Hello everyone
I have a Sony xperia S updated to the latest build of ICS with a 1 year warranty ( still there's about 7-8 months in it )
im eager to install custom roms on it , but problem is that i loose warranty if i unlock my bootloader
and im a moderate/heavy user on the phone .
So my question is , should i go for it and unlock the bootloader ? because im still stuck with ICS while cyangenmod has Jelly bean for my phone ..
or should i keep the warranty and wait because something might happen to it ? ( still no word from sony on the update to its 7 months old phone ... )
Appreciate any opinion/help
Hi Jay dude i think its best u wait till your warranty wears off... custom roms are really cool and are sure with the risk! Unlocking the bootloader is reversible thus fooling your network provider repair center that your phone has never been rooted even though you have! All shall go well if u read and follow instructions.
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precardo said:
Hi Jay dude i think its best u wait till your warranty wears off... custom roms are really cool and are sure with the risk! Unlocking the bootloader is reversible thus fooling your network provider repair center that your phone has never been rooted even though you have! All shall go well if u read and follow instructions.
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Thanks for the opinion
But too late I just went for it and unlocked the bootloader and now running Cyanogenmod 9.1 and im very happy with it , its fast and stable , makes you feel happy about your phone .. transforms it into a great piece of technology not like our stock rom
Would recommend it , if you really care about phone software .. as for me I couldn't wait to change it .. seems like sony forgot about us ..
Thanks buddy but i was way there before you... im glad you went through with it, im also on cm9.1 its really a better rom compared to sony's stupid rom cm9.1is a real battery saver and a smooth runner.
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Thanks buddy but i was way there before you... im glad you went through with it, im also on cm9.1 its really a better rom compared to sony's stupid rom cm9.1is a real battery saver and a smooth runner.
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Thanks buddy but i was way there before you... im glad you went through with it, im also on cm9.1 its really a better rom compared to sony's stupid rom cm9.1is a real battery saver and a smooth runner.
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Thanks buddy but i was way there before you... im glad you went through with it, im also on cm9.1 its really a better rom compared to sony's stupid rom cm9.1is a real battery saver and a smooth runner.
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that's true man , better battery life
do you recommend other roms ? have you tried others that are better ?
Yeah sure I've tried a hand full of other unique roms. U ask if there are any better, honesty judging from my experience cyanogenmod roms have and still are the smoothest out there due to the light weight. Other rom that I've tried are (KA Xperia SSpeed roms), ([email protected] v5.1 and v6 roms) both this roms are being constantly updated for better experience and are both very cool because they come with awesome pre-installed apps that u dont get with cyanogenmod roms. Please bear in mind that this roms are a bit huge to download like close to 400MB of data while CyanogenMod are usually about 150MB of datta. So yeah man u should try this other rooms they will also make your phone really cool to operate.
Sent with Sony my LT26i using CM.9.1 sometimes AOKP JB!
Jay-kesrwani said:
that's true man , better battery life
do you recommend other roms ? have you tried others that are better ?
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When you say better battery life, how much hours you get on average on full charge?
Also can you post the link to CM 9.1 download?
kathir. said:
When you say better battery life, how much hours you get on average on full charge?
Also can you post the link to CM 9.1 download?
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while keeping usage low I managed to get 1 day 15 hours of battery .
it depends on how much you use it I mean you can drain from 100% to 0% while constantly playing games for 5 hours lets say.
many times on normal usage with wifi on I manage to get 1 day of charge ..
it depends on your usage but its SLIGHTLY better than stock .
link : http://rapidgator.net/folder/1231451/FXP145_CM91.html
this is the latest one . for the Xperia S you choose to download the NOZOMI one .
shame on you!! forgettiing AOKP!!! SHAAAME ON YOU!!
i actually installed aokp and i cant change it.. im addicted to it.. it is the most amazing non-stock (forgot the name ) rom any1 can have.. i miss my xperia rom look and the t apps and stuff but i cant change this its too damn amazing!!!
