Well what are you over clock preferred settings. Mine are min: 1.024 and Max: 1.92 governor: smartassV2 I/O scheduler: deadline.
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I run 1.22 Max and 245 min. Its bad for the CPU to be clocked the way you are.
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Max 1.4 gHz - Min 250 mHz
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Well what are you over clock preferred settings. Mine are min: 1.024 and Max: 1.92 governor: smartassV2 I/O scheduler: deadline.
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What's your battery life like? And as stated above, that can't be good for the processor.
Excessive heat is the worst thing you can do to a processor.
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Max 1.4 gHz - Min 250 mHz
What's your battery life like? And as stated above, that can't be good for the processor.
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Its been pretty bad I guess that's why I just changed to Max 1.408 and min: 368
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jonah1234 said:
Its been pretty bad I guess that's why I just changed to Max 1.408 and min: 368
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Oc really isn't even necessary on liquid ics. You'll never notice the difference if you out it back down to stock.
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Oc really isn't even necessary on liquid ics. You'll never notice the difference if you out it back down to stock.
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How is he overclocking on a ics rom anyways since we dont have kernel source I didnt think we could overclock ics roms yet.
I overclock to 1.2 ghz max and minimum either 245 or 368 mhz.
My battery life is pretty good, I'm running AOKP
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How is he overclocking on a ics rom anyways since we dont have kernel source I didnt think we could overclock ics roms yet.
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The kernel is a modified gb kernel. It has oc capabilities.
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Excessive heat is the worst thing you can do to a processor.
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I've heard that's actually second to voltage.
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
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I've heard that's actually second to voltage.
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
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Yea I could see voltage being a major issue for a processor. If the voltage is to high it would heat the processor up though. Soooooo..... you're right back to heat being a huge factor.
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What speeds and settings could I safely use to conserve battery?
I'm new to clocking.
I just want long lasting battery life.
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Leave the speeds stock and undervolt. When undervolting don't ever check save for boot or whatever until you are certain those settings won't cause you problems. If you undervolt to low it will reboot your phone. Go to high and it could overheat but I doubt you will need to do that for any reason. I would start with a -50 uv and see if it is stable for a few hours. If you think its good -25 to all for a few more. I usually can't get below -75 across all voltages but every phone is different so some people can go -100.
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Leave the speeds stock and undervolt. When undervolting don't ever check save for boot or whatever until you are certain those settings won't cause you problems. If you undervolt to low it will reboot your phone. Go to high and it could overheat but I doubt you will need to do that for any reason. I would start with a -50 uv and see if it is stable for a few hours. If you think its good -25 to all for a few more. I usually can't get below -75 across all voltages but every phone is different so some people can go -100.
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Can I do this with setcpu?
Or would you recommend a different app?
Because when I started setcpu, it set me on 1036MHz max and 245MHz min. and the governor is set on lagfree, and then the scheduler is set on deadline.
Not really sure what to do here... lol.
Forgive me... like I said, I'm new to clocking.
I haven't touched anything since I started the app.. I was too concerned to.
It's not set on boot yet.
There's also a page for profiles and another for the governor... both of which are have me looking at them as if I were one of the three stooges looking at a supercomputer.
I have no idea what to do.
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Use incredicontrol. It's easier to use and profiles don't help much anyway. I would setup as 1024 max 245 min smartassv2 governor deadline scheduler -50 - -75 undervolt across the board.
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Use incredicontrol. It's easier to use and profiles don't help much anyway. I would setup as 1024 max 245 min smartassv2 governor deadline scheduler -50 - -75 undervolt across the board.
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It's not giving me a 1024 max.
It jumps from 960000MHz to 1036800 MHz max. and then the min. is set to 245760MHz.
Next tab (SVS) has 850 in the box on the right all the way from 24576MHz to 245760MHz. Has 875 in the box beside 368640MHz, then 900 beside 768000MHz and so on.
Are you saying that in those small boxes on the right beside the xxx MHz I should lower that number by 50 all the way down to what I set the max to be?
