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I had tried two ICS roms so far as we lose over 100mb in useable ram going from gingerbread to ice cream sandwich. Just wondering if all of the ICS roms are like that or not?
Any idea why we lose 100mb? I'd really like to have it back
It seems like that RAM is being allocated to integrated graphics and I did notice this across the board between dagr8's and smartguys port of team perfection ROMS.
Subscribed for more information, good question if we can change allocation.
Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
studacris said:
Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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There's this misconception that used RAM = slower, laggier performance and that also is not the case.
People need to check their Windows PC conceptualization of RAM usage at the door.
-Ryan
studacris said:
Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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you are correct. Samsung dedicated more ram to the video card, which is probably to fix the black crush and gradient issues that are in the stock rom. Apparently the video ram allocated in gingerbread cant drive this monstrous display like they thought.
it does suck losing it, because its just that much less left for multitasking, but it fixed the display issues so its a good trade off for me.
also, this issue is not in android devices with tegra 3. With tegra 3 the video card has dedicated video ram, meaning that a 1gb android device shows 1 gb of total ram since its not shared with the video card. This is great because it means better multitasking because more apps stay in memory.
studacris said:
Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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The obsession with usable ram is smoothness, it makes a difference, if it didn't why aren't we still all using 512mb phones?
Once the ram is filled up swapping has to occur, when this happens cpu cycles and flash read/write cycles are introduced and they slow down your experience..
Losing 100mb of ram is a big deal, its over 33% of available ram for me. And it does effect performance unfortunately.
ryandelman said:
There's this misconception that used RAM = slower, laggier performance and that also is not the case.
People need to check their Windows PC conceptualization of RAM usage at the door.
-Ryan
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It feel totally makes a difference, I have been complaining about this issue for the longest and all I hear is that it doesn't do anything to our phone. If it doesn't do anything why do I keep getting a message that states that I have no more ram and that it will close everything to free up ram. This is one thing that I really don't like about Android, I sure hope that this changes in the future, because no matter how much ram is installed on our phone we will always have an issue because we cant control what apps we can fully close..
omniphil said:
The obsession with usable ram is smoothness, it makes a difference, if it didn't why aren't we still all using 512mb phones?
Once the ram is filled up swapping has to occur, when this happens cpu cycles and flash read/write cycles are introduced and they slow down your experience..
Losing 100mb of ram is a big deal, its over 33% of available ram for me. And it does effect performance unfortunately.
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100=1000/3? You might want to double check that one.
No matter how many tabs I open in chrome, along with beautiful widgets and Facebook, 2 email accounting syncing and Engadget, joystick, reddit and XDA apps running I never take a performance hit.
My advice is to spend less time running quadrant, your rams are being out to good use.
jimmer411 said:
100=1000/3? You might want to double check that one.
No matter how many tabs I open in chrome, along with beautiful widgets and Facebook, 2 email accounting syncing and Engadget, joystick, reddit and XDA apps running I never take a performance hit.
My advice is to spend less time running quadrant, your rams are being out to good use.
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I think he meant 1/3 of free ram. Typically a stock gingerbread from had 320-350mb free ram.
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I think he meant 1/3 of free ram. Typically a stock gingerbread from had 320-350mb free ram.
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Correct.. I lost 100mb or so of free ram, which forces the phone to swap more often. If we lost it to help the video card then that's fine, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't something else.
Maybe with an official build of ICS the sluggishness will be better...
Interesting point here... I saw a screen shot of an international Note on ICS and the max free RAM was at 803 MB. Maybe its just an issue with our ics leak that we have so little free RAM?
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Been doing some testing on this. It appears that limiting the background applications to three returns the free memory back to gb levels. Been testing this all day with my objection rom, and my used memory has not gone above 472 used with 3 background applications running. That leaves plenty of room to run my games in the forground or office applications. Phone has been running smooth and with out error.
In objection rom to limit the back ground applications. Settings /development options / limit back ground process.
