OPERATION: Make Ourselves Heard (#OPMOSH) 2.0
"Developer Edition"
DISCLAIMER:
We here, in the movement of #OPMOSH do not consider this spam, we do not consider this slandering Moto, we simply use this as a method of having our concerns heard. Motorola Mobility Inc. has been a powerful company that has been around for a very long time, and one we hope to see long in the future as well, before and after the Google buyout (which, might I add, is not completed). That being said...
Prologue:
Motorola Mobility Inc.'s executives and PR team have become famous for lying, having generally poor consumer relations, and amongst all, having a tendency to flat out prove time and time again that it cares very little for its customers after they walk out of that store with their shiny Motorola-branded device. It's definitely not hard to find examples of this - their refusal to upgrade devices that are fully capable of running the latest Android OS, the XOOM 4G upgrade fiasco, re-releasing phones with the same hardware but the most current OS (Defy/Defy+, anyone?), and even locking their bootloaders in the first place. Galaxy Nexus users around the world are laughing in our faces, now. But why is that?
Well, since the early days of Android, post Droid 1, we have (mostly) remained quiet about our locked bootloaders, hoping that one day Motorola would take a second glance at us, and follow other companies leads. The Droid X, the Droid 2, Droid 2 Global, Droid X2, Droid Bionic, and dozens more devices slid by with locked bootloaders, to the dismay of those wanting a long-term device like the Droid 1 was... There came to be a boiling point, though - and many, MANY full-out wars were launched on their social media sites, just a year ago. Sound familiar? Yes, the same thing that worked with HTC's (and now with Asus') bootloader policies.
At the end of the most successful campaign, known as the #UnlockMoto movement (which I extend my deepest gratitude towards everyone involved in), we received a broad, carefully worded announcement, via AusDroid, that unlockable bootloaders were being looked into. Flash forward to late 2011, and we're given another announcement, still quite broad, about the unlockable bootloaders... a "second half of 2011" timing for software releases, via MOTODEV.
...Welcome to Q1 2012, Motorola fans. Not only have they missed their deadline, and rogue-edited their blog post's timeframe for the bootloader unlock software rollout from the "second half of 2011" to "later this year", but they have actually given an official announcement of their plans... to release a completely separate HARDWARE version of the RAZR with an unlockable bootloader. This is unacceptable for those of us who dished out 700 dollars, full retail, to get our brand new Droid RAZR/Droid RAZR MAXX in hopes that they would eventually set free, and even MORE unacceptable for Droid 3, Bionic, and other Motorola users that don't even get an eyelash batted at. DOWNRIGHT UNACCEPTABLE. Basically... Motorola has screwed us over. Again.
But we here at #OPMOSH aren't done. Raise your voices - let's Make OurSelves Heard yet again, to let Moto know that this "Developer Edition" RAZR had better be available either as a trade for our devices, old or new, paying the difference in price, or not at all, since we all bought our devices in hopes that they would keep their word in the first place. Everyone counts!
Moto's Facebook - Moto's Twitter - Petition - FCC Complaints (Against Verizon)
So....What can I do?
Well, at this time, we don't know whether it is Verizon's or Motorola's decision that is causing all of these bootloader-related problems, so there's quite a few general things that you can do to help inch them along. The most important of them all would be to...
FIRST OFF, SIGN THE PETITION:
This is included in the email, so it is crucial that it continues to grow in number.
This petition is specifically worded so that they unlock their EXISTING bootloaders rather than releasing ~Developer's Editions~ of all of their phones. So much for their plans to not saturate the market with 9,000 phones in 2012, right?
Then....
TRY CALLING VERIZON'S EXECUTIVES.
Make sure before calling that you are very informed about the issue and confident in your position, yet can be quite calm. Do not show any disrespect towards Marie H or the person you call. They are merely the (wo)man-in-the-middle, and you simply need to explain to them your position and back it up with facts. Also, do note that all times are EST.
