I wanted to make a thread about the Nexus 10 that will collect all the reviews, previews and comparison articles and videos . I also want to do a good job at keeping the OP up to date. I will need everyone's help at making this thread work. Please follow my format and I will share your post in the OP. Also, tell me which section it belongs in.
REVIEWS:
Engadget: http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-10-review/
AnandTech (Performance Review): http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review/2
Slashgear: http://www.slashgear.com/nexus-10-review-02255341/
CNET: http://reviews.cnet.com/google-nexus-10/
Ubergizmo: http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/11/google-nexus-10-review/
Wired: http://www.wired.com/reviews/2012/11...-nexus-10/all/
Extreme Tech:http://www.extremetech.com/computin...ometimes-its-possible-to-have-too-many-pixels
Mashable: http://mashable.com/2012/11/04/nexus-10-review/
Laptop Magazine: http://www.laptopmag.com/review/tabl...-nexus-10.aspx
Gizmodo: http://gizmodo.com/5956304/google-nexus-10-review-its-pretty-pretty?tag=Nexus-10
Techlive: http://www.techhive.com/article/201...android-tablet-weve-always-wanted-almost.html
Android Police:androidpolice.com/2012/11/08/nexus-10-review-good-because-pixels-and-other-reasons/
CNET UK:http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/ipad-and-t...view-50009632/
Android Central:http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-nexus-10-review
PC Magazine:http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2411961,00.asp
Engadget (New multi-user support and lockscreen widgets): http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/12/nexus-4-and-nexus-10-android-4-2-final-update-adds-lock-screen-w
HANDS-ON:
Engadget: http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/29/nexus-10-hands-on-video/
Computer World: http://blogs.computerworld.com/tablets/21251/google-nexus-10-hands-on-impressions
Wired: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/10/nexus-10-hands-on-google-samsung/
The Verge: http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3568784/nexus-10-preview-price-release-date
Android Community: http://androidcommunity.com/google-nexus-10-hands-on-and-first-impressions-20121030/
Slash Gear: http://www.slashgear.com/google-nexus-10-hands-on-30254838/
Pocket Lint: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/48282/samsung-nexus-10-pictures-hands-on
CNET:http://reviews.cnet.com/google-nexus-10/
Android Police:http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...-to-the-new-benchmark-for-10-android-tablets/
VIDEOS:
Engadget: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtOhvdI1R4
Slashgear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKP101APKhc
The Verge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66-4uMQqerA
Veraash:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKcsC7BiemI
Engadget Review:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCA4UIdmztI
The Verge review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZl0Fuy54iQ
Techradar:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knQlOkN8uXE
Android Central: (multi-user):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hk22jx4Y1k
Good collection, thx, if I see some new ones I'll post'em.
goog job :fingers-crossed: thank!
Awesome, thanks.
Great! Cant wait to see the Reviews
Review of N4 and N10 are out on Engadget, and we know Google is very good at making us disapointed at benchmark and battery life,
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-10-review/
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-4-review/
When I saw N4 is noticeably worse than Optimus G, I hope 4.1 version of these device will be release soon.
Slashgear review: http://www.slashgear.com/nexus-10-review-02255341/
CNET: http://reviews.cnet.com/google-nexus-10/
Ubergizmo: http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/11/google-nexus-10-review/
Wired: http://www.wired.com/reviews/2012/11/google-nexus-10/all/
That Engadget review has me a bit on the fence. I'd been leaning strongly toward the TF700 and was set to buy when the Nexus 10 was announced. I was convinced that the N10 was the way to go after reading the first impressions, but seeing how underwhelmed the reviewer was (plus the mediocre battery life) has me again thinking Asus. Guess I'll wait for the next few reviews before making a decision.
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That Engadget review has me a bit on the fence. I'd been leaning strongly toward the TF700 and was set to buy when the Nexus 10 was announced. I was convinced that the N10 was the way to go after reading the first impressions, but seeing how underwhelmed the reviewer was (plus the mediocre battery life) has me again thinking Asus. Guess I'll wait for the next few reviews before making a decision.
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I want to see a comparison of the I/O benchmarks. The terrible I/O of the Transformer series made me shy away from that, especially when the N10 was announced.
CNet points out that they tested a presale version, and most likely all of them did, as release is a couple of weeks away. That could put performance and battery issues in perspective, so maybe rather than these Nexus devices being rushed, the test models are rushed by Google, let me see how the Nexus 10 performs out of the box.
All reviews are on pre-release version. Engadget/Verge/CNET everything is running pre-release software. There will be a software update on 13th.
Also, the Chrome was just updated to support N4 and N10 yesterday.
http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.in/2012/11/chrome-for-android-update.html
The benchmarks are totally whacked now for both N4 and N10. They are much poor compared to even some older SoC. I am sure there will be some significant update on the way.
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CNet points out that they tested a presale version, and most likely all of them did, as release is a couple of weeks away. That could put performance and battery issues in perspective, so maybe rather than these Nexus devices being rushed, the test models are rushed by Google, let me see how the Nexus 10 performs out of the box.
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I saw that after I made my post - and had the same reaction as did you. Regardless, I've waited this long to formally jump into the tablet market, a couple more weeks won't kill me.
Buck1969 said:
That Engadget review has me a bit on the fence. I'd been leaning strongly toward the TF700 and was set to buy when the Nexus 10 was announced. I was convinced that the N10 was the way to go after reading the first impressions, but seeing how underwhelmed the reviewer was (plus the mediocre battery life) has me again thinking Asus. Guess I'll wait for the next few reviews before making a decision.
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Let me put things into perspective for you. The GPU of the nexus 10 is 2-4x as powerful as the one in the tf700.
The CPU is comparable.
Buck1969 said:
I saw that after I made my post - and had the same reaction as did you. Regardless, I've waited this long to formally jump into the tablet market, a couple more weeks won't kill me.
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Exactly. The new Chromebook wipes the floor with competition using the same HW, so either Sammy and Google optimizes the Nexus 10 for the official release (SW upgrade coming before that) or in the upcoming weeks, one way or another, the beast is going to be released.
Another one..
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/11/02/initial-impressions-of-the-nexus-10-say-hello-to-the-new-benchmark-for-10-android-tablets/
N10 (p)reviews are mixed. One universal criticism is few tab apps, which I suppose is easier to overlook for a 7" than a 10". CNet pointed out the slow charging, slow enough that N10 *discharges* while playing a game (that's pretty bad). It also pointed out that a magnetic pogo charger is supposed to be coming.
The super-hi-res screen is probably not getting the buzz Goog wants for it. Most reviews say it's "as good as" iPad's Retina. IMO anything higher than 1080p on a 10" is getting diminishing returns, and the 2560x1600 res arguably make things worse, since it takes more battery and CPU/GPU power to push all those pix around.
Exynos5 benchmarks are also mixed. Being the first Cortex-A15, it's not a clear performance leader that one would've been led to believe.
Some 4.2 features weren't reviewed, since it's not final. No multi user accts, Miracast.
Unlike the N4 and N7, N10's $399 starting price is typical for 10" and isn't an attention grabber.
IMO, Goog would've been better served by not going with bleeding-edge SoC and display, but something more modest, like 1080p and quad-Snapdragon, and keeping the price down to $300-350, like what Amazon is doing with the KFHD 8.9. That would've helped pushed more sales. As they stand in the reviews, the 2560 screen is a wash, as is the SoC.
Anyway, N10 is a good start. Hopefully, it'll help build out the eco and push the platform forward.
I wouldn't worry to much about the benchies - pretty sure we'll see better performance on release, looks like there is untapped potential in both the N10 and the N4, looking at these reviews.
Real measure for me is I/O performance, else I may still get a TF700.
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I wouldn't worry to much about the benchies - pretty sure we'll see better performance on release, looks like there is untapped potential in both the N10 and the N4, looking at these reviews.
Real measure for me is I/O performance, else I may still get a TF700.
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Well the TF700 I/O benches are abysmal, I doubt the N10 could be worse
What worries me in the reviews are reports that the charger is way underpowered. It takes forever to charge, and the AC charge isn't powerful enough to charge the tablet while gaming or watching video. That's a bummer. I'm getting over the tacky looking bezel, but if takes all night to charge and still discharges while plugged in, its a big fail on Samsung/Google.
