http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/htc-tablets-fade-us-market-firm-keeps-options-open/2012-10-09
Personaly what could of saved them were critical updates.
Nice to hear it
my htc
A somewhat misleading article. HTC only started selling the Flyer for $299.00 when the company dropped the price to move unsold inventory. At that point I believe the tablets sold rather well. I'm pretty sure HTC couldn't sell the Flyer for $299 and turn a profit. And that's pretty much why HTC has to leave the tablet market. Apple is the only manufacturer that can create consumer interest in a premium tablet, and HTC has never been a value hardware manufacturer. I suspect they don't have the resrouces to muster the necessary economies of scale.
I love my Flyer. It's a top notch device and it's carried me this far. But HTC probably needs to concentrate on phones for the time being, and wait for third parties to prove that there's a viable tablet market for non-Apple products.
Htc needs one phone and one tablet and that is all! So far the phone is close.
Sent from my EVO using xda premium
HTC's statements capsize the rumors of a new 10" tablet coming anytime soon. But aside from that, there doesn't seem to be any real "news" here. It says they have discontinued tablet sales in the US. Were there any tablets that were still being sold? The Best Buy Flyer was discontinued a long time ago. If the View and Jetstream were still being sold anytime recently, and now being discontinued, it just seems the logical end-of-life for those products. They have been superceded by higher spec devices, and probably haven't been sold in any significant numbers of some time now
5", HTC tablet just announced for Japan market early December release. Quad core. 2GB of ram. Full hd screen. Tiny battery tho. Esp compared to the note 2. The note 2 is honestly what might replace my flyer next. If not then I'll hold out for next ten inch tab with super stylus 2GB ram and all that. But thia HTC phablet supposed to have a 440ppi screen
Sent from my LT28i using XDA Premium HD app
killerskincanoe said:
5", HTC tablet just announced for Japan market early December release. Quad core. 2GB of ram. Full hd screen. Tiny battery tho. Esp compared to the note 2. The note 2 is honestly what might replace my flyer next. If not then I'll hold out for next ten inch tab with super stylus 2GB ram and all that. But thia HTC phablet supposed to have a 440ppi screen
Sent from my LT28i using XDA Premium HD app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's a phone
j510 said:
That's a phone
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Some folks are using the word "phablet" for a device that is a big phone, or a small tablet. Some form factors (like the Galaxy Note, and the Dell Streak before it) are starting to blur the lines a bit.
But yeah, the Butterfly J is being touted as a phone, as far as I've read.
I use both a phone (One X) and a tablet (Flyer), and I'd never give up my Flyer for a 5 inch device, or anything much smaller than 7" for that matter. I'd carry a 5" device in my pocket as phone, yes possibly. But for relaxing at home, or on a plane, 7" is likely as small as I'd ever go.
redpoint73 said:
Some folks are using the word "phablet" for a device that is a big phone, or a small tablet. Some form factors (like the Galaxy Note, and the Dell Streak before it) are starting to blur the lines a bit.
But yeah, the Butterfly J is being touted as a phone, as far as I've read.
I use both a phone (One X) and a tablet (Flyer), and I'd never give up my Flyer for a 5 inch device, or anything much smaller than 7" for that matter. I'd carry a 5" device in my pocket as phone, yes possibly. But for relaxing at home, or on a plane, 7" is likely as small as I'd ever go.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
same here, using from DHD to One X, along with my flyer.
wish the support was better, i mwean i wish there was any support from HTC.
I still think HTC will come with a tablet since they seeing how other companies make money of it they wanna jump on too.
Like HTC didnt think it is neccesary to make a phone bigger than 4,7" (One X) now they com with a 5" phone/phablet?
Same will happen with tablets, dont think they will leave the tablet game.
flipflop87 said:
same here, using from DHD to One X, along with my flyer.
wish the support was better, i mwean i wish there was any support from HTC.
I still think HTC will come with a tablet since they seeing how other companies make money of it they wanna jump on too.
Like HTC didnt think it is neccesary to make a phone bigger than 4,7" (One X) now they com with a 5" phone/phablet?
Same will happen with tablets, dont think they will leave the tablet game.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think it will be same sheat like flyer - only year of support for that tablet and then they will release new one.
found a cheap option to buy HTC flyer - is it worthwhile?
laptopsdirect.co.uk/HTC_Flyer_Tablet_Android_-_16_GB_-_7_Wifi_Only__99HMK053-00/version.asp[/url]
is this still worth buying seeing as it has been discontinued?
is it essential to update to latest Android OS?
thanks
warwickw75 said:
laptopsdirect.co.uk/HTC_Flyer_Tablet_Android_-_16_GB_-_7_Wifi_Only__99HMK053-00/version.asp[/url]
is this still worth buying seeing as it has been discontinued?
is it essential to update to latest Android OS?
thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I wouldn't buy a wifi-only model. I bought mine because it is also a GSM phone, and that will make me hard-pressed to sell my Flyer. Even though I've since acquired an A500, my Flyer is my day to day tablet because it fits in my back pocket.
If you can find the GSM-unlocked model and the price is right, I'd go for that.
warwickw75 said:
laptopsdirect.co.uk/HTC_Flyer_Tablet_Android_-_16_GB_-_7_Wifi_Only__99HMK053-00/version.asp[/url]
is this still worth buying seeing as it has been discontinued?
is it essential to update to latest Android OS?
thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I wouldn't, seeing as the hardware is well over a year old, and there are better spec'ed devices at this point. How much is the Nexus 7 in the UK? Google appears to be preparing for an update to the N7, also. The 8 GB version was recently removed from the Play Market, which is presumably in preparation for a new 32 GB version (maybe with other hardware updates?).
