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Morning gents,
Found an interesting article on Redmond Pie(w..w..w...redmondpie.com/does-android-log-everything-you-do-yes-it-does-video/} about android logging just about everything we do with our phones with a piece of software called Carrier IQ.Towards the end of the article it says the only way to get rid of it is if you root your phone and reinstall the OS without Carrie IQ.So my questions is when you make your roms do you leave Carrie IQ out or do you devs not even know about it?
Thanks a Bunch......George
CarrierIQ isn't something the devs need to leave out of their roms because it's not there to begin with. Other phones have it, ours does not. At least as of right now...
Kadin said:
CarrierIQ isn't something the devs need to leave out of their roms because it's not there to begin with. Other phones have it, ours does not. At least as of right now...
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Yup. I haven't looked at the UCKJ2/J4 leaks to see if AT&T is adding it.
****rocket has it, we don't, at least not yet.
Hellraiser ROMs will likely never have it - I'm 90% certain CIQ is illegal in Europe due to their privacy laws.
Entropy512 said:
Yup. I haven't looked at the UCKJ2/J4 leaks to see if AT&T is adding it.
****rocket has it, we don't, at least not yet.
Hellraiser ROMs will likely never have it - I'm 90% certain CIQ is illegal in Europe due to their privacy laws.
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I can't find anything on the leak by Shoman for UCKJ4 that has CIQ running...
Thanks
Alrighty thanks guys that makes feel a whole lot better
Hi all,
I've tried different modems and know that they effect dramatically on battery life and reception. I also know that the "best" modem is individual and a trial-and-error approach is needed.
Still, is there a documentation somewhere about each modem's features? For example the Nexus kc1 modem (if I'm not mistaken) has the ability to switch to 2G to save power when the phone is idle. I'm wondering which ICS modems (CM9) for the S2 have this feature, for example. Also some modems are reported to work better at certain ranges, etc.
Thanks
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Perhaps this thread could & should be under a more general forum?
I'm thinking exactly the same thing.
I'm wondering what the limitations are. I have a feeling some very interesting things could be done with the modem.
http://androidforums.com/galaxy-s2-...3246-extract-radio-modem-tar-md5-package.html
For one, perhaps the polling time to the base station could be increased to save battery, and then put back to the original setting. There might be a standard that companies have against this, there might be a hardware limitation or possibly it's just badly documented right?
Another one could be broadcasting something completely different, or... receiving something you're not supposed to receive... scanning for other mobiles even. It could get quite disruptive.
No idea why not much talk on this... or perhaps we just need the right words to search for?
I can find related talk but nothing on the stack itself:
http://androidforums.com/galaxy-s2-international-all-things-root/489457-latest-i9100-modems.html
Samsung modems come as pre-compiled .bin files and Samsung never releases change logs with modems or ROMs so it's difficult to say what changes between releases. As far as I know, given the proprietary nature of the code it isn't possible (either technically, legally or both) to decompile the modem files and look at the code so any reviews would be purely based on observation of signal strengths and data speeds, also I don't think it's possible to modify them in any way, at least I have never seen anything that suggests a dev has tried.
Modems are black boxes. Documentation ? Bwaaahahahahahaha There's no such thing. Apart from real world tests people on here/elsewhere have done to compare connectivity/data speeds.
Always good to see a bit of maniacal laughter MB.
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Hehe ;-) Some of things people expect around here make me laugh.
I mean, documentation. From Samsung ? *****, please. Given how they play hardball with sources they're not going to give us documentation for proprietary code anytime soon.
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Always good to see a bit of maniacal laughter MB.
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Samsung release documentation it not only is read by guys that understand but also every idiot with a SGS2 . They will soon start posting asking for themed modems .
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Well I guess this is in the Samsung forum but also I'm thinking it would be nice to know just a little about modems... even just what the API allows would be nice.
As for going deeper it seems that yes, there is no company allowing full access:
"Although its philosophy is somewhat similar to that of Openmoko, GeeksPhone does not publish hardware specifications for its devices beyond a data sheet. Another difference is that GeeksPhone aims to provide a stable device suitable for everyday use and capable of competing with other commercial devices on the market. The GeeksPhone One ships with an Android version which has undergone quality tests and passed Android Open Source Project (AOSP) Code Compliance certification, allowing it to include closed-source Android components and participate in Android Market.
