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PLEASE READ THE OP! YOU MAY NOT THINK SO, BUT THERE IS INFORMATION HERE THAT MAY SAVE YOU TIME AND HEADACHES!
This is a flashable zip of the Galaxy Tab email app for 2.2.1 Roms. It does not work properly with exchange in 2.2 Roms, so please do not use if you are on a 2.2 Rom and need to use exchange. If you do not use exchange and are on a 2.2 or 2.2.1 Rom, it will work fine!
HISTORY: This app was ported to the Vibrant last year and was modded by XDA member, 'smoothone' who fixed the resolution for the Vibrant. Before that, the app was too large for the lower resolution Vibrant screen. It had many problems for exchange users which were only resolved when Froyo 2.2.1 was released. This app has extraordinary functionality, including multi-delete and support for all versions of exchange. It doesn't exactly support 'push' for corporate exchange accounts, but you can set it to sync on an interval of five minutes.
It has been tested and reported working perfectly in both Bionix Frost, Simply Galaxy/Sweet Honey, and Bi-Winning all 2.2.1 Roms. If you encounter any problems, please be clear in describing what exactly is going wrong. Screenshots are in the second and third posts below.
Instruction for setting up Yahoo accounts in Android.
IMAP is another way you can get Yahoo! Mail on your phone. Using IMAP you can download messages with your mobile client, so you can access your mail even when not connected to the mobile Internet.
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How to set up Yahoo! Mail with your mobile client using IMAP
On your phone, press < Home >, then open the Email application.
On the 'Your accounts' page, select Next to get started with setup.
Enter your full Yahoo! address and password, then select Next.
On the next screen, you can give the account a nickname and choose the name to display on your outgoing messages. Tap Done.
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If prompted, supply the following information:
Incoming Server - imap.mail.yahoo.com
Outgoing Server - smtp.mail.yahoo.com
Incoming Port - 993 (requires SSL)
Outgoing Port - 465 (requires SSL)
Username: full email address ([email protected])
Password: is the password you login to Yahoo! with
Note! The setup menu on your phone will take you through the incoming server settings first (incoming server,then incoming port, then check a box for 'ssl' required...) and then you can set up the outgoing server settings.
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Instructions for setting up 'Push' for Hotmail and Gmail
FOR HOTMAIL: Open the email app and tap 'Menu' then 'Account Manager' then 'Add Account'. Type in your full 'Username and Password' ([email protected]) then select Manual 'Setup'. Out of the three choices choose 'Exchange account'. Your Domain\Username will appear with a backward slash. You must add '@hotmail.com' to it. The only other thing you need to change here is the server setting to 'm.hotmail.com'. Use ssl will already be checked. Tap 'Next'. NOTE: This may work for '[email protected]', and '[email protected]' too, but that has not been confirmed.
FOR GMAIL: Open the email app and tap 'Menu' then 'Account Manager' then 'Add Account'. Type in your full 'Username and Password' ([email protected]) then select 'Manual Setup'. Out of the three choices choose 'Exchange account'. Your Domain\Username will appear with a backward slash. You must add '@gmail.com' to it. The only thing you need to change here is the server setting to 'm.google.com'. Use ssl will already be checked. Tap 'Next'.
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NEW***NEW***NEW***
Thanks to krad42 we now have a version with security removed! He can explain it better than me.
I was sick of using pin mode to unlock my phone every time I locked it. Keep in mind there is a purpose of the security tools, prevent unauthorized access and remote wipe incase your phone gets lost. I am actually using delay lock app from market with this setup so that the phone will prompt for pin after a set period of time, but not every time I close out. Go ahead and make a flashable if you would like, hopefully it will be useful for others. Be safe, follow krad's advice and use the 'DelayedLock' app from the Market!
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Credit: We all owe 'Smoothone' a big thanks for fixing the resolution of the app for our phones!
Thank anyone who helps you out with any problems by hitting their 'Thanks' button and please, be civil. Enjoy!
Raymond,
Thank you for this as well as the rom explanation. I've been trying to get it to work with Bionix V1.3.1 and now I know the problem.
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Here are some Screenshots in landscape mode!
