By now you guys may have heard of the latest news regarding Samsung's unwillingness to release documentation about their Exynos chip based devices. Codeworkx and Entropy have been trying for quite some time now but Samsung has responded in a somewhat optimistic fashion. The story is in the portal if you haven't seen it yet.
I'm posting this here so we can get as many people as possible to contact Samsung via all the social media avenues we have(twitter,Facebook,google+, etc). Lets tell them what we want and the possibility that we may go with another manufacturer for our next device(I.e LG Nexus device, hopefully open source).
I would implore users to follow @Entropy512 and @codeworkx on twitter to join the conversation
Portal link: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/samsung-aware-of-exynos-documentation-issue/#disqus_thread
Petition thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
Codeworkx comments: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32576852&postcount=17071
More: http://www.sammobile.com/2012/10/10...ver-missing-exynos-docs/#.UHVMN3qlP4Q.twitter
Spread the word to your friends in other device forums, etc to join the fight!
COME ON, SAMSUNG!!!!!
eep2378 said:
By now you guys may have heard of the latest news regarding Samsung's unwillingness to release documentation about their Exynos chip based devices. Codeworkx and Entropy have been trying for quite some time now but Samsung has responded in a somewhat optimistic fashion. The story is in the portal if you haven't seen it yet.
I'm posting this here so we can get as many people as possible to contact Samsung via all the social media avenues we have(twitter,Facebook,google+, etc). Lets tell them what we want and the possibility that we may go with another manufacturer for our next device(I.e LG Nexus device, hopefully open source).
I would implore users to follow @Entropy512 and @codeworkx on twitter to join the conversation
Portal link: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/samsung-aware-of-exynos-documentation-issue/#disqus_thread
Petition thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
Codeworkx comments: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32576852&postcount=17071
COME ON, SAMSUNG!!!!!
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http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-hears-exynos-community-documentation-concerns
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Also https://twitter.com/SamsungExynos/status/255733883449004032
This thing is growing to a serious amount right now and I like it
There are a growing amount of threads about the source code issue:
Note N7000:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32622901#post32622901
Galaxy SII I9100:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929188
The only lesson I've taken away from owning a captivate and gs2 since day 1 of each release is that if you don't want to be disappointed, nexus line is the way to go.
I'll get the next nexus and wash my hands of this sordid galaxy business.
If it's LG, so be it. Samsung makes great hardware but I feel like they string us along on the support front.
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The only lesson I've taken away from owning a captivate and gs2 since day 1 of each release is that if you don't want to be disappointed, nexus line is the way to go.
I'll get the next nexus and wash my hands of this sordid galaxy business.
If it's LG, so be it. Samsung makes great hardware but I feel like they string us along on the support front.
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Even if it is lg Google should solve the horrid software updates
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Nope. I'll still buy Samsung devices. They have the best hardware and design IMO, and I actually like Touchwiz.
i'm pretty phone-agnostic. but i'll avoid HTC and Moto like the plague because of actual hardware
will give up all the exynos produce.... too buggy with developer support
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will give up all the exynos produce.... too buggy with developer support
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huh?
I voted for YES to add some pressure. Actually, im enjoying my phone, but the experience would be even better if we had proper Exynos Documentation.
djluis48 said:
I voted for YES to add some pressure. Actually, im enjoying my phone, but the experience would be even better if we had proper Exynos Documentation.
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As am I, but Samsung needs to start giving it up. And look at how much emphasis they've placed on the whole emmc brickbug issue. They have great design and hardware elements, but if there are less devs to support the continuity and customization of these Samsung devices, then it makes all the more sense for me to jump ship. I don't like the other manufacturers, but if they are more supportive of developers in terms of code release, etc. then that's where i'll be heading. Or I might just buy a Nexus device. Samsung needs to stop being so darn stingy.
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As am I, but Samsung needs to start giving it up.
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Samsung doesn't NEED to do anything... them providing anything more than the product itself (and warranty support) is going above and beyond.
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Samsung doesn't NEED to do anything... them providing anything more than the product itself (and warranty support) is going above and beyond.
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They need to do it if they want to keep sales where they're at now.
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They need to do it if they want to keep sales where they're at now.
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Agree with this. People are becoming more tech savvy each day, and even my dad wants ICS/JB on his phone. He is 50, but he readed on the net about the update, saw some videos and know he is looking to buy a new phone shipped with ICS that will receive the update to JB. I told him that he should buy a phone with good dev support in case he decides to root and flash rom (had to explain what that was, but he got it pretty fast). He agreed
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Agree with this. People are becoming more tech savvy each day, and even my dad wants ICS/JB on his phone. He is 50, but he readed on the net about the update, saw some videos and know he is looking to buy a new phone shipped with ICS that will receive the update to JB. I told him that he should buy a phone with good dev support in case he decides to root and flash rom (had to explain what that was, but he got it pretty fast). He agreed
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So true. One of my co-workers was a staunch Blackberry fan; when his phone tanked and he went back to our telecoms provider (the S3 had just been released), he convinced them to upgrade him to an S3 instead of replacing the dead BB with another one. Now he's complaining about the JB update taking so long, etc. , and he can't wait for his warranty to run out so he can root... lol
Even my friends who mostly go for iPhones where I am (so many of them it's ridiculous) are on average more tech savvy than I usually think, but the people with Android phones more often want to learn about rooting and roming and they come to me for that and I always lead them here. So it isn't just the tech geeks now.