I use mine on a day basis, the hardware in my opinion still performs as needed. Unfortunately an official update will not happen beyond Honeycomb, there are how ever some decent custom Roms. My EVO view is overclocked on stock HC, and runs great. I would still say get a newer one just because the value of the new hardware and OS makes the updated models worth buying. My picks for tablet upgrades are Asus transformer infinity/prime (both these models are great.) Nexus 7. Both choices are worth the price IMO.
Sent from my PG41200 using XDA Premium HD app
"A great learning experience"
Thanks for posting this. Absurd quote from HTC's "global online communications manager":
"It was a great learning experience for us, and they definitely met expectations."
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
A "learning experience"? What is this, high school? And whose expectations? Not mine. I had to send my Flyer in four times during the warranty period, the result of bad parts and shoddy workmanship. And after that, HTC refused to replace their faulty tablet. After the warranty expired, the charging jack failed. HTC said they would fix it, for a price. Just before I sent payment, I called to confirm and was told that they didn't have that simple part anymore because the tablet had been discontinued. They then returned my now-HTC Brick, and no one from HTC has ever responded to subsequent emails I have sent.
So no tears over HTC leaving the tablet business. No tears if they go out of business altogether, or if their CEO spontaneously combusts during a public appearance. Over a 2-3 year period, my Asus TF-101 has worked perfectly, but my HTC Flyer's a brick now, thanks to HTC's lack of foresight and lack of concern for their customers - or even for keeping their customers. Pathetic people, pathetic company.
Edited 2015-Jan-04
why is HTC doing this their tablets are AWESOME
Related
Hi Everyone,
I am excited as many of you are about the stylus/scribe feature that the HTC Flyer is coming out with, supposingly this month....according to Clove.co.uk.
According to seveal sites, mostly using the same info, HTC is releasing a 8.9 and 10 inch tablet, coming out this June 2011.
http://www.dkszone.net/htc-10-inch-touchpad-release-june
http://blog.gsmarena.com/an-unannou...-inch-samsung-tablet-come-alive-in-rumorland/
Apparently, they will have some updatetd hardware along with hopefully the stylus/scribe feature.....I am sure, since this is key to their tablet marketing strategy.
Although I like the idea of a 7" screen for portability, I won't shy away from a larger one, especially if it has some better hardware. i.e. ports, cpu, memory etc..
I really hope this is true!!
The flyer looks amazing but it could be so much more with bigger screen and such
I've also read somewhere that the other tablets will come with nvidia tegra
I hope they come out soon, I was going to get flyer, but these sound something to wait for
Is the pen input pretty precise on these models?
From what I've heard its really good
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
Should edit the title: it's not 8.9", its 10" only.
The 8.9" is a Samsung.
Dual core finally!
10 inch is still fine with me !!
And yes the almighty dual core, nor just to ponder if they choose the same 1.2 in eve 3d/sensation, or they don't underclock it and leave it at 1.5 or NVIDIA tegra 2 either way it'll be beast
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
And also, 3d features anyone?
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
they definitely rushed th flyer out!
True, but in comparison most of the other tablets so far only have stock versions of Android at last we have a dam good version of sense
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
Judging by the price of the 7' flyer, steve jobs and bill gates will be the only people able to afford it
If ur in the US don't complain its hfslf the price it is in Europe
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
yea $500 does not seem terrible, and honestly sense will make this thing a beauty to use. I plan on trying this thing out for work, and hopefully getting the company to at least entertain the idea of using the note taking ability. I would like to see HTC offer the ability to turn off sense like you used to be able to do in winmo 6.1, would be nice to have the option for stock honeycomb when it happens. Also let's not forget this is an HTC device, i'm sure this thing will be rootable/hackable to no end!
And for the record, i hope they just stop with the whole 3d bs, hope that tech never catches on
Ye, I plan on using mine for school, taking notes in my classes, should be perfect, its well worth it for me,
P.s. is there any information available on where HTC watch will be available? Cos itunes and others don't sell or rent movies in Norway was wondering if HTC have the rights to do so, seeing as is advertised on website like all other countries :/
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
htowngator said:
Should edit the title: it's not 8.9", its 10" only.
The 8.9" is a Samsung.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just updated the title, thanks.
I am more happy anyway with a 10" anyway.
I certainly hope HTC keeps the stylus feature in this larger tablet. That would be perfect for my requirements.
Well.....June is just around the corner.......looks like summer is going to be a great Android Tablet month.
Here's something from The Tech Journal, May 6th 2011........it has a picture of the 10" tablet. Real or not ???
http://thetechjournal.com/electronics/tablet/htc-android-tablet.xhtml
HTC need to release more 5-9 inches tablets, 10 is too much for mobile use..
I thought I read somewhere that Pegatron is also one of the iPad 2 manufacturers along with Foxconn... Not good news if HTC is going with them. Just look at all the supply problem Asus is having with its Transformer.
I heard that price will be ~799+$
Official announcement will come out once the Flyer is released. I can't wait for this, but I have a feeling it won't be out in June. Maybe later imo.
I want a 10"
tht13 said:
I really hope this is true!!
The flyer looks amazing but it could be so much more with bigger screen and such
I've also read somewhere that the other tablets will come with nvidia tegra
I hope they come out soon, I was going to get flyer, but these sound something to wait for
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I highly doubt HTC will push out an nvidia chip - mostly they have an agreement with Qualcomm for a start if I am not mistaken.
That's why when everyone was announcing dual core phones they pushed out a single core Desire S/Incredible S...
Then they fly in with the HTC Sensation with dual core to rival the Galaxy S II.
I have a Xoom at home Wifi 10" is great for home use - 7" seems a good size for out and about (aside from a phone) - so I'd be interested to see what the 10" are like to get a second tablet at home...
