What is the kernel and how does it interact with a ROM

What is the kernel and how does it interact with a ROM - AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777

I'm currently using supernexus on my i-777 with whatever kernel it came with. I keep seeing 'siyah' come up in discussion as "fast and smooth" so I'm considering flashing it. However, none of my searches have retrieved any threads where 'kernel' is actually defined or discussion of how/why you would choose to change the kernel from the one the rom dev considers best in his rom.
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Here you go.

This is a very easy thing to research on your own. Google is yer friend. Lots of information on this.

In before lock!
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Phalanx7621 said:
This is a very easy thing to research on your own. Google is yer friend. Lots of information on this.
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You know its funny. I searched in searched within xda and never once thought of just googling it. My bad.
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sharonbw said:
You know its funny. I searched in searched within xda and never once thought of just googling it. My bad.
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I find it hard to believe that you searched xda at all. The first result of a basic "what is a kernel" search is an xda wiki article that explains exactly what it is in lay terms. Maybe you were searching for things like "where is the popcorn", I don't know. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you weren't, which then leaves us with the only other possibility I can think of: no, you didn't do your research. So please don't insult our intelligence by claiming that you did.

nitox.n2o said:
I find it hard to believe that you searched xda at all. The first result of a basic "what is a kernel" search is an xda wiki article that explains exactly what it is in lay terms. Maybe you were searching for things like "where is the popcorn", I don't know. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you weren't, which then leaves us with the only other possibility I can think of: no, you didn't do your research. So please don't insult our intelligence by claiming that you did.
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nitox.n2o said:
I find it hard to believe that you searched xda at all. The first result of a basic "what is a kernel" search is an xda wiki article that explains exactly what it is in lay terms. Maybe you were searching for things like "where is the popcorn", I don't know. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you weren't, which then leaves us with the only other possibility I can think of: no, you didn't do your research. So please don't insult our intelligence by claiming that you did.
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Wouldn't I actually be insulting my own intelligence by claiming I searched and didn't find what I needed? I'm quite sure you are much smarter than me.
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brandonarev said:
In before lock!
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LOL
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Don't hold your breath on getting any 'this kernel vs that kernel vs stock kernel' info in here either. I have yet to see anyone here taking a critical review of what each has to offer in comparison to any other, or in relation to each with stability, enabled capabilities, pro's cons, etc that isn't just self promoting. This is the first forum in XDA that I've found the majority of active users just flashing whatever is currently promoted as best without question. I assume the developers are more or less tired of the static and stay away, and I get that, I would too.

SoCalHTCFuze said:
Don't hold your breath on getting any 'this kernel vs that kernel vs stock kernel' info in here either. I have yet to see anyone here taking a critical review of what each has to offer in comparison to any other, or in relation to each with stability, enabled capabilities, pro's cons, etc that isn't just self promoting. This is the first forum in XDA that I've found the majority of active users just flashing whatever is currently promoted as best without question. I assume the developers are more or less tired of the static and stay away, and I get that, I would too.
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I understand that! I was almost one of the sheep but embarrassment got me to read pretty thoroughly (ok a lot was wikipedia) and decide I'm happy with whatever kernel Faryaab puts in his rom.
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SoCalHTCFuze said:
Don't hold your breath on getting any 'this kernel vs that kernel vs stock kernel' info in here either. I have yet to see anyone here taking a critical review of what each has to offer in comparison to any other, or in relation to each with stability, enabled capabilities, pro's cons, etc that isn't just self promoting. This is the first forum in XDA that I've found the majority of active users just flashing whatever is currently promoted as best without question. I assume the developers are more or less tired of the static and stay away, and I get that, I would too.
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The major reason there are no "this kernel vs that kernel vs stock kernel" threads is that they typically devolve into a bunch of pointless bickering and get closed by mods. After numerous times this has happened (no only on the i777 forums) they are now 'officially' not allowed and will get closed immediately.
At one point quite some time ago, someone started a thread that included a bunch of statistics to try to document more quantitively the differences between ROMs and Kernels - I think there was a set method of sending data to the OP of that thread, and it was being compiled into a spreadsheet. IIRC this was back in the GB days - the thread is probably buried deep in the general forum somewhere. Without some type of quantitative analysis/support, there are just too many individual variables (e.g. better/worse cell signal, set of installed apps, usage patterns, screen brightness settings, etc. etc. etc.) to really determine what kernel is 'better' than another. It is much more important for a kernel to be 'good' for an individual user's situation.
The best way to determine that, is to try one and see. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it, we here at the i777 forums don't have a huge array of kernels to choose from so this individual testing is not particularly onerous.

Thank you dandrumheller, that was the best answer I've seen on here to date related to kernels! It explains why everyone is so incredibly evasive in offering any information.

SoCalHTCFuze said:
Thank you dandrumheller, that was the best answer I've seen on here to date related to kernels! It explains why everyone is so incredibly evasive in offering any information.
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Although that didn't actually answer my (op) question it sure explains a lot!!!
I answered my own question by googling - what I should have done in the first place!
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sharonbw said:
Although that didn't actually answer my (op) question it sure explains a lot!!!
I answered my own question by googling - what I should have done in the first place!
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Now that's what I like to hear.
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[Q] Two questions as I try to organize myself before rooting

So I've done a few roots before but each time I always do the same research, going through all of the guides and making sure I'm fully aware of everything that could factor in before proceeding (one bad experience'll do that to ya). I'm pretty sure I have everything together and just have three questions before I begin:
1) I have an AT&T Galaxy SII but am not sure whether or not I have the UCKK6 over the air update. How would I go about checking this?
2) I was mostly interested in Villainrom as a custom rom, however, I noticed that there is only a release in the international version of the Galaxy S II (at least as far as I can find). Do the differing features between the two phones mean that I am unable to install this? If so I was going to go with CM7 (I've been a CM fan for a while now and with ICS coming it was a close decision between the two), however, I noticed on their official site the phone pictured with the Galaxy SII section is the International version. This kinda ties back in with my first question, being I don't want to attempt to flash something that has a chance of not working
3) I planned on using superclick to root, and then I have mobile odin pro to flash the rom. As far as I know these are the only two programs/files I need for the process besides the Rom, is that correct?
Thank you for your time!