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They need to do it if they want to keep sales where they're at now.
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thats the thing... they don't NEED to do anything but provide the hardware and warranty. it doesn't matter to them, as a large corporation, if people mod the phones or not. people will still buy the hardware.
the relatively few of us that want the full support are nowhere near the amount of people that just don't care... which is exactly why (it makes me feel dirty saying it) apple can get away with phones that are nothing more than functioning paperweights compared to what we do with out phones. the masses dictate the sales, not us as a small group (in comparison).
samsung will just come out with a better version of TW to try and get people to not want full support, thats a better business model for them when you think about their users as a whole.
it's business 101, do whats best for the masses, not the few.
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it's business 101, do whats best for the masses, not the few.
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I would say its "Marketing 101", and the term you might be looking for is Niche Market.
Wikipedia said:
A niche market is the subset of the market on which a specific product is focusing. So the market niche defines the specific product features aimed at satisfying specific market needs, as well as the price range, production quality and the demographics that is intended to impact.
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Doesn't matter which business model they follow, it isn't hard to publish documentation. We aren't asking them to dev for us, just release the damn information so our devs can do what they do easier and better!
Clay
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I'm in a bad mood, it looks like there won't be an official Gingerbread update for my P509. I'm now reconsidering Android in general. Read my rant here if you're interested:
Android Product Life Cycle, it's potential downfall?
Anyway, so what do you think based on specs and features, is Apple in good hands without Steve Jobs? I say yes.
It'd be cool if you could apply an avatar to Siri
2.3 is out for the Sprint version. It's ready but its t-mobiles decision when to release it. Gingerbread has been out for the international Optimus as well. For us t-mobile users we should just root and install mik's cm7 or any Rom u like. It was painless for me.
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Feeshie said:
2.3 is out for the Sprint version. It's ready but its t-mobiles decision when to release it. Gingerbread has been out for the international Optimus as well. For us t-mobile users we should just root and install mik's cm7 or any Rom u like. It was painless for me.
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LG forum mods don't believe it will be released for the Optimus T .
T-Mobile has made no promises.
The Optimus S release was so f**ked up that they pulled it on Sept. 28th
It's a mess and it ain't gonna happen.
Turducken said:
LG forum mods don't believe it will be released for the Optimus T .
T-Mobile has made no promises.
The Optimus S release was so f**ked up that they pulled it on Sept. 28th
It's a mess and it ain't gonna happen.
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LG promised all phones will receive a minimum of 1 version upgrade. Whether you will believe that or not idk. I'm running happy with mik's CM7 and I would never go back to stock. You should give it a shot. Stock Rom will not match the performance of this.
EDIT: I headed over to the Optimus S section on another forum and it seems ok. Some quirks and bugs, but seems usable.
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LG promised all phones will receive a minimum of 1 version upgrade. Whether you will believe that or not idk. I'm running happy with mik's CM7 and I would never go back to stock. You should give it a shot. Stock Rom will not match the performance of this.
EDIT: I headed over to the Optimus S section on another forum and it seems ok. Some quirks and bugs, but seems usable.
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As of Sept 8th US T-Mobile had not yet contacted LG to begin the process. I've done a fair bit of digging on this. I hope I'm wrong but I didn't just pull this out of my arse. It's all over the LG and US Tmo forums.
With regards to the Optimus S they wouldn't have pulled it if there weren't some serious issues.
I'm running CM7 and happy with it but I don't recall seeing a disclaimer saying "update it yourself"
P.S. The 3GS released in June of 2009 and was just updated to iOS 5, now that's service
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As of Sept 8th US T-Mobile had not yet contacted LG to begin the process. I've done a fair bit of digging on this. I hope I'm wrong but I didn't just pull this out of my arse. It's all over the LG and US Tmo forums.
With regards to the Optimus S they wouldn't have pulled it if there weren't some serious issues.
I'm running CM7 and happy with it but I don't recall seeing a disclaimer saying "update it yourself"
P.S. The 3GS released in June of 2009 and was just updated to iOS 5, now that's service
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Updates for Android are slow and it's pretty obvious. Comparing android updates to Apple is not the right thing. Apple just has to look after a few devices. Iphone 3/GS/4/4S. While there are hundreds of android devices. Even though devices are split between manufacturers like Samsung/HTC/LG they still have 10-30 devices to look after and high end devices will always be their top priority. It's a bummer, but we will just have to deal with it until Google comes up with something and they have taken this into account. They have said publicly that they know this is a major problem with Android and they are looking for ways to fix this. Lucky almost all high end phones have great developer support so we don't have to wait for the manufacturer.