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The charging thing is a pretty big issue.Shorter battery life is one thing but slow or no charging makes it much worse.I don't take much stock in early benchmark reviews on a pre-release unit but charging is a hardware problem that sounds like can only be fixed by buying optional pogo chargers.If they are as slow to come out with accessories with the 10 as they have with the N7 you might not even be able to get a charger for it.That would/could be a deal breaker.
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Have read so many negative comments just want to know if this is the best out or what. It has better spec than any other tablet but all I'm reading are complaints. Mine won't arrive til Wednesday and I haven't planned on buying the dock just picked up that black sleeve that reminds me of origami.
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cjbailey75 said:
Have read so many negative comments just want to know if this is the best out or what. It has better spec than any other tablet but all I'm reading are complaints. Mine won't arrive til Wednesday and I haven't planned on buying the dock just picked up that black sleeve that reminds me of origami.
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Yes, it is the best 10.1" Wi-Fi Android tablet out there. The raging debate you're reading is about how long it will stay that way.
You will always hear negative things about any tablet when they first come out. That should be expected nowadays.
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**MODS please close this thread.
Sorry, but really? there are many MANY threads discussing the viability of this topic.
"Best" is a relative concept. seriously. why clutter up the already exploding forum with truly useless threads?
cjbailey75 said:
Have read so many negative comments just want to know if this is the best out or what. It has better spec than any other tablet but all I'm reading are complaints. Mine won't arrive til Wednesday and I haven't planned on buying the dock just picked up that black sleeve that reminds me of origami.
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Yes this is the best out for Android right now and probably stay that way for at least next 4 months or so. The negative comments are just the more vocal ones. More are completely satisfied with device. Like me, and others with none or very minor issues. I'm very satisfied with My prime. Best tablet I ever had and I came from an iPad. Which I loved also but the prime just blows away the Competition at the moment. As with any device, there will be initial issues that are real and effect some users. You have to remember they are the minority. Check out the positive prime thread and you will see how easily this device lived up to the hype and more.
I haven't been able to set the prime down since I got it
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I haven't been able to set the prime down since I got it
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I'm hoping to have mine tomorrow, and I'll probably be the same way with my wife yelling at me to put it down lol.
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I'm hoping to have mine tomorrow, and I'll probably be the same way with my wife yelling at me to put it down lol.
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I know what you mean..lol at least I prepared my Ipad got my woman to use. Signing off Facebook apps n such and deactivating my email accounts on there so she can add her info. I'll always still have access to it and have certain places in there locked down. So she can't go snooping in places she shouldn't be at...lmfao I still have to transfer websites/bookmarks, resume, etc.. To my prime though. My jail broken iPad is a great device but I have moved on to bigger and better, The Prime.
Thread should be moved to questions or closed. Best or not is subjective and a waste of time especially when OP has stated it has the best specs.
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I haven't been able to set the prime down since I got it
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Glad to see I'm not the only one...I was beginning to wonder if this was normal.
kavuday said:
Glad to see I'm not the only one...I was beginning to wonder if this was normal.
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Yes, it is the best Android tablet out right now.
Naturally, the best products out there receive the most scrutiny, so that's why you're reading so many "negative" things about the Prime right now. That's a byproduct of being one of the best products out there.
And as said already, the comments aren't about if the Prime is the best but rather about how long it will be the best. My personal view is that the Prime is an in-between device that is between the 1st gen Android tabs and the wave of 2nd gen tabs coming out in 2012, but I invite you to do your own research on the Prime and on upcoming tablets and to make your own decision on where the Prime stands.
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Yes, it is the best Android tablet out right now.
Naturally, the best products out there receive the most scrutiny, so that's why you're reading so many "negative" things about the Prime right now. That's a byproduct of being one of the best products out there.
And as said already, the comments aren't about if the Prime is the best but rather about how long it will be the best. My personal view is that the Prime is an in-between device that is between the 1st gen Android tabs and the wave of 2nd gen tabs coming out in 2012, but I invite you to do your own research on the Prime and on upcoming tablets and to make your own decision on where the Prime stands.
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I ran out of thanks. Very well put.
If there's one thing I'm going to take with me when I die, it's that this world is composed of 99% whiners.
To this day, I still see people whine about the stupidest things about the TF101. Some examples are a few people whining about being able to see the capacitive sensor grid under certain lighting at a certain angle. I've seen some people whine about the TF101 not feeling like a laptop. In fact, I think that's the #1 complaint I've seen about the TF101. People bought it thinking they can use it like a laptop.
I've seen people whine about the background moving slightly when you scroll from screen to screen.
I have the acer iconia, and so I've seen people whine about ridiculous things about that as well. Everything from the metalic back is cold to the touch to the sensor grid being visible under certain light at certain angle to it doesn't feel like a laptop.
Why is it that the prevalent whine for any tablet is that it doesn't feel like a laptop? Why the hell do people buy the tablet with the intention to use it like a laptop? Is there some kind of mental block involved here?
This is not to say that I see every complaint as a whine. In fact, I think there are many legit complaints about design flaws, software bugs, etc. You just have to filter out all the whines to see the real legit and constructive criticisms.
The point is don't just blindly look at the negative reviews. Actually read those negative reviews and try to weed out all the whines.
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Here's an example.
http://www.amazon.com/Transformer-T...?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar
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Some examples are a few people whining about being able to see the capacitive sensor grid under certain lighting at a certain angle.
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I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I love that.... I can tilt it different ways and see cool different patterns. It's fun to look at...
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I'm not on anything, I swear!
The Prime is the best tablet with the best Tablet-OS right now.
This could or will change in a few months, but this is normal in these days.
Sorry to say but I am not impressed with this tablet. I want to be, but it is just not happening. I just posted an initial review where you can read the details but to summarize:
- Hard to hold, very slippery
- Horrible keyboards
- SLOW web browser
- Short Battery Life
- No real noticable difference performance improvemant compared to my Toshiba Thrive
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Sorry to say but I am not impressed with this tablet. I want to be, but it is just not happening. I just posted an initial review where you can read the details but to summarize:
- Hard to hold, very slippery
- Horrible keyboards...as compared to what? Not sure if you've heard about Andorid market, but the legends tells of many keyboard alternatives it posses.
- SLOW web browser...as compared to what? An iPad (yes it's not iOS)? or your Thrive? Again see above comment.
- Short Battery Life...you've had it for at best a week, the battery is nowhere near broken in.
- No real noticeable difference performance improvement compared to my Toshiba Thrive....Curious, what do you use your tablet for to measure this "performance"? Your email reading isn't going to get any faster with the T3...
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See the above edited quote. It seems you do not perceive the device to meet your expectations...easy solution, return the prime and keep using your Thrive as it is obviously a better solution for you.
My big issue with Prime is that it has gotten lukewarm reviews since release, especially by its users. While people were criticizing my fears and predictions a month ago, reality is that Prime is not as big a step forward as hoped, neither in software nor in hardware.
Hardware seems to be flawed with weak WiFi and the chance of getting a device with some sort of hardware flaw, including light bleeds, weak GPS, dead pixels, weak and unresponsive touch screen, screen that is dusty from behind the glass, or a device that just does not turn on, is higher than that of an average new product. Especially when compared to Apple's releases, which - while not flawless - hasn't made me fearful for the products quality that I am buying. I love Android so much more as a software, despite its weaknesses, simply because the ecosystem and much better openness compared to Apple are worth it for me. It pains me to see a device that has flawed and untested hardware.
Second issue is software. Quad-core does not improve anything much and ICS will not improve things other than (hopefully) the browser. Prime has very little RAM, which I think would be much better for an Android device than quad-core. Prime would be a better device with higher-clocked dual-core processor and 2GB of RAM. And you have to remember that the snappiness of software is highly dependent on hardware too, a recent Finnish review pointed out that the touchscreen is simply weak and not as responsive as it should be, making the software seem slow. This too won't be fixed by ICS.
And let's not forget the issue that I raised very early on about the Prime: battery life. Now that users actually have the device, it has become clear that battery life on Transformer Prime sucks. Everybody was up with pitchforks when I made those early predictions, but those were true predictions. Users report 6-7 hours of battery life in actual use, which is far from 10+ hours. Even with fresh battery this is very little. This means that I could not use Prime as the main device for lectures and web browsing while at University.
