I am very close on pulling the trigger on a ZU, coming from a Note II. However, I am quite reluctant to take the plunge because there several serious issues plaguing the ZU, so it seems.
First off, I have heard many nightmare stories about spontaneous cracks that happen for no particular (self inflicted) reason and that it takes weeks to months after to get the phone back and sometimes needing to pay for it. This of course is atrocious service by Sony. I have read a statement from Sony, saying they repair single cracked displays. Anybody experience with this issue and is the ZU really that fragile? It's a big phone and needs to survive in a jeans pocket, logically.
Secondly how bad/ good are the black values in the dark on the ZU? In daylight they seem fine, but in the dark, in bed, watching a movie... Not sure.
Thanks guys.
While I mostly watch comedies or TV shows on my phone and leave more serious watching for my ht room, I never felt bad about the black levels although it's not on par with my previous note phones. My gf is getting note 2 tomorrow so I can take some pics side by side showing the same dark movie scenes.
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Thanks for that, I appreciate it. It would probably be best to take them in a pitch black room, as it would be more accurate. No experience with sudden cracks, eh?
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Thanks for that, I appreciate it. It would probably be best to take them in a pitch black room, as it would be more accurate. No experience with sudden cracks, eh?
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I have only read about two or three guys around here that have cracked their screens, so it doesn't look like it's a widespread issue. It is a 6.4" sheet of thin glass though, so you should be careful with it no matter what. The screen is an LCD, so you won't get deep blacks in the dark, since LCDs have a backlight (LED). AMOLEDs don't have that, so that's why you get those deep blacks. Even my old Galaxy Note had a grey-ish black when i used it in the dark, since light from the neighbouring pixels would illuminate the area around.
The blacks looks good in normal light, but it won't look that black in a dark room. That's just how the technology works.
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I have only read about two or three guys around here that have cracked their screens, so it doesn't look like it's a widespread issue. It is a 6.4" sheet of thin glass though, so you should be careful with it no matter what. The screen is an LCD, so you won't get deep blacks in the dark, since LCDs have a backlight (LED). AMOLEDs don't have that, so that's why you get those deep blacks. Even my old Galaxy Note had a grey-ish black when i used it in the dark, since light from the neighbouring pixels would illuminate the area around.
The blacks looks good in normal light, but it won't look that black in a dark room. That's just how the technology works.
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Thanks for your thorough reply :good: Regarding the sudden cracks, people blame the design for it, that the power button placement is the culprit. I.e. the enclosure not being strong enough and it's a design fault. Where I'm from, Holland, there was a tv show that shined a light on the many Xperia screens that cracked, particularly the Z. Hundreds of people had this issue and basically Sony left them out in the cold for weeks to months, saying there wasn't such a problem. We all know they released a statement where they state otherwise and single cracks will (no impact) be repaired under warranty. I am not eager to grab the ZU from my pocket one day and welcomed by a 'sudden crack'. This of course is a risk and a risk any adopter takes.
Regarding the black values, how is the quality of HD content in the dark, I mean are the blacks 'good enough'?
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Thanks for your thorough reply :good: Regarding the sudden cracks, people blame the design for it, that the power button placement is the culprit. I.e. the enclosure not being strong enough and it's a design fault. Where I'm from, Holland, there was a tv show that shined a light on the many Xperia screens that cracked, particularly the Z. Hundreds of people had this issue and basically Sony left them out in the cold for weeks to months, saying there wasn't such a problem. We all know they released a statement where they state otherwise and single cracks will (no impact) be repaired under warranty. I am not eager to grab the ZU from my pocket one day and welcomed by a 'sudden crack'. This of course is a risk and a risk any adopter takes.
Regarding the black values, how is the quality of HD content in the dark, I mean are the blacks 'good enough'?
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You'll just have to take the chance at this point, but it shouldn't be an issue at all. If it was, you'd be seeing a lot more people complaining around here. Regarding the HD quality in the dark, i don't think you'll have any complaints. The colors and the screen is overall fantastic, but it may take a few watches to get used to the more natural colors if you're used to AMOLED, which in most cases makes everything look fake.
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You'll just have to take the chance at this point, but it shouldn't be an issue at all. If it was, you'd be seeing a lot more people complaining around here. Regarding the HD quality in the dark, i don't think you'll have any complaints. The colors and the screen is overall fantastic, but it may take a few watches to get used to the more natural colors if you're used to AMOLED, which in most cases makes everything look fake.
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You're absolutely correct on both counts. I need to take the plunge. Yesterday at Mediamarkt the ZU had a dead battery so that didn't help me taking a look at the screen. I will be doing that today at some other stores.
You're absolutely right regarding the samoled screens, they made my eyes adapt to very cartooney color reproduction. Sure it can make everything pop and the blacks are overall (not always) great, but realistic...no. I'm hoping the ZU is the middle road between the sammy's samoled and the somewhat boring IPS displays we see in LG or HTC.
Follow up: So I went on my bike to the city in the worst storm, with rain, hail and thunder, but I conquered the elements, only to be greeted in the end by the marvelous ZU. I saw it yesterday in white and today in black and damn it looks so damn classy in black. A phablet from the future. The screen is pretty much insane, a middle road as I expected, between samoled and LCD IPS. I watched some movie trailer and everything seemed insanely sharp and crisp, with natural realistic color tones.
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You're absolutely correct on both counts. I need to take the plunge. Yesterday at Mediamarkt the ZU had a dead battery so that didn't help me taking a look at the screen. I will be doing that today at some other stores.
You're absolutely right regarding the samoled screens, they made my eyes adapt to very cartooney color reproduction. Sure it can make everything pop and the blacks are overall (not always) great, but realistic...no. I'm hoping the ZU is the middle road between the sammy's samoled and the somewhat boring IPS displays we see in LG or HTC.
