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Why bother to root the 3VO or any phone?
How does Sprint update? If Sprint can update and change "stuff" in the rom like the clock or whatever, or even change the system from 2.2 to 2.3 how do they do it?
Is there some code in the front end of the install, that allows this update without root?
I suggest find this part of any update that Sprint uses; and then just run this section of code on any/every new rom that any developer wants to run...
I remember looking at some old games and programs, and being able to find the lost "code keys" that were actually on the cd's in hidden files.... type those into the program when they started, and bam.... no "key" on the box needed.
Anyway, if Sprint can do it without "root" why bother to root - just find the hidden lines!
This might seem simple, or maybe obsurd, or just outside the "box".... but seriously - what if?
The hell?
Drugs are bad mmkay?
Hmmm. Ok go ahead and get on that
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Hmmmm perhaps you don't get it...
i.e. if sprint can 're-rom" our locked phones... why can't we?
Que....?
I goes something like this.
Take the firmware, zip it up, take that zip, encrypt it with a private key. Push this OTA to the device.
The device will read the OTA update, check to see if the decryption key succeeds and then flash the device.
You're confusing headers in unsigned roms with hash checks in encrypted roms.
In simplest forms this is a header
Start>Rom1
You can change Rom1 to Rom2
Start>Rom2
That's a header.
Encryption is a little bit harder.
For simplicity sake let's just say the encryption key was +5 and decryption key was -5.
If your rom contained simply this.
Hello
Your file would be
Mjqqt
Send that to the phone it'll derive that into Hello
Now unless you know the encryption/decryption key how would you know that Mjqqt was Hello? It's not gonna be as simple as -5/+5 or anything like that.
Play with PGP and you'll see that the word Hello could be something like this
390tu904ugriojwG#GvrgerfdojeGO#J)94g39141Hb9ohbrG$#!Tjodsdfobadvscnleojgireig340909g3098409riorgkenR)#dgro0gJ#$)!0rejg!#GJ!!JRGH!#$G9je10ojgreojer1
You make it sound so simple. Too bad these phones are locked with strong modern encryption... The only way to install an update like htc/sprint can is it is signed with the correct private key, which only they have.
Because we don't have the private key to sign the update. There, no more questions on this thread.
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Stephanie95 said:
Hmmmm perhaps you don't get it...
i.e. if sprint can 're-rom" our locked phones... why can't we?
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Here, let me explain... it's like this. You go to work, but you can't go beyond your department. Sprint/HTC owns the office building, so they go in and out, with their key. You on the other hand, can only go where they let you go. Now if we some how find a little crack in the wall some where, we might be able to get in and then do as we please. We might even be able to change the locks so they can't get in unless we let them.
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Here, let me explain... it's like this. You go to work, but you can't go beyond your department. Sprint/HTC owns the office building, so they go in and out, with their key. You on the other hand, can only go where they let you go. Now if we some how find a little crack in the wall some where, we might be able to get in and then do as we please. We might even be able to change the locks so they can't get in unless we let them.
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Ok what about a "key-gen" ? i.e.
Is there an "encryption-gen"?
Can we delete this thread? Its taking up precious bandwidth from the internet.
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Stephanie95 said:
Ok what about a "key-gen" ? i.e.
Is there an "encryption-gen"?
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I know that not everyone is knowledgeable on every subject, but instead of asking here, you can do some Google searches about public private key encryption.
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nealwheels said:
Can we delete this thread? Its taking up precious bandwidth from the internet.
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Hmmmm... this takes up bandwidth- from what? Crysis2 takes up tons of bandwidth and "they" can get away with it... this is just a bit of typing once ever 5 min... lol
Have some fun and think outside the BOX!
i.e. both Sprint and HTC have this code and the phones don't need to be unlocked to install a new ROM
lol
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I know that not everyone is knowledgeable on every subject, but instead of asking here, you can do some Google searches about public private key encryption.
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Ya I will - but I was hoping the genius of the developers could hack something quickly... I don't know what I'm doing, other than "Brain-Storming"
Brainstorming is a good first step to get over "the wall"
I get my 3VO monday
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Ok what about a "key-gen" ? i.e.
Is there an "encryption-gen"?
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I see what the OP is trying to say there is like a master program code that opens the door for the OTA to get pushed through.
I really would rather wait for a good program to come back such as unrevoked 3 and then AMON other then that im sure sprint has hidden there tracks really well because if they didn't this would be known world wide by now
There is no keygen for such a thing . There waiting on HTC to do a update to unlock the phone which should be soon.
reaper24 said:
There is no keygen for such a thing . There waiting on HTC to do a update to unlock the phone which should be soon.
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ok cool
does every phone have it's specific type of encryption?
I imagine they all have different "code-keys"
But, I wonder if anyone knows how the EVO was encrypted, or any of the older phones? Would that help?
I'm really pulling for the developers to come up with a "simlpe root" for the
3VO!
Using the computer to open files and "push stuff in a shell with pc3600.exe.zip.whatever.something.newfile... wasn't easy when I got my EVO when it was released(with "s-on"). lol
Alright, honestly we just need to wait for HTC to release a update...