Also been looking at my wife's nexus with non rooted ics. Her phone shows 728 Meg of available ram. Not sure why our leaked version is showing only 656.
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Thanks! after reading this post...I went into the ICS settings on Unofficial ROM and set the settings to 3 background and kill apps on exit..it improved A LOTTTTT....Ive been lurking a long time and this is the best advice I have read!
I am. And here's why:
1. Consistently LOW RAM in ICS, which leads to issues with apps being very sluggish, or sometimes custom wallpapers in Whatsapp/ChompSMS/GoSMS not loading. No such issue in GB. SIM Toolkit takes up 35MB, HDMI takes 50+ MB, etc etc. I usually only have 80-120MB free for apps. A far cry from the 200+ in GB.
2. Low WiFi signal - No such issue in GB.
3. Occasional freeze. No such issue in GB.
I have:
- Done a reset and installed everything from scratch (no improvement)
- Done a clean flash and re-installed everything from scratch (no improvement).
So, back to .75 GB for me.
Try another firmware.
Repair with pcc or sus.
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You're, again, one of the many who is complaining about ICS...
Well if you want to downgrade, that's something you should do. I have to say my experience is just fine. As seen in the screenshot, memory is just fine. SwiftKey is consuming about 60MB of RAM, but besides that there's nothing troubling.
Battery is fine as well. Heavy usage gives me about 17 hours (WhatsApp, GTalk, Browser, Walkman, Google Reader, Facebook, WordFeud).
Also WiFi.. I guess you might be right with that. But I can't say it with certainty, as my WiFi signal has always been low...
I did have to do a complete wipe and remove Google's Backup of my data to make everything work fine.
And here is mine not rooted.
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I was also thinking of downgrading and actually I did and used for couple of days before I decided to try again, which is a great thing I did.
Mine is smooth (well, almost there) besides the Facebook application itself and shuttering music when played through the Bluetooth. Given the fact that this is the first ICS firmware, I'm sure that there will be bug fix soon, but there isn't anything which you can't handle.
I've no launcher re-draws so far, no lags (besides occasional ones in the launcher) and I've more than 70 applications installed and more than two dozen running in the back ground.
If you want to go back, well it's your phone and your choice and no one is stopping you!
ICS had been a great experience for me, much smoother over all, issues with GB have been fixed, stock browser is excellent, speaker during call is loud, much better bluetooth, ICS animations, far better keyboard, contact groups, higher bitrate camera and list goes on.
Issues with memory are redundant, wifi signal might appear lower but I've never had drops and I use hotspot for vpn to work on trips.
Battery life is the same for me 1.5 days with medium use.
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I already downgraded.
I might upgrade again on the weekend with the rooting guide.
The main problem I had with ics is unacceptable battery drain in standby, with root hopefullyi might be able to pin point the cause and fix the issue.
I do hope Sony are aware of the problems and patch them soon, because ics on the xs is pretty damn good and I miss not having it.
upgraded again. Stock ICS Au Generic via PCC.
I now understand why reviews of this phone weren't so great with it running GB. :cyclops:
The battery life on ICS improved a lot after rooting & uninstalling some preinstalled apps. I noticed significant improvement in standby time after uninstalling ANT radio (related services), Update service etc. and many other useless (for me) apps/services which were draining a lot of battery (esp. on standby)! And it also gives a lot of free ram (about 250-350 mb).
ICS has been faster, smoother, better looking (esp small font) without any lags/redraws for me. There are many improved apps and all but also are a few glitches/minor bugs on this ICS build by sony which hopefully shall be fixed soon!
Overall, I would say that ICS is Faster and Cooler than GB, but GB surely is much stable/Reliable wrt current ICS build. I am on CE ICS rom.
Well if you don't mind trying development stuff, there is this custom ROM already out there which has some tweaks and lots of things removed which makes battery life better by removing programs that would otherwise be running in the background and it will also help speed a little.
Even though, it is a custom ROM. But talking about vanilla ICS i think its just as good as GB. Its common for it to use more RAM as most of newer programs do (Like Windows 7 vs Windows XP) or so, but thats just using the resources we got.
