I just started to think...apple basically sues everyone that make android phones, i´ve already heard of single one of them, more notorious samsung and htc, but motorola, lg, and others got a little suing here and there, but not sony, or sony ericsson.
Is the android section of sony harmless to apple or maybe, since sony is one of the biggest and oldest eletronics company in the world, hav a patent portfolio that makes them sue-proof? or even worst, a gentlemen´s agreement with apple like you don´t sue me and i don´t sue you?
Legal injunctions are so "in" these days, i feel our phones are being left out of the party!
Android is way different then (cr)Apple
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Pandemic said:
Android is way different then (cr)Apple
sent from my Xperia Neo V with supercharged 587, do you have that? i hope not xD
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Ok, didnt understand what u mean, apple actually banned lots of samsung android phones from the US a few days ago, based on patent infrigements... and theres legal disputes everywhere in the world...
Its different, of course, but IOS uses a linux kernel just like android... linux dominates the world!
I was wondering the same thing the other day... I really don't know... it could be that Sony is one of the hardware suppliers for the iPhone but so is Samsung... maybe they find it pointless to sue Sony because US carriers don't have Sony phones! only the ion for now, and it isn't a threat to the iPhone!
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Sony has a large number of patents. Music playing, file formats, technology. This all become with Sony first walkmans. Sony also acquired Ericssons technology. So Apple would be careful to sue Sony. Usually in this situations, the exchange of technology follows a really amicable basis.
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I was wondering the same thing the other day... I really don't know... it could be that Sony is one of the hardware suppliers for the iPhone but so is Samsung... maybe they find it pointless to sue Sony because US carriers don't have Sony phones! only the ion for now, and it isn't a threat to the iPhone!
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Poor us citizens...never saw the awesome design, nice hardware, open source support and affordable price of our neo...
for me, Sony is untouchable with regards to suing and sh**..
apple can't do anything about it.
-if they sue sony, no more media for apple
Sony have some of the oldiest patents rember Sony video recorders company's tryed and failed to sue them then over copying films
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I just started to think...apple basically sues everyone that make android phones, i´ve already heard of single one of them, more notorious samsung and htc, but motorola, lg, and others got a little suing here and there, but not sony, or sony ericsson.
Is the android section of sony harmless to apple or maybe, since sony is one of the biggest and oldest eletronics company in the world, hav a patent portfolio that makes them sue-proof? or even worst, a gentlemen´s agreement with apple like you don´t sue me and i don´t sue you?
Legal injunctions are so "in" these days, i feel our phones are being left out of the party!
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About a year ago I read somewhere that Sony (then Ericsson) holds more than 6,000 patents related to smartphones, and they have agreements with other manufacturers such as Apple and Microsoft.
“Apart from our own 6,000 patents, we’re licensed to use the combined patent portfolios of both our owners, Sony and Ericsson,” said Nordberg. This means that it can normally solve patent issues via cross licensing arrangements i.e. using other manufacturer’s patents in exchange for SE technology.
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About a year ago I read somewhere that Sony (then Ericsson) holds more than 6,000 patents related to smartphones, and they have agreements with other manufacturers such as Apple and Microsoft.
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Apple even used the Arc as an argument against the generic design of the Galaxy phones, so in terms of design it's also highly unlikely.
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Ok, didnt understand what u mean, apple actually banned lots of samsung android phones from the US a few days ago, based on patent infrigements... and theres legal disputes everywhere in the world...
Its different, of course, but IOS uses a linux kernel just like android... linux dominates the world!
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Dude Sammy's phone are banned not caz of android caz of Design & it all ....get the info & talk
A new trend is now LIVE..
Sue him sue her.... And apple is the dean of the sue grp...
Siny phones... Very less are interested in thm... The world is unpredictible and can change trends in a flash b4 u cn say XDA
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Dude Sammy's phone are banned not caz of android caz of Design & it all ....get the info & talk
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I´ve seen the whole list from jason mick in the dailytech blog...and some are for design and others for software behavior... like the infamous slide to unlock(wich has prior art), but anyway, i know what i´m talking about, and i´m sure that apple´s legal department can find lots of things to sue sony(not that they have the right to, but they can), IF they want to, and that´s what we ´re talking about here...
The Samsung phones being sued for software behaviour are sued because they use Touchwiz...since Sony uses a different launcher they're not going to get sued for the same thing.
Probably First SmartPhone was released by Sony Ericsson - SE p990 .. which was a big hit in the market ... so they are miles away from Apple!! ... Actually Apple uses Samsung's TFT and LCD AMOLED Screens.... there can be loss in near future
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Even apple can be sued for NOTIFICATION STUFF?? WHY NOT?
I mean if small concept of LOCKSCREEN OF APPLE can sue SAMSUNG then GOOGLE should SUE APPLE for taking their idea of Notification bar in iOs5 ...
I knew it...
I knew there was an explanation for this...
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=29640
Cheers mates!!