Say from where it says 850 all the way from 24576MHz to 245760MHz, I should change that 850 to 800? And just -50 from every one all the way up the the MHz that I set as the max?
Wow, I hope I didn't just confuse you.
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What kernel are you using? The CPU and voltage table will vary with kernels.
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I'm running Gingeritis 3D v1.2 and running ziggy's kernel that comes with it.
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I am over locked to 1400 Max and 245min. Gives me nice battery life and great speed. ESP with the new Liquid ICS v.1.5 MR3
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Can someone post all available frequencies(the voltage for lower than 600MHz and how much battery will it take comparing to the lower frequencies, eg 864 takes "x" battery more than 844)
Is there safe to use 864, and does it take to much battery, or not?
Thanks a lot
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frequencies below 600: 122, 245, 320, 480 (all of these use the same voltage)
frequencies above 600: 652, 672, 691, 710, 729, 748, 768, 787, 806 (the difference in battery varies depending on your governor and usage but generally, the higher the frequency the more battery it eats)
stability-wise, the only thing that can go wrong when you oc to 864 is a kernel panic. other than that it should be safe to use. however, in the long run i think it can harm your cpu (and yes it does use a lot of battery)
this is my understanding. if someone does not agree, feel free to point out what you believe is wrong
yep sweetnsour is right ...
All that can be added to what sweetnsour said is that there are three more frequencies over 600: 825, 844 and 864 MHz. But the chances for our CPU to be stable at any frequency above 806 MHz are very low.
Another notable side-effect to the overclock, beside quick battery depleting, is CPU overheating. I found my CPU to be stable at 806, but I went back to 729 just because the phone warmed up so much faster. At 729, I sense no difference compared to 600 MHz.
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All that can be added to what sweetnsour said is that there are three more frequencies over 600: 825, 844 and 864 MHz. But the chances for our CPU to be stable at any frequency above 806 MHz are very low.
Another notable side-effect to the overclock, beside quick battery depleting, is CPU overheating. I found my CPU to be stable at 806, but I went back to 729 just because the phone warmed up so much faster. At 729, I sense no difference compared to 600 MHz.
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Yes a rooted with other tuning needs no oc, but what is thr highest that will not harm anything on a long term...
And does 122-480MHz really have same voltage?
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Yes a rooted with other tuning needs no oc, but what is thr highest that will not harm anything on a long term...
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This is highly subjective, no one can tell for sure, except maybe the manufacturer. Buy in theory you should be safe with any frequency at which your CPU is stable and does not overheat. You will sell or trash the phone long before the overclock will affect anything.
And remember: the CPU spends a fairly low amount of time at the high frequency; most of the time it will fall back to the minimum, as long as there are no tasks requiring high processing power.
As far as I could gather in the 10 months I spent on this forum, the community agreed that 729 MHz is the most convenient value.
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This is highly subjective, no one can tell for sure, except maybe the manufacturer. Buy in theory you should be safe with any frequency at which your CPU is stable and does not overheat. You will sell or trash the phone long before the overclock will affect anything.
And remember: the CPU spends a fairly low amount of time at the high frequency; most of the time it will fall back to the minimum, as long as there are no tasks requiring high processing power.
As far as I could gather in the 10 months I spent on this forum, the community agreed that 729 MHz is the most convenient value.
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Yes, 728hz is the best value for performance and battery.
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Yes, 728hz is the best value for performance and battery.
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This flocking app needs thanks button...
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So the perfect is 480--729 SmartassV2 thanks...
Btw is the voltage really the same from 122 to 480?
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So the perfect is 480--729 SmartassV2 thanks...
Btw is the voltage really the same from 122 to 480?
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I personally dont use Smartassv2 as it has some wakelock problems, so try different governors and find out which works best for you.
Btw, you are using the wrong kernel for your rom(6.5.8), you should be using fserve kernel or 4 Sept kernel by Franco (.32).