Its been 24 hours and already some people are thirsty to root this bad boy...
Give it time
Stephanie95 said:
ok cool
does every phone have it's specific type of encryption?
I imagine they all have different "code-keys"
But, I wonder if anyone knows how the EVO was encrypted, or any of the older phones? Would that help?
I'm really pulling for the developers to come up with a "simlpe root" for the
3VO!
Using the computer to open files and "push stuff in a shell with pc3600.exe.zip.whatever.something.newfile... wasn't easy when I got my EVO when it was released(with "s-on"). lol
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Htc really locked this sucker down from what I remember then enough people started *****in and HTC CEO said it will not be locked down with that crazy encryption which would take year or more to break.
From what I know and read were waiting on them to unlock us and the devs to build stuff along with a easy root
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I get my 3VO monday
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Please, buy an iphone.
Oh, and never post in the Developer section again. OKTHANKSBYE
I'm curious about how one would go about cracking a bootloader. Is it some complex algorithm that a super computer is required to solve?
If so, could someone write a PC program that uses parallel computation so that a bunch of people, say a thousand, running this program could solve the algorithim together? This approach is currently used by HIV researchers hoping to understand how proteins fold. I am curiuous if that strategy could be employed in our context.
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I'm curious about how one would go about cracking a bootloader. Is it some complex algorithm that a super computer is required to solve?
If so, could someone write a PC program that uses parallel computation so that a bunch of people, say a thousand, running this program could solve the algorithim together? This approach is currently used by HIV researchers hoping to understand how proteins fold. I am curiuous if that strategy could be employed in our context.
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It sounds halfway reasonable, but I imagine if that's all it took to beat the encryption then I would be even more afraid of the Chinese government. (And ours...)
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I been wondering the same... I know this is going to sound retarded, but:
Is there a my problem that is used to determine the key? I ask this because couldn't we just find certain values to replace in the formula? I know I know, stupid question.
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The way a bootloader's encryption works is the manufacturer will generate a random string of characters and use it to sign anything they wish to lock on the device. It may sound easy enough to simply pick apart one of the signed files and take a look at what the unlock code is, but the problem lies in that you can't see the key until you already have it, due to the way the phone is programmed to act. So, the idea is that they generate a a key to use and hope no one guesses it (or cracks it due to errors on their part, a dev leaking files, etc), as that key will unlock everything they want to hide.
Now, it's easy to say that we can just use a random number generator and brute force the bootloader after awhile, though how long "awhile" is is in itself the real value behind locking a bootloader in this way.
If I'm not mistaken, Motorola uses 256-bit encryption. That means that they used a form of encryption that allows the key to be one of 2^256 possibilities.
Now, let's assume that every person in the world, approx. 7 billion people (slightly less, but close enough), owns one computer. Let's also assume that each person has the ability and knowledge to brute force AES-256 encryption, and will do so on Motorola's Droid X2 bootloader.
If 7 billion computers are operating 100% of the time to try to figure out which of the 115,792,089,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 possible combinations Motorola used to sign with, it will take those computers 103,227,037,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years to figure out the correct key.
Now keep in my I used my computer's processor (i7 3960x) clock and actions per second rate for determining the amount of time it would take. Using the specs of the average home computer, it could take up anywhere from 10 to 20 times longer (a retarded amount of time, considering how large the number already is). Also, the average brute force attempt will find the key in half the time it would have taken to find all of them (50%), and I applied this to the final time.
Don't ask why I know all this...
Hope I could help!
Excellent explanation. I know it's been stated in less detail, but you pretty much gave a great explanation that hopefully should make it completely clear why brute-force is NOT an option. Even if your numbers are off, it still makes clear that NO super computer could do it without giving YEARS, and I mean "years" in more than 10) to even have half-a-chance to crack the key.
No, the only way to unlock the bootloader is someone from Motorola leaks an unlocked bootloader or else, someone leaks the key. Both require someone from inside Motorola doing this and I don't see it happening.
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The way a bootloader's encryption works is the manufacturer will generate a random string of characters and use it to sign anything they wish to lock on the device. It may sound easy enough to simply pick apart one of the signed files and take a look at what the unlock code is, but the problem lies in that you can't see the key until you already have it, due to the way the phone is programmed to act. So, the idea is that they generate a a key to use and hope no one guesses it (or cracks it due to errors on their part, a dev leaking files, etc), as that key will unlock everything they want to hide.
Now, it's easy to say that we can just use a random number generator and brute force the bootloader after awhile, though how long "awhile" is is in itself the real value behind locking a bootloader in this way.
If I'm not mistaken, Motorola uses 256-bit encryption. That means that they used a form of encryption that allows the key to be one of 2^256 possibilities.
Now, let's assume that every person in the world, approx. 7 billion people (slightly less, but close enough), owns one computer. Let's also assume that each person has the ability and knowledge to brute force AES-256 encryption, and will do so on Motorola's Droid X2 bootloader.
If 7 billion computers are operating 100% of the time to try to figure out which of the 115,792,089,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 possible combinations Motorola used to sign with, it will take those computers 103,227,037,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years to figure out the correct key.
