as title ^^
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as title ^^
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How can someone add developers to a phone? Xda isn't a company that has developers that get paid to make custom roms and kernels. Developers here are all volunteers. They don't get paid for what they do. They develop for phones they have.
Show some respect.
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How can someone add developers to a phone? Xda isn't a company that has developers that get paid to make custom roms and kernels. Developers here are all volunteers. They don't get paid for what they do. They develop for phones they have.
Show some respect.
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Same think with me bro!
Show some respect
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how i know : (
jsel said:
How can someone add developers to a phone? Xda isn't a company that has developers that get paid to make custom roms and kernels. Developers here are all volunteers. They don't get paid for what they do. They develop for phones they have.
Show some respect.
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Idk about it. I'm new to here. And btw, I meant to ask the genius users of Xperia U to develop the rom...
garykhx said:
Idk about it. I'm new to here. And btw, I meant to ask the genius users of Xperia U to develop the rom...
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you will have to wait its still a new phone even unlocking the phones sim lock hasnt been out long and is only possible through SETools.
give it a while and once ICS is out and the devs get hold of the phone it will happen, altho we have to wait for ICS 1st!!! lol
Once it has ICS you may see more devs. Problem is the phone isnt widely available for free on all carriers and it isnt the flagship model. Most lowend phones receive less dev support.
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as title ^^
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Casually I'm carrying 5 experienced Xperia U developers in my pocket. I've dropped them in the U development forum for your pleasure. I hope I've helped you
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Don't drop them from too high, they might get hurt and then they'd be useless
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Once it has ICS you may see more devs. Problem is the phone isnt widely available for free on all carriers and it isnt the flagship model. Most lowend phones receive less dev support.
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I'd say that it has to do primarily with sales, not with the status of the phone as high or low end. The Xperia Play was a mid-high end when it came out, and it didn't have a huge community since it sold poorly. The HTC Wildfire and Xperia X8 were thought as mid-low end or low end models and they still have a following: they sold decently well. One has to take into account other factors as well: whether the bootloader is locked or unlocked (this basically blows Motorola out of the water), whether the company is overall hostile or friendly towards devs (Sony has made huge strides to please them, which has shown nice results), the difficulty of making ROMs themselves (Chinese companies have tablets which are easily hackable, but they tend not to publish source code)...
Related
I have been a regular user for a long time here and I don't like what I see and read here the last weeks.
Users being disrespectfull,demanding etc. And why?
People are working hard on the things they like to do most: hacking, porting, developing. But the reactions some get...
We have rules here at XDA,but some things are also just common sense.
Please show that you know how to behave and it will be more fun again for all of us.
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I am also regular at this site everyday. But, some noobs just want the dev's to get out of this community.
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I am also regular at this site everyday. But, some noobs just want the dev's to get out of this community.
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They are gonna enjoy when all of us will be moving to other devices. Arjen already bought S3
I'm going too.
Adam is going for nexus 7, soon enough
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They are gonna enjoy when all of us will be moving to other devices. Arjen already bought S3
I'm going too.
Adam is going for nexus 7, soon enough
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Its true they say. one bad fish spoils the entire pond
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Its true they say. one bad fish spoils the entire pond
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Yes, but there ain't any one single N00B fish in the O1 pond. There are many
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I have been a regular user for a long time here and I don't like what I see and read here the last weeks.
Users being disrespectfull,demanding etc. And why?
People are working hard on the things they like to do most: hacking, porting, developing. But the reactions some get...
We have rules here at XDA,but some things are also just common sense.
Please show that you know how to behave and it will be more fun again for all of us.
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Completely aggree.
The main problem (just my point of view) is that those "noobs" ignore any compents (if I think on hephappy's thread) and think they know everything.
And because they don't work on there own project, they don't know how much work (all in the free time of the devs) has to be done.
Don't worry
Don't worry!
My roms are available via Rom Manager.
Rom manager -> Download rom -> hephappy -> Select rom
No more xda = no more noobs...
Rom manager note:
ROM hosting is free. ROMs hosted via ROM Manager Developer Portal will be listed
in the free section 5 days of the week. The other 2 days of the week, it will be
listed in the premium section. The days may vary from developer to developer
so not all developers are in the premium section at the same time.
Woohoo okkayyy
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Don't worry!
My roms are available via Rom Manager.
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Thanks Hep...