Follow up: So I went on my bike to the city in the worst storm, with rain, hail and thunder, but I conquered the elements, only to be greeted in the end by the marvelous ZU. I saw it yesterday in white and today in black and damn it looks so damn classy in black. A phablet from the future. The screen is pretty much insane, a middle road as I expected, between samoled and LCD IPS. I watched some movie trailer and everything seemed insanely sharp and crisp, with natural realistic color tones.
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I'm pretty sure you'll only get one opinion out of us here. Which is take the plunge!
I took the plunge so far I've even got two of the bloody ultras!
It's a long story.
I've come from a Galaxy Note, Galaxy Note II, and Galaxy S4.
I'm far happier with my Ultra. You will be too!
Alright so a final question regarding contrast, black levels that is, how is it for you guys? Especially in pitch black (at night, while watching videos)? Erica Griffin, who is also a XDA member, posted her review on the ZU on Youtube and mentioned her pretty bad contrast level of 680:1, whereas others have a ratio of 1000:1 and above. What are your findings? The Youtube time link can be found here:
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Alright so a final question regarding contrast, black levels that is, how is it for you guys? Especially in pitch black (at night, while watching videos)? Erica Griffin, who is also a XDA member, posted her review on the ZU on Youtube and mentioned her pretty bad contrast level of 680:1, whereas others have a ratio of 1000:1 and above. What are your findings? The Youtube time link can be found here:
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I can't meassure my screen since i have idea how to do it, but remember that it's an LCD, so black won't be black in a dark room. It'll be gray. My friends brand new Samsung Galaxy TabPro has an LCD, and it's the same story there. Even AMOLEDs won't be pitch black in dark places. It'll be darker, but not completely black.
I don't know what else to tell you. You'll have to just check it out yourself and see if it's something you can live with or not. I watch tv shows on my Ultra every night in bed, and i'm not complaining.
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I can't meassure my screen since i have idea how to do it, but remember that it's an LCD, so black won't be black in a dark room. It'll be gray. My friends brand new Samsung Galaxy TabPro has an LCD, and it's the same story there. Even AMOLEDs won't be pitch black in dark places. It'll be darker, but not completely black.
I don't know what else to tell you. You'll have to just check it out yourself and see if it's something you can live with or not. I watch tv shows on my Ultra every night in bed, and i'm not complaining.
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Yeah the tech between amoled and lcd is vastly different, which results in various color/brightness traits. It seems there were two different panels used for the ZU, namely the AUO and Sharp, as seen on this image. Perhaps this is why there is a different contrast ratio across the board.
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Even AMOLEDs won't be pitch black in dark places. It'll be darker, but not completely black.
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I disagree. On my Note 2 black is completely, 100% black.
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I disagree. On my Note 2 black is completely, 100% black.
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That would be impossible since there is still a small current flowing through the pixels, so they are never really off. But yes, closest to black as possible.
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That would be impossible since there is still a small current flowing through the pixels, so they are never really off. But yes, closest to black as possible.
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Oh okay. I thought, that they are completely turned off, as Wikipedia states.
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Oh okay. I thought, that they are completely turned off, as Wikipedia states.
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That would cause smearing, sadly, as seen with the Note 3. They fixed that later, not completely turned off.
gideonMorrison said:
I am very close on pulling the trigger on a ZU, coming from a Note II. However, I am quite reluctant to take the plunge because there several serious issues plaguing the ZU, so it seems.
First off, I have heard many nightmare stories about spontaneous cracks that happen for no particular (self inflicted) reason and that it takes weeks to months after to get the phone back and sometimes needing to pay for it. This of course is atrocious service by Sony. I have read a statement from Sony, saying they repair single cracked displays. Anybody experience with this issue and is the ZU really that fragile? It's a big phone and needs to survive in a jeans pocket, logically.
Secondly how bad/ good are the black values in the dark on the ZU? In daylight they seem fine, but in the dark, in bed, watching a movie... Not sure.
Thanks guys.
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About the cracked screen, please be careful. I thought that it could never happen to me (I use all my phones with a lote of care, as they are expensive and difficult to repair on warranty in my country). I took it out of my pants, as hundreds of times before, and a cracked screen greeted me. I've been without my SXZU for one month now, and no easy fix awaits. No warranty from Sony (I showed them those web pages where Sony acknowleges the problem), so I have to pay $600 USD to repair it.
I checked other web sites to buy the part (between $150 to $210), but I'm wary about two themes: 1. The quality of the spare part. And 2. I've been looking for instructions on how to repair it myself and let me tell you, it's not easy at all. You have to take the phone apart to get to the display. So I have to look for an expert. An experts are not cheap.
So, it is easy to break and difficult to repair. But you are living in a country that is known to repair on warranty those screen damages, as long as there is just one crack.
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About the cracked screen, please be careful. I thought that it could never happen to me (I use all my phones with a lote of care, as they are expensive and difficult to repair on warranty in my country). I took it out of my pants, as hundreds of times before, and a cracked screen greeted me. I've been without my SXZU for one month now, and no easy fix awaits. No warranty from Sony (I showed them those web pages where Sony acknowleges the problem), so I have to pay $600 USD to repair it.
I checked other web sites to buy the part (between $150 to $210), but I'm wary about two themes: 1. The quality of the spare part. And 2. I've been looking for instructions on how to repair it myself and let me tell you, it's not easy at all. You have to take the phone apart to get to the display. So I have to look for an expert. An experts are not cheap.
So, it is easy to break and difficult to repair. But you are living in a country that is known to repair on warranty those screen damages, as long as there is just one crack.
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Not sure if the ZU is really easy to break. I asked some reps at the shop about it and they told me the problem was really widespread with the Xperia Z, not the ZU. Some people cracked the ZU, sure, but many have not. Not sure what could have caused yours. Hope it works out for you and next time you should probably get a cheap phone insurance which covers these things.
