Does anyone know how to (or if we can) install apps to the external SD card? Lately I've been getting the "not enough storage" alert when trying to install new or update apps. So then I have to look for crap to delete. By default the apps install to internal storage. When I use TiBackup to move apps to the SD, it moves them to phone storage (internal SD), not the external SD. Anyone?
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Does anyone know how to (or if we can) install apps to the external SD card? Lately I've been getting the "not enough storage" alert when trying to install new or update apps. So then I have to look for crap to delete. By default the apps install to internal storage. When I use TiBackup to move apps to the SD, it moves them to phone storage (internal SD), not the external SD. Anyone?
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I'm not entirely sure. I know that HTC changed the name of the eMMC and SD card on this phone to 'sdcard' and 'sdcard2' respectively. A lot of apps don't realize the change and think the eMMC is the actual external SD card. The only ones which definitely realize it are the HTC ones.
I don't know if your ROM has it set up differently or not, but the stock ROM is that way.
I thought the whole 'sdcard' naming thing was an ICS issue...
Go to Settings >Apps, select the app you want to move, then pick Move To Phone Storage. You have to do this for each app.
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Go to Settings >Apps, select the app you want to move, then pick Move To Phone Storage. You have to do this for each app.
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Rovio's Bad Piggies came out the other day. It's a moderately intriguing game, which is relevant because its default apk save location is the SD card. Unfortunately for our phone, it thinks the internal eMMC is the actual SD card because of the poor naming convention, regardless whether ICS itself or HTC is the actual culprit. It's save location is '/sdcard/.android_secure/com.rovio.BadPiggies-1.asec'.
I also installed this game on my original Incredible, and it's path name is the same, but it's saved on the actual SD card because it followed normal naming convention. If I move it to the internal storage, it saves in '/data/app/com.rovio.BadPiggies-1.apk'.
Our phone switches between 'Move to phone storage' ('/sdcard/.android_secure/' which is the eMMC) and 'Move to internal storage' (/data/app/).
My original Incredible switches between 'Move to SD card' ('/sdcard/.android_secure/' which is the real SD card) and 'Move to phone' (/data/app/).
Like dezignstuff said, you would normally have to go to Settings -> Apps, and select each app you want to move and tell it to 'Move to phone storage'. Since you're using Titanium Backup to move to move apps to the SD card, it does it all in one fell swoop.
Now, to answer your question again once again, the naming convention is the reason you're seeing it install in the mount named 'sdcard' but it's actually the eMMC. Titanium Backup thinks the same thing most everything does because of the eMMC's name. If you move it to the real SD card, I don't think it would work because I doubt that it would be able to be recognized by the system.
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Go to Settings >Apps, select the app you want to move, then pick Move To Phone Storage. You have to do this for each app.
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I understand all that. I don't want stuff on phone storage. That's where it is now. I want it on the external SD card.
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IceDragon59 said:
Rovio's Bad Piggies came out the other day. It's a moderately intriguing game, which is relevant because its default apk save location is the SD card. Unfortunately for our phone, it thinks the internal eMMC is the actual SD card because of the poor naming convention, regardless whether ICS itself or HTC is the actual culprit. It's save location is '/sdcard/.android_secure/com.rovio.BadPiggies-1.asec'.
I also installed this game on my original Incredible, and it's path name is the same, but it's saved on the actual SD card because it followed normal naming convention. If I move it to the internal storage, it saves in '/data/app/com.rovio.BadPiggies-1.apk'.
Our phone switches between 'Move to phone storage' ('/sdcard/.android_secure/' which is the eMMC) and 'Move to internal storage' (/data/app/).
My original Incredible switches between 'Move to SD card' ('/sdcard/.android_secure/' which is the real SD card) and 'Move to phone' (/data/app/).
Like dezignstuff said, you would normally have to go to Settings -> Apps, and select each app you want to move and tell it to 'Move to phone storage'. Since you're using Titanium Backup to move to move apps to the SD card, it does it all in one fell swoop.
Now, to answer your question again once again, the naming convention is the reason you're seeing it install in the mount named 'sdcard' but it's actually the eMMC. Titanium Backup thinks the same thing most everything does because of the eMMC's name. If you move it to the real SD card, I don't think it would work because I doubt that it would be able to be recognized by the system.
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So, who's the asshole in this situation? Is it ICS itself or HTC for their wonky file system naming convention?
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Pandalero said:
So, who's the asshole in this situation? Is it ICS itself or HTC for their wonky file system naming convention?
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After some investigation, it's definitely ICS. Several other brands of devices all have "sdcard" and "sdcard2". Regardless of who's at fault, it's still ridiculous. I understand that most devices starting with ICS don't have an actual SD card slot to expand the storage, but ICS should implement a way to move to the real SD card if you have one. Our phone, with its 4GB of available space, isn't that much when you have hundreds of pictures, videos, music files, and apps. I won't ever buy a phone without expandable memory unless it's priced similarly to this one with at least 64GB of space.
