This is not a bash or fanboy, "which is better"
This is an interesting comparison. These phones are almost exactly the same size, and spec'd almost identical.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Sony-Xperia-P,Apple-iPhone-5/phones/6965,7378
If you want to know what an Iphone 5 size is, look at the P.
They are not comparable at all. The A6 is much more powerful and the resolution is higher. The only thing that is the same is the screen size. If Sony release an Xperia P2, then it might be competitive with the iPhone 5, but right now it isn't.
Maximus999 said:
They are not comparable at all. The A6 is much more powerful and the resolution is higher. The only thing that is the same is the screen size. If Sony release an Xperia P2, then it might be competitive with the iPhone 5, but right now it isn't.
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way to disregard the physical dimensions, screen size, camera sensor size, and the fact they both run 1ghz ARM Chip.
again, Im just pointing out the similarites.
and yes, I know one is IOS and one is Android. Calm down...
brdl04 said:
way to disregard the physical dimensions, screen size, camera sensor size, and the fact they both run 1ghz ARM Chip.
again, Im just pointing out the similarites.
and yes, I know one is IOS and one is Android. Calm down...
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The dual core 1GHz in the A6 is on a par with dual core 1.5GHz Krait. It is waaaaay faster than the U8500 (dual core A9) in the Xperia P, not only that but the resolution of the iPhone 5 is 1136x640 which is around ~ 50% more pixels than in the Xperia P. It also has 1GB high speed RAM and SGX543MP3 according to Anand, which is about 6x faster than the Mali-400 used in the Xperia P.
The phones are not comparable other than their physical screen size and the fact that they use the same camera sensor (8MP, BSI from Sony Imaging).
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The dual core 1GHz in the A6 is on a par with dual core 1.5GHz Krait. It is waaaaay faster than the U8500 (dual core A9) in the Xperia P, not only that but the resolution of the iPhone 5 is 1136x640 which is around ~ 50% more pixels than in the Xperia P. It also has 1GB high speed RAM and SGX543MP3 according to Anand, which is about 6x faster than the Mali-400 used in the Xperia P.
The phones are not comparable other than their physical screen size and the fact that they use the same camera sensor (8MP, BSI from Sony Imaging).
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Ok. Sounds good.
Mods close thread.
There is no similarities between the two devices on a physical dimension, hardware or software level.
the Phonearena link that i posted above made the phone sound a lot closer.
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The dual core 1GHz in the A6 is on a par with dual core 1.5GHz Krait. It is waaaaay faster than the U8500 (dual core A9) in the Xperia P, not only that but the resolution of the iPhone 5 is 1136x640 which is around ~ 50% more pixels than in the Xperia P. It also has 1GB high speed RAM and SGX543MP3 according to Anand, which is about 6x faster than the Mali-400 used in the Xperia P.
The phones are not comparable other than their physical screen size and the fact that they use the same camera sensor (8MP, BSI from Sony Imaging).
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I agree with him.
Yes they can be comparable up to some points... But the ip5 has a better CPU, GPU and display than the P...
The Xperia V would b a good comparison...
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Yes they can be comparable up to some points... But the ip5 has a better CPU, GPU and display than the P...
The Xperia V would b a good comparison...
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Yup I agree.... The Xperia V can bash i5 ...
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I just read a geek bench where the iPhone 5 score more points that gs3 and nexus 7 is that even possible? I thought you can compare cause they are different OS.. By the way it says it was a ARMv7 chip on iPhone5 is it A15 or not? Is it better than snapdragon S4 in T or exynos?
Thanks!
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I don't know much about the hardware but, I know it would take an exceedingly impressive hardware spec to get me to choose IOS over android. And I don't think the IP5 has it. Especially at the price/
I confirmed via different sources it's a ARMv7 own designed but still snapdragon s4 and exynos are still better
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I picked up my Galaxy SII after seeing the disappointing specs on the iPhone 4S. But today I read preliminary benchmarks and it smokes the SII.
Sorry, unable to post a link yet.
How can a 800 mhz cpu beat the SII's 1.2 ghz processor?
I am confused. Am I missing something?
026TB4U said:
I picked up my Galaxy SII after seeing the disappointing specs on the iPhone 4S. But today I read preliminary benchmarks and it smokes the SII.
Sorry, unable to post a link yet.
How can a 800 mhz cpu beat the SII's 1.2 ghz processor?
I am confused. Am I missing something?
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Because benchmarks don't mean jack ****.
Look at how Quadrant scores are all over the damned place with no correspondence to actual usability.
its all about the software. I expect some good gains when moving over to ICS.
Edit, corrected iPhone processor family name.
Trying to benchmark across different operating systems and hardware is not easy to accomplish, but I can tell you that an (Apple A5) A9 800 mhz duel core Samsung processor is not faster than (Exynos) A9 1.2 ghz duel core Samsung processor.
Yes both phones processors are made by Samsung
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Entropy512 said:
Because benchmarks don't mean jack ****.
Look at how Quadrant scores are all over the damned place with no correspondence to actual usability.
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dayv said:
Trying to benchmark across different operating systems and hardware is not easy to accomplish, but I can tell you that an A5 800 mhz duel core Samsung processor is not faster than A9 1.2 ghz duel core Samsung processor.
