Does anyone know where I can go to find the latest kernels for cm7? I've searched through http://www.motosunfire.com/cm7miui/ and it says that they are outdated and need to he updated.
Most of the roms here are working.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1323710
You're going to be looking at the top and strange quark branch.
But then again, I think they are the same ones as those posted on motosunfire.
Either way, they are what I have been using for a while, and they're stable.
Downloading strange quark at the moment. Does cache and dalvik cache have to be wiped in cwm prior to flashing?
d_man17 said:
Downloading strange quark at the moment. Does cache and dalvik cache have to be wiped in cwm prior to flashing?
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Doesnt need to be, but do it to be safe. Also, just so you know, the kernel that comes with cm7 is the best one available. It is the only one that remains to be updated. It isnt overclocked, but overclocking will not be apparent through regular use and the tradeoff is more stability and better battery life.
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Bock Abrams said:
Most of the roms here are working.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1323710
You're going to be looking at the top and strange quark branch.
But then again, I think they are the same ones as those posted on motosunfire.
Either way, they are what I have been using for a while, and they're stable.
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These are the same ones I have on my site. They are very outdated! They have not been updated for 8 months or more now. I'm not sure they are the best for CM7. Since it is continually updated while those kernels are not.
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would anybody happen to have any good cm9 kernels? im on jokers cm9. thank you.
BAleR said:
would anybody happen to have any good cm9 kernels? im on jokers cm9. thank you.
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Jokers 1.3 and 1.4 are the only ones available.
So I've been running cm7 with its original kernel for two days now. Battery life is great but I am unsure if my battery icon is displaying the correct percentage. My phone would be discharging and after it hits 80 percent, a few minutes later the batter icon will say 60 or 50 percent remaining. I've tried calibrating the battery yesterday, let it fully charge, boot into cwm recovery, wipe battery stats, boot back into the phone, let it discharge completely, and charge fully, but the icon will never show if I have 70 - 79 percent remaining.
Here's a screen shot of battery usage. The meter would just have a sudden drop in an instant .
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Here's a screen shot of battery usage. The meter would just have a sudden drop in an instant .
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Normally this will subside after going through a few charge cycles. If it continues to do this after a a few days, then assume something is wrong.
Just curious, if i flashed the kernel from CyanMobile gingerbread, will it work with cm7?
The ramdisk is different in cyanmobile. But I made a cm7 version of the 1.0 and 1.3uv kernel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1456298
Only the zimage/kernel is cm7 compatible, not the whole cyanmobile boot.img
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I currently have super clean 2.9.1 + voodoo kernel with JAMT minimalist theme, but I feel like I'm losing more battery than usual.
I had 2 full days of moderate usage right out of the box (wifi always on and screen half the brightness), but now it drops down to 20~30% for about 7 hours of moderate usage with 0 brightness. Also I'm getting random shut-downs at least once a day.
I've now calibrated my battery (at least I think so...don't know for sure), but the battery life stayed the same as before; short.
I'm impressed that I get 1500~1700 on Quadrant, but I don't know if that performance is ever needed for my usage...
I suspect that everyone gets different results with all the roms, but anyway which rom is the most stable with excellent battery life, and with no crash in general?
I had 2 full days of moderate usage right out of the box (wifi always on and screen half the brightness), but now it drops down to 20~30% for about 7 hours of moderate usage with 0 brightness. Also I'm getting random shut-downs at least once a day.
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Random shut-down is probably caused by not flashin ROM properly.
I've now calibrated my battery (at least I think so...don't know for sure), but the battery life stayed the same as before; short.
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Did you calibrated your battery using BStats.zip @ 100% battery level?
I suspect that everyone gets different results with all the roms, but anyway which rom is the most stable with excellent battery life, and with no crash in general?
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No clashing just means that if you did install ROM properly or not most of the time.
I've just flashed SC 2.9.2 NV/EC10 and it is working flawless right now.
I haven't tested the GPS, I don't use it.
xHoLyx said:
Random shut-down is probably caused by not flashin ROM properly.
Did you calibrated your battery using BStats.zip @ 100% battery level?
No clashing just means that if you did install ROM properly or not most of the time.
I've just flashed SC 2.9.2 NV/EC10 and it is working flawless right now.
I haven't tested the GPS, I don't use it.
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I've already gone back to stock to 2.9.1 about 7 times, and yes I flashed Bstats.zip since the "wipe battery stat" option did not work.
Perhaps repetitive rom installation causes the crash? I don't know for sure...
It shouldn't crash even after times of flashin.
I've flashed my phone like 15 times now but works just fine.
