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If the prices rumored around the internet are true or close ie: Samsung 4g off contract 650.00 Thunderbolt 749.00 off contract etc( who knows what the Galaxy s2 will be ). than I am pretty certain I will bow out of the new phone sweepstakes for awhile. I paid 529.00 for the Nexus one and about the same for a Nexus S(which I returned) and to my way of thinking that is about the upper limit I want to spend on a smartphone. I am not eligible for upgrade for quite some time and would probably be willing to spend in the neighborhood of 500-560.00 but not up in the mid 600 to 750 range. I realize that they new phones have dual cores and other items but if the price remains close to the same with upgrade(which it appears they will) why the big price hike for the off contract? Trying to force people to switch carriers and sign contracts? Are the carriers testing to see if we will pay the higher prices. I would really appreciate hearing your feelings about this from all of you out there.
Seriously, the price is way too high.. 600 dollars is the most I'd pay for a tablet. How many here actually bought it?
If they release it internationally, I would. Sans the contract, of course. The pricing is not too far off the 32GB iPad 2 3G, but the Jetstream has the pen AND SD slot. If this ever comes out WiFi only, I'm sure to get it.
The only real problem I see is the contract pricing from AT&T. Thats way too high for a 2-year contract.
GazaIan said:
Seriously, the price is way too high.. 600 dollars is the most I'd pay for a tablet. How many here actually bought it?
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If they release it internationally, I would. Sans the contract, of course. The pricing is not too far off the 32GB iPad 2 3G, but the Jetstream has the pen AND SD slot. If this ever comes out WiFi only, I'm sure to get it.
The only real problem I see is the contract pricing from AT&T. Thats way too high for a 2-year contract.
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I'm seriously contemplating it...
$699 for a 32 gig tab is more than any other Android tab out there but considering it is expandable up to as large an SD card as you want to put in it... 32g more at this point and it comes with the pen right now which is an $80 accessory.... not that bad. Also when you compare it to the same size iPad2 it is actually less money by $30 and $130 less than the 64g iPad2. I already pay $50 a month for an unlimited aircard so downgrading and then pimping off my Android phone for additional airtime when not on wifi will take care of that.
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I'm seriously contemplating it...
$699 for a 32 gig tab is more than any other Android tab out there but considering it is expandable up to as large an SD card as you want to put in it... 32g more at this point and it comes with the pen right now which is an $80 accessory.... not that bad. Also when you compare it to the same size iPad2 it is actually less money by $30 and $130 less than the 64g iPad2. I already pay $50 a month for an unlimited aircard so downgrading and then pimping off my Android phone for additional airtime when not on wifi will take care of that.
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I agree with you.... I had a Dell Streak 7 and an iPad WiFi + 3G 64GB. I sold both of them and got this tablet and I haven't looked back. I love it, just needs to be rooted. I was paying $25 for the 2GB iPad plan, changed it to the $35 3GB plan - service discount = $28 and change. so for a few bucks more a month it was worth it.
- Dan
It's only $50 more than the 32GB GT 10.1 LTE on VZW and AT&T's data plan is cheaper. The GT 3G I'm importing from the UK is actually more expensive. They all get pricy once you include a data connection.
Yep,despite all the hype that it was outrageously pricey, I didn't see a glaringly high difference than the iPad 2 in price, and I like the way it feels.
I would like to see it rooted and get a decent case for it, though....
Its a sweet tab. I bought it, love it. Price wasn't an issue as the jetstream has all the features I want. This is much better than the iPad
I wont pay that much for it, specially because I don't use the internal connection..
I like it but I'll wait for a wifi only version, or for att finally realize is to expensive and decrease the price..
It's funny to me so many sites, people, articles, etc...getting stuck on the price. Yes, it's expensive! It's almost the same price as the Xoom was, and the ipad 2 (depending on type and version of course).