Totalrapture said:
So I've done a few roots before but each time I always do the same research, going through all of the guides and making sure I'm fully aware of everything that could factor in before proceeding (one bad experience'll do that to ya). I'm pretty sure I have everything together and just have three questions before I begin:
1) I have an AT&T Galaxy SII but am not sure whether or not I have the UCKK6 over the air update. How would I go about checking this?
2) I was mostly interested in Villainrom as a custom rom, however, I noticed that there is only a release in the international version of the Galaxy S II (at least as far as I can find). Do the differing features between the two phones mean that I am unable to install this? If so I was going to go with CM7 (I've been a CM fan for a while now and with ICS coming it was a close decision between the two), however, I noticed on their official site the phone pictured with the Galaxy SII section is the International version. This kinda ties back in with my first question, being I don't want to attempt to flash something that has a chance of not working
3) I planned on using superclick to root, and then I have mobile odin pro to flash the rom. As far as I know these are the only two programs/files I need for the process besides the Rom, is that correct?
Thank you for your time!
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1) Settings > About Phone > Android Version (2.3.6 = KK6, 2.3.4 = KH7)
2) Hellraiser (look in the development forums); you may have a problem with the links. Someone posted theirs, but I can't find it. Hopefully someone can post theirs here.
3) I don't know. I think it'd have to be a tar file. Typically, you want to get a CWM kernel and install from there (see stickies or development; somewhere around here there's a guide). Creepy Crawly's sticky in general is probably what you want. I only use mobile odin to flash modems and kernels; hadn't used it to flash an entire rom. The only other use I've seen others report is flashing firmwares.

Totalrapture said:
So I've done a few roots before but each time I always do the same research, going through all of the guides and making sure I'm fully aware of everything that could factor in before proceeding (one bad experience'll do that to ya). I'm pretty sure I have everything together and just have three questions before I begin:
1) I have an AT&T Galaxy SII but am not sure whether or not I have the UCKK6 over the air update. How would I go about checking this?
2) I was mostly interested in Villainrom as a custom rom, however, I noticed that there is only a release in the international version of the Galaxy S II (at least as far as I can find). Do the differing features between the two phones mean that I am unable to install this? If so I was going to go with CM7 (I've been a CM fan for a while now and with ICS coming it was a close decision between the two), however, I noticed on their official site the phone pictured with the Galaxy SII section is the International version. This kinda ties back in with my first question, being I don't want to attempt to flash something that has a chance of not working
3) I planned on using superclick to root, and then I have mobile odin pro to flash the rom. As far as I know these are the only two programs/files I need for the process besides the Rom, is that correct?
Thank you for your time!
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1. Settings > about phone then scroll to the bottom.
2. Use hellraiser to run i9100 roms minus any ics roms. Look in developmentsection.
3. Look in sticky section for root instructions. After that mobile Odin a custom kernel then find the ROM you want flash in cwm then flash hellraiser package
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Totalrapture said:
1) I have an AT&T Galaxy SII but am not sure whether or not I have the UCKK6 over the air update. How would I go about checking this?
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Dude, if this is a question for you, then forget modifying your phone until you read some more. Did you look at the sticky? Make sure you understand it before you attempt rooting or flashing anything.

Miami_Son said:
Dude, if this is a question for you, then forget modifying your phone until you read some more. Did you look at the sticky? Make sure you understand it before you attempt rooting or flashing anything.
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^ my thoughts exactly
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Thanks for the replies! T'would appear I have the update so I'll prob just wait on the all in one. Cheers

Probably for the best.

Miami_Son said:
Probably for the best.
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There's no reason for you to be an asshole... I've flashed phones before. Because I wasn't sure whether this specific update info could be found in that section or not is the reason I asked. Sure I could've Googled it just as easily but I had a more important question to ask, namely the one referring to the use of international roms. I've been modifying devices for about six years now, from flashing/upgrading/downgrading PSPs, iPhones, rooting phones and various devices in between. Your advice I'm sure applies to some people but that doesn't mean you give it sounding like an elitist prick. Get over yourself, you're not some master flasher and you have no idea my specific experience. I'm waiting for an all in one because its easier and I don't necessarily NEED a rooted phone right now, not because I'm so technologically inept I couldn't figure it out.

If you couldn't figure out something as basic as finding which ROM version your phone is running, then you certainly are likely to find yourself among those who come in here looking for help after a flash goes bad. The forums are littered with them. I wasn't trying to sound like a prick (although I often do) with that reply, I was just encouraging you to take my earlier advice on reading up more before attempting a flash. Everything you asked about could be answered by just doing a little research instead of starting a new thread.

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Miami_Son, you and entropy512 are so misunderstood..
Seems like last week I was chastising entropy for "sounding like a douche" and calling devs "divas" lol I totally get it now... My apologies to all of you..
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It's a thankless job, but we do it gladly.

Miami_Son said:
It's a thankless job, but we do it gladly.
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Thanked! Lol. It is appreciated, too bad the pay sucks.
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I've done plenty of generic reading on it, plenty of nooby guides, plenty of flashes. I wasn't certain whether or not that update was something associated with the overall "system firmware" or whatever the terminology is. There's a certain way of suggesting things to do, and you as a "help giver" have a responsibility to make sure you're a) giving accurate advice in regards to someone's scenario and b) giving it in a way that doesn't make you out to be a jerk

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I've done plenty of generic reading on it, plenty of nooby guides, plenty of flashes. I wasn't certain whether or not that update was something associated with the overall "system firmware" or whatever the terminology is. There's a certain way of suggesting things to do, and you as a "help giver" have a responsibility to make sure you're a) giving accurate advice in regards to someone's scenario and b) giving it in a way that doesn't make you out to be a jerk
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What fantasy world are you living in? Help is given here for free and in any form the poster wants to give it in. There is absolutely zero responsibility other than to follow the forum rules. I am a jerk so why would I try to present myself otherwise? You should quit while you're behind.