Yaa 480--729 is the perfect.Above 768 phone becomes unstable.
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Yaa 480--729 is the perfect.Above 768 phone becomes unstable.
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And below 480 is same ****? I mean it won't do anything good to battery right?
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And below 480 is same ****? I mean it won't do anything good to battery right?
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Exactly!
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Exactly!
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Oh ye I got it *cool*
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Hey my is..
806/600 scary
But before 2 months i cant even overclock 768...how now 806??
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becuase governor is scary
Ohh...wen i removed my charger after 10 sec it gaved panic..ithink 768/480 is proper for me...nd can u give me details about the governer plz
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all using Smartass governer??
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all using Smartass governer??
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Smartassv2 cuz v1 its like a petformance governor, only at max cpu... v2 goes down when screen off...
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Smartassv2 cuz v1 its like a petformance governor, only at max cpu... v2 goes down when screen off...
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No true, smartass also caps when screen off
I'm curious as to which voltages people are using who choose to undervolt their device. I know I've seen some scattered posts around but am yet to see a thread, if I'm wrong feel free to close this one and direct me to the thread.
Mine are:
1200 mHz
1200 mV
1000 mHz
1100 mV
800 mHz
1000 mV
500 mHz
900 mV
200 mHz
900 mV
I made very small drops over stock as I'm pretty new to it so I didn't want to risk going to low.
I'm on UnNamed 2.2.1 with Entropy 12/08/2011 and CPU set to 1200-200 mHz on demand.
I'm trying to get an idea for what people run for the best mix of battery life and performance.
1700Mhz @ 1500mV
1400Mhz @ 1275mV
1200Mhz @ 1175mV
1000Mhz @ 1075mV
800Mhz @ 975mV
500Mhz @ 875mV
200Mhz @ 850mV
I havent done a whole lot of tweaking to find my optimal settings. Im hoping to have time to play with Zep's 3g turbocharger to see what i can squeeze out of my data with different modems. Im also about to move to UnNamed 2.2.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19826653
Is probably what you want.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19826653
Is probably what you want.
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That is a good one, thank you.
But I'm hoping to get a voltage specific one. Your link is a full SetCPU thread.
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1200mhz - 1250mV
1000mhz - 1125mV
800mhz - 1025mV
500mhz - 900mV
200mhz - 850mV
100mhz - 825mV
I'm thinking I could go another -25mv across the board still.
There isn't a thread because you are supposed to figure out the settings yourself. EVERY DEVICE IS DIFFERENT. What works great for one person may crash another's device, what is just barely stable on one person's device may be far from optimal on another.
If every device were the same, THE STOCK VOLTAGES WOULD BE LOWER.
I was about to say the same thing ^^
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What app do you use to undervolt? Set CPU?
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chrikenn said:
What app do you use to undervolt? Set CPU?
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Voltage control
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There isn't a thread because you are supposed to figure out the settings yourself. EVERY DEVICE IS DIFFERENT. What works great for one person may crash another's device, what is just barely stable on one person's device may be far from optimal on another.
If every device were the same, THE STOCK VOLTAGES WOULD BE LOWER.
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These values provide a baseline for others to start from. I never guessed I could go down to 825mv until I saw another thread on the i9100 section. But I understand your point of view as well.
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I agree with Entropy but like the previous post said, I'm hoping for an idea of where people are at with theirs. I'm not hoping for 100% definitive values that work all the time every time.
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Yeah, still useful and interesting to observe others' settings in my opinion.
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Seems to be working smoothly for me. I have 1600, 1400, and 1200 disabled
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Who prefers LiveOC over the regular OC system?
Just wondering.
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I prefer to use voltage control and overclock the ol' fashioned way lol...I have played with nstools and live oc, but its more than I really need.
110%, 1320 mhz, stock voltages
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110%, 1320 mhz, stock voltages
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Which governor do you use? GlitchOndemand
Glitchass v2
Conservative
Interactive
Powersave
Performance
Lazy
Smoothass
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i use glitchondemand/ fiops overclocked @ 1500mhz with no undervolt.
