And i was hoping for something without light bleed, aaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
Just read Engadgets full review of the nexus 10, generally sounds good, but light bleed is my one bug bare, and yes its there, and they confirmed it on a second device aswell!
Sooo close!
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And i was hoping for something without light bleed, aaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
Just read Engadgets full review of the nexus 10, generally sounds good, but light bleed is my one bug bare, and yes its there, and they confirmed it on a second device aswell!
Sooo close!
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Calm down slick. Even two devices doesn't mean that every product off the line will have it. Unless they had checked 20 devices and every one had the same problem, I'm not writing of the device. There are defects. Some people have Nexus 7's with no light bleed, others have it with some light bleed.
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Calm down slick. Even two devices doesn't mean that every product off the line will have it. Unless they had checked 20 devices and every one had the same problem, I'm not writing of the device. There are defects. Some people have Nexus 7's with no light bleed, others have it with some light bleed.
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I'm hoping they were slightly lower quality review devices! PLEASEEEEEEEEEE,
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I'm hoping they were slightly lower quality review devices! PLEASEEEEEEEEEE,
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Of the 5 reviews so far only Engadget mentioned leakage, everyone else is highly satisfied with the screen. Cnet mentioned these are presale models being tested, so let's just wait for the final version.
With the new Nexus 10 coming out, I strongly believe Apple is going downhill. I do not want to be cynical but had Steve been still alive, this would have never happened. When I saw the Ipad Mini, I thought "This is going to be my first Apple product, though expensive". Then Google announced Nexus 10. Everything changed dramatically. I want Google, and nothing but the Google, so help me God(if any)!!!
Light bleed is kind of a big deal to me too. I don't care about anything being really much over 1920x1080 (although it has to be at least 300PPI for me with Pentile displays, I can still see it), but light bleed might be the deal breaker here when I see this thing. It is not like I absolutely need a tablet with a good desktop, laptop, and phone. I'd be getting it for media and browsing around the house and workplace where screen quality will be the #1 focus.
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Light bleed is kind of a big deal to me too. I don't care about anything being really much over 1920x1080 (although it has to be at least 300PPI for me with Pentile displays, I can still see it), but light bleed might be the deal breaker here when I see this thing. It is not like I absolutely need a tablet with a good desktop, laptop, and phone. I'd be getting it for media and browsing around the house and workplace where screen quality will be the #1 focus.
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+1 Can't stand light bleed.
It seems that the contrast is nothing special either, but that's because it's not as bright as other tablets. The black level looks decent according to the tests.
D: ohh lol i hate light bleeds
Does warranty cover light bleeding?
Any LCD with a backlight will suffer from light bleed to some extent even the iPad3 retina (just Google for the pictures). Obviously, something to check for and exchange if it's significant. The pictures on The Verge don't show any signs of it and the pixel level comparison shows the Nexus 10 display to be superior in black level, colors and sharpness against retina.
What is the brightness of the screen, anyway?
There is a firestorm going on over at Engadget over this review. The same reviewer wrote the iPad mini review and fawned over it but nitpicks the Nexus 10. Engadget has been deleting posts that point out the flaws in the review (and back it up with evidence).
I wouldn't put too much stock in this review, but it's always a good idea to be skeptical.
What is exactly "light bleed"?
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When the spread of the backlight is uneven, so parts of the screen are brighter than others.
I always thought light bleed was the presence of light when there shouldn't be any. Like when you're watching a movie in portrait view, and the black bars on top and bottom show light. That's why I haven't wasted much time with IPS in the last couple years ever since discovering Samsung's AMOLEDs. Uneven backlighting is a different and even worse artifact, and again it only affects non-AMOLED screens.
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I always thought light bleed was the presence of light when there shouldn't be any. Like when you're watching a movie in portrait view, and the black bars on top and bottom show light. That's why I haven't wasted much time with IPS in the last couple years ever since discovering Samsung's AMOLEDs. Uneven backlighting is a different and even worse artifact, and again it only affects non-AMOLED screens.
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Seems like they both have pros and cons. Amoled displays have high risk of tint, I experienced this in my s2 for about a year until I finally got a replacement. This one portrays whites much better, or at least now it does. Aside from that you have all benefits, thin capacitive touch layer, vibrant colors (I don't give a **** if they're over saturated, they look great and that's what matters), no risk of light bleed, and huge potential battery savings. In my personal opinion I would take an amoled panel any day. I mean, displays like the super lcd2 in the one x are brilliant, but come on,, have you seen the note 2 on dynamic settings ?
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Wished Samsung had gone with SAMOLED. Without a backlight there's no backlight bleed, ghosting, uniformity, etc. issues.
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Wished Samsung had gone with SAMOLED. Without a backlight there's no backlight bleed, ghosting, uniformity, etc. issues.
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The technology is not there yet, nor is the economy. They simply can't produce a 2560x1680 OLED panel, 10" or otherwise, at a price anyone would be willing to pay.
Look at the PenTile "tricks" they have to pull on Galaxy phones as an indicator of how they're struggling with the tech, look at the very high cost of the Tab 7.7 to see how expensive it gets when you increase size, and to further reinforce that look at the ludicrous price of their big screen SAMOLED televisions compared to LCD and plasma.
Give it a few more years, it'll be feasible, and Samsung is surely working very hard on the problem, since they have a lot invested in pretty much owning the OLED market.
You're right. This is going to be the best 10" screen for the next 6-12 months. Yes it won't look as good as the screen on my S3 but I will be more than happy with it.
8 days and counting!
Hopefully a PCWorld/Currys near me will have it ready to take away!
