Hey, so right now I'm currently using a galaxy nexus and thinking about switching back to the Evo, but one thing that I hate is how HTC partitions the storage. I love how on the nexus and gsiii your storage space is shared between apps, and the sdcard. Is there anyway to do that on the Evo, rather than having the 2GB app space, and 9 GB sdcard. I played with the vold.fstab file before but couldn't do too much, other then switching mounting points.
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lol so I guess not.
Nothing that we, as a forum, are aware of. The only thing that we can do is swap mount points like you said (make your SD card your "internal memory" and have apps store there) but there's no (current) way of re-partitioning the storage room.
Apps usually pretty small, and you can move most of them to the 9GB partition. I don't think there is much danger of running out of space even with the 2GB partition. Are you actually worried about running out of space for apps?
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Apps usually pretty small, and you can move most of them to the 9GB partition. I don't think there is much danger of running out of space even with the 2GB partition. Are you actually worried about running out of space for apps?
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Haha, no, I actually had the Evo LTE for about a month and even after downloading millions of apps, I still had 1 Gig left. I recently traded it for a Galaxy Nexus, which I noticed how the app space was formatted. However, when I guess when you break it down, it just comes down to having 16gb vs 32gb internal storage space. Lol, I don't know, I'm thinking about switching back the Evo, I wanted to try something different for a little while because all my android phones been HTC phones. I think the software on the Galaxy Nexus, along with development is the bomb, yet the camera and battery life sucks compared to the Evo, and no kickstand . Sorry, I digress lol.
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Haha, no, I actually had the Evo LTE for about a month and even after downloading millions of apps, I still had 1 Gig left. I recently traded it for a Galaxy Nexus, which I noticed how the app space was formatted. However, when I guess when you break it down, it just comes down to having 16gb vs 32gb internal storage space. Lol, I don't know, I'm thinking about switching back the Evo, I wanted to try something different for a little while because all my android phones been HTC phones. I think the software on the Galaxy Nexus, along with development is the bomb, yet the camera and battery life sucks compared to the Evo, and no kickstand . Sorry, I digress lol.
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I agree it would be nice if the app and data partitions are unified like on the Nexus 7, but in reality, it's not really a problem for 99.9% of the EvoLTE users.
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Haha, no, I actually had the Evo LTE for about a month and even after downloading millions of apps, I still had 1 Gig left. I recently traded it for a Galaxy Nexus, which I noticed how the app space was formatted. However, when I guess when you break it down, it just comes down to having 16gb vs 32gb internal storage space. Lol, I don't know, I'm thinking about switching back the Evo, I wanted to try something different for a little while because all my android phones been HTC phones. I think the software on the Galaxy Nexus, along with development is the bomb, yet the camera and battery life sucks compared to the Evo, and no kickstand . Sorry, I digress lol.
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And the performance
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And the performance
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Haha well the performance on the galaxy nexus isn't that bad, besides some lag with games like dead trigger and the annoying fact the 1080p videos can't play without skipping haha. But launcher wise much smoother than sense.
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Strange how VZW touts "40gb" space, but 5gb of usable space is missing. We all know that "40gb" is not truly 40gb, but the 8gb internal is really odd.
Where as the Droid X has about 7gb of space out of box, the TB has 2.5gb for app space and no accounting of the 5GB balance that should be left. The SD card correctly show 29.7gb, but the 8gb amiss.
Seems the TB has the mega ultimate record of gigabytes of bloatware that needs to be purged with a modded rom to free the space up. Will end up being app space, but free none the less.
Yes, there are a few games, but those should only take up a few hundred megs- not gigs. Unless Guitar Hero is doing it......
The 8gb they speak of is storage space built in to the phone.
Yep and it appears to be taken up by bloatware.
2.5gb space for apps- where is the 5gb balance? Rhetorical, since it is taken up by preinstalled junk (for the most part).
Point is the consumer does not even have the 37.5gb of usable space they should have with the TB and "40gb". Actual usable space is 32.5gb, courtesy of bloat.
I have been wondering about this... 5GB in bloatware is borderline irresponsible. Why the he'll do we want this much **** oh our phones? F that... I want it gone.
The main culprit is the VZW Navigator. The map for all of NA is stored there and that is a few gigs by it self. The second culprit is the Let's Golf app from Game Loft. Rock Band is not preinstalled on the phone that's downloaded as an .all on first run.
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Where are the VZ maps found?
Htc rep I spoke with at launch stated some space is bloat but there's more space for future proofing the phone. Androids OS keeps growing and htc wants the bolt to be able to update past gingerbread to ice cream and so on.
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Htc rep I spoke with at launch stated some space is bloat but there's more space for future proofing the phone. Androids OS keeps growing and htc wants the bolt to be able to update past gingerbread to ice cream and so on.
