing Sony Ericsson phones portfolio, meaning reselling the older designs/series into NZT styles. why do you think most of the phones represent older ericcson phones? for a reason.
then again this the Xperia Arc S (xperia SL u could link them perhaps) was the last phone seen from Ericsson. So therfor Sony should be able to start fresh next Year with their new phones instead of remaking older models
Sony is finaly rolling some models.
Not like Sony Ericson which had only few models and they were outdated
Sony are being retarded. Whats the point in releasing 10 different versions of the same underdeveloped phone?
They are barely supporting the Xperia S and now another pointless update?
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Sony has f*ck*d us , new device( same As sxs but with + 200 mhz) , so Xperia s problem will be forgotten ( Yellow tint, display without yellow tint worse than the first display, different charger, no tag in the box, camera focus problem ( partially resolved with ics) etc....
What do you think?
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Ill agree with that
it ist just a life cycle impulse. don´t cry like litlle babies.
it is quite usual to do this and especially se/sony did this in the past.
ps one, ps2 slim, ps3 slim, psp slim, arc s, x10 hd, vivaz pro/hd ( can´t remember well) .....
Got to wonder how they've gotten 1.7GHz out of an S3 unless it's been shrunk to 28nm process.
Quad cores will be a flash in the pan for now, dual core a15's (S4) are faster in most cases than a Quad A9 and a lot faster in day to day use
I guess this is great for anyone who has a real XDA/SetCPU phobia.
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Got to wonder how they've gotten 1.7GHz out of an S3 unless it's been shrunk to 28nm process.
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You don't need to. Each batch of chips results into some really good ones, a lot of "just average" and some "underperformers". Depending on business model the manufacturer could choose to sell them at several different speed grades (like Intel or AMD) or just scrap the underperformers and sell the rest as "average" (like [email protected]) even if some of them could actually clock higher.
As manufacturing process matures and gets tuned, you will start getting more and more really good ones. At some time you can produce enough of them to be able to introduce a new quicker grade.
Quad cores will be a flash in the pan for now, dual core a15's (S4) are faster in most cases than a Quad A9 and a lot faster in day to day use
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It looks like qualcomm is still unable to produce enough of S4's and Sony is forced to scramble for stop gap solutions. "Warmed up" SXSL could be just one of them.
This is why manufacturers are using S4 only where they absolutely need to, for example because of requirement to support LTE. And even splash out a lot of cash for parallel and arguably worse hardware designs based on Tegra3 (HTC One X usa vs international). Or even roll back to S3 (htc one s in some markets).
This is why almost every new tablet comes with Tegra3 and almost none based on S4.
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it ist just a life cycle impulse. don´t cry like litlle babies.
it is quite usual to do this and especially se/sony did this in the past.
ps one, ps2 slim, ps3 slim, psp slim, arc s, x10 hd, vivaz pro/hd ( can´t remember well) .....
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It is not valid to compare these to the PlayStation refreshes, completely different.
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You don't need to. Each batch of chips results into some really good ones, a lot of "just average" and some "underperformers". Depending on business model the manufacturer could choose to sell them at several different speed grades (like Intel or AMD) or just scrap the underperformers and sell the rest as "average" (like [email protected]) even if some of them could actually clock higher.
As manufacturing process matures and gets tuned, you will start getting more and more really good ones. At some time you can produce enough of them to be able to introduce a new quicker grade.
It looks like qualcomm is still unable to produce enough of S4's and Sony is forced to scramble for stop gap solutions. "Warmed up" SXSL could be just one of them.
This is why manufacturers are using S4 only where they absolutely need to, for example because of requirement to support LTE. And even splash out a lot of cash for parallel and arguably worse hardware designs based on Tegra3 (HTC One X usa vs international). Or even roll back to S3 (htc one s in some markets).
This is why almost every new tablet comes with Tegra3 and almost none based on S4.
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You don't need S4 to support LTE. SG2 LTE has two or even one core...
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The xperia s was never an Ericsson in the first place
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The xperia s was never an Ericsson in the first place
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Really? So I'm getting blured vision because headphones, charger, battery, manuals and anything else that I don't remember at this moment says "SONY ERICSSON".