Yes both phones processors are made by Samsung
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This is true but your wording is a bit confusing. An "Apple A5" processor is a dual core a9 processor with a powervr 543mp2 gpu. An A5 processor is an Arm core made for ultra low power. Basically both the apple a5 and the exynos processor have have the same processor architecture but there are many other factors that can influence performance like the GPU, memory, cache, decoders, ect. In this case i think the main discrepancy will be the software thats so different between the two.
footballrunner800 said:
This is true but your wording is a bit confusing. An "Apple A5" processor is a dual core a9 processor with a powervr 543mp2 gpu. An A5 processor is an Arm core made for ultra low power. Basically both the apple a5 and the exynos processor have have the same processor architecture but there are many other factors that can influence performance like the GPU, memory, cache, decoders, ect. In this case i think the main discrepancy will be the software thats so different between the two.
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I did not doubt that both processors were of the same type and architecture, but I did not realize that apple A5 was just an apple brand and that both processors were A9. Both are still Samsung family processor one clocked at 800 mhz one clocked at 1.2 GHz
Thank you for the correction
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The iPhone is probably utilizing the processor to it's full extent, while Gingerbread (and Android in general) does a terrible job of utilizing the power of the hardware.
ICS should see a nice performance increase on dual cores.
OP is probably refering to the benchmark for gaming. It's not the processor that lacks on GS2. If iPhone 4S does come with the same A5 as iPad2, its GPU will smoke Mali400 in GS2 in almost every benchmark test (in most benchmarks, it is twice as fast as Mali400). Just checkout the review of Internationl GS2 by Anandtech.com with benchmark comparison of GS2 vs iPad2 and other smartphones. It is not the Quadrant or Linkpack benchmark but rather the professional benchmarks measuring fill rates and triangle thoughputs etc.
Processor performance wise, it is probably a wash because both are based on the same ARM design.
Although I do agree that benchmarks are just benchmarks, I am still surprised.
Is it true that Gingerbread only utilizes one cpu? And will Ice Cream Sandwich utilize both?
And BTW, I am by no means an Apple fanboy. I had been waiting for this phone to come out to replace my dinosaur BB 9000, so I wouldn't have to get an iPhone and deal with iTunes.
iOS5 > gingerbread. Sad but true.
Hope ICS comes out soon. It seems to be on par from what I hear.
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I think I saw the benchmark in question - it was a GPU-heavy benchmark for a workload that most users won't experience 99% of the time. (It was a GPU-bound OpenGL benchmark. The GPU of the iPhone 4S IS faster than ours for 3D work - but unless you do lots of 3D gaming, it's wasted. Also, 3D is kind of a waste on a 3.5" screen.)
Apple has an extremely long history of misleading the public with selective benchmarking. Back in the Pentium II or III days, they claimed one of their machines was twice as fast as an Intel machine clocked at least 50% higher. While I agree that MHz isn't everything, there's a limit to that. In that case, on a single Photoshop benchmark that was optimized for PowerPC by using AltiVec and running non-optimized on the Intel chip (despite an optimized MMX or SSE implementation being available), the Apple did better - and Apple used that to try and make users believe the machine was twice as fast for all workloads.
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Is it true that Gingerbread only utilizes one cpu? And will Ice Cream Sandwich utilize both?
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It is true.
I guess the benchmarking was for the javascript using safari browser. So it's apple vs oranges. Also completely 2 different OS. Let's run quadrant if it's available for iOS the see how it handles. In the mean time enjoy the best and fastest smartphone currently in the market no matter what other says.
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It could be ten times faster than a GII, but it still has a 3.5" screen, and I-jail. My wife and kids have Iphone 4's and there is no way I would trade no matter how fast this new one is.
aintwaven said:
It could be ten times faster than a GII, but it still has a 3.5" screen, and I-jail. My wife and kids have Iphone 4's and there is no way I would trade no matter how fast this new one is.
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Except for the wife and kids part(I have neither) this. Very much this.
Just ran the SunSpider Javascript on CM7.1. Results seem to be quite a bit better than the ones I see posted on AnandTech. Obviously they were running the GS2 stock but I was surprised to see my numbers so low. Also did the GLBenchmark and while the Egypt was slower, the Pro was faster on CM7.1. Coin flip to me it seems...
Those are just plain synthetic benchmark, what does it mean for RL usage? not a damn thing.
You think all the fashionnista who's buying iphone 4s gonna care how fast their CPU are?
footballrunner800 said:
its all about the software. I expect some good gains when moving over to ICS.
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That's the problem with android; it is always wait for the next version of software, it'll be better then. How about making a good version now?
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arctia said:
iOS5 > gingerbread. Sad but true.
Hope ICS comes out soon. It seems to be on par from what I hear.
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Are you high and drunk?? As far as I'm aware, iOS5 is just playing catch up to Android. There isn't one feature that they implemented that hasn't already been introduced in Android since the Froyo days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUEG7kQegSA&feature=share
look at this : http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_tx_t_and_v_benchmarks_are_here_promising_too-news-4722.php
in the results, the new line of sony xperias, r getting better results on benchmarks than galaxy s3. How can it be? How xperia t with almost the same specification than xperia s gets better results than galaxy s3 with his quadcore processor ?