On the Linux kernel, free RAM is wasted RAM.
KeiranFTW said:
On the Linux kernel, free RAM is wasted RAM.
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Yes but to cache things you need the RAM in the first place, you can't make it appear out of thin air. Removing some system apps can still help overall.
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gparent said:
Yes but to cache things you need the RAM in the first place, you can't make it appear out of thin air. Removing some system apps can still help overall.
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That's why some tasks are ended for new ones to start
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On the Linux kernel, free RAM is wasted RAM.
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Yes, as you have repeatedly said in multiple threads. However, free RAM on the xps is not wasted, it actually provides a smoother experience and allows Apps to load properly without constant redrawing and cache swapping. It's also not ending tasks for new ones to start as all the system apps which cannot be killed are clogging the ram.
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Rashkae said:
Yes, as you have repeatedly said in multiple threads. However, free RAM on the xps is not wasted, it actually provides a smoother experience and allows Apps to load properly without constant redrawing and cache swapping. It's also not ending tasks for new ones to start as all the system apps which cannot be killed are clogging the ram.
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I also rolled back to GB. For me ICS is just a hair smoother, but ICS on Galaxy neuxs is way smoother, so i'm not impressed.
LED notification is not working.
So other than that, the whole experience is just very similar to GB if not the same. after rolled back to GB, i don't miss ICS a bit, lol.
for the Free RAM is waste RAM stuff, i don't offense it because it is Linux, but on my ipad3, still 1GB ram, after boot up, it showed 803MB free, and it just works (fast and smooth inside out), but again they are completely different system, can't say which is better, don't comment on multitasking since they both just work.
BUT hey, Xperia launcher used excessive amount of ram but still not smooth in ICS and GB, what are you caching, app performance in GB is just as good as in ICS, everything is fast but not smooth (compare to my gf's lower spec Galaxy nexus). She asked why and insisted i should pick galaxy nexus, i can't say a word, lol. (but i love XS design and HDMI output)
So, if you don't mind GB is older and encounter many problems in ICS, roll back wouldn't hurt you a bit.:laugh:
Do you think there will be any ICS fix from Sony? Becasue toomorrow i am going to buy XS, and i am deciding whether to stay on GB or upgrade to ISC.
Nothing else i care but, wifi signal and camera. I use wifi mostly when i am on my bed, and until now I had always 1/3 signal (HTC Desire S, Xperia U). I am sure on GB it will be the same, but i am afraid what will happen after upgrade on ICS I hope i will not have any problems. What do you think?
And what about camera? Has improved with ICS?
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Do you think there will be any ICS fix from Sony? Becasue toomorrow i am going to buy XS, and i am deciding whether to stay on GB or upgrade to ISC.
Nothing else i care but, wifi signal and camera. I use wifi mostly when i am on my bed, and until now I had always 1/3 signal (HTC Desire S, Xperia U). I am sure on GB it will be the same, but i am afraid what will happen after upgrade on ICS I hope i will not have any problems. What do you think?
And what about camera? Has improved with ICS?
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There is an ics update soon...
Wifi on ics is the same as gb,maybe the icon show less bars but connectivity is the same.
Yes the camera has improved on ics.
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Do you think there will be any ICS fix from Sony? Becasue toomorrow i am going to buy XS, and i am deciding whether to stay on GB or upgrade to ISC.
Nothing else i care but, wifi signal and camera. I use wifi mostly when i am on my bed, and until now I had always 1/3 signal (HTC Desire S, Xperia U). I am sure on GB it will be the same, but i am afraid what will happen after upgrade on ICS I hope i will not have any problems. What do you think?
And what about camera? Has improved with ICS?
there is a new update in line..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1763534
http://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/view_complete_request_guest.cfm?modelid=20799
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That's why some tasks are ended for new ones to start
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Why would you want that instead of the task still running (or being cached rather than killed) because there's enough RAM? Thanks for proving my point.