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Just bought an amaze. And I see that I have a bad screen bleed, also one dead pixel. Anybody else have the same issue?
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Nope I don't have any dead pixels or screen bleed .
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I take that back, its not actually screen bleed. When the lights at the bottom of the phone light up I get the screen bleed effect.
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Oh so its fine now right ?
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Not really lol. But its better cause when watching videos those keys will not be illuminated
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I tried three different ones before I gave up. All of them had that with the lights. When on they bled up the bottom of the screen. You can really notice it when the screen is dark or black background.
yea mine has it and all the ones i tried did so exchanging it wont result in anything it appears
I only have screen bleeding issue when screen isn't on full brightness. Doesn't really bother me.
I posted this in another thread, but I took some pictures of the "screen bleed" (light from the buttons bleeding over into the screen) on my Amaze 4G. I also put up some pictures of my Nexus S, which has the same button configuration, but zero screen bleed:
http://plus.google.com/photos/105505315440794373505/albums/5662786129509465969
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I only have screen bleeding issue when screen isn't on full brightness. Doesn't really bother me.
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Exactly. Doesn't bother me really. At least its not an issue that hinders the actual performance of the device like the epic 4g touch and its loss of signal issues that everyone is having.
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I posted this in another thread, but I took some pictures of the "screen bleed" (light from the buttons bleeding over into the screen) on my Amaze 4G. I also put up some pictures of my Nexus S, which has the same button configuration, but zero screen bleed:
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That picture is unfair to the HTC Amaze, the bezel is supposed to be the same color but it's a lot darker on the Nexus S picture.
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That picture is unfair to the HTC Amaze, the bezel is supposed to be the same color but it's a lot darker on the Nexus S picture.
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Hokay, I added more pics to my album. Sorry about the terrible shakycam, I don't have a tripod or anything, and flash screws everything up.
Here's the two side-by-side. One thing I noticed: the Nexus is absolutely fantastic at preserving the blacks. I'm sure this is due to a difference in backlight/screen tech, but it's really impressive - black is just black on the Nexus. The Amaze is much lighter grey when it's supposed to be "black". Here's the two side-by-side with the backlights at their lowest and highest settings:
But even without any backlight or bottom lights, the Nexus' screen is still noticeably blacker than the Amaze. I also added another picture I found elsewhere on the web with two versions of the Nexus S - it is just a difference in the screen tech (SuperLCD vs AMOLED). That may be a factor here as well.
I'm not trying to discredit the Amaze at all - I own it, I love it, and I plan on keeping it. The screen bleed is probably made worse/more noticeable by the screen tech choice, which isn't as good at reproducing blacks. This isn't a huge issue for me, but I just wanted to document the differences here. I'm just taking the best pictures I can to represent it - it really is noticeable in person too, if you care about such things.
Can you take pictures in normal daylight on it's auto light settings to show how it looks in real life..
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Here's the two side-by-side. One thing I noticed: the Nexus is absolutely fantastic at preserving the blacks. I'm sure this is due to a difference in backlight/screen tech, but it's really impressive - black is just black on the Nexus. The Amaze is much lighter grey when it's supposed to be "black". Here's the two side-by-side with the backlights at their lowest and highest settings
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Wow, indeed. I didn't think the blacks would be so different on the two phones (which is why I thought it came from your pictures - evidently I was wrong).
Those pictures are awesome and clearly show how the bottom lights affect the screen, thanks!
Not enough to make me reconsider (though maybe I'll change my mind when I finally have it in hands).
My friend had a very similar light bleeding in his EVO...one day he broke the screen and when replaced with a new one, the problem was gone. so it was a manufacturing issue on the first screen.
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Can you take pictures in normal daylight on it's auto light settings to show how it looks in real life..
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Hokay. I've added some outdoor pictures, and a set of indoor pictures in my dark apartment now that it's day. Updated link. It definitely is much less noticeable outside (although I spend a considerable amount of time inside that I count as "real life" as well ), and the Nexus screen is still blacker, although not as much. Pics:
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Wow, indeed. I didn't think the blacks would be so different on the two phones (which is why I thought it came from your pictures - evidently I was wrong).
Those pictures are awesome and clearly show how the bottom lights affect the screen, thanks!
Not enough to make me reconsider (though maybe I'll change my mind when I finally have it in hands).
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Yeah, the side-by-side Nexus pic I found really demonstrates that. It's not nearly as disparate outdoors, but indoors it's pretty noticeable. And it is just the screen tech - screen techs have their pros and cons, black reproduction is only one aspect of screen quality.
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Exactly. Doesn't bother me really. At least its not an issue that hinders the actual performance of the device like the epic 4g touch and its loss of signal issues that everyone is having.
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Not a performance issue but could be an easy software fix just have the keys dim with the screen. Sent htc an email so other versions might be better.. but I'm sure once we get root there might be a fix for it
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Not a performance issue but could be an easy software fix just have the keys dim with the screen. Sent htc an email so other versions might be better.. but I'm sure once we get root there might be a fix for it
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Do the lights dim? Most LEDs are only capable of being on or off..
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Do the lights dim? Most LEDs are only capable of being on or off..
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All the LEDs are capable of being dimmed, you just have to give them less power.
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All the LEDs are capable of being dimmed, you just have to give them less power.
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Not terribly on-topic, but LEDs are generally actually dimmed via pulse-width modulation - basically, if you want 50% brightness, you turn them on for 50% of the time, off 50% of the time, at >60Hz. Among other things, LED color depends on current - so supplying less current would not only make them dimmer, but change the color.