I will still be buying it and hoping that I won't get a flawed device, since I'm ordering it internationally and returns are a pain. At least it should be better than the original Transformer. But main reason for my purchase is the keyboard dock. If I did not want the keyboard dock, I would not purchase Transformer Prime.
That makes 3 of us. My wife has gotten mad at me a few times... Lol
I love it, but I am itching for some ICS.
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Hey Everyone,
I have been pretty much decided on purchasing a Nexus 10 as my first entry in to the Tablet market. I planned on selling my Macbook and attempting to live with just a tablet, as to be honest, there isn't much I do on my Macbook nowadays that I could not achieve on a tablet. I wanted to wait until I could play with a Nexus 10 in a store prior to making a purchase just in case though. Obviously this will have to wait a little longer.
In the mean time, my brother just arrived for a visit from Australia and he has the Asus Transformer TF201. I had a play with this last night and have to say, I am very impressed. It has such a solid feel, looks premium and the keyboard dock which has extra battery and all the ports needed is quite fantastic. I hadn't seen one before and wondered what he was doing when he took the screen off what I thought was a small netbook! After having a play, I did some research and see the TF700 has a rather nice HD screen, a little more power and comes in the same lovely package. The only problem is, I can't see it available in the UK anywhere and from all my research, it seems it was due out a while back. It seems to be available at some places in Europe, for example you can get a French one, which would have a French keyboard, which I'm not too interested in. Otherwise, you can get from America on Ebay for around 420 pounds including delivery.
Has anyone got this TF700 and if so, what are your thoughts? How do you compare to the Nexus 10? Did you give up the TF700 for the Nexus 10? Or will you be staying put? It's small package and keyboard make it quite an ideal laptop replacement. I don't think it's quite as powerful as the Nexus 10 though.
I hope I posted this in the right place, if not, please tell me and I'll amend.
Cheers,
Mike
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Hey Everyone,
I have been pretty much decided on purchasing a Nexus 10 as my first entry in to the Tablet market. I planned on selling my Macbook and attempting to live with just a tablet, as to be honest, there isn't much I do on my Macbook nowadays that I could not achieve on a tablet. I wanted to wait until I could play with a Nexus 10 in a store prior to making a purchase just in case though. Obviously this will have to wait a little longer.
In the mean time, my brother just arrived for a visit from Australia and he has the Asus Transformer TF201. I had a play with this last night and have to say, I am very impressed. It has such a solid feel, looks premium and the keyboard dock which has extra battery and all the ports needed is quite fantastic. I hadn't seen one before and wondered what he was doing when he took the screen off what I thought was a small netbook! After having a play, I did some research and see the TF700 has a rather nice HD screen, a little more power and comes in the same lovely package. The only problem is, I can't see it available in the UK anywhere and from all my research, it seems it was due out a while back. It seems to be available at some places in Europe, for example you can get a French one, which would have a French keyboard, which I'm not too interested in. Otherwise, you can get from America on Ebay for around 420 pounds including delivery.
Has anyone got this TF700 and if so, what are your thoughts? How do you compare to the Nexus 10? Did you give up the TF700 for the Nexus 10? Or will you be staying put? It's small package and keyboard make it quite an ideal laptop replacement. I don't think it's quite as powerful as the Nexus 10 though.
I hope I posted this in the right place, if not, please tell me and I'll amend.
Cheers,
Mike
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Mike,
I've had both the Prime and the Infinity. Prime was plagued with light bleed issues and bad wifi reception so Asus traded mine for the TF700. It was nearly perfect for one dumb but vital mistake, the eMMc on which Asus decided to save some money (that is, they put a very poor and cheap one in it). Because of that, the devices lags in the browser and starts lagging when you have multiple apps open. By lag I don't mean it takes micro secs longer. The device would just lock up for a few seconds before continuing (slowly) and does that a few times.. There is a work-a-round which improves performance a bit called CleanROM. However, for that you have to unlock your device which you have to do via the Asus website and voids all your warranty. So I sold the Infinity to get the N10 as I was sick of it. I hope the N10 is better.
Hope this helps a bit...
The cheap emmc on all Asus tablets is a deal breaker. Untill they fix that I wouldn't recomend any asus tablet.
I am not confident about Transformer's storage performance. Check this simple video about boot speed. Obviously SoC plays a part, but I believe that the NAND also plays a vital role.
Just found some numbers. Check the Infinity numbers about Androbench storage test:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/6
Compare this against N10:
http://cdn.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/nexusae0_Screenshot_2012-11-07-12-09-06.png
Important are first 4 numbers (Sequential read/write and random read/write).
Seeing 2 votes for the Asus, any reasons why guys? Input would be greatly appreciated! Cheers.
I have both in my posession right now.
The infinity like others have said is almost a perfect tablet. It has everything. However the device is SLOW. As others have stated Asus cheaper out on the memory and using the device is a chore.
I will be keeping my nexus and returning my 700. The nexus is amazingly smooth, less light bleed than my Asus.
The only downfall is no micro SD on the nexus vs the Asus.
Edit: there are votes for the nexus, not the Asus. Everyone so far has been pro nexus
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Same here,nice display on tf700 but using it is a chore
As soon as my order is marked as shipped im putting it on ebay/craigslist
duarian said:
I have both in my posession right now.
The infinity like others have said is almost a perfect tablet. It has everything. However the device is SLOW. As others have stated Asus cheaper out on the memory and using the device is a chore.
I will be keeping my nexus and returning my 700. The nexus is amazingly smooth, less light bleed than my Asus.
The only downfall is no micro SD on the nexus vs the Asus.
Edit: there are votes for the nexus, not the Asus. Everyone so far has been pro nexus
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When you say slow, do you mean in all operations? Or anything specific? I used the TF201 last night for a few hours of web browsing and general stuff and that seemed to be pretty good. It was running Jellybean too. Surely the TF700 must be a step up from this in performance which couldn't be that bad?
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When you say slow, do you mean in all operations? Or anything specific? I used the TF201 last night for a few hours of web browsing and general stuff and that seemed to be pretty good. It was running Jellybean too. Surely the TF700 must be a step up from this in performance which couldn't be that bad?
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There's nothing wrong with the tf700. It appeals to a lot of people that offers a lot of options. I owned a tf700 and enjoyed it for the 30 days AI had it. It was fast and JB was a nice welcome. I had rooted it and stayed locked and stocked. Only tweaks were installing Browser2ram for faster stock browser experience. Its true IO is an issue if you choose to stay locked. Available ram will dip close to 350 to 400mb available from its 1gig. Sometime as low as 100mb left due to having several widgets and or playing a high intensive game. So multitasking can be a challenge at times. If you unlock and install a custom rom like Cleanrom, you won't have any IO issues. It is definitely a step up from the Prime, I also owned that for 6months before I switched to the Infinity. Just returned my Note10.1 for the N10! Can't wait to get my hands on it!
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Wasn't intending to put the Asus down. It is a great tablet. The only thing that holds it back is the slow internal memory. To really bring out the full potential you have to unlock it (which voids the warranty sending your serial number to Asus). Install cleanrom and a kernel, and some have gone as far as buying a class 10 64gb micro SD and moving the data partition to that negating the internal memory.
I would keep my Asus if the internal wasn't so slow. Browsing Netflix, the market was just tedious. Installing apps took forever. I would much rather do things on. My phone than the Asus. Its a shame because that's the only flaw I found with the tablet.
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I cannot comment on ASUS's poor choice on the internal storage; but with a Galaxy Prevail I had, there was a mod that could transfer data to an external micro SD card. Upon doing this, I couldn't even use the device just due to how bad the lag was (the micro SD card I was using must of been a slower class). Switched back to internal, and all was well.
So using a slower flash controller can make the overall experience of a device very much worse.
My input is biased as I have not owned Nexus 10, and may not ever. Still debating.
But I have done extensive research about all the major tablet out there including Nexus 10, various windows 8 tablets, and owned Infinity myself for about 3 months or so. I sold it in anticipation of Nexus 10.