I've noticed the higher version of android I go up on my phone, the more ram applications use and the system itself does.
So my question is, when is it that our phones won't have enough ram to handle more than one app running? The max my phone can handle with 403 system ram using the devil kernel on JB is like about 2-3, then the app restarts or refreshes.
What about you guys?
Hmm I've felt that the higher, the less ram. I was on slimbean and I had 180+ available ram all the time. Well, when playing music it would drop to 170 mb, but its still really good. Right now I'm on aokp and I have music, kakaotalk, Google services, lookout, android keyboard all taking up ram under running apps and I still have about 160 mb free. Aokp has this performance tweak that controls how much ram will be free on every reboot. That's why I have so much free ram even though my total is only 378 mb. You should try aokp. Its really nice
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My phone's on Android2.3.6. It has 366M Ram, and I've no lag or FC.
More Ram means less sth. else, as the Galaxy S variants have only 512 ram.
The phone may lose 720P recording on 403 Ram, other weird things may happen too.
For daily use, I prefer 366M ram.
glassesboy said:
My phone's on Android2.3.6. It has 366M Ram, and I've no lag or FC.
More Ram means less sth. else, as the Galaxy S variants have only 512 ram.
The phone may lose 720P recording on 403 Ram, other weird things may happen too.
For daily use, I prefer 366M ram.
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Haha, sorry I find that funny. GB has always been slow and unstable. Froyo was good thanks to Bionix and Fishman. Even though GB looked nice and was fun playing around with, (LOVED Sensation ROM and RevoultionROM JVQ) they began to lag after a while and unfortunately GPS did not work. ICS was really nice but it had the EU bug. JB is (obviously) the fastest version.
Also, the phone WILL lose 720p recording on 403 mb of RAM, but thats why you use 391 mb. I dont notice a difference between ~10mb of RAM. I dont know why you would prefer 366 mb on gingerbread, (which is really slow compared to JB) as opposed to JB's 391 mb.
Android has been trying to smooth itself out so to run the OS itself should be enough. You can freeze the system apps you don't need so they won't automatically load themselves. To run newer games you will need a device with more ram though.
glassesboy said:
My phone's on Android2.3.6. It has 366M Ram, and I've no lag or FC.
More Ram means less sth. else, as the Galaxy S variants have only 512 ram.
The phone may lose 720P recording on 403 Ram, other weird things may happen too.
For daily use, I prefer 366M ram.
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I must ask this as you said you were on 2.3.6 but didn't give a specific ROM name. Does your phone have a stock front facing camera?
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But guys, for example try using some of the newer app, there is also lag for some reason. And when i switch between apps, they take a while to load. Maybe i need to use zram.
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But guys, for example try using some of the newer app, there is also lag for some reason. And when i switch between apps, they take a while to load. Maybe i need to use zram.
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Maybe you need CM7 and glitch kernel. Seriously.
The thing is Vibrant doesn't have enough memory to smoothly handle multitasking and avoid casual lag (especially when pressing the recent apps button) on v4.x.x OSes.
It's great that a lot of developers spend their time porting ICS and JB, but actually I need a working and responsive phone.
Think about it, if it were false then we wouldn't have any need for newer models.
Why buying a GS3? I can run JB on my Vibrant! wooo!
Of course this is just my humble point of view, I'm not partecipating in a political debate.
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Haha, sorry I find that funny. GB has always been slow and unstable.
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Yeah, I find it funny too... somehow.
By the way, there's a huge difference between 2.3.4/6 and 2.3.7.
Obviously the vibe isn't packing 2gb of ram like the US gs3 and note2 but I've been running PA JB for a while. The only thing that seems to lag is Google search/now/browser. Other than that it runs smooth! I have about 30+ launchable system and user apps. The key is to kill app back and minimize background processes
(mines set at 3). There are other ram management choices as well.
As I said, its no gs3 but for an almost 3yr old device this vibrator is buzzing strong!