The patents over which Apple's suing Samsung are quite baseless
But I really think that Samsung is trying to copy Apple's products
S voice is a complete rip off Siri
Ace and s2 look too similar to iPhone
Samsung is even going to release a cloud service like apple.
Even in some of its commercials compare S3 with iPhone
Some more I can't remember right now
Just my opinion
No offense
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The patents over which Apple's suing Samsung are quite baseless
But I really think that Samsung is trying to copy Apple's products
Just my opinion
No offense
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I agree with you. I'm not a fan of any of those two companies, but no matter how much i hate Apple,i have to agree that Samsung is Apple wannabe.
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Yes. Due to Ericsson's protection!
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LeoSquizz said:
I just started to think...apple basically sues everyone that make android phones, i´ve already heard of single one of them, more notorious samsung and htc, but motorola, lg, and others got a little suing here and there, but not sony, or sony ericsson.
Is the android section of sony harmless to apple or maybe, since sony is one of the biggest and oldest eletronics company in the world, hav a patent portfolio that makes them sue-proof? or even worst, a gentlemen´s agreement with apple like you don´t sue me and i don´t sue you?
Legal injunctions are so "in" these days, i feel our phones are being left out of the party!
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Apple and Steve Jobs took inspiration from Sony openly stated in US court...
Source:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/07/27/apple-took-inspiration-from-sony-when-designing-the-iphone/
Statement:
Sony has a great design heritage, us Xperia owners know that having used some great mobile handsets over the last few years. This includes the Xperia NXT handsets, Xperia arc (a design classic in our eyes), Xperia mini and Xperia ray. Also who can forgot one of the brilliant Sony Ericsson handsets, the T68i. However, Sony has a history of great design overall, whether it be for their slim Walkmans, the monolithic Bravia TVs or their Vaio laptops.
Given this legacy, it is interesting to note that Apple took inspiration from Sony when designing the iPhone. This information has surfaced in the ongoing patent infringement battle between Samsung and Apple. Samsung’s argument is that even if they did take inspiration on some aspects of their mobile design from Apple, Apple has done the same in the past and that this practise is commonplace in the consumer electronics market.
An Apple designer, Shin Nishibori, was asked to create “Sony-like” concepts of phones that carried the name “SONY” and “JONY”. The pictures were created around a year before the iPhone first
It is public knowledge that Steve Jobs admired Sony and when brain-storming ideas for the iPhone he even asked one of the designers: “What would Sony do?” It’s quite clear from looking at the pictures that these concepts look nothing like any Sony products that were on the market at the time and in fact they bear a stronger resemblance to the
Let’s hope that Sony continues this strong emphasis on design, which many have looked up to, in future Xperia handsets. Both Apple and Samsung will begin their trial in front of a jury on Monday 30 July. The case is 11-01846 in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California in San Jose.
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I was just reading this article and wanted to see what our community thinks about it...
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112989/brands-disappear-2012-247
With them unlocking the newer phones seems like a way to try to keep alive...
Meh. They've been in trouble for a while now in my opinion. Their phones have been alright but none of them really stand out anymore. Even the Play fell far short of what it could have been (seriously, all they needed to do was release with ff7 on there and they would have killed it ).
It'll be a shame if it happens but it's possible if things don't pick up for them .
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Xperia arc - best single core phone that money can buy.
Well thats the sad part. Play was supposed to be like their ACE under the hand but... Just fell short... I hope they REALLY start listening to us and it looks like they are starting like rolling out the X10 update. If they want to survive there ginna have to adapt...
that would be sad =( hopefully this doesn't happen. SE deserves much more than this.
Just crap xD
Its funny how you can see a video to compare xperia arc and the super duper trooper SGS2 and the experia Arc with single core its basically the same phone xD
SE always got phones that looks at least 1 year older than competence (hardware) but they always do the same and sometimes do better that some ultra super duper phones.
I dont think SE will come down that way =P
Sorry for my bad english! _o/
I think they're wrong...
If you go by handset numbers then yes, they're selling fewer. But Q4 in 2008 they had a 184 million euro loss. Just to compare, SE had an 8 million euro profit in Q4 2010.
Yeah, not much but a huge change and profitable. If it wasn't for Android, I don't think there would be an SE anymore :O
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i think they're wrong...
If you go by handset numbers then yes, they're selling fewer. But q4 in 2008 they had a 184 million euro loss. Just to compare, se had an 8 million euro profit in q4 2010.
Yeah, not much but a huge change and profitable. If it wasn't for android, i don't think there would be an se anymore
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yup... That symbian os was holding them back...
read the article more carefully people, they'll drop the Ericsson name and call it just Sony, they're not going out of business yet.
It won´t happen so many time hearing this rummors i think that SE is upgrading the strategy they went through a very bad year in 2010 but now it seems to be different they are giving the costomers a very good catalog in phones and with verry good quality a little more time and SE will be at the top again you´ll see that
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I was just reading this article and wanted to see what our community thinks about it...