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That is hilarious... considering that 2.3.3 is less than 200MB. Sounds like an easy line of BS to sell though. I would be much more inclined to believe that a lot has been used up for VZ Navigator...
And what about the "768mb of ram". Where has that gone? If advanced task killer is accurate I have the same ram left over with no tasks running as my rooted incredible.
..not sure of that has to do with the rom on it.. I was using miui.
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I'd assume the internal has been partitioned using the SLC configuration (similar to the Vision)
More reading: http://tjworld.net/wiki/Android/HTC/EMMC/UnderstandingUserCapacity
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That is hilarious... considering that 2.3.3 is less than 200MB. Sounds like an easy line of BS to sell though. I would be much more inclined to believe that a lot has been used up for VZ Navigator...
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Does VZ NAvigator hold maps internally/locally on the phone? Even so, 5gb seems like an awful lot. CoPilot and Navigon for the whole US don't use more than a couple IIRC.
It must be something like that, though, because there's no way the apps themselves could use up so much space; I've got 150 apps on my Nexus S and it's only using 1/2 of its internal space.
This is my first VZW phone since a Palm Treo several years ago...the amount of bloatware (crapware IMO) is shocking.
As someone else mentioned, the "missing" space is taken up by the system partition(most likely for future updates, the same way an online video game says it requires X gbs on the hard drive when it only takes up Y gbs).
Download Root Explorer or any other app that will let you look at the system files and go into each folder. You'll see that there is a lot of empty space reserved for the system. And before anyone asks, no, its highly unlikely that the space can be reclaimed for storage. Greater minds than myself will have to explain why, but the short version of it is the internal eMMC can only be partitioned once. Finally, before someone starts hollering about false advertising, note that most places that talk about the storage capacity usually include an asterisk regarding the "formatted capacity" being less.
On the 768mb memory, lets keep in mind that the first thing that lays claim to the RAM is the system hardware. What does the Thunderbolt have that a Dinc doesn't? The LTE antenna.
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The thing is, there is no EMMC folder on the phone like there was on my Dinc. I like to have certain things on my phone versus my SD. When rooted, would it be as simple as just adding that EMMC folder in? Doubt it, but anyone know?
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Can we even access that? I remember on my Incredible I could access the internal memory by USB but that doesnt seem to be the case here
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I'm trying to make sense of the real difference between the EVO3D's 4GB of internal memory and the Photon/Within's supposed 16+ GB of internal memory.
Is this difference really something to be concerned/though about?
The way I see it, we have been running with 1 GB in most phones in recent history, and most of us just touch the limits of the memory with apps, etc. With the extra headroom of 4GB, I'm not sure there is too much concern for running out of app space (crosses fingers).
So, what is the rest of the memory for? Media? I understand that the internal memory might be faster, but SD cards have already been shown to be fast enough for most purposes (and I believe the Green Hornet comes on the SD card). IIRC, it was quite an anomaly to have the Nexus S store media and other files on the internal memory when it came out.
So, does the 4 GB concern, given the ability to get 32 GB on SD? Or is it a real advantage for the competitors?
It might have something to do with recording in 1080p or 3d . The internal would be faster to record to . Just my thought
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Anytime you write/read to internal its always going to be faster than reading from a SD card. This also holds true with your desktop. Reading from your DDR2/3 Memory will always be faster than reading from your SSD/HDD. I think this is where the above poster actually gives some credibility about his claims.
I don't see the big deal. 4Gb is a decent amount of internal. How many people are going to actually need 16gb of internal space? I'm sure someone will reply and tell me they need it for this and this but I'm sure a large percent will do just fine with 4gb. People do just fine with 1gb.
If you download a lot of games then yes go with the SGS or photon.
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If you download a lot of games then yes go with the SGS or photon.
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My thoughts as well. Funny though, isn't Qualcomm (HTC's chip provider) the one thats going to do a gaming pack?
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If you download a lot of games then yes go with the SGS or photon.
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even with 4-8 times the storage on those phones, they are only using 2x as much for app installation, correct? 1GB v 2GB?
I would rather have a 4gb internal and my 16gb class10 sd card then to have 10gn internal w/ no way to use a sd card with it, but then again I keep my 8gb card that came with the evo set up fully as a back-up card, i have a nandroid back-up and main files i use on my sd card set up on my 8gb cardd so all i have to do it restore and go if anything happens and I have to get a new phone.
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If you download a lot of games then yes go with the SGS or photon.
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If you are looking for a phone to do gaming on you should chose Samsung Within due to terga2 over a phone with larger internal storage
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If you are looking for a phone to do gaming on you should chose Samsung Within due to terga2 over a phone with larger internal storage
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It is not confirmed that the Within will have Tegra2, actually, it is highly likely it will have Exynos. The Photon is confirmed to have Tegra2. Also, the SGS2 is likely to have the highest amount of internal storage, with the Photon having the second largest.