Totalrapture said:
I've done plenty of generic reading on it, plenty of nooby guides, plenty of flashes. I wasn't certain whether or not that update was something associated with the overall "system firmware" or whatever the terminology is. There's a certain way of suggesting things to do, and you as a "help giver" have a responsibility to make sure you're a) giving accurate advice in regards to someone's scenario and b) giving it in a way that doesn't make you out to be a jerk
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Just shut up now.. Read and figure it out.. If you cant figure it out... STOP.. Do nothing.. Last thing anyone wants is you jacking up your phone... Not because anyone gives a damn, but because we gotta listen to you cry about you messin up your **** cuz you were too stoopid (sp on purpose)... Nobody owes you anything.. Invest the time and do it right the first time. Read EVERY PAGE of the root method you want to flash. Then come back here and cry about something you missed.. We all know it's coming.. I'll wait..
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People round here dont give the fish away. You gotta go get em yourself.. They've done everything but bait the hook for you..
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Stevenrogers_420 said:
People round here dont give the fish away. You gotta go get em yourself.. They've done everything but bait the hook for you..
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Those little thumb tacks are sharp and pointy like hooks. the thread titles attached to them tease me like worms tease fish. Hook = baited... just sayin'.
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dandrumheller said:
Those little thumb tacks are sharp and pointy like hooks. the thread titles attached to them tease me like worms tease fish. Hook = baited... just sayin'.
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That's deep.....
But that's a stretch.. I mean I see how you got there and all but..
Really!??
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Totalrapture said:
I've done plenty of generic reading on it, plenty of nooby guides, plenty of flashes. I wasn't certain whether or not that update was something associated with the overall "system firmware" or whatever the terminology is. There's a certain way of suggesting things to do, and you as a "help giver" have a responsibility to make sure you're a) giving accurate advice in regards to someone's scenario and b) giving it in a way that doesn't make you out to be a jerk
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There are a few people here you'll learn to love...
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[Q] I have a few

Hello I'm a newb!
I'm sorry, but this is the unfortunate state I find myself in.
When I first found this site, what I was expecting to find was a ICS for my phone. I could not have guessed what I would learn here. I had no idea I had a counter in my phone to worry about when installing open sourced roms? Next after much more reading I am to learn the source code Google releases is not complete, and uses binary drivers? Now I am to learn about CIQ, and my phone is spying on me? Wow!
Before I say anything else I want to express my thanks to this community. This has been such a resource I had no idea that it would be when I started. Thank you!
Now on to my question that after learning about all of that I don't seem to have a clear answer to. What I wanted when I first considered getting an Android phone, was to build from source, and run my own rom. I still want this, even more so since I learned about CIQ.
1. Due to the counter on my phone
2. I am to understand multiple images that make the phone work (boot, firmware, system)
3. The binary drivers.
Is this at all a reasonable goal?
Are there more flash images that I haven't read about yet?
Would having a direct from Google rom even be desirable?
I own a stock SGH-I777, I have done nothing to it yet.
Lastly about this site:
Is there anything you think I should read about on the forums?
Any language I should know, as in what does hellraiser imply/mean?
Any Android experience you think might benefit a could be developer?

Counter can be reset and avoided all together.
Sorry I don't know much about AOSP building, but your better off starting with compiling CM and learn from there unless you are really experienced in coding.

Speaking of, the image used to not increment the counter does, or does not still contain CIQ? I suspect it does? I would like a phone at some point w/o CIQ, and fully open source. Ty for reminding me.

NEME5I5 said:
Speaking of, the image used to not increment the counter does, or does not still contain CIQ? I suspect it does? I would like a phone at some point w/o CIQ, and fully open source.
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AT&T Galaxy S2 SGH-I777 has never had CIQ.

LiLChris06 said:
AT&T Galaxy S2 SGH-I777 has never had CIQ.
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I'm shocked AT&T choose not to bug their customers? I assumed since I saw mention of it being on Samsung, that it was on all their phones?

NEME5I5 said:
I'm shocked AT&T choose not to bug their customers? I assumed since I saw mention of it being on Samsung, that it was on all their phones?
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No it was just some phones, I think the skyrocket had it at some point.
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Ok, so I rooted my first cell phone. It would seem heimdall latest has a bug that will brick your phone. (I'm on Mac OS Lion) I used the 1.3.1 instead, and it worked fine.
I saw many more sites, and this was quite easy. The way they showed it was very complex. Since I'm new at this should I wait to try out a ICS rom till after Samsung releases their source code, and the devs have had a chance to get it stable? How complete is the open source version of ICS? There was a note on the fsf.org page that linked me over here that some of the parts were still binary. Is it still true?
I think long term I want to get away from the official releases.

Well, you came this far, might as well flash an ICS rom now. If the leaks are any indication of status, the Samsung release will be pretty stable but the included kernel is problematic because it can cause hardbricking. Besides, you want to get away from stock, and all of the big roms released thus far are pretty darn stable; I don't know anything about binary parts or any of the coding, but plenty of people have no problem running CM or AOKP. Even the Samsung-based roms all look AOSP-like nowadays because they use Apex or Nova (not many devs like Touchwiz anymore). So take your pick, they're all good roms and most look like AOSP to some extent, with a few (mainly CM and AOKP) striving for pure AOSP.
Make sure to read and follow this guide carefully for flashing stuff, and have fun!

Ok here is where I have a problem. I have no idea about half of what you said? I know AOSP means "Android open source project" by inference of another reply. I even think CWM means "clockwork mod." (don't even know what this is yet) Saw a youtube video that mentioned it.
What is hard bricking, and what should I read to prevent it? I came here for a ICS rom, and it sounds like the two trying to be most open source are my preference.