What does screen bleed look like? I got my new C3 serial model and I see white coming out on the sides when the screens all black? Please don't tell me that's it on my 2nd friggin prime!!!
Yup, thats bleed.
Since you have a C3, have you tested your Wifi/BT speeds at the same time? Just curious how yours is performing.
I haven't tested **** yet because I finally got it updated to 21. I'm so pissed. I can't believe I have to send yet another prime back. Are u ****ing kidding me
Is it really bad? Possible to take a pic for us?
Mine has some along the right side but since everything else works on mine cept GPS I live with it.. C3's are supposed to be good batch but looks like they're like the others as well..
Mostly on the right side.
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Once you posted these pics, I had a look at mine too. I too have a screen bleed ( I think two of them) on the right end of the screen. Now I can nitpick, rant and rave and all as much as I want, saying that I payed $500 of my hard earned cash that it better work 100% well. But guess what, its been a month since I got my device and so far I have never, ever noticed this. I watched a couple of movies too, but never noticed it. So, though technically there may be some flaws in my device, for all practical purposes it is unnoticeable and okay. I believe screen bleed is due to the screen being screwed a bit too tightly, so it is technically not a hardware issue, it is just a slight fitting issue which can be fixed if you open your device and tinker.
Similarly, my prime has 2 bright pixels (dead pixels that is). Still, I have never been bothered by it. Now, I may obsess about the screen bleed for a few days (because I just discovered a new "defect" in my prime thanks to you! nah, I'm joking, it's cool! ) but still I'm not gonna notice it.
Now your screen bleed seems benign too! If you notice it often, return it else keep it! As simple as that, bro!
\m/ Btw, my prime is a C1... Peace!
Sorry to see that man, that definitely looks worse than mine..and with a C3 you def got a right to be upset
You know, I lurk on ipad forums a lot. There's no question that almost all if not all ipads out there have back light bleed to some degree. And yet, ipad users don't really care about it since most people don't notice it until someone else points it out to them.
And yet on this side of the fence android users would cry bloody murder and make it out like it's the end of the world just because in a completely dark room with a device that is showing a completely black picture you can see some light coming from the corners.
For those who think backlight bleed is the end of the world, please do us all a favor and get a normal lcd display tablet. Or go get the ipad.
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What does screen bleed look like? I got my new C3 serial model and I see white coming out on the sides when the screens all black? Please don't tell me that's it on my 2nd friggin prime!!!
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90% of all LCDs have some form of screen bleed. TVs, Laptops, LCD monitors, iPads, etc. The reality is that it is just a consequence of the technology.
Unless you have incredibly prominent screen bleed that is distracting when the screen is not all black, or distracting enough to notice while watching dark movies, I wouldn't worry about it much.
From the photos you posted I don't think you have much to complain about.
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You know, I lurk on ipad forums a lot. There's no question that almost all if not all ipads out there have back light bleed to some degree. And yet, ipad users don't really care about it since most people don't notice it until someone else points it out to them.
And yet on this side of the fence android users would cry bloody murder and make it out like it's the end of the world just because in a completely dark room with a device that is showing a completely black picture you can see some light coming from the corners.
For those who think backlight bleed is the end of the world, please do us all a favor and get a normal lcd display tablet. Or go get the ipad.
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I remember seeing this post on tf101 forums
goodintentions said:
You know, I lurk on ipad forums a lot. There's no question that almost all if not all ipads out there have back light bleed to some degree. And yet, ipad users don't really care about it since most people don't notice it until someone else points it out to them.
And yet on this side of the fence android users would cry bloody murder and make it out like it's the end of the world just because in a completely dark room with a device that is showing a completely black picture you can see some light coming from the corners.
For those who think backlight bleed is the end of the world, please do us all a favor and get a normal lcd display tablet. Or go get the ipad.
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I have an ipad2 and the new ipad with no lightbleeds. But the early primes I bought 3 of the 5 primes had definite light bleeds on more that 1 area and 1 had dead pixels. This is from my experience. Maybe I just have the worst luck with the prime like a few of the members here.
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I have an ipad2 and the new ipad with no lightbleeds. But the early primes I bought 3 of the 5 primes had definite light bleeds on more that 1 area and 1 had dead pixels. This is from my experience. Maybe I just have the worst luck with the prime like a few of the members here.
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I have a tf101 32gig model and just bought a prime. It's got absolutely no light bleed whatsoever. It locks onto the gps in about 30 seconds and always sees at least 8 sats, sometimes 10-12, at any given time. Neither my transformers have any light bleed at all. My 16gig model did have some light bleed, though. Last year, I bought an ipad and ipad 2 and they both got light bleeds.
There have been plenty of articles regarding light bleeds on the ipads and that chances are if you got light bleed and want to exchange for another you will get another with light bleed.
All ips display devices are prone to backlight bleeds. Most people don't care about it because it's hardly noticable. Only a few people like yourself think it's the end of the world.
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You got me LOL.
I am now officially a proud owner of a prime with a fully working gps, strong as hell wifi signal, and no back light bleed whatsoever. Can't wait for the dock to arrive.
yeah my wifi works too and my gps is fine for the most part, was on my first unit too - this unit has a tiny bleed but it's barely worth mentioning compared to the amount of bleeds the tf101 had. Alot of people around here really can't appreciate how much better this tablet is over the original transformer.
Do you really notice that bleeding with normal use? Mine had this:
Which really has those bright spots, but this seems pretty gentle, however it shouldn't be there..
That screen bleed from the op doesnt look bad at all...