I would have loved the 3D to have more internal storage but coming from the 4G it is still a considerable upgrade. Personally I never had an issue with the 1GB on the 4G so I don't consider the 3D's 4GB a liability.
The lower amount of storage on the 3D was probably a way to keep the final cost down given the other specs to make it affordable and I'm fine with that; $199 s a great price for what you get!
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I would have loved the 3D to have more internal storage but coming from the 4G it is still a considerable upgrade. Personally I never had an issue with the 1GB on the 4G so I don't consider the 3D's 4GB a liability.
The lower amount of storage on the 3D was probably a way to keep the final cost down given the other specs to make it affordable and I'm fine with that; $199 s a great price for what you get!
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I agree we are getting a lot of phone for the money..I thought the same thing with the 4g..now we get a processor that more than twice as fast and four times the internal memory..I don't use a lot of games but my SD card has atleast 10 Roms and 4 full nandroid backups andive never run out of memory..mof I have at least 2 gb left..and that's with stock sd
I suspect there will be far less than 4g actually usable..
I got a low memory error one time so I went thru and unistalled a bunch of stuff I never used. No problem since. And I could probably delete even more stuff.
even 4GB's isn't a whole lot, I always end up with the issue of running out of space on my evo, I switch roms constantly, so Apps to sd doesn't really work for me, I'm hoping I can get away with tons of games installed on just 4gbs.
4GB's of internal on the 3D will be plenty for me. Only recently have I started to have issues with running out of space on the EVO. Ended up just moving a bunch of apps to SD card and all is fine again.
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even 4GB's isn't a whole lot, I always end up with the issue of running out of space on my evo, I switch roms constantly, so Apps to sd doesn't really work for me, I'm hoping I can get away with tons of games installed on just 4gbs.
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the built in a2sd sucks for this, but the a2sd (like DarkTremmors) that allot of the guys put into their roms works very well with this. I got a 4gd ext3 partition on my sd for this and i NEVER run out of space to install apps (in fact i dont even use 1gb up w/ close to 200 apps)
I'm not going to complain as it is a 16-fold increase of storage for me. Mmm... increased internal storage...
Add my 16 gig sd card and I think I'm golden.
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more then enough. This is set aside for apps and OS I believe, and the photon will be the same. The internal space will be partitioned probably for apps and then most of it for storage.
4gb internal is more then enough.
I can see large storage making sense on devices like the nexus s 4g and iPhone because you have no option for an external form of storage but 16/32gb of storage on a device with a micro sd slot is a bit much. I'm not saying they shouldn't make phones with that much, the more the better but I just don't think you need that much. I think 4gb is enough to last us until we upgrade next year.
For the people who plan on having this phone for a second year the internal storage may become an issue in 12-18 months. Next years gen of phones will bring bigger apps, bigger files.
I'm going to be upgrading on AT&T soon and am looking at the phone market closely. I'm in-between the LGOG and the HTC OneX+. I have a couple of questions.
1. How similar is the LGOG to the Nexus 4?
If they are slightly similar, could N4 roms be easily ported?
2. Does it look like dev support is going to be good.
3. Do you feel this phone is future proof? At lease for 2+ years.
My captivate is still kicking thanks to the wonderful devs. It is truly amazing what they have done. If the same will be true for this device it's a
no-brainer.
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I'm going to be upgrading on AT&T soon and am looking at the phone market closely. I'm in-between the LGOG and the HTC OneX+. I have a couple of questions.
1. How similar is the LGOG to the Nexus 4?
If they are slightly similar, could N4 roms be easily ported?
2. Does it look like dev support is going to be good.
3. Do you feel this phone is future proof? At lease for 2+ years.
My captivate is still kicking thanks to the wonderful devs. It is truly amazing what they have done. If the same will be true for this device it's a
no-brainer.
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1. Very similar, almost the same phone. According to the guys in chat once the kinks are worked out n4 roms will be easily portable.
2. Rooted and unlocked this fast. N4 ports... Probably.
3. It's basically got everything a new phone could possibly have. Nothing on the market touches it... That said no way of knowing if devs will stay. I just moved from a captivate also. It stayed alive that long because of the i9000 devs. This will probably last even longer being so close to the n4.
All my opinion of coarse..
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1. Very similar, almost the same phone. According to the guys in chat once the kinks are worked out n4 roms will be easily portable.
2. Rooted and unlocked this fast. N4 ports... Probably.
3. It's basically got everything a new phone could possibly have. Nothing on the market touches it... That said no way of knowing if devs will stay. I just moved from a captivate also. It stayed alive that long because of the i9000 devs. This will probably last even longer being so close to the n4.
