OK, I just realized that Samsung probably made the nexus 10 screen 10.055" so that people wouldn't call it a 10.1 inch tablet, to not confuse people about the galaxy tab 10.1.
Would they really go through all of that effort to make marketing that much easier, or do you think it was just coincidence?
Then again I just watched v for vendetta, and according to that there are no such things as coincidence! But I'm no conspiracy theorist.
Samzebian said:
OK, I just realized that Samsung probably made the nexus 10 screen 10.055" so that people wouldn't call it a 10.1 inch tablet, to not confuse people about the galaxy tab 10.1.
Would they really go through all of that effort to make marketing that much easier, or do you think it was just coincidence?
Then again I just watched v for vendetta, and according to that there are no such things as coincidence! But I'm no conspiracy theorist.
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I'm pretty sure it's so they can break the 300ppi border without adding more pixels (adding more pixels would cost more). So they simply reduced the size by half an inch which then also reduces the number of pixels which would then result in a lower price.
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I'm pretty sure it's so they can break the 300ppi border without adding more pixels (adding more pixels would cost more). So they simply reduced the size by half an inch which then also reduces the number of pixels which would then result in a lower price.
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Wouldn't it be cheaper to just expand the screen at its current resolution to the bigger size? Increasing space != increase in resolution
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Wouldn't it be cheaper to just expand the screen at its current resolution to the bigger size? Increasing space != increase in resolution
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If you increased the screen size, that just means you need more material to build the device.
Then ultimately, the PPI drops and it won't be break the 300 PPI border. The Nexus 10 is almost exactly 300 PPI (300.24 PPI). Add half an inch (to 10.1") and you get 299 PPI (298.9 PPI). I'm almost 100% sure that they wanted to hit 300 PPI so that they can market it as having 300 PPI. It's a great selling point, and at 300.24 PPI, you can't argue that it doesn't have 300 PPI.
Where are you getting this 10.055 figure from?
Also, nobody is going to notice a screen that's smaller by 0.05", or one less pixel per inch.
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Where are you getting this 10.055 figure from?
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10.055" diagonal at 2560 x 1600 pixel resolution for 300 ppi
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Also, nobody is going to notice a screen that's smaller by 0.05", or one less pixel per inch.
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And no one will really notice the difference between 260 PPI and 300 PPI. It's not about if people will notice it. It's all about marketing. You bring out solid numbers for people to compare with, and if these numbers are substantially higher than competitive numbers, then consumers will flock to it.
It is a conspiracy.
Ok so from what you guys are saying they did it to market the device as having 300ppi, if the DID do it for marketing, then I would also assume they were trying to avoid people being confused with the galaxy tab 10.1 as well (which I honestly think the 10.1 name is kind of dumb and long, why not just call it the Galaxy Tab? I know they have the 7, 7.7, 8.9 and 10.1! Holy crap Samsung too many different sizes for even developers to create apps for!:silly:
I think they just round up or down. Don't quote me on this but I think the GS2 is 4.25 and the Tab 7.7 is 7.67 or something and they just round up to make it easier.
In all probability all they would have thought of while engineering the display would have been how to beat the ipad 3 retina display at the least possible expenditure !
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In all probability all they would have thought of while engineering the display would have been how to beat the ipad 3 retina display at the least possible expenditure !
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Well, since Samsung you know, makes the iPad Retina display for Apple, I imagine they had a clue or two on how to beat it.
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Well, since Samsung you know, makes the iPad Retina display for Apple, I imagine they had a clue or two on how to beat it.
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Yeah good for us we got beast of an android tablet
I read somewhere that 10.1in screens are actually all 10.055in and rounded up for marketing purposes. I have absolutely no solid evidence of this though and it could be viable that marketing reduced it in size to acheive the 300ppi mark (298.898ppi doesn't have the same ring to it)
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I read somewhere that 10.1in screens are actually all 10.055in and rounded up for marketing purposes. I have absolutely no solid evidence of this though and it could be viable that marketing reduced it in size to acheive the 300ppi mark (298.898ppi doesn't have the same ring to it)
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lol you have no solid evidence? Just take a ruler and measure the thing..
I would but I'm in a library with no ruler...
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lol you have no solid evidence? Just take a ruler and measure the thing..
I would but I'm in a library with no ruler...
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Sure, I can do that NOW! It's a bit harder when I was still waiting for acknowledgment that my order had been shipped
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Any know the dpi of the touchpads screen? cant get info on it anywhere
1024x768 over 9.7 inches comes out to 131.96 DPI.
Sounds rather odd....