It was a change by Google. It occurs in Jelly Bean as well.
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It was a change by Google. It occurs in Jelly Bean as well.
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n the acer a100 there was a way to change the mount points and they called the sd2 the sd and the sd the sd2 with a shell script.
then you simply used some app to move all your apps from the fake to the real sd card
dcooterfrog said:
n the acer a100 there was a way to change the mount points and they called the sd2 the sd and the sd the sd2 with a shell script.
then you simply used some app to move all your apps from the fake to the real sd card
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Somewhere, I saw a way to remap the drives once rooted. I haven't really looked into it, but plan to pursue it as soon as we have root.
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Somewhere, I saw a way to remap the drives once rooted. I haven't really looked into it, but plan to pursue it as soon as we have root.
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Same here. If I have one quibble with ICS, it's how it handle the sd card.
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I think the Nook Color went through this when they were starting with CM9. I'll keep searching and see if I can find anything, it's been a while since I've seen anything about it but I'll keep looking.
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When you choose to move an app to the SD card either manually by going through the 'Manage Apps' option on the phone or by using an app like 'App 2 SD' I've found that it moves the apps to /mnt/sdcard/.android_secure but my actual external 32GB SD card is located at /mtn/sdcard-ext/
So what is the real benefit of moving the apps to another local place on the phone? Does this give you more space by going to the /mnt/scard/ directory than the default app install location?
Also is there no way to truly move apps to your real external SD card located at /mnt/sdcard-ext/
Sorry if this has been answered previously I did a search for similar threads but didn't find anything.
OK I think I have this figured out now, I looked a friend's phone who has an HTC Incredible and his /mnt/sdcard directory really is his external SD card. However on the Atrix there an additional storage area /mnt/sdcard that isn't external but is still very big, mine is over 10GB so that works fine.
It was just a little confusing at first since all the App 2 SD or move to SD options seem to be hard coded to expect your true external SD card on your phone is always going to be located at /mnt/sdcard.
i got the same problem,i don't know why motorola do it, i have much problem with my internal space.I want to know how change the label..?
How do I make sure when I move apps to my sd card, they dont go to my internal sd folder (ext_sd)
I do have a external sd card, but even-though I'm moving apps to my sd card, it seems to be empty
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How do I make sure when I move apps to my sd card, they dont go to my internal sd folder (ext_sd)
I do have a external sd card, but even-though I'm moving apps to my sd card, it seems to be empty
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That behavior is by design and won't be easy to change it. If you root your phone and add some mods to it, you could store app on your external sd, but I think it's more work than what you get in return because you won't be filling up your internal sd before other things start to break. I am assuming you are storing everything else (i.e. music and photo files) on the external card, though.
thank you for clearing that out for me...
well , seems htc is not the phone I thought it was...
prueba01 said:
thank you for clearing that out for me...
well , seems htc is not the phone I thought it was...
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phones still pretty good it has alot of memory. Decides i did that on my original droid and not worth it boot takes longer and the apps take for ever to load when you reboot.
phone is good but before it thought it was the best phone out there.. look
advertising the phone as dual core and core active...
Backlight bleeding
too many bugs..
MMs not working for me, is receiving but not sending(tried two different companies, 2 configurations)
besides this is my 2nd amaze cuz first one died
this is just to mention a few.
Yea this my.third n I guess its true what they say thirds a charm
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Is there any app that automatically backs up the internal SD card to the external SD card?
I'm on ICS (CM9 nightlies), but I'm switching back and forth to other ROMs like CM10. My internal card is getting cluttered and I think I'll have to wipe it, so I want to make sure it is backed up all the time.
I want to save what's on the internal card, since lots of apps will only back up or store data on the internal card.
Any ideas?
I used to use... Ummm ****..... EsFileExplorer's multi select to copy and paste, but that's a by hand method and not really helpful to you. If there was such an app I think i would've stumbled on it by now
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Hmm, I guess the only thing I can think of then is using Foldersync to sync the internal SD to Google Drive or some other cloud service, then sync back to my external SD.
Seems crazy to have to do this.