About emerging competitor Synapse-Phones's strategy to offer smartphones with customizable hardware, Rodrigo Silva-Ramos stated that GeeksPhone had tried the same, but found it impossible. He noted, however, that the existence of a competitor confirmed the viability of the company's business model.[10]
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jago25_98 said:
Well I guess this is in the Samsung forum but also I'm thinking it would be nice to know just a little about modems... even just what the API allows would be nice.
As for going deeper it seems that yes, there is no company allowing full access:
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The cm team would be on top of this I suspect.
Maybe they have commented their source code. Never looked but worth a shot.
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I had started a thread I just got the official ICS Upgrade
In that thread some had indicated that a custom ROM should
be used and not the the official ICS Upgrade from AT&T.
In an effort to not get that thread of track i will ask here:
What is the real difference with the AT&T Official ICS ROM and the Custom ROMs?
I am fully aware AT&T has loaded a bunch of junk in,
and I went through and disables and deleted much of it.
But what truly is so awful about it?
And if it truly is so bad, what is the "Correct" ROM to use?
Thank you
No such thing as correct or incorrect, it is all personal taste. Some might like one ROM over another. Does that make it better than another? Nope.
Take cars for example. Some people like to leave it stock. Some might like to increase its performance and add engine modifications. Some might like it to handle the roads better so they might upgrade its suspension. Others might like to change its appearance and paint it and add body-kits. Is one car better than the other? Depends on who you ask.
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I had started a thread I just got the official ICS Upgrade
In that thread some had indicated that a custom ROM should
be used and not the the official ICS Upgrade from AT&T.
In an effort to not get that thread of track i will ask here:
What is the real difference with the AT&T Official ICS ROM and the Custom ROMs?
I am fully aware AT&T has loaded a bunch of junk in,
and I went through and disables and deleted much of it.
But what truly is so awful about it?
And if it truly is so bad, what is the "Correct" ROM to use?
Thank you
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This thread will get real out of hand.
But before it dissapears. the main reason most of us say its bad, is with the history of At&t's releases. They mess stuff up, have issues within the kernals, and a big BIG issue with them right now that w/o source, we dont know if its fixed.
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gsrrr said:
No such thing as correct or incorrect, it is all personal taste. Some might like one ROM over another. Does that make it better than another? Nope. .
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not taste/opinion in the fact(from their history) that the coding is a mess. and broken everywhere.
You come to a developer forum to run fully stock?
That's what goes through my head when I see people afraid of flashing.
If you want the AT&T firmware at least wait for somebody to post a debloated version since your going to disable them anyways or actually learn how to do it yourself. Since you have access to the forum with so much information.
Maybe take it 1 step further and grab the AT&T firmware and customize it to your liking, you don't even have to post it just use it.
This isn't a great thread cause Versus threads go nowhere...
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This thread will get real out of hand.
But before it dissapears. the main reason most of us say its bad, is with the history of At&t's releases.
They mess stuff up, have issues within the kernals, and a big BIG issue with them right now that w/o source, we dont know if its fixed.
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Thank you
Harry_Y said:
I had started a thread I just got the official ICS Upgrade
In that thread some had indicated that a custom ROM should
be used and not the the official ICS Upgrade from AT&T.
In an effort to not get that thread of track i will ask here:
What is the real difference with the AT&T Official ICS ROM and the Custom ROMs?
I am fully aware AT&T has loaded a bunch of junk in,
and I went through and disables and deleted much of it.
But what truly is so awful about it?
And if it truly is so bad, what is the "Correct" ROM to use?
Thank you
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Dude. Do the math. You're posting in a development forum that strives on customizing, building, and creating custom sh$t for our devices. Why would you think that 90% of the people here are looking for and using custom roms?
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No such thing as correct or incorrect, it is all personal taste.
Some might like one ROM over another. Does that make it better than another? Nope.
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I can appreciate people wanting to customize their devices.
That being said customizing just for the sake of customizing is not really
of interest to me; Increased functionality or an issue being corrected is.
So the real question for me would be what real issues with the
Stock ROM get corrected? and what Real features get added.
Thank you
task650 said:
Dude. Do the math. You're posting in a development forum that strives on customizing, building, and creating custom sh$t for our devices. Why would you think that 90% of the people here are looking for and using custom roms?
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I fully understand that, I also realize people get emotionally attached to things.
What I'm trying to learn is what is the Real advantage with the custom ROM.
Thank you
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I fully understand that, I also realize people get emotionally attached to things.