Good day all. I'm a Best Buy Silver member and have 45 day returns on merchandise. Anyways I picked up the Flyer a week ago and compared to the other tabs I have owned or own (Asus, Acer A500 and A100, HP Touchpad) this is the best in terms of overall functions. Another reason why I say that is because 10 inch tabs are over-the-top; especially if they don't have any ports (that's why I kept the Acer A500). I find 7-9 inchers are more usable. This Flyer is smooth and functions properly unlike most of the Honeycomb tabs. My only concern is will HTC update this beautiful beast? So I'm posing the question to the community of whether to ditch the Flyer or wait it out. Also any input or thoughts about the Samsung 7.0 Plus and if its worth the extra $100 are appreciated
I wish HTC would say something offical and it will make my decision clear.
Sent from my HTC Flyer P512 using xda premium
The Sammy 7plus will have a TFT LCD screen (like Acer A100) not the Super AMOLED or IPS. That should give a pretty poor viewing angle, not up to Sams usual standards and thus much cheaper to build. On the other hand, Sammy has been promising lots of software updates lately.
DigitalMD said:
The Sammy 7plus will have a TFT LCD screen (like Acer A100) not the Super AMOLED or IPS. That should give a pretty poor viewing angle, not up to Sams usual standards and thus much cheaper to build. On the other hand, Sammy has been promising lots of software updates lately.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yea this tablet game is crazy. Sometimes I wish I would have been simple and gotten an iPad. Android is getting ridiculous. Anyways the inferred remote, updates, and Samsung usually has a decent amount of accessories is what's keeping me interested. I just have a bad feeling that the flyer is dead.
Sent from my HTC Flyer P512 using xda premium
its maddening. HTC built an almost perfect tablet in the FLyer and then overpriced it at introduction and has failed to support it properly now. Makes me wonder if they are exiting the tablet market.
I too am starting to think HTC is calling it quits. Xoom 2 8.2inch where art thou. I would skip the samsung and wait for that. Much like the original xoom it will be nexus like and will get the most recent updates straight from Google. I miss my original xoom but it was just too darn large.
Sent from my HTC Flyer P512 using Tapatalk
lrs421 said:
I too am starting to think HTC is calling it quits. Xoom 2 8.2inch where art thou. I would skip the samsung and wait for that. Much like the original xoom it will be nexus like and will get the most recent updates straight from Google. I miss my original xoom but it was just too darn large.
Sent from my HTC Flyer P512 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think the Xoom 2 is a 8.2. I perfer the 7 inch, because I played with the Samsung 8 inch but it is tad big. I'm looking for something I can whip out in public and not look ridiculous. I think the Xoom will cost $545 though, didn't they learn anything?
http://androidcommunity.com/8-inch-...101/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
Sent from my HTC Flyer P512 using xda premium
Ack, I'm conflicted on where to jump into the tablet market. Granted an IPad would play VERY nicely w/my work MacBook & make life a bit easier, HOWEVER, it's large ~sigh~
Looked at the Xoom the other day and, yeah, too big to tote around comfortably so I started leaning toward the Flyer (I'm a huge HTC fan, love rooting my TBolt & Eris prior to that) but it seems like a lot of owners feel disappointed in HTC's (lack of) support for the device.
Maybe they'll go on a sub $200 fire sale if they announce 'no more'
I'm not sure what to get - but I do know that I want the ability to add storage, ie SD, etc., probably want a 7-8" screen with 9-10" being too large and I'd like it to have a good developer base behind it so I can root away and stay the flash addict that I am. Oh and I'd like the screen to be kind on the eyes for book reading & readable outdoors (so that means I need the AMOLED screen I believe?). I also like the $300 price point of this.
What else are you guys using besides the Flyer?
Tx
chimp
chimpsnest said:
Ack, I'm conflicted on where to jump into the tablet market. Granted an IPad would play VERY nicely w/my work MacBook & make life a bit easier, HOWEVER, it's large ~sigh~
Looked at the Xoom the other day and, yeah, too big to tote around comfortably so I started leaning toward the Flyer (I'm a huge HTC fan, love rooting my TBolt & Eris prior to that) but it seems like a lot of owners feel disappointed in HTC's (lack of) support for the device.
Maybe they'll go on a sub $200 fire sale if they announce 'no more'
I'm not sure what to get - but I do know that I want the ability to add storage, ie SD, etc., probably want a 7-8" screen with 9-10" being too large and I'd like it to have a good developer base behind it so I can root away and stay the flash addict that I am. Oh and I'd like the screen to be kind on the eyes for book reading & readable outdoors (so that means I need the AMOLED screen I believe?). I also like the $300 price point of this.
What else are you guys using besides the Flyer?
Tx
chimp
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Acer A500 and Nexus S. I do agree the 10 inch ones are to large for daily use especially in public. At they are cool bit I need something portable.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using xda premium
qhinton said:
Acer A500 and Nexus S. I do agree the 10 inch ones are to large for daily use especially in public. At they are cool bit I need something portable.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you, but the Nexus S is a phone, isn't it? And, yeah the 10" tab is going to be too large.
I'll have to get to Best Buy and see if they at least have an HTC Flyer on display that I can fiddle with.
I'm trying to make pretty much the same decision. I would rather not be left without an update to ICS. Other than that, the Flyer is looking pretty good. I like the design of it over the Galaxy Tab (though its design isn't horrible either), and it certainly felt snappy enough during my brief use of it in the store. The Tab is $100 more, and I doubt it will drop in the near future (i.e. before the end of the year), since it's a brand new product and Samsung would have a bunch of pissed off early-adopters on their hands. The Flyer, on the other hand, stands to drop in price again, since it's relatively old.
I was also considering the original Galaxy Tab because of the GSM capabilities (would be nice to throw in a pre-paid SIM card just in case), but Samsung failed to include it in the list of devices they're going to upgrade to ICS, and it felt just a tiny bit slow in the store, at least compared to the Flyer.