I do not have ROM Manager on my phone till now, but will use it - only to be connected to your ROM updates !
don't know about others but I appreciate your hard work and will continue to do so no matter what
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I have been a regular user for a long time here and I don't like what I see and read here the last weeks.
Users being disrespectfull,demanding etc. And why?
People are working hard on the things they like to do most: hacking, porting, developing. But the reactions some get...
We have rules here at XDA,but some things are also just common sense.
Please show that you know how to behave and it will be more fun again for all of us.
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Well you are complety right im a xda user for almost 2 years and this setion was fun thanks to devs. and users but in the last 2 months appears so many new people ho now everything altouhg im not a dev and only start about 2 days learning how to modify well you guys have all credit from yesterday i build JB just for learning propuses and that gave me an ideai of what you guys do for free but noobs keep sayng others phones why ours dont lol just lol what i think is more worst is that they dont read first before postimg stupid stuff android its not made only for p500 and android versions evolve like the new phones evolve if we want new stuff we need other phone we cant push more for this awseome device that was my first android device and thanks to this comunity open source now i have 3 diferent devices of course we cant buy what we want whenever we want but noobs have to learn how to trust devs. if they say this is impossible to rum thats because its RESPECT TO M.A.C. TEAM AND ALL OTHERS THAT ONLY GEEKS THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING I LEARN AND AM LEARNING ABOUT ANDROID IN A GENERAL WAY.
.spcealy arjen ho already give me tipes and with them i put CM9 working in my tablet thanks a lot.
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You are all free to go but your attitude is kind of disgusting. Noobs you say? I bet you are noob also if I speak of something you don't know. Learn to respect everyone before pretending to be respected... And by the way, I can say that EVERYONE showed A LOT of gratitude for the hard work of you developers and LOVE you.
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You are all free to go but your attitude is kind of disgusting. Noobs you say? I bet you are noob also if I speak of something you don't know. Learn to respect everyone before pretending to be respected... And by the way, I can say that EVERYONE showed A LOT of gratitude for the hard work of you developers and LOVE you.
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I kinda agree here, developers get all the respect, praise and following but they get bossy and abusive at times. Evrerybody likes to have good ROMs but not at the price of self respect I guess.
Everybody has a noob stage in life or maybe someone who you call noob at XDA might be a scholar in his field so XDA is not the end of the world. The best way to treat somebody who you dont like is to 'ignore'.
If a dev has 500 fans and 50 of them are ignorant noobs, even then its not a bad deal.
MORAL: Everybody start giving respect, dont be short tempered, value devs work and try to ignore if thats the only option.
Cheers!
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I kinda agree here, developers get all the respect, praise and following but they get bossy and abusive at times. Evrerybody likes to have good ROMs but not at the price of self respect I guess.
Everybody has a noob stage in life or maybe someone who you call noob at XDA might be a scholar in his field so XDA is not the end of the world. The best way to treat somebody who you dont like is to 'ignore'.
If a dev has 500 fans and 50 of them are ignorant noobs, even then its not a bad deal.
MORAL: Everybody start giving respect, dont be short tempered, value devs work and try to ignore if thats the only option.
Cheers!
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Everybody is a "noob" at one time.Lot of people think they are the boss and call others noobs, but that pretty much wont last long.I ain't a developer but love all the developing works in here.Its really obvious from the thank meters of great devs, how much respected they are in this community.
Not anybody is born really intelligent and talented.
Everybody learn something from others and improve it.That is how the system works.
Everybody has their own field which they are perfect at.In that field, the "bosses" in here could be noobs.
I think everybody should learn to respect others to gain respect.
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Lots of ego stuff, from both sides
Me too,going to get sgs2.
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100% Noob for Reason and Courtesy
I have been a professional developer but for internals and ROMs, I am 100% "Noob." Most of what I see on this little thread is much less than helpful. Enough already.
Anyone who read my posts would see that my tone does not fit the stereotype be harangued here. I do not use the F word, the S word, make ridiculous claims and demands of more experienced (fantastic!) "Devs." Any suggestions I make are with respect and humility. Maybe the ideas will pan out, maybe not.
If I do not have CM10 on this old phone, I am delighted with ICS. (Indeed, Google Now will soon enough work here without JB, a matter of time and ingenuity.) I do hope JB (or as I have termed in more realistically "Jelly-Sandwich") will work on the phone, but there are other things in life. I did not enter XDA for all the negativity and tension. Friendship and respect are more important the ROMs and tweaks.