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Sounds rather odd....
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Not really, its the EXACT screen dimensions as the iPad(2). Its a 4:3 1024x768 9.7" screen.
http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
looks like 131 is correct.
*oh, and why the hell is this stickied... all these threads should be linked to in a 'read first sticky' thread... this is obscene how many god damn stickies there are... Whatever mod is doing this is going overboard.
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Not really, its the EXACT screen dimensions as the iPad(2). Its a 4:3 1024x768 9.7" screen.
http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
looks like 131 is correct.
*oh, and why the hell is this stickied... all these threads should be linked to in a 'read first sticky' thread... this is obscene how many god damn stickies there are... Whatever mod is doing this is going overboard.
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What I ment was 131 Seems rather and odd DPI that is all. Im used to dealing with rounded of numbers like 160 & 240.
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What I ment was 131 Seems rather and odd DPI that is all. Im used to dealing with rounded of numbers like 160 & 240.
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It's the same screen as the ipad. Same manufacturer as well (LG). All intensive purposes, it is the same screen.
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It's the same screen as the ipad. Same manufacturer as well (LG). All intensive purposes, it is the same screen.
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Damn, I promise I am not usually like this, but I have to do this:
"for all intents and purposes"
Its way dimmer than an ipad though...hopefully someone finds a way to make this thing brighter
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I think the idea is to coral all the posts into a manageable order for later redistribution.
just like the fire sale , this could get ugly and disorganized fast.
I thank the mods for taking whatever steps to prepare/maintain.
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Its way dimmer than an ipad though...hopefully someone finds a way to make this thing brighter
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Brightless slider in the top-right menu. Or were you referring to it on full brightness (I don't have an iPad to compare to)?
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Brightless slider in the top-right menu. Or were you referring to it on full brightness (I don't have an iPad to compare to)?
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So your telling me if the screen breaks, Just replace with an iPad screen+digitizer? Or am I clutching at parts?
if the screen is similar to the ipad, why does it seem so low quality?
I was on my new one all night, and I cant get over the poor quality of display.
I was just browsing, blogging and it just looks so bad compared to my work ipad or the playbook I'm currently demo'ing.
could it be the browser, websites, or is there a patch I need? Really making me question my purchase.
I think people are confusing DPI with PPI. PPI is pixels per inch, which is the 131 being tossed out. DPI is how the screen is seen by software. Dont know what it is for the touchpad, but figured I'd try and clear some confusion.
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Lmao u paid $99-150 for it...y complain?
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Wow, thanks for such a useful reply.
To everyone else, is this just how the display is going to look? Or will an Android port or additional webOs updates provide some help?
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Well milhouse I was just stating that u paid $100 lmao. The display looks crisp and sharp
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No, if you put the TP side by side with the iPad 2 (hell, with the original iPad), you can notice a BIG difference in the display quality. I think that is the way the software handles the screen. Colors do look WAY sharper and crisper on the ipad vs the TP.
Its the exact same lg screen from the ipad 2, hell you could take the ipad 2 screen out and put it in the touchpad.. android port may fix it if not we'll see some voodoo colors.
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Its the exact same lg screen from the ipad 2, hell you could take the ipad 2 screen out and put it in the touchpad.. android port may fix it if not we'll see some voodoo colors.
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I did some lookin:
TP and iPad 1 use LP097X02-SLA1
iPad 2 uses LP097X02-SLN1
Don't know what the differences are. I don't know why the touchpad screen isn't as bright as the ipad either. (Perhaps the touchpad software simply doesn't allow it to go that high? Perhaps in that case, an android release could? Though I've heard many complain that the ipad is blindingly bright.)
Interestingly enough, samsung is coming out with a 10.1" retina touch display. Will apple get their hands on it? Probably not, actually:
http://www.tipb.com/2011/05/13/sams...olution-display-paving-retina-display-ipad-3/
I think there must be differences between displays. I've found mine to be very bright. I leave the brightness slider around 30% and find that's very bright, even a bit too bright when using in a darkened room.
I find the colours aren't particularly vibrant in general use, but the they are in the Angry Birds loading screen, so I'd guess that there's some kind of tone down colour profile set in the OS somewhere.
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So your telling me if the screen breaks, Just replace with an iPad screen+digitizer? Or am I clutching at parts?
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not exactly I'd think. While they use the same screen, they don't use the same bezel dimensions IIRC. Bezel is part of the screen, so buying the slightly different iPad one wouldn't work I don't think.
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I think there must be differences between displays. I've found mine to be very bright. I leave the brightness slider around 30% and find that's very bright, even a bit too bright when using in a darkened room.