All my opinion of coarse..
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Thanks I just order it cause I saw ten minutes ago bestbuy raised the price back up to $199. I ordered it on amazon before they too raise the price. For $99 it was too good to pass up. And I'm really hoping this device is as great as the cappy was. However, just stock looks pretty good. LG did a great job of implementing some most wanted features in stock. Fingers-crossed for CM10.1!!
I'm also on the fence between the OG and OneX+. I really thought I wanted a N4, but this phone seems to be better, especially with the sd slot. I've got two more weeks before I can upgrade, but I'm leaning towards the OG over the HTC, it seems more future proof.
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I'm also on the fence between the OG and OneX+. I really thought I wanted a N4, but this phone seems to be better, especially with the sd slot. I've got two more weeks before I can upgrade, but I'm leaning towards the OG over the HTC, it seems more future proof.
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I played with both and the OG had a much nicer screen. Also, the OneX+ doesn't have a menu button and I noticed on some apps there was a really big on-screen menu button that was ugly.
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Definitely better than the one x+, the snapdragon s4 pro on the Optimus G smokes the Tegra 4 in one x+. Everything is buttery smooth on Optimus even with ics. One x+ is having jellybean but sense still lags. The only thing which is awesome on the one x+ is the display and camera. But Optimus is very close on both those department as well. If you are looking future proof for a while like 6 months to 1 year the Optimus G is not a bad option. One X+ SOC is already old.
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Another question: Does the phone come with 16GBs internal or 32GBs internal?
There is a lot of mixed answers. Att had the phone listed as 32 but expandable to 80Gb (with a 64gb SD card). Amazon list it as 16 but comes with a 16 micro SD card.
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Another question: Does the phone come with 16GBs internal or 32GBs internal?
There is a lot of mixed answers. Att had the phone listed as 32 but expandable to 80Gb (with a 64gb SD card). Amazon list it as 16 but comes with a 16 micro SD card.
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The AT&T version comes with 16 GB of on-board storage and a 16 GB micro SD card so it Does comes with 32 GB out of the box. But, you can replace the micro SD card with one up to 64 GB and increase your storage. Now the Sprint and International versions both have 32 GB of built in storage, but no micro SD slot to expand it.
Hope that helps.
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The AT&T version comes with 16 GB of on-board storage and a 16 GB micro SD card so it Does comes with 32 GB out of the box. But, you can replace the micro SD card with one up to 64 GB and increase your storage. Now the Sprint and International versions both have 32 GB of built in storage, but no micro SD slot to expand it.
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Thanks. Still so worth it just for the expandable option. I have a 64 GB sdcard just waiting. I have a gnex right now, love the fast updates, hate being held back by storage.
One of the devs should look into a storage swap script. On my tab, I use a SD swap script that make the internal the external and the external the internal. Works great for all those large games that get installed on the internal memory.
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I broke down and called AT&T this morning about upgrading me a couple weeks early. "You've been a loyal customer...blah, blah, blah...., no problem, we'll get it send out tomorrow." So with the overnight shipping option, I should have my LGOG by Tuesday...can't wait. I did miss the $99 deal, so I had to shell out the full $199, but since a couple weeks ago I tried my hardest to get google to take $349 from me for a 16GB N4, I guess I still saved a good bit.
Thanks for everyone's input...looking forward to seeing what we can make this thing do.
Hey everyone, I've encountered a little nuisance with my HTC One.
Under Storage the phone claims around 7GB is in use under "Other". However, when I plug the device into my computer via USB, I can't find any directories that are taking up this amount of space using Windows Explorer or Android Commander, which lets me down into the root of the filesystem.
FYI, I have Nova Launcher active as my primary UI, so I'm not even using Sense 5 at the moment. I know that 7GB can't just be Sense 5 + Built-in apps.
Anyone else seeing this and know what it is?
It actually probably is just Sense 5 and the AT&T bloat apps. Apparently Android along with the manufacturer's skins are pretty large now. Then add AT&T's useless apps that literally no one uses and you have 7gbs of storage being consumed. This is one of the reasons I'm going with the 64gb.
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its the system partition and you cant do anything about it. mine is 16 GB.
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its the system partition and you cant do anything about it. mine is 16 GB.
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Wow, that's crap. What exactly is that being used for? There's no way 16gbs of space is reasonable at all.
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That's asinine that it reserves that much storage... Completely inexcusable when you factor in the lack of an SD card. Epic fail.
I think HTC realized that since they are releasing the Chinese version WITH microSD support... >_<
At least they aren't pulling the crap they used to - like with the Inspire - saying it had 4GB of storage but then formatting it for speed, dropping it to 2GB and leaving 1.3GB or so to the end user...