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112989/brands-disappear-2012-247
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I wouldn't put that much stock into these yearly articles released by 24/7 Wall St. More than half the time they are completely wrong, and the times they are 'right' are because of predictions based on corporate events that will lead to inevitable happenings anyway.
I think they are totally off the mark regarding Sony Pictures. Sony would never give up Sony Pictures. They wanted in the motion picture and television businesses so they could be deeper in the entertainment industry ecosystem beyond just technology.
24/7 Wall St.'s prediction for Sony Ericsson most likely came from analyst articles like this one:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110524/tc_nm/us_sony_ericsson
SE is, at least, making money again, and they are releasing more and more Android products. As long as they continue cover the entire spectrum of high- to mid- to low-end Android phones, people will buy. I don't think they will ever be #1 in market share or even close to it. But I doubt Sony Ericsson would ever be absorbed into the main Sony brand. As long as they are in the top ten and profitable (like the VAIO line which is forever in the bottom-five of the top ten PC brands and usually eeks out smallish profits), they will be around.
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I wouldn't put that much stock into these yearly articles released by 24/7 Wall St. More than half the time they are completely wrong, and the times they are 'right' are because of predictions based on corporate events that will lead to inevitable happenings anyway.
I think they are totally off the mark regarding Sony Pictures. Sony would never give up Sony Pictures. They wanted in the motion picture and television businesses so they could be deeper in the entertainment industry ecosystem beyond just technology.
24/7 Wall St.'s prediction for Sony Ericsson most likely came from analyst articles like this one:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110524/tc_nm/us_sony_ericsson
SE is, at least, making money again, and they are releasing more and more Android products. As long as they continue cover the entire spectrum of high- to mid- to low-end Android phones, people will buy. I don't think they will ever be #1 in market share or even close to it. But I doubt Sony Ericsson would ever be absorbed into the main Sony brand. As long as they are in the top ten and profitable (like the VAIO line which is forever in the bottom-five of the top ten PC brands and usually eeks out smallish profits), they will be around.
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I think when SE will get a lil more profit, they will start releasing better phones. But I don't care anymore I'm moving to HTC/Samsung for my next phone.
I was just reading this and I'm like wtf?
If only HTC makes a better camera and Samsung not mimicking the iOS..
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Xperia arc - best single core phone that money can buy.
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no one wants a single core phone in an age of dual cores. Only the style over substance crowd will buy the arc but they are not enough to generate large enough sales. Plus apple have that segment of the market pretty much sealed up. regarding the article, I don't think it would be such a bad idea for SE to take total control of things. ericsson in my opinion are just holding them back.
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no one wants a single core phone in an age of dual cores. Only the style over substance crowd will buy the arc but they are not enough to generate large enough sales. Plus apple have that segment of the market pretty much sealed up.
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agreed looks wise there nice but in terms of performance i can name a few that are better.
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that would be sad =( hopefully this doesn't happen. SE deserves much more than this.
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They say you get what you deserve in life. They have themselves completely to blame for all their troubles.
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no one wants a single core phone in an age of dual cores. Only the style over substance crowd will buy the arc but they are not enough to generate large enough sales. Plus apple have that segment of the market pretty much sealed up. regarding the article, I don't think it would be such a bad idea for SE to take total control of things. ericsson in my opinion are just holding them back.
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A dual core phone is nothing unless the software is designed to take advantage of it, which is currently the case. Google has stated that Honeycomb is the only version of Android that supports multiple threads/CPUs.
So until Google updates the phone OS to support it don't buy into the gimmick.
SE phones are usually Expensive with Not lastest hardwares.watch price of Xperia arc and SG2 .... samsung is much cheaper and have last hardwares.definitely my next phone will be HTC/samsung
http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/10/06/sony-close-to-buying-out-ericsson-from-jv/
Sony Ericsson turned 10 years old, and now Sony is rumoured to be about to buy out Ericsson (25,000 patents, major employer)...so...will they keep the name and logo? Sony Ericsson? Or will Ericsson fully disappear and Sony returns to the mobile marketplace? Wow...Ericsson to be bought out by Sony.....
Never heard about something like that...
It would be strange ... Just see "Sony" on my phone...
Do you have any websites that speak of that ?
Check the link! It's a good link! A credible source!
And yes, Sony launched their own phones many years ago, but didn't get much market share.
Seems to be serious the picture let me think we won't have the green logo any more ?
Aw, sad... Anyway i'm waiting the Defy+ in France
This rumour has been in the evening press here in sweden a couple of days ago, seems like the economic journalists that i have read means that it is most logical that sony buys ericsson out, and both will probably be winners if this happens.
I am not so sure, thinking that ericsson has been making phones (stationary and mobiles) for almost an eternity and much of ericssons identity will be lost if this happens, but i am not an expert, more likely a noob
As a Swede, you opinion is very important...I believe Ericsson has been around a long time and is a very well respected company.