I dont read p500 so munch like old time, im have buy new device and i busy with that, but this problem has rolling day by day, even before arjen and adam start developing here, it has make alot of casualties like andy, doctornotor, etc..
What you expect from from developer?
Their ideas, their works, their time, so i think they must have bigger egos than me, im just a Leacher... Just download and give feedbacks if you like their works, or leave it like that if you hate he/his works. No need flaming, another person have their glasses and viewpoint.
Xda is made for us. we here for our needs, even every devices will death development, we just try make as long as we can, and flaming is not the way to make our beloved p500 ageless like htc hero...
Thx for all developers That i known for 1.5years till now day in this section... GBU.
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Arjen, I shall call franco here
He was the most obsessed by noob questions
You believe that a kernel dev recieved PMs regarding how to flash kernels. Lol
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Arjen, can I request you to close this thread? I could understand your good intentions behind starting this thread but this is going totally in a different direction. I hope all of you agree with me that tit for tat attitude is not good for anybody. Its high time that we stop all this and come to normal mode, cooperate and make this community a great place to do better things.
Is the only thing that is stopping development the locked bootloader?
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Is the only thing that is stopping development the locked bootloader?
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I think so... But I would not say it is the "only" thing, I would say it is THE THING
Thank you! It's about time I got an answer from someone... Looks like I got a piece of hardware with a near dead community
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Thank you! It's about time I got an answer from someone... Looks like I got a piece of hardware with a near dead community
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Yeah, Sony is to blame for this... Very bad product policy... If someone wants to root its tablet, the should let him do so... Dont' wanna say they should support rooting the tablet, but other way round they should not prevent it... They just shoud be neutral and so many more people would buy the tablet
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Yeah, Sony is to blame for this... Very bad product policy... If someone wants to root its tablet, the should let him do so... Dont' wanna say they should support rooting the tablet, but other way round they should not prevent it... They just shoud be neutral and so many more people would buy the tablet
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I agree. That's not smart on their part. Do you know of anyone working on unlocking it?
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I think so... But I would not say it is the "only" thing, I would say it is THE THING
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I disagree with "is The Thing" because I have an xperia S with unlocked bootloader and there are roms, and some ways for flashing through CMW, I think that the problem is that there are no developers for our tablet. (ok, just few developers like Condi)
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I disagree with "is The Thing" because I have an xperia S with unlocked bootloader and there are roms, and some ways for flashing through CMW, I think that the problem is that there are no developers for our tablet. (ok, just few developers like Condi)
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Hopefully a few developers jump on the Woot.com deal today and pick up one , cheap. Also, that sale and the announced replacement may make for future opportunities to pick it up cheaply and make it a better value.
Only takes a couple of devs to make a big difference when you only have a one or a few carrying the most of the development load.
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Hopefully a few developers jump on the Woot.com deal today and pick up one , cheap. Also, that sale and the announced replacement may make for future opportunities to pick it up cheaply and make it a better value.
Only takes a couple of devs to make a big difference when you only have a one or a few carrying the most of the development load.
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Woot sold out... so your wish may come true.
Anyone know if the woot deal shipps fully updated or there is a chance to get in on the goods pre #10.
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ChaosfirZen, one of our few Rom developers for Xperia S recently had his phone stolen (He made the Mooded ICS rom). This means he is unable to develop for the Xperia S anymore. My question to everyone is would we have enough people to donate some money to try and get a replacement for him. Rom devs for our phone are thin right now, so I feel it is important to keep the ones we have. Let me know what you guys think.
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ChaosfirZen, one of our few Rom developers for Xperia S recently had his phone stolen (He made the Mooded ICS rom). This means he is unable to develop for the Xperia S anymore. My question to everyone is would we have enough people to donate some money to try and get a replacement for him. Rom devs for our phone are thin right now, so I feel it is important to keep the ones we have. Let me know what you guys think.
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Nooo ;( We should donate him so he can get his hands on a new S imo
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Nooo ;( We should donate him so he can get his hands on a new S imo
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Yeah I am willing to put some cash down, I just want to see if we have enough people interested.
You should donate to real devs like FXP team.
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You should donate to real devs like FXP team.
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Yeah but I personally like his Roms.
I don't even know the guy or own the Xperia S (yet), but I'd pitch in solely because I like where Xperia is headed.