Quad core is not yet optimized in android
Android is not ready yet for quad core
Dual core is more than enough for android (well ICS)
Because i think jellybean quad core will do better (CMIIW)
Its not just Xperia T all device that use S4 "krait" Dual Core benchmark is always better than exynos
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Its the next gen snapdragon S4 plus krait processor..u can find out about those over at their site Qualcomm Snapdragon Processors. Just because S3 and HTC ONE X has quad core doesnt make it act fast coz despite of the cores, the normal apps doesn need to use the quads. May be ull get better gaming fps and smoothness with tegra 3 but when its come to web browsing, stability and working potential the snapdragon chipsets actually does a lot of good work. Waiting for the LG Optimus G. Heard they used S4 PRO Quad Krait
ashqmallik said:
Its the next gen snapdragon S4 plus krait processor..u can find out about those over at their site Qualcomm Snapdragon Processors. Just because S3 and HTC ONE X has quad core doesnt make it act fast coz despite of the cores, the normal apps doesn need to use the quads. May be ull get better gaming fps and smoothness with tegra 3 but when its come to web browsing, stability and working potential the snapdragon chipsets actually does a lot of good work. Waiting for the LG Optimus G. Heard they used S4 PRO Quad Krait
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Quad Krait
Sounds pretty scary
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and about the difference on results between xperia t and xperia s?
conanjf said:
look at this : http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_tx_t_and_v_benchmarks_are_here_promising_too-news-4722.php
in the results, the new line of sony xperias, r getting better results on benchmarks than galaxy s3. How can it be? How xperia t with almost the same specification than xperia s gets better results than galaxy s3 with his quadcore processor ?
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Because cores != performance.
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Because it's not about number of cores.
Typically the phones with more cores run them at slower clock speeds, canceling out the difference.
It's all about getting a BALANCED spec, which includes I/O rates, flash speed, memory channels, memory bandwidth, cpu cores, cpu power management latency and literally hundreds of other factors.
Both Sony and Samsung are tier 1 manufacturers, which is why they know how to spend money in the right areas when it comes to component costs.
conanjf said:
and about the difference on results between xperia t and xperia s?
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XS Use S3 processor, No Ext Memory, no LTE, 12mp camera
While XT S4 processor, Ext Mem, LTE support, and 14mp camera
If you talking about benchmark
Its pretty far i think thanks to the S4
But the downside is the illumination bar
I really love that bar. if xperia T have that bar i will upgrade without thinking anymore
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Quad Krait
Sounds pretty scary
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The new gen S4 PRO comes in two form, Dual and Quad..LG Optimus G went with the Quad 1.5GHz and a shattering 320GPU. Its gona be pretty fast in 3D rendered games for sure and as its Qualcomm then u can very easily bet that there battery consumption will be less than usual Quads
Qualcomm doesn't use reference ARM Design. they just get the license for A9/A15.
They have their own Design like Apple with their SoC.
The Sony Xperia S has the MSM8660 which is a Snapdragon S3 (45nm, Single Channel RAM, Andreno 220 GPU).
The Sony Xperia T has the MSM8260a which is a Snapdragon S4 (28nm, Dual Channel RAM, Andreno 225 GPU).
The difference is also in the architecture.
S3 = Scorpion: This is the own Design of Qualcomm which is compareable with ARM Cortex A9
S4 = Krait: This is also designed by Qualcomm and is compareable with ARM Cortex A15
The performance of Snapdragon SoC's is incredible. Its not just, that Android is not yet optimized for Quad-Core SoC's but also the Design.
There are already benches available showing the APQ8064 which is a Quad-Core with Andreno 320 GPU. There is no compareable SoC at the moment and if I'm not wrong the LG Optimus G will get this SoC (Q1/Q2 2013).
PhilAd said:
Qualcomm doesn't use reference ARM Design. they just get the license for A9/A15.
They have their own Design like Apple with their SoC.
The Sony Xperia S has the MSM8660 which is a Snapdragon S3 (45nm, Single Channel RAM, Andreno 220 GPU).
The Sony Xperia T has the MSM8260a which is a Snapdragon S4 (28nm, Dual Channel RAM, Andreno 225 GPU).
The difference is also in the architecture.
S3 = Scorpion: This is the own Design of Qualcomm which is compareable with ARM Cortex A9
S4 = Krait: This is also designed by Qualcomm and is compareable with ARM Cortex A15
The performance of Snapdragon SoC's is incredible. Its not just, that Android is not yet optimized for Quad-Core SoC's but also the Design.
There are already benches available showing the APQ8064 which is a Quad-Core with Andreno 320 GPU. There is no compareable SoC at the moment and if I'm not wrong the LG Optimus G will get this SoC (Q1/Q2 2013).