Now keep in my I used my computer's processor (i7 3960x) clock and actions per second rate for determining the amount of time it would take. Using the specs of the average home computer, it could take up anywhere from 10 to 20 times longer (a retarded amount of time, considering how large the number already is). Also, the average brute force attempt will find the key in half the time it would have taken to find all of them (50%), and I applied this to the final time.
Don't ask why I know all this... I like balls
Hope I could help!
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iBolski said:
Excellent explanation. I know it's been stated in less detail, but you pretty much gave a great explanation that hopefully should make it completely clear why brute-force is NOT an option. Even if your numbers are off, it still makes clear that NO super computer could do it without giving YEARS, and I mean "years" in more than 10) to even have half-a-chance to crack the key.
No, the only way to unlock the bootloader is someone from Motorola leaks an unlocked bootloader or else, someone leaks the key. Both require someone from inside Motorola doing this and I don't see it happening.
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Thank you, I just thought it needed to be clarified why we couldn't brute force so easily, or at least within the time before the human race goes extinct. The numbers may be off by one or two zeros, but should be fairly accurate. You get the point though
Also, I think my friend edited my post and added "I like balls". That wasn't me, more of a fan PG lady parts personally
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Also, I think my friend edited my post and added "I like balls". That wasn't me, more of a fan PG lady parts personally
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Was just about to ask about the balls.
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Jubomime said:
Was just about to ask about the balls.
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And just to clarify, I apparently can't type worth ****. I don't like "PG" lady parts, as that would make me either a pedophile or gay. Just thought I'd clear that up.
Inb4 I missed a typo in this post.
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And just to clarify, I apparently can't type worth ****. I don't like "PG" lady parts, as that would make me either a pedophile or gay. Just thought I'd clear that up.
Inb4 I missed a typo in this post.
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Evidence is starting to pile up.
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Thanks for the explanation, I had a hint of most of that. What I was wondering:
Is there a FORMULA? (ie. 2x+6a-b=KEYFILE)
It was a stupid question, I'm just a sucker for these threads haha. Looking at the wiki now on AES.
Peperm1nt said:
Thanks for the explanation, I had a hint of most of that. What I was wondering:
Is there a FORMULA? (ie. 2x+6a-b=KEYFILE)
It was a stupid question, I'm just a sucker for these threads haha. Looking at the wiki now on AES.
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Lol dude don't worry about it. So long as the question is relevant to the topic, I say there isn't such a thing as a stupid question. 'Sides, this isn't exactly common knowledge anyway.
There is a formula, yes, and I meant to say this earlier, though not in the conventional sense. AES divides inputted values into 4 bit groupings and generates a random outcome for each grouping. In the case of 256 bit AES, it will ultimately generate a random string with a length dependent on the original number of values the user has provided the encryption with.
Those values provided by the user will be the key, and the final outcome generated by the encrypter will be the "signature" in the bootloader. When attempting to verify bootloader access, if you don't input the character key string, AES will create a different outcome than the one assigned to the bootloader, and deny you access.
Because of how brilliant AES truly is, it is designed to encrypt and decrypt with the same key string, meaning we need either a sympathetic dev with credentials that aren't handed out lightly, or to find a flaw unnoticed by Motorola. Otherwise, we are stuck having to brute force, which is simply not going to happen.
I hope at least some of this made sense. I'm going by memory for a lot of this, you may get a better idea of it by doing some Googling.
Hope I could help!
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Evidence is starting to pile up.
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ಠ_ಠ damn it, you got me
I'm pretty good at math, and always found a way to work things out in my head by finding a way to make the operations simple. I know this isn't a simple process, but let me try to ask this to get a better understanding of how this works; btw thanks for all the information provided thus far.
Keep in mind this is going to be simple.
AES ENCRYPTION:
Motorola inputs A as the key for bootloader. The output is B.
B is what you will see if you were to look at the actual signature before decryption.
As we all know, there is no true random in computers, can't we just look at aes code and reverse the formula? We would need to know of a known value, but idk, it was just a thought. Also wpa is also aes encrypted, and I think I read somewhere of the aircrack-ng crew finding a way to go around the bruteforce of the keyfile.
Also,(this is a long shot)
If we know the exact length of the string, can't we just replace the hex with another key? And force the md5 sum to stay the same for security?
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Peperm1nt said:
I'm pretty good at math, and always found a way to work things out in my head by finding a way to make the operations simple. I know this isn't a simple process, but let me try to ask this to get a better understanding of how this works; btw thanks for all the information provided thus far.
Keep in mind this is going to be simple.
AES ENCRYPTION:
Motorola inputs A as the key for bootloader. The output is B.
B is what you will see if you were to look at the actual signature before decryption.
As we all know, there is no true random in computers, can't we just look at aes code and reverse the formula? We would need to know of a known value, but idk, it was just a thought. Also wpa is also aes encrypted, and I think I read somewhere of the aircrack-ng crew finding a way to go around the bruteforce of the keyfile.