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I don't even know the guy or even own the Xperia S (yet), but I'd pitch in solely because I like where Xperia is headed.
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I don't know him really either, but I did enjoy his Rom and i pmed him to see what happened to it. Sad to find out his phone got stolen.
A terrible experience for anyone to have. I'm definitely behind this cause.
Donating to him. He developed well for the Xperia Arc and he justifies his hard work by producing good ROMs
Nvm. I just Borrowed Xperia S On My Classmate. Since He hacr GS3 maybe ill continue dev. After 1 week
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Nvm. I just Borrowed Xperia S On My Classmate. Since He hacr GS3 maybe ill continue dev. After 1 week
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Cool, let us know because we have a few people willing to chip in and help get a new one.
Firstly, this isn't a complain, just a way to try to understand what's happening.
I noticed some devs (from the few we already have) are leaving.
What is the problem? Personal? Phone power? It was only a temporary phone? Users aren't being polite or thankful? Xperia S seems that won't have much developers, this was a fact since the beginning.
Since the beginning, FXP and Xperia AOKP team are here, but a few other devs doesn't hurt. Doing mods, other ROMS (I confess I'm jealous of the number of roms and mods on the Arc forum. Heck, I want that Pureness Rom so bad).
Again, only trying to understand, I AM NOT COMPLAINING.
"I got my values. So you can keep yours, OK?"
A Serious Issue!
Maybe because some users are complaining too much for the hard work they get for free. I think that we should praise our devs more and also that we should donate more. Development of a rom takes days/weeks. Not everybody can afford to do that totally for free. Maybe xda could offer a humble-bundle-like buisiness model for professional devs. (pay what you want). With that we could attract skilled and motivated people. And paying at least 1$ for a rom wouldn't hurt anybody but reward the developers.
Please don't attack me for that. It's just a suggestion. I know how hard development is. At the moment I also have maybe a 100 interesting projects, but I can't afford to realize them cause I don't get paid for that. And everybody needs to live from something.
people here doing those for free, and of course they have life too.. it's sad to see some few people just rant about their mistakes...if there's bug in the kernel/rom..report it, instead of ranting or venting anger :/
hope to see more development for our devices..
MAyB the user complain more & 4get to give credit to the DEV's who have put in hard effort to make it & sacrificed their useful time.
Maybe because they have gotten better phones than the Sony ones... But it is sad yes.. I would love a smooth and fast rom... But hope more devs will come... I have tried a little for my own and will maybe continue xsx kernel but I can't promise anything as I don't have much time because of my final masters degree assignment..
But we must hope for better days ..
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Maybe because they have gotten better phones than the Sony ones... But it is sad yes.. I would love a smooth and fast rom... But hope more devs will come... I have tried a little for my own and will maybe continue xsx kernel but I can't promise anything as I don't have much time because of my final masters degree assignment..
But we must hope for better days ..
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Which, somehow, it's strange. Xperia X10 Mini/Pro, X8 are low end 2010 devices. They still have some active devs there.
"I got my values. So you can keep yours, OK?"
Look at x8! They even have miniCM9 n 10! Haha! And many Roms and juice to taste! What I can say is that let's became dev to serve our community! It's about time to do it ourselves!
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because our bootloader isn't editable.
and sony phones are hard to develop for
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Look at x8! They even have miniCM9 n 10! Haha! And many Roms and juice to taste! What I can say is that let's became dev to serve our community! It's about time to do it ourselves!
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Yeah... That's the spirit
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Who's leaving? I'm not leaving, I'm temporarily studying
I think the MooDeD (what's the right capitalization in that) dev left, but I don't think we've lost much here. Doom is having a lot of problems IRL, and so do I for now. Jerpelea and Kali- are working on 8960 devices, me, Nick and Keiran on U8500 and AOKP for everyone, krabappel and others work on modded stock ROMs and stuff. What else do we really need? I mean, it would be great to see more skilled people here, but we're getting by as we are right now. Give Sony a month or two, and we'll get stable JB with all the stuff working*
* - likely except HDMI, Sony uses a custom protocol that's a PITA to reverse engineer, so it's not a priority.
P.S. Also, Xperia Nexus. If it's real and not Exynos (which I doubt), I'm totally getting it.