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Not sure if the ZU is really easy to break. I asked some reps at the shop about it and they told me the problem was really widespread with the Xperia Z, not the ZU. Some people cracked the ZU, sure, but many have not. Not sure what could have caused yours. Hope it works out for you and next time you should probably get a cheap phone insurance which covers these things.
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Agreed...
And if possible, a good case/bumper for it too...
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What does screen bleed look like? I got my new C3 serial model and I see white coming out on the sides when the screens all black? Please don't tell me that's it on my 2nd friggin prime!!!
Yup, thats bleed.
Since you have a C3, have you tested your Wifi/BT speeds at the same time? Just curious how yours is performing.
I haven't tested **** yet because I finally got it updated to 21. I'm so pissed. I can't believe I have to send yet another prime back. Are u ****ing kidding me
Is it really bad? Possible to take a pic for us?
Mine has some along the right side but since everything else works on mine cept GPS I live with it.. C3's are supposed to be good batch but looks like they're like the others as well..
Mostly on the right side.
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Once you posted these pics, I had a look at mine too. I too have a screen bleed ( I think two of them) on the right end of the screen. Now I can nitpick, rant and rave and all as much as I want, saying that I payed $500 of my hard earned cash that it better work 100% well. But guess what, its been a month since I got my device and so far I have never, ever noticed this. I watched a couple of movies too, but never noticed it. So, though technically there may be some flaws in my device, for all practical purposes it is unnoticeable and okay. I believe screen bleed is due to the screen being screwed a bit too tightly, so it is technically not a hardware issue, it is just a slight fitting issue which can be fixed if you open your device and tinker.
Similarly, my prime has 2 bright pixels (dead pixels that is). Still, I have never been bothered by it. Now, I may obsess about the screen bleed for a few days (because I just discovered a new "defect" in my prime thanks to you! nah, I'm joking, it's cool! ) but still I'm not gonna notice it.
Now your screen bleed seems benign too! If you notice it often, return it else keep it! As simple as that, bro!
\m/ Btw, my prime is a C1... Peace!
Sorry to see that man, that definitely looks worse than mine..and with a C3 you def got a right to be upset
You know, I lurk on ipad forums a lot. There's no question that almost all if not all ipads out there have back light bleed to some degree. And yet, ipad users don't really care about it since most people don't notice it until someone else points it out to them.
And yet on this side of the fence android users would cry bloody murder and make it out like it's the end of the world just because in a completely dark room with a device that is showing a completely black picture you can see some light coming from the corners.
For those who think backlight bleed is the end of the world, please do us all a favor and get a normal lcd display tablet. Or go get the ipad.
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What does screen bleed look like? I got my new C3 serial model and I see white coming out on the sides when the screens all black? Please don't tell me that's it on my 2nd friggin prime!!!
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90% of all LCDs have some form of screen bleed. TVs, Laptops, LCD monitors, iPads, etc. The reality is that it is just a consequence of the technology.
Unless you have incredibly prominent screen bleed that is distracting when the screen is not all black, or distracting enough to notice while watching dark movies, I wouldn't worry about it much.
From the photos you posted I don't think you have much to complain about.
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You know, I lurk on ipad forums a lot. There's no question that almost all if not all ipads out there have back light bleed to some degree. And yet, ipad users don't really care about it since most people don't notice it until someone else points it out to them.
And yet on this side of the fence android users would cry bloody murder and make it out like it's the end of the world just because in a completely dark room with a device that is showing a completely black picture you can see some light coming from the corners.
For those who think backlight bleed is the end of the world, please do us all a favor and get a normal lcd display tablet. Or go get the ipad.
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I remember seeing this post on tf101 forums
goodintentions said:
You know, I lurk on ipad forums a lot. There's no question that almost all if not all ipads out there have back light bleed to some degree. And yet, ipad users don't really care about it since most people don't notice it until someone else points it out to them.
And yet on this side of the fence android users would cry bloody murder and make it out like it's the end of the world just because in a completely dark room with a device that is showing a completely black picture you can see some light coming from the corners.
For those who think backlight bleed is the end of the world, please do us all a favor and get a normal lcd display tablet. Or go get the ipad.
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I have an ipad2 and the new ipad with no lightbleeds. But the early primes I bought 3 of the 5 primes had definite light bleeds on more that 1 area and 1 had dead pixels. This is from my experience. Maybe I just have the worst luck with the prime like a few of the members here.
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I have an ipad2 and the new ipad with no lightbleeds. But the early primes I bought 3 of the 5 primes had definite light bleeds on more that 1 area and 1 had dead pixels. This is from my experience. Maybe I just have the worst luck with the prime like a few of the members here.
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I have a tf101 32gig model and just bought a prime. It's got absolutely no light bleed whatsoever. It locks onto the gps in about 30 seconds and always sees at least 8 sats, sometimes 10-12, at any given time. Neither my transformers have any light bleed at all. My 16gig model did have some light bleed, though. Last year, I bought an ipad and ipad 2 and they both got light bleeds.
There have been plenty of articles regarding light bleeds on the ipads and that chances are if you got light bleed and want to exchange for another you will get another with light bleed.
All ips display devices are prone to backlight bleeds. Most people don't care about it because it's hardly noticable. Only a few people like yourself think it's the end of the world.
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I remember seeing this post on tf101 forums
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You got me LOL.
I am now officially a proud owner of a prime with a fully working gps, strong as hell wifi signal, and no back light bleed whatsoever. Can't wait for the dock to arrive.
yeah my wifi works too and my gps is fine for the most part, was on my first unit too - this unit has a tiny bleed but it's barely worth mentioning compared to the amount of bleeds the tf101 had. Alot of people around here really can't appreciate how much better this tablet is over the original transformer.
Do you really notice that bleeding with normal use? Mine had this:
Which really has those bright spots, but this seems pretty gentle, however it shouldn't be there..