Also,(this is a long shot)
If we know the exact length of the string, can't we just replace the hex with another key? And force the md5 sum to stay the same for security?
Tapin' the Talk on the xSquared
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that sounds feasible, but at the same time i suck at math, so id be no good at this...
couldnt we look in the chinese forums for this unlock? they seem to know what to do. or is it possible to change the atrix, photon, or xoom unlock to match ours since theyre phones are similar to ours?
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Peperm1nt said:
I'm pretty good at math, and always found a way to work things out in my head by finding a way to make the operations simple. I know this isn't a simple process, but let me try to ask this to get a better understanding of how this works; btw thanks for all the information provided thus far.
Keep in mind this is going to be simple.
AES ENCRYPTION:
Motorola inputs A as the key for bootloader. The output is B.
B is what you will see if you were to look at the actual signature before decryption.
As we all know, there is no true random in computers, can't we just look at aes code and reverse the formula? We would need to know of a known value, but idk, it was just a thought. Also wpa is also aes encrypted, and I think I read somewhere of the aircrack-ng crew finding a way to go around the bruteforce of the keyfile.
Also,(this is a long shot)
If we know the exact length of the string, can't we just replace the hex with another key? And force the md5 sum to stay the same for security?
Tapin' the Talk on the xSquared
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Actually that is a fairly reasonable way of describing the process, I suppose I could've said that And no problem, I like being (at least somewhat) useful
For reversing the process in its entirety, we would need to know part of the key to solve for the whole thing. Think of it like this, where x is the first portion of the key, and y is the second:
If we know that x+y=10, we can't solve for the variables, even though we know the final outcome. It isn't until we are told that x=2 that we can figure out that y=8.
It seems like I'm reaching the extent of my knowledge on AES, because I'm not sure how successful your last point would be. It doesn't sound impossible per se, but it just sounds too easy
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ztotherad said:
that sounds feasible, but at the same time i suck at math, so id be no good at this...
couldnt we look in the chinese forums for this unlock? they seem to know what to do. or is it possible to change the atrix, photon, or xoom unlock to match ours since theyre phones are similar to ours?
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Unfortunately it isn't so simple. The Atrix was unlocked by a leaked bootloader, meaning we have no idea how to unlock it, as a lovely Moto dev did so for us. Not only that, but if it wasn't a flaw that the dev exploited, he probably used the correct key to unlock it, and I would each model is signed differently.
I have no idea about the photon or xoom to be honest lmao
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Actually that is a fairly reasonable way of describing the process, I suppose I could've said that And no problem, I like being (at least somewhat) useful
For reversing the process in its entirety, we would need to know part of the key to solve for the whole thing. Think of it like this, where x is the first portion of the key, and y is the second:
If we know that x+y=10, we can't solve for the variables, even though we know the final outcome. It isn't until we are told that x=2 that we can figure out that y=8.
It seems like I'm reaching the extent of my knowledge on AES, because I'm not sure how successful your last point would be. It doesn't sound impossible per se, but it just sounds too easy
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Unfortunately it isn't so simple. The Atrix was unlocked by a leaked bootloader, meaning we have no idea how to unlock it, as a lovely Moto dev did so for us. Not only that, but if it wasn't a flaw that the dev exploited, he probably used the correct key to unlock it, and I would each model is signed differently.
I have no idea about the photon or xoom to be honest lmao
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side note: do you have a twitter or a gtalk account?
so we couldn't take the atrix sbf with the pudding and apply it to the x2 without ****ing up our phones hardcore? i wonder if we could take either the xoom or photon and do it then.. probably the xoom would be more successful since it's on verizon's network anyway.
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side note: do you have a twitter or a gtalk account?
so we couldn't take the atrix sbf with the pudding and apply it to the x2 without ****ing up our phones hardcore? i wonder if we could take either the xoom or photon and do it then.. probably the xoom would be more successful since it's on verizon's network anyway.
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I don't have a gtalk but I'm on Skype everyday. I find it much more convenient, plus all my friends from school use it. Seems like everyone on xda uses gtalk though lol. If you want my Skype let me know, n ill pm ya.
We wouldn't be able to sbf to an Atrix rom without a whole lot of optimization, including work on the bootloader. Our phones may have similar hardware to an Atrix, but each model is very different in the software department. We actually have an Atrix port, I believe.
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side note: do you have a twitter or a gtalk account?
so we couldn't take the atrix sbf with the pudding and apply it to the x2 without ****ing up our phones hardcore? i wonder if we could take either the xoom or photon and do it then.. probably the xoom would be more successful since it's on verizon's network anyway.
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If it "would" work, we would eventually need the kernel source for the x2 to fix our phone, which isn't released. And SBFing an x2 overlay would just lock it again(i think).
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What I mean is this, we could hex edit where the actual keystring would be(0x***Keyfile**) to (0x***FakeKeyfile**). When we go to apply the unlock key we would already know what our encryption key would be to apply. In other words, "make" a new bootloader signature in which we would know the key, replace the existing master file in a Hex workshop, then apply the new key.
This is assuming there is a master file.