Call Marie H. at (412) 266-7756 on Monday - Fridays, 8 am to 5 pm. OR Michelle at (803) 231-1787 on Monday - Fridays, 7 am to 4 pm. OR Call Verizon customer service at *611 or (800) 922-0204 and get to a rep by mashing 0.
This is something you cannot copy-paste, unfortunately. Here are some guidelines that should help you be successful in your endeavor:
- First off, if you get the voicemail, leave your name, number, and a time you can be contacted in case they wish to follow-up call.
- Mention that many are filing FCC complaints because locking smartphone bootloaders prevents users from installing the software that they want (the OS), and thus violates Block C guidelines. (Do research in case this is brought into question)
- Mention that HTC, Motorola, and Samsung have bootloader-unlockable devices on the network right now, so there's no legitimate reason to be selling a totally new device... (HTC has their 2011 devices, Moto has the Xoom, and Samsung the Galaxy Nexus)
- Mention that the bootloader being unlocked does not allow the device to do anything that a laptop that is using a 4G hotspot cannot do even faster/more efficiently, including hogging network resources.
- Mention that the bootloaders being FORCE locked (as in, not unlockable) does not offer protection from any present viruses or attacks of Android devices.
- Mention also that unlocking the bootloaders could very well use a system like HTC uses - which stores the IMEI of the device and voids its software warranty indefinitely, making Verizon's warranty services not liable for what a user installs on their device.
- Close your talk/voicemail by stating the number of signatures on the petition, currently well over 5,000, and saying that this is a widespread concern of many users, that wish Android to be truly open.
- Say thank you before you hang up, it'll really give off a good impression.
Also, you could...
TRY AN FCC COMPLAINT:
http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm
Select Wireless Telephone > Billing, Service, Privacy, Number Portability and other issues > Online Form. Fill out your information, scroll down, fill out 1 and 2, skip 3 and 4. Then in 5:
- Tell the FCC that your phone’s bootloader was sold to you locked, preventing the regulatory requirement of BLOCK C Devices (MAKE SURE TO MENTION BLOCK C!!!) that "Consumers should be able to download and utilize any software applications, content, or services they desire" - make sure to cite that.
- Also helpful would be dispelling the "Reasonable network management" exclusion. Tell the FCC that Verizon allows tethering of unauthorized devices to 4G LTE services through their mobile hotspots and their paid phone tethering functionality as-is, ones that are more bandwidth-hungry and also permit installing custom operating systems, and have a potential of doing significantly more damage, such as laptops.
If you don't want to write yours up manually, we will have a pre-made step 5 that you can just copy paste soon, hopefully.
Don't forget to...
TRY EMAILING:
TO: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
To Whom It May Concern,
Motorola, please, we beg of you to hear us out. We bought your devices faithfully, some of us standing in line, some of us saving our hard-earned money for weeks, for months, because we were so excited to get our hands on this shiny new piece of technology, be it the Droid 3, the RAZR, the Droid RAZR, the Bionic, the Atrix 4G... Even the Droid X, Droid 2, Milestone, and other users. We were aching to do the impossible with it - to break records with unparalleled speed, to optimize, to customize. To shun those who didn't believe in you delivering on your promise to unlock the full potential for your well-constructed devices, Motorola. We've been faithfully waiting.
And waiting, and waiting. Until today, when you delivered the announcement of the Motorola RAZR Developer's Edition. And unfortunately, this is not like the XOOM's 4G upgrade, where users could send in their already purchased devices - no. This is a completely new device. There is zero compensation or consideration for those of us who already have Motorola-branded phones in our hands.