Room looks pitch black, and thats all you see. I can guarantee you can't see that during normal operation.
Op: your screen bleed actually is not that bad. I would not take another chance sending it back because you might get worse.
It took me 3 times before I got one that was tolerable. But then I opened my prime and fixed it by loosening some screws.
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Op: your screen bleed actually is not that bad. I would not take another chance sending it back because you might get worse.
It took me 3 times before I got one that was tolerable. But then I opened my prime and fixed it by loosening some screws.
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how do you open it, and is it hard and/or dangerous?
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how do you open it, and is it hard and/or dangerous?
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Here is a link to the instructions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1479664
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Here is a link to the instructions:
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yeah it is very easy. Just follow instructions on some forums on xda. Also some say to insert tie prying tool at the to release. But I recommend the right side if the prime by the headphone Jack. Much easier.
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I am very close on pulling the trigger on a ZU, coming from a Note II. However, I am quite reluctant to take the plunge because there several serious issues plaguing the ZU, so it seems.
First off, I have heard many nightmare stories about spontaneous cracks that happen for no particular (self inflicted) reason and that it takes weeks to months after to get the phone back and sometimes needing to pay for it. This of course is atrocious service by Sony. I have read a statement from Sony, saying they repair single cracked displays. Anybody experience with this issue and is the ZU really that fragile? It's a big phone and needs to survive in a jeans pocket, logically.
Secondly how bad/ good are the black values in the dark on the ZU? In daylight they seem fine, but in the dark, in bed, watching a movie... Not sure.
Thanks guys.
While I mostly watch comedies or TV shows on my phone and leave more serious watching for my ht room, I never felt bad about the black levels although it's not on par with my previous note phones. My gf is getting note 2 tomorrow so I can take some pics side by side showing the same dark movie scenes.
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Thanks for that, I appreciate it. It would probably be best to take them in a pitch black room, as it would be more accurate. No experience with sudden cracks, eh?
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Thanks for that, I appreciate it. It would probably be best to take them in a pitch black room, as it would be more accurate. No experience with sudden cracks, eh?
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I have only read about two or three guys around here that have cracked their screens, so it doesn't look like it's a widespread issue. It is a 6.4" sheet of thin glass though, so you should be careful with it no matter what. The screen is an LCD, so you won't get deep blacks in the dark, since LCDs have a backlight (LED). AMOLEDs don't have that, so that's why you get those deep blacks. Even my old Galaxy Note had a grey-ish black when i used it in the dark, since light from the neighbouring pixels would illuminate the area around.
The blacks looks good in normal light, but it won't look that black in a dark room. That's just how the technology works.
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I have only read about two or three guys around here that have cracked their screens, so it doesn't look like it's a widespread issue. It is a 6.4" sheet of thin glass though, so you should be careful with it no matter what. The screen is an LCD, so you won't get deep blacks in the dark, since LCDs have a backlight (LED). AMOLEDs don't have that, so that's why you get those deep blacks. Even my old Galaxy Note had a grey-ish black when i used it in the dark, since light from the neighbouring pixels would illuminate the area around.
The blacks looks good in normal light, but it won't look that black in a dark room. That's just how the technology works.
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Thanks for your thorough reply :good: Regarding the sudden cracks, people blame the design for it, that the power button placement is the culprit. I.e. the enclosure not being strong enough and it's a design fault. Where I'm from, Holland, there was a tv show that shined a light on the many Xperia screens that cracked, particularly the Z. Hundreds of people had this issue and basically Sony left them out in the cold for weeks to months, saying there wasn't such a problem. We all know they released a statement where they state otherwise and single cracks will (no impact) be repaired under warranty. I am not eager to grab the ZU from my pocket one day and welcomed by a 'sudden crack'. This of course is a risk and a risk any adopter takes.
Regarding the black values, how is the quality of HD content in the dark, I mean are the blacks 'good enough'?
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Thanks for your thorough reply :good: Regarding the sudden cracks, people blame the design for it, that the power button placement is the culprit. I.e. the enclosure not being strong enough and it's a design fault. Where I'm from, Holland, there was a tv show that shined a light on the many Xperia screens that cracked, particularly the Z. Hundreds of people had this issue and basically Sony left them out in the cold for weeks to months, saying there wasn't such a problem. We all know they released a statement where they state otherwise and single cracks will (no impact) be repaired under warranty. I am not eager to grab the ZU from my pocket one day and welcomed by a 'sudden crack'. This of course is a risk and a risk any adopter takes.
Regarding the black values, how is the quality of HD content in the dark, I mean are the blacks 'good enough'?
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You'll just have to take the chance at this point, but it shouldn't be an issue at all. If it was, you'd be seeing a lot more people complaining around here. Regarding the HD quality in the dark, i don't think you'll have any complaints. The colors and the screen is overall fantastic, but it may take a few watches to get used to the more natural colors if you're used to AMOLED, which in most cases makes everything look fake.
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You'll just have to take the chance at this point, but it shouldn't be an issue at all. If it was, you'd be seeing a lot more people complaining around here. Regarding the HD quality in the dark, i don't think you'll have any complaints. The colors and the screen is overall fantastic, but it may take a few watches to get used to the more natural colors if you're used to AMOLED, which in most cases makes everything look fake.
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You're absolutely correct on both counts. I need to take the plunge. Yesterday at Mediamarkt the ZU had a dead battery so that didn't help me taking a look at the screen. I will be doing that today at some other stores.