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If it "would" work, we would eventually need the kernel source for the x2 to fix our phone, which isn't released. And SBFing an x2 overlay would just lock it again(i think).
@theredvendetta
What I mean is this, we could hex edit where the actual keystring would be(0x***Keyfile**) to (0x***FakeKeyfile**). When we go to apply the unlock key we would already know what our encryption key would be to apply. In other words, "make" a new bootloader signature in which we would know the key, replace the existing master file in a Hex workshop, then apply the new key.
This is assuming there is a master file.
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so our kernel source hasn't been released? damn, i read in the atrix 2 forums that they're trying to bypass the bootloader and kernel. I'll provide a link after I post this then edit it.
I have a (possibly stupid) question.
In terminal emulator doesn't "dmesg" displays all the kernel info?,"dmesg -i kernel" can that be used to make up a kernel source?
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hggadm3 said:
I have a (possibly stupid) question.
In terminal emulator doesn't "dmesg" displays all the kernel info?,"dmesg -i kernel" can that be used to make up a kernel source?
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No. We have kernel source, but the amount of time required to get the signatures to get the kernel to work would take a very long time. Honestly not as long as previously posted (there is something called a "Birthday Attack" that can be used) but even if this was possible, the amount of time would still be completely unreasonable.
So from what I understand, either HTC or AT&T has plans of dicking over the populous when it comes to the bootloader. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. I don't have any updates on the issue so i don't know if it's happened yet or not. In any case, if you end up in a situation where you cannot obtain the unlock token from HTC for the bootloader, try out Unlock Phone Bootloader by Unlock Root. I personally have used Unlock Root time and time again to root and unroot my old LG MyTouch and my husband's Q with no issues. No need to use command prompt. Just plug in your phone to your comp, enable USB debugging and hit start once the program is on it way. I completely forgot about the bootloader program during the whole process of obtaining drivers and getting ADB and what not. I only remembered just now becaue I'm fixing to root my phone and wanted to see if Unlock Root supported our phone. It's new to the US market, but not the international. So I didn't use the Unlock Bootloader. But, if i ever have to turn this phone in for whatever horrible reason, I'll keep this in mind for myself.
Anyways, Get the program. Give it a shot. It's literally really easy to use. No drivers and command prompts and the like. I'm about to root my phone with the UR program, if it's supported. Have fun. And post if the UB program was actually a success.
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Not sure if serious or Spam....
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Not sure if serious or Spam....
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Sure looks like an effing ad to me!
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Hogwash. OP should know better than to post methods not tested on the device in discussion.
SPAM
You cannot use the same partition hacks that were used on the previous HTC models.
Awe sh!t the big guns have shown up!
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droidiac13 said:
Awe sh!t the big guns have shown up!
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Well sites like that steal our hard work and monetize it.
designgears said:
SPAM
You cannot use the same partition hacks that were used on the previous HTC models.
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Not spam clowns. I'm that good at selling a product. Do what you want, it was a suggestion. I said try it. If it worked, post it so others will know and feel comfortable trying it out. Or don't try it. I could give ZERO ***** what you do.
And by the way, this OP says you can't know if something works if you don't test it first. Someone has to test it. Just like trying out a new hack, or ROM or even an app, is all testing. You know, that thing called Beta testing? But what do I know, right? I've only been Rooting and romming for 2.5 years.
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Well sites like that steal our hard work and monetize it.
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And Oh Nos for someone taking the time to make a program that compiles all the "hard work" into one place and makes it easier for many to root their devices, especially those who run into issues like getting ADB to sync on their comps or figure out what SDK files to use. And "bad developer" for charging a fee for their hard work in making said program. Some people ask for donations. You pay for full version apps in the Play Store when you really like the Lite versions. Bad, Bad developer for embracing capitalism. Providing a service and charging a fee. But wait! Unlock Phone and Unlock Root are both FREE unless your phone falls under some special circumstance that requires the "full version".
oooooooo kayyyyyyyyy
gunnyman said:
oooooooo kayyyyyyyyy
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Exactly.
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And Oh Nos for someone taking the time to make a program that compiles all the "hard work" into one place and makes it easier for many to root their devices, especially those who run into issues like getting ADB to sync on their comps or figure out what SDK files to use. And "bad developer" for charging a fee for their hard work in making said program. Some people ask for donations. You pay for full version apps in the Play Store when you really like the Lite versions. Bad, Bad developer for embracing capitalism. Providing a service and charging a fee. But wait! Unlock Phone and Unlock Root are both FREE unless your phone falls under some special circumstance that requires the "full version".
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Its a shame you've been rooting and romming that long yet you're still such a noob, not to phones but to the community in general.
No one is against capital at least not the ones you directed that at in this thread.
If I donate my time to build something that I release for free, because I want to do something for the community, and then someone else decides to use my work and my code and sell it for profit, that's stealing my work and selling it as their own.
All that aside I just plain don't like things such as these because people who couldn't find the instructions and run ADB or use the sdk don't need to be unlocking their bootloaders.