I am waiting for the day that Asus releases a 7 inch tablet. If they ever do, I will buy it and never look back. They release products that have top notch hardware and the best software and update support in my opinion. If only the transformer or transformer prime were a bit smaller, then they would be perfect for what I want.
mikejwatkins said:
I am waiting for the day that Asus releases a 7 inch tablet. If they ever do, I will buy it and never look back. They release products that have top notch hardware and the best software and update support in my opinion. If only the transformer or transformer prime were a bit smaller, then they would be perfect for what I want.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
They are ok. I have owned 2 Transformers and the build quality was not there. From the hollow back, light bleed, and cracking speakers. That's how I ended up with the Acer is was just solid.
Sent from my HTC Flyer P512 using xda premium
Yeah I had the Acer A100 for a couple of months. Too bad they skimped so much on the hardware. Terrible display, terrible microphone, poor battery life. The software was fine.
qhinton said:
They are ok. I have owned 2 Transformers and the build quality was not there. From the hollow back, light bleed, and cracking speakers. That's how I ended up with the Acer is was just solid.
Sent from my HTC Flyer P512 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
DigitalMD said:
Yeah I had the Acer A100 for a couple of months. Too bad they skimped so much on the hardware. Terrible display, terrible microphone, poor battery life. The software was fine.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
TBH... The Flyer is slow compared to the new Dual Core tablets. however... for 300$ + the added pen functionality it's worth it.
My screen also has a yellow tint... Is that the same as every1 Else's?
Maedhros said:
TBH... The Flyer is slow compared to the new Dual Core tablets. however... for 300$ + the added pen functionality it's worth it.
My screen also has a yellow tint... Is that the same as every1 Else's?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The screen should not be yellow.
Actually at 1.5ghz the flyer is faster in most cases than any tablet out there. Dual core doesn't get you more usable speed in almost every case because few if any apps are designed in a way that can make use of the dual cores and Android only lets one app be foreground at a time. So most of the time a dual core is only using one and its slower than the Flyer.
DigitalMD said:
The screen should not be yellow.
Actually at 1.5ghz the flyer is faster in most cases than any tablet out there. Dual core doesn't get you more usable speed in almost every case because few if any apps are designed in a way that can make use of the dual cores and Android only lets one app be foreground at a time. So most of the time a dual core is only using one and its slower than the Flyer.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You are right. I looked at some benchmark test it test better then every HC tab except te Samsung 10.1
Sent from my HTC Flyer P512 using xda premium
Black Friday will probably yield some good deals, so I'm at least hanging tight for that pricing to come out before jumping on anything - and I think I'm going to sell my Ipod Touch, latest gen, NEVER use it.
Ahhh, eBay (or friends on FB, lol)
I have the flyer and I love it! It's built super solid, its very fast, and I love how it scales apps in contrast to how to Galaxy tab did. On a 7" device I would end up using more phone apps then tablet apps anyway, so I don't care about honeycomb. I love my Flyer! The only thing that may replace it is the Galaxy Note...but then again I may still keep it since its really not worth it to only get $200 used for it. Hell, I'd keep it for that just to lend out or use it as a dedicated clock!
I used to be a active user here on XDA when Wondows mobile was the "cool" Mobile OS. Then I bought a iPod Touch when my father bought into the iPhone 3G. I got sucked into Apple with the 3GS, then the 4. I bought a 64gb 3g iPad when it came out, as well...but then I bought a ATT 3g Galaxy Tab refurbished just to try out android....and fell in love.(it made me feel like I used to with windows mobile...the customization) I kept the TAB for a few months then decided to sell both my iPad and my Tab and buy a iPad wifi for cheap, and a Flyer. I canceled my contract and used my unlimited ipad SIM in my Jailbroken iPhone 4....Loving life($30 a month is my only phone bill!)! That iPhone may be downgraded to a mp3 player though....since I am eye balling the Galaxy Note now.
freak4dell said:
I'm trying to make pretty much the same decision. I would rather not be left without an update to ICS. Other than that, the Flyer is looking pretty good. I like the design of it over the Galaxy Tab (though its design isn't horrible either), and it certainly felt snappy enough during my brief use of it in the store. The Tab is $100 more, and I doubt it will drop in the near future (i.e. before the end of the year), since it's a brand new product and Samsung would have a bunch of pissed off early-adopters on their hands. The Flyer, on the other hand, stands to drop in price again, since it's relatively old.
I was also considering the original Galaxy Tab because of the GSM capabilities (would be nice to throw in a pre-paid SIM card just in case), but Samsung failed to include it in the list of devices they're going to upgrade to ICS, and it felt just a tiny bit slow in the store, at least compared to the Flyer.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't think the Plus will drop in price either. The OG TAB is still. 400
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using xda premium
qhinton said:
I don't think the Plus will drop in price either. The OG TAB is still. 400
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The WiFi version is $300 on Amazon. But yes, the GSM one that I want is still pretty pricey. If I got the original Tab, though, I'd just pick it up from eBay or the forums or something. Or, maybe it will be on sale during Black Friday, since any retailers that still have them need to clear their inventory to make room for the Plus.
This is a hard decision, to be honest. After doing some more research on the Flyer, it seems that the easiest one to acquire in the States (the WiFi one from Best Buy), is also the one that throws up hurdles for modders, such as the inability to go back to stock from a custom ROM.
Now I'm kind of back at square one, debating between the original Tab, the Tab Plus, the Flyer, the IdeaPad A1, and pending more details and reviews, the Huawei MediaPad.
i was just wondering, do you think the Jetstream will get ICS?
HTC announced the other day of the first wave of devices that will get it..the Jetstream wasn't on that list. i know not all hope is lost, but i fear they won't update it. and it needs to be updated, the 3.1 is simply the worst.
so, what do you think?
p.s
i'm writing every couple of days on the HTC facebook wall about that, hoping to get some attention..
i think it'll be good if others will do the same.