Still what the hell would they reserve a quarter of the storage for?!
im guessing the extra 9 GB that are part of my "other" are the SD card data for some of the apps i have installed. but it still seems excessive.
Ugh, now we're seeing the ugly side of the HTC One. I don't think I'm going to keep mine now. I can't justify 7GB of my 32GB taken up by the system when I don't even use Sense 5 or any of the AT&T apps. Especially since I can't add more space to the phone, it's just not a good deal for me.
It's a shame too, it's a sexy device.
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Ugh, now we're seeing the ugly side of the HTC One. I don't think I'm going to keep mine now. I can't justify 7GB of my 32GB taken up by the system when I don't even use Sense 5 or any of the AT&T apps. Especially since I can't add more space to the phone, it's just not a good deal for me.
It's a shame too, it's a sexy device.
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It's pretty common, honestly. The S4 also has around 7gbs of storage used.
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It's pretty common, honestly. The S4 also has around 7gbs of storage used.
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Yeah, but at least you can add an SD card to the phone to get some of that back.
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Yeah, but at least you can add an SD card to the phone to get some of that back.
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Yeah but have fun finding one that isn't a 16gb version. I played with both phones today. The HTC One is superior in almost every area. I wouldn't really consider the S4.
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Yeah but have fun finding one that isn't a 16gb version. I played with both phones today. The HTC One is superior in almost every area. I wouldn't really consider the S4.
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Agreed :good:
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Yeah but have fun finding one that isn't a 16gb version. I played with both phones today. The HTC One is superior in almost every area. I wouldn't really consider the S4.
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I'm curious, how is the HTC One superior?
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I'm curious, how is the HTC One superior?
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Camera, screen, speakers, CPU......
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spectrumfox said:
I'm curious, how is the HTC One superior?
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Ok. Take in mind that this is from someone who was dead set on getting the S4 only a week ago. I also want to add that my non-tech-savvy iPhone-using mother was with me at the AT&T store while I was comparing phones and also agreed that the One is better.
1. The screen is smaller on the One but it has better color reproduction and, when playing the trailer for 'Star Trek Into Darkness' on both devices, produced clearer results.
2. The One's software is much more optimized and runs smoother than that on the S4. In my half an hour of constant use with both devices, the One maybe had three instances of minor lag while the S4 produced lag (sometimes major lag) every few seconds. The S4's lag was most prominent when multitasking, hitting the back button, or going home. Switching between home screens produced some stuttering but was not terrible.
3. Speaking of software, the "features" on the S4 aren't that great. Probably the most difficult thing about using the S4 was trying out the Smart features. Many of them were pretty useless such as scrolling through web pages with hand gestures. However, it did actually work and work pretty well. I also really liked having the ability to answer the phone by waving in front of the phone and seeing some general information displayed on the phone after waving my hand in front of it while it was sleeping. But that's about as useful as it gets. I could never get Eye Tracking to work. Some kid beside me finally did after nearly a minute and a half of working with it which completely defeats the purpose of using it in the first place. None of the other features really worked well either making me wonder why Samsung decided to add them to the device and bog it down in the first place.
4. Build materials are pretty bland on the S4. I'm not going to criticize them for using plastic because plastic is durable enough, but I am going to criticize them for not really differentiating the phone from the S3 in terms of look. I was, however, impressed with how they implemented the 5" screen into such a compact and usable package, but that's about it. The S4 is no looker. My mom was also not a fan of the design, thinking at first that the hyper glazed finish was some sort of case and not the actual design.
5. Sound quality through the headphones was good on both devices but better on the One due to its added amplifier. The S4 had definitely improved over the S3 and maintained a pretty loud volume. The One was slightly louder and produced more dynamic results with great highs and lows. The average person would be happy with the sound quality from either, though.
6. The general Android apps such as Texting and Email are hardly changed on the S4. For some users, this will be fine. But, personally, I hate the stock Android Messaging app. I have a Nexus 4 and have used GoSMS since the day I purchased it. I don't understand why anyone would want to view a multiple picture MMS like a slideshow instead of each photo separately. Thankfully, the One does exactly that and has a rather perfect Messaging app. Of course, you can always download GoSMS or Handcent or something from the Play store, but the fact that this won't be necessary on the One is nice.
7. This is picky, but I really liked the One's keyboard. Like, a lot. I've been a stock Android keyboard user since ICS and I didn't think that choice would change with the purchase of any new phone. But the keyboard on the One is nice. Really nice. I almost never made mistakes on the keyboard when using it. On the S4, I couldn't stop making mistakes. If you're just going to use SwiftKey or the stock Android keyboard, this probably isn't a huge deal to you. But I found it shocking that I loved the One's keyboard.
So, yeah. This is a huge post but those are my honest opinions. I was as subjective as I possibly could be and my honest opinion is that the One is the better phone.