Motorola.... We Droid RAZR users... We Atrix 4G users... We Droid Bionic users... Even we Droid RAZR MAXX users that got our phones less than a week ago... What about us, Motorola? You gave us your word. It was a tipping decision for a lot of your buyers that purchased the Droid RAZR, to know that we would be a part of history, having the very first Motorola device with an unlockable bootloader. Why did you alienate us? You saw all of our petitions, and this announcement seems a lot like a one-trick pony, something that will start here, not sell well (because we've already purchased the exact same phone and aren't financially able to purchase another), and never happen again. Will there ever be a consumer device that also doubles as a treat for the enthusiasts, like the Transformer Prime? Or any of HTC's devices? As faithful customers, we've been faithfully waiting.
This is like a slap in the face to every buyer of your high-end phones. We very much do appreciate that you're trying, but this is not the solution you need, or that we need. At least not in its current form. Please put your foot down firmly. If Verizon is causing this, you do have the ability to change it. Nexus devices changed it. HTC changed it.
Honor your core demographic, the Android enthusiasts, and unlock your devices. If not the ones you've already released, then all in the future. 2012 is an important year for all of us. Please.
Sincerely,
One of the over 15,000 people represented by the internet petitions listed below.
http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
Or...
TRY TWEETING:
Really, @Motorola? I don't see any mention of a "Developer's Edition". http://moto.ly/icsboot #OPMOSH2
Or even...
TRY POSTING ON THEIR FACEBOOK WALL:
I'm fairly sure a "Developer's Edition" of the same phone isn't a "software release", Motorola. Give us a break. http://moto.ly/icsboot
But above all...
MAKE SURE TO SIGN THE PETITION!!
It is the backbone of this movement. We need as many signatures as possible.
We NEED to be heard to get anywhere. Spread the word to your Facebook friends, your Twitter friends, your Google Talk friends, your Google+ friends, your favorite Android news site, local newspaper, lawyers... Spread the word! Bring freedom to the Android ecosystem, like Andy Rubin and Rich Miner intended.
Thank you SO much for your support. This community is amazing and I know our endeavors will come to fruition soon. See you on Moto's Facebook!
Already started! Been spamming facebook for two days...
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what is the point of this? if it's about the bootloaders try spamming Verizon instead as Motorola has already announced that the bootloaders are locked at the discretion of carrier
con5tant said:
what is the point of this? if it's about the bootloaders try spamming Verizon instead as Motorola has already announced that the bootloaders are locked at the discretion of carrier
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If they don't push for it but rather propose the idea lightly, we're not going to get anywhere. HTC and Samsung (w/ the help of google) did it, so can Moto.
Plus, they promised the second half of 2011, and they haven't started in any market anywhere, internationally or state-side.
And hey, the voice of the people just got Verizon to rethink its $2 convenience fee.
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The voice of the people is what got us that announcement in the first place. Go!
The bootloaders will be unlocked with ICS this has been comfirmed by a VZW employee but the release date for ICS is still up in the air
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The bootloaders will be unlocked with ICS this has been comfirmed by a VZW employee but the release date for ICS is still up in the air
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Is this the same employee that told us the nexus would come out on december eighth?
Time for my daily motorola facebook spam.
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Is this the same employee that told us the nexus would come out on december eighth?
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Yeah seriously if it's not an executive it means nothing, and an executive would never just announce something like that casually.
con5tant said:
what is the point of this? if it's about the bootloaders try spamming Verizon instead as Motorola has already announced that the bootloaders are locked at the discretion of carrier
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Thats already been proven as a BS excuse from Moto. HTC unlocked their bootloaders on VZW's phones.
Just post this over and over on their facebook wall.
“In terms of your question – we completely understand the operator requirement for security to the end user, and as well, want to support the developer communities desire to use these products as a development platform. It is our intention to enable the unlockable/relockable bootloader currently found on Motorola XOOM across our portfolio of devices starting in late 2011, where carriers and operators will allow it.”
HTC was allowed by Verizon Wireless to unlock the HTC Thunderbolt, your excuses are invalid now Moto!
Start a petition at http://www.change.org like the one that just made Verizon change the $2 fee....
mattlgroff said:
Just post this over and over on their facebook wall.