I'm very impressed thus far with the quality of this tablet and what it offers for me. This is an extremely better buy (for the $ spent) then ipad, Xoom, Acer, etc in my opinion.
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It's funny to me so many sites, people, articles, etc...getting stuck on the price. Yes, it's expensive! It's almost the same price as the Xoom was, and the ipad 2 (depending on type and version of course).
I'm very impressed thus far with the quality of this tablet and what it offers for me. This is an extremely better buy (for the $ spent) then ipad, Xoom, Acer, etc in my opinion.
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i wanted one but just picked up a Transformer a few minutes ago for $390 @ Best Buy. I couldn't justify the extra 300 when i could get another Transformer for almost the difference.
Jetstream
Bought, love it....not worried about the price.
Have been an IPAD user since it came out....love it but really cant do anything with it except surf the web and look at some photos.
The Jetstream is expensive but when I looked at the 64gb Ipad @ we were in the same ballpark and it lack many of the features I wanted.
PLUS, it's just like my phone. Not sure if anyone has really mentioned this advantage but it's very familiar to my rooted inspire running RC mix Kingdom 3d...
I love knowing how to use the thing out of the box...
Now, I just need to figure out how to get on my VPN at work!
You can get the Jetstream for $549 with a 2 year contract!
I ordered mine last week from AT&T. When you order the 3Gig LTE Data plan with a 2 year commitment you get the Jetstream for $549.00 before tax.
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That is nice hut how you did it because I was seeing to order it online without contract and it says the prices mentioned before and it even obligate you to get a data plan?
Does the means that I could get it no contract for $699? If so, i am in.
I already bought an HTC Flyer earlier this year, which is $499 for a 16 GB, 7" tablet, plus $80 for the pen. I'm quite happy with it. If not for already owning the Flyer, I would seriously consider the Jetstream. But I'm not sure if I would get the data plan, or buy it at full retail price (and use it as a WiFi-only device).
Obviously, what you feel about the price depends a whole lot on your financial situation and personal budget. For me, spending a couple extra hundred bucks for something I really want is reasonable. I have a personal soft spot for HTC devices. For me, devices made by other manufacturers really tend to not compare to HTC's build quality. For that, I would happily pay extra. That's the philosophy I had when buying the Flyer. There are plenty of cheaper 7" tablets around. But its not necessarily a good "value" if you save some money on a tablet, but don't really like the device you bought. But of course, a lot of this depends on personal preferences, as well.
And yes, I don't even own this device, but I'm still poking around this subforum out of envy!
Hey guys I'm seriously considering purchasing it but I live in India but that can be taken care of as the US mail forwarding service I use also has a BuyForMe sub-service where they buy the product for me... but in this case since at&t requires a SSN for the compulsory cancel-anytime data plan with the no-contract offering of this tablet, I'm having a tough time getting my hands on this awesome-elegant HTC
tab. So my questions are-
1) Will the developer community at any point in time work on getting it SIM unlocked? Or is it better to wait for a version that will not be bound to AT&T?
2) If any of my dear fellow members will be so kind so as help me somehow (read: above) with getting my hands on this beauty? Can you use a friends' SSN to buy a thing for yourself?
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After a lot of , reviews and reaserch I had to deside for the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Honestly I didnt find a fair reason to spend $350 more for the htc, plusethe GT is lighterand thin.
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I already bought an HTC Flyer earlier this year, which is $499 for a 16 GB, 7" tablet, plus $80 for the pen. I'm quite happy with it. If not for already owning the Flyer, I would seriously consider the Jetstream. But I'm not sure if I would get the data plan, or buy it at full retail price (and use it as a WiFi-only device).
Obviously, what you feel about the price depends a whole lot on your financial situation and personal budget. For me, spending a couple extra hundred bucks for something I really want is reasonable. I have a personal soft spot for HTC devices. For me, devices made by other manufacturers really tend to not compare to HTC's build quality. For that, I would happily pay extra. That's the philosophy I had when buying the Flyer. There are plenty of cheaper 7" tablets around. But its not necessarily a good "value" if you save some money on a tablet, but don't really like the device you bought. But of course, a lot of this depends on personal preferences, as well.