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The storage space being reflected in Other is from App Data.
HTC's storage doesn't give the user a run-down of the apps that are classified as Other when you select Other.
If I go to Storage on my Galaxy Note 10.1, and push Other (on the Galaxy Note 10.1, it is classified as Miscellaneous Files), I am given a run-down of the all of the app data that is classified as Other/Miscellaneous.
The Galaxy S3 (which I switched from to get The One) has it's storage implemented in the same way on the stock ROM.
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Exactly, specifically the /data/data folder.
Whoever said it's the system partition is incorrect.
BTW, when you buy a 32GB device, that means 32GB total NAND storage. On the One it's broken down like this:
/system 1GB
/cache 629MB
/data and /sdcard (share the same partition) 22GB, or 54GB on a 64GB model.
The rest goes to modems (/firmware/mdm and /firmware/q6), secure (/data/secure/data and /mnt/asec), and miscellaneous other partitions (logs, etc.)
Every device on the market is this way, the total NAND space is divided up between a variety of things and the usable /data and /sdcard space is generally 80 to 85% of the total.
It's not supposed to be like that. I've had that issue a few times on my 32gb M7. Copied my files to PC. Formatted my SD card. Copied files back. Reclaimed about 14gb each time as far as I can remember. Then after a few weeks, the issue comes back out of nowhere.
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It's not supposed to be like that. I've had that issue a few times on my 32gb M7. Copied my files to PC. Formatted my SD card. Copied files back. Reclaimed about 14gb each time as far as I can remember. Then after a few weeks, the issue comes back out of nowhere.
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Yeah, I'm the same only 7gb though. Using TWRP I make a backup on my usb-otg. Wiped everything internal and restored from usb. Worked once or twice, didn't work today though. Probably is just system files.
I currently have the Incredible 4G LTE Nd love but I need a bigger screen... I debated between both those phones... I know the HTC One comes out in the summer for us and the s4 will only be 16gb ... Is their a mod to put apps on the sd card since the s4 is limited... I know they coming with an update but we all know Verizon is bad with updates..
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I had the HTC One before the S4 that I have now. All I will say is that as soon as the One drops on Verizon, I will be switching back. I test phones on a daily basis and the One is the best phone I've used to date. You won't be disappointed with either, but I prefer the One. Sense is much better than Touchwiz now IMO and the build quality and audio can't be beat. I prefer the screen on the One also
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I didn't buy the ONE (or wait for it) because of the reviews. You might like the HTC ONE based on if you want metal build, smaller screen (equals 468 ppi to 441 ppi in S4 slightly sharper text) and the BOOM sound (front facing speakers). With no SD expansion or removable battery, that was a deal killer for me. S4 has better specs and is already made for the AWS network for Verizon (faster LTE speeds). Also, HTC is by far the worst EVER of getting updates out for their phones (yes, even worse then Motorola at their worst)
for me S4 was the no brainer deal for me
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I currently have the Incredible 4G LTE Nd love but I need a bigger screen... I debated between both those phones... I know the HTC One comes out in the summer for us and the s4 will only be 16gb ... Is their a mod to put apps on the sd card since the s4 is limited... I know they coming with an update but we all know Verizon is bad with updates..
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If you will be rooting, the only thing the One would have over the S4 is BoomSound and a nicer case. Being unable to swap SD cards or batteries would bug me. If all you need is a bigger screen and you can wait, why not wait a few more months for a Note 3 or One Max?
I had an Evo 4G before the S4 (I never rooted it), so I've got nothing against HTC. HTC doesn't seem to offer (read, foist on you) the suite of apps Samsung does. Samsung seems to be trying to push their content store to compete with Google Play, so I hope future updates don't add tons of bloat related to the Samsung app store...
I find the storage argument quite invalid. Internal storage comparison: 32gb on the One vs ~9 on the S4. I know that the S4 has expandable storage, but that only helps in terms of media (stuff that can be stored on the cloud anyways), not apps. Also, the One will no doubt be equipped with AWS technology, so that argument is invalid too if we are comparing Verizon phones. No removable battery but it makes it through a day of heavy use no problem.
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Not a fan of HTC anymore. I had all the EVOs.
I'd take the S4 all day long over the One. Just a matter of personal preference.
Doesnt HTC take a lonnnnnnng ass time or never to release source? While Samsung does it on day 1, yea good luck with HTC and the handicapped Roms for it.
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I find the storage argument quite invalid. Internal storage comparison: 32gb on the One vs ~9 on the S4. I know that the S4 has expandable storage, but that only helps in terms of media (stuff that can be stored on the cloud anyways), not apps. Also, the One will no doubt be equipped with AWS technology, so that argument is invalid too if we are comparing Verizon phones. No removable battery but it makes it through a day of heavy use no problem.