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As a Swede, you opinion is very important...I believe Ericsson has been around a long time and is a very well respected company.
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The first phone i remember from my childhood was a ericsson (stationary of course), but this is around 40 years ago
My father was working at the swedish national tele company (televerket was its name at that time, now its namned telia) and the ericsson logo was almost everywere at our home, and on cable drums, cables, phones etc.
So ericsson means a lot for many swedes i think, the only company that is more swedish than ericsson is volvo i guess, and volvo is really close to many hearts in this country
personally i rather drive saab , but the best mobile i have own was ericsson r310s
If they merge and Sony comes into the scene, maybe they are expecting some rise in the market. These guys are not up to the top notch like samsung or moto (or even apple!).
SE had a good chance to show the world who they are but they did not. im sorry to put the fans down here in the forum but i feel they should change.
I wonder if they will still stay the same after they change.....? My goodness! it's time i change to another phone, cause we are history!
(just my thoughts above, not to put anyone down)
Yes, I'm concerned because Sony's previous venture into the mobile market was unsuccessful. They had some OK phones but never got much market share. So they want to try again? What's new? If they try the same things again...it would be a waste.
I don't think all the innovation in SE today is coming from Sony. Some things yes, they are obvious e.g. Bravia, Walkman etc. but Ericsson has been doing this for decades, and they have frequently put out unique phones and earned good money and market. But I guess something's not working well in the joint venture today. SE might be selling well in Europe (3rd biggest Android seller in the 6 biggest markets) but global market share I read a few days ago is at about 1.5%. So indeed...something's not working well. And I still can't figure out what SE did when the iPhone came in 2007 and changed the marketplace. SE's share just died, like Nokia is today.
I am hopeful too though. Maybe they will do it well. Who knows. But, Sony products are quite expensive...
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But, Sony products are quite expensive...
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Then thats the time we will do the new transition of changing to another phone!
i dont own a ps3 or psp, but i like the hardware and stuff Sony uses in them. we expected the same with the phone industry and nothing new came. the new phones come to mock the devs or the rivals. look at the samsung galaxy 2, something that had lot of pep power with dual core 1.2...etc. at the same time our guys released the Arc which is just a updated version of the X10. Meaningless! SE is still in their rock ages while all the rivals are in the 21st century!
It's always sad whenever i read articles by Eldar Murtazin from mobile-review.com, i have to put thumbs down for SE because they are not upto the top notch.
but even through all these negatives i have to agree i have a lot of experience with SE. dad first had a K700i, then a P1i, now my W705i. I had a Moto V3i, then upgraded to W705i then i passed to my dad and got this X10 Mini Pro.
i loved the easiness of the software. even through all the negatives, i liked it.
Still, they would have improved all these years.....
Really sad about these guys...
well, we will wait and see.
Evolve or die and i guess it's se time to die. It's a shame because their phones had a great design but it's kind of expected because their mid and low range phones were pieces of ****. They had some great phones like K800i the x10 mini with great specs and value for money but with zero respect for their supporters as we saw on the X10, mini, pro support, they had us stuck at 1.6 and they gave us an 2.1 when the rest of the world had 2.2.
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Evolve or die and i guess it's se time to die. It's a shame because their phones had a great design but it's kind of expected because their mid and low range phones were pieces of ****. They had some great phones like K800i the x10 mini with great specs and value for money but with zero respect for their supporters as we saw on the X10, mini, pro support, they had us stuck at 1.6 and they gave us an 2.1 when the rest of the world had 2.2.
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Could not agree more. I was really angry about lack of support on this and even locked bootloader so nobody could make custom kernel.
marada123 said:
Could not agree more. I was really angry about lack of support on this and even locked bootloader so nobody could make custom kernel.
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Why is it that a company, joint venture of course, but a company none the less that did quite well up until the smartphone era, failed so badly when it came to the new generation of tech? I mean its not even about their hardware, its more about the support they gave us, mainly on the 2010 xperia range? How did they benefit from anything they have done in the past say 2-3 years?
Personally i love my mimmi, its a great phone, but i think that its time to let go of the past and look to the future, maybe HTC.
Just my 2 cents,
cheers,
Evil.
i think this is great news actually!!
when one company takes over another sizable company, usually they leave their identity and work culture etc independant.. they only replace the badge on the front door of the company... so we'll probably still get SE phones... just with "Sony" written on the front
For sony it's great cause they now can stand up to the mighty iphone (possibly even fight back).. for Ericsson, I dunno their financial situation but they should now have full Sony backing... they will not have an identity in the smartphone region... hopefully sony doesnt meddle too much with the ericsson development office and they should be fine.
the only people affected will be the swedes... suddenly they'll be out of Ericsson phones!!!
It has been announced, Sony is buying out Ericsson in the mobile joint venture.
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...ire-ericsson-s-share-of-sony-ericsson-1036892
Yes, and i think that i sucks...
But hopefully Sony starts to make really great phones, i believe that ST-ericson will stand behind them......