I have no doubt we will get it. HTC is one of the manufacturers that promised to support android updates for 18 months after a product is released.
Sent from my HTC PG09410 using xda premium
I would be quite surprised and disappointed if the Jetstream wasn't one of the first devices to see ICS. System wide stylus support and better media and social integration would seem to me to align quite well with HTC's goals to have a stand-out device. In it's current configuration the Jetstream just seems eccentric and inefficient. Some of the best hardware being smothered by its software. The removal of h.264 support, the rather ho hum browser and mail apps and lack of quality applications to take advantage of scribe (notes and PDFviewer are rather miserable,) really hamper what could be a stand-out device (in a way other than price.) Here's to hoping some ice cream sandwiches are sufficient to reverse this hypoglycemic techno shock.
that's exactly what i was thinking!
honeycomb 3.1 is the worse android version out there.
and you can actually feel the device suffering with it.
i'm affraid htc won't bother to update it because they only have a couple of tablets, both of them are not best sellers...
i'd be less anxious about it if we had a root access or at least an unlocked bootloader. but htc are taking their sweet time with that as well.
i hope i'm mistaking..
guru_shastri said:
honeycomb 3.1 is the worse android version out there.
and you can actually feel the device suffering with it.
i'm affraid htc won't bother to update it because they only have a couple of tablets, both of them are not best sellers...
i'd be less anxious about it if we had a root access or at least an unlocked bootloader. but htc are taking their sweet time with that as well.
i hope i'm mistaking..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Couldn't agree more. It seems like the few of us that bought this device are going to be stuck with what it shipped with - no dev support and no HTC support. Hope I'm wrong too...
As someone who is on the fence about buying this device, the lack of support concerns me. Of course we could all be wrong and htc will support it.
It's unfortunate htc gave this device to AT&T. Can AT&T be charged with tablet-slaughter? I don't think there is a device on the market that compares and won't until sometime after February 2012, at least from an artist's perspective. So I could wait six months or just get one. There will always be a new device coming and if I keep waiting I may never get anything.
Here's hoping htc supports the Jetstream.
the weirdest thing
is that even the bounty got no response.
personally i can't spare the money (espcially after purchasing the Jetstream itself), but 550$ for cracking it, and no takers? i'm worried.
if your not an owner - don't get one.
that's my opinion.
guru_shastri said:
is that even the bounty got no response.
personally i can't spare the money (espcially after purchasing the Jetstream itself), but 550$ for cracking it, and no takers? i'm worried.
if your not an owner - don't get one.
that's my opinion.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The thing is I don't plan to root the device. I just want it for sketchbook pro, photoshop touch and general web browsing.
cmunho said:
The thing is I don't plan to root the device. I just want it for sketchbook pro, photoshop touch and general web browsing.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Then you will love it. I have no doubt. Haven't worked with PS touch, but sketchbook pro is amazing on the jetstream with the stylus..
matanuska said:
I would be quite surprised and disappointed if the Jetstream wasn't one of the first devices to see ICS.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The Jetstream has all the makings of an orphan. It's only been released (via the carriers) in the U.S. and Canada. I'd guess total sales to be below 50K units total. There was never a Wi-Fi version released and it was never offered through retail channels - the exact opposite of the Flyer. HTC's already announced the quad-core Quattro 10.1 tablet for Q1 2012 in both 3G and Wi-Fi versions. Also, AT&T's just started selling an LTE G-Tab 8.9 with the same processor that's in the Jetstream for a lot less money. They're also throwing in a free Skyrocket as part of the launch which certainly is more aggresive than a free Scribe pen. I think the Jetstream's days are numbered and if it does get ICS its low volume certainly wouldn't put it at the top of HTC's list.
i think your right...
BarryH_GEG said:
The Jetstream has all the makings of an orphan. It's only been released (via the carriers) in the U.S. and Canada. I'd guess total sales to be below 50K units total. There was never a Wi-Fi version released and it was never offered through retail channels - the exact opposite of the Flyer. HTC's already announced the quad-core Quattro 10.1 tablet for Q1 2012 in both 3G and Wi-Fi versions. Also, AT&T's just started selling an LTE G-Tab 8.9 with the same processor that's in the Jetstream for a lot less money. They're also throwing in a free Skyrocket as part of the launch which certainly is more aggresive than a free Scribe pen. I think the Jetstream's days are numbered and if it does get ICS its low volume certainly wouldn't put it at the top of HTC's list.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i'm not sure they can abandon it alltogether. i have no hope from at&t mainly because i don't live in the USA.
HTC must support it in one way or another...i just hope that it won't end in a 3.2 version in 6 monthes from now.
it s-o expensive, and to have spent so much money and be ignored pisses me off.
guru_shastri said:
i have no hope from at&t mainly because i don't live in the USA.
HTC must support it in one way or another...i just hope that it won't end in a 3.2 version in 6 monthes from now.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Because it was never sold retail, any updates will only be made available by and through the carriers not HTC directly. As for ICS, I'd guess it depends how much of the work on the Quattro can be easilly ported to the Jetstream and how willing AT&T is to accept the training and documentation liability when so few units were sold.
BarryH_GEG said:
Because it was never sold retail, any updates will only be made available by and through the carriers not HTC directly. As for ICS, I'd guess it depends how much of the work on the Quattro can be easilly ported to the Jetstream and how willing AT&T is to accept the training and documentation liability when so few units were sold.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If I'm not mistaken, the Jetstream had a 6 month or so exclusivity agreement with the carriers prior to being able to be launched through any other channels.... Not sure what will change but we shall see.
BarryH_GEG said:
Because it was never sold retail, any updates will only be made available by and through the carriers not HTC directly. As for ICS, I'd guess it depends how much of the work on the Quattro can be easilly ported to the Jetstream and how willing AT&T is to accept the training and documentation liability when so few units were sold.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This concerns me about the Jetstream. I really wish there were a way for the consumer to be protected for some amount of time. I just bought one and I like it pretty well. It's decently fast, but so far I think I like my HTC Flyer better!