That screen bleed from the op doesnt look bad at all...
Room looks pitch black, and thats all you see. I can guarantee you can't see that during normal operation.
Op: your screen bleed actually is not that bad. I would not take another chance sending it back because you might get worse.
It took me 3 times before I got one that was tolerable. But then I opened my prime and fixed it by loosening some screws.
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Op: your screen bleed actually is not that bad. I would not take another chance sending it back because you might get worse.
It took me 3 times before I got one that was tolerable. But then I opened my prime and fixed it by loosening some screws.
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how do you open it, and is it hard and/or dangerous?
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how do you open it, and is it hard and/or dangerous?
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Here is a link to the instructions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1479664
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Here is a link to the instructions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1479664
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yeah it is very easy. Just follow instructions on some forums on xda. Also some say to insert tie prying tool at the to release. But I recommend the right side if the prime by the headphone Jack. Much easier.
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Some time ago I noticed that, in some very special situations, like under direct and strong artificial/sun light and a particular angle, I'm able to see a couple of small, very faint spots, kinda similar to those left by dried moisture (like a drop of water) underneath the screen. At first I though it was my bad for putting on a wet screen protector, but just the other day I had a look at the device of a friend of mine (no protector wahtsoever), and looking closely I found similar spots, just not two but a single and bigger one. This got me a bit puzzled, so I decided to take a look at a third device, this time a demo unit in a shop, and guess what? Also that one had a similar mark right in the middle of the screen.
Now, not that this bothers me much, since you can't actually see it unless you really try (I can't even catch it with a camera), but I'd love to know from you guys if this is a common "flaw" or I just happened to grab a "flawed" handful of devices...
Yup, I have these dark patches. You can see them sometimes if you look at a particular angle when the phone is booting up. I can't see them any other time though
I can see dark patches when the screen is dimmed, especially at night, I can't see it any other times, Nokia returned it to me because they couldn't see it. So they asked to send it in again, it took them ten days to just flash a ROM....I was pissed as it is.
When the Display is off I can sometimes see some "blacker" areas on the screen. According to Nokia These are splices where the glass is somehow glued to the display.
Thank you guys, at least I feel a little better about it now...anyway it still puzzles me how this is the first device I own in years with this kind of issue, and I really had many, both resistive and capacitive, with or without gorilla and even made of plastic. I mean this isn't really a flaw, but knowing it's there annoys me. Damn, maybe I should really just stop being so OCD with my devices, it hurts
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Thank you guys, at least I feel a little better about it now...anyway it still puzzles me how this is the first device I own in years with this kind of issue, and I really had many, both resistive and capacitive, with or without gorilla and even made of plastic. I mean this isn't really a flaw, but knowing it's there annoys me. Damn, maybe I should really just stop being so OCD with my devices, it hurts
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I still would class it as a fault, it makes my eyes burn.
Are you speaking about the spots which are visible in the dark if the screen is black?
I saw them when I did my screen black in diagnostics app - lcd test.
So I took a picture of "black" screen with long exposure (iso 400, 30 seconds exposure) and show it in nokia care service. Week after I got new display
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Are you speaking about the spots which are visible in the dark if the screen is black?
I saw them when I did my screen black in diagnostics app - lcd test.
So I took a picture of "black" screen with long exposure (iso 400, 30 seconds exposure) and show it in nokia care service. Week after I got new display
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Actually those aren't really "spots", it's some sort of light leak that all amoled devices have when displaying plain black: even if all the leds are supposed to be off there's still some electricity going through them. I had that on all of my amoled devices, on my Desire, on my SGS2 and on my Omnia W as well, it doesn't look that great but it's fine I guess. Weird that you still managed to get the screen replaced, maybe your unit actually had some excessive light leak.
Here I'm talking about a different thing, given that you have them you should be able to see those spots I described even with the device completely off if you keep it under a strong light and at the right angle.
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Actually those aren't really "spots", it's some sort of light leak that all amoled devices have when displaying plain black: even if all the leds are supposed to be off there's still some electricity going through them. I had that on all of my amoled devices, on my Desire, on my SGS2 and on my Omnia W as well, it doesn't look that great but it's fine I guess. Weird that you still managed to get the screen replaced, maybe your unit actually had some excessive light leak.
Here I'm talking about a different thing, given that you have them you should be able to see those spots I described even with the device completely off if you keep it under a strong light and at the right angle.
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Can't reproduce that. I look closely but see nothing special.
Though, as Russian proverb says - the less you know the stronger you sleep
Here is a picture of screen with the spots I was posting about.
So, if anyone have scratched screen as I had, it is a good reason to get repair
PS note that picture was taken with long exposure. Actually my eyes need to get used to darkness to see glow.
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Can't reproduce that. I look closely but see nothing special.
Though, as Russian proverb says - the less you know the stronger you sleep
Here is a picture of screen with the spots I was posting about.
So, if anyone have scratched screen as I had, it is a good reason to get repair
PS note that picture was taken with long exposure. Actually my eyes need to get used to darkness to see glow.
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Yeah that's it, the good old light leak
Anyway the picture you took being overexposed gives the impression of a huge issue, so I guess they replaced the screen right after looking at that, even tho in normal darkness conditions it's definitely not so annoying. Good for you that you managed to get it replaced anyway
lol a 30 second exposure will bring out the worst of the display. I can understand they replaced it after showing that image that sort of tricks them because it will never be even close to that visible to the naked eye.
Completely normal for AMOLED displays.
And i was hoping for something without light bleed, aaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
Just read Engadgets full review of the nexus 10, generally sounds good, but light bleed is my one bug bare, and yes its there, and they confirmed it on a second device aswell!
Sooo close!
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And i was hoping for something without light bleed, aaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
Just read Engadgets full review of the nexus 10, generally sounds good, but light bleed is my one bug bare, and yes its there, and they confirmed it on a second device aswell!