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Who's leaving? I'm not leaving, I'm temporarily studying
I think the MooDeD (what's the right capitalization in that) dev left, but I don't think we've lost much here. Doom is having a lot of problems IRL, and so do I for now. Jerpelea and Kali- are working on 8960 devices, me, Nick and Keiran on U8500 and AOKP for everyone, krabappel and others work on modded stock ROMs and stuff. What else do we really need? I mean, it would be great to see more skilled people here, but we're getting by as we are right now. Give Sony a month or two, and we'll get stable JB with all the stuff working*
* - likely except HDMI, Sony uses a custom protocol that's a PITA to reverse engineer, so it's not a priority.
P.S. Also, Xperia Nexus. If it's real and not Exynos (which I doubt), I'm totally getting it.
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Eracher and mericon just left.
I know. I really wish I had knowledge to at least a Sony based ROM (from Arc to XS). But I really don't know where to start. No dev knowledge.
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Eracher and mericon just left.
I know. I really wish I had knowledge to at least a Sony based ROM (from Arc to XS). But I really don't know where to start. No dev knowledge.
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I can confirm that we don't always get credit for our work. It's really annoying when users post 10 times the same bug with every release, or keep spamming my inbox with the same request over and over again...
Anyway I won't leave soon, I just have a lot of work to do for school, but I'll maintain my Xperia S stuff
As soon as I have some more time I'll also go to making rom from sources maybe
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I can confirm that we don't always get credit for our work. It's really annoying when users post 10 times the same bug with every release, or keep spamming my inbox with the same request over and over again...
Anyway I won't leave soon, I just have a lot of work to do for school, but I'll maintain my Xperia S stuff
As soon as I have some more time I'll also go to making rom from sources maybe
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Would be too much to ask that, if you have any time, to port the Pureness ROM from ThilinaC (if he allows, of course)?
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As soon as I have some more time I'll also go to making rom from sources maybe
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Wanna work on aKernel then? I'd love to get someone to merge all the tweaky stuff
krabappel2548 said:
I can confirm that we don't always get credit for our work. It's really annoying when users post 10 times the same bug with every release, or keep spamming my inbox with the same request over and over again...
Anyway I won't leave soon, I just have a lot of work to do for school, but I'll maintain my Xperia S stuff
As soon as I have some more time I'll also go to making rom from sources maybe
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I can only say that I also find it embarrassing so see the hard work you guys put into what we (should) enjoy. I for one am extremely happy with your work and wouldn't think of "this button's too dark" or "your rom isn't sexy enough" or whatever.
I'm sure many users also appreciate your work, but only the spammers and naggers seems to get the attention.
Whatever, thanks again for the hard work that makes our toys so much better - for free!
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I can confirm that we don't always get credit for our work. It's really annoying when users post 10 times the same bug with every release, or keep spamming my inbox with the same request over and over again...
Anyway I won't leave soon, I just have a lot of work to do for school, but I'll maintain my Xperia S stuff
As soon as I have some more time I'll also go to making rom from sources maybe
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I would love to get some help from you with the continuation of xsx kernel... If you want to help me a little?
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I would love to get some help from you with the continuation of xsx kernel... If you want to help me a little?
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Why continue the XSX kernel? I'll post some more info on aKernel later, it's going to be... interesting
TL;DR default kernel + universal ramdisk + tweaks and safe OC / UV
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Why continue the XSX kernel? I'll post some more info on aKernel later, it's going to be... interesting
TL;DR default kernel + universal ramdisk + tweaks and safe OC / UV
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Because it is good.. But could be better
I will look forward to that
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This sounds good. I'm looking forward to the work you guy's are gonna bring
Currently and historically, which carriers and device manufacturers have supported consumer Android development the most?
I think Samsung.
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Sony and Samsung.
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Sony and Samsung.
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+1 true.....
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According to the current senario i will say Sony.. Yes, Samsung was very supportive initially.. But now a days Sony seems to extend more support than any other OEM.. dont forget that Sony was chosen as the OEM of the year by XDA last time.. .. And the latest news is that CM backing out from supporting SG S4.. for obvious reasons..
Exactly. Sony has been consistently becoming more awesome. A lot of the CM devs decided not to develop for Exynos devices because of improper documentation and source code for the processors by Samsung. The Snapdragon processor version will certainly get CM, and the other one will also likely get it. Like the Galaxy Note 2. A lot of prominent Samsung device devs refused to develop for it because it was troublesome, so someone else took it up. So yeah, in light of things Sony is the most proactive and actually seems to care about third party development.
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