I spend a few hours a night teaching users how to use ADB and fastboot, helping with remote troubleshooting. I also spend a couple more hours answering questions. I could easily charge a small fee send them a script or remotely do it for them and cut them loose. But I enjoy this community and the more people who learn the fundamentals the better the community is. The last thing I want to do is capitalize on something which has the ill effect of me surrounding myself with a bunch of uneducated helpless noobs who will screw things up royally, because a large portion of those users will commit warranty or insurance fraud simply because they don't have the ability to pull a logcat.
I'm a greedy bastard I put in about 70 hours a week with my businesses so I can work my way to the top. I have no problem with capitalism. But there is a place for ethics in capitalism and without it, things go downhill.
I didn't mean to sound to harsh, but when I know the sacrifices some of the people like beaups and jcase have made such as spending thousands of dollars on hardware to get the process to a point its safe and anyone who can read directions can achive unlock, it irks me to see someone jump on their case or put quotation marks to insinuate their hard work is something other than coming home from the real job and sacrificing sleep, family, and social obligations just to better the community as a whole.
I know you didn't realize the hornets nest you were about to uncover, and I hope readers realize I don't have malicious intent.
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So from what I understand, either HTC or AT&T has plans of dicking over the populous when it comes to the bootloader. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. I don't have any updates on the issue so i don't know if it's happened yet or not. In any case, if you end up in a situation where you cannot obtain the unlock token from HTC for the bootloader, try out Unlock Phone Bootloader by Unlock Root. I personally have used Unlock Root time and time again to root and unroot my old LG MyTouch and my husband's Q with no issues. No need to use command prompt. Just plug in your phone to your comp, enable USB debugging and hit start once the program is on it way. I completely forgot about the bootloader program during the whole process of obtaining drivers and getting ADB and what not. I only remembered just now becaue I'm fixing to root my phone and wanted to see if Unlock Root supported our phone. It's new to the US market, but not the international. So I didn't use the Unlock Bootloader. But, if i ever have to turn this phone in for whatever horrible reason, I'll keep this in mind for myself.
Anyways, Get the program. Give it a shot. It's literally really easy to use. No drivers and command prompts and the like. I'm about to root my phone with the UR program, if it's supported. Have fun. And post if the UB program was actually a success.
Link to site: http://unlockroot.com/
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A) wont work on this phone, if it does then its just grabbing a token from HTC and unlocking like another chinese program out there is doing
B) its a thief's program, stealing work from people like me.
jcase said:
A) wont work on this phone, if it does then its just grabbing a token from HTC and unlocking like another chinese program out there is doing
B) its a thief's program, stealing work from people like me.
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c) thread closed and link removed.
Unfortunately I found out too late that the Moto E 2nd generation (2015 LTE) purchased directly from Cricket Wireless comes with a permanent locked boot loader. It came preinstalled with Lollipop. Is anyone willing to work on a way to unlock the boot loader, maybe for a few bucks? If someone has already come up with a method of unlocking this phone, could someone direct me? I have been searching for weeks and come up empty. The closest I came was with Sunshine, but it couldn't with Lollipop installed. I have tried the ADB method but obviously failed and Motorola gives the device not compatible message when trying to unlock from their site (obviously) and now at a loss. If anyone is willing to help, I'd appreciate it.
I'm dealing with the same exact issue. It's been driving me crazy as well.
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I'm dealing with the same exact issue. It's been driving me crazy as well.
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I am glad I'm not alone on this, just hope someone is interested enough to actually try, and who knows, maybe even succeed.
You're definitely not alone. I've seen some interesting and possibly relevant posts in the Moto E section. Including a batch file that tries a bunch of codes. Unfortunately, it didn't work for me. But I'm still plugging away at it. I'm not a developer though, just a geek that enjoys trying to break things.
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You're definitely not alone. I've seen some interesting and possibly relevant posts in the Moto E section. Including a batch file that tries a bunch of codes. Unfortunately, it didn't work for me. But I'm still plugging away at it. I'm not a developer though, just a geek that enjoys trying to break things.
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Do you have the link to the file? I'd love to try. Stupid thing with Sunshine is it passed the Percheron's but because it has lollipop installed, it has to be rooted first to unlock.
I tried sunshine too, lemme find the link
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Here's a link to the post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=54882427
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I tried sunshine too, lemme find the link
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Here's a link to the post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=54882427
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Thanks TheWeirdedOne, I am giving it a shot right now, it appears that it is going to be a long brute force process, still faster than if I tried to guess.
Lemme know your results, please. I need to run it again overnight, I didn't get very far when I tried (needed the phone). So I'm going to try again as well.
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Lemme know your results, please. I need to run it again overnight, I didn't get very far when I tried (needed the phone). So I'm going to try again as well.
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Yea, I needed my phone, I was only able to try for a few hours, no luck yet. From what I can tell, it appears the code is in hex, wouldn't it be easier to broot force by incrementing the value by one. Only thing is we'd need to know for sure is how many characters long it should be. I'd think this would be faster than randomizing, just my opinion. Also with that tool, what prevents it from trying some of the same codes? I really hope someone with real knowledge would respond and help out, but I am not about to demand it or annoy anyone.