So here are some of things I can tell (nexus 10 part is just a speculation, and definitely guys own the device can tell you better)
Screen - Nexus 10
Infinity's screen was phenomenal when I jumped from iPad 2. Then I got Note 10.1, and just could not tolerate the lower resolution anymore so had to go back to Infinity. I am not sure if the Infinity to Nexus 10 gives the same degree of jump, but it is possible if you purely look at difference in number of pixel densities. Though one thing I can say is if you never used higher resolution screen, it's hard to know what you are missing. Because I saw new Ipad several times, but until owned Infinity myself and used for couples day I really did not appreciate the difference.
Battery Life - Infinity.
Charge time is faster, extra docking battery, and perhaps tablet itself already has better battery than the Nexus 10 according to paper.
Extra storage - Infinity
MicroSD. I am sure you can connect couple cables via microUSB and use them on Nexus 10 as well, but certainly not as convenient and visually not as good.
Build Quality - Likely Nexus 10
I have never exchanged any of my electronics before in my life. With infinity, I had to do it twice and seems like quite few complaints on the forum here. So when you get a good unit, it's great but there is chance you might have to go through couple exchange. As far as light bleed, some person posted on this forum that Nexus 10 has light bleed. That was actually worth if not the same to the worst light bleed I had on my 3 infinity tablet i.e. both have light bleed.
Dock station - Its really nice to have docking keyboard on infinity. People are hoping Pogo connector on Nexus 10 to support this, and personally I am dreaming the same. However, to be honest, I am not even certain that connector support such type of input.
Application Performance - Likely Nexus 10
Overall performance is likely stronger on Nexus 10, but so far reviews I have read across multiple sites sounds like not a complete ground breaking performance. Nexus 10 certainly has better GPU than Infinity, but supports way more pixels. CPU wise, perhaps it may be due to the fact the some benchmarks are not yet optimized for A15 architecture, but if you look at some benchmark like Antutu Infinity is superior. (Mainly because quad vs. dual core difference I believe). The other test is Sunspider, which is browser test. After the latest firmware update, Infinity's stock browser gives 900's score. Clearly above the Nexus 10, but nexus 10's score also likely to go up. However, there tests are generally just number and I don't think not true reflection of real experience by any mean.
As far as slow internal storage, it is true that Infinity uses inferior internal storage; however, whether you really notice this as major issue or not is depends on how you use your tablet. Initially, people complained this as a cause of slow browser page loading, near complete stall of system while application downloading. Also, relatively frequent application not responding errors. These have been alleviated by update; however, not eradicated. So wonder how Nexus 10 solved this.
Wifi Performance - Nexus 10
MiMo should give quite extra wifi performance.
Future proof - ?
Nexus 10 will definitely get quicker updates on OS. But ASUS is also very fast in fact it has been one of the fastest to get OS update among non nexus device. Though actual overall internal hardware is somewhat inferior to that of Nexus 10, Infinity drives less resolution so it may be relatively sufficient for what it has. If so, as developer supports more higher resolution applications on Android platform (to support Nexus 10), Infinity will also benefit at the same time. So my guess is unless Asus gives up, relative future proof are probably similar between the two.
Conclusion
In current stage of tablet market, I just don't see any tablet that is perfect or completely superior to other competitive device including Nexus 10, Infinity, and Galaxy Note 10.1. Personally, I want a tablet with high resolution screen, luxury of Infinity's dock, microSD, and Galaxy Note 10.1's stylus. WIth zero crash, 10 hours battery, less than 600g... Closest I see for potential right now (myself) is Windows surface Pro but even it lacks battery life, and weight factor. Maybe Samsung's next tablet (Galaxy Note 10.1 with high resolution screen)... I think you just need to list what is important for you and decide.
I had both the Prime and the Infinity. The main reason I returned them was because I read this forum. The Prime had its issues, but I did just fine with the router in my room, and outside the house I always used my phone as a hotspot so the wi-fi problems did not hit me hard. The GPS NEVER worked, but I said to myself, who cares, I have GPS on my phone. I ended up returning it because Best Buy let me (which I also found about here), and because after reading the forum I had the idea that it was the right thing to do, I did pay good money for the device.
As for the Infinity, it was perfect... to me, it was, but again, from reading the forums I had the urge to return it because it ticked me off that ASUS "overlooked" a glaring flaw AGAIN. But to be honest, I was fine with the performance.
I have the Nexus 10 and it is also a good device so no regrets. People are finding flaws on it already, like some flexing in the back. I have the flexing, it's very, very small, and it doesn't bother me at all, light bleed? I don't even know what that is and if I have it.
If you can try out the Infinity and don't feel like it's sluggish AND really loved the dock and expandable memory, get it. Not everyone is as picky with their devices. This is not meant as an insult to anyone here, I just feel like some here look for perfection more than I do. I can understand that because these devices are not cheap at all.
Usually, I tend to stick with what i have and learn to love it, unless it's just a really crappy device or it doesn't work at all.
I hope I have helped you a bit in making your decision.
FINAL EDIT: I forgot to say this, imo, the Infinity felt much more solidly built, the Aluminum just felt right.
Why does everyone keep attributing the lag they see on the transformer infinity to hardware issues? This argument has already been debunked due to the software optimization of cleanrom and c10 without overclocking... any issues that might be noticed on the infinity will be fixed with future updates. So please people, stop with the inaccurate assumptions. The infinity is an absolute beast and so is the N10. The deal breaker for me with the N10 is the battery and no sd card slot. Those are huge issues for me that CAN'T be corrected with updates. The battery is issue has been known since the first reviews came in.
Both devices are awesome, but i have to give the edge to the infinity...OP i would ask yourself these questions...
1. Is battery life important to you?
2. How good are both manufacturers with software updates?
3. Is external storage important to you?
4. Would you rather metal or plastic? Does it male a difference to you?
5. Is having the option of converting your tablet into a netbook appealing to you?
6. Is having Extra battery life through a keyboard dock appealing to you?
I would ask yourself these questions before making your decisions. Good luck!
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Why does everyone keep attributing the lag they see on the transformer infinity to hardware issues? This argument has already been debunked due to the software optimization of cleanrom and c10 without overclocking... any issues that might be noticed on the infinity will be fixed with future updates. So please people, stop with the inaccurate assumptions. The infinity is an absolute beast and so is the N10. The deal breaker for me with the N10 is the battery and no sd card slot. Those are huge issues for me that CAN'T be corrected with updates. The battery is issue has been known since the first reviews came in.
Both devices are awesome, but i have to give the edge to the infinity...
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It is hardware. The benchmarks shown the internal memory of the Asus to be extremely slow. The read/right in benchmarks is slow. I think 0.2 mb/s at times?
Cleanrom doesn't fix that...it just masks it somewhat. I've watched videos of cleanrom and yes it works great, but tweaking software only takes it so far.
Being forced to unlock and give up your warranty on a $500 device to mask the hardware is just not worth it IMO.
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It is hardware. The benchmarks shown the internal memory of the Asus to be extremely slow. The read/right in benchmarks is slow. I think 0.2 mb/s at times?
Cleanrom doesn't fix that...it just masks it somewhat. I've watched videos of cleanrom and yes it works great, but tweaking software only takes it so far.
Being forced to unlock and give up your warranty on a $500 device to mask the hardware is just not worth it IMO.
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Its not hardware, its software. And doesn't mask the i/o issues, it optimizes the software to make better use of the storage speeds. And I'm saying you don't have to unlock, I'm saying that the issues you might see ( which are almost non existent since the last update) CAN be corrected with updates, as made by example of cleanrom. Also looking around these boards, you guys are dealing with some pretty serious issues of your own...
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Its not hardware, its software. And doesn't mask the i/o issues, it optimizes the software to make better use of the storage speeds. And I'm saying you don't have to unlock, I'm saying that the issues you might see ( which are almost non existent since the last update) CAN be corrected with updates, as made by example of cleanrom. Also looking around these boards, you guys are dealing with some pretty serious issues of your own...
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Well I'm not trying to start an argument on the forums. I have both, all with the latest firmware and the N10 flies compared to my Asus. I was really, really trying to like the asus...but its just to sluggish for me. Everyone has their own opinions and needs from a device. Mine just lean more towards the nexus.
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Asus tablets are honestly terrible. Every single display model I have ever used from the transformer, prime, infinity, tf300 etc has all had either a poor wifi connection or ran like crap. Coincidence? Slight possibilty, but considering I go to a lot electronic stores, that doesn't instill me with much confidence.