You're absolutely right regarding the samoled screens, they made my eyes adapt to very cartooney color reproduction. Sure it can make everything pop and the blacks are overall (not always) great, but realistic...no. I'm hoping the ZU is the middle road between the sammy's samoled and the somewhat boring IPS displays we see in LG or HTC.
Follow up: So I went on my bike to the city in the worst storm, with rain, hail and thunder, but I conquered the elements, only to be greeted in the end by the marvelous ZU. I saw it yesterday in white and today in black and damn it looks so damn classy in black. A phablet from the future. The screen is pretty much insane, a middle road as I expected, between samoled and LCD IPS. I watched some movie trailer and everything seemed insanely sharp and crisp, with natural realistic color tones.
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You're absolutely correct on both counts. I need to take the plunge. Yesterday at Mediamarkt the ZU had a dead battery so that didn't help me taking a look at the screen. I will be doing that today at some other stores.
You're absolutely right regarding the samoled screens, they made my eyes adapt to very cartooney color reproduction. Sure it can make everything pop and the blacks are overall (not always) great, but realistic...no. I'm hoping the ZU is the middle road between the sammy's samoled and the somewhat boring IPS displays we see in LG or HTC.
Follow up: So I went on my bike to the city in the worst storm, with rain, hail and thunder, but I conquered the elements, only to be greeted in the end by the marvelous ZU. I saw it yesterday in white and today in black and damn it looks so damn classy in black. A phablet from the future. The screen is pretty much insane, a middle road as I expected, between samoled and LCD IPS. I watched some movie trailer and everything seemed insanely sharp and crisp, with natural realistic color tones.
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I'm pretty sure you'll only get one opinion out of us here. Which is take the plunge!
I took the plunge so far I've even got two of the bloody ultras!
It's a long story.
I've come from a Galaxy Note, Galaxy Note II, and Galaxy S4.
I'm far happier with my Ultra. You will be too!
Alright so a final question regarding contrast, black levels that is, how is it for you guys? Especially in pitch black (at night, while watching videos)? Erica Griffin, who is also a XDA member, posted her review on the ZU on Youtube and mentioned her pretty bad contrast level of 680:1, whereas others have a ratio of 1000:1 and above. What are your findings? The Youtube time link can be found here:
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Alright so a final question regarding contrast, black levels that is, how is it for you guys? Especially in pitch black (at night, while watching videos)? Erica Griffin, who is also a XDA member, posted her review on the ZU on Youtube and mentioned her pretty bad contrast level of 680:1, whereas others have a ratio of 1000:1 and above. What are your findings? The Youtube time link can be found here:
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I can't meassure my screen since i have idea how to do it, but remember that it's an LCD, so black won't be black in a dark room. It'll be gray. My friends brand new Samsung Galaxy TabPro has an LCD, and it's the same story there. Even AMOLEDs won't be pitch black in dark places. It'll be darker, but not completely black.
I don't know what else to tell you. You'll have to just check it out yourself and see if it's something you can live with or not. I watch tv shows on my Ultra every night in bed, and i'm not complaining.
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I can't meassure my screen since i have idea how to do it, but remember that it's an LCD, so black won't be black in a dark room. It'll be gray. My friends brand new Samsung Galaxy TabPro has an LCD, and it's the same story there. Even AMOLEDs won't be pitch black in dark places. It'll be darker, but not completely black.
I don't know what else to tell you. You'll have to just check it out yourself and see if it's something you can live with or not. I watch tv shows on my Ultra every night in bed, and i'm not complaining.
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Yeah the tech between amoled and lcd is vastly different, which results in various color/brightness traits. It seems there were two different panels used for the ZU, namely the AUO and Sharp, as seen on this image. Perhaps this is why there is a different contrast ratio across the board.
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Even AMOLEDs won't be pitch black in dark places. It'll be darker, but not completely black.
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I disagree. On my Note 2 black is completely, 100% black.
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I disagree. On my Note 2 black is completely, 100% black.
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That would be impossible since there is still a small current flowing through the pixels, so they are never really off. But yes, closest to black as possible.
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That would be impossible since there is still a small current flowing through the pixels, so they are never really off. But yes, closest to black as possible.
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Oh okay. I thought, that they are completely turned off, as Wikipedia states.
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Oh okay. I thought, that they are completely turned off, as Wikipedia states.
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That would cause smearing, sadly, as seen with the Note 3. They fixed that later, not completely turned off.
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I am very close on pulling the trigger on a ZU, coming from a Note II. However, I am quite reluctant to take the plunge because there several serious issues plaguing the ZU, so it seems.
First off, I have heard many nightmare stories about spontaneous cracks that happen for no particular (self inflicted) reason and that it takes weeks to months after to get the phone back and sometimes needing to pay for it. This of course is atrocious service by Sony. I have read a statement from Sony, saying they repair single cracked displays. Anybody experience with this issue and is the ZU really that fragile? It's a big phone and needs to survive in a jeans pocket, logically.
Secondly how bad/ good are the black values in the dark on the ZU? In daylight they seem fine, but in the dark, in bed, watching a movie... Not sure.
Thanks guys.
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About the cracked screen, please be careful. I thought that it could never happen to me (I use all my phones with a lote of care, as they are expensive and difficult to repair on warranty in my country). I took it out of my pants, as hundreds of times before, and a cracked screen greeted me. I've been without my SXZU for one month now, and no easy fix awaits. No warranty from Sony (I showed them those web pages where Sony acknowleges the problem), so I have to pay $600 USD to repair it.
I checked other web sites to buy the part (between $150 to $210), but I'm wary about two themes: 1. The quality of the spare part. And 2. I've been looking for instructions on how to repair it myself and let me tell you, it's not easy at all. You have to take the phone apart to get to the display. So I have to look for an expert. An experts are not cheap.