M.v.h bomrk44
It must be said though that Sony used to make phones too, about 10 years ago. They were relatively slick and some unique features, but they did not get much market share. So, I'm not convinced they'll do a better go the second time.
However, in their new statment Sony talked about connecting the whole family of Sony products. This is exactly like what Apple has done (and has more planned) and Microsoft is doing (connecting Windows, Windows Phone 7, Xbox) etc. so just maybe Sony will pull it off this time.
Two things about Sony phones that I don't look forward to:
1. Proprietary 'closed' formats
2. Typical Sony high prices. I read a recent article pointing out that you should never expect a cheaper Sony laptop - it doesn't fit in with their brand portfolio, place in the market etc.
In my opinion Sony can try to connect Playstation with smartphones like Microsoft connect Xbox Live with Windows Phone..
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Releasing so many phones they cant keep up with the update process. They continue to release phones on outdated firmware it's absolutely ridiculous. Why the hell are they even releasing THAT many phones? Seems like sony must beat samsung in the no. of phones made. Nobody learned from apple it seems, keep it simple, keep it organised and have an uncluttered portfolio of products that you have the resources to support in a timely and efficient manner.
At this rate sony may not exist 5 years down the road, they can only bear the losses for that long and with such poor management I dont have much hope to be honest.
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Releasing so many phones they cant keep up with the update process. They continue to release phones on outdated firmware it's absolutely ridiculous. Why the hell are they even releasing THAT many phones? Seems like sony must beat samsung in the no. of phones made. Nobody learned from apple it seems, keep it simple, keep it organised and have an uncluttered portfolio of products that you have the resources to support in a timely and efficient manner.
At this rate sony may not exist 5 years down the road, they can only bear the losses for that long and with such poor management I dont have much hope to be honest.
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Problem?
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Whos lost it
Seems we ha e a resident business expert.
I will send your details to Howard stringer.
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I totally agree with him. It's pointless, they're doing the same mistake as HTC. You should learn from other people's mistake, not repeat them.
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Galaxen said:
I totally agree with him. It's pointless, they're doing the same mistake as HTC. You should learn from other people's mistake, not repeat them.
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They are learning. The new Sony devices are T, TX, V, J. The only difference between T and TX is LTE, so it's basically one flagship, V is midrange, J is low end. Three devices, end of story. The older devices (fujis, montblancs) were designed before the Sony merger and the strategy change. Of course, they could just scrap the devices they spent time and effort designing, but that would be a bit insane huh.
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They are learning. The new Sony devices are T, TX, V, J. The only difference between T and TX is LTE, so it's basically one flagship, V is midrange, J is low end. Three devices, end of story. The older devices (fujis, montblancs) were designed before the Sony merger and the strategy change. Of course, they could just scrap the devices they spent time and effort designing, but that would be a bit insane huh.
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couldn't agree more
K900 said:
They are learning. The new Sony devices are T, TX, V, J. The only difference between T and TX is LTE, so it's basically one flagship, V is midrange, J is low end. Three devices, end of story. The older devices (fujis, montblancs) were designed before the Sony merger and the strategy change. Of course, they could just scrap the devices they spent time and effort designing, but that would be a bit insane huh.
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Companies regularly scrap designs with a startegy change, this is only hurting sony and diluting the brand. Nobody said they should scrap all designs but atleast stop releasing duplicated phones.
Tell me again what is the purpose for the existence of the xperia sola AND xperia U? You dont just make devices with a price difference of $20 in the name of choice, that strategy just brings more problems than good.
Why on earth did they release they xperia neo L??
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony-phones-7.php
And xperia V isnt a mid range phone, there is simply not enough differentiation between the T and V, one of them shouldnt exist most certainly the V since it is high end phone with gimped internal memory.
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Tell me again what is the purpose for the existence of the xperia sola AND xperia U? You dont just make devices with a price difference of $20 in the name of choice, that strategy just brings more problems than good.
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How? If they only release the Sola and no-one likes it, they don't get any money. If they release the U too and people like that, they atleast get money from that.
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Companies regularly scrap designs with a startegy change, this is only hurting sony and diluting the brand. Nobody said they should scrap all designs but atleast stop releasing duplicated phones.
Tell me again what is the purpose for the existence of the xperia sola AND xperia U? You dont just make devices with a price difference of $20 in the name of choice, that strategy just brings more problems than good.
Why on earth did they release they xperia neo L??
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony-phones-7.php
And xperia V isnt a mid range phone, there is simply not enough differentiation between the T and V, one of them shouldnt exist most certainly the V since it is high end phone with gimped internal memory.
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Xperia sola is, in my opinion, more like a mid range phone, whereas U is a mid low one. (At least from what I can see). And both have different publics. The XU is more for people who wants a good phone, but not big and not so expensive. I didn't saw Sola here in Brazil yet, but U was released with S, on June.
Xperia neo L is meant for the chinese public, mostly.