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Which governor do you use? GlitchOndemand
Glitchass v2
Conservative
Interactive
Powersave
Performance
Lazy
Smoothass
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Stock..
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i use glitchondemand/ fiops overclocked @ 1500mhz with no undervolt.
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No heat?
Is this dangerous? With no overheat, is this dangerous? Are you using this day to day?
Didn't get into oc too much.
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Stock..
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thanks so much
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No heat?
Is this dangerous? With no overheat, is this dangerous?
I've never overclocked this high before. Didn't get into oc too much.
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So.. You never tested 1.9 ghz before you released your kang kernel?
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So.. You never tested 1.9 ghz before you released your kang kernel?
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I tested it.
For a day or two.
But using my phone day to day.
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enyo... I have tested with glitch kernel at 1.7 ghz and i currently hold the record benchmark for this device on antutu using performance governor. After testing for a half hour at that speed i fell asleep with the phone stuck at that speed. I'm typing this message with that phone now. That was done with glitch v13. The most i ever got from high clock speeds was freezes and reboots.
However, if you get stupid with live oc the story can be very different.
But to give an idea of what my phone handled back then, go to the cm7 glitch thread and check what the gpu/buss speed was at 1.7ghz. But remember that those bus/cpu speeds, and voltages were finely tuned by tk , and you probably won't be able to push that hard with live oc.
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enyo... I have tested with glitch kernel at 1.7 ghz and i currently hold the record benchmark for this device on antutu using performance governor. After testing for a half hour at that speed i fell asleep with the phone stuck at that speed. I'm typing this message with that phone now. That was done with glitch v13. The most i ever got from high clock speeds was freezes and reboots.
However, if you get stupid with live oc the story can be very different.
But to give an idea of what my phone handled back then, go to the cm7 glitch thread and check what the gpu/buss speed was at 1.7ghz. But remember that those bus/cpu speeds, and voltages were finely tuned by tk , and you probably won't be able to push that hard with live oc.
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So just overclocking, @ 1.5GHz or 1.2GHz and, monitoring the temp, processor will last just as long as it would non overclocked?
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So just overclocking, @ 1.5GHz or 1.2GHz and, monitoring the temp, processor will last just as long as it would non overclocked?
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It's all luck. Chance. Fate. If tk has not burned his phone yet i would say you have a lot of catching up to do to get the mileage he has. I had mine overclocked 1.5ghz for a few months.. And guess what, i have never monitored temp. But hey, i pay an extra couple dollars a month on top of insurance for lifetime warrantee. So i think my phone burning up would fall under that. But anyway, your stressing out to much over it.
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It's all luck. Chance. Fate. If tk has not burned his phone yet i would say you have a lot of catching up to do to get the mileage he has. I had mine overclocked 1.5ghz for a few months.. And guess what, i have never monitored temp. But hey, i pay an extra couple dollars a month on top of insurance for lifetime warrantee. So i think my phone burning up would fall under that. But anyway, your stressing out to much over it.
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Thanks so much.
Going to over clock to 1.5, not going to stress about it. Ulcers come like that
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no heat and i use it daily...first time i can ever say this when overclocking to 1500. i agree with neh4pres posts...becareful with live oc it can screw your device up quick. most folks will never see any benifit by using live oc imo anyway. part of the reason why i just use vc...
I actually use 10% live oc and 1200mhz step... All voltages stock. Fully stable and it FLIES
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I must have every bit of speed. That said here's the setup:
ICS AKOP 25 Glitch 14 B5 for 6.0
1200 step with 118 LOC
Glitch OnDemand with some OV and UV. (see pics)
Live OC is the way to go as you get a boost to your GPU and RAM in addition to the usual CPU bump.
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I must have every bit of speed. That said here's the setup:
ICS AKOP 25 Glitch 14 B5 for 6.0
1200 step with 118 LOC
Glitch OnDemand with some OV and UV. (see pics)
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thx a bunch for this nfo. just used ur voltage settings for my device and was able to overclock into the 1300mhz range from the 1200 step. im impressed since last time it was very unstable at 1200 for me.
thx.