NEME5I5 said:
Ok here is where I have a problem. I have no idea about half of what you said? I know AOSP means "Android open source project" by inference of another reply. I even think CWM means "clockwork mod." (don't even know what this is yet) Saw a youtube video that mentioned it.
What is hard bricking, and what should I read to prevent it? I came here for a ICS rom, and it sounds like the two trying to be most open source are my preference.
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Read, read, and read some more. If you don't understand the post above then there is no way you would be able to compile a rom for this phone, which is what I gathered from your op
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Yeh. Just give me the new thing! I want that shiny biscuit! Zomg! "Check MY device out. Its got AOKP on it. BAM.". "Oh cool how does that work?". "Pfft who cares. Its shiny!!!"
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NEME5I5 said:
Ok here is where I have a problem. I have no idea about half of what you said? I know AOSP means "Android open source project" by inference of another reply. I even think CWM means "clockwork mod." (don't even know what this is yet) Saw a youtube video that mentioned it.
What is hard bricking, and what should I read to prevent it? I came here for a ICS rom, and it sounds like the two trying to be most open source are my preference.
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Prother, by no mean to offense you, but seriously, if you don't know those fundamental technical terms, I strongly suggest you to hold off what you about to do and spend more time reading.
Let me go off and do a search the post for you, where you can get used to those terms.
Hang tight, prother.

Pirateghost said:
Read, read, and read some more. If you don't understand the post above then there is no way you would be able to compile a rom for this phone, which is what I gathered from your op
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So I will. To be honest I don't see the connection between the new jargon, and development I learn in school. There is definately much to learn here. I was expecting this to be like Zaurus development from back when I was active, it's very clear to me that this is a very different beast.

Here is one, I'm sure there is other thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1466228&highlight=abbreviation

votinh said:
Here is one, I'm sure there is other thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1466228&highlight=abbreviation
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Thank you friend. I may not have my own rom at the end of summer, but I should be on my way to understanding what would be needed for one.
Well the terms I wanted are not present on that list, most of that I was familiar with. To be honest, some of it I have not seen before as well. What is hellraiser, and some of the other xda developed jargon? I do have a tab open to that part of the forums, I just hadn't made it over there yet. I started on the forums for my device, then Android OS, and lastly general. Is there any other place I should pay special attention to that would help me?

Phalanx7621 said:
Yeh. Just give me the new thing! I want that shiny biscuit! Zomg! "Check MY device out. Its got AOKP on it. BAM.". "Oh cool how does that work?". "Pfft who cares. Its shiny!!!"
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Ok? I'm not sure I understand, is there something you don't like about the aokp rom that doesn't work very well?
I want off of the carrier provided images based on personal conviction. Google's development practices smack of cathedral, as do all of the 3rd party companies. In a sense they are abusing the spirit of free software by using a signed kernel to impede (if not actually prevent) our right to modify hardware we own. Any normal user of the software provided by the community (bazaar) can only help the cause.
I plan to share what I personally learn with close friends who live in my area. The more people we liberate, the better for everyone else. I simply applaud the work done here.

You can safely ignore Phalanx's post, he's just mocking you and other new users for not reading carefully and being stupid. You're at least trying to read and understand stuff, so I don't see any reason you should be put down the way he's doing so.
Here are a couple other links I think you'll find useful (please click my thanks button if you agree!):
ROM vs Kernel
Odex vs Deodex
Make sure to read all of the links posted in the sticky at the top of this forum, too. But note that by no means is this everything you need to read.
Mind you, all this reading is meant mostly for end-users, so that we learn how to safely and smartly modify our phones. Actual original developing beyond using what's already provided by the devs is a whole different story, and I'm sure there's even more to read up on that.
Good luck, happy flashing, and if you plan to develop later down the line, good luck with that too!

karate104 said:
You can safely ignore Phalanx's post, he's just mocking you and other new users for not reading carefully and being stupid. You're at least trying to read and understand stuff, so I don't see any reason you should be put down the way he's doing so.
Here are a couple other links I think you'll find useful (please click my thanks button if you agree!):
ROM vs Kernel
Odex vs Deodex
Make sure to read all of the links posted in the sticky at the top of this forum, too. But note that by no means is this everything you need to read.
Mind you, all this reading is meant mostly for end-users, so that we learn how to safely and smartly modify our phones. Actual original developing beyond using what's already provided by the devs is a whole different story, and I'm sure there's even more to read up on that.
Good luck, happy flashing, and if you plan to develop later down the line, good luck with that too!
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Ty for all your help. I'm glad you're all so thorough, it was like peeling an onion. The more I was looking at rooting my phone, the more there was to learn. All of you have done an amazing job making this approachable to a brand new user.
Ah I don't assume anymore about what people are trying to say, not everyone is a native english speaker. So I try to be understanding.
Yup I'll be at this for a while, I'm happy to have made some introductions, and maybe some time down the road I can even hope to contribute in some small way.

From a relative noob:
Follow the directions in the " [GUIDE] How to Flash Custom Binaries Without Ever Incrementing the Flash Counter!! " thread. Then pick a rom you want to try and follow the CWM directions ... after that , find a ROM you like. If you don't want to void your warranty, wait for your carrier to provide the closest thing to what you want ... but, I'm happy with my flashed ICS ROM.

NEME5I5 said:
Ty for all your help. I'm glad you're all so thorough, it was like peeling an onion. The more I was looking at rooting my phone, the more there was to learn. All of you have done an amazing job making this approachable to a brand new user.
Ah I don't assume anymore about what people are trying to say, not everyone is a native english speaker. So I try to be understanding.
Yup I'll be at this for a while, I'm happy to have made some introductions, and maybe some time down the road I can even hope to contribute in some small way.
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Just like everyone else has said. Read read read. Search for answers for your questions before you ask on forums. U will be fine as long as u can read and follow simple directions. Good luck to u. If u haven't flashed a rom yet I would recommend aokp. Awesome rom.
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What ICS is better that Stock ICS

Hi wanted to know what ICS is much better than the stock released ICS?? I tried jellybean but I cant stand the reboots!!! Any help would be appreciated thanks!:silly:

CM9.1 stable build. Always my go to ROM when I need stability. Never had any issues.