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Here are some more plus one in Portrait mode!
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Raymond,
Thank you for this as well as the rom explanation. I've been trying to get it to work with Bionix V1.3.1 and now I know the problem.
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Wow, that was fast! I hadn't finished setting things up yet, lol! That reminds me that it works fine if you are not using exchange and I should add that to the OP!
I saw in another post that you have one that gets by the security lock tool. Can you post that version.
Thanks
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Seems like exchange issues are dependant on the version of the exchange server that someone is synching with. I had all kinds of issues when my job had exchange 2007. Now they are running 2010 and I have not had any issues with stock or tab versions.
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I saw in another post that you have one that gets by the security lock tool. Can you post that version.
Thanks
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Yes, I can. That one is the stock version however. I think I can find it although it is not in a flashable. If you need it that way, let me know.
XDA member, djmz, modded this one.
Exchange 2010
Seems like exchange issues are dependant on the version of the exchange server that someone is synching with. I had all kinds of issues when my job had exchange 2007. Now they are running 2010 and I have not had any issues with stock or tab versions.
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Thanks for that information!
Can you post tab version with sec bypass. Thanks.
The stock one did work with no security lock down..
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"It has been tested and reported working perfectly in both Bionix Frost and Simply Galaxy/Sweet Honey, both 2.2.1 Roms."
Raymond, do you use it with Trigger without any issues?
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Can you post tab version with sec bypass. Thanks.
The stock one did work with no security lock down..
Sweet
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Sorry it took me so long to reply, but I can't connect in Firefox for some reason today either on Windows or Ubuntu and IE isn't working so fast either although it is working. Anyway, sad to say I don't know of a Tab version with the security disabled. There were two tools able to do that made for use with HTC phones. Other devs modded those applications and got it working for other devices. Problem was no one managed to do it for the Galaxy Tab version that I know of. It was about that time that Froyo 2.2.1 was released and all efforts seemed to die out. I did try to contact smoothone and let him know there was a tool to remove security, but he had received a ban from XDA and was unreachable. Another user posted that he was leaving xda after his ban. If you have the ablility, I can put you in touch with those threads tonight if you want to take a crack at modding it for the Tab version.
Edit: I'll try looking into it tomorrow also, but I can make no promises of success.
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"It has been tested and reported working perfectly in both Bionix Frost and Simply Galaxy/Sweet Honey, both 2.2.1 Roms."
Raymond, do you use it with Trigger without any issues?
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Yes I do, but I don't use exchange. I use it to access both my yahoo and gmail accounts. The only strange thing that happens is I get an error message when I use the app while connected to my wifi, but all the emails load anyway.
If you have the threads handy I'll take a look.
Thanks
is there a certain way you have to set this up? i went to setup my yahoo and it keep giving me invalid username or password...
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If you have the threads handy I'll take a look.
Thanks
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I had very little chance of finding this again but luckily I came by my old post to, smoothone. That link is the ticket to one of those apps I told you about. I'll try for the other one tonight!
I don't know where you are on this, but I think I've found something else you could use to solve the exchange problems with the Galaxy Tab once and for all. [APP] **Updated 12/27/2010** Email.apk - Gingerbread src code w/o Exchange security I guess the idea is to remove the ability of the app the look for a security code. I don't know, it's all French to me, LOL!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=775007
I tried to pm you, but that wouldn't go through. If you do anything with this, let me know. It would be nice to have this app working for those using exchange on what is now called the 'Obsidian' Rom again!
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Edit: Found it! This is the thread where that stock app with the security removed originated. Djmz, I think did it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=655649
RaymondPJR said:
I had very little chance of finding this again but luckily I came by my old post to, smoothone. That link is the ticket to one of those apps I told you about. I'll try for the other one tonight!
Edit: Found it! This is the thread where that stock app with the security removed originated. Djmz, I think did it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=655649
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Thanks for the link, I was able to get the new tab email client working with no security policy getting pushed down. Confirmed working on Sweet Honey Exchange server 2010. Modified client attached for anyone that wants to try it out.
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is there a certain way you have to set this up? i went to setup my yahoo and it keep giving me invalid username or password...