V has a somewhat smaller screen, with water proof, and a different design. But both are high end. See the T/TX as the Galaxy Note and the V as the S2.
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Companies regularly scrap designs with a startegy change, this is only hurting sony and diluting the brand. Nobody said they should scrap all designs but atleast stop releasing duplicated phones.
Tell me again what is the purpose for the existence of the xperia sola AND xperia U? You dont just make devices with a price difference of $20 in the name of choice, that strategy just brings more problems than good.
Why on earth did they release they xperia neo L??
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony-phones-7.php
And xperia V isnt a mid range phone, there is simply not enough differentiation between the T and V, one of them shouldnt exist most certainly the V since it is high end phone with gimped internal memory.
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Still, it's three devices, no more. Also, Sony's 'low end' phones are not really that low end, they're somewhere in 'just about midrange' category.
Maybe sony is trying to increase its products under "SONY" and not under "SONY ERICSSON "...?
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Maybe sony is trying to increase its products under "SONY" and not under "SONY ERICSSON "...?
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No. Under the 'Sony' branding they're going to be releasing way less devices than they did before.
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Releasing so many phones they cant keep up with the update process. They continue to release phones on outdated firmware it's absolutely ridiculous. Why the hell are they even releasing THAT many phones? Seems like sony must beat samsung in the no. of phones made. Nobody learned from apple it seems, keep it simple, keep it organised and have an uncluttered portfolio of products that you have the resources to support in a timely and efficient manner.
At this rate sony may not exist 5 years down the road, they can only bear the losses for that long and with such poor management I dont have much hope to be honest.
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Agree
Plus since the had do many devices to update the officials firmware releases had many bugs
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Sony thinks they are Apple... New model everybody goes like crazy buying new models.
This is Android, no one cares about new phones, just Good ones.
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Sony thinks they are Apple... New model everybody goes like crazy buying new models.
This is Android, no one cares about new phones, just Good ones.
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Do you realize that not everyone has money to buy the high end phones, right? There is a need for low and mid end phones.
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Sony thinks they are Apple... New model everybody goes like crazy buying new models.
This is Android, no one cares about new phones, just Good ones.
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They don't think they are Apple. They tried to get their target audience as wide as possible, but failed, just like HTC did before them. Now they're recovering, and IMO they caught up now.
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They don't think they are Apple. They tried to get their target audience as wide as possible, but failed, just like HTC did before them. Now they're recovering, and IMO they caught up now.
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That is true I think.
And there is no Android manufacturer which could be really successful in delivering best updates
to all of their phones.
Sadly.
doministry said:
That is true I think.
And there is no Android manufacturer which could be really successful in delivering best updates
to all of their phones.
Sadly.
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There is a way... It's called AOSP. But I don't think most vendors are ready to kill custom skins yet.
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No. Under the 'Sony' branding they're going to be releasing way less devices than they did before.
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The evidence points to the contrary. Already in 2012 "sony" has released more phones than "sony ericsson" did in entire 2011.
We heard the same thing about HTC sticking to one X, S and V but then they released loads of other crap as well.
Sony Xperia phones now 3rd highest seller internationally
http://tinyurl.com/ae3adwb (Wall Street Journal)
Sony is 2nd highest in the United Kingdom
http://tinyurl.com/co6wcep (Talk Android)
I guess Sony is back with a vengeance. I like many things that Apple and Samsung bring to the mobile market, but I'm tired of watching this duopoly develop, so I'm glad to see more competition and a disruption to that dupoply. I don't know where all you guys live, but where I live, almost ALL of the Samsung phones are almost as expensive as the Apple ones and at that they are all black retangular boring objects with NO differentiation. I'm glad to see NEW price points, COLOUR and CHOICE. Sadly, HTC, Sharp and others seem to have been falling apart in the last couple of years so any more competition is good.
(As for the resources, if you Google the stories you'll find a resource that you may prefer, these two were more credible for me.)
They are beautiful devices, I'm now on my third and my next Phone no doubt will be one.
That's me too, I own products from all of the major companies and really enjoy them, but I think Sony's on to something with these phones, and the sales stats. suggest the same too.
Love the Sony phones (have four of them). Never been a fan of HTC and Samsung just feels cheap (though they have nice software additions). Next years Sony devices are going to kick ass too.
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next year I may purchase a sony nexus
If a Sony nexus comes.. It will be a no-brainer for me....i love Sony products... This is my 4th phone 4m Sony.. Never been disappointed....
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This is very good news indeed. I've always felt that Sony and the Xperia range have never received the recognition they deserve like the way Apple and Samsung do. Some people buy iPhones and S3s and Note 2s just because of the name. Good to see people finally coming to their senses. Xperias ftw
yeaaahhh... This is real story, my friend sold his Galaxy W and he asked me which Sony phone is the best with a budget around Rp 3 million
and I suggest him to buy Xperia P..
