Google fights back - HTC EVO 3D

Oh yeaaahh
http://m.techcrunch.com/2012/08/17/...eeks-to-block-iphone-ipad-mac-imports-to-u-s/
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MADE MY DAY! :good:

As we all know, motorola ownes about every patent on cell phones, good luck crapple because you just opened a can of worms,
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Darn it! I hope I get my IPAD before that happens. lol. However, I think the IPHONES SHOULD BE BANNED from the USA! TREAT THEM LIKE THEY TREAT EVERYONE ELSE WHICH IS WITH NO RESPECT AS A COMPANY!

This is going to really interesting to watch play out. Although we'll probably have to wait a good year before anything even begins to come from it.
In the mean time there's the final result of apple vs. Samsung.

Crapple pisses me off, why doesn't mercedes sue every car manufacture, they all copied them, why don't the wright bros sue boeing for copying them, it's just utter nonsense, why don't they (crapple) take all they're money that they are spending on lawyers and give instead to all those chinese works that spend all day cranking out crapple products for 3 dollars a day, greed bastards, f- - k you Steve Jobs, you're exactly where you belong, in a cold dark place, R.I.P ASS*OLE
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flashallthetime said:
why doesn't mercedes sue every car manufacture, they all copied them
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Im with this, in the car industry (I work in this industry). Crap like patent wars hardly ever happen.
And your bang on most of the tech in cars is seen in mercedes first. (blind spot warning, auto cruise control, laser guided lane tracking, edb, etc.etc.)

My prediction is in 3 years the iphone will become iphone toilet paper holder, f u apple, thermonuclear war back at you. BOOM
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In a way I wouldn't want steeple to switch over to android tho.
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Crapple has no respect, trying to shove there products onto primates now, how low can a f___ing company go
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/08/23/orangutans-ipads-toronto-zoo653.html
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If apple just kept their mouths shut in the first place, they wouldn't have gotten themselves into this.
I mean come on now,
Apple (iPhone...) vs. Google (Samsung, HTC, LG, Asus, Acer, Motorola, the list goes on forever lol)
They started something they didn't plan on finishing, and now its comin back to get them. They're just jealous that there are more Android users than iPhone users
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Every time I read the comments of the articles about the patents my IQ drops lower than Lindsey Logan's pants. (Don't troll I mean the comments on the link, not xda)
I'm glad someone is fighting back, and about something that hold ground and has a good chance at winning. Apple is pathetic.
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This is great apple really needs to get kicked down a few notches.
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yeah man like this battle is epic...http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/28/apple-strikes-licensing-deal-with-motorola-in-germany/:cyclops:

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Steve jobs is dead

Rumored that Steve jobs has passed away.. more details I'm sure are coming!
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Confirmed, may he rest in piece.
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I was going to come in and blast you.... but I did a quick search and found a link from Cnet.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20116336-37/apple-co-founder-chairman-steve-jobs-dies/
Still, I don't think I'd believe it just yet. he was just at the Apple Convention wasn't he?
Not a rumour. He's gone. RIP
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I'm not sure really.. I don't post much and didn't see anything posted so I figured I would put it out there.. Crazy .. He was really young.. Only 56.
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I wonder if his life Flashed before his eyes...
Too soon?
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RIP!!!!!!
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Sorry 4 the double post
It was on ABC man that was actually shocking, was not expecting it.
I phone 4$ was the death of him
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Steve Jobs did a lot. Sad to see he is dead now.
RIP!!!!!!!!
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Funny, just saw the headline on a local TV station's website. I clicked on it and it said "We're sorry, this story is no longer available".
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R.I.P. To Jobs and thoughts and prayers for his family. And please no haters come in and ruin ****. I'm not an apple fan by no means, but please have some respect.
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in case there was any question at all....
http://www.apple.com/
the main page was changed to reflect his passing
I'm actually kindof sad about it... he was a visionary.
Can't believe it. The timing... RIP.
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Although I very much dislike apple, I still respect Jobs. It is very clear that he was a very remarkable and brilliant man who has contributed greatly to his field and the world. It is truly unfortunate that he has passed at just 56 years of age. The world of computing has lost one of its greatest members. RIP
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Although I very much dislike apple, I still respect Jobs. It is very clear that he was a very remarkable and brilliant man who has contributed greatly to his field and the world. It is truly unfortunate that he has passed at just 56 years of age. The world of computing has lost one of its greatest members. RIP
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poweroutlet said:
Although I very much dislike apple, I still respect Jobs. It is very clear that he was a very remarkable and brilliant man who has contributed greatly to his field and the world. It is truly unfortunate that he has passed at just 56 years of age. The world of computing has lost one of its greatest members. RIP
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RIP Steve Jobs, Revolutionary Technology the changed the way we see it
One more thing : I hope his loves get thru this, after all he is one of mote recognize people in tech industry.
Being the richest man in the cemetery doesn’t matter … Going to bed at night saying we’ve done something wonderful…that matters. -Steve Jobs
RIP Steve Jobs, Revolutionary Technology the changed the way we see it