“In terms of your question – we completely understand the operator requirement for security to the end user, and as well, want to support the developer communities desire to use these products as a development platform. It is our intention to enable the unlockable/relockable bootloader currently found on Motorola XOOM across our portfolio of devices starting in late 2011, where carriers and operators will allow it.”
HTC was allowed by Verizon Wireless to unlock the HTC Thunderbolt, your excuses are invalid now Moto!
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hmm....late 2011....seems like that has come and gone now.
I'm not entirely sure why people are touting your excuses are now invalid based on HTC unlocking their bootloaders. It's not like Motorola and HTC are going to have identical contracts with Verizon
HTC and Samsung were able to pull it off. I highly highly doubt their contract even brushes against the bootloaders at all, anyway.
What if moto is just hiding behind the carriers to never unlock them. Yes others have done it and to me it doesn't that hard to convince a carrier, unless of course you're not trying too hard. We can all move onto other devices but really what's the ratio of us hardcore users vs those that don't even know what a bootloader is. We can spam their social pages I guess but even there you're getting resistance from regular users who aren't in our hardcore world standing up for moto thinking they are the greatest thing since slice bread. But hey, if we don't try who's going to.
Asus felt the heat, now it's time we step our game up on Moto. Can someone repost this wherever possible (X, X2, Bionic, Xyboard, Atrix 2, Rootz, Droidforums, etc. Forums) and link back to this thread so we stay organized, and we'll launch a full out war against Moto for their lies. Go!
(Also feel free to click Submit this Thread as a News Tip at the top right thanks ok)
If anything, it should be easier for Moto to do this than for HTC or Samsung, since Moto devices carry Verizon's Android experience. Not that the HTC and Sammy phones are bad or worse, but phones like the Droid, Droid X, Droid 2, Droid Bionic, Droid RAZR, etc. are the flagship phones for Verizon. If anything, Verizon has more onus to be harsh with HTC and Samsung over Motorola (Bing as default comes to mind).
They already have the phone-side software there on the newer models, we're just waiting for them to flip the switch on "fastboot oem unlock" to allow. That's literally it. It's stupidly easy. Keep going!
http://news.verizonwireless.com/new...razr-maxx-upgrades-to-ice-cream-sandwich.html
The DROID RAZR and the DROID RAZR MAXX by Motorola will be the first 4G LTE smartphones on the Verizon Wireless network to be Global Ready.
The upgrade, which will begin on June 22, will also upgrade all smartphones in the DROID RAZR family to the popular Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich operating system.
Ice Cream Sandwich features upgraded functionality and new features, such as Face Unlock. By looking directly at the screen, the smartphone recognizes its owner and automatically unlocks the device. It also includes Direct Access Lock Screen, which allows you to easily open camera, text messages, and dialer from the lock screen.
Customers can use the front camera to video chat with friends and family to share summer stories or even just to wave hello. The new Video Calling icon makes it easy to access video chatting apps like ooVoo and Tango.
The upgrade also enhances the voice input technology, typing your words as you speak emails or texts. Speak continuously for paragraphs at a time, add punctuation and even edit mistakes with voice input.
As a Global Ready device, customers with the DROID RAZR and DROID RAZR MAXX will be able to have voice and data service in more than 220 countries, when subscribed to an international plan.
Additional information on the ICS upgrade can be found on the DROID RAZR and DROID RAZR MAXX by Motorola support page.
And we rezound users care because.....
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This makes me wonder because most everyone here thinks that the latest leak is the OTA but it dosent have the Global ready features in it..now the Razr OTA does have them..so this has me thinking that there will be another build to include the gloabl ready features that Verizon said the Rezound will have this summer. or does Verizon slip them in there without changing the build number?
3 ICS threads down, 7 to go ;-)
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Yup just read the article via Google Currents
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3 ICS threads down, 7 to go ;-)
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This one is sorta razr related so i don't think it counts for you bet thing going on.