At least I have 2 weeks if I want to return it. I'm not happy about all the "bloatware" that's included in the device. I wish there were a way to do an "HTC" only install of Honeycomb without all the AT&T junk.
cmunho said:
At least I have 2 weeks if I want to return it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'd return it. If you're OK with Wi-Fi only, I'd wait a month or two as Asus, Lenovo, and Acer have already announced quad-core tablets the latter two come with 2MB of RAM and 1900x1200 displays. If you want a carrier tablet, I'd get the LTE G-Tab 8.9 that launched today. It's got the same processor as the Jetstream, costs a lot less, has a great dev community, is confirmed to get ICS, has a bunch of available accessories, and will have better resale value if you want to sell it. AT&T's running a promotion starting today that offers a free Skyrocket with purchase. I'm using a UK G-Tab 10.1 3G that I bought after I returned my Jetstream and I like it a lot.
BarryH_GEG said:
I'd return it. If you're OK with Wi-Fi only, I'd wait a month or two as Asus, Lenovo, and Acer have already announced quad-core tablets the latter two come with 2MB of RAM and 1900x1200 displays. If you want a carrier tablet, I'd get the LTE G-Tab 8.9 that launched today. It's got the same processor as the Jetstream, costs a lot less, has a great dev community, is confirmed to get ICS, has a bunch of available accessories, and will have better resale value if you want to sell it. AT&T's running a promotion starting today that offers a free Skyrocket with purchase. I'm using a UK G-Tab 10.1 3G that I bought after I returned my Jetstream and I like it a lot.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The bigggest thing for me, is there aren't other tablets that have the active digitizer. That's really why I got the Jetstream. Sure there are more tablets coming, but I don't think they will be really good until we get Windows 8 and wacom active digitizer, but that's a year away. I need a portable sketching machine for a year. This is the best there is unfortunately. Am I missing something? Is there something better with an active digitizer?
cmunho said:
The bigggest thing for me, is there aren't other tablets that have the active digitizer. That's really why I got the Jetstream. Sure there are more tablets coming, but I don't think they will be really good until we get Windows 8 and wacom active digitizer, but that's a year away. I need a portable sketching machine for a year. This is the best there is unfortunately. Am I missing something? Is there something better with an active digitizer?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
that's what i thought. i really wanted an electronic notebook to help me with my studies.
so i took the jetstream for the same reason.
the built-in apps for pen are pretty worthless.
you would probably use an external app that would also run on any other tablet. you should try playing with a simpler tablet using a stylus pen (there are some generic kinds. with fatter tips, but far cheaper) and see how that works for you.
also, you can check out the lenovo thinkpad.
http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/tablet/thinkpad/
cmunho said:
The bigggest thing for me, is there aren't other tablets that have the active digitizer. That's really why I got the Jetstream. Sure there are more tablets coming, but I don't think they will be really good until we get Windows 8 and wacom active digitizer, but that's a year away. I need a portable sketching machine for a year. This is the best there is unfortunately. Am I missing something? Is there something better with an active digitizer?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The Flyer and Jetstream are the only two tablets even half way decent at pen entry. The Galaxy Note actually has a Wacom digitizer and is excellent for drawing and note taking but I'm guessing it's too small for your needs. ICS is supposed to support pen entry natively but we'll have to see how good it ends up being.
Thanks for the suggestion of the Lenovo thinkpad tablet. I was actually trying to choose between that device and the Jetstream. I chose the Jetstream because I felt like their quality was higher. There have been tons of reports of bad thinkpad tablets.
Galaxy Note was on my list for a new phone, but I think it's too small for what I want. I have some days to return the Jetstream so I will continue to try it out. Also, I noticed there has been a price drop at AT&T to $749 plus a $50 gift card rebate.
I still think maybe AT&T butchered this tablet with sloppy apps and tasks. It's not as fast as it should be. My HTC Flyer seems more responsive.
once we have root and S-OFF, I think this tablet will be the best
Sprint has updated their end of life list... And it now includes the View...
Is this a sign of the death of this tablet as a hole? Flyer is barely sold and the View is EOL...
Or maybe this is pointing to new tablets during the HTC press event coming up...
Check out Phandroid for more details
All electronics have a limited lifecyle. The problem with the Flyer and View isn't that they reached EOL so soon, but rather that:
1) The tablets were priced too high, and so sales weren't as robust as HTC would have liked
2) HTC was too slow in porting Honeycomb. In fact, the Honeycomb upgrade pretty much coincided with the tablets being discontinued. Contrast that with the ASUS Transformer Prime, that was released only a few weeks ago (and is still scarce) and already has an ICS upgrade.
EOL doesn't mean much to me. Heck, it might even be a good thing it they release the complete source code.
I mean my captivate is not only EOL, it isn't even sold anymore at all... I still have ICS on it the Galaxy Nexus even hit retail.
Biggest tragedy imho is if something happened to my flyer I wouldn't be able to get another one..
I think it has more to do with the fact that sprint is moving to LTE and they will stop selling all wimax products this year. They will only have their wimax networks online until 2015. Maybe that's why they gave me mine for $0.99. And no activation fee.
It only means sprint wont sell or support it any longer.. (No updates, patches, etc..)
For all those who scooped up the 1saleaday deal (in early December or the one last week ). This is why you got a great deal (I got 3 of em). Sprint wanted to dump them before they had to sell them for $100. Even if you use sprint.. this means nothing. It will still work and (I'm pretty sure) you can still activate it.
If you plan to use it as wifi only (like me).. then this means less than nothing.
XDA Devs offer WAY better support and upgrades than any carrier.