I find the colours aren't particularly vibrant in general use, but the they are in the Angry Birds loading screen, so I'd guess that there's some kind of tone down colour profile set in the OS somewhere.
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turn off auto dimming in screen and lock setting give much brighter display.
Hi wrote such a good and long message here and i clicked the backspace by mistake and it's all gone ):
I wrote that i love the vibrant because it's so light and small (relative to other, newer monsters).
I was asking if there is any device out there that has the same dimensions and weight yet is new and has all the new hype - dual-core, higher res display, 8 mega pixel and so on...
I think the Galaxy S proportions are the IDEAL ones when it comes to practicality
You know control + z is undo? Backspace doesnt have to be the end of the world
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What about the point though?
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Sure, personal preference is important especially with ergonimic details like size, weight, and finish; but software and bandwidth is always evolving so hardware needs to keep up, and 10 years ago plenty of people whould have said that the existing phones were perfect but many of those same people are now using smartphones and would rather not go back to 10 year old hardware.
I don't know of any 4" phones that are any more up to date than the Vibrant. I kind of just accepted that my next phone will be 4.3". I don't think I would want to go bigger than that. The T-Mobile Galaxy SII is hideous. No if ands or buts about it. Same res as my 4" phone, but more than a half an inch bigger? No thank you.
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SGS 2 is surprisingly small. It is thinner that the vibrant and the dimensions are not all that much bigger. Felt the same when I put it in my pocket.
So far the Samsung Nexus looks very interesting, bigger screen but only because they make more use of the space, no buttons anymore. Also the bezel is smaller, so the screen can have more space, although the phone itself does not get really bigger...
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SGS 2 is surprisingly small. It is thinner that the vibrant and the dimensions are not all that much bigger. Felt the same when I put it in my pocket.
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Which SII version are U referring to?
I know that the international version is 4.3", but is there a US carrier that has the same 4.3" size?
T-Mobile's is 4.52 and so does ATT (i think)
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Which SII version are U referring to?
I know that the international version is 4.3", but is there a US carrier that has the same 4.3" size?
T-Mobile's is 4.52 and so does ATT (i think)
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AT&T's is only 4.3", but I can't bring myself to switch to AT&T... yet.
My complaint isn't really about the bulk of the phone, but more that when you look at the T-Mobile SGSII with the screen on, the icons are spaced abnormally far apart. Instead of enlarging the icons proportionally, or adding an extra column to the home screens, they just spaced them further apart, and it's ugly.
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Get the T-Mobile Sensation, I'm an ex-vibrant user and love this thinggg
A 4.5" phone is not 1/2" larger than a 4" phone. Just say'in.
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A 4.5" phone is not 1/2" larger than a 4" phone. Just say'in.
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No, but the diagonal measurement of the screen is. Actually it's 0.56" larger if we're talking about the Vibrant vs the SGSII.
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Get the T-Mobile Sensation, I'm an ex-vibrant user and love this thinggg
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But I heard Battery life is horrid on that device. No?
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AT&T's is only 4.3", but I can't bring myself to switch to AT&T... yet.
My complaint isn't really about the bulk of the phone, but more that when you look at the T-Mobile SGSII with the screen on, the icons are spaced abnormally far apart. Instead of enlarging the icons proportionally, or adding an extra column to the home screens, they just spaced them further apart, and it's ugly.
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You're right. I knew something was odd about the way that screen looked. That's which I'm only doing qhd+ in my next phone. Sampled+ is not worth staying at wvga.
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I agree with the OP the Vibrant was the perfect size - If people want bigger screens they should buy a tablet.
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But I heard Battery life is horrid on that device. No?
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Not with the right rom. I get 20 hours+ with moderate use.
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Not with the right rom. I get 20 hours+ with moderate use.
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My friend has it an battery life seems good he went 4 hours an lost 3 percent but like 10 mins of screen on
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Am i the only one not liking the fact that android phones are getting bigger and bigger( sure slimmer), what happened to the compact aspect , after all it is a PHONE .i personally think that there should be more MID-HIGH-end 3.5-4.1" screen phones coming in the future.
especially when the Vibrant is reaching its limits running android's latest and greatest.
i just wanted to know what everyone else thinks about this.
I really like 4", but could live with 4.3" it resolution kept up. The latest GSII for T-Mobile is the same resolution as my phone, but more than .5" bigger. No thanks. The GNexus with its bigger screen at least upped the resolution, so I have considered that, but only Verizon offers it subsidized, and there's no way I'm moving to Verizon!