It's a prove that Sony is back and I proud have my Sola... :highfive:
Yeah xperias become really popular,no one wants Samsung becuase their phones are ugly and expensive (not Apple expensive) but still my country goes two Europe lower midlle part so price is really important (i cant understand how americans could be poor when everything is much cheaper is their country and still have much bigger pay) for example my cousing who never had Smartphone (of ANY kind) want to buy Xperia Miro so he asked me is it good,well I told him to go with Xperia Mini or Live but he insisted,not sure why.This is just proof that their sales are going up because good design and cheap prices.Just to warn I see many Samsugn-Apple fanboys not reccomending Sony because of 2010 Xperia fiasco but they never had any Sony phone.I cant understand who could buy Samsung phones,they are ugly and have problems+one of worst update support,but it looks they are upgrading Novathor devices to JB so Sony must to then because that could really get effect to their sales.
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I agree with all of you.
I had an Xperia S, and now i have an Xperia P.....is the sexiest smartphone on the market IMHO. I selled XS just because was too big and heavy for my pockets....just the battery is less durable....but overall i like more than XS.
Another good thing from Sony are the updates that generally are quite frequent and good instead of other brands (who said LG ? ).
How exciting. I can't wait to see what Sony offers in the future.
Yeah, lots of tech. sites are speculating that Sony is ramping up it's software and updates now that it's getting so much positive media attention. I cannot believe how popular the latest Bond phone is...
p.s. I put this in the general news section of Android on XDA. This is news of a major Android OEM. But it was stuffed in this corner. That p**** me off sometimes.
Thats what they call as categorisation
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Well,everybody that are not Sony user keep complaining that Sony doesn't use quad core device and says dual core device is low end devices....and I was like "Dafuq dude..."...Smartphone is a phone,not a computer...
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Well,everybody that are not Sony user keep complaining that Sony doesn't use quad core device and says dual core device is low end devices....and I was like "Dafuq dude..."...Smartphone is a phone,not a computer...
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Also xperia t competed well against quad core sgs3
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Sony has a long way to go...hope we get a Sony Nexus NXT year!!!
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Yeah, initially Sony made some public comments that they were not rushing into multiple cores (over a year ago) because smartphones 'had no use for them'. Now, if they perform well with fewer or a single core, I agree. Many cores to me is like too many megapixels, there is more to a good camera than megapixels, no?
To be honest, I do not see any performance boost on my dual core Sola than any of my previous single core phones. And yes, I would *love* to see a Sony Nexus. It should have been the Bond phone! Imagine the Bond phone which is so popular getting Nexus status? Actually, if you Google this, Sony Ericsson declined Google's invitation to be an early Nexus device OEM. Bert Norberg said something about 'we're not that kind of OEM', right before sales and profits tanked.
I know Sony has said there are no plans for a Tablet S upgrade, but I was wondering on your thoughts about if they might change their mind. Really hoping on it, personally. I'll keep my fingers crossed; all this tab needs is JB.
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There wont be JB update for Tablet S. Sony are so lazy, it took them almost a year to release 4.1.1, i doubt they will work on JB for the S (although its generally the same)...
As ubichon said, I highly doubt there'll be a JB update for Tablet S. Not only did it take almost a year for the Xperia Tab S, but the fact that TS was a 2011 device makes it even less feasible. No Xperia device from 2011 got JB
If they would open up the dang bootloader then devs would prob do it. I mean there's ICS and JB roms for the xplay even though Sony never updated anything since GB
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Someone know why sony dont unleash the s1 ?
hyrk said:
Someone know why sony dont unleash the s1 ?
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Too much effort. Porting JB to S1 can be seen as 'waste of time and resources' when the xperia tablet z is almost out, and maintenance of an old tablet by VAIO isn't high on the priority list for their department (and understandably so, since VAIO doesn't specialise in tabs but rather computers, and S1 is 2 years old)
Simply business
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Too much effort. Porting JB to S1 can be seen as 'waste of time and resources' when the xperia tablet z is almost out, and maintenance of an old tablet by VAIO isn't high on the priority list for their department (and understandably so, since VAIO doesn't specialise in tabs but rather computers, and S1 is 2 years old)
Simply business
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Unlocking the bootloader would surely not take much effort...would be a proper sendoff for the original Tablet S anyways. Not really a sendoff because it would only be the beginning...
I'm not buying another Sony phone or tablet ever again!
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I'm not buying another Sony phone or tablet ever again!
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You sir, are an imbecile, if this is simply based off of your experience with either of the Tablet S's. No offense.
Sony phones have always been made by the Ericsson/Sony Mobile team, which has been very speedy with updates (as of last year and this year) and has always supported the Android community wholeheartedly. In fact, Sony was named OEM of the year by this very site. The reason the Tablet S's have had horrible support is due to the fact that they are managed by an understaffed VAIO team that never was focusing on Android products in the first place.
But wait! There is good news! The Xperia Tablet Z, which is set to be Sony's next flagship tablet, is being developed by the Mobile team! So we can expect awesome support, unlocked bootloaders, etc.