Well hopefully Verizon will let our OTA go through and if we have to wait for GSM capabilities i hope they can do that quickly. *sigh*
Verizon wants their droid/moto stuff to get ICS and the Global features first I am sure. HTC has probably been waiting on Verizon for the past couple months to get ICS out anyway.
The RAZR is a terrible looking phone. It makes me want to throw it against a wall...
con247 said:
Verizon wants their droid/moto stuff to get ICS and the Global features first I am sure. HTC has probably been waiting on Verizon for the past couple months to get ICS out anyway.
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Im sure this is why were delayed. Get the razr ics first. Let it shine for couple weeks then let Rezound get ICS. At first i thought was they wanted to release Inc 4g as first htc with ics on verizon to sell it but the razr part makes sense. Which fcks the users over. Asses
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I'm at the mercy of their corporate tyranny due to the cellular coverage. Otherwise I'd blow this popsicle stand. Can't any of the other big carriers get more coverage please?
Hi guys.
I love Motorola, and I'm thinking on upgrading to a MAXX. But I have a few concerns. I live abroad so I need it to be GSM.
To my understandings, the ones who can take a Turbo SIM are GSM capable, am I right?
Also,
Is there a way to quickly recognize GSM ones? I'll buy it through ebay and I'm afraid I'll need to ask every seller just to make sure I don't buy the CDMA one.
I got a DROID 2 Global right now and it works wonders.
Is the battery life difference between and MAXX and normal Razr so huge that is worth the extra $100?
If you could have another phone other than MAXX, what would it be? (not S3 )
Kind a lot of question, but I can only change my phone yearly or so, so I need the best I can have.
The cdma RAZR with the verizon ICS update .211 has world capabilities, the GSM radio is accessible on it.
If you get a cdma one and its not updated yet, first check for update over wifi on it and if says up to date give it the middle finger then download matt's 1.7 utility and flash the .211 leak, its the same as ota,
If I could have another phone I would choose something like the droid 4. I kinda still miss my keyboard. But then again the RAZR's screen is larger, and OLED where the droid 4 is the old LCD pentile like on the bionic. (oled is pentile to but much less noticeable)
Just a note, I dont have a max, I have a regular RAZR that I want to maxx soon.
I would say that double battery life is definitely worth the $100, Im gona end up paying a extra $150, plus i got the razr on release so It was $300 then. $$$
A easy way to identify the GSM ones is the lack of the Verizon 4g LTE logo on the back. Also the official name on the GSM is Motorola RAZR, DROID RAZR is a registered trademark of Verizon I believe, maybe just the "Droid" part, not sure.
AndroidGreg said:
The cdma RAZR with the verizon ICS update .211 has world capabilities, the GSM radio is accessible on it.
If you get a cdma one and its not updated yet, first check for update over wifi on it and if says up to date give it the middle finger then download matt's 1.7 utility and flash the .211 leak, its the same as ota,
If I could have another phone I would choose something like the droid 4. I kinda still miss my keyboard. But then again the RAZR's screen is larger, and OLED where the droid 4 is the old LCD pentile like on the bionic. (oled is pentile to but much less noticeable)
Just a note, I dont have a max, I have a regular RAZR that I want to maxx soon.
I would say that double battery life is definitely worth the $100, Im gona end up paying a extra $150, plus i got the razr on release so It was $300 then. $$$
A easy way to identify the GSM ones is the lack of the Verizon 4g LTE logo on the back. Also the official name on the GSM is Motorola RAZR, DROID RAZR is a registered trademark of Verizon I believe, maybe just the "Droid" part, not sure.
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That was very helpful man, thanks haha. But what you are saying is that it doesn't matter which one I get since I'll be able to use my SIM just by updating it? First time I hear something like that...what about the SIM slot? I don't think a CDMA phone will have one "just in case"...