And yes, I don't even own this device, but I'm still poking around this subforum out of envy!
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Me too! I'm still considering getting one. Taking the Flyer out and leaving the jetstream home (off contract) as a couchsurfer would rule. Especially because notes sync.
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You can't take it with you
Meh, it's only money. You can't take it with you.
Besides, this thing is a beast. Super fast, both processor and network speed. You can download ICE Films right to the device in less than 5 minutes. Come on, what can be better.
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Meh, it's only money. You can't take it with you.
Besides, this thing is a beast. Super fast, both processor and network speed. You can download ICE Films right to the device in less than 5 minutes. Come on, what can be better.
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Nice to be an american with AT&T LTE dataplan! In russia this thing will cost at least 2000$ (after a couple of weeks of sales) and will be available in 4-6 months...
If anyone can help me with a little explanation, on how to actually buy it without dataplan (since no commitment also includes some kind of plan) and registration, i would really appreciate.
Several things this device lacks at the moment - SIM unlock, voice calls capability and S-OFF...
Give it a.little time Grayhardt.
3 new android phones are coming to Verizon in November. I have been waiting it seems like forever for the new Nexus device. Now that its just on the horizon I find myself with a bit of a dilemma. All 3 new phones phones cost about the same to make as the previous models yet Verizon is now asking for $100 more for every high end android handset. After some poking around I still can't figure out a good reason for such a stiff increase. The only thing I can figure is that Verizon is just being greedy. They know they are the top carrier and have the best phones so they are going to keep tightening to screws to see how much money they can bleed out of us. The $100 isn't that big of a deal but when it comes down too it if we continue to support companies raising prices for no reason what so ever then where will it stop? We lost unlimited data and new every 2. If left unchecked these carriers will continue to remove features and increase prices. Verizon is the first to try these price hikes and they need to be made an example of before it spreads to the other carriers.
I'm strongly considering jumping ship to Sprint. The prices look better, they have Google Voice integration and they have unlimited data (as of now). The plan is to either get the Epic 4g Touch (Galaxy SII) or to cross my fingers and pray that the Galaxy Nexus makes its way over to Sprint.
Anyone have any thoughts on Verizon vs Sprint as far as quality of service, pricing and policies? Anyone else think that Verizon is going to regret this price hike?
The Nexus 4 costs a mere $299 and the Nexus 7 tablet only $199. Many analysts think Google is heavily subsidizing these products, selling them at break-even or even losing money (to an extent, that may depend on some cost-accounting assumptions--suffice it to say, they aren't believed to be profiting from the hardware sales).
My question is--will this pricing be sustained? I care both for theoretical reasons--it's just an interesting question--and personal reasons--I am going to switch to T-Mobile's Value Plan, which offers cheaper rates in exchange for eliminating hardware subsidies.
Thanks for your opinions.
Yes for me yes
I've seen an article like 3 months ago where some chinese company made a 4,7 inch phone with such specs that it could beat the Galaxy S3 and the price.....only 199 US dollars. =)
Samsung, Sony, HTC and every other major OEMs OVERCHARGE their products. $ $
But in my opinion yes Google will stay with the prices as their goal is to make phone affordable yet powerful.
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The Nexus 4 costs a mere $299 and the Nexus 7 tablet only $199. Many analysts think Google is heavily subsidizing these products, selling them at break-even or even losing money (to an extent, that may depend on some cost-accounting assumptions--suffice it to say, they aren't believed to be profiting from the hardware sales).
My question is--will this pricing be sustained? I care both for theoretical reasons--it's just an interesting question--and personal reasons--I am going to switch to T-Mobile's Value Plan, which offers cheaper rates in exchange for eliminating hardware subsidies.