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Updates for Android are slow and it's pretty obvious. Comparing android updates to Apple is not the right thing. Apple just has to look after a few devices. Iphone 3/GS/4/4S. While there are hundreds of android devices. Even though devices are split between manufacturers like Samsung/HTC/LG they still have 10-30 devices to look after and high end devices will always be their top priority. It's a bummer, but we will just have to deal with it until Google comes up with something and they have taken this into account. They have said publicly that know this is a major problem with Android and they are looking for ways to fix this. Lucky almost all high end phones have great developer support so we don't have to wait for the manufacturer.
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Google claiming ignorance as their defense, that's rich.
High end phones get great treatment, somebody file a lawsuit, please! Google will continue to drag their feet until they're forced to change. That's just how business works these days.
Anyway, here's to hoping............
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Google claiming ignorance as their defense, that's rich.
High end phones get great treatment, somebody file a lawsuit, please! Google will continue to drag their feet until they're forced to change. That's just how business works these days.
Anyway, here's to hoping............
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It's a wise decision to invest into a higher end phone. Don't expect to get the same treatment when you got a lower end device because sadly things don't work that way. Phones like the Optimus/Galaxy Ace/Mini/Gio are pretty much not even budget phones anymore. They are at the bottom of the bottom. The mid-range phones now are the low end phones now. Things are shifting and it would be a waste of time for them to get in the trouble of working on a phone that is obsolete.
Feeshie said:
2.3 is out for the Sprint version. It's ready but its t-mobiles decision when to release it. Gingerbread has been out for the international Optimus as well. For us t-mobile users we should just root and install mik's cm7 or any Rom u like. It was painless for me.
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I've install different roms, on my Optimus T and i have the same issues with all of them, the MMS come to small and i refuse to use the GO sms app so i'm stuck on stock! was really hopping on the Gingerbread version!
Turducken said:
Google claiming ignorance as their defense, that's rich.
High end phones get great treatment, somebody file a lawsuit, please! Google will continue to drag their feet until they're forced to change. That's just how business works these days.
Anyway, here's to hoping............
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Anyway, why bother waiting for LG stock ****, LG gingerbread really crap on Optimus One, with so many bugs.
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Anyway, why bother waiting for LG stock ****, LG gingerbread really crap on Optimus One, with so many bugs.
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I agree my point exactly. Where's the QC? Google cashed in by not holding it's partners responsible. They had the power to do it right, and CHOSE not to. This isn't an accident.
Us XDA members will work it out but the other 90% of users are staring at a ****ty phone, saying "I think I'll by an iPhone next time". I've heard way too many times from noob friends of mine. In fact, I don't even recommend Android to friends anymore.
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I agree my point exactly. Where's the QC? Google cashed in by not holding it's partners responsible. They had the power to do it right, and CHOSE not to. This isn't an accident.
Us XDA members will work it out but the other 90% of users are staring at a ****ty phone, saying "I think I'll by an iPhone next time". I've heard way too many times from noob friends of mine. In fact, I don't even recommend Android to friends anymore.
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You don't have to buy LG if your not satisfied with their products and their quality. In the end, if you buy a low end phone you get what you paid for. TBH This phone without the great developers we have would be a POS.
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You don't have to buy LG if your not satisfied with their products and their quality. In the end, if you buy a low end phone you get what you paid for.
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You clearly didn't read the link in my first post did you? It's an OS and updates include security patches. These are necessary not optional! IMO my 2 year contract has been breached by TMO LG or Google (let the lawyers figure it out)
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TBH This phone without the great developers we have would be a POS.
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Amen but it's not just this phone it's ALOT of them.
no, thanks
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Us XDA members will work it out but the other 90% of users are staring at a ****ty phone, saying "I think I'll by an iPhone next time". I've heard way too many times from noob friends of mine. In fact, I don't even recommend Android to friends anymore.
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You're making me laugh.
Let me see, you're comparing Android on a $200 max phone with an iPhone? A low-end phone will never provide the real Android experience.
I was looking at my O1 and I said "I think I'll buy a better droid next time, this one is just offering me a small taste of what Android can do". So I did; I bought a better, dual-core, 4.3" phone. Trust me, daily use of Android on a premium phone can't be compared to daily use on a cheap one.
So don't compare your O1 to an iPhone. Try and compare a GS2, Arc S, Sensation, Droid Bionic, Nexus etc to an iPhone and then see if the iPhone's really worth it.
might get it
or stick to android
off course buy high end android phone
such like not sgs 2, sensation / sensation xe / evo 3d and other
22VIN...
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RIGHT!
I don't understand people comparing a $200- old phone to a $700+ fresh-tech phone...
From my point of view iPhone and all other closed phones may rests on the shelves forever, coz are too performance/price unbalanced.
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22VIN...
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I don't understand people comparing a $200- old phone to a $700+ fresh-tech phone...
From my point of view iPhone and all other closed phones may rests on the shelves forever, coz are too performance/price unbalanced.
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Hardware and Software are different.
What's so hard to understand about wanting a well defined Product LifeCycle?
Buy a $300 Windows Home Laptop and buy a $2000 Windows Professional despktop. The SOFTWARE Product Lifecycle is the same.