So, it is easy to break and difficult to repair. But you are living in a country that is known to repair on warranty those screen damages, as long as there is just one crack.
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About the cracked screen, please be careful. I thought that it could never happen to me (I use all my phones with a lote of care, as they are expensive and difficult to repair on warranty in my country). I took it out of my pants, as hundreds of times before, and a cracked screen greeted me. I've been without my SXZU for one month now, and no easy fix awaits. No warranty from Sony (I showed them those web pages where Sony acknowleges the problem), so I have to pay $600 USD to repair it.
I checked other web sites to buy the part (between $150 to $210), but I'm wary about two themes: 1. The quality of the spare part. And 2. I've been looking for instructions on how to repair it myself and let me tell you, it's not easy at all. You have to take the phone apart to get to the display. So I have to look for an expert. An experts are not cheap.
So, it is easy to break and difficult to repair. But you are living in a country that is known to repair on warranty those screen damages, as long as there is just one crack.
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Not sure if the ZU is really easy to break. I asked some reps at the shop about it and they told me the problem was really widespread with the Xperia Z, not the ZU. Some people cracked the ZU, sure, but many have not. Not sure what could have caused yours. Hope it works out for you and next time you should probably get a cheap phone insurance which covers these things.
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Not sure if the ZU is really easy to break. I asked some reps at the shop about it and they told me the problem was really widespread with the Xperia Z, not the ZU. Some people cracked the ZU, sure, but many have not. Not sure what could have caused yours. Hope it works out for you and next time you should probably get a cheap phone insurance which covers these things.
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Agreed...
And if possible, a good case/bumper for it too...
Hi everyone, I had a rather odd issue (if you can call it that) and would love to see if a few of you could maybe try to replicate it.
It's on my recently obtained Galaxy S6 Edge. Whenever I tilt the phone up, down, left, or right, I get this blue tint that appears, it's most noticeable when displaying a white screen.
Also, do the whites on anyone's GS6 or GS6E look a tad yellowish? I upgraded from a One M8 so maybe it's just me still adjusting to 'truer' and less blue whites compared to LCD, but they definitely look a little 'dingy' compared to my M8
Anyways, does anyone else experience either of these things? Should I get a replacement, or am I just nitpicking? (It's probably the last one)
I would recommend downloading a burn in/stuck pixel checker from the play store, and put it on a solid white to check.
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I've got the black one and my display looks exactly the same way. Coming from an iPhone it could just be that I'm also not use to Amoled displays, but idk for sure. Kind of irritating.
Yeah, from what I've read, what we find to be kind of a dingy white is actually more accurate.
But I'm sure we'll get used to it. You're right though, for the time being it is a little annoying.
I could live with it if I didn't see how crystal white it can be when not looking at it from dead on. I may try to swap for a unit that doesn't suffer from the color shifting so badly.
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My thoughts exactly.
I've asked a few people what they thought, and they all seemed to think that the color shift had a more discolored grey/blue color compared to how it looked straight on, and that it looked better straight ahead.
I have minor colorblindness so to me, it looks like a more pure white from a bit of an angle, and more dingy straight on.
Idk, I'll go in to my carrier and compare against the display units when I can.
I will say though, I was in best buy the other day and the display units they had there had the same issue.
Well I got mine at best buy and I don't seem to remember the display units having that but to be fair when I first saw their display units all was thinking was "DAMN!!!!!" it was so beautiful.
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Yeah, I very well could be mistaken.
To be honest, I'm wondering if the display on the standard S6 may be better.
Mine has the same exact effect. T-mobile, 32gb, black edge- Display shows warm, yellowish-white straight on and shifts to cooler blueish-white (preferred) at the slightest of tilts. Love the phone despite some of its quirks but I found this issue to be quite annoying- enough to return it today. My configuration is now on back order via phone support. I'll take that as a sign and keep monitoring if the new batch presents the same issue.
Yeah, I think I decided after a few minutes of pondering in the shower, that I'm going to return my S6 Edge tomorrow, and go for it's standard sibling. it's just to much money to spend for something that not exactly the way I want it, and from what I've heard, the standard S6 has the most well calibrated, accurate display there is.
Anyone know if at&t will charge a restocking fee after 2 days?
Yeah they probably will, cheap bastards, I'm gonna try exchanging for a new one in two weeks. Hopefully by then there will be all new batches without any issues that exist in the current ones. If not then oh well, I like the wrap around display too much to consider the regular s6
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On your phone are the top and bottom cooler in tone than the middle. I could easily live with it if it stayed the same tone from top to bottom but mine really only send warmer in the middle area.
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Just turned on Adaptive Display which seems to make the whole screen more uniform in tone temperature however angles are still a bit of a..... well..... bi*** because they remind me of the pure white coloring I've grown to know so well. But I suppose this is far more livable than before which was almost unbearable (thanks OCD).
May still try to swap for a new unit in a week or so just to see if anything has changed.
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Yeah, I just ran by my carrier (at&t unfortunately ) to compare against the display units there, all of them (including the standard s6) had it just as bad if not worse than mine.
To be totally honest, the whites look most accurate from dead on the more I use the phone. At different angles they look to washed out with blue and unrealistic.
Personally, if I were you, I would just keep your phone, maybe go in to a carrier to see for yourself if you spot any difference in the display models.
No two AMOLED panels are alike, but at least in my case, the one I got is just as good, if not better, than the in store units I saw.
So we bought a few iPhones and an S6E, and held them side by side with max-brightness.