Sooo close!
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Calm down slick. Even two devices doesn't mean that every product off the line will have it. Unless they had checked 20 devices and every one had the same problem, I'm not writing of the device. There are defects. Some people have Nexus 7's with no light bleed, others have it with some light bleed.
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Calm down slick. Even two devices doesn't mean that every product off the line will have it. Unless they had checked 20 devices and every one had the same problem, I'm not writing of the device. There are defects. Some people have Nexus 7's with no light bleed, others have it with some light bleed.
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I'm hoping they were slightly lower quality review devices! PLEASEEEEEEEEEE,
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I'm hoping they were slightly lower quality review devices! PLEASEEEEEEEEEE,
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Of the 5 reviews so far only Engadget mentioned leakage, everyone else is highly satisfied with the screen. Cnet mentioned these are presale models being tested, so let's just wait for the final version.
With the new Nexus 10 coming out, I strongly believe Apple is going downhill. I do not want to be cynical but had Steve been still alive, this would have never happened. When I saw the Ipad Mini, I thought "This is going to be my first Apple product, though expensive". Then Google announced Nexus 10. Everything changed dramatically. I want Google, and nothing but the Google, so help me God(if any)!!!
Light bleed is kind of a big deal to me too. I don't care about anything being really much over 1920x1080 (although it has to be at least 300PPI for me with Pentile displays, I can still see it), but light bleed might be the deal breaker here when I see this thing. It is not like I absolutely need a tablet with a good desktop, laptop, and phone. I'd be getting it for media and browsing around the house and workplace where screen quality will be the #1 focus.
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Light bleed is kind of a big deal to me too. I don't care about anything being really much over 1920x1080 (although it has to be at least 300PPI for me with Pentile displays, I can still see it), but light bleed might be the deal breaker here when I see this thing. It is not like I absolutely need a tablet with a good desktop, laptop, and phone. I'd be getting it for media and browsing around the house and workplace where screen quality will be the #1 focus.
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+1 Can't stand light bleed.
It seems that the contrast is nothing special either, but that's because it's not as bright as other tablets. The black level looks decent according to the tests.
D: ohh lol i hate light bleeds
Does warranty cover light bleeding?
Any LCD with a backlight will suffer from light bleed to some extent even the iPad3 retina (just Google for the pictures). Obviously, something to check for and exchange if it's significant. The pictures on The Verge don't show any signs of it and the pixel level comparison shows the Nexus 10 display to be superior in black level, colors and sharpness against retina.
What is the brightness of the screen, anyway?
There is a firestorm going on over at Engadget over this review. The same reviewer wrote the iPad mini review and fawned over it but nitpicks the Nexus 10. Engadget has been deleting posts that point out the flaws in the review (and back it up with evidence).
I wouldn't put too much stock in this review, but it's always a good idea to be skeptical.
What is exactly "light bleed"?
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What is exactly "light bleed"?
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When the spread of the backlight is uneven, so parts of the screen are brighter than others.
I always thought light bleed was the presence of light when there shouldn't be any. Like when you're watching a movie in portrait view, and the black bars on top and bottom show light. That's why I haven't wasted much time with IPS in the last couple years ever since discovering Samsung's AMOLEDs. Uneven backlighting is a different and even worse artifact, and again it only affects non-AMOLED screens.
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I always thought light bleed was the presence of light when there shouldn't be any. Like when you're watching a movie in portrait view, and the black bars on top and bottom show light. That's why I haven't wasted much time with IPS in the last couple years ever since discovering Samsung's AMOLEDs. Uneven backlighting is a different and even worse artifact, and again it only affects non-AMOLED screens.
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Seems like they both have pros and cons. Amoled displays have high risk of tint, I experienced this in my s2 for about a year until I finally got a replacement. This one portrays whites much better, or at least now it does. Aside from that you have all benefits, thin capacitive touch layer, vibrant colors (I don't give a **** if they're over saturated, they look great and that's what matters), no risk of light bleed, and huge potential battery savings. In my personal opinion I would take an amoled panel any day. I mean, displays like the super lcd2 in the one x are brilliant, but come on,, have you seen the note 2 on dynamic settings ?
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Wished Samsung had gone with SAMOLED. Without a backlight there's no backlight bleed, ghosting, uniformity, etc. issues.
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Wished Samsung had gone with SAMOLED. Without a backlight there's no backlight bleed, ghosting, uniformity, etc. issues.
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The technology is not there yet, nor is the economy. They simply can't produce a 2560x1680 OLED panel, 10" or otherwise, at a price anyone would be willing to pay.
Look at the PenTile "tricks" they have to pull on Galaxy phones as an indicator of how they're struggling with the tech, look at the very high cost of the Tab 7.7 to see how expensive it gets when you increase size, and to further reinforce that look at the ludicrous price of their big screen SAMOLED televisions compared to LCD and plasma.
Give it a few more years, it'll be feasible, and Samsung is surely working very hard on the problem, since they have a lot invested in pretty much owning the OLED market.
You're right. This is going to be the best 10" screen for the next 6-12 months. Yes it won't look as good as the screen on my S3 but I will be more than happy with it.
8 days and counting!
Hopefully a PCWorld/Currys near me will have it ready to take away!
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Something I noticed a few weeks ago...
When I have my screen brightness set on the higher end, I see these green dots.
With the power and screen both on, and when the display is trying to show black, I am finding these green dots and specs.
The size of these dots are tiny, probably a pixel or two at most. They are clustered mostly in the inner 50% of the centre of the screen.I have not counted them but we are talking about a few hundred.
At first I thought it was dust or something under the glass, but noticed that with the screen off, it cannot be seen, and when the screen is white background, it cannot be seen either.
It is more noticeable when watching videos. If you crank up the brightness during a scene at night, let's say, it is almost unbearable.
Does anybody else suffer this?