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Obviously the vibe isn't packing 2gb of ram like the US gs3 and note2 but I've been running PA JB for a while. The only thing that seems to lag is Google search/now/browser. Other than that it runs smooth! I have about 30+ launchable system and user apps. The key is to kill app back and minimize background processes
(mines set at 3). There are other ram management choices as well.
As I said, its no gs3 but for an almost 3yr old device this vibrator is buzzing strong!
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I agree... for a three year old phone these things kick ass. Im running SlimBean 2.8 which is insanely stable and responsive and quick... I have no lag issues and no force close issues and my RAM is 277MB used and 132MB free, give or take, thats with Update Me, Google Services, Keyboard, and Facebook running. I can use FB, Slacker, any browser I want... never have issues and the phone feels smoother than stock GS3 IMO... I have processes set to 3 as well and have never had a problem. Just remember we only have 512MB to work with... :silly::highfive:
http://www.downloadmoreram.com/
No need to thank me.
X to the rescue!! I downloaded 1gb and wow.....that's all I can say!
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Greetings my dear friends.
I'm here to give my verdict on the upgrade to ICS after 2 months using the ICS Stock ROM I could finish something. Read and understand.
I have an XPERIA U ST25a retail brazilian.
Sure, the stock ICS ROM is very attractive, all good new stuff found in Android 4.0 are very good, like the new UI or settings menu, the toggles easily accessible are very useful, but the apparent instability and slowness (in moments) make me think why I bought this phone, and also think about going back to the old but great stock GB ROM.
And yes, i use ICS ROM, I made my own modifications and tweaks to the all-bloated ICS Stock ROM get the maximum performance.
But the bugs are really ridiculous.
The battery only charges sometimes if the phone is restarted, otherwise the indicator will be locked at 39%, for example.
The camera seems to be slow compared to the old Stock GingerBread ROM.
The open / close applications is not slow, but sometimes the application takes to respond as if something sucking the system performance.
All these bugs may (or may not) be Sony's problem, but since the era of my old devices I have these SAME problems in some ICS ROMs (I've also tested the FXP CM9 rom, and believe me, if you fill up with apps, will be slow too).
It seems that Android 4.0 ICS is always buggy and slow, and then Eclair 2.1 (horrible) then followed by the 2.2 Froyo (good).
My conclusion: Don't upgrade if you hate a phone will be a little bit slower.
I just do not go back to stock GB ROM why I still enjoy a good user interface instead of performance.
But if you do not like one bit of minimal slowdowns or some bugs, DO NOT bother upgrading to ICS. Just a beautiful day, we have the long awaited Jelly Bean. Even if it is a CM10, the "Butter Project" realizes disappear with lags. And all these little problems may be fixed.
I just let my experience here on this upgrade does not seem that there be a good idea.
Thank you very much
What ics firmware build number are you talking about?
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About any ICS firmware. I've tested B.1.10, B.1.54 and C.1.10 and of these three have similar and different problems. Its a problem about android 4.0 that have been build focused on research data...
Ics is a very ram hungry ...if u have a device which has ram 512 or below that, them trust me it's best to stay at GB.. In my Xperia P ICS eats up 500MB of my ram.i am just left with 430 MB of usable memory...
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techno-np said:
Ics is a very ram hungry ...if u have a device which has ram 512 or below that, them trust me it's best to stay at GB.. In my Xperia P ICS eats up 500MB of my ram.i am just left with 430 MB of usable memory...
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But in android free ram doesn't mean more performance, lag will only appear when RAM reaches the "lag level" (30~25 free ram)
Here on my XPU i have 120~140MB free and i don't have any lag. BTW if you install a bunch of crappy apps and let the bloatware of Sony installed you will certainly will get some lag. Even on a XPP with 1GB of RAM you can feel some lags, i've already tested yet!
Yes if you say it like that.. Then yes under a microscope ICS does lag a bit.it's inevitable even the quad cores lag in ics from time to time.. But hey that's why there is JB for the rescue...
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Salo-S said:
Greetings my dear friends.