New iPhone 5 patent has 3D technology

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/iphone-5-to-get-3d-camera-new-patent-suggests-50007509/
Quote:
"The so-fresh-it's-warm patent comes via PatentlyApple, showing a three-sensor concept (pictured above). The 3D images are created by combining views from two side-by-side images -- exactly the way human eyes see the world. We've seen it before now on phones like the LG Optimus 3D Max and the HTC Evo 3D with mixed results, but this is the first time we've heard of three sensors being used."
And
http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-apple-iphone-3d-camera-20120330,0,7347979.story
Quote: "According to an Apple patent filing discovered by PA, the cameras would incorporate laser, RADAR, light-detection and ranging (LIDAR) sensors for detecting depth as well as sensors for more intense color accuracy"
Apple posts job listing for 3D tech
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Apple-3D-C3-Technologies-Computer-Vision-SLAM,news-14844.html
Guess HTC was ahead of the game... once its on iphone, 3D will be mainstream.
Apple patents 30 million things a day. They hardly use most the stuff they patent as of yet
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oh yeah, evo 3d sucks do the iphone users say. 3d is not cool on a mobile device. i can here they screaming for 3d when an iphone will get 3d funktions like the evo 3d. yeah i can here the choirs singing ^^
bullcrap...apple users often got no brain to use
It's just how the smart phone game works... new tech is not considered cool unless it debuts on the iphone/iPad first....
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This really isn't a big deal when they don't actually use the things they patent anyways.
If I had the money, I'm sure I would be buying patents all around the place too so I can later sue for infringement should they be violated. Insta-money.
But if they do it'll be the first of its kind ever on a smartphone. Atleast that's what Apple will claim and everyone will be awed...lol so sad.
LOL apple ripping off HTC again. Not.suprised.just like iphones
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Don't worry, most likely they're not going to actually use it.
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[email protected] apple!
Android for life
LOL @ all the fanboyism, grow up and realize other devices have 3D
iPhone > *
Wait, why is this in the EVO section again?
iPhone > *
Kinda like how they have notifications now........smh
How long has android had those? Lol
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Well, not to break up all the android love going on, but their patent is different. We've seen 3d before, but I guess this is a third sensor. It might be innovative and it might not be, who knows, but they better not say they were first with 3d.
Apple just trying to make some money like always,they hold on upgrading the iPhone so they can make more money, you know what FU$K apple android eats it as an appetizer
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I wonder if HTC will ever release another 3D phone? I hope the next version will just have 3D as a included feature not as selling point.
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All you people posting in a troll thread. I call BS.
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All you people posting in a troll thread. I call BS.
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Just because u put *'s in the word doesn't mean its acceptable language BTW......
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sry but i could never imagine an iphone with 3d features... and i dont know whether it is really useful to have 3 lenses?
Lol imagine the iPhone 5 having 3D. The fanboys will say they were the FIRST to have 3D on a phone. Just like they say they were the FIRST to have video chat. I remember a Nokia phone having video chat in like 2005. I'd go on a ***** slapping spree if they claim they're the first.
Selling my Xoom 32Gb Wifi w/ 32Gb Class 10 SDCard.
PM Me!
Yes we can brag about being first with 3D, I just hope HTC will continue to support this feature and maybe enhanced it with future updates....

Did Sprint ever release the winners of the contest?

I have not been able to find any answers on this and Google was not able to find me the answer I was looking for.
Was wondering if any fellow XDA'ers have heard anything.
Winners of what contest?
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I signed up for it too. I call bull**** on this contest. I bet they were hoarding emails for spam.
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I think the last thing on Sprint's mind right now is the contest, they have big issues right now. Having your flagship Android phone blocked by customs is a scary thing, they're losing pre-orders everyday the phone is held up.
I think apple won the who is the biggest d bag in the tech industry contest yesterday
http://www.goodandevo.net/2012/05/sprint-promotes-htc-evo-4g-lte-on-nbcs-the-voice.html
Only contest I found lol
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I entered it to.... Never heard anything.. But yea.... I think there is no contest without the phones lol
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Winners of what contest?
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What contest??? Evo LTE contest?
He's talking about the galaxy nexus "Datastorm" contest from about 2 months ago I presume. My understanding was they don't typically release names, but you can (snail) mail to request the list of winners.
I think that most of these contests are bunk, I entered one around superbowl time for one of the new thin super laptops from asus.
As soon as the super bowl was over the ads all but disappeared, they said they'd announce the winners on facebook, I checked for two weeks from the time they said they'd announce it but it never happened.
Could it be some sort of marketing tactic? To just say your giving something away but put it in the fine print that it's all bogus, come to think of it I have never actually read ALL of the fine print.