Would you say that for 350 I should definitely get the MAXX? That's my budget and I know I can get one for that on ebay.
Many people still insisting I should get SII, but I want to believe Maxx is the better one...even though I'm fooling myself...
I just found out phones with bad ESN will work on GSM carriers.
Is that true?
Pretty sure that the XT912 is the model number of the CDMA (Verizon) RAZR and XT910 is the model number of the GSM one.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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The screen is better on the galaxy S2, fyi. The pentile on the RAZR really bothers me when viewing text. Hurts my eyes after only 5-10 minutes.
I recommend you spend some time with one before buying.
I'm looking forward to the RAZR HD.
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So in reading the latest news, I came across this article where Samsung states that Verizon specifically asked for a locked and encrypted bootloader for the new SGIII. In fact, the article stated they are the only carrier to ask for it.
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/dr...ing-you-need-including-locked-bootloader.html
I know a lot of us feel like Motorola is not holding up their end of a promise, but perhaps it is a carrier-side issue. A little communication from Moto would help though.
I don't think it's any secret that it is the carriers that want locked boot loaders. Why would Motorola care one way or the other?
Wow, just wow. We got the only locked SG3.
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old news
thot this was old and not surprising news
verizon wants total control (monopoly and high prices)their excuse is people altering their phones can screw up their network....riiiight
i never blamed moto they only build what is ordered
And when I bought my phone unbranded and unlocked (international version) why is Motorola still locking my bootloader? I dont even live in the US.
Ya... no surprise vzw wants the bootloader locked! I think back to my evo on sprint... i had unlocked bootloader, and was able to use hotspot for free(sprint wants $30/mo) i was also able to flash full 3g verizon prl's.... what does that mean? I was able to use vzw towers 100% of the time roaming with full 3g data... that means sprint had to pay a lot of roaming fees, for me to try vzw's network b4 i actually made the plunge.... add that to the many other posibilities that an unlocked bootloader mames available, and i can see why they want a locked bootloader.
this razr maxx is my first verizon phone after coming from tmo... are all verizon android phones boot loader locked? is this the reason for such little development on this razr maxx? i didnt look into how healthy the dev for it was... and im going to miss swapping roms! i hate moto blur...
bigdookie said:
this razr maxx is my first verizon phone after coming from tmo... are all verizon android phones boot loader locked? is this the reason for such little development on this razr maxx? i didnt look into how healthy the dev for it was... and im going to miss swapping roms! i hate moto blur...
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No, all are not locked. The Samsung Galaxy Nexus and the HTC Rezound are both unlocked.
MyEntityRemains said:
No, all are not locked. The Samsung Galaxy Nexus and the HTC Rezound are both unlocked.
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thanks for the reply. but i am not just BLIND when I see there is very little development for the razr maxx?
bigdookie said:
this razr maxx is my first verizon phone after coming from tmo... are all verizon android phones boot loader locked? is this the reason for such little development on this razr maxx? i didnt look into how healthy the dev for it was... and im going to miss swapping roms! i hate moto blur...
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Verizon phones are a little weird. The OG Motorola Droid was bootloader unlocked, as is the Motorola Xoom. HTC devices are typically locked but the bootloader can be unlocked (or bypassed) soon after released. At the end of 2011, HTC decided to unlocked all of their current phones (Thunderbolt, Rezound, etc). ALL Nexus' (any carrier / any Nexus) are unlocked. Google wont allow a Nexus device to be locked. Unfortunately a lot of other Samsung devices are locked. Hope that helps.
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My backup device is wifi only for a reason. I do not need verizon but for now the 1 line I have is good enough for all my phone needs and 69 bucks a month is about as cheap as you can get for a web phone.
The locked loader on the razr is an issue but rooted and an app turns on wifi tethering and works flawlessly, foxfi
they have a right to restrict but I will look to unlocked in the future, I expect to keep my razr for the forcible future. the battery in the maxx is no joke , 2 days using gps,wifi and data