Just go to CWM mode and Wipe Cache/Dalvik/Data and reinstall the ROM.
xHoLyx said:
Random shut-down is probably caused by not flashin ROM properly.
Did you calibrated your battery using BStats.zip @ 100% battery level?
No clashing just means that if you did install ROM properly or not most of the time.
I've just flashed SC 2.9.2 NV/EC10 and it is working flawless right now.
I haven't tested the GPS, I don't use it.
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xHoLyx said:
It shouldn't crash even after times of flashin.
I've flashed my phone like 15 times now but works just fine.
Just go to CWM mode and Wipe Cache/Dalvik/Data and reinstall the ROM.
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is it okay to restore my settings with red recovery (nandroid is it?), after reinstallation? or would that restore the crash problems too? I really don't want to set up settings/widgets/apps etc all over again...
and thanks for helping out again!
Nandroid Backup Backups to EXACT state u have backed it up. So, it would cause crashing again. I recommend you to backup data using TiBu(Titanium Backup). Then install ROM. I know it sucks to back up apps again, but better than your phone keep crashin, right?
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Nandroid Backup Backups to EXACT state u have backed it up. So, it would cause crashing again. I recommend you to backup data using TiBu(Titanium Backup). Then install ROM. I know it sucks to back up apps again, but better than your phone keep crashin, right?
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yeah that's what I thought would happen. I'm installing DI01 right now, so I guess I'll just reset all my settings ugh...
hi,
thought on moving to GB from froyo.
so i went and installed every non CM7 ROM in the 2.3.4 forum list.
all of them had problems on my phone with one shared problem that all had, bad battery life.
i did all the calibration needed but it didn't change anything.
i'm talking about a phone with no services except gmail and exchange.
battery on 2.2.1 used to hold for me for around 25-34 hours of usual usage(with still around 20% left).
on GB ROMs it was around 8-10% per hour.
does anyone have a clue where to begin ?
while looking in the battery stats and in system panel software i've noticed that the android system process is the top cpu/battery consumer.
i've also noticed that the phone is slow on most of the ROMs i've installed.
thanks for the help.
Battery on any of the Gingerbread roms that we have available is not going to be as good. Just the way it is. If you are using CM7 try the Glitch kernel. It provides a bit of improvement over the stock CM7 kernel for me.
I have the same problems with my vibrant, the I9K roms seem slow and kill the battery fast. I was only trying them because all the Vibrant Froyo based roms (ie: Stock or Bionix 1.3.1, etc...) have bugs that seem to only be repairable by rebooting the phone (ie: stops ringing when people call... gets the call fine, but doesn't ring. Also, stops being able to play some music formats, only starts to play them again after rebooting, etc...) I can't wait to replace this phone, total PoS IMO, My G2 works far better (Vibrant is actually my wife's phone) and is far easier to try out different roms.
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Battery on any of the Gingerbread roms that we have available is not going to be as good. Just the way it is. If you are using CM7 try the Glitch kernel. It provides a bit of improvement over the stock CM7 kernel for me.
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thanks for the quick reply.
i would have understand if was 20% worst, but no holding for 12 hours and then die.
by they way, are they suppose to be slow/laggy also ?
there are also many new services/system services, my phone has around 40-60 MB less than in froyo.
i didn't try CM7 because as i understand the GPS is not working in them.
Ummm no. Try trigger redux. Yes the battery ain't froyo but GPS locks on 7 sats and Birg put a ton of work making it snappier than any froyo out. Trust me, the speed is insane. Anything cm7 based is worthy of being your daily driver. It makes my phone awesome yet again.
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Ummm no. Try trigger redux. Yes the battery ain't froyo but GPS locks on 7 sats and Birg put a ton of work making it snappier than any froyo out. Trust me, the speed is insane. Anything cm7 based is worthy of being your daily driver. It makes my phone awesome yet again.
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ok,
is it this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1156123 ?
just two questions about that rom
1. can i flash it directly from my rom(http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1124734) ?
2. how long does the battery last for you (mine got down now 40% in the last 6 hours) ?
thanks.
xxprowler said:
ok,
is it this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1156123 ?
just two questions about that rom
1. can i flash it directly from my rom(http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1124734) ?
2. how long does the battery last for you (mine got down now 40% in the last 6 hours) ?
thanks.
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yeh
no, odin to stock
dont know, never tried it lol
Get more batteries just kidding...
Have had my SGT 10.1 for about a month, unlocked bootloader, rooted, running Bonsai 0.2.0. Flashed Starburst a couple of days ago, with pershoot's kernel.