Don't hate on Sony on the Android front; they've been quite amazing at supporting the community since last year-ish (maybe longer).
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You sir, are an imbecile, if this is simply based off of your experience with either of the Tablet S's. No offense.
Sony phones have always been made by the Ericsson/Sony Mobile team, which has been very speedy with updates (as of last year and this year) and has always supported the Android community wholeheartedly. In fact, Sony was named OEM of the year by this very site. The reason the Tablet S's have had horrible support is due to the fact that they are managed by an understaffed VAIO team that never was focusing on Android products in the first place.
But wait! There is good news! The Xperia Tablet Z, which is set to be Sony's next flagship tablet, is being developed by the Mobile team! So we can expect awesome support, unlocked bootloaders, etc.
Don't hate on Sony on the Android front; they've been quite amazing at supporting the community since last year-ish (maybe longer).
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It's a shame people are too daft to realize this, especially with the whole Xperia S JB update drama. Sony is kind enough to create a update, they could just not update it at all.
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I disagree with you! I'm entitled to my opinion! if i spend my hard-earned cash on a product, should i not expect the makers of that product to put any issues right? you are talking as if money grows on trees! Sony should take some responsibilities and stop making excuses!
You can have an opinion, but you shouldn't expect a company to do what you want. They are at least doing something to get the updates to the consumer, why would they want to spend money developing updates for a device you already paid for. You have to remember too that Sony is going under a huge financial crisis, the mobile division has a budget and limited people.
Excluding the tablets, Sony easily allows you to flash different roms and root, you could easily have a custom JB build on the Xperia S right now hell I just checked there's a 4.2.2 rom.
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You can have an opinion, but you shouldn't expect a company to do what you want. They are at least doing something to get the updates to the consumer, why would they want to spend money developing updates for a device you already paid for. You have to remember too that Sony is going under a huge financial crisis, the mobile division has a budget and limited people.
Excluding the tablets, Sony easily allows you to flash different roms and root, you could easily have a custom JB build on the Xperia S right now hell I just checked there's a 4.2.2 rom.
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Sony mobile allow us to do stuff to xperia phones. It's Sony VAIO that don't Allow us for the sts and xts
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jumper62 said:
Sony mobile allow us to do stuff to xperia phones. It's Sony VAIO that don't Allow us for the sts and xts
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Exactly. Sony Mobile is full of open minden people, who even release their own flash tools, their own instructions how to unlock bootloader, they release kernel sources etc. etc. etc.
If you look at the Xperia Z - there are already Custom Roms for it, including AOSP and CM. Phones like Xperia S or the Xperia ARC S also have tons of mods and roms....
ty for the answers !
i really really really regrets my purchase when i see my girlfriend's touchpad Cm 10.1 !
i have many stuff by sony, but my last smartphone is not sony,
too afraid they will not unlock the phone.
edit : customers dont have to give a f** if its sony mobile or sony vaio or what u want, they just see SONY
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edit : customers dont have to give a f** if its sony mobile or sony vaio or what u want, they just see SONY
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Yeah, totally agree on that. I was just making a point, that the Sony phones have nothing in common with the tablets
It don't matter which department makes what it's all part of the same company and it's SONY's LOGO on the products, therefore its the SONY Brand which is getting the stick, and consumers will feel let down by this, it's not a point of updating to JB it's about fixing the issues with the Tablet, and as a whole SONY have let some customers down badly, we don't really care which department made the dame thing,
If you went to Mac D's and your burger was raw and you took it back to the counter and the person said to you sorry there's nothing i can do because i don't normaly make burgers i normaly fry chips you would say thats stupid i just want what i ordered, well the same applies here i just want a fully working product. I don't care who's job it is. I paid £359 only 14 months ago for a product with flaws.
See what i'm saying the fries have nothing to do with the burgers but it's still Mac D's
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It don't matter which department makes what it's all part of the same company and it's SONY's LOGO on the products, therefore its the SONY Brand which is getting the stick, and consumers will feel let down by this, it's not a point of updating to JB it's about fixing the issues with the Tablet, and as a whole SONY have let some customers down badly, we don't really care which department made the dame thing,
If you went to Mac D's and your burger was raw and you took it back to the counter and the person said to you sorry there's nothing i can do because i don't normaly make burgers i normaly fry chips you would say thats stupid i just want what i ordered, well the same applies here i just want a fully working product. I don't care who's job it is. I paid £359 only 14 months ago for a product with flaws.
See what i'm saying the fries have nothing to do with the burgers but it's still Mac D's
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Does that mean you wouldn't buy a Sony tv or camera?
No it doesn't I was just making the point of it doesn't matter which department made it, the support should be there to fix problems that affect functionality and stop the device from not doing what it was intended to do.
What it does mean though is I prefer Burger King to Mac D's
Well said! Its not too much to ask sony to fix the issues, if not unlock the bootloader and let the devs solve the issues.
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