Thanks for your opinions.
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dont forget that google's gains from ads, searches, datamining, play store sales and in-app sales and ads.
they dont really need any hardware revenues, they got into phones and tablet sales just to shock the market which (mostly for tablet) was growing stale and lazy.
I'm pretty sure they don't make a loss.. they might be making a slight profit in their hardware but the main profit comes in the software
Updated Thoughts on Nexus Pricing, Ref Moto X
Most of the predictions and pundits said the Moto X would be very affordable off-contract, perhaps even below the (very impressive) $299 price point of the Nexus 4. What a bust that turned out to be. The announcement didn't even talk about off-contract, then later in the day it came out that off-contract will be typical high-end pricing.
But while disappointed, I'm not really that surprised. I've had my doubts about whether Google will continue low Nexus pricing. It would seem to cause a lot of relationship conflict, with carriers (in U.S.) but especially with manufacturers. The handset makers are, understandably, touchy enough about Google owning Motorola. Having Motorola become the disruptive, low-cost competitor would only fan the flames. Thus, not surprised that the Moto X doesn't impress on price.
So back to Nexus. There are those who believe the Moto X is the Nexus 5...meaning there is no real Nexus planned for this year. If that proves true, it reinforces the point. I also predict a phased rise in the price of Nexuses when they do come out. The next one, whenever it comes out, will be $375-$400 for the low memory configuration. Then the next one will increase by another $75-100, at which point they will have reached their equilibrium price. Also, there may not be a Nexus device every year--only when Google has a reason for releasing one.
I really hope I am wrong. A few months ago I switched to Tmo's new "un-carrier" plan. We have data for a family of 5 for $120/month (the kids have to make do with 500 Mb, which really isn't that bad). Depending how often you buy new phones, and whether you get BOGOs, etc, it is about break-even
at full retail pricing. But if you can get Nexuses for $299, it offers very compelling savings.
(P.S. Yes, I do understand Google makes money off ads, not devices, and if they really wanted to, they could sustain low Nexus pricing forever. I didn't mean sustainable in the pure profit margin sense, I meant it in the marketing and partner relationships sense. )
Simple answer: yes!
But: there is always a "but"
Unless you're into tech and knows the product offering then this will be a steal, however for 90% of the consumer shopping for a phone looks at features which they never use. Samsung, HTC, Sony etc. All can charge $600 because they have justify their developer team also the money spent on marketing.
Sammy has Touchwiz, HTC has Sense, etc. which try to differentiate then self from other manufacturers. Nexus products were intended for developers however Google saw the potential of gaining market share from Apple and jumped on the opportunity.
Unless other manufacturers pressure Google to change their price point we will continue to receive great products at low cost and for that thank you Google.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...ware-nexus-5x-and-6p-not-meeting-sales-goals/
- HTC is still in talks to build the next Nexus phone(s).
- Google takes a 15% cut of the sales price of Nexus phones it sells, but it hasn't always done this, and on some past devices has taken no cut at all.
- The "most recent" Nexus phones (5X, 6P) have not met their "optimistic" internal sales goals at Google.
- The Nexus 5 (2013) was the best-selling Nexus phone of all time.
- That the 5X and 6P aren't being sold by any US carriers is a point of "significant consternation" for people involved with the Nexus program.
My opinion
The 6P and 5X not reaching sales goals ? No ****, because they're not sold in Carrier stores this time. If the iPhone 7 is only sold on the Apple website for $700, no payment plan, you betcha ass sales will suck and be way down. If Google wants sales, they need to put it on all major carriers, BUT ALSO advertise the crap out of it like no tomorrow, and have promotions for it in the stores.
But just throwing it up on the Google website, and saying, her we have a phone we're selling, just give us $600 and it's yours. No **** Sherlock it's not selling well.