I am actually shocked that Asus managed to make the Nexus 7 run well, it is plagued with hardware issues but at least it runs well.
Maybe their next crack at the infinity will be good but for now it sucks and the Nexus 10 seems quite awesome.
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Well I'm not trying to start an argument on the forums. I have both, all with the latest firmware and the N10 flies compared to my Asus. I was really, really trying to like the asus...but its just to sluggish for me. Everyone has their own opinions and needs from a device. Mine just lean more towards the nexus.
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Unless you have reset your infinity to factory and done a full clean update to the latest firmware, along with either keeping stock on both devices or having exactly the same apps installed, then making a point that one device is faster than the other is not accurate. I can show you a nexus 1 factory reset and that will "fly" faster than a galaxy nexus that hasn't been put through the same treatment, doesn't mean the nexus 1 is the better device.
Your right, it does come down to needs and personal opinions, just gotta make sure your making those decisions on accurate information my friend....
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Asus tablets are honestly terrible. Every single display model I have ever used from the transformer, prime, infinity, tf300 etc has all had either a poor wifi connection or ran like crap. Coincidence? Slight possibilty, but considering I go to a lot electronic stores, that doesn't instill me with much confidence.
I am actually shocked that Asus managed to make the Nexus 7 run well, it is plagued with hardware issues but at least it runs well.
Maybe their next crack at the infinity will be good but for now it sucks and the Nexus 10 seems quite awesome.
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Except for the horrible battery, poor graphics performance and no microSD slot...ya.... awesome...
Also I'm playing on my sisters N10 right now. I honestly see no difference besides the obvious UI. What i have noticed though is the battery. There is no way I could deal with this.... 30 percent after a little over an hour of mkv movie playing? That my friend is the definition of an inefficient battery to usage ratio.
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Unless you have reset your infinity to factory and done a full clean update to the latest firmware, along with either keeping stock on both devices or having exactly the same apps installed, then making a point that one device is faster than the other is not accurate. I can show you a nexus 1 factory reset and that will "fly" faster than a galaxy nexus that hasn't been put through the same treatment, doesn't mean the nexus 1 is the better device.
Your right, it does come down to needs and personal opinions, just gotta make sure your making those decisions on accurate information my friend....
Sadly I did do that first thing. No change. As I said I have both sitting in front of me so I have all the information I could possibly have haha
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Just got mine, but initial impressions aren't all that positive. The N10 is my 6/7?th tablet, so I think I have some reasonable comparisons (original iPad, Xoom, Acer, Asus TF101,102, Prime, Infinity).
I really dislike the layout of the N10 Android home/back buttons. I use my tablets almost exclusively in landscape mode, so having to reach to to middle of the screen to find home or back buttons BLOWS. I have large hands but I hate having to move my hand rather than reaching with my thumbs - seems so unnecessary. I also dislike Chrome as the defacto browser because it doesn't have Flash and the usual Android stock browser (which is very good overall) isn't loaded - so forced to use other browsers (with their own quirks) that do support Flash. Frankly, until every site on the net is available in HTML5, every device needs Flash support.
While the screen is nice, it's not something I noticed was mind blowingingly better than than the Asus Infinity (nor the Prime for that matter). I use my tablet all day long for reading and I don't find the resolution improvement offers much improvement.
The really nice thing about the N10 is the speaker locations. Makes a meaningful improvement over rear facing speakers on the Prime/Infinity. That said, volume is still too low - have to get an aftermarket app (like SpeakerBoost) to get volume up to decent levels for noisy environments.
Battery life seems good - better than the Asus Infinity/Prime, but obviously no dock to goose battery life a lot more. USB charger is slow on the N10. Asus wins that contest hands down.
Build quality seems good, but Asus Infinity is so much nicer (and thinner and lighter).
N10 offers smooth scrolling so the processor works nicely. Chrome works buttery smooth, but alas, lack of Flash is ridiculous as so many sites I visit still use Flash.
I'll keep for a few more days to see if it grows on me, but I think it's going back for a refund...
That said, if the N10 is your first high end tablet, you'll like it...
Wait a second, so you prefer the build and materials over smoothness and performance? What kind of cracked out world are we living in?
The browser is replaceable and flash is easily implemented so the only thing that you mention is feel and build. Maybe flesh out a little better of why you prefer the infinity or you will end up looking like that pierrekid moron.
You can solve your 2 main issues pretty easily actually :
Buttons: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2010280
Browser: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2006215
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...What kind of cracked out world are we living in?
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The same world where somebody could mistake a Nexus 7 as an iPad Mini, before the iPad Mini was even released
The N10 is not using Tablet UI which explains why the navigation buttons are in the bottom-center. Tablet UI since 4.2 is deprecated in Google's eyes.
The N10 is also the "Google" experience, which is why Chrome is included by default. Flash player on Jellybean is not supported, and there's nothing you nor anyone else can do to warrant any kind of support from Google or Adobe regarding such matters. With this said though, there are various methods for getting Flash Player working on Jellybean. On devices that use an older OS (ICS for example), I guess Flash Player works just fine. Also... I run into very few sites that "require" flash player.
And... since this is a Nexus device, you can easily tailor the device to your needs. Your not forced with a lockdown bootloader, unlocking the bootloader doesn't void warranty, and the Nexus 10 is the best device supported on AOSP currently, which means customizing the Android experience should be... relatively easy for anyone (with experience). That button-location thing I mentioned, can be fixed with some modifications.
I haven't owned a Infinity, so I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure the Nexus 10 is more "open".
I would take chrome over transformers laggy browsers. They have terrible stock browsers. (Yes, download another one.) Tf201 was a TERRIBLE tablet! Battery was good but gps didnt work, bluetooth and wifi couldnt be used at the same time, wifi had terrible signal. Looked nice but that's about it. Nexus wins this.
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Nothing mentioned in the OP should be an issue for anyone who has owned a Nexus device or has minimal knowledge on how to root and use custom roms/kernels.
WilliamShakespeare said:
Just got mine, but initial impressions aren't all that positive. The N10 is my 6/7?th tablet, so I think I have some reasonable comparisons (original iPad, Xoom, Acer, Asus TF101,102, Prime, Infinity).
I really dislike the layout of the N10 Android home/back buttons. I use my tablets almost exclusively in landscape mode, so having to reach to to middle of the screen to find home or back buttons BLOWS. I have large hands but I hate having to move my hand rather than reaching with my thumbs - seems so unnecessary. I also dislike Chrome as the defacto browser because it doesn't have Flash and the usual Android stock browser (which is very good overall) isn't loaded - so forced to use other browsers (with their own quirks) that do support Flash. Frankly, until every site on the net is available in HTML5, every device needs Flash support.
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bee answered your question. It's a very easy thing to accomplish. You can achieve your desired preference in future ROMs and in present ROMs available for the N10.
WilliamShakespeare said:
While the screen is nice, it's not something I noticed was mind blowingingly better than than the Asus Infinity (nor the Prime for that matter). I use my tablet all day long for reading and I don't find the resolution improvement offers much improvement.
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Are you being serious? If there's anything to gripe about it's the apps that have not been updated to provide the optimal performance for the N10, you'll have to be patient for the community to catch up to the specifications of the N10. They're beyond amazing when they have proper support compared to older tablets. The image quality is definitely noticeable in this case.
WilliamShakespeare said:
The really nice thing about the N10 is the speaker locations. Makes a meaningful improvement over rear facing speakers on the Prime/Infinity. That said, volume is still too low - have to get an aftermarket app (like SpeakerBoost) to get volume up to decent levels for noisy environments.
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Yes the speaker locations are paramount. They should have always been the standard - which they will be now.
When playing movies using MX Player or playing music through Google Music, I have to turn the volume down as it gets too loud so I disagree with the volume being too low.
You honestly have to have hard of hearing to believe that. Why would anyone in a noisy enviroment not use headphones? The device comes with a headphone jack which would make sense to utilize in such enviroments.
For example:
Listening to music on a portable device such as the N10 when you're in a room with other people playing games (causing lots of noise) and then complaining about the volume being too low is being ignorant. Use your headphones.