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Sorry I missed you post earlier. I used to get that error message when connected to wifi on my yahoo account. I just checked, and I don't get it anymore. (Strange) I would try deleting your yahoo account on the phone and going to menu>setting>applications>manage applications>all tab> scroll down to account and sync settings (actually it's third in the list on my phone) tap that and delete any cache and data (if there is any). Then scroll down to the email app and delete cache and data for that (there definitely should be some). Then reboot and reset your yahoo account. Let me know if that works.
Edit: Sorry I forgot all about Imap! Something changed when setting up yahoo in android from my last rom to this one. I had the instructions in my file the whole time. The setup menu on the phone will take you through the incoming server settings first (incoming server,then incoming port, then check a box for 'ssl' required...) and then you can set up the outgoing server settings.
IMAP is another way you can get Yahoo! Mail on your phone. Using IMAP you can download messages with your mobile client, so you can access your mail even when not connected to the mobile Internet.
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How to set up Yahoo! Mail with your mobile client using IMAP
On your phone, press < Home >, then open the Email application.
On the 'Your accounts' page, select Next to get started with setup.
Enter your full Yahoo! address and password, then select Next.
On the next screen, you can give the account a nickname and choose the name to display on your outgoing messages. Tap Done.
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If prompted, supply the following information:
Incoming Server - imap.mail.yahoo.com
Outgoing Server - smtp.mail.yahoo.com
Incoming Port - 993 (requires SSL)
Outgoing Port - 465 (requires SSL)
Username: full email address ([email protected])
Password: is the password you login to Yahoo! with
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Thanks for the link, I was able to get the new tab email client working with no security policy getting pushed down. Confirmed working on Sweet Honey Exchange server 2010. Modified client attached for anyone that wants to try it out.
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You certainly are fast! You know, I pm'd several devs about doing what you did today and never got a reply. Thank you so very much! I have a question though: Since you had no problems with the original or stock versions with exchange 2010 why did you want a version minus the security feature? And, do you mind if I place you .apk in a flashable zip and offer it to 2.2 users for testing (I'll make sure to credit you). Security wasn't the only problem with the Tab email unfortunately. I'd like to get some feedback from exchange users still on 2.2 Roms.
I was sick of using pin mode to unlock my phone every time I locked it. Keep in mind there is a purpose of the security tools, prevent unauthorized access and remote wipe incase your phone gets lost. I am actually using delay lock app from market with this setup so that the phone will prompt for pin after a set period of time, but not every time I close out. Go ahead and make a flashable if you would like, hopefully it will be useful for others.
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I live off of my phone for work and absolutely love the stock Sense 3.0 integration into MS Exchange server. I'm able to search for contacts in our GAL easily, search for email on the server, email a recently accessed email (history) not in my list...the list goes on. Its all of those things that outlook does so that you dont have to ever touch your contacts list.
NOW, that being said I'd like to get away from stock. I'm new to the scene of flashing and dont plan to do it often. I was however looking for a ROM that preserves the email functionality described above without a crappy third party email app (i hate touchdown). I'm also looking for some flash and over improvements without slowing my phone down.
Ideas, opinions? Warm 2.3 sounded interesting and looked good. I like the additional mods etc.
Pretty much any rom will be able to sync with exchange. The mail app on most roms is still the stock htc email application which allows you to search on the server and when sending an email will automatically search your GAL. Every rom I have tried has played nice with exchange. I'm in the same boat as you are, I live off exchange server for work (and manage it too).
The only issues i've come across are sometimes a specific build of a rom wouldn't sync properly over 3g with exchange through the phones email app. I could pull up OWA without issue, but it just wouldn't sync through the phone as normal. But, just flashed a different rom and it was back to normal. It seems that I'm flashing a new one about once a week anyways.
Any sense based rom "should" be a non issue with exchange, senseless (sense based with it removed) would be next best, AOSP being the most likely to have a bug or issue but try them anyways. Totally different feel in those roms.
Let me know if you have any questions and ill try to help as much as I can.
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Thanks fr validating this. Always tough to jump in before knowing the details.
That being said do you have a top 3 favorites of sense roms?