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The firmware update that allows apps to be moved to SD card makes your invalid argument invalid again.
I pick the S4 for the reasons stated. No expandable memory, no removable battery, HTC has garbage update schedules, and weaker specs.
But that would require root, something the common user might not choose to do. And S4 users are currently unable to move apps to the SD card
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It all boils down to preference. Most people want good battery life and cool apps or software. I've used both and when the One releases on Verizon I will have both and use both,
... But to answer the question I will use the S4 more since the battery does last a bit longer and it can do some pretty cool stuff, but most of all I believe there will be more customization on the S4. Lord knows I am a customization fool,. Cheers!!!
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I find the storage argument quite invalid. Internal storage comparison: 32gb on the One vs ~9 on the S4. I know that the S4 has expandable storage, but that only helps in terms of media (stuff that can be stored on the cloud anyways), not apps. Also, the One will no doubt be equipped with AWS technology, so that argument is invalid too if we are comparing Verizon phones. No removable battery but it makes it through a day of heavy use no problem.
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This is certainly important if you do not want to root the S4. I bet there will be root apps that can redirect app installations to the SD card, if they don't already exist. And Samsung will probably get native full external card installation working eventually. Or they're going to see sales drop off as more and more people bump up against that limit, and scramble to fix it. Why they didn't do this in first place is beyond me - especially with such a small built-in card. Either they wanted to sell more of their own SD cards, they wanted an excuse to charge heaps more for just a little more memory, or Apple sued them into not doing it.
And batteries get old. It might need replacing. Sometimes.
I used to be a diehard htc fan since the original evo but after the one was put on hold, and the poor development and official htc support for the rezound, I doubt I'll go back. I will miss htc but they dropped the ball far too many times and I know it will happen again (maybe not for their current devices) even though they cannot afford to screw anything else up. So bottom line, do you want a pretty phone with nice sound and a slightly, yet not noticeably better screen? Or do you want a larger screen, insane amount of dev and Samsung support for years to come, and removable battery and storage?
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I find the storage argument quite invalid. Internal storage comparison: 32gb on the One vs ~9 on the S4. I know that the S4 has expandable storage, but that only helps in terms of media (stuff that can be stored on the cloud anyways), not apps. Also, the One will no doubt be equipped with AWS technology, so that argument is invalid too if we are comparing Verizon phones. No removable battery but it makes it through a day of heavy use no problem.
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First of all, I apologize if it seems like we are "ganging" up on you - after all, the question at hand is a fundamental example of free choice and personal preference. With that said, I did want to make one (yet to be made) point specifically pertaining to your (above) comment on validity.
You mentioned that, in your mind, one of the factors that makes the removable storage on the S4 irrelevant is cloud storage - something that the major carriers frequently, if not enthusiastically offer up as a must-have storage solution. Cloud storage really is great, especially as their capacities increase, security strengthens, and prices drop. However there is one major, often overlooked problem with using cloud storage on your cellular device - DATA. Many (many) Verizon subscribers that have managed to hold on to unlimited data (myself) find themselves playing a game of "chicken" every time they want a new device. There's only so many tricks and hoops you can jump through to keep your unlimited data - just ask the countless hordes who've recently reached their "end of the road" in terms of unlimited data (Tip: These sad-sacks are easy to spot - just look for the gently sobbing individuals solemnly mashing their "Scan For Available WiFi Networks" button), The point is, last I checked; you need some sort of internet/data connection to peruse the "Cloud" - this is all well and fine if you're still rocking "Data God Mode", but wouldn't it make you feel a whole lot better if you knew all that cherished media you spent years collecting was ALWAYS available to you? I sleep better knowing all my Seinfeld episodes are safely at hand in my Samsung 64gb Class 10 MicroSD Card.
But all kidding aside - having to rely on cloud-based storage for your files is a great way to experience full blown anxiety and frustration first hand, believe me.
To the original poster: I'm bias. Why am I bias? Because my first-ever Android smartphone was the OG HTC Droid Incredible - after a year of countless "like-new!" replacements, I bought the Droid X and swore off HTC .... However ...Stupidly, the excitement over the HTC Thunderbolt being Verizon's first 4G device was far too tempting for me and I bought the damn thing. It took almost two whole years for HTC & Verizon to update the Thunderbolt to ICE CREAM SANDWICH, despite having been released AFTER the first ICS devices were already out. Sadly, I never got to see that wonderful update on my T'Bolt ..... you see, six months (and several rage induced ulsters) after buying my T'Bolt I threw the damn thing accidentally dropped it over the North Rim of the Grand Canyon. Too bad. Never again, HTC.
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But that would require root, something the common user might not choose to do. And S4 users are currently unable to move apps to the SD card
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No, the update that is coming out will not require root. It's an OTA update that lets you move apps to the SD card again.