All has been well, until today, when it began shutting down because it thought it was out of power, although it was at 76%. I tried a few things to fix this, including wiping battery stats, and wiping data, cache and dalvik and restoring my nandroid backup. Now the Tab is draining the battery quickly, using it up in about 1/2 hour.
Do I need to replace this Tab, or is there a solution?
TIA!
I see other users are also having a the same issue ion the 10.1v development forum, have a look, maybe they can assist.
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Have had my SGT 10.1 for about a month, unlocked bootloader, rooted, running Bonsai 0.2.0. Flashed Starburst a couple of days ago, with pershoot's kernel.
All has been well, until today, when it began shutting down because it thought it was out of power, although it was at 76%. I tried a few things to fix this, including wiping battery stats, and wiping data, cache and dalvik and restoring my nandroid backup. Now the Tab is draining the battery quickly, using it up in about 1/2 hour.
Do I need to replace this Tab, or is there a solution?
TIA!
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i dont know which kernel date your on, but flash -0809. that will sort it for you.
recalibrate your battery properly. you should go back to the stock kernel to do this.
pershoot said:
i dont know which kernel date your on, but flash -0809. that will sort it for you.
recalibrate your battery properly. you should go back to the stock kernel to do this.
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I am using PSKernel-boot-cm_2636.4_ux-oc-xtra-vfpv3-d16_fp-080711.
So, flash stock kernel, charge to 100%, delete batterystats.bin, reboot, let tablet fully discharge, then fully charge with tablet off, then with tablet at 100%, flash 0809?
Will do tonight. Thanks for the assist, and thanks for the development work!!
smalis said:
I am using PSKernel-boot-cm_2636.4_ux-oc-xtra-vfpv3-d16_fp-080711.
So, flash stock kernel, charge to 100%, delete batterystats.bin, reboot, let tablet fully discharge, then fully charge with tablet off, then with tablet at 100%, flash 0809?
Will do tonight. Thanks for the assist, and thanks for the development work!!
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i have no idea what pskernel is. that is not mine.
pls only get downloads from me.
pershoot said:
i have no idea what pskernel is. that is not mine.
pls only get downloads from me.
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Oh, sorry, that is your kernel, from Droid Basement. I had renamed it when I downloaded it just for my own (in)ability to remember what it was, and forgot that I had renamed it when I copied the name for my response to you.
Now, what were we talking about again...?
what is the recalibrate procedure and why is stock kernel recommended?
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alexige said:
what is the recalibrate procedure and why is stock kernel recommended?
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i'm also interested in recalibrating my battery (stock 10.1v).
alexige said:
what is the recalibrate procedure and why is stock kernel recommended?
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I believe the procedure is as stated in post #4.
Also, see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1024867
Point of note: I've had the same battery phenomena occur on wifi (which I returned) and LTE units.
Key point: I have not rooted either of these units.
I believe it may be a Samsumg hardware issue. I am also wondering if this is a result of the unit(s) being banged around, as it seems to happen when I leave it in my laptop case or carry it on the go, more frequently. I can think of about six times this has happened...
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Point of note: I've had the same battery phenomena occur on wifi (which I returned) and LTE units.
Key point: I have not rooted either of these units.
I believe it may be a Samsumg hardware issue. I am also wondering if this is a result of the unit(s) being banged around, as it seems to happen when I leave it in my laptop case or carry it on the go, more frequently. I can think of about six times this has happened...
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If you and I are having the same issue for my part i can rule that theory out because mine sits on my desk all day waiting for me to get home no drain all day then 30% drain within 45 mins of use.
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you can try this procedure:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1215182
Just rooted today...
My main issue is to extend the battery life.
Do I need to install a ROM to do that
If so what ROM do you suggest, but prefer something that is fast, barebones, great battery life, I am prolly going to be running go launcher...
How long have you been with the phone? I just got it a few days ago and waiting to "break-in" the battery...
I know for my t989 it was the same deal.
There are a few kernels that really help, go to the dev section and read up on them (and roms too!).
Install a custom rom and kernal.
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try fourth bar
you might want to try fourth bar rom. it's default launcher is go launcher and says it has amazing battery life. here's the link to it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1421811
I just got the phone on the weekend and installed xboarders BulletProof ROM day before yesterday and the SetCPU app. My battery life has improved dramatically. Now I can get 14-16 hours of moderate use out of the phone on 4g. This gets me through my day and has made this phone the PERFECT device for me. I love it!!
On Wifi and with more careful power management the battery could definitely last up to 24 hr.
isamaranga said:
On Wifi and with more careful power management the battery could definitely last up to 24 hr.