No wonder Google is dragging it's feet with regards to this fragmentation. It's customers have been brainwashed. I thought Android users were supposed to be the smart ones... do yourselves a favor and THINK.
P.S. a iPhone 4S is $99 with contract in the US.
**EDIT**
I went down to the Apple Store this morning and played with one... It's pretty nice. I'm not getting one, I'm just pissed at Google (we all should be).
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397729,00.asp
Essentially saying that it's pretty much dead already.
I never bought the hype around it. Unless Google lays down the law..they will always half ass give updates.
They don't make money upgrading existing devices when they can just crank out new devices with minimal upgrades.
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Yeah I'm surprised they even bothered agreeing to such an 'alliance' when carriers would have to sacrifice their bloatware and faster phone turnover. On the plus side it seems like HTC will be focusing more on quality over quantity. A few mouths back there was an article on them using better camera hardware, another article discussed better sound I believe, and last week I read how they are slimming down the number of devices so they can concentrate more on a smaller lineup.
That being said I would like to see a pure Google phone from HTC/Sprint. Sitting around waiting for them to release OS updates is a joke, not to mention the hoops devs jump through in order to bring us ROMS.
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Yeah I'm surprised they even bothered agreeing to such an 'alliance' when carriers would have to sacrifice their bloatware and faster phone turnover. On the plus side it seems like HTC will be focusing more on quality over quantity. A few mouths back there was an article on them using better camera hardware, another article discussed better sound I believe, and last week I read how they are slimming down the number of devices so they can concentrate more on a smaller lineup.
That being said I would like to see a pure Google phone from HTC/Sprint. Sitting around waiting for them to release OS updates is a joke, not to mention the hoops devs jump through in order to bring us ROMS.
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I'm a huge fan of HTC and Sense, I just don't see HTC making a "Google Phone" with Sense. It'll be another Nexus One.
Truth of the matter is Google can't force OEMs and Carriers to update older devices to whatever is the latest and greatest.
OEMs are not compensated for their add ins (TouchWiz, Sense, etc). If there was some direct compensation by Google they would feel obligated to bring out timely updates.
As some of you know, the OEMs do this to differentiate themselves from the android pack.
Also from a marketing standpoint, it hurts sales if their older models had the newest OS. There would be no incentive to upgrade your handset if it runs everything you already have.
Fragmentation is here to stay unless Google makes OEMs release two different updates for each phone. One with vanilla (working drivers etc) and one with the add-ins.
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Truth of the matter is Google can't force OEMs and Carriers to update older devices to whatever is the latest and greatest.
OEMs are not compensated for their add ins (TouchWiz, Sense, etc). If there was some direct compensation by Google they would feel obligated to bring out timely updates.
As some of you know, the OEMs do this to differentiate themselves from the android pack.
Also from a marketing standpoint, it hurts sales if their older models had the newest OS. There would be no incentive to upgrade your handset if it runs everything you already have.
Fragmentation is here to stay unless Google makes OEMs release two different updates for each phone. One with vanilla (working drivers etc) and one with the add-ins.
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+1.
This is why I love teams like CM who create AOSP roms from source...
Android being so "open" is actually why everything is so fragmented. It won't change...it may even get worse as companies continue tap-dance around it and consumers get tired of asking why. Eventually we'll just accept it.
Sadly, if you want all the updates then you'll have to move away from android.
Rippley05 said:
+1.
This is why I love teams like CM who create AOSP roms from source...
Android being so "open" is actually why everything is so fragmented. It won't change...it may even get worse as companies continue tap-dance around it and consumers get tired of asking why. Eventually we'll just accept it.
Sadly, if you want all the updates then you'll have to move away from android.
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Or buy a Nexus (just bought my first one)
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Or buy a Nexus (just bought my first one)
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No offense, but, I hate when people say this..
My options of getting a Nexus
1. Leave Sprint and buy a Galaxy Nexus, Can't and won't do it..especially for a craphole like Verizon.
2. Buy a terribly dated Nexus S that was getting old when Sprint first started selling it. No thank you..
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No offense, but, I hate when people say this..
My options of getting a Nexus
1. Leave Sprint and buy a Galaxy Nexus, Can't and won't do it..especially for a craphole like Verizon.
2. Buy a terribly dated Nexus S that was getting old when Sprint first started selling it. No thank you..
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I was just throwing it out there, as that's the only official method of getting an Android phone that gets immediate updates.
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I was just throwing it out there, as that's the only official method of getting an Android phone that gets immediate updates.
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Yea I know man, I really wasn't trying to be a jackwod about it either.
The whole deal is just an unfortunate circumstance that comes with being an Android owner.
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No offense, but, I hate when people say this..
My options of getting a Nexus
1. Leave Sprint and buy a Galaxy Nexus, Can't and won't do it..especially for a craphole like Verizon.
2. Buy a terribly dated Nexus S that was getting old when Sprint first started selling it. No thank you..
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Could also get a GSM Nexus and T-mobile or At&t...
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Could also get a GSM Nexus and T-mobile or At&t...
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Which still falls under option 1.