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For better GPU performance, i have seen Qualcomm betting more on MSM8960 than any other. I am waiting for S4 PRO MSM8960T chipset review (will surely be used over TABS only) lets see what it got. Didnt read nor know anything about APQ8064 model and i dont think dat we will get to know about that chipset unless LG releases their Optimus G. Xperia T has the AP series from S4 PLUS but S4 PRO is a total new ball game . Am guessing that the next gen S4 chips can easily be overclocked to 2GHz+ as my Xperia-S is already running on 1.78GHZ smoothly and its a Dual Core S3 . LG announced 2GB of ram for the Optimus G so, basically, 2GHz+ of overclocked QUAD PROCESSOR with 2GB ram is a must have for any enthusiast android developer/user. And if they manufacturer make it to a perfection than for sure its a must kept for the next 2/3 years as android for quads, wont be developed before that time but WITHIN that time. That 320GPU is already like a cherry on top so for now, am just keeping my fingers crossed to know how the battery will perform :fingers-crossed:. Then again, thats just my prediction and thoughts . As is said before, Qualcomm already won my faith over their chipsets . More like Dejavu ..More power work yet less power consumed
Theonlyzii said:
Quad core is not yet optimized in android
Android is not ready yet for quad core
Dual core is more than enough for android (well ICS)
Because i think jellybean quad core will do better (CMIIW)
Its not just Xperia T all device that use S4 "krait" Dual Core benchmark is always better than exynos
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If in future quadcore will be good for android then s3 not gonna be outdated soon
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If in future quadcore will be good for android then s3 not gonna be outdated soon
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It's not only quadcore + Android not optimized to be the reason that Xperia T and other new Krait S4 CPU powered phones are better then Samsung's S3.
The S3 is powered by the tegra 3, and tegra 3 isn't the newest CPU anymore. It's just the fact that the S4 processor from Qualcomm is newer and better optimized then tegra 3.
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It's not only quadcore + Android not optimized to be the reason that Xperia T and other new Krait S4 CPU powered phones are better then Samsung's S3.
The S3 is powered by the tegra 3, and tegra 3 isn't the newest CPU anymore. It's just the fact that the S4 processor from Qualcomm is newer and better optimized then tegra 3.
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S3 powered by Tegra 3? Where did you read that? It has either the Quad Core Exynos or Dual Core S4 Krait in some models variations.
krabappel2548 said:
It's not only quadcore + Android not optimized to be the reason that Xperia T and other new Krait S4 CPU powered phones are better then Samsung's S3.
The S3 is powered by the tegra 3, and tegra 3 isn't the newest CPU anymore. It's just the fact that the S4 processor from Qualcomm is newer and better optimized then tegra 3.
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LOL S3 have Quad Core Exynos .. Tegra 3 is for HTC ONE X and Xperia T came with S4 Plus Dual Core Krait which actually has beaten S3 and HTC both to some serious extent. Hell, HTC ONE S beats one x to some serious level BOTTOM LINE : Qualcomm holds the authentic brain power for androids
I am planning to buy xperia p.But I heard lot of bad things about it from web.
1]It's gpu i.e.Mali-400 is not quad core as on galaxy s2 or galaxy s3.It is just single core
2]Over half of android 3d games are not working on it properly(crashing problems).
3]It's chipset is not good for gaming
4]It's screen resolution scores less than xperia u resolution and a li'l bit odd to
Does things reallymatter.Please do not answer like a Xperia P slave.
sagardrokr said:
I am planning to buy xperia p.But I heard lot of bad things about it from web.
1]It's gpu i.e.Mali-400 is not quad core as on galaxy s2 or galaxy s3.It is just single core
2]Over half of android 3d games are not working on it properly(crashing problems).
3]It's chipset is not good for gaming
4]It's screen resolution scores less than xperia u resolution and a li'l bit odd to
Does things reallymatter.Please do not answer like a Xperia P slave.
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I have a Xperia P i was user from a Samsung s2 and Xperia P is better in all terms since we have bravia we have Rizal a great modder watch the cyber-shot post there are some pictures taked from my XP camera about game's i run them like a charm i play MC4 without lag c: & i'm on ICS stock with out need of kernel no rom n,n hope you decide soon.
I dont have any problem related to games, just a fw bug on sound and camera but it can be fixed With root, I play lots of games with it and I know if you want 3d gaming HD yku should go for a more expansive phone likehtc one x
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I am planning to buy xperia p.But I heard lot of bad things about it from web.
1]It's gpu i.e.Mali-400 is not quad core as on galaxy s2 or galaxy s3.It is just single core
2]Over half of android 3d games are not working on it properly(crashing problems).
3]It's chipset is not good for gaming
4]It's screen resolution scores less than xperia u resolution and a li'l bit odd to
Does things reallymatter.Please do not answer like a Xperia P slave.
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1. SGSII has the same GPU Mali 400 as Xperia P
2. Don't think that will happen. Xperia P is a Dual core phone with same Cortex-A9 architecture as the SII, you'd b happy with it's gaming performance.
3. Already answered, same as above.
4. Xperia P res is 540x960 pixels... SII has 480x800 and xperia U has 480x854 pixels...
Xperia P has BETTER screen resolution.
On a side note Xperia P has just 11 GB user available memory with NO memory card slot. So it could be a deal breaker for some.
If u can raise ur budget a bit Go for SGSII or Xperia S (24k/25k).
If you're happy with Xperia P internal memory then u can get it for just 17k from eBay.
products.ebay.in/Sony-Xperia-P?productId=595
Hope it helped...