It's all a matter of opinion and personal preference. Everyone has a different answer, which is why it is kind of frowned upon to start this kind of a thread... again and again. Just go try some out until you find one that YOU like.

klee2000 said:
Hi wanted to know what ICS is much better than the stock released ICS?? I tried jellybean but I cant stand the reboots!!! Any help would be appreciated thanks!:silly:
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You might wanna consider looking at padawan. Very fast ROM with the nature ux tw launcher.
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kimtyson said:
It's all a matter of opinion and personal preference. Everyone has a different answer, which is why it is kind of frowned upon to start this kind of a thread... again and again. Just go try some out until you find one that YOU like.
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I find it kind of ridiculous for you to say that, I'm just asking others opinion and at the end of the day it really makes no difference because I have to try it myself to decide if it suites me. I don't know about you but I don't have all day to try a bunch of cooked roms. So I ask peoples opinion so I narrow my search down then I will give the last few recommendation a try!

I'm quite partial to Flapps Rom release 12. with a 13 day uptime who can complain. Stable, smooth and good battery life. Well, until I started playing ingress
Though I am hesitant to mention Flapps ROM as it isn't on XDA anymore, but I'm sure if you google FlappJaxxx and a couple key words like FJ Mod Build #12 you can find it easy enough.

klee2000 said:
I find it kind of ridiculous for you to say that, I'm just asking others opinion and at the end of the day it really makes no difference because I have to try it myself to decide if it suites me. I don't know about you but I don't have all day to try a bunch of cooked roms. So I ask peoples opinion so I narrow my search down then I will give the last few recommendation a try!
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Forum Rule #1, http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=1494, is Search Before Posting. My sig contains a handy search link, or on the right side of your screen there is a search tool. Try using it.
If you "don't have all day" then why are you on XDA? Most of us have tried many ROMs. I am sure I have tried at least 15-20 different ROMs on my Note, many with multiple version updates. I have flashed my phone well over 50 times. And I have a job, a family, and a life. Your lack of time is of no interest to me.
If you actually would read some of the threads for ROMs rated 4 or 5 stars, you could easily tell if they are any good. Lots of opinions in those threads.
Funny that you admit yourself, "at the end of the day it really makes no difference because I have to try it myself to decide if it suites me". Waste of time thread that has been asked and answered many times. But you think I'm ridiculous.

I now think that the latest cm10.1 is better than 9. Much Snappier.

kimtyson said:
Forum Rule #1, http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=1494, is Search Before Posting. My sig contains a handy search link, or on the right side of your screen there is a search tool. Try using it.
If you "don't have all day" then why are you on XDA? Most of us have tried many ROMs. I am sure I have tried at least 15-20 different ROMs on my Note, many with multiple version updates. I have flashed my phone well over 50 times. And I have a job, a family, and a life. Your lack of time is of no interest to me.
If you actually would read some of the threads for ROMs rated 4 or 5 stars, you could easily tell if they are any good. Lots of opinions in those threads.
Funny that you admit yourself, "at the end of the day it really makes no difference because I have to try it myself to decide if it suites me". Waste of time thread that has been asked and answered many times. But you think I'm ridiculous.
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Number 1 I did not say that I haven't done any of my own searching, I clearly stated that I don't have all day to try each and every build. No.2, why are you wasting your time reading my post you clearly have no intention of helping, so why don't you keep it moving? I swear I think some of you guys forget what the forums for! I thought it was meant for members to assist one another. Well any ways, I was basically asking for members opinion, if you don't like it keep it moving! Couldn't care what dev made what to me their all great developers, I'm just asking reviewers what rom they had better luck with as stated before to "narrow my search!" FOR EVERYONE ELSE THANK YOU!! :good:

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I now think that the latest cm10.1 is better than 9. Much Snappier.
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You did get random reboots correct? because I tried it a while back and I would get 1 to 2 reboots per day!

If you want something closer to stock ICS experience, but with no bloat, I would recommend Padawan v5 or Nebula.
The beef with this type of post is that this exact question has been asked many many times in the past.
If you do not have time to look into every ICS rom out there, at the very least, search if someone else has asked this very question. You will find your answers in those threads, instead of posting a new thread. And I think that is what the rule "Search before posting" is asking you to do.