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I really like 4", but could live with 4.3" it resolution kept up. The latest GSII for T-Mobile is the same resolution as my phone, but more than .5" bigger. No thanks. The GNexus with its bigger screen at least upped the resolution, so I have considered that, but only Verizon offers it subsidized, and there's no way I'm moving to Verizon!
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agreed, a "retina" like display would be nice, i would consider nothing more than 4.2, and that's with the screens taking up good amount of real estate on the front face of the phone
UPDATE:considering 4.5 now, depending on how JB is and if its 1080p.
Ya I think 4.3 is the Max I'm willing to go so its gonna be interesting to see what the manufacturer's do
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having played with the sgs2 & the galaxy nexus.. i agree that the 4.5" screen on the sgs2 feels a little worthless since it's the same resolution.. but the galaxy nexus at 4.65" doesn't feel too big
without the bezel/frame, i think the 4.6 or 4.7" range is actually reaaally nice. the nexus is barely bigger than my vibrant but the screen looks a lot nicer
cant wait to hopefully pick up a new phone to replace my vibrant in august when my 2year ends with something between 4.5-4.7" and 1080p resolution
I need a larger screen because I'm getting older ;-)
You need a larger phone so you know how big your youknowwhat is and you don't have a ruler around.
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you need a larger phone so you know how big your youknowwhat is and you don't have a ruler around.
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hahaha +10000
lol really?? im disliking this thread just as much as the manufacturers design choices..
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having played with the sgs2 & the galaxy nexus.. i agree that the 4.5" screen on the sgs2 feels a little worthless since it's the same resolution.. but the galaxy nexus at 4.65" doesn't feel too big
without the bezel/frame, i think the 4.6 or 4.7" range is actually reaaally nice. the nexus is barely bigger than my vibrant but the screen looks a lot nicer
cant wait to hopefully pick up a new phone to replace my vibrant in august when my 2year ends with something between 4.5-4.7" and 1080p resolution
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i know you can get used to it if you use it enough. but the most i will go is 4.5" that's with little or no bezel,
a super amoled 1080p with high ppi=worthy upgrade from the vibrant
SGS3! do not let us down..
Why do we need larger screens? (considering that it's one of the most power hungry pieces and the batteries still are in the 1500-1700mAh range).
I don't have any idea, Vibrant's screen is more than enough, there's plenty of space for surfing web, reading ebooks, casually playing games and so.
I can barely hold the phone with one hand while using the thumb on the touch screen, a bigger phone would bring nothing to me.
It's a phone. If you want more headroom, get a tablet.
I also think 4" hits the spot on a phone.
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don't mean to bash on anyone but although I love my vibrant to death, the increased screen size is amazing on phones I've played with ONLY if the resolution makes the upgrade as well..
personally hoping for a screen between 4.5 and 4.7" for the SGS3 with a bare minimum of 720p resolution
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I also think 4" hits the spot on a phone.
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You need a larger phone so you know how big your youknowwhat is and you don't have a ruler around.
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According to that genius man's statement, you probably have a 4" youknowwhat.
I was actually thinking the same thing. Honestly i want something between the galaxy s ii's size and vibrant's size.. Vibrant is alittle too small and the SGS2 is a little too big
I have to tell you watching 720p MKV video on a Note is awesome. And its screen is night and day better than the Vibrant. It makes big different for everything, typing is easier, web browsing is easier, maps are wider, easier to read and more text on a page, not have to zoom in all the way to read pdf, much easier to control game's onscreen controllers.
Of course, as things pass 4.3 its not possible for single hand usage anymore. It's Android, at least you get a choice unlike Apple, there will be manu that will still make 4", if you don't like larger phones don't buy it. Or buy iPhone.
I do think as a handheld phone, above 5" is overkill though, so is 1080p at 5" (it will happen anyway), the text would be unreadable, they would probably raise the dpi to 440, the Note is 320. I think a good compromise is for Samsung to make for two categories, 4.3“ and 4.8". 5.3" is just too much.
It's like asking why you need 24" computer monitor when you are still using 15". Once you use it you will appreciate the screen estate. Also the new larger screen Galaxy are slimmer than the old ones. The Note is very thin.
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I have to tell you watching 720p MKV video on a Note is awesome. And its screen is night and day better than the Vibrant. It makes big different for everything, typing is easier, web browsing is easier, maps are wider, easier to read and more text on a page, not have to zoom in all the way to read pdf, much easier to control game's onscreen controllers.