What I'm trying to learn is what is the Real advantage with the custom ROM.
Thank you
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Go to the dev section, pick a random rom thread and look at the features.
That is just an example of what is beneficial.
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I fully understand that, I also realize people get emotionally attached to things.
What I'm trying to learn is what is the Real advantage with the custom ROM.
Thank you
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There are many different things. Mods add to the functionality of the phone. Take the 14 toggle mod for instance, no need to enter settings to change common things. Skip tracks with volume buttons. You can also increase battery life with various kernels by UV/uc. It allows you to make your phone function and do what you want it to. The stock firmware is too limiting in this ability
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Harry_Y said:
I can appreciate people wanting to customize their devices.
That being said customizing just for the sake of customizing is not really
of interest to me; Increased functionality or an issue being corrected is.
So the real question for me would be what real issues with the
Stock ROM get corrected? and what Real features get added.
Thank you
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Of course there is an increase in functionality or else why would devs create custom ROMs. What each ROM has that differs from others are listed in their respective threads. Check it out and see if any interest you. If you are satisfied with stock, stay stock. Not a big deal.
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You come to a developer forum to run fully stock?
That's what goes through my head when I see people afraid of flashing.
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Honestly, I used to hang around here for the community - but that's quickly turning me into a simple lurker.
I'm extremely interested in the developers work. However, I find that the stock factory firmwares are every bit as good or stable as anything that gets turned out in the dev areas. The stock ROMs also do everything I need and want. Plus, I don't like AOSP Android, and that seems to be what everybody is focusing on these days. Also, the 3rd party roms generally have too much changed, removed or added for my tastes.
Edit: Oh, and while I generally like the OEMs code, I have no problem using a good 3rd party kernel.
AT&T releases are typically buggy. The developers here either fix those bugs, or use firmware bases from the international version that are more robust and stable. It is too early to know what bugs this UCLE5 release may contain, but the original AT&T UCKH7 firmware had lockscreen security issues, the official AT&T update UCKK6 broken bluetooth hid and serious power management issues. The AT&T ICS leaks leading up to this version, UCLD3 and UCLD4 had a very serious flaw in the kernel which caused several people with the I777 to lose their device due to eMMC chip damage. Since the kernel source code for the current official AT&T UCLE5 has not been released yet, it is not possible to confirm that the kernel supplied with the UCLE5 release is free of this serious issue. Therefore, it would be advisable to either not run this firmware, or use a modified rooted version in which the kernel is replaced with a known safe kernel.
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AT&T releases are typically buggy. The developers here either fix those bugs, or use firmware bases from the international version that are more robust and stable. It is too early to know what bugs this UCLE5 release may contain, but the original AT&T UCKH7 firmware had lockscreen security issues, the official AT&T update UCKK6 broken bluetooth hid and serious power management issues. The AT&T ICS leaks leading up to this version, UCLD3 and UCLD4 had a very serious flaw in the kernel which caused several people with the I777 to lose their device due to eMMC chip damage. Since the kernel source code for the current official AT&T UCLE5 has not been released yet, it is not possible to confirm that the kernel supplied with the UCLE5 release is free of this serious issue. Therefore, it would be advisable to either not run this firmware, or use a modified rooted version in which the kernel is replaced with a known safe kernel.
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Thank you for a very clear explanation.
raduque said:
Honestly, I used to hang around here for the community - but that's quickly turning me into a simple lurker.
I'm extremely interested in the developers work. However, I find that the stock factory firmwares are every bit as good or stable as anything that gets turned out in the dev areas. The stock ROMs also do everything I need and want. Plus, I don't like AOSP Android, and that seems to be what everybody is focusing on these days. Also, the 3rd party roms generally have too much changed, removed or added for my tastes.
Edit: Oh, and while I generally like the OEMs code, I have no problem using a good 3rd party kernel.
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you definitely haven't been running an android device if you say this (marked in BOLD). Considering the fact that for our device in particular, they have released BS that is not only buggy as hell, but has bricked a ton of devices. I think you should probably do a little research before making such bold comments. :laugh:
I got board enough to try the full LE5 including kernel. So far better than D4 and previous ics. Tegrak works as it does on the 9100 base kernels so that tells me i777 is catching up or has caught up. Could be just odex, but all benchmarks higher than on any of the aokp or 9100 sammy roms I've tried.
I'd like to see someone customize this if it remains stable. I've added 15 toggle from other roms, but I jusy like having firmware meant for device.