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how the heck can i move my apps to my sd card?? i run the app App 2 SD and all it does is move my apps from phone storage (internal) to the phones (''sd card'') i cant move google chrome, google+, facebook, adobe...all fairly large apps. when i look at apps under settings > apps, the only options i have is to move it to phone storage or internal storage. im pretty lost
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how the heck can i move my apps to my sd card?? i run the app App 2 SD and all it does is move my apps from phone storage (internal) to the phones (''sd card'') i cant move google chrome, google+, facebook, adobe...all fairly large apps. when i look at apps under settings > apps, the only options i have is to move it to phone storage or internal storage. im pretty lost
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you may need root.
don't hold me to that though
thats what i was thinking but i wasnt trying to talk out of my rear end ah well at least i can still store my music and pics on my sd card...without root a 32gb card seems pretty extreme doncha think? without all the nandroids and roms lol
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how the heck can i move my apps to my sd card?? i run the app App 2 SD and all it does is move my apps from phone storage (internal) to the phones (''sd card'') i cant move google chrome, google+, facebook, adobe...all fairly large apps. when i look at apps under settings > apps, the only options i have is to move it to phone storage or internal storage. im pretty lost
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know i don't know if this will work with apps but it work for photos, i opened the phone's card and long pressed on the ones i wanted to move and selected the option-move to, and transfered photos from phone card to sdcard. i did this with es file explorer. from the phones card not the internal storage or memory wharever it's called
Tried using es file explorer and my sd card didn't even show up. This is what it looks like in disk usage
The storage card is the phones hard drive I think (it's 8 gbs right? And we can't use all 8?)
The /mnt/sdcard/ext_sd is my 32 gig sd card. But when I move my apps it goes to internal storage
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Tried using es file explorer and my sd card didn't even show up. This is what it looks like in disk usage
The storage card is the phones hard drive I think (it's 8 gbs right? And we can't use all 8?)
The /mnt/sdcard/ext_sd is my 32 gig sd card. But when I move my apps it goes to internal storage
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Have you tried plugging in phone to computer and dragging and droping from one drive to the other, just a suggestion, don't know if it will work
I'll try that after work thanks boss
Aldo101t said:
Have you tried plugging in phone to computer and dragging and droping from one drive to the other, just a suggestion, don't know if it will work
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We established this in another thread about a month ago. With the introduction of Android 4.0, Google decided to change the way mounts work in Android. Google, assuming that microSD card would be phased out in the introduction of larger capacity internal storage phones without microSD slots, decided to make the internal eMMC storage be named 'sdcard', since most apps already used the 'sdcard' location for saving data, and name a real SD card 'sdcard2', also reachable by a folder in 'sdcard' name 'sd_ext'.
The largest phone out there right now that I know of has 64GB total of internal storage, while phones like ours only have 8GB total, with about half being taken up by the system, necessitating the usage of a real SD card for storage. The /data partition on our phone only has about 1GB available, and a dozen medium-sized apps and their data will use that up quickly. In short, there's no way to install apps to the real SD card since ICS, and once your eMMC 'sdcard' fills up, you're out of luck. A large oversight, in my opinion, by Google and HTC.
If our phone had 16GB of internal storage, we might not have that problem nearly as quickly, but games like DEAD Trigger, which is nearly 200MB, will quickly fill up our phone.
Basically, pick and choose the apps you want carefully, and keep the eMMC 'sdcard' partition as empty as possible, aside from your larger apps.
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Have you tried plugging in phone to computer and dragging and droping from one drive to the other, just a suggestion, don't know if it will work
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When you move an app to 'Phone storage', it saves in the eMMC internal storage '/sdcard/.android_secure/' folder as a '.asec' file. In my testing, if you move it to actual SD card, that is '/sdcard2/.android_secure/', it won't recognize it. It displays 'Application not installed' when clicking on the app to run it. The Android system saves the pointer to the apk, whether it's saved in '/data/app' or '/sdcard/.android_secure/', and that's the only place it will look for it. You can't move it to the real SD card unless someone else has found a workaround, and I haven't heard of it if the have. I'll find the link to our previous discussion and post it.
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We established this in another thread about a month ago. With the introduction of Android 4.0, Google decided to change the way mounts work in Android. Google, assuming that microSD card would be phased out in the introduction of larger capacity internal storage phones without microSD slots, decided to make the internal eMMC storage be named 'sdcard', since most apps already used the 'sdcard' location for saving data, and name a real SD card 'sdcard2', also reachable by a folder in 'sdcard' name 'sd_ext'.
The largest phone out there right now that I know of has 64GB total of internal storage, while phones like ours only have 8GB total, with about half being taken up by the system, necessitating the usage of a real SD card for storage. The /data partition on our phone only has about 1GB available, and a dozen medium-sized apps and their data will use that up quickly. In short, there's no way to install apps to the real SD card since ICS, and once your eMMC 'sdcard' fills up, you're out of luck. A large oversight, in my opinion, by Google and HTC.
If our phone had 16GB of internal storage, we might not have that problem nearly as quickly, but games like DEAD Trigger, which is nearly 200MB, will quickly fill up our phone.
Basically, pick and choose the apps you want carefully, and keep the eMMC 'sdcard' partition as empty as possible, aside from your larger apps.