Of course, as things pass 4.3 its not possible for single hand usage anymore. It's Android, at least you get a choice unlike Apple, there will be manu that will still make 4", if you don't like larger phones don't buy it. Or buy iPhone.
I do think as a handheld phone, above 5" is overkill though, so is 1080p at 5" (it will happen anyway), the text would be unreadable, they would probably raise the dpi to 440, the Note is 320. I think a good compromise is for Samsung to make for two categories, 4.3“ and 4.8". 5.3" is just too much.
It's like asking why you need 24" computer monitor when you are still using 15". Once you use it you will appreciate the screen estate. Also the new larger screen Galaxy are slimmer than the old ones. The Note is very thin.
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I agree that it has its benefits over smaller screens, but I think the market also wants something that's more poket friendly, I seen the note in person and its beautiful but its tablet more than phone..
Besides I want android not ios. And that is why I'm sticking with good ol' vibrant,
next iPhone will be 4" I foresee it
I used to have a 15" monitor then upgraded to a 25.5" its worth it because monitors are stationary so bigger is not a problem...plus a jump to 1900×1200 Res from 1360×768 yes please.
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Hey guys, as we know, the very first batch of any device likely will have some flaws. Hopefully this won't happen to the nexus 10. Anyway, Im a very picky consumer so I have to ensure my device is perfect. So I will list some of the things we need to check when the item arrives. feel free to give tips etc..
1/ Check the screen to see there are any dead pixels/ discolored area/ uneven white screen/ yellow or pink spots
2/ Light bleed
3/ any scratch on the body
4/Buttons are all good.
5/ Speakers
All I can think of so far..
also would want to check if the cameras, radios, ports, battery and other such components work properly, along with checking along the seams of the tablet to make sure it is solidly put together.
Microscope... check EVERY pixel.
I also have a few questions. It has to deal with the snap on cover if anyone got those (if they are out). When you unfold the cover does the screen light up like the iPad does with its smart cover. And also can the cover be used as a stand or does it just fall over? And how bad is the lag on Chrome compared to anyone who has used Safari on an iPad. Thanks. I'm hoping to switch from my ipad to the nexus 10!
Add couple more
1. Check GPS
2. Pixel check can be done with https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ossibussoftware.deadpixeltest&hl=en
Will Google even replaces screens with a couple dead pixels?
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duarian said:
Will Google even replaces screens with a couple dead pixels?
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Well in my case they'd be replacing the screen whether they intended to or not. If I had to, I'd just order a new one, then send the old one back in its place and say I changed my mind. And that just if they didn't want to exchange a clearly defective product. Up to them, but either way I'm going to make it right for myself in the end :good:
With 2560x1600 x3 sub-pixels (=12.288.000 pixels) you will very likely not get a sample without a single defective sub-pixel. Doesn't really matter either, a stuck sub-pixel at 300 DPI resolution is so small that it will be hard to find even if you "know" where it is.
My tab 10.1 and GS3 first batch were flawless. I expect a pretty close to perfect initial batch here as well. This isn't Asus or HTC.
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My tab 10.1 and GS3 first batch were flawless. I expect a pretty close to perfect initial batch here as well. This isn't Asus or HTC.
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Bam !
Good point !
Samsung has an excellent track record!
Nothing is for sure but every samsung product ive ever had has been perfect!
From my Note 2
It's not only about the company behind the product, it's also about math/probability.
Hint: Try counting the sub-pixels on the Galaxy 10.1 or S3 and compare to the N10.
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My tab 10.1 and GS3 first batch were flawless. I expect a pretty close to perfect initial batch here as well. This isn't Asus or HTC.
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not really...I guess it's a matter of luck. I bought my S3 in june and after 3 replacements, I got the satisfying one.
One thing concerns me the most is the screen. It's true that it's hard to get a screen without any dead pixels considering the huge amount of pixels. well, I really hope this won't happen since if I ever find out just one single dead pixel, it would turn me off really bad even if I normally can't see it. But you know, it is there... haha
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not really...I guess it's a matter of luck. I bought my S3 in june and after 3 replacements, I got the satisfying one.
One thing concerns me the most is the screen. It's true that it's hard to get a screen without any dead pixels considering the huge amount of pixels. well, I really hope this won't happen since if I ever find out just one single dead pixel, it would turn me off really bad even if I normally can't see it. But you know, it is there... haha
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I forgot to include the legendary GS2 as another first batch flawless device. It might be about luck sometimes but generally you can deduce when it is safe to buy a first batch.
I use two methods that I feel pretty good about.