WilliamShakespeare said:
Battery life seems good - better than the Asus Infinity/Prime, but obviously no dock to goose battery life a lot more. USB charger is slow on the N10. Asus wins that contest hands down.
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You're comparing something to nothing. The pogo charger/dock hasn't been released for the N10 yet so resorting to comparing it to the stock charger, which only takes 5½ hours for me to charge from 0% is excellent for a 9000mah battery, is moot and completely nullifies your comparison. You should wait until Samsung/Google releases the pogo charger and/or keyboard dock.
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Build quality seems good, but Asus Infinity is so much nicer (and thinner and lighter).
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Build quality is superb for the Nexus 10. It really doesn't matter as it's all subjective and differs from individual to individual.
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N10 offers smooth scrolling so the processor works nicely. Chrome works buttery smooth, but alas, lack of Flash is ridiculous as so many sites I visit still use Flash.
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There are alternatives to achieve the desired results.
WilliamShakespeare said:
I'll keep for a few more days to see if it grows on me, but I think it's going back for a refund...
That said, if the N10 is your first high end tablet, you'll like it...
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The only thing that the Infinity would have over the N10 is the microSD expansion slot and maybe the camera, but who takes photos with tablets for art? Congrats.
Screen and screen resolution is inferior
Only has 1GB of ram
An abysmal 224ppi - tablets for that cost should have better ppi for a better picture quality.
Only supports MP3
so on so forth.
Someone who doesn't appreciate the price per power ratio of the N10 doesn't deserve to own one.
Return it and be gone.
Im sorry but you must be high or something. I came from the A500, GTab 10.1, Prime, Infinity then Note 10.1. The only tablet that I would consider going back to which I dont because the N10 is a beast, is the Note 10.1.
The Infinity has lots of problems and we all know what they are. I gladly sacrificed the keyboard dock for the N10 which wil be on craigslist shortly.
If you dont realize what you got there then its best that you do return your N10 and head back to the Infinity/Prime forum.
Oh and the screen... its definitely better then the Infinity in everyway.
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The Infinity is 0.5mm thinner and 5g lighter. I can't imagine how a human would actually notice that difference.
Folks,
give the OP some slack here. I can see how someone coming from TF700 would not see the N10 as a quantum leap.
Let me tell you a little secret ... I ordered the N10 about an hr after it went up for sale ... cancelled the order 20 mins later ... just could not think of why it would be so much better compared to the ... drum roll ... the TF101 I have ( I have 2 in the household ).
I am still hoping and praying that Sammy will release what was known as P10 , after the contractually obligated "do not compete" clause expires.
Dock, stylus, expansion slots ... CES may be ? Something that is free of Google's idiotic restrictions ...
Good luck waiting for dock and/or charger for N10
I just have one question:
You said USB charging on the Infinity was better. I had the Infinity for a while before I got my N10, and I could never actually get it to charge via USB. I'm still curious as how to actually get it to work.
I am wondering how you can even compare things that are clearly OS version and app dependent ??
Flash / Browser , yada yada yada ...
4.2 does not support flash end of story, you have to sideload or use something non-stock, it if you want flash to work.
So when you get 4.2.1 STOCK AOSP on the Infinity then you could actually make a fair comparison.
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Folks,
give the OP some slack here. I can see how someone coming from TF700 would not see the N10 as a quantum leap.
Let me tell you a little secret ... I ordered the N10 about an hr after it went up for sale ... cancelled the order 20 mins later ... just could not think of why it would be so much better compared to the ... drum roll ... the TF101 I have ( I have 2 in the household ).
I am still hoping and praying that Sammy will release what was known as P10 , after the contractually obligated "do not compete" clause expires.
Dock, stylus, expansion slots ... CES may be ? Something that is free of Google's idiotic restrictions ...
Good luck waiting for dock and/or charger for N10
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It makes sense to compare a tablet you own to the N10, but to go as far as saying there's another tablet that's factually better than the Nexus 10 with the points the OP claimed are anything but him having buyers remorse and trolling.
The reason I'm not going from the Galaxy Nexus to the Nexus 4 is because it's not a large enough gap in technology to warrant buying a new phone. The OP bought the N10 expecting it to project holograms and provide time travel and was disappointed it didn't so says that an inferior device is better than said device. It makes no sense. If it's not the upgrade you expected, don't blast the device. It's better than any of the tablets he mentioned albeit not a substantial upgrade.
I'm not going around the Nexus 4 forums saying the Galaxy Nexus is better because the upgrades are minimal compared to what I already own.
It's just irrelevant and ignorant to say such things with little to no context other than self-absorbed remorse.
This thread should be closed. It's pointless and disappointing.
I still can't figure it out. Unless build materials and weight is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than performance and battery life, which he admitted was superior on the Nexus 10, it doesn't make any sense.
His other issues are easily fixed through the play store or side load.
I wish the OP and and pierrekid would just cut out the BS politics and just come out and say I love Asus or I hate Google/Samsung build materials. Honesty is something that is sorely missing in today's society. Can't say I blame them though, sometimes you have to flat out lie to get ahead.
I myself have owned both a prime and an infinity, and back when I owned them, prayed daily that Google would release a 10inch tablet to the market. When they announced it, I knew I would give away my ASUS counterparts in a heartbeat no matter what. The prime/infinity had such lagginess, even with custom roms, you could tell the I/O suffered immensely
I couldn't be happier with my N10. It's a f*ck*in monster, and the screen res blows away the infinity. Put em up side by side...you can tell a difference.
I would never go back to ASUS again. I can't even believe this is a discussion. There were so many unhappy asus owners, and hell...there still are this very day!
God bless Google and doing the Nexus 4, 7 and 10. They are an ARMY!
Buttons that are centered, can easily be solved in the near future with a custom rom. Not to mention anything else you have as a pet peeve
How would anyone prefer the Asus tablet when it is confirmed it has a poor hardware memory which causes slowdowns and freezes?
Maybe you haven't heard about the I/O problems with Asus tablets...
No way a tablet with memory hardware problems is better than the nexus 10.
Agreed
Had 2 Asus Tf700 and I return both them back..
Too much problem
1-Bluetooth lag
2-It couldn't handle a lot media files
3-Dead trigger was crashing on my device all the time,called Madfinger and they know what to the me.
4-Stupid Asus want to follow Apple footsteps, only one speaker....
Etc.....
The only good thing about the TF700 is the aluminum body.
Glad Google come out with this device..
PS:And don't have to wait for an update when it is released...
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I agree with the OP, the nexus 10 is my 3rd tablet(the other 2 are the trasformer tf300 and the Infinity). Both tf300 and the Infinity play somewhat fine with Blu ray movies in MKV format. Hoping for better smoothness and performance in videos with the Nexus 10, i was disappointing to find out the Infinity did better than the Nexus 10 in video playback(using mxplayer pro)
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I agree with the OP, the nexus 10 is my 3rd tablet(the other 2 are the trasformer tf300 and the Infinity). Both tf300 and the Infinity play somewhat fine with Blu ray movies in MKV format. Hoping for better smoothness and performance in videos with the Nexus 10, i was disappointing to find out the Infinity did better than the Nexus 10 in video playback(using mxplayer pro)
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Media playback will improve once media players are updated to support the N10's GPU. I've had to use software rending 5 out of 10 times with the videos I've watched.
The idea of this thread is ridiculous to me. This tablet has been exactly what I hoped it to be. I can actually still use my tablet while updating apps. I can open more than one webpage without immense stuttering (even complex ones), and I can switch between them without waiting an unbearably long time (thank you, 2GB of ram). I can switch between apps with very minimal delay (that is nicely covered up by a system animation). In short - I can use my tablet without it getting in the way.
I guess I can add to that the fact that the build quality on mine seems stellar, and light bleed is virtually non-existent. I love the material on the back. And I haven't had any issues with resets.
This is the tablet that I can just use without getting frustrated. I may eventually want to install a custom rom and theme it (something I have done to every device I have owned in the last 6 years). Heck, this seems like a perfect candidate for one of the "prettier" themes. But right now, I'm just enjoying using it.
Most things you mentioned can be fixed. Use boat browser and install flash on it manually, its really fast and flash works with no problems.
I don't like the stock Nav bar too and use Lmt instead, gives me the full 10 inch real estate and is convenient to use.