Its not the same as gs2, gs2 has mali400, gs3 has mali400mp quad and xp has mali400mp dual with lower frequency and to be honest gs2 is better than Xp for gaming in quadrant benchmarks and vellamo for 3d, gs2 hits 50fps when xp has like 30-40
Édit: i looked on the net gs2 bench 3200 in quadrant vs 2200 xp, but Xperia p kills gs2 in antutu
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I am planning to buy xperia p.But I heard lot of bad things about it from web.
1]It's gpu i.e.Mali-400 is not quad core as on galaxy s2 or galaxy s3.It is just single core
2]Over half of android 3d games are not working on it properly(crashing problems).
3]It's chipset is not good for gaming
4]It's screen resolution scores less than xperia u resolution and a li'l bit odd to
Does things reallymatter.Please do not answer like a Xperia P slave.
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1. SGSII has the same GPU Mali 400 as Xperia P
2. Don't think that will happen. Xperia P is a Dual core phone with same Cortex-A9 architecture as the SII, you'd b happy with it's gaming performance.
3. Already answered, same as above.
4. Xperia P res is 540x960 pixels... SII has 480x800 and xperia U has 480x854 pixels...
Xperia P has BETTER screen resolution.
On a side note Xperia P has just 11 GB user available memory with NO memory card slot. So it could be a deal breaker for some.
If u can raise ur budget a bit Go for SGSII or Xperia S (24k/25k).
If you're happy with Xperia P internal memory then u can get it for just 17k from eBay.
products.ebay.in/Sony-Xperia-P?productId=595
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ilgreco112 said:
Its not the same as gs2, gs2 has mali400, gs3 has mali400mp quad and xp has mali400mp dual with lower frequency and to be honest gs2 is better than Xp for gaming in quadrant benchmarks and vellamo for 3d, gs2 hits 50fps when xp has like 30-40
Édit: i looked on the net gs2 bench 3200 in quadrant vs 2200 xp, but Xperia p kills gs2 in antutu
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Yes, agreed... Not only the SII is better in games but it's just simply plain better. With Exynos chipset and super amoled screen is just great. Camera produces excellent images too. And for all that it will cost u about 3-4k more.
If u can stretch up ur budget go for SII.
If u can't XP is pretty good with gaming too.
Ashish Goyal said:
1. SGSII has the same GPU Mali 400 as Xperia P
2. Don't think that will happen. Xperia P is a Dual core phone with same Cortex-A9 architecture as the SII, you'd b happy with it's gaming performance.
3. Already answered, same as above.
4. Xperia P res is 540x960 pixels... SII has 480x800 and xperia U has 480x854 pixels...
Xperia P has BETTER screen resolution.
On a side note Xperia P has just 11 GB user available memory with NO memory card slot. So it could be a deal breaker for some.
If u can raise ur budget a bit Go for SGSII or Xperia S (24k/25k).
If you're happy with Xperia P internal memory then u can get it for just 17k from eBay.
products.ebay.in/Sony-Xperia-P?productId=595
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Yes, agreed... Not only the SII is better in games but it's just simply plain better. With Exynos chipset and super amoled screen is just great. Camera produces excellent images too. And for all that it will cost u about 3-4k more.
If u can stretch up ur budget go for SII.
If u can't XP is pretty good with gaming too.
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LOL no amoled isnt better than LCD.. Fake oversaturated colors, also xp camera is better, as I said, if you want a good phone overall go for xp, if you want a gaming phone go for a one X with tegra
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LOL no amoled isnt better than LCD.. Fake oversaturated colors, also xp camera is better, as I said, if you want a good phone overall go for xp, if you want a gaming phone go for a one X with tegra
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Well some people including me prefer punchy saturated color... And LCD can never match Deep blacks of AMOLED or viewing angles. Moreover, Samsung has given u a choice of saturation. Light, Normal, High.
For me comparing Super LCD with Super AMOLED is like comparing Super Mario with Superman. Lol
I'll take SGSII over XP on any day....
Oh and for camera.... SGSII has a better one....
Check out their samples.... you'll see XP produces grainy images. XP also has Low internal memory... no card slot.
For 22k I willing to pass....
Ashish Goyal said:
Well some people including me prefer punchy saturated color... And LCD can never match Deep blacks of AMOLED or viewing angles. Moreover, Samsung has given u a choice of saturation. Light, Normal, High.
For me comparing Super LCD with Super AMOLED is like comparing Super Mario with Superman. Lol
I'll take SGSII over XP on any day....
Oh and for camera.... SGSII has a better one....
Check out their samples.... you'll see XP produces grainy images. XP also has Low internal memory... no card slot.
For 22k I willing to pass....
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oh comparing super LCD to super AMOLED isnt like this, amoled is a young technology, you should wait at least 2 years before Amoled gets better than LCD, it's like comparing World of Warcraft to the closed Beta of any new MMORPG,
also sony design > samsung.
sony UI > samsung,
Sony Price > Samsung.
I think GS2 is too old to fight against XPeria P,
in xperia P price range P is the king of every android phones, if you can put more money for GS2 then you should give a little more again to get a real better phone, do you understand me? I mean, if on 1 to 10 xP costs 5 and GS2 costs 7, just give 1 or 2 more and get a real high end phone =) ok GS2 is somehow a bit better than XP but it's not worth the money
Planning to return my N10 cause the stuttering on it is driving me insane and im really interested in the Tablet Z currently.