Hi, there
New to this forum group, having just taken delivery of SGS2, with three.co.uk.
Prior to this I had an HTC HD2 with O2 UK, and made much use of the HD2 forum groups in modding that phone.
This forum group has been so active, I see a steep learning curve ahead. This is all to the good - it means folks are enthusiastic about this phone.
A major reason for me choosing the SGS2 was that Samsung Exchange client supports SMS sync with Exchange 2010 accounts.
This is vital for work, as I can send up to 1000 sms a month to clients and staff.
With SMS sync, I can keep a message history for past and current issues and projects.
My question is: should I stick to the standard Samsung ROM (it isn't "3" branded, as I got it through a reseller, and came unlocked) to keep SMS sync?
Or, can I give in to my inner geek and get modding?
There seem to be 2 main branches for mods - Samsung ROM based and "other" ROM based.
If I were to install a modded ROM would I preserve the functionality?
Or, could I reinstall the Samsung Exchange client if it wasn't present in a modded ROM?
Please excuse me if the answer is out there. I have done extensive reading and searching, but haven't found an answer yet.
If the answer to my question is "search some more, son, this has been answered already", please let me know politely.
I would suggest learning first which things do you need to be able to run SMS sync. If the only thing you need its Samsung Exchange Client, you can use any ROM you like and you can install Samsung Exchange Client app in there so you would be able to run SMS sync without problems.
If SMS sync requires certain kernel or more deeper system stuff, it would be harder to move to another ROM.
Hi, AzureusPT, and thanks for replying
I suspect it is just the Samsung Exchange client I need - it is the only one, other than WM6.1/6.5 that has the SMS sync feature enabled. Standard Android and other variants (HTC, etc.), Apple and Windows Phone 7/7.5 don't enable the necessary features.
I've tried Nitrodesk Touchdown (on a HTC Wildfire I set up for my Mom as a second phone) and it's implementation is spotty.
I guess you're right - I will have to bite the bullet and try out various options. It will be the only way to know for sure what is necessary. From your comment, I take it the Samsung email (Exchange) client is available as a separate download?
Also, I see you are using HyperDroid-Androidmeda - I was thinking of giving that a go as my first ROM rooting adventure. Is it a variant of the Samsung ROM?
I'd also be very interested about this.
Here's another (older) thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1012634
Hi Guys,
I have recently installed the 12070 F/W on my Lumia 800 phone and last night an email was sent out to all 500 contacts that I have for no reason. There was an email attachment in the form of a web address which, when opened, brought you to a page in a magazine called Business Journal.
I am really worried this morning. I need to email all of my contacts to warn them of this. But what do I do with the phone, do I have a virus on it? If so, how did it get there and what do I need to do to remove it??
Guidance right now much appreciated.
It's nearly impossible to send something from wp7 without user interaction.
I think that your PC is a victim or someone guessed your password to e-mail account.
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It's nearly impossible to send something from wp7 without user interaction.
I think that your PC is a victim or someone guessed your password to e-mail account.
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Thanks for your ideas on this. This all happened last night when I was not even using the phone and my lappy was switched off. The mails was sent to absloutely everyone in my WP7 phone book :-(
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Thanks for your ideas on this. This all happened last night when I was not even using the phone and my lappy was switched off. The mails was sent to absloutely everyone in my WP7 phone book :-(
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I doubt that something can send emails from your WP7 without your consent. Your contacts are also saved in your Live Account accesible from your PC. It could be possible that something has logged the Password on the PC and sent to a third person. You should make sure that your PC is always equipped with the latest antivirus. Also you should Keep in mind that Windows Live offers to sent you an one time Password via sms in case you Need to sign in from un untrusted PC.
It's absolutely impossible it has something to do with the phone. My guess is that someone got your Windows Live password and sent it from there...
Change you password asap
Done today, thanks. I was so surprised. I guess if someone had the password they could have done this online in my account without me knowing. First thing I knew was 66 undeliverable notifications on my phone late late night
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The mails was sent to absloutely everyone in my WP7 phone book :-(
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So it was also sent to every Contact in your Live Account and/or Google Account. I guess someone had access to one of those.