ddochi11 said:
If you want something closer to stock ICS experience, but with no bloat, I would recommend Padawan v5 or Nebula.
The beef with this type of post is that this exact question has been asked many many times in the past.
If you do not have time to look into every ICS rom out there, at the very least, search if someone else has asked this very question. You will find your answers in those threads, instead of posting a new thread. And I think that is what the rule "Search before posting" is asking you to do.
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+1 for you. Listen to this guy.
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klee2000 said:
<Snip> I swear I think some of you guys forget what the forums for! I thought it was meant for members to assist one another. Well any ways, I was basically asking for members opinion, if you don't like it keep it moving! <Snip>
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Wrong: This forum is for development and not to make a phone look cool with neat launchers, custom mods and tips/tricks. Only recently has this been around and to be honest, it is making this forum look more and more like AnyOtherForum.com. Nobody wants to learn anymore how to do this stuff (not you specifically). Most people don't even know what ROM stands for. Those are the people that are killing development on a daily basis.
Opinions are for elections, hair color and dinner plans. Sorry for the snark but my opinion is worth about $0 to most people as I am not the one flashing a ROM on someone's device. Now ask about how to get into the core functions of the OS and I will be all over that. But in the end, mine, yours or anyone else's opinion means squat when it comes to flashing ROMs.
Functionality is the key. What works and what doesn't. And those can most likely be found in the OP and probably the last 10 pages of any ROM thread. That is always what I suggest when these threads pop up. Read the OPs of about 4-6 ROMs, pick 1 or 2 top contenders, go to their last 10 pages for recent bugs and finally pick one and start reading. Shouldn't take that long to narrow it down.
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The beef with this type of post is that this exact question has been asked many many times in the past.
If you do not have time to look into every ICS rom out there, at the very least, search if someone else has asked this very question. You will find your answers in those threads, instead of posting a new thread. And I think that is what the rule "Search before posting" is asking you to do.
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Yes, I agree that I think that is what he meant when he typed out about Rule #1. No harm, no foal. Chances are though is that a search would have yielded another thread that was closed as well for the same reasons.
OP, you have been a member for 6 years now and know how this site was and how it is now. We are trying our best but you also have to realize that not all chip-sets are created equal. What works on one phone/tablet may not work on the exact same model. My wife and I had the same phone a few years ago with the same build date stamped inside and those two could not be any different from each other in terms of stability, chip functionality (mine could OC way higher than hers could) and other HW limitations. Software is software is software but if the hardware cannot handle what is being thrown at it, then it really doesn't matter what ROM is on there.
Sorry for the manifesto type post but there it is. Seems like you got some good suggestions though.
This thread is now closed.

For newcomers to this amazing community

First off, my apologies if a similar thread has already been posted. I have never seen one. I'm creating this thread to try to stress the importance of reading the OP's and entire threads of any ROM or MOD or any topics for that matter. Many questions that you may have, probably have already been answered within those threads. Redundant questions clog threads and hamper development discussion. Even if it may take a bit of time to read an entire thread, it will benefit everyone involved if you do. Our development community is incredibly rich with talent and skills and we, the users and flashers are most grateful to the developers for the time and knowledge they share with us. So please, keep threads clear by carefully reading instructions and trying to find any issues you may be having listed within the thread itself. Reading is beneficial, trust me. Again, if a similar thread has already been posted, I ask that the moderators remove this. I've just seen way too many questions posted repeatedly in all the threads I follow. After all, you will increase your own skill level by reading about all issues, even if you aren't currently experiencing it. Thanks to all who keep our devices updated and interesting.
EVOlved human

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[RANT]This user base. Aka the EVO LTE forums.
Why don't we start worrying about us and not them? They don't want to deal with XDA anymore ATM so just leave them be. Don't mention their names just pretend that this is a new device and we ourselves have to figure stuff out on our own. Got a question? SEARCH&READ, can't find it? Post a thread in Q&A. Mentioning them and talking about them isn't going to solve the cancer/problems you guys are. Not everyone is a problem just you guys make everything a problem. Try looking for your problem for a good 10 minutes on Google or XDA's Search Function. Not that hard people. I believe this is XDA-DEVELOPERS not the discuss about off topic things and what not. You got something useful post it here. If not don't post at all or if the thread have a Q&A post it there. If you got a question...again READ&SEARCH and don't ask it in here. If any ROM thread has a Q&A post it there. I think their problem with you guys is that most of us are just users and don't contribute anything and act like we care what's going on all you guys do is ask questions without even researching. Don't PM for your problems search it up or PM someone who isn't a Dev. For example say Corporal_modernback (lol example here) is the dev of the Rom you're using. DON'T PM THEM FOR LITTLE QUESTIONS LIKE "HEY HOW DO YOU FIX THIS TOGGLE OR HOW DO YOU GET YOUR PHONE TO DO TRIANGLES" PM THEM if you got a useful thing that they might need. If not them ask someone like me. I'm tired of seeing all this goodbye bull****. No offense to Captain and Sin but this is getting out of the line and YOU GUYS (THE PUBLIC/THE USERS) SHOULD START DOING S*** AND STOP BEING SPOILED PANSIES AND STOP EXPECTING **** TO BE DONE FOR YOU.
Thing is the devs here have lives. They're not robots on the computer that make these cool roms just for you.
Just my two cents. Feelings are welcomed.

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atheistevofreak said:
I agree and I posted a similar thread, a little less assertive, a week ago.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2657328
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So you're saying he should have searched before posting?
I kid. I kid.
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dsEVOlve said:
So you're saying he should have searched before posting?
I kid. I kid.
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I must admit, I LOL'd.
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atheistevofreak said:
I must admit, I LOL'd.
EVOlved human
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dsEVOlve said:
So you're saying he should have searched before posting?
I kid. I kid.
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Hahaha I thought that too. But I'm not looking for a thread.
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I'd like to think I'm not too much of a noob since I'm not "scared" of technology & modifying things I "shouldn't be touching". I can't count how many times I tried to dual-boot Windows and Linux, and completely scrap the former for the latter (fun times)...........................but I'm still trying to figure out what's the point of flashing a kernel
But even being a noob to cell phones and rooting/flashing them, XDA is laid out well enough for someone that can at least understand new technological things quickly to be able to know what's going on with their phone and what they can/can't do and should/shouldn't do to it to achieve what they want.

akaTRAP said:
I'd like to think I'm not too much of a noob since I'm not "scared" of technology & modifying things I "shouldn't be touching". I can't count how many times I tried to dual-boot Windows and Linux, and completely scrap the former for the latter (fun times)...........................but I'm still trying to figure out what's the point of flashing a kernel
But even being a noob to cell phones and rooting/flashing them, XDA is laid out well enough for someone that can at least understand new technological things quickly to be able to know what's going on with their phone and what they can/can't do and should/shouldn't do to it to achieve what they want.
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A custom kernel will unleash extra features for your device. First thing I flash is a custom kernel
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n some cases the documentation is very wild and very on-the-go. Documentation is built over time and usually doesn't start off very well and can put-off certain users. Though that's not the problem.
What users need to understand that these development ROMs are not what you'd call a real release build. You're essentially testing everything that comes out... and that means it will have bugs. These ROMs, until "stable," are not plug and play type solutions. You are there to work with it and fix things. It always happens.
Change these user's mindset because that is the root cause. They think they're getting something that will be 100% what they want. It's not.