Plus in Europe the price was a joke. Too expensive. The only ones who buy a Nexus these days are Nexus fans. The N6P 32gb costs 650-700 euros in EU while the S6 32gb costs 400-450 and the G4 400. So no surprise here. Time to get serious with the Nexus line and stop ripping off geeks and Nexus fans.
Another kick in the balls is the major price drop that comes like 9 months later. Brand new the Nexus 6P is like $600 or so, and then in the spring watch it come down to like $399, and then late Summer will be like $299 brand new still.
I cant imagine carriers will be happy selling an Unlocked phone below the prices of other phones of the same caliber. Id also imagine carriers would want to mark up the phones some how. Also Id imagine other cell phone makers wouldnt be too happy. Imagine Samsung or LG putting their $650 phone out at verizon and then a $500 Nexus 6P shows up being financed through the carrier also. Probably the reason carriers had the Nexus 6 because it came out at the same price as other flagships. Plus carriers wanna put their bloat crap on the phones also.
It does seem google has actually advertised the 5x and 6p. Ive seen a lot of commercials for them. Cant say I ever saw a Nexus 6 commercial.
I think a big reason the sales also aren't up to snuff is the phones just now are being sold in Best Buy. A lot of customers want to hold the phone and see if they like it. Its taken forever for them to just get to best buy and they still don't have phones on display for customers to see. I think best buys having a dedicated nexus booth would help immensely.
Does Worst Buy I mean Best Buy actually have the 6P on display in the store ? My local Best Buy's around Chicago, have a very tiny little Google section off in the corner, and no phones, just the Chrome notebooks, not even the HTC 9 Tablet. So not sure what those Google sections in BB are for if they don't even carry or display the main Nexus devices ?
I agree with OP's opinion, people just DON'T KNOW about these Nexus phones.
There was an article recently stating that Google wants to take more direct control of the Nexus phones, and copy Apple and the iPhone.
Look at the iPhone, it's sold at all major phone carriers stores, with subsidized payments plans. And Apple updates the iPhone whenever the hell they need to, and NEVER let the carriers get in the way of an iOS update. The carriers are sort of agnostic to it.
Google can do the same thing with the Nexus phones just like Apple and the iPhone with complete direct control.
And Jordan used to say "Just do it"
Here in Canada, the Nexus 6p was the best deal on a phone through Telus. $200 for the 6p on a 2yr plan, but $300 or $400 for the Note 5. So it actually was discounted, and made the most sense.
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Here in Canada, the Nexus 6p was the best deal on a phone through Telus. $200 for the 6p on a 2yr plan, but $300 or $400 for the Note 5. So it actually was discounted, and made the most sense.
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or $0 for some of us on Black Friday
I was actually able to get a 6P because it was supplied by O2. Otherwise I wouldn't have got one, I like to have it part of my phone contract. Most people in the UK have phones on contract.
I'm happily with T-Mobile, and on their JoD ( Jump on Demand ) program, and expected the Nexus 6P would be available on T-Mobile of all carriers, because they have been the only carrier to support the Nexus phone line from the very beginning, selling the Nexus-One, and stocking and selling the Nexus-S, Nexus 4, Nexus 5, and Nexus 6.
For me it makes zero sense to spend $600 with Google to get the 6P, when on JoD program, so I just used my one of three upgrades on the Note 5, which I rooted and installed a great custom ROM, and this phone screams But I would prefer the Nexus 6P. But at this point, with the 6P being almost 5 months old, I'll just wait for a nice SD820 phone, like the G5 ( with CM13 ROM ) or something else.
It's no surprise that they aren't selling well - they're mediocre phones selling at premium prices. I lol at anyone who buys a nexus - and feel sorry for them too.
The (2013) Nexus 5 was $399 at launch, and had pretty much flagships high end spec's at the time, it was a super deal. Now the 5X comes out at a similar price but with lesser budget spec's. WTF Google ?