Yes the mail was sent to every contact in my live account. It was simply a link to a buisness journal wzine as far as I could see; not a virus but a spam message. I have changed my password to access my LIVE account in th ehope that this will end it.
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Yes the mail was sent to every contact in my live account. It was simply a link to a buisness journal wzine as far as I could see; not a virus but a spam message. I have changed my password to access my LIVE account in th ehope that this will end it.
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It's your email account that got hacked. Happened to my friend too, and he has an android. It's not your phone and possibly not your laptop either. It's your live account that got hacked by spam or virus.
actually not impossible
I also think that its impossible to mail/edit through wp phone api, making it nearly impossible to make viruses in traditional terms. Also for marketplace there are are some virus scanning made of apps on submission.
However app behaviour is another thing...
Think about the following scenario:
You install a smart dialer (for example) that requires access to contacts, owner identity and data services.
Without Your consent and knowledge the app harvests and sends of information from Your device.
The sum of all is that: yes, it might be a app on Your phone that is behind the mailing as well as it might be malware on your pc.
Don't install apps from unknown developers that requires more permissions then what seems ok.
Thanks for all your replies.
Seems like it has been an attack on my windows live mail account. Have changed password and will now do so every 90 days or so as recommended by microsoft. I have also checked all apps on my phone and there are none that i can see accessing my contacts. But I will continue to check.
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Thanks for all your replies.
Seems like it has been an attack on my windows live mail account. Have changed password and will now do so every 90 days or so as recommended by microsoft. I have also checked all apps on my phone and there are none that i can see accessing my contacts. But I will continue to check.
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There is no API for sending emails without the phone owner's confirmation so it is impossible. Though be careful when giving your email to websites (and apps too) as they can use it to send spam. Sending email from any address does not need a password.
Hey everyone, this thread is both to let everyone know of a possible issue in Android M and to poll the community to see if this issue is isolated or if we will all be seeing it. First a bit of background on how the security policies work in Exchange ActiveSync as I understand it:
- When you assign an Exchange policy for ActiveSync devices you can basically tell it to require a password or not, encryption, etc. From there the OS of the device determines what that means. For example in Android if you are set to require a password it disables Pattern, Swipe and Face Unlock as choices for securing your phone. It assigns each a security level something like: Swipe = Not secure, Pattern = Weak security, Face Unlock = Medium Security (those are just examples.... I'm not saying thats what they are actually are) and the OS decides what level of security is acceptable when the password requirement is set. It also disables features like Smart Lock for trusted locations/bluetooth devices
As one of the admins of my own network I long ago set my policy to NOT require a password but I still do configure and use a PIN to secure my phone. The reason I set my device to not require a password was solely for the Smart Lock feature.
So the other day I flashed a 6.0 ROM on my Nexus 4 (no factory images available obviously). So I joined my phone to my Exchange server before I had setup any security and shockingly it said that it required I have a PIN. I double-checked my policy on the server and I am most definitely set to not require a password still. So now even with that policy set I am not able to use my phone without a PIN and am not able to use the Smart Lock feature and my fear is that this will also include not being able to unlock my phone with the fingerprint sensor (ouch!)
I'm sure many of you are thinking exactly what I did and that it was an issue with the ROM since it was a port. So with that in mind I setup my Exchange account on my freshly factory imaged Nexus 9 tablet and the exact same issue happens with it.
So either Google jacked up the security settings when connecting an Exchange account or there is a bug that causes the requirement of a PIN even if your policy is set not to.
Anyone else running Android 6.0 connected to an Exchange server that previously did not require a password and now does? One of the things I was most looking forward to was being able to secure my phone using my fingerprint instead of a PIN so this is a big bummer for me
If I am not mistaken, requiring a PIN is the policy of android pay, which comes default with Marshmallow, and is also a device manager. This makes sense, because Google wouldn't want someone draining your bank account in addition to stealing your phone.
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If I am not mistaken, requiring a PIN is the policy of android pay, which comes default with Marshmallow. This makes sense, because you wouldn't want someone draining your bank account in addition to stealing your phone.