Don't worry. My team (CypherTeam) will be working on an ICS port as soon as we get a final HC build finished. The view will live on and as others stated, reaching EOL just means that we'll get the source faster and be able to do whatever we want.
It really doesn't come as a surprise to me that it came so quickly bc the specs on the View/Flyer are not up there with the majority of tablets. That being said, with the source we should be able to get this thing running close to 2ghz with no issues.
I didn't pay $99, I paid $0.99 or 99 cents. I couldn't believe it was that cheap. I had to have a plan to get it that cheap, but I have 6 business lines now, so the 15% discount makes the tablet plan end up being free, and I use it pretty much exclusively wifi anyway.
soundimpressions said:
I think it has more to do with the fact that sprint is moving to LTE and they will stop selling all wimax products this year. They will only have their wimax networks online until 2015. Maybe that's why they gave me mine for $0.99. And no activation fee.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wait what? You got the Evo View for 99 cents??
Is that with a 2 year contract??
spartan1987 said:
Don't worry. My team (CypherTeam) will be working on an ICS port as soon as we get a final HC build finished. The view will live on and as others stated, reaching EOL just means that we'll get the source faster and be able to do whatever we want.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Does that mean view hopefully can be used on LTE NET ?
Yea HTC definitely dropped to ball with the pricing of it.
Our tablet is still awesome, single core but comparative in speed to dual core tablets out there in the market.
I'm really happy with my purchase.. now I wish we had more dev interest around for our devices
Yeah they were priced as high as a dual core 10 inch honeycomb tablet yet only had a single core, gingerbread, and a 7 inch screen. Don't get me wrong I prefer the 7 inch size, but not for the same price as a bigger tablet. I mean honestly with its high clock speed and 1 gig of ram, it feels as fast as any dual core tablet and I think it could of been a hit had htc priced it at say $300 at launch.
Imo I think they shouldn't be so quick to give up on them. I think they should update them to ics and sell them new for $200. I guarantee it would be a hit especially over the craptastic kindle fire!
Sent from my SGH-I897 using XDA
In all fairness to HTC the tablet out right feels like a 500$ tablet.. which is what made the 300$ price tag so sweet.
My girlfriend ordered one off of ebay just yesterday because her Nook Color just doesn't compare. She uses it too much like a tablet and even after loading CM7 and what not on it, is just tired of constantly fixing issues..
The tablet has a premium feel and if they could make profit at 200$ I would think they would have already priced it at 200$..
The acer A100 is an alternative to the flyer at 250$ and as cheap as 200$.. It sure as hell doesn't feel like the flyer and lacks a lot of the refinement. The problem is now, even at 200$ people would look at the specs and never even try it out before looking down on it.
People are more concerned with specs than actual experiences these days.. (well in the phone world at least.. in the desktop world specs mean a bit more).. It really is sad that because of marketing techniques and the way devices are sold that the flyer gets over looked..
I finally bought my Flyer yesterday. Though there were many choices in the same price range (including iPad 2), I had made up my mind due to the no-nonsense spec.s, solid build & of course, the pen! And I must say, I am thoroughly impressed by this baby..looking forward to being a part of the XDA Flyer community..
Snow_fox said:
In all fairness to HTC the tablet out right feels like a 500$ tablet.. which is what made the 300$ price tag so sweet.
My girlfriend ordered one off of ebay just yesterday because her Nook Color just doesn't compare. She uses it too much like a tablet and even after loading CM7 and what not on it, is just tired of constantly fixing issues..
The tablet has a premium feel and if they could make profit at 200$ I would think they would have already priced it at 200$..
The acer A100 is an alternative to the flyer at 250$ and as cheap as 200$.. It sure as hell doesn't feel like the flyer and lacks a lot of the refinement. The problem is now, even at 200$ people would look at the specs and never even try it out before looking down on it.
People are more concerned with specs than actual experiences these days.. (well in the phone world at least.. in the desktop world specs mean a bit more).. It really is sad that because of marketing techniques and the way devices are sold that the flyer gets over looked..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I also started with the nook color as my first tablet.
Quickly sold it though because I got a hell of a deal with the HTC flyer.
I recommend flashing the CM7 ROM directly to the emmc/hard disk on the NC. Don't rely on the microSD card.
I had issues too until I did this.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using xda premium
A new HTC tablet is comming to the UK. I hope it is gonna be a 7 inch with stylus. That is the size I need.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-vertex-hd-tablet-uncovered-with-quad-core-tegra-3-12238285/
they should fix honeycomb before moving on
I would not buy it until HTC proves they are committed to it
Flyer
Actually, a new device hopefully not too different from Flyer with a new ROM would be a nice port base. Why complain?
EDIT: http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/12/htc-vertex-pops-up-in-benchmarks/
Because some like official rom
mcord11758 said:
I would not buy it until HTC proves they are committed to it
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I came here to pretty much say the same thing. HTC's lack of decent support for tablets has turned me off to their future offerings until they get their act together. They also dropped the ball on my Evo 3D which is another sore subject. lol.
flyer 2
the support for one was very bad and as only tablet we do not get ICS, thei can forget me as customer
HTC can go suck a fat one. I'm sorry. But this is their second foray into the tablet market, & again they're (planning to) release their product with an outdated OS. Why a crappy 2MP rear camera? HTC have seen the last of my money. Anybody interested in their products, I wish them good luck.
Sent from my HTC Flyer P510e using xda premium
After miserable failures on the Flyer and Jet Stream (I own a Flyer) which were good hardware but failed due to extreme high price and lack of software updates, I doubt HTC can make any headway. I expect this new tablet will be priced at about $600 if HTC history has any bearing
j510 said:
they should fix honeycomb before moving on
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Honeycomb works fine for me.
MrS600L said:
HTC can go suck a fat one. I'm sorry. But this is their second foray into the tablet market, & again they're (planning to) release their product with an outdated OS. Why a crappy 2MP rear camera? HTC have seen the last of my money. Anybody interested in their products, I wish them good luck.