1920x1080 on an 1.5GHz Qualcomm APQ8064 with adreno 320GPU VS 2560x1600 nexus 10 with an exynos 5 and a mali t604 GPU clocked at 1.7 GHZ.
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Planning to return my N10 cause the stuttering on it is driving me insane and im really interested in the Tablet Z currently.
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The S4 is halfway between the Cortex A9 cores and the new Cortex A15 core that we have. So it is decent enough of a CPU. I am not sure how good of a GPU that is. None of my devices the past couple years have had Adreno GPU's At least it wont have to work as hard with the lower resolution
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Planning to return my N10 cause the stuttering on it is driving me insane and im really interested in the Tablet Z currently.
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What stuttering are you talking about?
Draw your own conclusions.
S4 Pro - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/...agon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview
Exynos 5 - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6148/samsung-announces-a15malit604-based-exynos-5-dual
From everything I've seen and experienced the exynos 5 is the better of the two. The a15 is a more powerful core than the krait core, that with the higher clock speeds and the better GPU makes for a better chip. Personally I have never had my n10 lag at all. Maybe you just got a dud?
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From everything I've seen and experienced the exynos 5 is the better of the two. The a15 is a more powerful core than the krait core, that with the higher clock speeds and the better GPU makes for a better chip. Personally I have never had my n10 lag at all. Maybe you just got a dud?
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But the Exynos 5 has to run that massive screen res. Also, the reason I think that Qualcomm modified the core was because of the power consumption. Stock A-15 core consumes quite a lot of power.
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Fasty12 said:
Planning to return my N10 cause the stuttering on it is driving me insane and im really interested in the Tablet Z currently.
1920x1080 on an 1.5GHz Qualcomm APQ8064 with adreno 320GPU VS 2560x1600 nexus 10 with an exynos 5 and a mali t604 GPU clocked at 1.7 GHZ.
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Every now and then I read ppl complaining about lags and stutters... I have not experienced one since I have the device; can you please explain what you are doing when this happens?
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Every now and then I read ppl complaining about lags and stutters... I have not experienced one since I have the device; can you please explain what you are doing when this happens?
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Try opening and closing google maps after the map has been loaded there is a NOTICEABLE frame rate drop compare to other apps.
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But the Exynos 5 has to run that massive screen res. Also, the reason I think that Qualcomm modified the core was because of the power consumption. Stock A-15 core consumes quite a lot of power.
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The Snapdragon S4 does not use an A15 core or any derivative of an A15. Qualcomm has ALWAYS completely designed their cores custom and has almost nothing to do with the current major core from ARM's reference design. Additionally, the S4 was designed and released before the A15 MP-Core was even finished with its design phase.
The Krait core uses a similar (but not the same) triple wide decode stage like the A15 core, but it uses a completely different 11 stage execution pipeline compared to the A15's 15 stage pipeline. The higher stages of the pipeline allow the A15 design to break things down smaller and achieve higher frequency, but if there were to be a failure in computing then the A15 must wait a longer time before it can start over where the Krait core doesnt have to wait as long, but also isnt as efficient in " normal" circumstances. Honestly the integer performance between the two cores is pretty close, but I think I remember seeing that the A15 has a lot stronger floating point performance. So I guess it really depends on your workload.
FYI, the Exynos 5, Tegra 4, and TI OMAP 5 processors are all based on the A15 core design. Qualcomm is the only major player who does not base their processors on the ARM design
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Try opening and closing google maps after the map has been loaded there is a NOTICEABLE frame rate drop compare to other apps.
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Do you mean a drop in framerate during the animation when closing Maps? I notice a minor framerate drop which lasts as long as the animation does, but if that is it, I'm kinda wondering why you bought an android device in first place... I have not noticed this before and I cannot imagine anyone would using the device for its intended purposes. If you take any android device, you will find a fps drop at some point... Maybe return it and take an iPad? iPads do not have the issue, on the other hand there's a lot that iPads do not have ^^
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But the Exynos 5 has to run that massive screen res. Also, the reason I think that Qualcomm modified the core was because of the power consumption. Stock A-15 core consumes quite a lot of power.
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Exynos has higher memory bandwidth so the difference isn't substantial.
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EniGmA1987 said:
The Snapdragon S4 does not use an A15 core or any derivative of an A15. Qualcomm has ALWAYS completely designed their cores custom and has almost nothing to do with the current major core from ARM's reference design. Additionally, the S4 was designed and released before the A15 MP-Core was even finished with its design phase.
The Krait core uses a similar (but not the same) triple wide decode stage like the A15 core, but it uses a completely different 11 stage execution pipeline compared to the A15's 15 stage pipeline. The higher stages of the pipeline allow the A15 design to break things down smaller and achieve higher frequency, but if there were to be a failure in computing then the A15 must wait a longer time before it can start over where the Krait core doesnt have to wait as long, but also isnt as efficient in " normal" circumstances. Honestly the integer performance between the two cores is pretty close, but I think I remember seeing that the A15 has a lot stronger floating point performance. So I guess it really depends on your workload.