thicklizard said:
A custom kernel will unleash extra features for your device. First thing I flash is a custom kernel
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Honestly, unless it greatly improves battery life, I'm not exactly concerned with the other benefits lol. I'm not necessarily needing an overclocked CPU.
However if a kernel makes a 4.4.x ROM more stable, then please let me know so I can flash one immediately

akaTRAP said:
Honestly, unless it greatly improves battery life, I'm not exactly concerned with the other benefits lol. I'm not necessarily needing an overclocked CPU.
However if a kernel makes a 4.4.x ROM more stable, then please let me know so I can flash one immediately
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You're totally preaching to the wrong choir.
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akaTRAP said:
Honestly, unless it greatly improves battery life, I'm not exactly concerned with the other benefits lol. I'm not necessarily needing an overclocked CPU.
However if a kernel makes a 4.4.x ROM more stable, then please let me know so I can flash one immediately
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I'm not sure that you even understand why the kernels improve battery life. Custom kernels have much much more to bring to the table that simple overclocking, which is also something that most people do not do anymore since we don't have many single core decides these days.
Most kernels focus first on increasing performance. But by getting good performance, you get optimization from the processors, which results in better battery life (Intellidemand governor, anyone?).
If you want to greatly improve battery life, underclock your phone. You don't need a custom kernel to do that. But your phone will certainly suffer the speed differential that ours with custom kernels will not.

aarsyl said:
I'm not sure that you even understand why the kernels improve battery life. Custom kernels have much much more to bring to the table that simple overclocking, which is also something that most people do not do anymore since we don't have many single core decides these days.
Most kernels focus first on increasing performance. But by getting good performance, you get optimization from the processors, which results in better battery life (Intellidemand governor, anyone?).
If you want to greatly improve battery life, underclock your phone. You don't need a custom kernel to do that. But your phone will certainly suffer the speed differential that ours with custom kernels will not.
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Agreed too many people think all a custom kernel does is oc the the cpu. They don't understand the features they provide. S2w, USB fast charge, better cpu governors(better battery life), better io schedulers, build optimizations, etc...
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Ok, back on topic for a sec...
I have been holding my tongue and just sitting back watching all of the shenanigans that have been going down between Dev's and Noobs both. Honestly, I'm going to say that both parties are to blame in some fashion. (More on that in a second...)
As you can see my post count is not very high here. I have lurked...and read...and learned...and flashed...and broke things...read some more...and fixed even more things. With everything I have learned from this "amazing" community, I have been able to make my EVOLTE do some really truly amazing things. Some people have gone out of their way to help and make sure that the XDA-experience is a good one. Some, on the other hand have not... That happens with every forum in existance. There will be jerks, trolls, noobs, fools, and people who just wont use the search function, RTFM, etc.
There are "other" forums available that have a lot of info about Android development, none IMHO that happen to be as organized and concise as XDA. The down-side is that XDA has gotten a reputation for being full of pretentious as$holes. We've all heard it at least once... "XDA sucks, no one helps anyone, they hate noobs, etc." I digress...
My experience has been lukewarm at best. I, for one, know that I know almost nothing about dev'ing. I would love to learn more but between age, having a family, work (2 jobs BTW), I probably won't be able to just "RTFM" for dev'ing. Another thing that most don't care to think about is that maybe some of us that are uninitiated WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE. But AFAIK there are no threads specifically for EDUCATING us that want to learn more about how these devices work. (I'd love to see some)
Now, I may cut a bit deep here but here goes... This topic probably has been brought up due to the questions popping up all over the Sense5.5 dev thread. I think I may know why since I watched it unravel. When the thread was created, there was of course the standard disclaimer, (Broke it? Your fault, not mine) the download link, and the normal reserved posts for extra documentation.
Aside from that, the Q & A that is now posted, was copied from another thread AFTER I was shamed by @Sinistertensai for simply asking a question that WAS NOT posted in the thread YET!
Thankfully @FinZ28 and others created a thread just for Q/A. A thread I have yet to post in because I get all of my questions usually answer by searching threads. (That would also explain my tiny post count...)
In closing, I just want to say I know the Dev's are busy! @chubbzlou @Captain_Throwback @Sinistertensai @FinZ28 This hard work is not unappreciated in any way guys and THANK YOU!
I would love to learn more about how you all work your magic on these phones. I just don't want to get treated like a prick for asking a dumb question. The dumbest questions are the one's that are never asked.
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Mike Boogie said:
Ok, back on topic for a sec...
I have been holding my tongue and just sitting back watching all of the shenanigans that have been going down between Dev's and Noobs both. Honestly, I'm going to say that both parties are to blame in some fashion. (More on that in a second...)
As you can see my post count is not very high here. I have lurked...and read...and learned...and flashed...and broke things...read some more...and fixed even more things. With everything I have learned from this "amazing" community, I have been able to make my EVOLTE do some really truly amazing things. Some people have gone out of their way to help and make sure that the XDA-experience is a good one. Some, on the other hand have not... That happens with every forum in existance. There will be jerks, trolls, noobs, fools, and people who just wont use the search function, RTFM, etc.
There are "other" forums available that have a lot of info about Android development, none IMHO that happen to be as organized and concise as XDA. The down-side is that XDA has gotten a reputation for being full of pretentious as$holes. We've all heard it at least once... "XDA sucks, no one helps anyone, they hate noobs, etc." I digress...
My experience has been lukewarm at best. I, for one, know that I know almost nothing about dev'ing. I would love to learn more but between age, having a family, work (2 jobs BTW), I probably won't be able to just "RTFM" for dev'ing. Another thing that most don't care to think about is that maybe some of us that are uninitiated WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE. But AFAIK there are no threads specifically for EDUCATING us that want to learn more about how these devices work. (I'd love to see some)
Now, I may cut a bit deep here but here goes... This topic probably has been brought up due to the questions popping up all over the Sense5.5 dev thread. I think I may know why since I watched it unravel. When the thread was created, there was of course the standard disclaimer, (Broke it? Your fault, not mine) the download link, and the normal reserved posts for extra documentation.
Aside from that, the Q & A that is now posted, was copied from another thread AFTER I was shamed by @Sinistertensai for simply asking a question that WAS NOT posted in the thread YET!
Thankfully @FinZ28 and others created a thread just for Q/A. A thread I have yet to post in because I get all of my questions usually answer by searching threads. (That would also explain my tiny post count...)
In closing, I just want to say I know the Dev's are busy! @chubbzlou @Captain_Throwback @Sinistertensai @FinZ28 This hard work is not unappreciated in any way guys and THANK YOU!
I would love to learn more about how you all work your magic on these phones. I just don't want to get treated like a prick for asking a dumb question. The dumbest questions are the one's that are never asked.
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Very well said. Kudos.
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Mike Boogie said:
. Another thing that most don't care to think about is that maybe some of us that are uninitiated WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE. But AFAIK there are no threads specifically for EDUCATING us that want to learn more about how these devices work. (I'd love to see some)
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There are numerous threads in the xda general section and also if you use Google many times it will point you to a different device forum on xda that will have a "how to" thread that had nothing to do with that specific device. There is more info out there than you could possibly read.
It's just not all in this devices forum. Which it doesn't need to be.
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chubbzlou said:
If you are willing to learn and have sometime pm with any question you like.
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I certainly will, whenever that time arrives.
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Mike Boogie said:
We've all heard it at least once... "XDA sucks, no one helps anyone, they hate noobs, etc." I digress...
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As with anything in life, we remember the bad much longer then we do the good. With a bazillion members, we are bound to have a few that know how to invoke bad reactions
Another thing that most don't care to think about is that maybe some of us that are uninitiated WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE. But AFAIK there are no threads specifically for EDUCATING us that want to learn more about how these devices work. (I'd love to see some)
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XDA University
Now, I may cut a bit deep here but here goes... This topic probably has been brought up due to the questions popping up all over the Sense5.5 dev thread. I think I may know why since I watched it unravel. When the thread was created, there was of course the standard disclaimer, (Broke it? Your fault, not mine) the download link, and the normal reserved posts for extra documentation.
Aside from that, the Q & A that is now posted, was copied from another thread AFTER I was shamed by @Sinistertensai for simply asking a question that WAS NOT posted in the thread YET!
Thankfully @FinZ28 and others created a thread just for Q/A. A thread I have yet to post in because I get all of my questions usually answer by searching threads. (That would also explain my tiny post count...)
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We mods are always here. While we may not answer in a timely fashion, suitable for some, we too are only human and get to peoples reports ASAP. Please always use the report button when you feel the ground comming out from beneath you. @FinZ28 is one of XDAs shinning examples of a Recognized Contributor. he gained his stripes by helping. Without the RC group, there would be much more chaos then what you have encountered.
I would love to learn more about how you all work your magic on these phones. I just don't want to get treated like a prick for asking a dumb question. The dumbest questions are the one's that are never asked.
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I'm sorry you feel this way. It's a rarity of Devs (now a day) to determine the capability of any user.
Now consider the average 10 - 15y/o that comes in and demands attention (this of course never happens) and the end run is, had they read the slightest, they would have found an answer. Sadly today, this is the norm on XDA! That is what our Developers deal with.
While some Devs can be harsh or down right immature, we are here to try and keep the peace between the fractions.
And let me end with these parting words... Do not take offense to this, but see the humor XDA back in the 4 million member realm