Sony Xperia phones now 3rd highest seller internationally
http://tinyurl.com/ae3adwb (Wall Street Journal)
Sony is 2nd highest in the United Kingdom
http://tinyurl.com/co6wcep (Talk Android)
I guess Sony is back with a vengeance. I like many things that Apple and Samsung bring to the mobile market, but I'm tired of watching this duopoly develop, so I'm glad to see more competition and a disruption to that dupoply. I don't know where all you guys live, but where I live, almost ALL of the Samsung phones are almost as expensive as the Apple ones and at that they are all black retangular boring objects with NO differentiation. I'm glad to see NEW price points, COLOUR and CHOICE. Sadly, HTC, Sharp and others seem to have been falling apart in the last couple of years so any more competition is good.
(As for the resources, if you Google the stories you'll find a resource that you may prefer, these two were more credible for me.)
They are beautiful devices, I'm now on my third and my next Phone no doubt will be one.
That's me too, I own products from all of the major companies and really enjoy them, but I think Sony's on to something with these phones, and the sales stats. suggest the same too.
Love the Sony phones (have four of them). Never been a fan of HTC and Samsung just feels cheap (though they have nice software additions). Next years Sony devices are going to kick ass too.
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next year I may purchase a sony nexus
If a Sony nexus comes.. It will be a no-brainer for me....i love Sony products... This is my 4th phone 4m Sony.. Never been disappointed....
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This is very good news indeed. I've always felt that Sony and the Xperia range have never received the recognition they deserve like the way Apple and Samsung do. Some people buy iPhones and S3s and Note 2s just because of the name. Good to see people finally coming to their senses. Xperias ftw
yeaaahhh... This is real story, my friend sold his Galaxy W and he asked me which Sony phone is the best with a budget around Rp 3 million
and I suggest him to buy Xperia P..
It's a prove that Sony is back and I proud have my Sola... :highfive:
Yeah xperias become really popular,no one wants Samsung becuase their phones are ugly and expensive (not Apple expensive) but still my country goes two Europe lower midlle part so price is really important (i cant understand how americans could be poor when everything is much cheaper is their country and still have much bigger pay) for example my cousing who never had Smartphone (of ANY kind) want to buy Xperia Miro so he asked me is it good,well I told him to go with Xperia Mini or Live but he insisted,not sure why.This is just proof that their sales are going up because good design and cheap prices.Just to warn I see many Samsugn-Apple fanboys not reccomending Sony because of 2010 Xperia fiasco but they never had any Sony phone.I cant understand who could buy Samsung phones,they are ugly and have problems+one of worst update support,but it looks they are upgrading Novathor devices to JB so Sony must to then because that could really get effect to their sales.
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I agree with all of you.
I had an Xperia S, and now i have an Xperia P.....is the sexiest smartphone on the market IMHO. I selled XS just because was too big and heavy for my pockets....just the battery is less durable....but overall i like more than XS.
Another good thing from Sony are the updates that generally are quite frequent and good instead of other brands (who said LG ? ).
How exciting. I can't wait to see what Sony offers in the future.
Yeah, lots of tech. sites are speculating that Sony is ramping up it's software and updates now that it's getting so much positive media attention. I cannot believe how popular the latest Bond phone is...
p.s. I put this in the general news section of Android on XDA. This is news of a major Android OEM. But it was stuffed in this corner. That p**** me off sometimes.
Thats what they call as categorisation
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Well,everybody that are not Sony user keep complaining that Sony doesn't use quad core device and says dual core device is low end devices....and I was like "Dafuq dude..."...Smartphone is a phone,not a computer...
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Well,everybody that are not Sony user keep complaining that Sony doesn't use quad core device and says dual core device is low end devices....and I was like "Dafuq dude..."...Smartphone is a phone,not a computer...
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Also xperia t competed well against quad core sgs3
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Sony has a long way to go...hope we get a Sony Nexus NXT year!!!
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Yeah, initially Sony made some public comments that they were not rushing into multiple cores (over a year ago) because smartphones 'had no use for them'. Now, if they perform well with fewer or a single core, I agree. Many cores to me is like too many megapixels, there is more to a good camera than megapixels, no?
To be honest, I do not see any performance boost on my dual core Sola than any of my previous single core phones. And yes, I would *love* to see a Sony Nexus. It should have been the Bond phone! Imagine the Bond phone which is so popular getting Nexus status? Actually, if you Google this, Sony Ericsson declined Google's invitation to be an early Nexus device OEM. Bert Norberg said something about 'we're not that kind of OEM', right before sales and profits tanked.