I happen to be under contract and overall happy with what I get from Sprint. Never any nickel and dime surprises on my bill that I got relentlessly from AT&T and Verizon.
We are basically stuck, but it is what it is. Money makes the world go'round and we should be happy we get updates at all I guess..
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Yea I know man, I really wasn't trying to be a jackwod about it either.
The whole deal is just an unfortunate circumstance that comes with being an Android owner.
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Very true. I'd rather be in this situation than be in the iTunes world, that's for sure.
I personally think that CyanogenMod should release their own line of phones.
Why wait and hope for someone to make exactly what we all really want? Just build it.
I do think I would honestly move ASAP to any carrier that allowed a such a phone on their network.
I can only imagine all the hurdles to get over to make it happen, but, wouldn't it be sweet??
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I personally think that CyanogenMod should release their own line of phones.
Why wait and hope for someone to make exactly what we all really want? Just build it.
I do think I would honestly move ASAP to any carrier that allowed a such a phone on their network.
I can only imagine all the hurdles to get over to make it happen, but, wouldn't it be sweet??
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I hope this never happens. Cyanogen would just become another OEM, and would need to make decisions about what phones to upgrade, when to upgrade those phones, and which ones to leave behind. Plus, Cyanogen also needs dev support from members of each type of phone they support. So, if a dev goes to a different phone, the support for that phone will either need to be transferred to another dev, or support may be dropped. Right now, the cyanogen team is on top of the world. I want them to stay there.
What I would like is for manufacturers like motorola and htc to treat their boot loaders more like Samsung, and LG. They don't need to be encrypted.
i am sure htc will not give official support for flyer on this... but curious tat if dual boot android with chrome os is possible on flyer...
http://www.gsmarena.com/android_50_jelly_bean_to_arrive_in_q2_with_chrome_os_dualboot-news-3839.php
google will release it in q2
Sounds fake.
Yep, Google's gonna bash their only just-rolling out OS with a new one in a couple of months. Sure.
OP, I know you were trying to share some news but just please use reliable sources (GSMArena is a site I've never heard of).
Not flaming. In fact, nowhere in the rules does it say you have to give reliable/confirmed info. But as my rule of thumb, this is the case.
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Yep, Google's gonna bash their only just-rolling out OS with a new one in a couple of months. Sure.
OP, I know you were trying to share some news but just please use reliable sources (GSMArena is a site I've never heard of).
Not flaming. In fact, nowhere in the rules does it say you have to give reliable/confirmed info. But as my rule of thumb, this is the case.
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Pardon me but gsmarena is pretty reliable. They are a forum which reviews mobile devices.
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Pardon me but gsmarena is pretty reliable. They are a forum which reviews mobile devices.
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Yes GSMarena is pretty reliable. A lot of sites are reporting this (PC World and DigiTimes) are two.
It seems that JellyBean will be a tablet update from HoneyComb
here's a quote
"Android 5.0 Jelly Bean will come in two flavors: Google and Microsoft. The article said that brand vendors "can either choose to adopt only Android 5.0 or add Android 5.0 to Windows 8 devices with the ability to switch between the two OSes without the need to shut down the computer."
One the most exciting aspects of Windows 8 is its flexibility--that you can jump from tablet to smartphone to game console and back. Adding Google products to the mix makes Microsoft's upcoming revamp of Windows even more insanely thrilling, and may be the very bullet to shatter my iPhone once and for all."
Maybe google got tired of all the Apple lawsuits and decided to drop the big hammer.
edit: Thanks nikhiltanwar for the heads up
My 2c for those saying it's an unreliable source...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105...nd-android-jelly-bean-to-wait-or-not-to-wait/
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AidenM said:
Yep, Google's gonna bash their only just-rolling out OS with a new one in a couple of months. Sure.
OP, I know you were trying to share some news but just please use reliable sources (GSMArena is a site I've never heard of).
Not flaming. In fact, nowhere in the rules does it say you have to give reliable/confirmed info. But as my rule of thumb, this is the case.
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this is reliable source only... what i was wondering is tat can 1.5 ghz cpu can hold it smoothly... i am sure 1 gb ram is enough but problem is cpu....and i am sure HTC will not give anything to us now.... so its upto our forum developers only to do some good for us.... and most of details will come during may-june when google will release it... cheers
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My 2c for those saying it's an unreliable source...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105...nd-android-jelly-bean-to-wait-or-not-to-wait/
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Just because a story gets copy/pasted on various websites, doesn't make the original source any more valid.
Just like the iPhone 5 rumors that got copy/pasted on pretty much every single tech website on the internet, and guess what? 100% of them were wrong.
Heck, sites like Engadget had iPhone 5 rumors
Paul22000 said:
Just because a story gets copy/pasted on various websites, doesn't make the original source any more valid.
Just like the iPhone 5 rumors that got copy/pasted on pretty much every single tech website on the internet, and guess what? 100% of them were wrong.
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Granted, but do we know for sure that there wasn't an iPhone 5 on the cards, & they changed to 4S because they lost Jobs, & weren't fully prepared? No.
No-one is saying this is fact. We're just sharing info here. Take it with a pinch of salt.