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I believe WiFi actually takes more juice than on 4G.
Search JuiceDefender in the Market. It's helped significantly with my battery life.
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babymatteo said:
I believe WiFi actually takes more juice than on 4G.
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Leaving WiFi on and scanning while not connected to a network will drain your battery, but in a head-to-head wifi vs 4g connection battle WiFi comes out on top.
Flash Faux's Kernel located here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1359951
Otherwise use Xboarder56's Sense 3.5 Rom. I've been on it for about a week with amazing battery life (40 hours-ish)
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How long have you been with the phone? I just got it a few days ago and waiting to "break-in" the battery...
I know for my t989 it was the same deal.
There are a few kernels that really help, go to the dev section and read up on them (and roms too!).
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I had if for a few months... you are 100 percent right about the break in period, when I first got this phone I could almost watch this phone drain to nothing..
I also purchased a couple of anker batteries and a wall chargers... I noticed that if I complete charge and drain the battery the life would even get better I did this about 12 times for each battery.
stew721 said:
Search JuiceDefender in the Market. It's helped significantly with my battery life.
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Tried it and did nothing for me... well it did make my phone super glitchy..
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daeboe said:
Flash Faux's Kernel located here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1359951
Otherwise use Xboarder56's Sense 3.5 Rom. I've been on it for about a week with amazing battery life (40 hours-ish)
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should I do both... I will admit I not sure what the difference between rom and a kernal...
try the fourth bar sense. my batter has improved a lot
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should I do both... I will admit I not sure what the difference between rom and a kernal...
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Yes you need to do both. Most, if not all, ROMs come with their own kernel that must be installed so that everything in the ROM works correctly. You flash a rom through recovery and then use fastboot to install the kernel. A lot of the current ROMs come with a script that flashes the kernel for you though, so it's not a big deal. (Other devices that have S-OFF can flash the kernel directly when you flash the rom, which is one reason why we want S-OFF so much, so possibly think about donating to the cause).
Awesome... installed the 4th sense rom... I am very happy with it so far!
I also flashed kernel by faux.. but I am not sure if took, how can I tell?
Any suggestions for overclocking my cpu... or does the kernel do that?
thanks a bunch guys I will let you know how the battery life issue goes!
Donations... Yes I will send some juice to these folks!
Preaak said:
Awesome... installed the 4th sense rom... I am very happy with it so far!
I also flashed kernel by faux.. but I am not sure if took, how can I tell?
Any suggestions for overclocking my cpu... or does the kernel do that?
thanks a bunch guys I will let you know how the battery life issue goes!
Donations... Yes I will send some juice to these folks!
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You'll know it works by not having any problems. I believe the kernel overclocks it for you, but OCing lowers battery life, so it kind of goes against what you originally wanted.
MildewMan said:
You'll know it works by not having any problems. I believe the kernel overclocks it for you, but OCing lowers battery life, so it kind of goes against what you originally wanted.
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No problems so for.. battery life looks really good so far.. I just popped in a fresh battery so I will see how it goes.
It is overclocked for sure... I ran a couple of benchmark tests. We will see how it goes... I would like to get through a day... finally..
I am even thinking of underclocking... thanks again!
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No problems so for.. battery life looks really good so far.. I just popped in a fresh battery so I will see how it goes.
It is overclocked for sure... I ran a couple of benchmark tests. We will see how it goes... I would like to get through a day... finally..
I am even thinking of underclocking... thanks again!
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I've tried almost all of the roms here (except bulletproof) in combination with stock and faux kernels. The best combos I came up with for battery was BeastMod and 4th Bar with stock kernel from BeastMod. No matter what I did with faux kernels (OC, UC, Undervolt) I could never beat the battery life of stock kernel. Good luck and keep us updated.
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I've tried almost all of the roms here (except bulletproof) in combination with stock and faux kernels. The best combos I came up with for battery was BeastMod and 4th Bar with stock kernel from BeastMod. No matter what I did with faux kernels (OC, UC, Undervolt) I could never beat the battery life of stock kernel. Good luck and keep us updated.
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For the limited time I have been on kernel and Rom there is been no significant change in battery life.
The phone is faster that is for sure.. that will drain battery
faster but I a running less widgets and no live wallpaper that I normally rock.
The deal breaker for me is that the sound remains on when you close apps/games... and stays on even when the screen is off.
I will give beat mod a try with a stock kernel.
This is a test thread for those experiencing excessive battery drain on the latest RUU leak 3.11.605.22.
This is only a test! I dont know if this will fix anything! Pleast post your findings!