One, like I said, my GS2, tab 10.1, and GS3 were all flawless first batches for me. I realize that using just myself as a sample size is pretty shady statistically but if you look at the posts of complaints of the GS3 in May/June, they are far less than most devices.
Two, we know for a fact that Samsung is not only a manufacturer, but one of the if not the best manufacturer. Sure HTC and Apple are moving away from them, but it is not because of the quality. People trust their factories and manufacturing processes so unless the Nexus 10 uses some fancy new manufacturing process, Samsung already has the wisdom and experience and chances are, they won't need to make many changes to the manufacturing process like others might.
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It's not only about the company behind the product, it's also about math/probability.
Hint: Try counting the sub-pixels on the Galaxy 10.1 or S3 and compare to the N10.
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I'm not so sure we should expect the majority of units to have dead pixels. I deal a lot with high resolution 2560x1600 computer monitors and very rarely do I encounter dead/stuck pixels. You're right that they would be harder to notice because of the high pixel density, but I'll use pixel checker and send it back if there's an issue. Just because it's a smaller screen doesn't mathematically necessitate pixel issues. The 13in retina macbook pro has almost the same pixel density and of the few I've tested, none have any pixel issues.
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I'm not so sure we should expect the majority of units to have dead pixels. I deal a lot with high resolution 2560x1600 computer monitors and very rarely do I encounter dead/stuck pixels. You're right that they would be harder to notice because of the high pixel density, but I'll use pixel checker and send it back if there's an issue. Just because it's a smaller screen doesn't mathematically necessitate pixel issues. The 13in retina macbook pro has almost the same pixel density and of the few I've tested, none have any pixel issues.
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Are you really spending maybe 15-30 minutes (if that's enough) to check each display in a dark room with dark-adapted eyes?
I'm asking that because as an example my Nexus 7 has 1 stuck blue sub-pixel almost smack in the middle of the screen, I know where it is and I still need about 10-20 seconds in a dark room with a (mostly) black screen to find it again - in daylight it's just plainly impossible to locate it. On a Retina/N10/WQXGA display this will be even harder.
It's my personal opinion that a lot of the people posting here how their displays are perfect with zero errors just never see any of their stuck/dark sub-pixels. They're really that hard to find unless you have bad luck and get a completely broken pixel or a cluster of broken sub-pixels in close proximity.
Valynor said:
Are you really spending maybe 15-30 minutes (if that's enough) to check each display in a dark room with dark-adapted eyes?
I'm asking that because as an example my Nexus 7 has 1 stuck blue sub-pixel almost smack in the middle of the screen, I know where it is and I still need about 10-20 seconds in a dark room with a (mostly) black screen to find it again - in daylight it's just plainly impossible to locate it. On a Retina/N10/WQXGA display this will be even harder.
It's my personal opinion that a lot of the people posting here how their displays are perfect with zero errors just never see any of their stuck/dark sub-pixels. They're really that hard to find unless you have bad luck and get a completely broken pixel or a cluster of broken sub-pixels in close proximity.
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first thing I do is go to my closet and turn the brightness all the way up... lol I can not live with dead pixels..
rookiegenius said:
first thing I do is go to my closet and turn the brightness all the way up... lol I can not live with dead pixels..
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Whatever brings more happiness into your live ...
My personal view on sub-pixel errors is: if I have to search for them to see them ... I don't really care about them.
A full stuck/dark pixel (or anything that catches the eye) is a reason to send the device back though, no doubt about that.
rookiegenius said:
first thing I do is go to my closet and turn the brightness all the way up... lol I can not live with dead pixels..
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I thought I was a bit wierd doing this to test for Light Bleed! lol I feel slightly better now!
rookiegenius said:
first thing I do is go to my closet and turn the brightness all the way up... lol I can not live with dead pixels..
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I tend to do that anyway for light bleed... That's my worry. My Nexus 7 has pretty bad light bleed, and i'm okay with that because it's a cheap tablet, but I won't be happy if the Nexus 10 has bleed like that one. I can deal with a minor amount around the edges, but it's really annoying if it extends to the center of the screen, etc.
Valynor said:
With 2560x1600 x3 sub-pixels (=12.288.000 pixels) you will very likely not get a sample without a single defective sub-pixel. Doesn't really matter either, a stuck sub-pixel at 300 DPI resolution is so small that it will be hard to find even if you "know" where it is.
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Not really true. My monitor is 2560x1440 and I promise you, there are no dead pixels. Granted it's 27", and the Nexus is only 10", it may be a little harder to see, but throw up solid color backgrounds and you will probably see it.