Erm, A JB ROM?
Pardon me for being a noob here but isn't CM9 an ICS ROM? I'm looking for a CM10 rom for my xperia S. A few webpages state and offer downloads of the same but it isn't available on gt.cm. So does it exist or not?
I'm open to other options for a decent JB rom other than CM, but I would prefer a stable one.
yes cm 9.1 is ICS but at the time i opened this thread cm 10 wasn't stable yet , but now it is very stable and FXP team is working on 10.1 ( 4.2 ) .
i use cyanogenmod 10 for sony xperia s from the free xperia project . it is the best . i tried aokp , for me it has some extras i don't need and i felt its a bit cheap ..
btw cm is aosp not aokp ..
feel free to try both :
aokp : http://code.google.com/p/kangxperia/
cm 10 : https://sites.google.com/site/projectfreexperia/download/cyanogen-mod-10 ( the one i recommend )
if you need help in flashing just ask .
edit : forgot to mention , cm 10 is android 4.1.2 as well as the latest aokp
how to unlock bootloader please tell i m trying to unlock it since 4 days plz help plz
here you go man : http://www.androidauthority.com/xperia-s-unlock-bootloader-82532/
this voids warranty btw ..but i don't regret it at all .
if you need anymore help ask me . be very cautious any step you miss or if you apply stuff the wrong way you might damage the phone .
dude my xperia s after blue led go into charging mod what to do yaar pllllzzzz say
This means you didn't install fastboot drivers correctly . for sure that is the problem 100% .
did you install them in the first place ? are you using windows 8 ? please tell me details .
i unlocked my bootloader now how can install custom rom plz say its irritating me wat to do plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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plzzzz reply if u r online plzzz
if u have skype lets IM there . its easier and better .
no i hav teamviwer if can connect then plzzz come to my pc and do it dude plz
i'll use team viewer when there's a prob .. but for now just any Instant messaging client will do
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i'll use team viewer when there's a prob .. but for now just any Instant messaging client will do
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what to do now plzz telll me 1 thing plzzz dont confuse me for now i m already being irritated for that bootloader then that rom:crying:
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i have a problem.....i don't know if this problem is caused by Rom but.......sometimes, and more and more often, I don't get the message or
arrive after a few hours!!!
any solution?
thxx
Yes this is Also my Problem you have to restart the phone to receive it is there any FIX to this? I Think its not in the Network
jrchan01 said:
Yes this is Also my Problem you have to restart the phone to receive it is there any FIX to this? I Think its not in the Network
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yess i must reboot the phone too many times a day........
reflash baseband .71?? u should try that
As said before
Random Reboot problem is it?
As FeraVolt senior said before in thread sourced
"FeraKernel is integrated in this rom and overclocked till 1113Mhz so if your phone cant handle this frequencies (reboots or wlods happening) then flash another stock kernel. (Don't forget wifi modules)"
Which means not all X10 can use NG ROM pretty smooth. Your X10 probably can't handle strength of the Kernel, or not suitable to be overclocked too much..So try use Stock Kernel (non-overclocked 998MHz).
*If You still locked bootloaded, just full wipe, clear cache partition, should get back the stock kernel. As long it's locked bootloaded, the kernel still there.
*If Unlocked Bootloaded, get kernel here (pre-rooted) and flash it via Flashtool after placed it under subfolder "firmwares".
For wifi moduleHere and flash it via xrecoveryGood Luck
whitefang
I Reflashed the Baseband .71 and I think it solved the problem
if you seems a lot of problem on Fera NG, change other ROM.
may solve your problem
jrchan01 said:
I Reflashed the Baseband .71 and I think it solved the problem
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goodddddddddd thanks have you flash baseband with flashtool???
reflashing the baseband didnt help me .. ;(
thran8 said:
reflashing the baseband didnt help me .. ;(
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try reflashing the rom....but...first you must use PcCompanion and go back 2.3.3 and then flash the feraRom with all wipe(As explained in the installation guide.....follow the guide)
Raschild6 said:
try reflashing the rom....but...first you must use PcCompanion and go back 2.3.3 and then flash the feraRom with all wipe(As explained in the installation guide.....follow the guide)
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thats what i ended up doing and it worked, just so werid that it happened all of the sudden out of the blue
the problem is with the ROM
the fera ROM sucks according to me no hard feelings for the DEVELOPER only respect dude.....
i have tried all its rom and each one of them gave me wlod's.... hated it even on the homescreen....
i would advice you to switch to fxp125.....i installed it on my sister's phone and she hasnt compalined even once......
the best ROM out there without any bugs FXP125..... LOVE to the FXP team
hit thanks if i helped
rohit25 said:
the fera ROM sucks according to me no hard feelings for the DEVELOPER only respect dude.....
i have tried all its rom and each one of them gave me wlod's.... hated it even on the homescreen....
i would advice you to switch to fxp125.....i installed it on my sister's phone and she hasnt compalined even once......
the best ROM out there without any bugs FXP125..... LOVE to the FXP team
hit thanks if i helped
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WAIT WAIT WAIT........the FeraRom is a great Rom....smooth and without bugs!!!
In fxp the camera not working!
FeraRom New Generation is one of the best rom even without ICS!!!
Raschild6 said:
WAIT WAIT WAIT........the FeraRom is a great Rom....smooth and without bugs!!!
In fxp the camera not working!
FeraRom New Generation is one of the best rom even without ICS!!!
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Fera also was the first to create a ROM Ics for x10 and all its roms have had continuous updates and improvements to reach almost to perfection
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Fera also was the first to create a ROM Ics for x10 and all its roms have had continuous updates and improvements to reach almost to perfection
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dude i sed no HARd FEELINgs.... camera works perfectly in fxp125.... video records at 720p... only the recorded video lags on it... but doesnt if you transfer and play it on ur pc
plus fxp gives me options to overclock or underclock and much more fera rom restricts by not giving much option....
and seriously i tried each one of the rom... the v20 doesnt has ny bugs or wlods but doesnt gives much option to customize....
jaf and ng rom give me wlods most of the time.... got NO BUGS though....
SORRY if i disrespected the DEV in any way none was Intended
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dude i sed no HARd FEELINgs.... camera works perfectly in fxp125.... video records at 720p... only the recorded video lags on it... but doesnt if you transfer and play it on ur pc
plus fxp gives me options to overclock or underclock and much more fera rom restricts by not giving much option....
and seriously i tried each one of the rom... the v20 doesnt has ny bugs or wlods but doesnt gives much option to customize....
jaf and ng rom give me wlods most of the time.... got NO BUGS though....
SORRY if i disrespected the DEV in any way none was Intended
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Are you comparing cm7.2 with a stock rom?
According to me you really cant compare cm7.2 with stock GB rom
As for speed cm7.2 is the one going to win but all addons of SE wont work with it.
At the end its personal choice what they like but comparing cm with stock rom I think is unfair.
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Are you comparing cm7.2 with a stock rom?
According to me you really cant compare cm7.2 with stock GB rom
As for speed cm7.2 is the one going to win but all addons of SE wont work with it.
At the end its personal choice what they like but comparing cm with stock rom I think is unfair.
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not comparing stock 2.3.3 rom with cm7.2
just comparing FERA with FXP.....:fingers-crossed:
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not comparing stock 2.3.3 rom with cm7.2
just comparing FERA with FXP.....:fingers-crossed:
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You still really can't
cm7.2 will be faster than any stock based custom roms. You cant change it
atleast for SE roms.
I loved the speed of the Fera rom, the problem is i kept on getting something that would crash then I would stop receiving text msgs
Tried to reflash 3 times and still kept having the same issue, went back to v20 of fera and there was a noticeable lag compared to NG
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rohit25 said:
the fera ROM sucks according to me no hard feelings for the DEVELOPER only respect dude.....
i have tried all its rom and each one of them gave me wlod's.... hated it even on the homescreen....
i would advice you to switch to fxp125.....i installed it on my sister's phone and she hasnt compalined even once......
the best ROM out there without any bugs FXP125..... LOVE to the FXP team
hit thanks if i helped
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going to give it a shot
I was either going to go with FXP125 or DonutHD Jellybean
I also had this probably twice, I thought it was a signal problem. I noticed that after a restart I get all the sms
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rohit25 said:
dude i sed no HARd FEELINgs.... camera works perfectly in fxp125.... video records at 720p... only the recorded video lags on it... but doesnt if you transfer and play it on ur pc
plus fxp gives me options to overclock or underclock and much more fera rom restricts by not giving much option....
and seriously i tried each one of the rom... the v20 doesnt has ny bugs or wlods but doesnt gives much option to customize....
jaf and ng rom give me wlods most of the time.... got NO BUGS though....
SORRY if i disrespected the DEV in any way none was Intended
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Why in hell would fxp rom be more complete than this rom? it does never get finished, camera sucks a lot, loads of issues that has not been fixed yet. I wouldn't switch to fxp rom just for this issue.just my opinion and experience.
can anyone recommend a good solid cooked rom for my xperia x10, ive hacked the bootloader and rooted device already, i used cyanogen 7 mod but sometimes i cant answer my phone
Wrong thread man
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alienkidmj12 said:
can anyone recommend a good solid cooked rom for my xperia x10, ive hacked the bootloader and rooted device already, i used cyanogen 7 mod but sometimes i cant answer my phone
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Try Feralab NG r JAF.It might help u
Try Fera NG.
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whatever u do dont ever try fera ROM if you r new to flashing ROM....
the best bet would be installing Dixperia8... works like a charm....
or reflash fxp125 cm7.2.... doesnt has ny hiccups with me.... have flashed it on my sister's phone and she aint complain'g a BIT
i'm on Lions Pride ROM till now..
yeah..i know maybe it was old, but it's perfect (for me)..
cm7- if you can live without HD video playback
Fera V20,Donut HD --- complete stock roms with everything working
X10S- good Xperia S port
achotjans V2= complete Xperia S rom build( might have bug)
try feralab v20 final (the unlocked bootlaoder version). there is a locked bootloader version too (but since u unlock, maximise ur potential
i flashed it recently. the installing user interface is kinda cool.
I am really impressed with MIUI 2.3.2 cobrato. Really stable and standard kernel is OC to 1.114GHz. I am loving the shake to skip option especially when playing music.
I bought the extended battery - 3600mAh from ebay and I am getting a solid 3 1/2 days with medium use. Downside is that you can forget about the zoom function with MIUI ROMS.
Everything works for me even the wifi tethering.
Try it.
Hello everyone.I need your help.Last time i bought smartphone in title.This phone is unfortunately unknown in my nation (I'm from Poland) so I can't find custom roms for it .Can you help me ? It's better to me when roms exist polish language.One more thing,is there Cyanogen Mod fully worked for this phone ? I mean fully worked wifi,gsm,bluetooth etc. Thank you for reply,and sorry for my bad english .
Hello, CM7 is fully compatible with Optimus Hub and it includes the language 'Polski'. I will try and do my best about finding other roms. Btw I'm currently running 20121014 nightly build of the CM.
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Hello, CM7 is fully compatible with Optimus Hub and it includes the language 'Polski'. I will try and do my best about finding other roms. Btw I'm currently running 20121014 nightly build of the CM.
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Ok thanks for your help.When I will have a little bit of time maybe I'll try it on my device.And last questions,are you noticed any bugs on this cm rom comparison to stock rom ? My stock rom is working good for me.That CM is a lot better than stock ? I'll get better performance in games or something like that ? Sorry for my curiosity but is my first android device and I want extend my knowledge
This is the place for sharing information, feel free to ask any question on your mind with no hesitation. With a stock ROM, there are so little customization options. With a custom ROM, you're able to boost your performance as it reveals android's 'inner power' You're even able to overclock your device (although you'd not need a custom ROM for this) which means more overall performance.
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Could you send me link to that CM7 what you're talking about,of course when thats not breaking rules of forum.There is any chance to brick my device ? Could you tell me what is procedure to flash with that ROM ? I read something about that but I'm not sure so I ask you.
Based on your knowledge, I'd recommend you look for threads about what rooting is, then how to flash a custom ROM. I'm sure the forum is full of those.
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Thanks !! I'm succesfully flashed CyanogenMod 7.2 RC3 Moded.It's working very good I'm not find any bug for this time
No problem at all. Consider reporting any bugs in order for us to get better releases and enjoy your new custom ROM!
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No problem at all. Consider reporting any bugs in order for us to get better releases and enjoy your new custom ROM!
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Hello . Sorry for my noob question .
Is there any rom with good battery stats, leds working and no bugs? I'm looking for this since i join this site. I test all but something make me unhappy.
You can try out stock jellybean bu the developer who made it for your device, its a very decent rom and it has just 1 bug which is that the frontcamera doesnt work at all.
If you want a MIUI rom try out my rom xMIUI, its stable enough for daily usage.
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Nothing is stable .. Jb/ GB-rock ... I am using my phone always and some basic things don't work.
I read in MIU threat : " There's a lot of bugs/lags . So i didn't use it.
Btw thanks for the help . If you know anything good rom just pm me
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Nothing is stable .. Jb/ GB-rock ... I am using my phone always and some basic things don't work.
I read in MIU threat : " There's a lot of bugs/lags . So i didn't use it.
Btw thanks for the help . If you know anything good rom just pm me
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First thing, what device do you have? Xperia U, P, Go or Sola?
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U mate
GB rocks will be most stable
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Hi all, As I said, here comes the first version of android 4.3 for the x10. This is based on the evervolv ROM.
The binaries can be found in evervolv 4.3 folder.
https://www.wuala.com/CMX10-Releases/?key=CMX10Team
BUGS
NO CWM delivered with kernel
NO CHARGEMON
The WLOD that because famous with android 4.3
Maybe a lot more.
Install
Copy ROM on your SD card.
Wipe Data and Cache
Get into CWM and install ROM.
Flash the kernel.ftf using flashtool
This is an early version, I might not have time to work on it a lot. If someone wants the sources before their released, PM me.
Scritch
PS: Forgot the little disclaimer.
No warranty about this. I can't be blamed if somethings goes wrong or if phone is damaged. Use at your own risk.
Hi
Nice to see You again on X10 forum. I always liked you ROM. I hope this will be good too. Now downloading and check how it works
Great... what kernel version is used?
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Great... what kernel version is used?
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Unfortunately still the old 2.6.29.
Good job! But unfortunately we won't be able to achieve the smoothness we want if we can't get out of kernel 2.6.29.
Great job and nice to see you back
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Great job and nice to see you back
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Hey).. Have you got my email regarding kernel?
I wish i had x10 and newer pc.. on my one core 1.6Ghz netbook i cant do much...
thank you all
FeraVolt said:
Hey).. Have you got my email regarding kernel?
I wish i had x10 and newer pc.. on my one core 1.6Ghz netbook i cant do much...
thank you all
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Hey
Yes I got it... "just" have problems with display drivers... As scritch released his 4.4.3, I will work harder to make the kernel working... hopfully 4.4.3 bugs would be solved with it...
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OMG!!! FeraVolt, Scritch007 & Tof37 are back together again! This is gonna be awesome!!!
you are the watchman of X10 my friend welcome back :highfive:
Thanks a scritch007 You're the Best
I am still using gingerbread developed by Feralab, I really want to use ice cream or jelly bean but there is no compete rom but the version is keep on releasing I don't understand it , then why there is no 3.x kernel developed is it impossible for our phone? Thanks for the people work hard to make us happy
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sudersanmurthy said:
I am still using gingerbread developed by Feralab, I really want to use ice cream or jelly bean but there is no compete rom but the version is keep on releasing I don't understand it , then why there is no 3.x kernel developed is it impossible for our phone? Thanks for the people work hard to make us happy
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There's some pretty cool version of JB. The CM10 now has every thing except hardware video encoding/decoding. Everything else is working nicely.
CM10.1 and Everolv 4.2 and 4.3 have an issue with the kernel. But I can't manage to fix it. So we've been working on newer kernel, 2.6.32 but it has a camera issue. And we're trying to port a newer kernel, but it's not that easy.
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There's some pretty cool version of JB. The CM10 now has every thing except hardware video encoding/decoding. Everything else is working nicely.
CM10.1 and Everolv 4.2 and 4.3 have an issue with the kernel. But I can't manage to fix it. So we've been working on newer kernel, 2.6.32 but it has a camera issue. And we're trying to port a newer kernel, but it's not that easy.
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I understand its very hard and you guys giving up your free time for this , i dont posses the knowledge so just wanted to know why version keeps moving on when latter is not finished yet thank you so much for you reply and ill try to be patient and support you guys :good:
I agree.. I was on the ICS version from FXP but when i recently switched back to Feravolt's GB, it was a lot more smoother and fast.. !!
people let us be fear .....to the fact that our phone is so old......and those ...guys has make the imposable daily usable tangible fact the>>>>>>>>> latest (4.3)
man this rock in it self let us give the credit for that >>>>>>>>>>>.thanks you all brother developer :highfive::highfive::highfive::highfive:
Superb
Wow... Superb...
Thanks guys, thanks for all your hard work in bringing 4.2 and (now) 4.3 version to our great x10 phone. I am using this phone from 2.5 years and used stock 1.6, 2.1, 2.3 and custom ROMs of Fera, Zahid5h, Scritch, Vasishta, Walker all 2.3, 4.1 and now 4.2.2 ROMs... It's been a great experience with this phone and with great ROMs by great Developers... Thanks a lot guys from all X10 users.
I really hope and wish this 4.3 ROM to be successfull and you people can able to get Linux 3.x kernel working for us..:good::good:
THANKS
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Test day ;p
I installed this ROM yesterday. First thing - GPS work fine - dont know why you wrote on OP "NO GPS"?
ROM is fast and good - only problem is with WLOD usualy when first start some apps or doing something too fast ;p
Soplica said:
I installed this ROM yesterday. First thing - GPS work fine - dont know why you wrote on OP "NO GPS"?
ROM is fast and good - only problem is with WLOD usualy when first start some apps or doing something too fast ;p
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Thanks for feedback.
I wrote, no GPS because I didn't find the icon to disable the GPS. But if you say it work's I'll update first page then .
Yeah WLOD, like for the 4.2.2, it's a shame, otherwise I like the Rom.
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Thanks for feedback.
I wrote, no GPS because I didn't find the icon to disable the GPS. But if you say it work's I'll update first page then .
Yeah WLOD, like for the 4.2.2, it's a shame, otherwise I like the Rom.
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Yeah, only place when You change something with GPS options is "Location access" in "Personal"
Some other options i cant find - for example i cant change icns on status bar - wifi, sync or something else - i dont know chow too change it ;p
But ROM can be nice in the future i like it too in alpha stage its better then other in beta ;p
One more thing - is it possible to restore USB charge or something like this to kernel? Becouse i read You remowe this options from source code and from 4.X kernel we cant use other then Sony charger - i have Philips charger for 2 phones but cant use it.