Background
Some people with the latest kernel from 3.11.605.22 leak are experiencing excessive battery drain accompanied with excessive heat. I and others believe this is kernel related and need some people to test the older kernels with the latest leak. This is meant only for those with these symptoms. If you are not having this problem then skip this thread!
Instructions
Install the 3.0.13 Kernel and test battery and heat. Flash in recovery like any other mod / ROM. It will then reboot to boot loader and from there you press power to make phone scan the SD card and then allow it to update the boot.img
Notes
The 3.0.13 kernel had the blue flash issue. Do not report that bug. I know it exist and you know it exist. The purpose of this thread is to for drain and heat! The 3.0.13 kernel may not charge 3.8v batteries properly.I honestly cant remember so can you report the findings if you have a 3.8v battery?
You do not need to wipe anything when you flash these kernels.
I have also posted the original kernel from the latest leak so you can revert back.
Once again this is just a test for those experiencing excessive battery and heat problems with the latest RUU leak 3.11.605.22. This is not a fix or work around for any other issue.
Please test these kernel so we can figure out why some are having this issue!
Thanks to Con24 for the install script!
Thanks,
-Scott
Flashed. Will report back.
All good so far. Can't seem to reproduce the high temps. Tethering, charging and camera all at the same time, no heat issue. It's only been an hour. Will report back later. Thanks for your help.
dirk411 said:
All good so far. Can't seem to reproduce the high temps. Tethering, charging and camera all at the same time, no heat issue. It's only been an hour. Will report back later. Thanks for your help.
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So you had the heat issue before but with the kernel I posted it seems better?
I did test this as I was initially having heat problems with the 3.016 kernal. I was hesitant to post the results as I seem to have more difficulty than most with this particular device. My first install after ruu I had temps around 120 and battery drain. Wiping and reflashing brought it down to about 105 Max, and decent battery life . Since I was about to flash the clean pro I figured what the hell. Flashed the 3.013 kernal and ran it for a couple hours and my temp averaged 115 to 120 again. I then flashed back to the 3.016 kernal and whaddaya know, 115 to 120 again.
Wiped boot,and 5x wiped ...flashed cleanrom pro edition and it hasn't even hit 100 degrees yet.
It should be noted that I believe I have "one of those devices" that sometimes just doesn't work right for whatever reason.
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So you had the heat issue before but with the kernel I posted it seems better?
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Yes, phone would get very hot while tethering and having it plugged in. Thus far, no more heat issue.
I have a major heat/battery drain problem running the latest leaked RUU. My phone will go from 100% charge down to 50 in less than an hour! It also gets extremely overheated to the point that i end up popping the back cover and battery to let everything cool down. I mean my phone gets HOT. I was thinking I just happened to be one of the "lucky" few with a "bad" device but I will try flashing the kernel and report my findings back here . I'll keep my fingers crossed!!
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I'm wondering if on some devices if the actual flashing of kernal may be going wrong somehow. If someone flashes this and still has a heat issue could you try simply reflashing the kernal.
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I'm going to try this as my phone hit 130 today streaming music on 4g. I did notice the 5x wipe post and was curious. What exactly are you wiping 5 times?
It wipes data and System for a new rom flash.
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Will flash this and test tonight. An interesting side note last night. I got a lined blue screen when turning the screen on. I hadn't seen that in a while on the old leaks. Haven't had any blue flicker so it was quite the surprise.
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So then your running the Wipe All data / factory reset option 5 times? Just asking cause you can do individual area wipes too.
Yes. It's just to make it easier for people that like to wipe multiple times.
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So then your running the Wipe All data / factory reset option 5 times? Just asking cause you can do individual area wipes too.
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he's actually using Scott's CleanWIPE script. I use it too and it does all that for you
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So I tried the old kerenel and the battery drain is a little bit better but still it drains fast
Drain about the same. Not charging 3.8 battery past 93%.
Yea, not much change here, Seems cooler, but drains the same. I am gonna flash cleanrom 4.1 pro and 5xwipe and see if a clean install of everything is any better. Will post back with more later.
Have you guys reached out to IMO for kernel help? I read he was interested in making rezound kernels. The more help the better.
I've been trying to replicate the heating and battery drain problem by switching back and forth between the two kernels but have been unsuccessful. It's strange because I did the exact same thing. The only difference is that when I got it to heat up this morning I was on cleanrom regular, now on pro.
Makes it seem completely random.
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mighty_markus12 said:
Have you guys reached out to IMO for kernel help? I read he was interested in making rezound kernels. The more help the better.
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Reach out to who? No one has source code for ICS so I am not sure who woudl really be able to help with out that though.