I-777 UCLE5
Tegrak oc/uv 1.452 ghz
Stable & Fast
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you definitely haven't been running an android device if you say this (marked in BOLD). Considering the fact that for our device in particular, they have released BS that is not only buggy as hell, but has bricked a ton of devices. I think you should probably do a little research before making such bold comments. :laugh:
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lol
I've been running Android devices and flashing firmwares since 2009.
I also haven't seen any of the bugs or issues mentioned on this forum. Doesn't mean they don't exist. The stock 2.3 rom that came with my GS2 from AT&T was amazingly, impressively stable compared to what came with my Vibrant, or even ANY of the community roms for it.
UCLE5 bug:
unable to use wide image for wallpaper, so you can only get a fixed wallpaper, not a scrolling wallpaper. This bug was present in the leaks, and has not been fixed in the official release.
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UCLE5 bug:
unable to use wide image for wallpaper, so you can only get a fixed wallpaper, not a scrolling wallpaper. This bug was present in the leaks, and has not been fixed in the official release.
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IMO, non issue.
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IMO, non issue.
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Yes, many would not care. Many would. Ask AT&T or Samsung, and they will probably say it is a feature.
I'm not a newbie, so this isn't about the safety of rooting. My other units recently have included Verizon and a non-cellular Samsung tablet, both of which are blocked from getting updates if rooted. And in the distant past, AT&T did the same thing (with the Motorola Backflip.) Since some of the updates were radio improvements, that was rather unfortunate.
Are there still such problems with rooting? Do the ROMs make it out quickly anyhow (as they did with the Backflip)? I'm good with the technical risk of rooting, but would like to assess the bureaucratic risk before diving in.
Root itself will not block OTA, from my understanding. However, any system files that were altered, uninstalled, frozen, etc. by root need to be returned to the "stock" condition, as this will block OTA from installing (all system files are checked before OTA install).
Also, stock recovery needs to be installed.
But my opinion, is that especially on the AT&T variant, OTAs have no place on a rooted/modded phone, anyway. One of the great things about being bootloader unlocked, rooted, etc. is that you can install ROMs based on other carrier's software, especially the international version, which gets updates before we do.
For instance, I've already been running Android 4.4.3 version of Sense (international base) for a few weeks now, with the AT&T release nowhere in sight (supposed to be "soon", but who know exactly when?).
Some folks do like the AT&T base features, such as Visual Voicemail support and ISIS. But I don't personally care for them. And there are ROMs built with that functionality as well. Wonders_Never_Cease for instance has a 4.4.3 ROM based on the Dev Edition OTA, with VVM and ISIS added.
Moral of the story, IMO root and don't worry about OTAs. The community here will take care of you. Or worst case you can restore the system files and stock recovery if you really want OTA.
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Root itself will not block OTA, from my understanding. ...But my opinion, is that especially on the AT&T variant, OTAs have no place on a rooted/modded phone, anyway.
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"No place" is a bit harsh, but I will forgive you the hyperbole for the sake of creative, if vapid, license. Largely I agree.
But "the community" doesn't tend to support custom hardware as well as the carrier. I go back a distance; you couldn't trust the then. In fairness, Verizon was the worst. AT&T was more like benignly evil - they'd have been more evil, but it would have taken too much effort and anyhow they already had the DeathStar logo so it would have been redundant.
Still, we're talking semi-custom phones. Does the T-Mobile version of the M8 have LTE 700? Not sure, but I'd guess just as little as the AT&T version has WiFi calling. (This stuff matters to me; I'd really rather have a Sony Z1 Compact - more form-factor friendly to my size - but no LTE 700 and no Wi-Fi calling.)
Good to know that rooting probably won't block OTA. Thanks
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"No place" is a bit harsh, but I will forgive you the hyperbole for the sake of creative, if vapid, license. Largely I agree.
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I did explicitly say in my opinion OTA has no place on modded phones. I strongly believe this, although it doesn't mean that others are completely entitled to have a different opinion
I don't see my phrasing as "harsh" but I meant it to be interchangeable with "In my opinion OTAs do not belong on modded phones" if that makes you feel better. After 4 HTC devices, the number of times I've installed OTA, or even felt the desire to . . . ZERO.
Hi guys,
It is well known that us LG g2 users on stock and stock based rom have vulnerabilities in the Stagefright framework. It won't be long before someone designs an attack which can be spread very easily, think of the sms bug on iPhones which caused them to shut down.