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First of all, I apologize if it seems like we are "ganging" up on you - after all, the question at hand is a fundamental example of free choice and personal preference. With that said, I did want to make one (yet to be made) point specifically pertaining to your (above) comment on validity.
You mentioned that, in your mind, one of the factors that makes the removable storage on the S4 irrelevant is cloud storage - something that the major carriers frequently, if not enthusiastically offer up as a must-have storage solution. Cloud storage really is great, especially as their capacities increase, security strengthens, and prices drop. However there is one major, often overlooked problem with using cloud storage on your cellular device - DATA. Many (many) Verizon subscribers that have managed to hold on to unlimited data (myself) find themselves playing a game of "chicken" every time they want a new device. There's only so many tricks and hoops you can jump through to keep your unlimited data - just ask the countless hordes who've recently reached their "end of the road" in terms of unlimited data (Tip: These sad-sacks are easy to spot - just look for the gently sobbing individuals solemnly mashing their "Scan For Available WiFi Networks" button), The point is, last I checked; you need some sort of internet/data connection to peruse the "Cloud" - this is all well and fine if you're still rocking "Data God Mode", but wouldn't it make you feel a whole lot better if you knew all that cherished media you spent years collecting was ALWAYS available to you? I sleep better knowing all my Seinfeld episodes are safely at hand in my Samsung 64gb Class 10 MicroSD Card.
But all kidding aside - having to rely on cloud-based storage for your files is a great way to experience full blown anxiety and frustration first hand, believe me.
To the original poster: I'm bias. Why am I bias? Because my first-ever Android smartphone was the OG HTC Droid Incredible - after a year of countless "like-new!" replacements, I bought the Droid X and swore off HTC .... However ...Stupidly, the excitement over the HTC Thunderbolt being Verizon's first 4G device was far too tempting for me and I bought the damn thing. It took almost two whole years for HTC & Verizon to update the Thunderbolt to ICE CREAM SANDWICH, despite having been released AFTER the first ICS devices were already out. Sadly, I never got to see that wonderful update on my T'Bolt ..... you see, six months (and several rage induced ulsters) after buying my T'Bolt I threw the damn thing accidentally dropped it over the North Rim of the Grand Canyon. Too bad. Never again, HTC.
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Thunderbolt was released in March of 2011. The first ICS device was the Galaxy Nexus which was released November 2011. Does not invalidate your point, though. I was a 'bolt owner, too. It was out for about six months before viable LTE phones were releases (Rezound, Bionic), and even those were not all that great. It got truly usable when Liquid 3.2 was released for AOSP and SkyRaider Zeus was released for Sense. Those were a LONG time after the phone was released, though.
I view it as an early adopter thing, not an HTC thing. We are going to experience the same thing with AWS. Odds are this phone will suck for AWS...the hardware is too far out in front of the service release...no way there won't be issues that are patched around, etc.
S-off will really help get the dev work going on the One. I think it is a perfectly viable alternative to this phone really. Just a different flavor. I have never had a Samsung phone so for me, that was part of the appeal...something different.
if you really want screen size and don't mind the wait, the note 3 will be coming out this fall. 6" with 8 cores - though i don't think it's been confirmed. i'd like to get one, but the note 2's 5.5 inches is kinda pushing it for me, and i have preferred that the s4 to be 16:10 instead.
YouTube benchmarks on comparisons... You may be surprised how much slower HTC one is.
If you don't like touch wiz, there's lots of options... I use nova launcher on cube mode and love it.
While many defend it, sense does eat up processor attention.
Main advantage with HTC is reading in bright sunlight, 95 percent of my reading is indoors, metal case is nice.
I like options for different batteries, external memory, better camera, better software.... To each his own but benchmarks alone mean little if those benchmarks don't depict real life use.
If you love the best camera you can get, go S4, if you listen to music through speakers then HTC, if through headphones S4 has nice equalizing software.
I personally feel real life pictures can be boring.. I like high saturation of Hd amoled screen.
The Hd mode on the camera makes a perfect picture in crappy lighting!
The S3 has up to a 7000mah battery avail, not sure what they will come up with for the S4 but I don't like bring limited. http://zerolemon.com/
Anyway, each phone is nice, but they both have things the other doesn't.
Alan.. Sent with Galaxy S4
I own both and really like both. However, if I had to choose only one, it would be the S IV.
The main reason is battery life and how long the One takes to charge.
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if you really want screen size and don't mind the wait, the note 3 will be coming out this fall. 6" with 8 cores - though i don't think it's been confirmed. i'd like to get one, but the note 2's 5.5 inches is kinda pushing it for me, and i have preferred that the s4 to be 16:10 instead.
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Yea, that note 3 I have my eye on!
Alan.. Sent with Galaxy S4