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It was definitely more yellow, guess it got color-corrected, point of the matter is there's a pretty significant color difference. Also found another color difference in the back LED's.
S6 is distinctly yellow.
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So we bought a few iPhones and an S6E, and held them side by side with max-brightness.
It was definitely more yellow, guess it got color-corrected, point of the matter is there's a pretty significant color difference. Also found another color difference in the back LED's.
S6 is distinctly yellow.
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At least your edge's screen looks uniform in tone from top to bottom. I have to use Amoled photo mode for get rid of the difference at the top and bottom and even then there is still some. Plus in this mode colors aren't quite as vibrant.
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Gnarled said:
So we bought a few iPhones and an S6E, and held them side by side with max-brightness.
It was definitely more yellow, guess it got color-corrected, point of the matter is there's a pretty significant color difference. Also found another color difference in the back LED's.
S6 is distinctly yellow.
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From what I've read, the S6 and S6 Edge have the most accurate white balance on a mobile display to date based on an sRBG color gamut.
Could it be that the iphone white balance is simply set much higher (less accurate, but what people are used to)?
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From what I've read, the S6 and S6 Edge have the most accurate white balance on a mobile display to date based on an sRBG color gamut.
Could it be that the iphone white balance is simply set much higher (less accurate, but what people are used to)?
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But if it's a purely white image (that is to say, an image solely comprised of the hex code #FFFFFF), should it not display as close to a true white as possible, rather than a blue/yellow tinged colour?
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But if it's a purely white image (that is to say, an image solely comprised of the hex code #FFFFFF), should it not display as close to a true white as possible, rather than a blue/yellow tinged colour?
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I'm saying that from a sRGB perspective, true white is a little warmer than what the iphone (or most LCDs) show.
If I recall correctly, I think the iPhone is set at a white color temperature of around 7800k, whereas the galaxy S6 is set at 6450k (with basic screen setting). 6500 is perfect white on an sRGB gamut.
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I'm saying that from a sRGB perspective, true white is a little warmer than what the iphone (or most LCDs) show.
If I recall correctly, I think the iPhone is set at a white color temperature of around 7800k, whereas the galaxy S6 is set at 6450k (with basic screen setting). 6500 is perfect white on an sRGB gamut.
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Sounds about right, although I'm actually starting to think my particular display might be a bit off. Definitely getting reddish hues on my whites, whereas I'd imagine a warmer white would be yellow. Way too much variance between each unit.
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Sounds about right, although I'm actually starting to think my particular display might be a bit off. Definitely getting reddish hues on my whites, whereas I'd imagine a warmer white would be yellow. Way too much variance between each unit.
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Yeah, I recommend going into a store and compare
ring against the display units.
I did that today and found that they were all pretty similar in appearance, but if yours is defective you'll definitely know from comparison.
the screen gets bluish when viewing at an angle like those cheap old tv's that you have to watch directly in front. Anybody else notice this? is this normal?
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the screen gets bluish when viewing at an angle like those cheap old tv's that you have to watch directly in front. Anybody else notice this? is this normal?
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first thing i notice about the screen the notice the grainy part at low light. coming from a note 8 it was bothering me like hell the blue tint shifting but now i dont even notice it. i just enjoy the phone and think the screen looks great.
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first thing i notice about the screen the notice the grainy part at low light. coming from a note 8 it was bothering me like hell the blue tint shifting but now i dont even notice it. i just enjoy the phone and think the screen looks great.
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Never had this bluish tint on any phone before. Is there a setting for this? Im gonna wait for more replies to see if this is normal. I have 13 more days to return.
Mine has it but I don't find it to be extreme. I prefer the slight blue hue to some other devices that are slightly pink or yellow at an angle. I have to put my device at an angle I'd rarely (if ever) use to see the blue tint.
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Never had this bluish tint on any phone before. Is there a setting for this? Im gonna wait for more replies to see if this is normal. I have 13 more days to return.
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Actually is "normal".
All reviewers I read in my country (Italy) said something about blueshing whites with different angles, so I think that it's a common issue with the P-OLED technology ATM, so if it's a problem for you change phone and avoid the Pixel XL2 and the V30.
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the screen gets bluish when viewing at an angle like those cheap old tv's that you have to watch directly in front. Anybody else notice this? is this normal?
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No, looking at your phone from an angle is not normal. Most people look at their phones head on.
Settings-Display-Screen Color. If it's on Normal you will see more blue hue. I changed mine to Photo and that reduced the blue significantly. There is a custom setting. Don't know if you tried this yet. If you did and still have an issue, then I don't know what to add...
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Never had this bluish tint on any phone before. Is there a setting for this? Im gonna wait for more replies to see if this is normal. I have 13 more days to return.
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i guess u never had an amoled screen phone. galaxy s6 and s7 suffer from color shifting but samsung has better quality control over their screen since only a few devices has this. LG probably didnt care much about this issue and my guess is that most v30 have this problem. is lg first attempt on oled screen since the flex serious but they really need to work on their panel issue. dont bother exchanging.l since u probably going to get anothe device with same or even worse color shifting. if u cant live with it and want an lg phone, wait for lg g7 and wait for review to pops up.
this issue does not bother me and i already own a s8, s8 plus and note 8. v30 screen might not be good compare to those but to me it still a beautifull screen
on the side note. lg gave us 2 year warranty. maybe a new batch a few month ahead fix this issue and we can do a warranty replacement
This seems relatively widespread, although may be to differing extents, as there are reports of the same blue tint on angle for the pixel 2 xl which also have oled panels by lg
having the phone lying on a table makes me look at it at an angle all the time. this is an issue. Samsungs display are quite advanced over the LG displays it seems.