Got it today .. design is nice but the screen is AWFUL !! DISGUSTING !
And this cost 500 pounds ..?!?!?! Only stupid will buy it for that price !!
I got it for 300 and gonna sell it back ..
I dont know what samsung thinking with his AMOLED screens .. it is just crap.. i can see micro dots on it .. i had IPS honor 6 phone and it has crystal clear screen and bright .. this isn't bright at all !
Simona Simmy said:
Got it today .. design is nice but the screen is AWFUL !! DISGUSTING !
And this cost 500 pounds ..?!?!?! Only stupid will buy it for that price !!
I got it for 300 and gonna sell it back ..
I dont know what samsung thinking with his AMOLED screens .. it is just crap.. i can see micro dots on it .. i had IPS honor 6 phone and it has crystal clear screen and bright .. this isn't bright at all !
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Sorry to hear that. It might be that you got a faulty device. I have the Alpha since the first days it cane out and i'm happy with the clarity of the screen and can't see any dots unless i use a magnifying glass.
As per the colors though, i think Sammy could have done a better job with the whites. I find not to be a pure white but aome hazy white
neofral said:
Sorry to hear that. It might be that you got a faulty device. I have the Alpha since the first days it cane out and i'm happy with the clarity of the screen and can't see any dots unless i use a magnifying glass.
As per the colors though, i think Sammy could have done a better job with the whites. I find not to be a pure white but aome hazy white
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No no I don't have faulty alpha..
I just comparing phones.. And I had Honor 6 and it has IPS screen and that is BEST screen today!!
I put P7 next to each other and Samsung screens are not good.. Darker and I can see micro dots..
Amoled is not impresive..
Have the Alpha for 2 months and I am very happy.. I compared my alpha and my moto x and Alpha looks better to me. I ditched all latest flagship fone for Alpha btw.. And my moto x and Lg pro are inside my treasure box now..
limitbreak09 said:
Have the Alpha for 2 months and I am very happy.. I compared my alpha and my moto x and Alpha looks better to me. I ditched all latest flagship fone for Alpha btw.. And my moto x and Lg pro are inside my treasure box now..
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Did u root it?
Honor 6:
ips
Brightness: 482.2cd/m²
black: 0.50cd/m2
contrast: 964:1
95.1 per cent sRGB colour gamut coverage
Galaxy Alpha:
amoled
Brightness: 325cd/m²
black: 0
contrast: infinite
100 per cent sRGB colour gamut coverage
diamond Pentile matrix
conclusion: Yes the honor 6 has a brighter screen but the samsung has better black-values, contrast and colour reproduction. Unfortunately it also has a diamond pentile matrix screen which lets you little dots when viewing very close.
Sources:
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/mobile-phones/1402010/huawei-honor-6-review
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/mobi...axy-alpha-review-a-truly-desirable-smartphone
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Honor 6:
ips
Brightness: 482.2cd/m²
black: 0.50cd/m2
contrast: 964:1
95.1 per cent sRGB colour gamut coverage
Galaxy Alpha:
amoled
Brightness: 325cd/m²
black: 0
contrast: infinite
100 per cent sRGB colour gamut coverage
diamond Pentile matrix
conclusion: Yes the honor 6 has a brighter screen but the samsung has better black-values, contrast and colour reproduction. Unfortunately it also has a diamond pentile matrix screen which lets you little dots when viewing very close.
Sources:
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/mobile-phones/1402010/huawei-honor-6-review
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/mobi...axy-alpha-review-a-truly-desirable-smartphone
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Well i mentioned honor 6 bcos i sold it to buy alpha.. wel.. all live with it couple of months
I compared it with Ascend P7 and iphone 5 .. they are nice clean white and letters are smooth not pixelated..
Thing is IPS display is a MUST today they did great job on moving forward with LCDs..
Did you really expect anything different.
Its a Pentile Display yuk
Plus its overpriced theres no way I'd pay £500 for this, especially with its small battery.
When I could get a Z3C for less than £350
King p1n said:
Did you really expect anything different.
Its a Pentile Display yuk
Plus its overpriced theres no way I'd pay £500 for this, especially with its small battery.
When I could get a Z3C for less than £350
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Overpriced? - yes, i agree.
Small battery? - hmmmm, it's small yes. but gets me through the day without problems with relatively moderate use.
Z3C? - no, thanks. i got disappointed since camera looses quality after root. check out the Z3C forum and see the tons of disappointments there. i'm sure much more issues than Alpha.
King p1n said:
Did you really expect anything different.
Its a Pentile Display yuk
Plus its overpriced theres no way I'd pay £500 for this, especially with its small battery.