Sales, marketing, distribution, and support are intertwined. Any expectation Google has/had about 2015 sales would be determined by their investments in those things as well as the depth of each category.
Huawei has no U.S. support infrastructure and doesn’t even have the facility to offer owners paid non-warranty repairs. I’m sure that played in to the U.S. carrier’s decision not to offer the 6P. Folks that view Nexus as just another phone have to really want one to live with limited support or be forced in to buying a warranty for non-warranty repairs even if they don’t normally.
Without the U.S. carrier’s offering the phone where are mainstream consumers going to buy it? 67% of smartphones sold in the U.S. are on carrier post-paid plans (installment and contract). The majority of the rest are low-end prepaid smartphones purchased outright. The percentage of people buying their own $500+ high-end smartphones outright via third parties is probably in the single digit percentages; at least in the U.S. With limited distribution Google has to have known the consequences of the phones being offered via so few channels.
Google ran a bunch of nicely produced ads randomly on U.S. TV. They probably spent 1/100th of what Samsung spends on their own advertising and in co-ops with the carriers. What’s that supposed to do for sales of a phone only available online and at some Best Buys?
What problem does the 6P solve for the masses that don’t know (or care) about “pure” and regular updates? To the masses TW is Android based on Samsung’s market penetration so the absence of it and its features could be viewed as a deficit not a benefit. Nexus make XDA'rs wet, not so much the masses.
If the 6P isn’t selling well it isn’t because it’s a bad phone it’s that Google’s expectations weren’t realistic in the first place.
The only growth left in phones/tablets is to peel users from competitors. And there's only so much that can be done with UI/UX to set yourself apart. The OEM's have understood this for a while that's why they're making forays into wearables, virtual reality, and driverless cars. I say this because it makes it clear that if Google wants to increase sales of their Nexus line, they have 1 choice: lower the price. Two nexus devices released at the same time both priced too high is a recipe for disaster. There were basically no compelling upgrade reasons except for niche enthusiasts. Luckily for Google (Alphabet), they're an advertising company and not a hardware OEM. So as device sales slow across the board (even iPhone) they are better positioned than most
What are the flaws you find with the 6P as opposed to other premium Android phones?
Bad phone, mediocre phone, are you guys kidding? This is the best android phone. Period! But of course many people prefer pay more for a samsung or something!
Is too bad Google stopped the GPE program, would love to see GPE based phones like the S7, and G5 this Spring, those flagship phones running stock vanilla Android, directly supported by Google, and sold through carrier plans.
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It's no surprise that they aren't selling well - they're mediocre phones selling at premium prices. I lol at anyone who buys a nexus - and feel sorry for them too.
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So, do you actually own one? I didn't think so. If you had used a 6p you would not be saying it was a mediocre phone. It is actually, all in all, the best phone on the market for daily driver use right now. I am currently living in Paraguay, a country with bad overloaded cell phone networks, where most people who can afford smartphones are pretty much locked into Samsung by the carriers here. The radio in my 6p is SO much better than the weak Samsung radios. The battery lasts all day in conditions where I am constantly going in and out of signal areas. Just my point of view, but the problem with these phones is not the phones themselves, but Googles marketing. Of course, I am buying it for the phone and not the marketing...
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This is the best android phone. Period!
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It is actually, all in all, the best phone on the market for daily driver use right now.
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For a niche audience of hobbiests and purists. Even where Nexi were offered by major global carriers along side other premium phones, some more expensive, Nexus sales never came close to competitive phones sales wise if they made a dent at all. The things that push people's buttons on XDA don't represent the masses view. A billion smartphones were sold last year. There are 360K active XDA members over the last 30 days. As @crachel said, the smartphone phone market has matured and even those with recognized names and a loyal customer base are struggling. HTC, Sony, and LG all lost money in mobile last quarter.
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There were basically no compelling upgrade reasons except for niche enthusiasts.
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We have a winner.