Faulty pixels, you can get it exchanged.
I used the dead pixel app from Google play, where it flicks through many monotone color screens, one of them being black.
And as explained before, I see the green pixels on the pure black screen.
The strange thing is, the research I have done on dead pixels, hot pixels or stuck pixels tells me a different description to what i am seeing.
I see no problems at all during other color screens of the dead pixel test...only the black.
Do I have a uniquely malfunctioning unit, it are others or there?
If you have some spare time on your hands, could you try searching for dead pixel test in Google play and try it out?
No faulty pixels on mine. I think I've seen only one or two other similar reports.
But no matter if the pixels are dead, hot or stuck, it's hardware fault and I'm sure you can get your tablet replaced without a problem.
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And as explained before, I see the green pixels on the pure black screen.
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How about showing us ? - Just take a photo after placing a small piece of paper next to the spots - so your camera gets something for focusing on correctly.
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How about showing us ? - Just take a photo after placing a small piece of paper next to the spots - so your camera gets something for focusing on correctly.
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This is the best I can do.
I used mx player, with max brightness.
When the brightness is set 3/4 of the way, it starts to become visible.
P.S. dumb question. How do people manage to paste pic direct in the posts?
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/752546pt4n6l2o5/DSC_0426.JPG
This is the best I can do.
I used mx player, with max brightness.
When the brightness is set 3/4 of the way, it starts to become visible.
P.S. dumb question. How do people manage to paste pic direct in the posts?
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Your screen also looks a bit distorted from looking at that playback bar. Yeah, you should just go ahead and get your tablet replaced, no hassle.
And wrap your image link between a
tag. Or just use the image button in the reply editor.
I noticed this problem too on my tablet but not to the same extent. Have you replaced yours?
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I noticed this problem too on my tablet but not to the same extent. Have you replaced yours?
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Not yet, but I will. It has been a while since the original post, but I think it is getting worse. It has spread to a wider area. I contacted service center in Hong Kong and they told me that it should only take 3 hours to replace the lcd. So I will fly there nervy week and get it fixed.
Better to have it done while still under warranty..
I will report one done.
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Not yet, but I will. It has been a while since the original post, but I think it is getting worse. It has spread to a wider area. I contacted service center in Hong Kong and they told me that it should only take 3 hours to replace the lcd. So I will fly there nervy week and get it fixed.
Better to have it done while still under warranty..
I will report one done.
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I sent mine in but they did nothing at the problem. They sent it back within two days claiming there is no problem and that they had updated firmware (which they could not have done since I did it before I sent it in lol...)
I called support again and they in return will call the repairshop asking what they actually did to my tablet. Most likely (if everything turns out ok) I will have to send it in again (which is still is annoying) and hopefully they will notice the problem this time.
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I sent mine in but they did nothing at the problem. They sent it back within two days claiming there is no problem and that they had updated firmware (which they could not have done since I did it before I sent it in lol...)
I called support again and they in return will call the repairshop asking what they actually did to my tablet. Most likely (if everything turns out ok) I will have to send it in again (which is still is annoying) and hopefully they will notice the problem this time.
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Which County are you?
Not to defend Sony in any way, but it can be difficult to spot the problem when the screen brightness is anything below 50%.
I notice my problems in the following scenarios.
1) when I boot up the tablet, first the Sony logo. Here you can see it a bit because the background is black. But it gets a lot worse when moving into the next screen during 'Xperia'. Here the brightness is turned up, making it extremely noticeable.
2) when I am trying to watch a movie outside or in a bright place making my screen reflect, forcing me to turn the brightness up above 70% mark...
3) when I am using my tablet in pitch dark... Even in low brightness setting it can be noticed. Especially bad when the movie scene I am watching is for example night time and thus naturally contains a lot of black on the screen.
Anyway, thanks for your info. Before I submit my tablet, I will make sure the recipient sees and understand the problem and get that person to attach a note to describe it for the repair crew.
Judging by the lack of response to this thread, we seem to have encountered a rare problem.
jewelkobayashi said:
Which County are you?
Not to defend Sony in any way, but it can be difficult to spot the problem when the screen brightness is anything below 50%.
I notice my problems in the following scenarios.
1) when I boot up the tablet, first the Sony logo. Here you can see it a bit because the background is black. But it gets a lot worse when moving into the next screen during 'Xperia'. Here the brightness is turned up, making it extremely noticeable.
2) when I am trying to watch a movie outside or in a bright place making my screen reflect, forcing me to turn the brightness up above 70% mark...
3) when I am using my tablet in pitch dark... Even in low brightness setting it can be noticed. Especially bad when the movie scene I am watching is for example night time and thus naturally contains a lot of black on the screen.
Anyway, thanks for your info. Before I submit my tablet, I will make sure the recipient sees and understand the problem and get that person to attach a note to describe it for the repair crew.
Judging by the lack of response to this thread, we seem to have encountered a rare problem.
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Im from Sweden.
Yeah well I thought I was pretty clear on my instructions regarding how to notice the problem but you might be right. Mine isnt visible much when in use (apart from dark background with 100% brightness) and in dark enviroments.
Right now Im waiting for Sony Xperia support to call me telling me what the next step is. They wanted me to take a picture of them problem however its good to get a good print (picture is easy but printing it is harder ).
I have seen another thread regarding this at Sony Talk forum but that might be you aswell?
/ Henrik
Skogstoken said:
Im from Sweden.
Yeah well I thought I was pretty clear on my instructions regarding how to notice the problem but you might be right. Mine isnt visible much when in use (apart from dark background with 100% brightness) and in dark enviroments.
Right now Im waiting for Sony Xperia support to call me telling me what the next step is. They wanted me to take a picture of them problem however its good to get a good print (picture is easy but printing it is harder ).
I have seen another thread regarding this at Sony Talk forum but that might be you aswell?