When I could get a Z3C for less than £350
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what is overpriced ??!?!? I paid £250 for honor 6 ..
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what is overpriced ??!?!? I paid £250 for honor 6 ..
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The Galaxy Alpha
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The Galaxy Alpha
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well if u know where to buy .. u can get cheaper.. I got my alpha for £300+postage £4.50..
neofral said:
Overpriced? - yes, i agree.
Small battery? - hmmmm, it's small yes. but gets me through the day without problems with relatively moderate use.
Z3C? - no, thanks. i got disappointed since camera looses quality after root. check out the Z3C forum and see the tons of disappointments there. i'm sure much more issues than Alpha.
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tomorrow i m going to buy Alpha Gold ,
Alpha display is very good and best ever
may be its issue with wallpaper / Lockscreen resolution by touchwiz
Note 4 has same problem
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/issue-wallpaper-quality-t2947161
@Simona Simmy , i think u got fake Alpha , korean version or Goophone version Alpha , u can see it on youtube
kktkaran said:
tomorrow i m going to buy Alpha Gold ,
Alpha display is very good and best ever
may be its issue with wallpaper / Lockscreen resolution by touchwiz
Note 4 has same problem
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/issue-wallpaper-quality-t2947161
@Simona Simmy , i think u got fake Alpha , korean version or Goophone version Alpha , u can see it on youtube
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no mate no ..alpha is real.. my standards are higher than your .. there is no any fake .. for alpha .. u must see honor 6 or P7 display first and then this..
The screen does suck for such an expensive phone. There are different kinds of amoled displays. And this one is not one of the top-tier ones. It's like Samsung opted for the semi premium feel on this device. The screen is obviously not their best. The screen is clear and I found to adjust the colors a bit in display settings gave a nice result. - This is how ever really an objective opinion, colors.
Having used a 1080p screen, on even bigger devices this 720p pentile display disappoints me in a major way too. It's one of those screens that really makes the pixels stand out when you get remotely close to the phone. I don't like that in an expensive phone. But hey, most of the time I don't get that close to it anyways. On normal use it looks just fine. I would have just expected more from a top-tier Samsung device. Pouring money into the metal frame and then leaving the screen with older technology is only covering half the distance from Samsung. But yeah, deal with it or return the phone. This phone has a great size and I'd say for the design and such, none touches it atm. The pentile display could have been better. :/ It's just like, I have a red icon on my home screen, and I can see on the lines of it that the pixels "stiches" finely into the background color in a pattern. I can't see it when I take a screenshot and transfer it to my PC, this is so common on smartphones and it's really disappointing when you know you can get loads better screens. But oh well. I thought 720p on a 4,7 incher would be almost if not as good as 1080p on a 5,5 (OnePlus One), but it's just not. But I suspect the pentile amoled technology has something to do with that too. Colors are great, the rest is just balls.
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The screen does suck for such an expensive phone. There are different kinds of amoled displays. And this one is not one of the top-tier ones. It's like Samsung opted for the semi premium feel on this device. The screen is obviously not their best. The screen is clear and I found to adjust the colors a bit in display settings gave a nice result. - This is how ever really an objective opinion, colors.
Having used a 1080p screen, on even bigger devices this 720p pentile display disappoints me in a major way too. It's one of those screens that really makes the pixels stand out when you get remotely close to the phone. I don't like that in an expensive phone. But hey, most of the time I don't get that close to it anyways. On normal use it looks just fine. I would have just expected more from a top-tier Samsung device. Pouring money into the metal frame and then leaving the screen with older technology is only covering half the distance from Samsung. But yeah, deal with it or return the phone. This phone has a great size and I'd say for the design and such, none touches it atm. The pentile display could have been better. :/ It's just like, I have a red icon on my home screen, and I can see on the lines of it that the pixels "stiches" finely into the background color in a pattern. I can't see it when I take a screenshot and transfer it to my PC, this is so common on smartphones and it's really disappointing when you know you can get loads better screens. But oh well. I thought 720p on a 4,7 incher would be almost if not as good as 1080p on a 5,5 (OnePlus One), but it's just not. But I suspect the pentile amoled technology has something to do with that too. Colors are great, the rest is just balls.
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You have the RIGHT words .. that is WHY I wud never spend so much money .. I searched for cheapest.. on ebay...
Well it is mid-range phone and price is hight bcos logo ''samsung'' is printed on it .. same like sony was doing years...
Ill keep it bcos of design.. best design of smartphones.. there is another beutiful slim phone
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