I hear ya. I believe it's a 20 digit code. The guy that made it just basically randomized the numbers in the list. I highly doubt it would actually work. So we sit and wait patiently. Someone will eventually crack it, even At&t might, at some point allow for the bootloader to be unlocked. Until then, we just sit and wait lol
If it is a 20 digit code, I might try a simple hex counter with this, but that still will take awhile for it to run. I wish Cricket would reveal the code for my phone.
You and me both, I feel like I got ripped off. This isn't a phone that was purchased under a contract. That's what bugs me. The phone is completely ours since we paid for it. We should have fill rights to do whatever we want to it.
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You and me both, I feel like I got ripped off. This isn't a phone that was purchased under a contract. That's what bugs me. The phone is completely ours since we paid for it. We should have fill rights to do whatever we want to it.
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Yes, I so agree, just wish I were smart enough to crack it or rich enough to rip one of these apart and break it if needed. Regardless, I'm open for suggestions.
This phone's price is subsidized by Cricket. If you want a fully unlocked version you can buy it from Motorola directly:
http://www.motorola.com/us/smartphones/moto-e-2nd-gen/moto-e-2nd-gen.html
I would like it a lot if the bootloader was unlocked, but I don't feel cheated.
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This phone's price is subsidized by Cricket. If you want a fully unlocked version you can buy it from Motorola directly:
http://www.motorola.com/us/smartphones/moto-e-2nd-gen/moto-e-2nd-gen.html
I would like it a lot if the bootloader was unlocked, but I don't feel cheated.
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I never said I felt cheated at all, I only requested assistance with unlocking the bootloader
Let's please stay on topic.
Anyway, I was wondering if there was a way to use odin to crack the bootloader instead of adb mode or rsd lite, you know like using Linux to crack windows , I'm already familiar with Odin as far as rooting a Galaxy Tab 3 is concerned. Im sure I'm just grabbing at straws right now.
Any other ideas with this? The script is unrealistic at this rate.
Resurrecting an old thread here, but I take it no one has yet found a way to unlock a Cricket Moto E 2015? Disappointing that you have to wait 6 months in order to have Cricket do the unlocking for you. I would like to root my phone but apparently that isn't going to happen any time soon! I'll keep hoping though.
Holly
LONG STORY SHORT, I JUST GREW TIRED OF HUAWEI SENDING ME TO THE ONLINE CODE GENERATOR LINK THAT KEPT GIVING ME THE "YOU NEED A PHONE ACCOUNT" ERROR MESSAGE. SO I DID SOME RESEARCH AND STAYED UP TILL LIKE 430am EVEN THOUGH I HAD TO WORK THE FOLLOWING DAY AND CAME ACROSS THIS http://mate7.net/ascend-mate7-bootloader-unlock/
IT WORKED FOR ME AND I HOPE THAT IT WORKS FOR YOU TOO. EVEN THOUGH THE HAM 2 IS NOT LISTED, IT STILL WORKED FOR ME. NOW I'M UNLOCKED, ROOTED, AND ROCKIN' CM 12.1
***Once you generate the product id and navigate to the online tool, choose Chinese version (change language). It'll reroute you to Chinese version of the online tool. That one shouldn't ask for the phone account. That's the one I used. (just in case, I don't know Chinese, I used Google Translate)
ONLY FOLLOW INSTRUCTION ON GENERATING PRODUCT ID, AND GETTING BOOTLOADER UNLOCK CODE.
DESREGARD THE REST BECAUSE THEYRE SPECIFICALLY FOR MATE 7
This actually works guys and gals. I have subscribed to this thread for safe keeping at the moment. In addition, I can also vouch that the program used to gain a fake product ID works on Linux via Wine. I have rated this thread for 5 stars for sharing this valuable information.
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This actually works guys and gals. I have subscribed to this thread for safe keeping at the moment. In addition, I can also vouch that the program used to gain a fake product ID works on Linux via Wine. I have rated this thread for 5 stars for sharing this valuable information.
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You ready to rumble now? Lol getting the new laptop setup. Gonna be up all night despite myself....
I thought I saw someone say something Mate 7 and bootloader code related recently. Guess this was it.
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You ready to rumble now?
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Been ready lol. Still don't have my device yet (will most likely be tuesday given labor day on monday). Only verified this procedure through other devices and it worked on them all. It did not work for those that were sample devices. Mainly due to the imei/sn not being in the system which was to be expected.
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LONG STORY SHORT, I JUST GREW TIRED OF HUAWEI SENDING ME TO THE ONLINE CODE GENERATOR LINK THAT KEPT GIVING ME THE "YOU NEED A PHONE ACCOUNT" ERROR MESSAGE. SO I DID SOME RESEARCH AND STAYED UP TILL LIKE 430am EVEN THOUGH I HAD TO WORK THE FOLLOWING DAY AND CAME ACROSS THIS http://mate7.net/ascend-mate7-bootloader-unlock/
IT WORKED FOR ME AND I HOPE THAT IT WORKS FOR YOU TOO. EVEN THOUGH THE HAM 2 IS NOT LISTED, IT STILL WORKED FOR ME. NOW I'M UNLOCKED, ROOTED, AND ROCKIN' CM 12.1
ONLY FOLLOW INSTRUCTION ON GENERATING PRODUCT ID, AND GETTING BOOTLOADER UNLOCK CODE.