Maybe a great marketing idea?

Yes this may never work, but currently at the end of my shift at work, and I started thinking what would really show people what's going on behind the scenes with Apple suing HTC and Samsung. And this is the idea that I came up with, with the idea that it probably would never work, but hey its just a thought lol.
We've seen HTC comparing itself to Samsungs GSIII, just trying to compare itself. What if HTC and Samsung did it together with Google as the head supporter of Android, with a headline of something around, "Apple's run scared, attempting to ban these phones from you." Or "Meet the phones that Apple is terrified off..." Something in that sense to stir up curiousity and interest in. And on my mind, YMMV, I picture the OG EVO commercials with the Andrioids flying around the phone and showing it off with quotes from reviews.
But in the end, a for more info go to here, to show the potential customer what is going on since none of Apple's lawsuits are very big in the news unfortunately.
Obviously HTC and Sammy fans don't get along too well, but the Android OEMS seriously need to stick together for some time if they're ever going to have a chance if Apple keeps chipping away at them with court.
Reminder, this is just my personal opinion, but please share what you think of it. Or what you would add / change because I'm curious of this would ever be a true way to really give Apple some SERIOUSLY BAD PR, or if I'm just some nut case, who needs to get a job with daytime hours lol.
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I work nights as well and I sometimes wonder if I am crazy bc my ideas make so much sense. I really like your idea. But any revenge on apple right now seems good to me.
Apple will always have their hardcore followers. No matter how much better my EVO LTE is the hardcore apple-ites will say Apple has better blah blah blah. And they will inevitably say "that's the phone that violated all the apple patents!" *snarl/*
Anyways, I like your idea. Don't think it's gonna happen though.
You know the iPhone's use of google maps generates 40% of Google's income? And now that Apple is deciding to make its own map app to replace Google maps as the default in iPhone it seems like an all out break in the companies.
Apple isn't innovating anymore, all they're doing is filing stupid patents and suing. They'll probably win because they are on top and have the $ to pay lawyers where other companies don't.
Sorry about the rant, I usually post on android central. Come here to check out the mods and roms so I don't post much.
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You know the iPhone's use of google maps generates 40% of Google's income? And now that Apple is deciding to make its own map app to replace Google maps as the default in iPhone it seems like an all out break in the companie.
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Put the crack pipe down..40% of Google's income does NOT come from iPhone users..its more closer to 2%..You missed a few key words in your remark.
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Great idea, might happen with the next nexus's
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BrianBaker said:
Put the crack pipe down..40% of Google's income does NOT come from iPhone users..its more closer to 2%..You missed a few key words in your remark.
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Lol wondered where he got that from.
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Great idea, might happen with the next nexus's
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And this is true with 5 devices to be made by diff manufactures we shall see tho!
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BrianBaker said:
Put the crack pipe down..40% of Google's income does NOT come from iPhone users..its more closer to 2%..You missed a few key words in your remark.
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I don't know what the percentage is but I bet it's a good amount, much more than 2% but no where near 40%.
"Mobile ads associated with maps and location data account for about a quarter of all mobile ad revenue. That's money Apple wants and Google doesn't want to lose out on."
http://www.businessinsider.com/wsj-apple-will-ditch-google-maps-on-ios-later-this-year-2012-6
It would be a much bigger blow if Apple were to get rid of Google search all together but I do feel the maps thing will put a bit of a dent in Google's bottom line.
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I don't know what the percentage is but I bet it's a good amount, much more than 2% but no where near 40%.
"Mobile ads associated with maps and location data account for about a quarter of all mobile ad revenue. That's money Apple wants and Google doesn't want to lose out on."
http://www.businessinsider.com/wsj-apple-will-ditch-google-maps-on-ios-later-this-year-2012-6
It would be a much bigger blow if Apple were to get rid of Google search all together but I do feel the maps thing will put a bit of a dent in Google's bottom line.
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A quarter total that means all devices that use maps. Android etc... It may be more then 2% but not that much...
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IPhone accounts for about 40% of Google's MOBILE revenue..but Google as a whole its close to about 2%
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IPhone accounts for about 40% of Google's MOBILE revenue..but Google as a whole its close to about 2%
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That makes sense but that 40% probably made up of mostly of searching yes?
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Just read it on usatoday tech news I believe. Let me find the link. Maybe it's google mobile.