I'm here to give my verdict on the upgrade to ICS after 2 months using the ICS Stock ROM I could finish something. Read and understand.
I have an XPERIA U ST25a retail brazilian.
Sure, the stock ICS ROM is very attractive, all good new stuff found in Android 4.0 are very good, like the new UI or settings menu, the toggles easily accessible are very useful, but the apparent instability and slowness (in moments) make me think why I bought this phone, and also think about going back to the old but great stock GB ROM.
And yes, i use ICS ROM, I made my own modifications and tweaks to the all-bloated ICS Stock ROM get the maximum performance.
But the bugs are really ridiculous.
The battery only charges sometimes if the phone is restarted, otherwise the indicator will be locked at 39%, for example.
The camera seems to be slow compared to the old Stock GingerBread ROM.
The open / close applications is not slow, but sometimes the application takes to respond as if something sucking the system performance.
All these bugs may (or may not) be Sony's problem, but since the era of my old devices I have these SAME problems in some ICS ROMs (I've also tested the FXP CM9 rom, and believe me, if you fill up with apps, will be slow too).
It seems that Android 4.0 ICS is always buggy and slow, and then Eclair 2.1 (horrible) then followed by the 2.2 Froyo (good).
My conclusion: Don't upgrade if you hate a phone will be a little bit slower.
I just do not go back to stock GB ROM why I still enjoy a good user interface instead of performance.
But if you do not like one bit of minimal slowdowns or some bugs, DO NOT bother upgrading to ICS. Just a beautiful day, we have the long awaited Jelly Bean. Even if it is a CM10, the "Butter Project" realizes disappear with lags. And all these little problems may be fixed.
I just let my experience here on this upgrade does not seem that there be a good idea.
Thank you very much
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Stock ROM: go for GingerBread otherwise CM.
Rgds.
Salo-S said:
But in android free ram doesn't mean more performance, lag will only appear when RAM reaches the "lag level" (30~25 free ram)
Here on my XPU i have 120~140MB free and i don't have any lag. BTW if you install a bunch of crappy apps and let the bloatware of Sony installed you will certainly will get some lag. Even on a XPP with 1GB of RAM you can feel some lags, i've already tested yet!
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I think lag by alot of app is open. So I endtast and free ram. It Work fine with me.
I prefer the GB which is less power hungry on RAM compared to ICS.
ICS, I find it laggy.
Most games lag on ICS compared to GB.
For me, if I'll choose, I'll go for Custom ROM based on ICS(not the stock one that sony distributed). If you don't like stock ROM then I'll stick to GB because ICS consumes more RAM than GB.
Is it just me, or does the phone use a lot of RAM? Mine seems to be using 2.7GB minimum at all times. Seems high.
Higher would be more ideal. The Windows mindset of "I'm running out of RAM!" doesn't get you anywhere here; in Android, empty RAM is wasted RAM. My Droid Turbo averages ~1.8gb used of 3gb. Seems Nougat tries to average 60%-70% usage.
When you switch out of an app, it's moved to the background and (usually) suspended, but kept in memory so you can switch back to it quickly. It's things like this that take up memory you think should be "free".
In the event that you need to load up a big app, stuff running in the background is quickly and gracefully unloaded.
Unless you're getting constant foreground app crashes - which might indicate that something is forcefully keeping itself loaded and starving everything else of needed memory - you shouldn't worry about it. Android is fairly good at handling memory these days.
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Higher would be more ideal. The Windows mindset of "I'm running out of RAM!" doesn't get you anywhere here; in Android, empty RAM is wasted RAM. My Droid Turbo averages ~1.8gb used of 3gb. Seems Nougat tries to average 60%-70% usage.
When you switch out of an app, it's moved to the background and (usually) suspended, but kept in memory so you can switch back to it quickly. It's things like this that take up memory you think should be "free".
In the event that you need to load up a big app, stuff running in the background is quickly and gracefully unloaded.