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This is a discussion about the Gs3's future sales after the announcement of the most popular phone on the market, there have already been numerous 'comparison' threads closed, lets not turn this into one of those.
After today's underwhelming announcement of the iPhone5, the people sitting on the fence about whether to switch to the Galaxy S3 or Note2 (or something else) have to make a decision.
I've been reading comments on Android fan sites, Apple fan sites, and 'Neutral' tech sites, and the general feeling I got from all of them is that the iPhone5 just hasn't done enough to persuade a lot of people to stick with them.
Now, obviously, this thing will sell like hotcakes for the people that don't know any different to make an educated decision / that actually like the iPhone anyway / have bought too heavily into the apple ecosystem to switch now.
But those that are in the know, like everyone who watched the olympics... the S3 was plastered all over the place ... and the people that were keeping up with the patent trials (anyone who reads the news) will now know that there are better offerings out there and most likely opt for a Gs3.
So, do you think we will see a significant boost from the already 20m phones already sold?
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Samsung has done a wonderful job with the SGS3 and I'm sure the sales will keep up for some time, but it's not easy to convert Apple fanboys to Samsung. I don't think the sales are going to rise much further. The iPhone caught up pretty good (at least in the eyes of casual users).
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Samsung has done a wonderful job with the SGS3 and I'm sure the sales will keep up for some time, but it's not easy to convert Apple fanboys to Samsung. I don't think the sales are going to rise much further. The iPhone caught up pretty good (at least in the eyes of casual users).
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Even those that have been sitting on the fence the last couple of months to see what Apple has to offer?
Also, a personal insight, my mom and sister got a gs3 shortly after release, and genuinely with no persuading from me. They aren't tech heads, but they knew a class phone when they seen it.
The guys waiting for today to make their decision i think will go galaxy.
i think so, seen people taking 99$ deal on amazon right now
it will not be huge spike but there is going to be one.
for me the new iphone disappoint
no new tech or old favorites like fm radio, xenon flash, still LCD and only 4'
i mean 4.5 would have been fine
I wouldn't under estimate the loyalty a large percentage of smartphone users have towards Apple. Most of us probably had an iPhone at one time and moved to Andriod because we expanded our knowedge to include other smartphones and made an informed decision. There are a lot of people that don't realize there are options and will still buy the iPhone 5. Not sure if they will sell 20M after what I saw today but I have learned to never under estimate people with loyalties...
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I wouldn't under estimate the loyalty a large percentage of smartphone users have towards Apple. Most of us probably had an iPhone at one time and moved to Andriod because we expanded our knowedge to include other smartphones and made an informed decision. There are a lot of people that don't realize there are options and will still buy the iPhone 5. Not sure if they will sell 20M after what I saw today but I have learned to never under estimate people with loyalties...
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My boss wanted to buy the iphone 5. He is very loyalty to Apple. But he started liking my S3. He already have doubts about buying iphone or not.
My mission: convert him into an android guy and wake him up to the reality
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I wouldn't under estimate the loyalty a large percentage of smartphone users have towards Apple. Most of us probably had an iPhone at one time and moved to Andriod because we expanded our knowedge to include other smartphones and made an informed decision. There are a lot of people that don't realize there are options and will still buy the iPhone 5. Not sure if they will sell 20M after what I saw today but I have learned to never under estimate people with loyalties...
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Of course, they'll sell shed loads. But the huge advertising campaign with the Olympics, the recent trial and those already on the fence should have the gs3 planted in their heads! I think Samsung will steal a good few of them.
Htc might get a wee jeg too if they get in the news regarding the lte patents (if that even happens)
Exciting times for sure.
I've cleaned up the mess fellas. Please remember to be polite and let's not get too far into the "you know what" discussion. :highfive:
A guy named John Pirsig (sp?) wrote a book titled, 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance' a couple of decades back. In it he proposes there are 'Romantic' and 'Classical' people. He and a friend rode across the US (in the book & maybe in real life) on bikes. He had a Harley and the friend a BMW. (patience, it's coming... ) When they rode up the Rockies, the bikes started playing up and while he stopped and worked on his bike, and finally realised it was the reduction in atmospheric pressure needing just a tweak to fix, his mate went and paid a small fortune in a town garage to get his BMW fixed.
Pirsig talked for a bit about those who want an end-result experience and those who wanted to enjoy the journey. Some people forever focus on the end result and miss all the learning and fun along the way, 'big picture' people for whom the nuts and bolts are a horror to be avoided at all costs - literally in the case of his BMW mate.
At the time, as a Helpdesk person, I realised most Mac users are Romantics, people for whom computers are very much NOT fun and who use them solely to get a result and because they have to. Windows users were often some of the same sort, using Windows simply because their work said they had to, but far more of them would, if the subject was explained in terms they understood, become interested in the process and learn to fix their own printer/Word/Excel issues etc.
Apple have polarised the world again with their same-old, same-old tactics. The recent court case against Samsung proves Apple have not lost their litigious attitude towards protecting things they stole in the first place. (WIMP from Rank Xerox) And again we are shown the division between the Romantics and the Classicals - these forums are full of Classicals - look around and you will see lots of people who post about how wonderful this or that version of a ROM is, only to upgrade instantly a new version or even a different ROM comes along.