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Yes, 40% of google mobile search ad revenue. Or 1.5 billion. Not a whole lot right?
The first article I read did not make it abundantly clear what part of google it was. They are just estimates too. Because even tho we are talking about iPhone users they will still be able to figure out how to use Google maps
Well, u would think.
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A quarter total that means all devices that use maps. Android etc... It may be more then 2% but not that much...
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IPhone accounts for about 40% of Google's MOBILE revenue..but Google as a whole its close to about 2%
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That makes sense but that 40% probably made up of mostly of searching yes?
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I agree, I'm just saying it's going to sting a bit at Google. Hopefully it might help them get on the manufacturers and carriers a bit more to make sure they're selling quality products, I love Android but some of the stuff that gets put out there is absolute crap.
I know this thread has gotten off topic so I say to the OP, that might help if Google were to advertize. They make almost all their money off of ads but don't advertize themselves. The carriers do advertize phones a bit but they're more interested in selling you on their network than a specific phone. Not to mention the fact 3 of the 4 national carriers sell the iPhone so they wouldn't put down one of their own products.
Yeah, just came up with 40% off the top of my head because I was smoking crack.
Reading news on apple/google
Smoking crack
I can see how u would see the relation there.
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Anthonicia said:
I work nights as well and I sometimes wonder if I am crazy bc my ideas make so much sense. I really like your idea. But any revenge on apple right now seems good to me.
Apple will always have their hardcore followers. No matter how much better my EVO LTE is the hardcore apple-ites will say Apple has better blah blah blah. And they will inevitably say "that's the phone that violated all the apple patents!" *snarl/*
Anyways, I like your idea. Don't think it's gonna happen though.
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Lol at least someone understands where I'm coming from. I doubt this will ever work but it was just an idea at the time.
But overall, I feel Google needs to help the OEMs stick together, for some amount of time, just to make it harder for Apple to try to make its dream of shutting Android down. Yes it would be hard, but on their current path, they may get their chance.
I laughed at some of the comments, but I guess the question I was trying to get around to ask,
Do you think google and the OEMs should make commercials with Google as the headliner to tell the world what Apple is suing about? I think if the overall general public knew, besides us tech enthusiasts , maybe people would see Apple for who they really are...
Just my two cents, and go!
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I know this thread has gotten off topic so I say to the OP, that might help if Google were to advertize. They make almost all their money off of ads but don't advertize themselves. The carriers do advertize phones a bit but they're more interested in selling you on their network than a specific phone. Not to mention the fact 3 of the 4 national carriers sell the iPhone so they wouldn't put down one of their own products.
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I agree, that's why I never suggested the carrier's to make the commercial because they don't want to have conflicts I suspect, and they only care to sell, regardless the product.
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Lol at least someone understands where I'm coming from. I doubt this will ever work but it was just an idea at the time.
But overall, I feel Google needs to help the OEMs stick together, for some amount of time, just to make it harder for Apple to try to make its dream of shutting Android down. Yes it would be hard, but on their current path, they may get their chance.
I laughed at some of the comments, but I guess the question
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This is actually what I've been hoping would happen for quite a while. It's much easier to pick them off one by one than to attack a united front. Unfortunately the all-mighty (dollar, euro, whatever) always wins out. If the manufacturers and Google could put aside their differences and come together and attack Apple, I think Apple would be forced to back down. For the first time in 4 years Android's world-wide usage dropped last quarter. It only dropped about 0.6% (from, I think, 51% to 50.4%) but a drop none the less. Symbian had over 50% of the market 4yrs ago, now it's dead. "Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it" -Winston Churchill
ausch30 said:
This is actually what I've been hoping would happen for quite a while. It's much easier to pick them off one by one than to attack a united front. Unfortunately the all-mighty (dollar, euro, whatever) always wins out. If the manufacturers and Google could put aside their differences and come together and attack Apple, I think Apple would be forced to back down. For the first time in 4 years Android's world-wide usage dropped last quarter. It only dropped about 0.6% (from, I think, 51% to 50.4%) but a drop none the less. Symbian had over 50% of the market 4yrs ago, now it's dead. "Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it" -Winston Churchill
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This is what I was aiming for. Google needs to make serious friends, not just wayside acquaintances, to make Android that much stronger.
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Google looking to block Shipments of iPhone and iPad