This tablet is awesome and I have used tons of tablet in the past, Plus its a nexus device and there is already tons of development in the forums in addition to the up to date android os
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I'm sure this news will be frustrating to hear from many Nexus 10 owners, I am still going through replacements to get a good screen without light bleed and dead pixels and then I hear about this.
Thoughts ??
The popular tablet already features a decently fast 1.7GHz dual-core Exynos processor alongside a Mali-T604 GPU. However, new rumors suggest that it will soon beef up with a quad-core processor and a brand new 8-core Mali-T678 GPU.
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Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/490480/google-nexus-10-to-receive-major-upgrades-more-power/
Wow...
mattzildjian said:
I'm sure this news will be frustrating to hear from many Nexus 10 owners.
The popular tablet already features a decently fast 1.7GHz dual-core Exynos processor alongside a Mali-T604 GPU. However, new rumors suggest that it will soon beef up with a quad-core processor and a brand new 8-core Mali-T678 GPU.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/490480/google-nexus-10-to-receive-major-upgrades-more-power/
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I hate to be "that guy" but I'm going to be "that guy".
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2111301
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2109422
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2108875
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I hate to be "that guy" but I'm going to be "that guy".
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2111301
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2109422
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I am surprised none of these are on the front page of general, none of them even showed up in the similar posts when I was making this thread.
because next to no one else is really reporting it. so complete rumour/potential bs at this point.
this wont come out till the fall anyway... 1 year life cycle is typical isnt it?
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this wont come out till the fall anyway... 1 year life cycle is typical isnt it?
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Very typical. The problem is the terrible source story is written like Google is going to have a girl in a bikini pop out of a cake and deliver this new device on the shelves of Walmart in a few weeks with a card in the package telling early adopters to eat crap.
Fourth thread to say the exact same thing with absolultely no credible sources for any of the info stated.
"New rumors suggest" = flimsy puff piece. And do you guys typically get breaking Android news from sites like "thebrightsideofthenews.com" and the "inquisitr.com?" I sure don't. And like styckx said above, use the friggin search button or at least take time to review the front page because all three other threads discussing this very same issue are on it.
Wow im happy finally that I didn't go with nexus 10 mali t 678 would be a beast somewhere 3 times powerful than current nexus 10s gpu mali t604
i9100g user said:
Wow im happy finally that I didn't go with nexus 10 mali t 678 would be a beast somewhere 3 times powerful than current nexus 10s gpu mali t604
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Maybe, but the market will pretty much always be like this. I wouldn't get too bogged down in those specs for a tablet.
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Wow im happy finally that I didn't go with nexus 10 mali t 678 would be a beast somewhere 3 times powerful than current nexus 10s gpu mali t604
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...and 3-4 months after that there will be rumors of the next big thing. Such is the mobile tech market. If your constantly waiting for the next best one, you will never have anything.
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...and 3-4 months after that there will be rumors of the next big thing. Such is the mobile tech market. If your constantly waiting for the next best one, you will never have anything.
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^ So much this.
I used to work for Circuit City and I'd have to deal with this constantly. I was there for two years and I saw some of the same few customers two years later still "shopping" for a new TV that I saw shopping for a new TV my first month with the company. It got to the point I didn't even acknowledge them anymore and my boss didn't comprehend they were in the redundant technology chasing black hole. They'd constantly come in with notebooks (the worst customers are notebook customers) full of specs and charts and graphics and comparisons, print outs from the internet of reviews etc etc etc.. Holy crap I'm just annoyed even reminiscing about it.
I truly respect anyone who can make a living selling technology because it's one of the worst sales jobs next to selling mattresses. Which I've also done.
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Maybe, but the market will pretty much always be like this. I wouldn't get too bogged down in those specs for a tablet.
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Sure you can run Starcraft II HOTS on your tablet, or Skyrim, or DmC...
oh wait you will be running Shadowgun at most, like any other...
Not going to be that person to brave the waters of this new Nexus 10. It could prove to be disasterous. Take the Transformer Infinity for example. The Transformer Prime was great in terms of processing and smoothness, but Asus messed up the Infinity tablet to the point that it had major I/O / lag issues. I owned the Prime and not the Infinity so I'm basing the Infinity performance on what people has said in these forums.
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Take the Transformer Infinity for example. The Transformer Prime was great in terms of processing and smoothness, but Asus messed up the Infinity tablet to the point that it had major I/O / lag issues. I owned the Prime and not the Infinity so I'm basing the Infinity performance on what people has said in these forums.
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Damn I really needed a laugh today, as a former owner of both the 201 and 700, between the two I had, C1/C6 there was no comparison in which was better. Wifi/BT/GPS was horrendous on my C1 not to mention the screen upgrade. Doesn't really matter though, both have pitiful I/O performance which has been well documented I'm only going to link a few but man LOL
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...hmark-11-modern-devices-compared-in-13-tests/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1595531
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1757765
Even if they upgrade the hardware in 6 months, I'd still take my N10 over my old 201 & 700 any day of the week!
More recently users have been noticing very poor performance with ASUS Android tablets whenever there's substantial background IO going on, particularly multitasking while writes are taking place (e.g. downloading a torrent and browsing the web). The slowdowns range from multi-second long pauses to sluggish response time.
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So what, tech gets updated fast, you will never have the best in the market for a very long time.
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I was an early adopter of the Nexus 7 (8GB), and it ended up being discontinued shortly after I bought it and then the 16GB takes its place with the same price...
Really hoping a new Nexus 10 doesn't surface this quickly :/
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I was an early adopter of the Nexus 7 (8GB), and it ended up being discontinued shortly after I bought it and then the 16GB takes its place with the same price...
Really hoping a new Nexus 10 doesn't surface this quickly :/
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Same here I was a little irked getting the 16 at $250 then the 32GB was out but what can you do, I highly doubt we'll see a hardware revision until at least Google I/O
Such is the technology world. Don't get to upset over rumors of a beefier n10. I'd be inclined to guess that this won't happen until late 2013, if it happens at all. If a new and amazingly better n10 comes out q4 2013, it will be very easy to sell your current n10 and grab the new one. Just my .02.... BC this is what I would do. This happens (as a poster stated before) with electronics. Not big news.
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Could Google be announcing the next Nexus 10 at Mobile World Congress?
CES 2013 has just come to an end and there are already rumors about for Mobile World Congress 2013. Among them is potential news for the next generation of Google’s Nexus 10.
Google did very well in the tablet market in 2012 by producing good tablets at a decent cost. More people could afford them and their specs helped them work well. The Nexus 10 second generation could be a lot more interesting.
The rumor comes from Theo Valich from Bright Side of News. If the rumors prove true, then the Nexus 10 second gen is going to be a beast of a tablet. At a quick glance, here are some of the rumored specs.
Mali T678 GPGPU
2GB RAM
Support for OpenCL 1.1, OpenGL ES 1.1/2.0/3.0, and Google’s Renderscript Compute
As you can see, there isn’t a lot there. However, if these rumors prove to be true, the Nexus 10 2 could be the most powerful tablet produced so far. Things like screen resolution, storage sizes, CPU, and other specs haven’t been mentioned yet, so there is still room for a pitfall or two when the final design comes out.
Are any of these Nexus 10 2 rumors true?
It’s hard to say. Theo Valich has claimed to have played with an unfinished version of the Nexus 10 2. However, the specs so far have been a mix of rumor and speculation. So, as usual, take it as it is since it is an unconfirmed rumor. It’s nice to daydream about such things. However, the 2GB of RAM should prove true as it’s the current standard for Android devices.
One thing for sure is that we’ll know more about it eventually. With Google I/O coming up soon, it’s hard to imagine Google announcing a Nexus device at another tech conference. Do you think MWC 2013 will hold some new Google magic or will Google be saving it for Google I/O? More importantly, are any of these specs believable or possible? Let us know your thoughts.
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What do you think? I just ordering my Nexus 10, should I cancel it? :crying:
Hey I was just wondering what everyone's opinions were on the Nexus 9. I need a tablet to use just for watching Youtube, browsing the web, reading in bed and streaming to my Chromecast often. I've heard quite a few complaints about the device and it's definitely not cheap so just wondering what people think of it? I'm also wondering if there's any other tablets around the corner I should wait for instead? Thanks!