For most XDA'ers, I think the journey IS the end result - we tend to be travelling along with no particular goal in mind apart from a nebulous 'perfect phone' concept, and if all the developers stopped producing new ROMs to try we'd be heartbroken.
The Apple is good enough for most Apple users, be it Mac, iPad or iPhone. We will never convince them otherwise because they have sipped at the Kool-Aid fountain and like most religious people, they cannot even SEE the contrary information. It doesn't matter if the new iPhone has an A5, A6, A15 or quad or dual, it will be better in their eyes because it powers an Apple. They don't MIND buying expensive corsds ands connectors of all kinds because it is for Apple.
And they definitely don't see an ongoing development process as being a thing of benefit - Apple has spent far too many dollars convincing their world that you don't ever upgrade your device software, you just buy a new device. It is the proud boast of many Apple users that their product is far more stable than Windows, but my old enemy Microsoft constantly produced product that would work (most of the time) on any PC made across a spread of about 10 years, while Apple only ever made software for a very specific hardware platform - if you like, MS made an OS while Apple made glorified Firmware.
The same scenario is happening right now with Android. Android is being made to support all kinds of devices, with a legion of eager supporters providing updates and fixes. (on more of a Linux model than a MS one) Apple will not produce an iOS6 for their old phones, just for the brand new one you have to pay a small fortune for. Samsung (and other Android vendors) are producing updates so you get more life from your phone, providing a level of support to their clients Apple has never tried to match.
And eventually, the numbers will tell - just as in the PC/Mac wars, Apple had to compromise in both hardware and software, (Intel chips and running Windows on Macs) they will find eventually their tactics fail them. In my opinion, Android is the up-and-coming world of phones and pads, and Apple is the dinosaur relying desperately on massive programming... sorry, I mean advertising to keep their victims... I mean customers, loyal.
I think there will be a swing away from Apple as the actuality of the new phone falls far short of expectations and even the glitz Apple will give things will not hide the fact that all they have done is copy what is already being sold for hundreds less. But don't go expecting those weaned on the Kool-Aid to be coming over any time soon - the religious always resist the encroaching reality checks of the real world.
And on a personal note? I LIKE Apple for their litigiousness and mean spirit. If they had been sensible back in the late 80's/early 90's, we'd all be using Macs and locked down so tight I wouldn't have had a 25 year computer career helping others. For more than 2 decades I've had a job description of, 'I'm a bloke, and I fix stuff' that would never have been possible if Apple had treated their customers as anything other than sheeple to be fleeced to the maximum. Their greed allowed PC's to develop and become what we see, and now Apple's greed and contempt will allow Android the space to grow and become the new ubiquitous OS for mobile devices.
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A guy named......
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I didn't quote it all for obvious reasons, but god damn it, that is the best comment I have seen on xda in months.
If I could thank you twice I would.
Hats off to you sir, you have made my day. :thumbup:
I'm also gonna link this in my signature.
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
^^ possibly the most eloquent post I have ever read. Bravo Sir.
Edit, nodstuff was too quick and got in the way..
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^^ possibly the most eloquent post I have ever read. Bravo Sir.
Edit, nodstuff was too quick and got in the way..
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Why thank you very much! I apprecia.....
Oh. You weren't talking about my post...
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
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Why thank you very much! I apprecia.....
Oh. You weren't talking about my post...
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
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*grins* In 1987 I bought an XT clone (1MB Ram, twin 5.25" FDD's - envy of the few I knew with PC's because I could put my programs floppy AND my data one in at the same time ) to write books. I was sick of having to re-type a page or more just to change a sentence. 3 months later the PC got me a new job supporting WPO's at 3 grand per year more than I was getting. and I still haven't written my SciFi books. Working on it now and of course, along comes bloody Samsung S3 with Android and I'm fighting against techo distractions again... le sigh...
Forums like XDA will help greatly with selling Android; some older members need to recall that they once didn't know stuff but mostly folk are very helpful and there is a LOT of info to be had here. Mind you, it suffers a bit from popularity - search for something you want to know and you get like 5000 threads to look through. Needs an Advanced Search function, or maybe I just haven't found it yet. And why can't I search on the entire Samsung S3 forum? le sigh...
I think the reaction from a number of sites about how the court case showed Apple users how they could get everything Apple offered for far less if they stepped away from the Kool-Aid spigot shows an interesting facet to the competition. I haven't seen such comment before, even for Mac/Pentium battles. Usually it was about the differences, not the fact you could get the same thing. It could make a difference, particularly if the members here make a point of posting such a view on any/all forums they are members on.
5th column... the ONLY Army to join...
It is surely a good day for people that knows stuff from the gadget world but for common people they are still awed no matter what. The power of Apple's marketing can even turn a pile of scrap metal into gold.
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I didn't quote it all for obvious reasons, but god damn it, that is the best comment I have seen on xda in months.
If I could thank you twice I would.