DESREGARD THE REST BECAUSE THEYRE SPECIFICALLY FOR MATE 7
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Great find!
tried it
faresbreech said:
LONG STORY SHORT, I JUST GREW TIRED OF HUAWEI SENDING ME TO THE ONLINE CODE GENERATOR LINK THAT KEPT GIVING ME THE "YOU NEED A PHONE ACCOUNT" ERROR MESSAGE. SO I DID SOME RESEARCH AND STAYED UP TILL LIKE 430am EVEN THOUGH I HAD TO WORK THE FOLLOWING DAY AND CAME ACROSS THIS http://mate7.net/ascend-mate7-bootloader-unlock/
IT WORKED FOR ME AND I HOPE THAT IT WORKS FOR YOU TOO. EVEN THOUGH THE HAM 2 IS NOT LISTED, IT STILL WORKED FOR ME. NOW I'M UNLOCKED, ROOTED, AND ROCKIN' CM 12.1
ONLY FOLLOW INSTRUCTION ON GENERATING PRODUCT ID, AND GETTING BOOTLOADER UNLOCK CODE.
DESREGARD THE REST BECAUSE THEYRE SPECIFICALLY FOR MATE 7
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it says I need a phone account and it's not working...any ideas???
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it says I need a phone account and it's not working...any ideas???
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Use email instead.
ginag said:
it says I need a phone account and it's not working...any ideas???
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Probably did it wrong.
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did it but still no go
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Use email instead.
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signed up for account and still said same thing. They are sure making us jump thru hoops. I did this a few years ago with Infuse 4g and naver had a problem. don't know what to do now...thanks for helping you guys.
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signed up for account and still said same thing. They are sure making us jump thru hoops. I did this a few years ago with Infuse 4g and naver had a problem. don't know what to do now...thanks for helping you guys.
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I can try it on my end and verify this if you are comfortable sending me a PM with your device info.
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@ginag has his code to unlock his bootloader now. Cheers!
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A heads up to everyone. The site will only allow you to request your boot loader unlock code twice every six months. So keep it safe once you get it.
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@ginag has his code to unlock his bootloader now. Cheers!
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A heads up to everyone. The site will only allow you to request your boot loader unlock code twice every six months. So keep it safe once you get it.
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Awesome news. Sucks about the usage limit though.
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***Once you generate the product id and navigate to the online tool, choose Chinese version (change language). It'll reroute you to Chinese version of the online tool. That one shouldn't ask for the phone account. That's the one I used. (just in case, I don't know Chinese, I used Google Translate)
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Oh, I think this must the reason, I remember I got that phone account only error sometimes and along with all different kinds of 404 errors. Huawei really make it tricky.
Thanks!!
I can't get it to work, I tried email registration and it says I need phone. I tried the CN site and it required registration, I'm stuck, any suggestions, what am I missing?
maybe try this
http://hwid5.vmall.com/oauth2/portal/regbymail.jsp
And following is the unlock URL
Chinese
http://www.emui.com/plugin.php?id=unlock
English
http://www.emui.com/en/plugin.php?id=unlock
Remember only use English page as translate(or use google translate), submit the final page using Chinese site. You may need re-visit URL after login.
Thanks for the valuable...
Thank you for the valuable info. I'm very new to all of this so I'm just taking notes. I too didn't realize what I was buying into AT ALL, so now I have to figure things out. I sure am glad you experts are out there and appreciate your hard work.
Thanks
Tamijams
xordos said:
And following is the unlock URL
Chinese
http://www.emui.com/plugin.php?id=unlock
English
http://www.emui.com/en/plugin.php?id=unlock
Remember only use English page as translate(or use google translate), submit the final page using Chinese site. You may need re-visit URL after login.
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I used this method yesterday and successfully got my unlock code! Thanks!
Like you said, just use the English site as a guide - it failed to give me an unlock code after numerous tries. The unlock code came from the Chinese site. And use model # HUAWEI Y300-0000 for both the product ID generator software and the unlock website, even though our HAM2 model # is different.
What's really crazy is on the English site, the link that says "How do I obtain the Product ID?" tells how to dial a sequence on our phones to get a product ID, but that product ID is not the same as what the product ID generator software provides.
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I used this method yesterday and successfully got my unlock code! Thanks!
Like you said, just use the English site as a guide - it failed to give me an unlock code after numerous tries. The unlock code came from the Chinese site. And use model # HUAWEI Y300-0000 for both the product ID generator software and the unlock website, even though our HAM2 model # is different.
What's really crazy is on the English site, the link that says "How do I obtain the Product ID?" tells how to dial a sequence on our phones to get a product ID, but that product ID is not the same as what the product ID generator software provides.
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Well.. It is huawei. Lol. Glad you got your unlock code. Several people were never able to.