FYI, the Exynos 5, Tegra 4, and TI OMAP 5 processors are all based on the A15 core design. Qualcomm is the only major player who does not base their processors on the ARM design
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THANK YOU!! my god I've had to explain this so many times! Qualcomm licenses ONLY the armv7 instructions and not arms designs. They design their own chips from the ground up and GPU, so please people stop saying Qualcomm is a cortex series processor because it isn't. Samsung and the rest license arms design and modify it, in Samsungs case they tend to increase the IPC slightly and give it more memory bandwidth.
Also to answer the question, exynos 5 will do better at higher resolutions and they will be very close in lower resolutions. S4 will be better in multi thread workloads more then likely and exynos will have better float performance. Exynos is better for games once the thermal throttling is fixed.
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Exynos has higher memory bandwidth so the difference isn't substantial.
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THANK YOU!! my god I've had to explain this so many times! Qualcomm licenses ONLY the armv7 instructions and not arms designs. They design their own chips from the ground up and GPU, so please people stop saying Qualcomm is a cortex series processor because it isn't. Samsung and the rest license arms design and modify it, in Samsungs case they tend to increase the IPC slightly and give it more memory bandwidth.
Also to answer the question, exynos 5 will do better at higher resolutions and they will be very close in lower resolutions. S4 will be better in multi thread workloads more then likely and exynos will have better float performance. Exynos is better for games once the thermal throttling is fixed.
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The 50 percent extra memory bandwith doesn't matter so much considered that the Exynos has to move almost twice the amount of pixels.
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The 50 percent extra memory bandwith doesn't matter so much considered that the Exynos has to move almost twice the amount of pixels.
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Memory bandwidth makes a pretty big difference when it comes too resolutions. I.E 8600gt ddr2 vs ddr3. Wider memory bus and faster memory makes a big difference in higher res performance of any GPU
Also will help with GPU compute performance for future apps utilizing the Mali t604s compute abilities
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Memory bandwidth makes a pretty big difference when it comes too resolutions. I.E 8600gt ddr2 vs ddr3. Wider memory bus and faster memory makes a big difference in higher res performance of any GPU
Also will help with GPU compute performance for future apps utilizing the Mali t604s compute abilities
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But lets say that Exynos uses the whole 12.8 gb/s bandwith. That means that to move twice as less pixels you would need 6.4 gb/s so memory bandwidth isn't an issue.
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But lets say that Exynos uses the whole 12.8 gb/s bandwith. That means that to move twice as less pixels you would need 6.4 gb/s so memory bandwidth isn't an issue.
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But that bandwidth is shared, unlike on dedicated GPU where it isn't. The total system bandwidth (not including buses for modem or w.e others are there) on the exynos chip being higher is gonna give it the edge in any situation considering the closeness in performance between the two. It also can't be denied that the Mali t604 has a edge in horse power over adreno 320 because even at the n10s resolution it comes within a couple fps of adreno at 1080p resolution. Not saying it's a big difference, but the exynos is the more powerful all around chip and that's just in is dual core form.
Edit: Also its a known fact that Adreno has crap fill rate compared too Mali or Power VR, Adrenos Strength is Geometry performace so it takes more of a hit the higher the resolution than Either the Mali t604 or the SGX 554MP4 which both have higher Fillrate and the SoC we have to compare both have higher bandwidth to facilitate that so we dont get bottle necked.
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Finally a lot of exerts here about GPU
, I know it is not related to topic but me and my girlfriend have Galaxy Note 2 and S3. As you all know they are the last ones to use the elder Mali-400 GPU. I love playing games and I am getting my girlfriend used to them too. So I was wondering how is our Mali400 GPU holding up against the new coming 1080p Adreno 320 devices? It is clear the future is 1080p. I am either planning to switch our devices with a couple of Nexus 4s or Xperia Zs. Because I fear our devices are about to be outdated with the next game right around the corner. So far they are doing just fine with Modern Combat 4 and the all other graphic intensive games by playing over 28-30 FPS. But according to the GLBenchmark 2.5Egypt they are useless against new Adreno 320. However I have read that most of the games were designed for high fill rate power and Mali 400 is able to beat Adreno 320. But on the triangle tests, it just bottlenecks.
So what is your opinion about it? I will our devices do another year and half for the new games? Or should I make the trade? Or should I just buy a Nexus 10 with 2 users assigned and continue games on it? I
Thank you for reading.
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Finally a lot of exerts here about GPU
, I know it is not related to topic but me and my girlfriend have Galaxy Note 2 and S3. As you all know they are the last ones to use the elder Mali-400 GPU. I love playing games and I am getting my girlfriend used to them too. So I was wondering how is our Mali400 GPU holding up against the new coming 1080p Adreno 320 devices? It is clear the future is 1080p. I am either planning to switch our devices with a couple of Nexus 4s or Xperia Zs. Because I fear our devices are about to be outdated with the next game right around the corner. So far they are doing just fine with Modern Combat 4 and the all other graphic intensive games by playing over 28-30 FPS. But according to the GLBenchmark 2.5Egypt they are useless against new Adreno 320. However I have read that most of the games were designed for high fill rate power and Mali 400 is able to beat Adreno 320. But on the triangle tests, it just bottlenecks.