Luckily Apple's ecosystem is not fragmented like the android ecosystem. Apple delivered a patch very fast. Now of course Google patched things up in the newest android versions but what about the rest of us running kitkat or lower?
I am opening this thread to let us discuss the possible workarounds/solutions/prevention methods to keep us safe from Stagefright exploits.
Cheers,
An LG g2 user (stock)
shaggydiamond said:
Hi guys,
It is well known that us LG g2 users on stock and stock based rom have vulnerabilities in the Stagefright framework. It won't be long before someone designs an attack which can be spread very easily, think of the sms bug on iPhones which caused them to shut down.
Luckily Apple's ecosystem is not fragmented like the android ecosystem. Apple delivered a patch very fast. Now of course Google patched things up in the newest android versions but what about the rest of us running kitkat or lower?
I am opening this thread to let us discuss the possible workarounds/solutions/prevention methods to keep us safe from Stagefright exploits.
Cheers,
An LG g2 user (stock)
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Ill be honest. This is not really a big deal. Well that is unless you make your phone number public (not sure why someone would do that) by posting it on social networks or open forums.
Other then that you really have less then .01% of a chance of being targeted. Mainly as MMS really is really not used much outside the states.
Furthermore LG will join Samsung for monthly security updates
Envoyé de mon LG-D802 en utilisant Tapatalk
saintshakajin said:
Furthermore LG will join Samsung for monthly security updates
Envoyé de mon LG-D802 en utilisant Tapatalk
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With the G2 that might not mean much as it will have to go through the carriers. Keep in mind that these companies are Europe based and in europe carriers dont control updates so the OEM can push it right to the device. Not the case here in the states.
What about the new Certifi-gate hack???
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With the G2 that might not mean much as it will have to go through the carriers. Keep in mind that these companies are Europe based and in europe carriers dont control updates so the OEM can push it right to the device. Not the case here in the states.
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I know for a fact that t-mobile pushes updates instead of the OEM itself. Vodafone might do that too.
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I know for a fact that t-mobile pushes updates instead of the OEM itself. Vodafone might do that too.
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I know tmobile does in the states didn't know they did in Europe as well. Sucks because as long as the carrier controls it then most will not get an update.
latest Cyanogenmod ROMs incorporate these changes already
This has been patched in AOSP.
So far i have tested CM12.1 Nighly and the latest SlimLP and i can confirm this has been patched. The people running stock ROM might have to disable MMS 'Auto retrieve' function in their messaging app temporarily until an update arrives from their Carrier.
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Ill be honest. This is not really a big deal. Well that is unless you make your phone number public (not sure why someone would do that) by posting it on social networks or open forums.
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Until one of your contacts is compromised, then the attacker has the entire address book including your number. No public posting needed. Do you trust everyone who has your number will not open a malicious MMS? I know I don't
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Until one of your contacts is compromised, then the attacker has the entire address book including your number. No public posting needed. Do you trust everyone who has your number will not open a malicious MMS? I know I don't
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Do I? Yes. But then very few have my number and I change it every 4 months or so.
zelendel said:
Ill be honest. This is not really a big deal. Well that is unless you make your phone number public (not sure why someone would do that) by posting it on social networks or open forums.
Other then that you really have less then .01% of a chance of being targeted. Mainly as MMS really is really not used much outside the states.
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its a pretty big deal and also many apps grab contact details so anyone who uses apps, and is on someone else's contact list effectively is public.
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its a pretty big deal and also many apps grab contact details so anyone who uses apps, and is on someone else's contact list effectively is public.
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All it is really is fear mongering. The chances of you getting attacked by it are slim to none.
Not any more. There is an exploit in the wild, trough a malicious MPEG-4.
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Not any more. There is an exploit in the wild, trough a malicious MPEG-4.
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Doesnt matter because there are Stock roms for LG G2 released that have stagefight patched that and stock based roms have had it for ages also
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Doesnt matter because there are Stock roms for LG G2 released that have stagefight patched that and stock based roms have had it for ages also
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The dilemma G2 users face is whether to stick with the excellent KK 4.4.2 20H, (which isn't patched.) or upgrade to the L 5.0.2. As the 5.0.X version of L have a memory leak, I'd rather stay on KK.
What we really need LG to do is just release 5.1 as a minimum but I don't see it happening. 5.1 would take care of the Stagefright bug and the memory leak. :angel: