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Hello Guys, Im new to this forum with N number of Qns , because Im just a beginner of the smart phone users. I have got a new SE Xperia x10 and was very excited to capture the pictures using 8.1M camera.. But unfortunately the quality of the pictures that I have taken so far made me disappoint, still the HD video recording looks good. My question here is when the Video quality is good, how can the image quality be poor that we use the same camera for both the purpose. Also, is there any fix available to improve the camera quality, because i strongly believe that its not a hardware issue.
Thanks in advance
Most people have found that using a camera app called "Vignette" improves photos taken greatly.
Here is a link to it in the Android Market: https://market.android.com/details?id=uk.co.neilandtheresa.NewVignette&feature=search_result
pyromatic18 said:
Most people have found that using a camera app called "Vignette" improves photos taken greatly.
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hmm..Let me also have a try.. but can anyone shed some light on my question, rather than finding out an alternate solution, Im very curious to know about the cause of the poor Image quality with a "8.1" camera
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hmm..Let me also have a try.. but can anyone shed some light on my question, rather than finding out an alternate solution, Im very curious to know about the cause of the poor Image quality with a "8.1" camera
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Didnt i answer this last night for you?
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Yes.. However I'm still not clear about what could be the possible reasons for a 8.1MP camera to perform so badly while dealing with the still images, but works good while dealing with the Video recording..Hardware or Software or Settings or etc..????. I beg your pardon if I have been so much curious.
One thread is enough.
Also, practise with the camera.
It's one of the best 8MP phones so the problem shouldn't be the phone
manussnair said:
Yes.. However I'm still not clear about what could be the possible reasons for a 8.1MP camera to perform so badly while dealing with the still images, but works good while dealing with the Video recording..Hardware or Software or Settings or etc..????. I beg your pardon if I have been so much curious.
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I really think you need to learn more about photography. Mp dont mean anything when it comes to camera quality. I take outstanding pictures with this phone...and if you would like a link to another forum on pictures taken with this camera i can show you....it will blow your mind. I already explained how to get the best out of your camera in another thread. Did you turn off image stabiliser?
Do you expect dslr quality from a smartphone? Cuz it wont happen.
I would strongly suggest practicing with your camera like flo said.
Im not trying to be rude, im really not. But this is one of the best camera phones out there believe it or not.
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Yes.. below are my settings
Capturing mode : Normal
Resolution : 8MP
Scenes : Normal
Focus Mode : Infinity
-2---------0----------+2 is set in 0 ( I dont know what is that +/- symbol means)
Photolight : off
Self-timer : off
Metering :Spot
White Balance : Auto
Image Stabiliser : off
Smile Level : Normal Smile
Geo Tagging : off
Shutter Sound : sound1
If you share the settings of yours , I may also be able to take awesome pictures as you have been taking ;-)
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Yes.. below are my settings
Capturing mode : Normal
Resolution : 8MP
Scenes : Normal
Focus Mode : Infinity
-2---------0----------+2 is set in 0 ( I dont know what is that +/- symbol means)
Photolight : off
Self-timer : off
Metering :Spot
White Balance : Auto
Image Stabiliser : off
Smile Level : Normal Smile
Geo Tagging : off
Shutter Sound : sound1
If you share the settings of yours , I may also be able to take awesome pictures as you have been taking ;-)
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Ok, here are my settings:
Capturing Mode: Normal
Resolution: 6mp Wide (16:9) I use that more that 8mp because I like the widescreen pictures...and remember lower mp doesn't mean less quality!
Scenes: Normal
Focus Mode: Infinity...or macro for close up shots
photo light: always off
self timer: off
metering: Center weighted or average...spot metering is used for when your taking a picture and the light from the background is darkening your subject. Its not what you wanna use all the time...only for those situations when needed. average metering also known as matrix would be the most accurate.
White Balance: depends...if its cloudy outside ill use cloudy, if its bright and sunny ill use daylight or just auto. Most of the time I stick with auto. But playing with it properly gets nice results
image stabilser: always always off!
smile level: Normal
the +/- is the EV control I was talking about. yes it goes from -2 to +2.
And here is how I always always use it.
if its bright and sunny outside, or you just have alot of light, I will usually lower it to -1 or -0.7
Inside pictures, or low light situations I lower it to about -0.3 maybe -0.7. What that does if darkens the photo but eliminates low light noise.
Try that for a while and see what kind of pics you get. Also, keep a steady hand. When I take pictures with my phone I wrap both hands around the phone and hold it firmly to reduce any hand shake that might happen. I just find that works best for me.
@manussnair: Check your PM.
Thanks
Mr Patchy Patch said:
Ok, here are my settings:
Capturing Mode: Normal
Resolution: 6mp Wide (16:9) I use that more that 8mp because I like the widescreen pictures...and remember lower mp doesn't mean less quality!
Scenes: Normal
Focus Mode: Infinity...or macro for close up shots
photo light: always off
self timer: off
metering: Center weighted or average...spot metering is used for when your taking a picture and the light from the background is darkening your subject. Its not what you wanna use all the time...only for those situations when needed. average metering also known as matrix would be the most accurate.
White Balance: depends...if its cloudy outside ill use cloudy, if its bright and sunny ill use daylight or just auto. Most of the time I stick with auto. But playing with it properly gets nice results
image stabilser: always always off!
smile level: Normal
the +/- is the EV control I was talking about. yes it goes from -2 to +2.
And here is how I always always use it.
if its bright and sunny outside, or you just have alot of light, I will usually lower it to -1 or -0.7
Inside pictures, or low light situations I lower it to about -0.3 maybe -0.7. What that does if darkens the photo but eliminates low light noise.
Try that for a while and see what kind of pics you get. Also, keep a steady hand. When I take pictures with my phone I wrap both hands around the phone and hold it firmly to reduce any hand shake that might happen. I just find that works best for me.
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This is awesome dude !! This is the kind of information that I was looking for as I have never been an expert in handing the machines;whatever they are...
Now let me start playing around with it
manussnair said:
This is awesome dude !! This is the kind of information that I was looking for as I have never been an expert in handing the machines;whatever they are...
Now let me start playing around with it
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Dont forget to check your PM
And to inspire you, go here
And Mr Patchy is right, its not about Megapixels. Heck you can even take great photos with a 2 mp cell camera.
clixt said:
And to inspire you, go here
And Mr Patchy is right, its not about Megapixels. Heck you can even take great photos with a 2 mp cell camera.
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Man, i remember my old sony ericsson k790a. I think it was a 3.2mp camera phone, but holly **** the quality was awesome!! I believe it had xenon flash to if i remember correctly.
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Man, i remember my old sony ericsson k790a. I think it was a 3.2mp camera phone, but holly **** the quality was awesome!! I believe it had xenon flash to if i remember correctly.
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Yep I know.
the software is what determines the quality you are looking for. The camera will construct the picture/video information like pixel info, frames, etc. but the software is responsible for cleaning it up.
i find the X10's camera amazing, it takes crystal clear pictures IMO and i can even use them as wallpapers on my PC and they are still clear.
the X10 will always be the best
no idea :-I mine is in a gud quality.. hehe
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Hello, my camera produce photos horrible quality. Is there a fix?
Thank you
I always have to tap the screen to focus on what I want in focus for my pics to be clear have you tried that?
Of course.
carreaum said:
Hello, my camera produce photos horrible quality. Is there a fix?
Thank you
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Well, it's a Motorola -of course the camera is crap
But to be honest, the photos your Razr is taking are much worse than normal.
I assume that you have cleaned the lens and set the exposure time to automatic and that you hold the camera still while taking a photo. Furthermore you wait until the rectangle that shows the focus becomes green.
So it could be a hardware problem -maybe the lens does not fit correctly or it's another failure during assembling. In this case you should get a replacement.
It could also be a software problem, I'd try to download a free camera software from the market, place your phone on a rigid surface and shoot a photo. Does it look as blurry as the previous ones I guess you should get a replacement.
I attached two photos I made right now...colour reproduction isn't good with Moto cameras but sharpness should not be a problem.
I tried other camera apps (camera zoom fx, camera ultimate 360) and result is the same.
I read elsewhere that someone else DL'd the Camera Zoom FX app and it made a world of difference.
Ok, So the stock camera app isn't that great. Can anyone recommend a good camera app specifically for capturing text(or maybe settings)? not worried about OCR, just want the text to come out clear.
Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
I love the stock app but it's not for everyone. Best app in the market is Camera Zoom fx. Used it on my Captivate after going to CyanogenMod as the vanilla android camera sucks imo. It is a paid app and I'm not sure how much it costs as I got mine from the 10 cent sale in December
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Ok, thanks, il give it a look tomorrow. Any more suggestions are welcome.
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it works great on the flyer too. Used it on Gumbys desensified rom too as I didn't care for the aosp camera. One thing though if you want wide screen with zoom fx, 3.2mp is as high as you can go, where the htc app will go all the way to 5
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Thanks alot, Camera Zoom FX works pretty good for text, appreciate the help, thank you
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Thanks alot, Camera Zoom FX works pretty good for text, appreciate the help, thank you
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I think the HTC camera app is quite good , but it depends on exactly what you are trying to do, which is not really clear. The HTC apps gives you control of all the settings which you may lose on some apps. Can you describe what the problem is exactly. There are some specialty apps for documents that has post processing that might help
The stock camera is better than alot of camera apps, however when i take a picture of text, some area's tend to be blurry and zooming in makes them worse. The depth of field is bad, but i assume that is mainly a hardware thing? Camera Zoom FX works slightly better, text is more readable and you can zoom in a little without blurring it.
Havoc-X said:
The stock camera is better than alot of camera apps, however when i take a picture of text, some area's tend to be blurry and zooming in makes them worse. The depth of field is bad, but i assume that is mainly a hardware thing? Camera Zoom FX works slightly better, text is more readable and you can zoom in a little without blurring it.
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Depth of filed is related to the lens and aperture and has nothing to do with software other than you can adjust some parameters to make it more or less.
Zoom will always make resolution worse because there is no optical zoom and when you"zoom" you are doing it digitally and getting less resolution. 3.2mp can never be as good as 5mp so I assume you are simply holding the camera more steady and the app has little to do with it.
Try this. on the stock app, change the effect to depth of field, set the ISO to 100 if you have enough light or 200 if you need more brightness. Do not zoom.
You will have to hold very steady and straight. Watch the focus, it won't focus is you are too close to the subject.
DigitalMD said:
Depth of filed is related to the lens and aperture and has nothing to do with software other than you can adjust some parameters to make it more or less.
Zoom will always make resolution worse because there is no optical zoom and when you"zoom" you are doing it digitally and getting less resolution. 3.2mp can never be as good as 5mp so I assume you are simply holding the camera more steady and the app has little to do with it.
Try this. on the stock app, change the effect to depth of field, set the ISO to 100 if you have enough light or 200 if you need more brightness. Do not zoom.
You will have to hold very steady and straight. Watch the focus, it won't focus is you are too close to the subject.
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Ok, that settings do work slightly better, still not the greatest, im just going to write this off to the hardware component.
A few years ago my friend had this phone http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_j105_naite-2818.php
The camera was amazing, only 2MP but took really good pics.
Well I"m still not sure what you are trying to do, but I get consistently fine results with the flyer using the app Scan2PDF for documents. The Flyer does not have a flash, so you have to make sure you have good light without shadows. Otherwise the camera in the flyer is as good or better than most tablets and phones. Like any camera , even $3000 DSLRS, when you do closeups, the depth of field is very short.
Ok, say for instance when im studying, my textbooks are like 1k pages and it takes up space when its open and its an effort to navigate; i take a pic of a page or 2 and it makes it easier to work with. Thing is, it doesn't come out very great. If i take a pic of the whole page, some parts are less readable, almost like it doesn't focus the whole thing. If i take a pic of a paragraph, then it comes out fine. It doesn't seems as clear as it should be for a 5MP camera. Again, i think its just the hardware.
Yeah most of the reviews of the flyer were great but it got knocked on the camera.
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I think that CamScanner is one of the best apps for your purpose. It's free, and it automatically does a lot of image post processing to give you the clear text you are looking for, alongside cropping out the background, etc.
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the more light you provide the greater the depth of field will be, but you still need to have the subject flat and evenly lighted. Same for any camera, if you cant provide a reasonable subject, the camera cannot defy the laws of physics.
Quite strange that they declared the Xperia S to be the worst performer in the group and said:
But, it does look like the 12.1MP Sony Xperia S is the least impressive of the four devices, even with its megapixel superiority. The poorer quality can possibly be attributed to its lower cost and hence, cheaper hardware
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http://www.androidauthority.com/xperia-s-vs-iphone-4s-vs-s3-vs-one-x-camera-fight-90384/
Watch out for even more "fanboy" reviews to popup.
I have seen this article yesterday, I dont know what's going on but. I had chance to play with IPhone 4g and HTC ONE X cameras and I have to say that my SONY XPERIA S is the winner. Whoever made this macro picture with bananas for XPS _ completely f **** it. For me this looks like an anti -Sony competition ...
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Hmm...
I always take these photo reviews with a grain of salt. It is really the reviewers who make/break these sort of reviews.
He doesn't say whether he uses Auto-Mode, or anything like that. With standard settings I feel you aren't even capable of reviewing a camera properly...they leave it all up to the auto-mode to decide what settings to use.
Oh well, I know my Xperia S takes amazing pictures in comparison to most of those devices, that's all that matters to me, regardless of the random negative reviews here and there .
True. I am surprised to see such horrible photos taken with the Xperia S. XS can do much better than what the author managed. Pretty sure he used auto mode and didn't let the phone focus properly. Or maybe messed up the settings to make it seem worse.
well
XS camera is great and compare to my previous SGS 2, XS has fast focus and fast shutter speed.. even the color is better
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/118344624379023636652/albums/5747354225338739793
Have you already tried any photos with low light.. they are pretty noisy i think the flash its not very good .. i mean my satio did better
tel033 said:
Have you already tried any photos with low light.. they are pretty noisy i think the flash its not very good .. i mean my satio did better
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That seems to be a software problem
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Hmm...
I always take these photo reviews with a grain of salt. It is really the reviewers who make/break these sort of reviews.
He doesn't say whether he uses Auto-Mode, or anything like that. With standard settings I feel you aren't even capable of reviewing a camera properly...they leave it all up to the auto-mode to decide what settings to use.
Oh well, I know my Xperia S takes amazing pictures in comparison to most of those devices, that's all that matters to me, regardless of the random negative reviews here and there .
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fully agree there is full of fanboys with no respect for the tecnology look at this video for example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A33-6M-XChs&feature=related
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Bad review I must say. I wonder if companies are paying reviewers to bash another company's product and make them less appealing. I find the iPhone 4S pics quite colour accurate but the Xperia S has much more detail and gives me perfect pictures. I seem to use my dSLR less since I got the S. I don't like HTC One X's camera. Just not as good. One reason I didn't consider it. Though I am not sure about S3. If it's close to S2's camera unit, I can crown my Xperia S as the winner
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That seems to be a software problem
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Any tip or solution?
a4rocks said:
Bad review I must say. I wonder if companies are paying reviewers to bash another company's product and make them less appealing. I find the iPhone 4S pics quite colour accurate but the Xperia S has much more detail and gives me perfect pictures. I seem to use my dSLR less since I got the S. I don't like HTC One X's camera. Just not as good. One reason I didn't consider it. Though I am not sure about S3. If it's close to S2's camera unit, I can crown my Xperia S as the winner
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Can you upload some pics in low light please I'm having problems in normal conditions camera is great although sometimes a bit of noise but in low light AF problem but the worst is noise
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tel033 said:
Any tip or solution?
Can you upload some pics in low light please I'm having problems in normal conditions camera is great although sometimes a bit of noise but in low light AF problem but the worst is noise
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The noise is caused by the small (better say tiny) light sensor on the phone. Sony makes the best sensor. I don't think any other phone uses better sensor than XS.
Photos from some phones "looks" better because they apply a stronger software noise reduction than SX does or they have a bigger apperture (e.g. HTC One X has F2.0 compare to F2.4 in XS). My solution to this is to apply noise reduction after I've loaded the photos to my PC using Lightroom.
Any way to applied it in the phone not in pc? Better is there a software to reduce the noise before shooting? You said that it's sensor was good but tiny right? So is it hardware problem ? Or software? Or both?
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Wow!
Hold on!
Just one picture and tooken with auto mode and this whole review...?
What the hell is this. This doesnt even makes sense...
This is more like:
Hey buddy im bored, let pick up some phones and take pictures and put it on internet.
So "we" can read it and discuss it so they can laugh their ass of...
In another threats .. With no "auto" mode they made few compares...
Different stages, scenes etc...
The xs came the best out.. It just beat all of them..
4s to s2(whens3 was not out)
Every high end smart phone.. But doesnt mind..
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Can you post link to the comparo where XS beat them all ?
The original review work comes from the mobile reviewer at cnet. Having read her reviews in the past she is very apple biased and seems unable to operate phones correctly.
In her original review of the xperia s (put up against iphone 4) she complained about the xs' camera taking 'letterbox' photos and that she prefered the iphones 4/3 images. If she'd of bothered to hit the menu button when using the camera she'd of found it was set to 9mp 16/9 and that a couple of clicks would of then set it to 12mp 4/3.
So dont expect her to have used anything but full auto mode.
The manual options in the xs' camera are great with things like target iso, and multi point auto focus.
If only they'd bothered to include the jpeg compression options as the default level dratically over compresses images and introduces artifacts.
Also on her low light test (and most of the tests tbh) ... the iphones colours look artificially over saturated (post process) the noise level on the iphone is also horrific yet she complains at the rest!
It's also funny to see her complaining about the iso effect, its probably because the xs and gs3 can change there iso and the rest cant! Try having some movement in the image and then see how well the iphone copes.
What is also funny is that the images have all been resized for web display, having 50% more pixels to start with gives you more options for post processing and thus noise reduction
So if we could adjust the jpeg compression the noise would be reduce right?
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The noise is caused by the small (better say tiny) light sensor on the phone.
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That's not strictly true, the noise comes from the software raising ISO in low light, all sensors from the tiny ones in a phone to a full frame 35mm one will suffer from noise as the ISO is raised. Its just that the bigger the sensor the higher the ISO needs to before it to become a problem.
If noise is a problem then just use Neat Image, nothing comes close to it http://www.neatimage.com/
The noise in this camera is not particularly bad, tbh in low light every digital camera will have noise because of the use of higher ISO. I think the 12mp sensor also make the noise more visible...I'm not sure about the technical details though...
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The basic gist of iso levels is as follows.
For a given amount of light hitting the sensor (metered) an exposure duration is determined.
Increasing the iso level decreases the exposure time for the same amount of light.
A shorter exposure time reduces the signal to noise ratio significantly, but it also reduces motion blur. Noise can be post processed, blur not so much.
My old nokia n95 would have exposure times of over 2 seconds in low light conditions, chance that everything remained totally motionless in this time is very small!
The exposure duration is usually stored in the exif file, I hope her original files kept all this sort of info!
The xs' camera has potential because we can change the target iso value (though compared to a still camera they're still low) we can also change the metering method as well. I haven't seen either of these features before in a phone camera.
The only thing we are missing is the ability manually specifiy exposure duration.
You are also correct in that the higher pixel density of a sensor the higher probabiltiy of noise.
Ability to take raw photo's or 100% quality jpegs would be nice (people have done mods to enable 100% jpeg quality, but I cant root my phone at present to test it as i use sky go)
Edit - Just checked the exif info on the 'original full size' images and its been wiped file sizes are interesting though.
GS3 - 2.1mb, IP4 - 2.6mb, 1X - 1.5mb, XS - 2.0mb
Have just noticed all the 1x pics are 6 megapixel images in 16:9 format which seems suspicious to me. But it says it all for the XS when it has a smaller file size than the GS3 and IP4 yet 50% more pixels.
Rough rule of thumb is that you need at least 1/2mb per megapixel to avoid any degradation on a full image (ie no patches of black or white)
Hi all,
Is it possible to set the camera to take photos in Wide Mode at 8mp? I only see the option for wide mode at 6mp.
If it is possible please advice how it could be done.
Cheers in advance,
Oliver
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Can anyone please advise me, sorry if it's a dumb question but I really want wide mode @ full resolution.
Cheers,
Oliver
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I want this as well
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I want this as well
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I found some info about this here...
http://www.droidxforums.com/forum/droid-x-audio-video/2208-6mp-8mp.html
It claims...
There is no way to get an 8MP wide screen shot on this phone thought the quality is still pretty excellent in 6MP wide screen mode.
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If true then it's a shame
I know this is a little late, but hopefully I can help clarify if you haven't already found the answer somewhere else.
8 Megapixels = 3264×2448
6 Megapixels = 3264×1836
So long story short is that when you take a widescreen picture at 6mp you'll have the same quality of an 8mp shot, the only difference is the actual size and shape of the picture (widescreen will chop off some of the top and bottom of the picture).
You'll still be able to zoom in just as far and see just as much detail as in an 8mp shot. I personally like 6mp widescreen because it fits the screen of my S3 perfectly, but to each his own. Hope I helped anybody wondering
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I know this is a little late, but hopefully I can help clarify if you haven't already found the answer somewhere else.
8 Megapixels = 3264×2448
6 Megapixels = 3264×1836
So long story short is that when you take a widescreen picture at 6mp you'll have the same quality of an 8mp shot, the only difference is the actual size and shape of the picture (widescreen will chop off some of the top and bottom of the picture).
You'll still be able to zoom in just as far and see just as much detail as in an 8mp shot. I personally like 6mp widescreen because it fits the screen of my S3 perfectly, but to each his own. Hope I helped anybody wondering
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Thanks for the tip mate.
I come from a htc one x and I'm sure that could do 8mp in wide screen.
I had hoped it would be possible to change the software to increase the amount of pixels across the width of the pic using some of the pixels you lose from the hight of wide screen pictures.
But I think this is impossible, it just seems a shame having a 8mp camera and only being able to use 6mp as I also prefer wide screen.
Nevermind, the pictures I take are still good and I'm reasonably happy with the results.
Cheers for the reply
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bigoliver said:
Thanks for the tip mate.
I come from a htc one x and I'm sure that could do 8mp in wide screen.
I had hoped it would be possible to change the software to increase the amount of pixels across the width of the pic using some of the pixels you lose from the hight of wide screen pictures.
But I think this is impossible, it just seems a shame having a 8mp camera and only being able to use 6mp as I also prefer wide screen.
Nevermind, the pictures I take are still good and I'm reasonably happy with the results.
Cheers for the reply
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nop,also htc are 6mpx wide
I think 12mpx or 10mpx can do 8mpx wide, but definitely not 8mpx
erto90 said:
nop,also htc are 6mpx wide
I think 12mpx or 10mpx can do 8mpx wide, but definitely not 8mpx
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Ok thanks for the tip.
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