/ Henrik
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UPDATE
I flew into HK last night and went straight to Xperia care centre this morning.
I did not need to mention anything, I showed him the green dots (he called them dead pixels) and took it in immediately.
Judging by his reaction (his English was not very good) it was not the first time he had seen this on the Z2 tablet, and seemed to ask no further.
I showed receipt from purchase, he gave me a form to sign, and I was told to come back in 4 hours.
I came back after 4 hours, and everything was perfect.
I wasn't sure at the time, but it involves replacing the whole front display unit. The LCD screen and outer glass seem to be one piece, because everything was changed.
just a pain that the screen protector was gone with the old screen, so I needed to go and buy new, and that they had to factory reset... one click root and Titanium backup will come in handy...
All in all, my first ever Sony repair experience was professional, efficient and stress free.
jewelkobayashi said:
UPDATE
I flew into HK last night and went straight to Xperia care centre this morning.
I did not need to mention anything, I showed him the green dots (he called them dead pixels) and took it in immediately.
Judging by his reaction (his English was not very good) it was not the first time he had seen this on the Z2 tablet, and seemed to ask no further.
I showed receipt from purchase, he gave me a form to sign, and I was told to come back in 4 hours.
I came back after 4 hours, and everything was perfect.
I wasn't sure at the time, but it involves replacing the whole front display unit. The LCD screen and outer glass seem to be one piece, because everything was changed.
just a pain that the screen protector was gone with the old screen, so I needed to go and buy new, and that they had to factory reset... one click root and Titanium backup will come in handy...
All in all, my first ever Sony repair experience was professional, efficient and stress free.
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Glad to hear that everything turned out ok for you. I have sent mine back and it will soon be at the repair shop (i can track the package). Hopefully they will be able to spot the problem this time otherwise I will be mad.. ;(.
I will update the thread with the result!
Let us know how it goes! I have the same issue, but being here in the United States it will be difficult to send it back to an HK service center....
I have the same problem, im about to call xperia support cause, i need this fix this, i get my tablet to do my homeworks and projects, but mine is around all the lcd i hope they can replace mine
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Let us know how it goes! I have the same issue, but being here in the United States it will be difficult to send it back to an HK service center....
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I just happened to have a business trip to Hk coming up so I didn't need to send it in, but when I initially discovered the problem and called Sony Hk, they told me that sending it by registered mail or FedEx was an option.
The Chap on the phone told me to start an email correspondence with support team, who would then provide me with step by step instruction on how to send my tablet in.
For me at the time it was not an option, only because the receipt/proof of purchase was left in my office along with the box in Hk...
Since my tablet was repaired in 3 hours or so, if things go smoothly you might get your tablet back within the week (although it sucks that you have to pay courier 2-way)
Just wanted to say that the 2nd time I sent it for service they replaced the screen and now it looks ok!
I had to write a detailed description of the problem and I also added a printed picture which showed the dots, aswell as a link to an uploaded img. I guess that made them realize.
Lets hope it can stay like this now...
I just wanted to share about mine xperia z2 tablet.I had the same pixel problem, bought the tablet in abay Germany, got it to local service canter in Latvia. They got in touch with Sony and I got complete SWAP. For now it looks ok, I am usingthe new tablet for 2 weeks,lets see what will happen.
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Took mine in today for screen and constant reboots got a text saying it would be completed within five days but not what they were going to do so fingers crossed
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the screen gets bluish when viewing at an angle like those cheap old tv's that you have to watch directly in front. Anybody else notice this? is this normal?
Darkweasel1981 said:
the screen gets bluish when viewing at an angle like those cheap old tv's that you have to watch directly in front. Anybody else notice this? is this normal?
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first thing i notice about the screen the notice the grainy part at low light. coming from a note 8 it was bothering me like hell the blue tint shifting but now i dont even notice it. i just enjoy the phone and think the screen looks great.
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first thing i notice about the screen the notice the grainy part at low light. coming from a note 8 it was bothering me like hell the blue tint shifting but now i dont even notice it. i just enjoy the phone and think the screen looks great.
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Never had this bluish tint on any phone before. Is there a setting for this? Im gonna wait for more replies to see if this is normal. I have 13 more days to return.
Mine has it but I don't find it to be extreme. I prefer the slight blue hue to some other devices that are slightly pink or yellow at an angle. I have to put my device at an angle I'd rarely (if ever) use to see the blue tint.
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Never had this bluish tint on any phone before. Is there a setting for this? Im gonna wait for more replies to see if this is normal. I have 13 more days to return.
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Actually is "normal".
All reviewers I read in my country (Italy) said something about blueshing whites with different angles, so I think that it's a common issue with the P-OLED technology ATM, so if it's a problem for you change phone and avoid the Pixel XL2 and the V30.
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the screen gets bluish when viewing at an angle like those cheap old tv's that you have to watch directly in front. Anybody else notice this? is this normal?
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No, looking at your phone from an angle is not normal. Most people look at their phones head on.
Settings-Display-Screen Color. If it's on Normal you will see more blue hue. I changed mine to Photo and that reduced the blue significantly. There is a custom setting. Don't know if you tried this yet. If you did and still have an issue, then I don't know what to add...
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Never had this bluish tint on any phone before. Is there a setting for this? Im gonna wait for more replies to see if this is normal. I have 13 more days to return.
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i guess u never had an amoled screen phone. galaxy s6 and s7 suffer from color shifting but samsung has better quality control over their screen since only a few devices has this. LG probably didnt care much about this issue and my guess is that most v30 have this problem. is lg first attempt on oled screen since the flex serious but they really need to work on their panel issue. dont bother exchanging.l since u probably going to get anothe device with same or even worse color shifting. if u cant live with it and want an lg phone, wait for lg g7 and wait for review to pops up.
this issue does not bother me and i already own a s8, s8 plus and note 8. v30 screen might not be good compare to those but to me it still a beautifull screen
on the side note. lg gave us 2 year warranty. maybe a new batch a few month ahead fix this issue and we can do a warranty replacement
This seems relatively widespread, although may be to differing extents, as there are reports of the same blue tint on angle for the pixel 2 xl which also have oled panels by lg
having the phone lying on a table makes me look at it at an angle all the time. this is an issue. Samsungs display are quite advanced over the LG displays it seems.