Widgets?

Is it possible to “root" my Kindle, and load on Android?
Don't need to have two OS's. Just want the pure Andriod experience + widgets.

bookbuster said:
Is it possible to “root" my Kindle, and load on Android?
Don't need to have two OS's. Just want the pure Andriod experience + widgets.
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In the future please be more descriptive in your titles.
Anyway... If you are updated to the latest firmware, the short answer is no. Sorry dude, amazon has this locked down like Fred Phelp's butthole at a drag show.
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tokenpoke said:
In the future please be more descriptive in your titles.
Anyway... If you are updated to the latest firmware, the short answer is no. Sorry dude, amazon has this locked down like Fred Phelp's butthole at a drag show.
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Uhhh. I actually watched it update, and a part of me thought. “oh no."
Well. What is the best browser on kindle OS then?

That is a matter of opinion. I actually don't use my kindle anymore, having gotten annoyed with it way too many times and haven't tried any alternative browsers but if you can get chrome or dolphin on there they are both much better than silk in my personal opinion.
I'm guessing you're a new user so I'm gonna give you a couple friendly tips about xda
1. Don't ask for ETA's, that means don't ask "when/will there be an update for *anything*" the devs do all their work in their free time and don't exactly get paid for the numerous hours spent making ROMs/mods, cracking security, gaining root access.
2. Matters of opinion are not generally acceptable posts or questions because "what is the best..." Is based on personal preference and the threads quickly deteriorate into a pissing contest
3. As stated, be more specific when making threads
4. Before asking a question browse the forum and use the search function. Not only does it prevent multiple threads on the same topic but you often find your answer faster that way.
Welcome to the forum! Good luck not using the kindle to kill yourself in frustration, lol.
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No. Locked bootloader means no true ROMs at the moment, only "mods" that adds to the factory ROM.
CJuspast (sorry about spelling) had a pure ROM based partially on a Nexus ROM. It doesn't work that well.
Given that a "modded" ROM works quite well (I have both Amazon *and* Google play working together) taking one other doesn't really make it run any better.

Better Mobile App

welcome