Unless you're getting constant foreground app crashes - which might indicate that something is forcefully keeping itself loaded and starving everything else of needed memory - you shouldn't worry about it. Android is fairly good at handling memory these days.
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I notice this issue more on custom ROMs than stock firmware. On mine and my wife's Quarks (3GB RAM, as you well know), running Marshmallow and Lollipop versions of the same ROM, something causes the phones to just freeze up for about a minute, crashes, then RAM is released to use. It was happening at least once a day on my phone, then my wife said it was happening to her phone. (Our old phones, not the new LG V30 phones.) I've messed with the LMK settings, trying different combinations, to no avail. And I did report it in the Nougat ROM thread for that phone. (Marshmallow ROM thread no longer has support.)
So, while I totally agree with your answer, it is the technically correct answer, I do understand the OP's concern. I've gotten to the point where I like to see more free RAM, so I know my phone isn't about to freeze up. At least on my old phone.
I love custom ROMs, but the past couple of weeks it's been nice to run stock on my new LG V30 and have a very fluid experience. I've not disabled anything. I saw some others disable stuff and then got lagging. I've not touched a thing and my phone is very smooth.
Could a "theme" downloaded from play store take up a lot of RAM and/or slow things down, too?
This is my first experience with a theme.
coldbeverage said:
Could a "theme" downloaded from play store take up a lot of RAM and/or slow things down, too?
This is my first experience with a theme.
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Possibly, but probably not. From what I've seen, LG themes seem to skin far less than say, substratum does, and even substratum is pretty lightweight unless you get into transparent themes.
Keep in mind the default theme is itself...well, a theme. You're not really saving anything by staying on it. If you see a skin you like, use it, if you're really worried use one of the LG-provided ones that come with the phone.
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I notice this issue more on custom ROMs than stock firmware. On mine and my wife's Quarks (3GB RAM, as you well know), running Marshmallow and Lollipop versions of the same ROM, something causes the phones to just freeze up for about a minute, crashes, then RAM is released to use. It was happening at least once a day on my phone, then my wife said it was happening to her phone. (Our old phones, not the new LG V30 phones.) I've messed with the LMK settings, trying different combinations, to no avail. And I did report it in the Nougat ROM thread for that phone. (Marshmallow ROM thread no longer has support.)
So, while I totally agree with your answer, it is the technically correct answer, I do understand the OP's concern. I've gotten to the point where I like to see more free RAM, so I know my phone isn't about to freeze up. At least on my old phone.
I love custom ROMs, but the past couple of weeks it's been nice to run stock on my new LG V30 and have a very fluid experience. I've not disabled anything. I saw some others disable stuff and then got lagging. I've not touched a thing and my phone is very smooth.
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Interesting. It does seem like stock ROMs tend to be more conservative with RAM usage, whereas custom ROMs will have less aggressive minfree settings in order to keep more stuff loaded up. "Unused RAM is wasted RAM", but only up to a certain point; in my experience (Maserati with its ancient kernel as well as Quark) approaching ~100mb of free memory in LP/MM/N can bring things to a crawl, and pushing it can cause a kernel panic :good:
The only issue I've seen in Quark RR has been with the Pixiv app, though, and it does exactly what you said. But...I'm fairly certain the app itself leaks memory, as it only happens after browsing a while and is perfectly fine for another stretch after it OOMs and restarts.
My experience with stock ROMs in the past - Quark included - has been "smooth but lacking in features/customization" --- I've never really understood the complaints that stock is slow and claims that custom is blazing fast in comparison. The OEM has a decided advantage in that they have all the tools they need to compile the ROM properly, with then-current driver and kernel sources and a deep understanding of the hardware...I'd be really surprised to find a stock ROM from the last few years to be slower than custom.
But to be honest, my sample size is pretty small. *shrugs* I stick by what I've said, though, if anything the V30 doesn't use its memory enough; some people have complained about apps popping out of memory sooner than expected. LG is still putting out updates too, if a memory-management problem is found, hopefully they'll get right on fixing it.