But I don't change the angle all the time while looking at the screen, so I don't notice it too much.
Also, whenever I don't have a uniform or white background, I hardly notice (although the tint is strong).
e.g. when holding looking from the bottom, which I do often (when it is laying in the table)
Any Ideas, if this will be fixed next year, or is this technology based and remains? (samsung has redish tint, e.g. IphoneX)
You can try these color settings. It seems to help lessen the blue tint. https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/how-to/v30-screen-colors-achieving-d65-white-t3695617
"Screen Color:*
Select Custom and hit the gear icon
Color Temperature: Cooler (slider all the way to the left).
RGB Levels:
Red: maximum
Green: maximum
Blue: MINimum
Result: x=.285, y=.325
If this is too green for you and you're ok with a little more blueness, decrease green until you're happy."
carlaron said:
having the phone lying on a table makes me look at it at an angle all the time. this is an issue. Samsungs display are quite advanced over the LG displays it seems.
But I don't change the angle all the time while looking at the screen, so I don't notice it too much.
Also, whenever I don't have a uniform or white background, I hardly notice (although the tint is strong).
e.g. when holding looking from the bottom, which I do often (when it is laying in the table)
Any Ideas, if this will be fixed next year, or is this technology based and remains? (samsung has redish tint, e.g. IphoneX)
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hardware limitation. Samsung's have it too just much less. i notice it sitting on a table also, so try to angle it right. aside from that it's a nice clean panel. it's 1 of only 2 complaints i have, this and no led. no big deal over here. nicer than my htc10 display, that's for sure. better phone, too.
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hardware limitation. Samsung's have it too just much less. i notice it sitting on a table also, so try to angle it right. aside from that it's a nice clean panel. it's 1 of only 2 complaints i have, this and no led. no big deal over here. nicer than my htc10 display, that's for sure. better phone, too.
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Non-issue.
I look at my display straight on, when it's unlocked.
If I'm not actually holding my phone -- if it's on a table or on tilted Qi wireless charging pad -- then the display is LOCKED and the black & white "Always On Display" is showing me notifications. There's NO blue tint on AOD.
But if I'm holding my own phone and looking at it, reading emails, I couldn't care less about OTHER people not being able to read my screen due to some off-angle, slightly blueish tint. It's none of their business.
Maybe someone will yell at me, "Hey, tell LG to get rid of that off-angle blue tint so I can read YOUR emails better!"
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I actually like that other people standing to the side probably can't read my emails or texts...
When my display is unlocked, I don't hold my phone sideways with the volume buttons pointing towards my eyes. So, I never see any blueish tint...
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Non-issue.
I look at my display straight on, when it's unlocked.
If I'm not actually holding my phone -- if it's on a table or on tilted Qi wireless charging pad -- then the display is LOCKED and the black & white "Always On Display" is showing me notifications. There's NO blue tint on AOD.
But if I'm holding my own phone and looking at it, reading emails, I couldn't care less about OTHER people not being able to read my screen due to some off-angle, slightly blueish tint. It's none of their business.
Maybe someone will yell at me, "Hey, tell LG to get rid of that off-angle blue tint so I can read YOUR emails better!"
I actually like that other people standing to the side probably can't read my emails...
When my display is unlocked, I don't hold my phone sideways with the volume buttons pointing towards my eyes. So, I never see any blueish tint...
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Agreed. It can be pretty severe but doesn't affect me at all as there's no need (for me at least) to look at such a small, handheld device from an angle. Would be an issue if it was a TV obviously. I guess some people might disagree if they need to look at their screen from an angle often for whatever reason, but if that's the case they should definitely go with another model.
Don't call a bug/quality issue a feature... that is just too lame. Of course Samsung has the issue, it tints red, but at a way lower rate. IPS is greater in many ways. Of course not in rich blacks.
Does anybody know if there are any display revisions within the V30? Some reports about the pixel (TheVerge) say that newer phones may be less affected.
The blue tint bothers me, but I really like the phone. Just wish there was a litte less tint.
Anybody know if there are different display versions? qualityise?
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Don't call a bug/quality issue a feature... that is just too lame. Of course Samsung has the issue, it tints red, but at a way lower rate. IPS is greater in many ways. Of course not in rich blacks.
Does anybody know if there are any display revisions within the V30? Some reports about the pixel (TheVerge) say that newer phones may be less affected.
The blue tint bothers me, but I really like the phone. Just wish there was a litte less tint.
Anybody know if there are different display versions? qualityise?
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So the Pixels are now equal to the V30? Because theirs was even bluer than the V30.
I don't see it because I don't look sideways at either of my LG V39/V30+. phone. My wife hasn't said a word about hers either.
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So the Pixels are now equal to the V30? Because theirs was even bluer than the V30.
I don't see it because I don't look sideways at either of my LG V39/V30+. phone. My wife hasn't said a word about hers either.
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take 5 pixel2xl and 5 v30, they are all different in screen quality... that is what bothers me.
maybe they come from several production batches, but technically they are the same.
does anybody know if there are any screen hw revisions on either pixel2xl or v30?
I know that different people have different opinion about quality. some use pc monitors with TN panels... not because they are so nice to look at, but because they are gamers and the panels switch fast.
oled is a promising technology, but LCD is way more mature... If you don't see the tint or if it does not bother you, that is ok for me. but I see it alot, and it bothers me. because I use several devices all day long; and if my personal device looks inferior/different, then I don't like that for the price paid...