When you move an app to 'Phone storage', it saves in the eMMC internal storage '/sdcard/.android_secure/' folder as a '.asec' file. In my testing, if you move it to actual SD card, that is '/sdcard2/.android_secure/', it won't recognize it. It displays 'Application not installed' when clicking on the app to run it. The Android system saves the pointer to the apk, whether it's saved in '/data/app' or '/sdcard/.android_secure/', and that's the only place it will look for it. You can't move it to the real SD card unless someone else has found a workaround, and I haven't heard of it if the have. I'll find the link to our previous discussion and post it.
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okey dokey, maybe after root we can do something with it.
Has anyone tried a 64 GB card with this phone? I jumped the gun and bought one for $44 because they work in the Incredible 2.
itll work for media like pics and music I think. Thanks for all the info. I'm new to this phone and also official ICS
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Has anyone tried a 64 GB card with this phone? I jumped the gun and bought one for $44 because they work in the Incredible 2.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1841317
Rezound running NilsP ROM (Sense 3.6) and 16G external card.
Phone has a lot of internal space taken up by some backup files, pics and videos (in dcim folder). External card only had about 2.5-3Gb space taken.
Went you a street festival and took some videos. Got to a point where phone indicated storage was full. Tried moving some files to external but phone still seems to think max storage is limited to 10Gb.
Seems the phone thinks whatever is on ext-sd is part of storage limit and is limited to 10Gb.
Am I missing something? What's the value of having a 16 or 32Gb external card if the limit restricts the actual usable storage?
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Have you rebooted since you moved the files? That should cause the service to rescan both internal and external storage.
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Have you rebooted since you moved the files? That should cause the service to rescan both internal and external storage.
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Thanks for the reply.
Yes, I did a complete power down. I also thought that might help the OS recognize the file moves. No go.
It seems to me the system is including the symlink, or however ext-sd is mapped to sdcard, in what the system thinks it's limited to with no external card.
Is this a side-effect of the direction Android is going (without external cards as part of native support, a la Nexus)?
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I think it is something funky with your phone. Mine uses all the memory. I currently have 9 gig filled on each internal and external.
Two questions:
Are you saying your internal has 9 gig and your external (ext-sd) card has 9 gig of other files? Not saying I don't believe you, just wanting to confirm I'm reading your response correctly.
Other question - are you using NilsP's ICS ROM? If you're not, I'd be interested in what you are using, stock or otherwise, and if it's ICS or GB.
Thanks again for your replies.
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Check for a folder called .Trash1000 or something similar to that. If its there, delete it and it should clear up a lot of space on your SD.
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Two questions:
Are you saying your internal has 9 gig and your external (ext-sd) card has 9 gig of other files? Not saying I don't believe you, just wanting to confirm I'm reading your response correctly.
Other question - are you using NilsP's ICS ROM? If you're not, I'd be interested in what you are using, stock or otherwise, and if it's ICS or GB.
Thanks again for your replies.
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Yes, using about 9 gig on each.
Currently running Ineff Dues, but I've also used NilsP's ICS and had no problem.
Try what Obat suggested above. That folder is a hidden folder and may not show up in all file explorers.
I've seen the .Trash folders before on some SD cards (wife has a Mac laptop).
I'm using several file managers and have never seen that on my phone's micro-SDs.
Appreciate the replies, guys. At this point, I think I'll wipe and install again.
I'll post again after that with my results/experience.
Thanks.
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Have you tried swapping in another SD card to see if it gives you identical results?
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I've seen the .Trash folders before on some SD cards (wife has a Mac laptop).
I'm using several file managers and have never seen that on my phone's micro-SDs.
Appreciate the replies, guys. At this point, I think I'll wipe and install again.
I'll post again after that with my results/experience.
Thanks.
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Probably way late on this, but I only see it when I'm using Linux and I choose to show hidden files.
You sure you actually moved the files from internal to external or did you copy them and leave a copy on both the internal and external...
Make sure you actually deleted the files after the move so you don't have two copies. I use es file explorer and you have to go in the settings and change it to show hidden files (files with a . in front of them) to see the .trash folder.
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Have you tried swapping in another SD card to see if it gives you identical results?
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Just a follow-up as I promised:
I was using a 16gig card for almost a year, had a 32gig available and wanted to do a few things to update my phone (ICS 3.x to ICS 4.x; NilsP's Sense 3.6 to his Sense 4.0 ROM; cleanup the memory card space, etc.).
My suspicion is that the external card had some corruption (or perhaps it was system-related).
Since I made several changes, I'm not sure at the moment what the culprit was, but things seem to be operating properly and (best I can tell) I have access to ~10gig for internal SD (SDCARD) and ~32gig for the external micro-SD (SDCARD2).
Appreciate everyone's concern and suggestions for help.
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