http://www.bgr.com/2012/06/25/google-tries-to-block-u-s-shipments-of-apples-iphone-over-3g-patents/
About time Google plays Apple's game, give them a taste of their own medicine. Official decision coming August 24th.
i love the part about costing americans jobs.... how does it cost americans their jobs?
bacidath said:
i love the part about costing americans jobs.... how does it cost americans their jobs?
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Yeah no doubt. I was scratching my head on this one too.
bacidath said:
i love the part about costing americans jobs.... how does it cost americans their jobs?
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Thieves can't steal iPhones/iPads and resell them ?
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Thieves can't steal iPhones/iPads and resell them ?
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Ohhhh, I see now!
I hope Apple gets what's coming to them.
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I hope it happens. apple has a ton of bad karma coming its way imo...
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i love the part about costing americans jobs.... how does it cost americans their jobs?
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I wonder how many Americans lost their jobs when apple stopped HTC shipment????
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Wall of text, TL;DR.
And so it begins, an even more pointless back and forth between two incredibly successful companies. It's never going to end.
I don't get bgr and their apple fanaticism. I like android but I'm not making up crap in support of it like I hear almost everyday about apple.
Just makes me laugh how stupid it is. Hope google gives then a swift kick in the nuts. Bc chocolate chip ice cream sandwich offers virtual reality synch and the new google maps will navigate ur car so u don't have to drive. Will also support Brainwave V3.2x that plugs in your skull so u will never have to talk to anyone ever again. You talk w ur brain!
Gonna be so awesome! Suck it ios 6!
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This is BGR twisting headlines around. Google hasn't even filed and injunction.
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This is BGR twisting headlines around. Google hasn't even filed and injunction.
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I like how the dolt updates it with "Well it's not really google doing it" but leaves the headline intact.
I really need to not click on those links. I don't want that idiot's site to get credit for a single page view from me.
Apples at it again.
They just got a judge to block sales of galaxy nexus. Even before trial. Appl has to post a bond before court will enforce the injunction.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/30/apple-lawsuit-samsung-galaxy-nexus_n_1639180.html
I can't even muster up all the HATE apple deserves. I mean, doing this to GNex is essentially trying to stop the android experience altogether.
:banghead::banghead::banghead:
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Apples at it again.
They just got a judge to block sales of galaxy nexus. Even before trial. Appl has to post a bond before court will enforce the injunction.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/30/apple-lawsuit-samsung-galaxy-nexus_n_1639180.html
I can't even muster up all the HATE apple deserves. I mean, doing this to GNex is essentially trying to stop the android experience altogether.
:banghead::banghead::banghead:
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Is this not reason enough for Google to destroy them? Damn, Google pull the trigger already
The LTEVO says hello!
If anyone thanks Apple doesn't have tech writers on their payroll they are living in an ifantasy world. Apple plays hardball. About time Google did
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I can't stand Apple and I hope this causes them delays and headaches, just the way it did with us getting our EVO 4G LTE's.
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If you guys really think that by having "an all out war" benefits the consumer, you've lost your minds.
You know all that talk about how Apple doesn't innovate because they are busy suing? Well, if Google joined in, who would innovate?
Think before you get all childish revenge rage syndrome. All this will work out.
Am I glad this is happening? No. I'm not, but I wouldn't be happy if Google blocked the iPhone either. Competition is good, and stiffling it, NO MATTER WHO DOES IT, is bad.
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If you guys really think that by having "an all out war" benefits the consumer, you've lost your minds.
You know all that talk about how Apple doesn't innovate because they are busy suing? Well, if Google joined in, who would innovate?
Think before you get all childish revenge rage syndrome. All this will work out.
Am I glad this is happening? No. I'm not, but I wouldn't be happy if Google blocked the iPhone either. Competition is good, and stiffling it, NO MATTER WHO DOES IT, is bad.
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There is such a thing as defending your business. If Google, htc, Motorola and Samsung do nothing that would be incredibly stupid. Apple will not cease there endless litigation unless companies make it just as difficult for them. Sorry but you don't sound very informed on the subject.
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There is such a thing as defending your business. If Google, htc, Motorola and Samsung do nothing that would be incredibly stupid. Apple will not cease there endless litigation unless companies make it just as difficult for them. Sorry but you don't sound very informed on the subject.
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I understand defending your business, and I'm not against litigation by any stretch, but the calls for Google to "destroy" Apple is what I was talking about.
But apply that to Apple as well. Don't you see them as defending their business? So how is what they are doing "evil"? I just don't understand the Apple hatred. This is business as usual, it's just getting press this time.

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