So what is your opinion about it? I will our devices do another year and half for the new games? Or should I make the trade? Or should I just buy a Nexus 10 with 2 users assigned and continue games on it? I
Thank you for reading.
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They will hold on, my SGS2 runs all of the current games at the highest settings ( I haven't tried GTA though) without any issues, the Adreno 320 is far better than the Mali 400 MP4 though
Ya, Im pretty sure they will still play games a year from now. Until the market is completely saturated with devices like the Nexus 10 in power we wont really see large jumps in system requirements. That will probably only happen a year or two from now once all the new phones and tablets are made with A15 processors (or Qualcomm equivalent) and beefy GPUs.
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They will hold on, my SGS2 runs all of the current games at the highest settings ( I haven't tried GTA though) without any issues, the Adreno 320 is far better than the Mali 400 MP4 though
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The S2(Mali400) plays GTA3 without a hiccup.
The exynos dual is very power hungry compared to the s4pro but it is also the most powerful arm processor out today. Nothing else yet released (I said RELEASED) is as powerful or can match its bandwidth. Having said that I'm sure a normal resolution 1080p screen in this form factor with the s4pro would be a nice fast tablet. Right now the exynos dual is pretty much the only thing outside apple that can push the resolution that the n10 has. I think if they had put another gig of ddr3 in this thing there wouldn't be so much stuttering in certain instances. Besides the thermal cutoff the n10 is starved for memory as it has to share normal duties and its ram with the graphical load of pushing all the pixels of this monster resolution. You are lucky to have 300mb of ram available at idle on the n10 vs over a gig available with the s4pro on the 720p screen of the nexus 4
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Xperia neo with 1ghz sd2, 512 ram..
I think we are way back ..
2013 is the last year for our mobile with custom roms we can go year may be less ...
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And the point of your thread/post is? Of course other than pointing to clear facts which everyone is aware.
I just wanna say that mobile technology improving much faster than we are expecting..
That's a good sign...
the majority of users wont spend more than 200euro for a phone so Yes Many new things might be created for Super-smartphones but they will still have to work on ther older ones. Most people i know buy cheap phones rather than Quad-Core phones. Mostly people dont even know what Dual-core or quad core is .
Cocluding i believe we are safe.
2013 mobile trend..
5inch 1080p
Quadcore CPU
2gb RAM
13mp camera
This is staring of the year we can expect more.... In mwc Feb 25th
deccen90 said:
2013 mobile trend..
5inch 1080p
Quadcore CPU
2gb RAM
13mp camera
This is staring of the year we can expect more.... In mwc Feb 25th
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So? Frankly hardware is not everything. Software optimisation is more important.
I know things improve real fast, but I think it's time we stop following the trend. It is very costly to buy new phones every year.
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jasonwsc said:
So? Frankly hardware is not everything. Software optimisation is more important.
I know things improve real fast, but I think it's time we stop following the trend. It is very costly to buy new phones every year.
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Yeah mate I agree !
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A good example is the jb update for the t, now has 800mb of free ram after boot, with ics 400....
Also in benchmark tests( if thats your thing) it is now out performing the HTC one x with its four cores.
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Benchmarks aren't a justifiable source to see your phone's performance!
Like mpiekp already told!
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Benchmarks aren't a justifiable source to see your phone's performance!
Like mpiekp already told!
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I don't have money for a Xperia S or Ion, so i have to be happy with Neo L.
1Ghz, 512mb ram is mid-range. Dual core, 512~1024mb ram is high-end, and if you **** money.... premium class, Xperia Z, S3, One X, iPhone 5....
This are ok specs for Neo series. HTC One V, same SoC, Samsung Galaxy Ace is 180 euros....lol, not much choice in mid-range area.
Here's something strange I encountered yesterday :
My brother has HTC explorer ( gb, pure stock untouched, 600 MHz MSM7225A, Adreno 200 ) .... Pretty well below average huh?
Now mine ( Sony lww, ICS, MSM8255, Adreno 205, rooted , unlocked, bloatfree, custom rom& kernel, updated drivers, oc to 1.4 GHz ) ( Everything I could do to increase performance )
Who's the winner ? Mine ?
I played subway surfers on both. On HTC, due to its weak hardware, extreme lags are plausible. But devs are smart. When the game ran, it did not ran at full FPS ( say at 22 FPS rather than 30 ) . This way load reduces on both CPU and GPU so they have to calculate less instructions. This results in fairly good performance ( No extreme lags, touch responds all the time etc )
Now, for LWW, game tried to run at full 30 FPS. This means load on CPU and particularly GPU is maximum. Hence most of the time it ran real smooth but sometimes when 3D models became prominent, it lagged badly and my touch stopped responding. Result , the kid banged his head on a train engine .
Thus, it's not the hardware but software optimizations. One can point that I'm comparing gb and ICS. But still ( 600 MHz + heavy sense ) . That settles the seesaw.
( Not to mention, our devices on gb beat hell out of HTC exp. )
That's what we are not getting from Sony (swo)... compared to other manufacturers ics builds
Useless thread.
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