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thx a bunch for this nfo. just used ur voltage settings for my device and was able to overclock into the 1300mhz range from the 1200 step. im impressed since last time it was very unstable at 1200 for me.
thx.
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with the devil kernel i have been running 102% loc between 200-1000mhz. on glitch i can oc up to 1500mhz with no loc, soon as i add any loc the device freezes. im guessing my leakage is not dialed in correctly for glitch, also i get a bit nervous playing wit arm voltages.
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with the devil kernel i have been running 102% loc between 200-1000mhz. on glitch i can oc up to 1500mhz with no loc, soon as i add any loc the device freezes. im guessing my leakage is not dialed in correctly for glitch, also i get a bit nervous playing wit arm voltages.
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Try these i have not had a reboot in over a week
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What's the stock minimum frequency for the Xperia S? 384?
Is 192 too low and cause problems?
Thanks
192 is the minimum but 384 is the default value.
Yes it will cause freeze and reboot for some phones.
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I'll leave it at 384 then
Not really low! X8 minimum cpu frequency is 19mhz! Not kidding
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Not really low! X8 minimum cpu frequency is 19mhz! Not kidding
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He's talking about xps and the minimum is 192 for now
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I've been with 192 for a while and the battery last a little longer. No problems
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I've been with 192 for a while and the battery last a little longer. No problems
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Yes but the problem that not all the phones can run it,some may have freezing and reboots,same as overclocking.
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I use 192 with governor ondemand in setcpu.
Phone seems to be pretty fine to me.
I set it to 192 conservative when screen is off.
Too low, and you get lag and random reboots.
I think set cpu frequency as low as possible. It won't freeze ur phone unless u set powersave govenor as it keep the phone running at minimum frequency, and that would cause some troubles. Other govenors are smart! No need to worry as long as it need more frequency it wouldn't drop to minimum! But it will when it's in idle state. I even did undervolt to 750mv which should be 800mv! Still run fine!
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I think set cpu frequency as low as possible. It won't freeze ur phone unless u set powersave govenor as it keep the phone running at minimum frequency, and that would cause some troubles. Other govenors are smart! No need to worry as long as it need more frequency it wouldn't drop to minimum! But it will when it's in idle state. I even did undervolt to 750mv which should be 800mv! Still run fine!
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Any way (module or something) we can undervolt with stock kernel rooted?
In Xperia X8 that was possible before the bootloader was unlockable
I don't think we have it now. Until dev decided to do it! We've got kernels source from sony, it's not a big deal. The question is that who will do it!
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192 is the minimum but 384 is the default value.
Yes it will cause freeze and reboot for some phones.
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I set mine to 192 and never had any problems. My suggestion is try it first.
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im using hotcakes 1.5 option to change clockspeed is there but i dont see option to overvolt or undervolt? thanks
Search system tuner in market
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kewl thanks what is max safe voltage?
leo5111 said:
kewl thanks what is max safe voltage?
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Why do you want to raise the voltage? Usually you lower the voltage even when Overclocked, on mine it's OC'ed at 1.83 GHz and undervolted between -50 mV to -75 mV depending on the frequency steps. Any way, the hardware has a tendency to perform differently for each phone/user so you'll need to find what works well for your hardware.
What are the stock CPU voltages for a Att Note. I'll looked around a bit and found some for the International Note. But, not for the ATT and TMO Note.
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What are the stock CPU voltages for a Att Note. I'll looked around a bit and found some for the International Note. But, not for the ATT and TMO Note.
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If you run system tuner it starts with the default voltages, I beleive it's 1375mV at 1.89 GHz, 1350 at 1.83 GHz, with a 25 mV drop for each cpu down clock, I say "I beleive" because I haven't been at stock voltages or clocks for a long time. Get System Tuner, free btw, from the market and it will till you.