But I don't change the angle all the time while looking at the screen, so I don't notice it too much.
Also, whenever I don't have a uniform or white background, I hardly notice (although the tint is strong).
e.g. when holding looking from the bottom, which I do often (when it is laying in the table)
Any Ideas, if this will be fixed next year, or is this technology based and remains? (samsung has redish tint, e.g. IphoneX)
You can try these color settings. It seems to help lessen the blue tint. https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/how-to/v30-screen-colors-achieving-d65-white-t3695617
"Screen Color:*
Select Custom and hit the gear icon
Color Temperature: Cooler (slider all the way to the left).
RGB Levels:
Red: maximum
Green: maximum
Blue: MINimum
Result: x=.285, y=.325
If this is too green for you and you're ok with a little more blueness, decrease green until you're happy."
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having the phone lying on a table makes me look at it at an angle all the time. this is an issue. Samsungs display are quite advanced over the LG displays it seems.
But I don't change the angle all the time while looking at the screen, so I don't notice it too much.
Also, whenever I don't have a uniform or white background, I hardly notice (although the tint is strong).
e.g. when holding looking from the bottom, which I do often (when it is laying in the table)
Any Ideas, if this will be fixed next year, or is this technology based and remains? (samsung has redish tint, e.g. IphoneX)
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hardware limitation. Samsung's have it too just much less. i notice it sitting on a table also, so try to angle it right. aside from that it's a nice clean panel. it's 1 of only 2 complaints i have, this and no led. no big deal over here. nicer than my htc10 display, that's for sure. better phone, too.
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hardware limitation. Samsung's have it too just much less. i notice it sitting on a table also, so try to angle it right. aside from that it's a nice clean panel. it's 1 of only 2 complaints i have, this and no led. no big deal over here. nicer than my htc10 display, that's for sure. better phone, too.
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Non-issue.
I look at my display straight on, when it's unlocked.
If I'm not actually holding my phone -- if it's on a table or on tilted Qi wireless charging pad -- then the display is LOCKED and the black & white "Always On Display" is showing me notifications. There's NO blue tint on AOD.
But if I'm holding my own phone and looking at it, reading emails, I couldn't care less about OTHER people not being able to read my screen due to some off-angle, slightly blueish tint. It's none of their business.
Maybe someone will yell at me, "Hey, tell LG to get rid of that off-angle blue tint so I can read YOUR emails better!"
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I actually like that other people standing to the side probably can't read my emails or texts...
When my display is unlocked, I don't hold my phone sideways with the volume buttons pointing towards my eyes. So, I never see any blueish tint...
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Non-issue.
I look at my display straight on, when it's unlocked.
If I'm not actually holding my phone -- if it's on a table or on tilted Qi wireless charging pad -- then the display is LOCKED and the black & white "Always On Display" is showing me notifications. There's NO blue tint on AOD.
But if I'm holding my own phone and looking at it, reading emails, I couldn't care less about OTHER people not being able to read my screen due to some off-angle, slightly blueish tint. It's none of their business.
Maybe someone will yell at me, "Hey, tell LG to get rid of that off-angle blue tint so I can read YOUR emails better!"
I actually like that other people standing to the side probably can't read my emails...
When my display is unlocked, I don't hold my phone sideways with the volume buttons pointing towards my eyes. So, I never see any blueish tint...
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Agreed. It can be pretty severe but doesn't affect me at all as there's no need (for me at least) to look at such a small, handheld device from an angle. Would be an issue if it was a TV obviously. I guess some people might disagree if they need to look at their screen from an angle often for whatever reason, but if that's the case they should definitely go with another model.
Don't call a bug/quality issue a feature... that is just too lame. Of course Samsung has the issue, it tints red, but at a way lower rate. IPS is greater in many ways. Of course not in rich blacks.
Does anybody know if there are any display revisions within the V30? Some reports about the pixel (TheVerge) say that newer phones may be less affected.
The blue tint bothers me, but I really like the phone. Just wish there was a litte less tint.
Anybody know if there are different display versions? qualityise?
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Don't call a bug/quality issue a feature... that is just too lame. Of course Samsung has the issue, it tints red, but at a way lower rate. IPS is greater in many ways. Of course not in rich blacks.
Does anybody know if there are any display revisions within the V30? Some reports about the pixel (TheVerge) say that newer phones may be less affected.
The blue tint bothers me, but I really like the phone. Just wish there was a litte less tint.
Anybody know if there are different display versions? qualityise?
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So the Pixels are now equal to the V30? Because theirs was even bluer than the V30.
I don't see it because I don't look sideways at either of my LG V39/V30+. phone. My wife hasn't said a word about hers either.
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So the Pixels are now equal to the V30? Because theirs was even bluer than the V30.
I don't see it because I don't look sideways at either of my LG V39/V30+. phone. My wife hasn't said a word about hers either.
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take 5 pixel2xl and 5 v30, they are all different in screen quality... that is what bothers me.
maybe they come from several production batches, but technically they are the same.
does anybody know if there are any screen hw revisions on either pixel2xl or v30?
I know that different people have different opinion about quality. some use pc monitors with TN panels... not because they are so nice to look at, but because they are gamers and the panels switch fast.
oled is a promising technology, but LCD is way more mature... If you don't see the tint or if it does not bother you, that is ok for me. but I see it alot, and it bothers me. because I use several devices all day long; and if my personal device looks inferior/different, then I don't like that for the price paid...