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If I dont join my Exchange server I can set any type of security I want so its not related to that
Wow, that's pretty upsetting. I too run my own Exchange Server. I always use PIN but I like the Smart Lock feature. And of course I had expected to use the fingerprint sensor. I wonder if rooting and using a combination of Tasker and the Secure Settings plug-in would allow you to get around it.
I currently have an HTC M8 and 6.0 is supposed to be out for it before the end of the month. I guess I'll load that and see how it works.
My Nexus 6 had been on M since the previews. I have a pin and I use smartlock with my moto 360. It's mostly unlocked and exchange works fine. My servers are set to require passwords and everyone at work has iphones with finger print and they work with that also.
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My Nexus 6 had been on M since the previews. I have a pin and I use smartlock with my moto 360. It's mostly unlocked and exchange works fine. My servers are set to require passwords and everyone at work has iphones with finger print and they work with that also.
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What version of Exchange? We are running the latest 2013. My Smart Lock menu is completely greyed out and says "Disabled by administrator"
I am using Exchange 2013 and have no issues with my Nexus 5x. I am using smartlock with my Huawei Watch, location, and facelock. Maybe I'm confused about the issue here.
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I am using Exchange 2013 and have no issues with my Nexus 5x. I am using smartlock with my Huawei Watch, location, and facelock. Maybe I'm confused about the issue here.
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Nope you are understanding. I flashed 6.0 then activated my phone on my Exchange server and now it says my Smart Lock is disabled by administrator despite my policy not even requiring a password.... very odd
I use mobimail through the OWA instead of going through the Exchange Server Active Sync
I am using Nine as my exchange email client, that allows me to set a Pin on the email itself instead of needing it on the phone. Our company requires a PIN or a Password for mobile usage.
I'm using touchdown and a hosted exchange, no phone pin, nexus 5, Android 6.0 and no issues
I have used Nine before. It's not bad. Touchdown (the last time I used it) was complete garbage.
Anyone using the Gmail app that can still use smart lock in M?
I use touchdown so it's independent of my OS therefore i can set it only on the app.
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I have used Nine before. It's not bad. Touchdown (the last time I used it) was complete garbage.
Anyone using the Gmail app that can still use smart lock in M?
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I must admit it's got worse since symantec bought it..... but i paid for it when it was cheap and it still works so may as well make use of it.
can you post the exchange server-side security settings here? i wouldn't be surprised if google did something to "up" the security of their exchange apk. also - testing with a third party app would be a valid test as well. remove all exchange accounts from your device, confirm your basic security is re-enabled and then try an app (like nine). if the app requires security configuration, it's server-based.
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can you post the exchange server-side security settings here? i wouldn't be surprised if google did something to "up" the security of their exchange apk. also - testing with a third party app would be a valid test as well. remove all exchange accounts from your device, confirm your basic security is re-enabled and then try an app (like nine). if the app requires security configuration, it's server-based.
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Just an update to this....
I went ahead and removed my Exchange account and immediately was able to access those other features that were previously greyed out. I then installed Nine and setup my account there and it allows me to use it without any security at all. Very odd
EDIT: Wow... Nine has improved! I might go this route anyway. I also like having my work account in a separate app as there has been a few times when I've sent a work email from my gmail account
Ok and not only does Nine have a Dark theme but it has a "True Black" option which I'm guessing was made specifically for AMOLED.... too good not to use!
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I am using Nine as my exchange email client, that allows me to set a Pin on the email itself instead of needing it on the phone. Our company requires a PIN or a Password for mobile usage.
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I use Nine as well, love it.
My company requires a pin or password, but I'm also able to use a pattern, which is much better than a pin or password for ease of use. Your fingerprint scanner on the new Nexus will be an option in addition to pin or password. No worries, it will all work.
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Ok and not only does Nine have a Dark theme but it has a "True Black" option which I'm guessing was made specifically for AMOLED.... too good not to use!
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also - you can change the notification icon from their little circle thingy to something that actually looks like a mail icon.
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also - you can change the notification icon from their little circle thingy to something that actually looks like a mail icon.
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Very nice! It also does per folder notification which is just about the only reason I rooted my phone previously....