Hats off to you sir, you have made my day. :thumbup:
I'm also gonna link this in my signature.
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
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I'm gonna quote that to my signature too.-
bbc news, sky news.... ripping into the iPhone. They say it boring, more of the same... and they mention the s3 a few times in each article.
This is big.
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bbc news, sky news.... ripping into the iPhone. They say it boring, more of the same... and they mention the s3 a few times in each article.
This is big.
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Source?
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Journyman16 said:
A guy named John Pirsig (sp?) wrote a book ...
Excellent, tanks
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CuBz90 said:
Source?
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just Search : iPhone 5: Consumer Anger Over £25 Adaptor
I'd link but not allowed :fingers-crossed:
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Source?
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http://news.sky.com/story/984469/new-iphone-is-more-of-the-same-from-apple
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19557497
I have the deal of a life time phone geeks!!!
$349.99 will get you a dual core phone that will NEVER receive any updates of any kind. Even if a security flaw is found that allows for the theft of all your data....NO UPDATE FOR YOU. Even if every other manufacturer (except Micromax) has updated their Tegra2 phones.... NO UPDATE FOR YOU. And if you are stupid enough to buy now, we will throw in a car dock for FREE! So what do you say!
"So how stupid do you think I am?"
For $599.99 will get you can get yet another dual core phone that will NEVER receive any updates of any kind. And if you are stupid enough to buy now, we will even charge you the original price of $59.99 for that cardock!
As of this post the Electrify and Photon are still being sold by Motorola as current phones even though they have abandoned both phones. Nowhere in the item description is it stated that the phones are no longer supported by Motorola.
Comedy
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Wow, that's motofail at an epic level
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i bought 4. anyone think these are gunna take off like beanie babies did?
Shame on you Motorola (again)
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It will get even funnier if you pass it along to your State Attorney General's Office, FTC and Sen. Al Franken. Selling them as current devices even though they are discontinued/EOL'd by the carriers and unsupported with regards to security updates is shady at best.
The new head of Motorola talks about earning our trust and but gives us nothing but meaningless PR about how Motorola is changing. Someone needs to sue them if at all possible. Maybe we could sue for the source to the atrix leak, I know someone managed to threaten HP into releasing source when they accidentally left android on a few touchpads. Motorola might have to state that it was an actual hack that caused the leak, if it was an employee(most likely) then they might be legally required to provide source code. I could be way off though, the GPL is somewhat murky when it comes to this.
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The new head of Motorola talks about earning our trust and but gives us nothing but meaningless PR about how Motorola is changing. Someone needs to sue them if at all possible. Maybe we could sue for the source to the atrix leak, I know someone managed to threaten HP into releasing source when they accidentally left android on a few touchpads. Motorola might have to state that it was an actual hack that caused the leak, if it was an employee(most likely) then they might be legally required to provide source code. I could be way off though, the GPL is somewhat murky when it comes to this.
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Yes sir
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Well, business are business, they only want to earn money
Lokifish Marz said:
I have the deal of a life time phone geeks!!!
$349.99 will get you a dual core phone that will NEVER receive any updates of any kind. Even if a security flaw is found that allows for the theft of all your data....NO UPDATE FOR YOU. Even if every other manufacturer (except Micromax) has updated their Tegra2 phones.... NO UPDATE FOR YOU. And if you are stupid enough to buy now, we will throw in a car dock for FREE! So what do you say!
"So how stupid do you think I am?"
For $599.99 will get you can get yet another dual core phone that will NEVER receive any updates of any kind. And if you are stupid enough to buy now, we will even charge you the original price of $59.99 for that cardock!
As of this post the Electrify and Photon are still being sold by Motorola as current phones even though they have abandoned both phones. Nowhere in the item description is it stated that the phones are no longer supported by Motorola.
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I can beat that! Today (Friday) only! Best Buy will give you a DROID RAZR, an Atrix HD or a Photon Q for free! It only requires a 2-year activation!!
LOL! Nice Lokifish, you almost fooled me into getting another POS MotoPho after I have left for another device... =D
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AGiLiT said:
I can beat that! Today (Friday) only! Best Buy will give you a DROID RAZR, an Atrix HD or a Photon Q for free! It only requires a 2-year activation!!
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Your post would have been spot on if BestBuy charged double the original list price and required a four year contract. That's ok. I don't get sarcasm either most of the time.
GPhoenix said:
LOL! Nice Lokifish, you almost fooled me into getting another POS MotoPho after I have left for another device... =D
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That's part of the point I was trying to make. You would have no idea that these phones are pretty much abandoned unless you already knew about all the BS moto pulled. Nobody from moto is even responding to this so I contacted cnet again and pretty much got a "you're kidding, right". Except for the fanboys, and those that don't do their research, I think the industry/comsumers has pretty much written Moto off at this point.
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Your post would have been spot on if BestBuy charged double the original list price and required a four year contract. That's ok. I don't get sarcasm either most of the time.
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In other words; you didn't get mine?
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In other words; you didn't get mine?
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brain is mush from hearing "my phone is brokened" all day so i missed it :silly:
What a steal! Great deal for an antique such as this...