Sent from my HTC Flyer P510e using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Huh the page I read said it was running ICS...how is that "outdated"?
DigitalMD said:
After miserable failures on the Flyer and Jet Stream (I own a Flyer) which were good hardware but failed due to extreme high price and lack of software updates, I doubt HTC can make any headway. I expect this new tablet will be priced at about $600 if HTC history has any bearing
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
2 MP camera sounds more like in a budget tablet. $600 will be too high for a budget tablet. Tablet market is very competitive. Very nice wifi only tablets are coming for $ 100 nowadays with ics on them. So $ 350 approx seems to be a good price for competition.
Edit: didn't read the op link. Seems tegra 3 quad core with 10 inch display and other features may spoil its pricing.
Sent from my HTC Flyer P510e using xda app-developers app
I was excited till I read it was 10 inch I really think 7 is the idea size. At 10 inches you might as well grab a laptop because portability has gone to hell at that point.
I tend to think HTC will do a better job with this tablet though. I think it'll be priced modestly between $300 to $350, and marketed very well too. All and all for what its worth, they made an excellent tabs with the Flyer, View, and Jetstream, but poor marketing and high tags killed all 3, and I got no hard feelings. The Flyer is a failed product, *****ing about no more updates is like buying a Sega Dreamcast and *****ing about no new games coming out for it.
Here's my vision for the perfect HTC tab, same shape and design as the flyer, but with a one x type paint job, and poly carbonate shell instead of aluminum for a better grip, less weight, and reduced cost. Hardware keys just like the Flyer, but updated with the new layout, which would work wonders with the new tablet ui on Jellybean. A Sense 4 launcher that can rotate to landscape, and of course tegra 3 internals, and maybe the same front and rear cameras that are on the flyer, but they could do away with the 2 "grips" on the sides of the flyer, and just have a solid back, and a straight port for the SD slot.
I'd definitely be ineterested in a 7" Tegra 3 Flyer running Jellybean. If it came with an sdCard slot and I could reuse my ntrig pen, I'd even spend $50.00 to $100.00 more than an equivalent Nexus 7.
I've had my Flyer for nearly a year and it's been great that whole time. I'll keep using it for some time to come, too. But at some point I'm going to want something faster.
I agree, stupid move for HTC, if it will be 10".
In 10" segment they will compete with Transformer and Transformer Prime with the same or better specs. If they add pen input, they will compete with Lenovo Tablet (dual core), which already fallen in price and will go down even more. And all compete with iPad and upcoming Microsoft Surface.
7" is a lot more forgiving market for HTC. Sure, Nexus is here, but add pen input, mini hdmi, SD slot and people will pay $350 for it (even if pen is separate) and it will be in a different niche.
I think all Android tablets should probably be focused on 7 inch size and $300 price tag because the ipad is an unstoppable force and starts at $400. Apple supposedly is making ipad minis but I'll believe it when I see it. Steve Jobs openly ripped on the 7 inch size calling it a "tweener" size that's too small to be useful for a tablet and too large for a phone. So in other words 7 inch tabs offer something apple doesn't provide. Asus has had moderate success at competing against the ipad in the 10 inch category but I'm certain it's very little and hell a judge in Europe just threw out an injuction from apple against Samsung over the galaxy Tab 10.1 stating no one would confuse the product's because they tab simply isn't as cool as an ipad. At this point in time the 10 inch tablet market is lost to apple.
However starting with supercharged pseudo e reader tablets such as the Nook Color and Kindle Fire, the 7 inch wallet friendly android tablet has taken off like a rocket. Pre sales for the Nexus 7 are going fast and the hype machine is unstoppable. HTC should totally get in on this and ignore the 10 inch tablet market.
Sent from my HTC Flyer P510e using XDA Premium HD app
Droff said:
I agree, stupid move for HTC, if it will be 10".
In 10" segment they will compete with Transformer and Transformer Prime with the same or better specs. If they add pen input, they will compete with Lenovo Tablet (dual core), which already fallen in price and will go down even more. And all compete with iPad and upcoming Microsoft Surface.
7" is a lot more forgiving market for HTC. Sure, Nexus is here, but add pen input, mini hdmi, SD slot and people will pay $350 for it (even if pen is separate) and it will be in a different niche.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You know how to market
I'm with you guys. Give me an HTC 7 inch jelly bean tablet with pen and sd and ill pay a 100 more than a nexus for it
Sent from my VTC HIVID using the xda app
Too little too late for HTC. They don;t have a niche to go for with Samsung going after the stylus tabs and Google leading the fold in 7 inch pricing and the Ipad mini coming in Oct. HTC is look like RIM these days. And HTC is never going to approach the $250 range for a tablet because there is no profit in it at that price and no Google subsidy to offset the cost like the Asus Nexus 7.
Actually, manufacturing tablets is not as profitable as manufacturing phones for any company. 4.1-4.5 inches Phones like HTC one x, galaxy s2 and s3 etc. are selling for about 600$. While 7 inches HTC flyer with phone functionality and 7 inches Samsung galaxy tab 2 etc are selling for $350-400. Even 10 inches apple ipad sells for much less than much smaller iPhone. ( I know some money goes in certification, but still a lot of profit in phones)
Phones are there cash cows and tablets are just to be present there in that segment.
Sent from my HTC Flyer P510e using xda app-developers app
thewadegeek said:
Huh the page I read said it was running ICS...how is that "outdated"?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't know if you have heard of an OS called Jelly Bean? It is Android's latest OS. It's it's updated from last year's ICS OS. Maybe I'm confused, but logic dictates that an OS released after a previous OS would make the previous OS outdated.
The same way HTC shipped the Flyer with GB when tablets were already running Honeycomb.
Sent from my HTC Flyer P510e using xda premium