That's a no from me. Despite my gut feel that the tablet has the potential to be the champ, it is virtually unusable for me without suffering considerable frustration. I also think it has been a flop sales wise and that this is one google regrets. Of all my nexus devices, this is the one which needed 5.1 the most and will be the last, by a fair margin, to get it. And who knows when that will be?
I've heard great things about the shield, that's where I would be looking.
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That's a no from me. Despite my gut feel that the tablet has the potential to be the champ, it is virtually unusable for me without suffering considerable frustration. I also think it has been a flop sales wise and that this is one google regrets. Of all my nexus devices, this is the one which needed 5.1 the most and will be the last, by a fair margin, to get it. And who knows when that will be?
I've heard great things about the shield, that's where I would be looking.
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Agree with this, even about the Nvidia Shield part. I've lost track of when the 2015 Shield is coming out, but that will be a good buy. Even my 2013 Wifi Nexus 7 performs better than the N9
I say yes
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That's a no from me. Despite my gut feel that the tablet has the potential to be the champ, it is virtually unusable for me without suffering considerable frustration. I also think it has been a flop sales wise and that this is one google regrets. Of all my nexus devices, this is the one which needed 5.1 the most and will be the last, by a fair margin, to get it. And who knows when that will be?
I've heard great things about the shield, that's where I would be looking.
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Agree with this 100%.
Wait until 5.1 drops for the N9 before making a decision. It will either make it the great tablet it has the potential to be, or confirm it as the lemon that it is now.
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It's hard to say, folks' experiences seem to vary so widely.
I've had mine since slightly after launch. I use it for remoting in to my work network, listening/playing music, browsing forums, web browsing, and light gaming. I don't experience the problems that some report here -- except, if I have multiple chrome tabs open or switch away from chrome and then go back, I do experience excessive web page reloading/refreshing. But no overheating, no lag, etc. Not sure if it is luck of draw in terms of hardware, app selection, or what.
I get about 7-8 hours battery life with mixed use. I am bone stock in terms of rom, kernel, etc. I haven't even rooted it.
I would say read through the "post here if you love your nexus 9" and "5.1 rolling out now?" threads in the N9 General subforum. You will get a good sense of the positive and negative viewpoints.
Bottom line for me is that I would buy it again if I had the choice to make again.
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I have already rooted my Nexus 9, but when it was on stock I didn't have any performance issues like with other people. It was very fast, faster than any Android device I've used up to now. After rooting I lowered the speed to 1.3GHz & it still flies in the games I use.
The 9 is much better for reading than my Kindle Fire thanks to the high resolution, which makes reading less of a chore. Also android now has PowerPoint & Word, making my N9 even more usable as a replacement for my ultrabook.
Overall, my only regret is choosing the 16GB over the 32GB because it only has 11GB free.
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My problem with the Shield tablet and why I was looking at the Nexus 9 was the size. To me the size of the N9 is big enough that it fills a void that my phone can't. The Shield seems awesome and I'd get it hands-down but it's screen size is small enough that it's not really a tablet in my eyes..it's like a huge phone if that makes sense?
There's not a major size difference. I have seen the HP Stream 8 in person & found that it's usable as a Windows device.
9 - 9 x 6.05 x .31
Shield - 8.8 x 5 x .36
Also the shield has some advantages like OpenGL 4.x, direct stylus, GRID, and no DCO issues.
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There is such an enormous gulf between those with good and bad experiences. When people tell me they love their nexus 9 I am left scratching my head. The thing is a dud for me, certainly I get better performance from my nexus 7s (2012 + 2013). I feel had that I paid so much for a device which seems solid when you pick it up but is a disaster when you use it. Whether you're in one camp or another, Google had paid it almost no attention in five months, that's ominous in my books. Buyer beware.
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There is such an enormous gulf between those with good and bad experiences. When people tell me they love their nexus 9 I am left scratching my head. The thing is a dud for me, certainly I get better performance from my nexus 7s (2012 + 2013). I feel had that I paid so much for a device which seems solid when you pick it up but is a disaster when you use it. Whether you're in one camp or another, Google had paid it almost no attention in five months, that's ominous in my books. Buyer beware.
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Ya I definitely will heed your advice. I feel like it was almost a testbench on how a 64bit architecture would work with Android.. I just don't even understand how it can be so expensive for the experience the vast majority of people are having. To me a tablet of that price should just work and be an excellent experience.
Its not perfect
Its not perfect but still new, Still has some bugs. I came from an Aus Transformer infinity t700,
nice screen, but with only 1 gig of ram, and slow tegra3. it was much larger than my nexus 9.
to me the nexus 9 is the best tablet I had in a really long time, it does have its issues, but hopefully they will be fixed soon with software updates.
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Its not perfect but still new, Still has some bugs. I came from an Aus Transformer infinity t700,
nice screen, but with only 1 gig of ram, and slow tegra3. it was much larger than my nexus 9.
to me the nexus 9 is the best tablet I had in a really long time, it does have its issues, but hopefully they will be fixed soon with software updates.
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My problem with this is a $530 32GB tablet shouldn't need a software update or have "some issues." My family has iPads and I used to have one years ago and have never seen a single issue with any of them.
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My problem with this is a $530 32GB tablet shouldn't need a software update or have "some issues." My family has iPads and I used to have one years ago and have never seen a single issue with any of them.
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iOS is better with memory management, is minimalistic, and is meant for a very strict set of specs. All of them use some form of the Legendary Power VR SGX with 1-3 CPU cores max. They have likely optimized the heck out of their devices compared to Android manufacturers.
You could put 8 cores in an android device @10Ghz & watch it barely scrape past Apple's latest offering(s). I don't care for Apple, but it's hard to ignore how well made OSX & iOS are.
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The Nexus 9 has been disappointing... It doesn't have a lot of features I'd ideally like to have: microSD, MHL/HDMI, and Miracast being the main examples. And battery life isn't great. I'd forgive those if it was really fast/responsive, and if we stayed on the bleeding-edge with Android updates. Neither of those is true. Also, while it's a good value for high-end tablet, it's not a great value like the Nexus 7 tablets were.
That being said, I think all the Android tablets right now have some fatal flaws. I'm not sure I would pick anything else over the Nexus 9. There's a fair bit to like about the Nexus 9- the screen and speakers being two examples. But if I didn't need a tablet, I'd probably hold off for now. Or, quite frankly, I'd probably more seriously consider shelling out the extra cash for a Surface Pro 3.
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That being said, I think all the Android tablets right now have some fatal flaws. I'm not sure I would pick anything else over the Nexus 9. There's a fair bit to like about the Nexus 9- the screen and speakers being two examples. But if I didn't need a tablet, I'd probably hold off for now. Or, quite frankly, I'd probably more seriously consider shelling out the extra cash for a Surface Pro 3.
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My Galaxy Tab S is a leaps and bounds above the Nexus 9 - I bought it after the N9, because I couldn't wait for Google to rectify the N9's short-comings.
Whilst the Tab S doesn't feel as premium as the N9, it is good, solid, hardware (exceptional screen) and a viable software build.
If Google can fix the N9, I suspect the Tab S will end up on Ebay as I much prefer the N9 keyboard over the Tab S's, but at the moment it is no contest.
I have a Surface Pro 3 too - it is a fantastic machine and has completely replaced my MacBook Pro. However, a tablet it is not IMO - it's a touch screen PC with a detachable keyboard.
It's just too big to serve as a tablet (YMMV).
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Dave
I've gone through a lot of Nexus 9s. The answer for me is "maybe". Newer sand models are like a completely different tablet. They run cooler. There is essentially no backlight bleed. The back plates are now glued on so no more bouncy center or creaking . I don't have any lag and performance is great. Destroys my other devices. I can't compare to the old white models I had from Amazon because i never kept one for long enough (bleed, horrible buttons, bouncy backplate, or some other issue). Chrome reloading is the only software issue i have. The only remaining hardware issue is that the buttons are just mediocre. They work fine, but they just don't reflect the price. I returned a couple sand models for this reason which is why I have a good idea of the quality of these newer sand tablets.
Unfortunately the Sand models from Google Store are overpriced, and ordering a cheaper white or black model from Amazon doesn't guarantee good quality. I was able to get a $50 Google Play gift card so I'm happy for the price.