I'm on my second Galaxy Player after failing to install a bootloader for Cyanogenmod. I've seen around here that many simpler ROMs can be installed via Odin. These ROMs require kernels (DailyDriver etc.). What I want to know is that is the kernel as boot level as the bootloader? If something goes wrong with installing the kernel, will download mode still work? Thanks all for the help, I want to experience custom ROMs, but I can't afford a third one of these devices.
Basicly I'm not "pro" I suggest you to root your phone and then search for the highest performance ROM, but be carefully whit the instructions cause some ROM's require custom kernels.
Hit the THANKS button if my post was usefull!
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Mistev
What I had been looking at were Eryigit Custom ROM and Chip. Both require Entropy512's kernel for my device. I have the file for the stock kernel, so I just want the piece of mind that if Entropy512's doesn't install, I can revert it to the stock.
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I'm on my second Galaxy Player after failing to install a bootloader for Cyanogenmod. I've seen around here that many simpler ROMs can be installed via Odin. These ROMs require kernels (DailyDriver etc.). What I want to know is that is the kernel as boot level as the bootloader? If something goes wrong with installing the kernel, will download mode still work? Thanks all for the help, I want to experience custom ROMs, but I can't afford a third one of these devices.
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For cyanogenmod 9 you don't need to install a bootloader. You just install the zip file in recovery and that's it. If you do flash a kernel, download mode will still be available even if the flash fails. You will either be able to access download mode from the key combo or using a USB jig. If something goes very wrong, then you will end up in forced download mode where you can flash a kernel and everything will be fine
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I had actually bought a USB jig, but my device was too far gone, and even that didn't work. I've pretty much decided to stay on Gingerbread ROMs because of that experience (I had tried and failed at CM9).
Thanks both of you! I'm now on a custom ROM and I didn't break anything.
I use a jig for all of my flashing..I lost ability to boot to download mode and recovery mode with buttons completely.that 2 dollar jig was a lifesaver.
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Getting a bit confused about all this, so am wondering if i've got it right. A rom is the whole thing, it includes a kernel and so forth? So a Kernel is a part of the rom right? And you can flash kernels individually without flashing a whole new rom? But what is a firmware then? Just another name of a rom?
Also on the Galaxy S2 can you flash custom roms, like Lite'ning, without getting root first? Or do you need to get root before flashing custom roms? If you can flash custom roms first without rooting, will the custom rom then give you root as long as it includes it?
And you also got recovery, which is a separate thing again? Galaxy S2 comes with a very basic one if i've understood correctly, but there is others out there that you can install, which also gives you the ability of flashing roms straight from the microsd/phone storage?
So have i gotten any of this? Hope am not to far off
Edit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1246131 looks like most of my questions where answered there, though am still a bit unsure if it's possible to flash a custom rom before you root?
ROM's and FIRMWARE: The ROM or Read Only Memory is the internal flash memory where the core operating system resides. The Firmware is a device specific part of the ROM that controls various hardware components. So the firmware is contained in the ROM but in the context of Android the terms are often used interchangeably.
KERNELS: Different kernels offer different advantages, some are fast, some are light weight on the battery and some are a mix, so yes you can in most cases flash a different kernel with a ROM, and then your phone will be running the custom ROM you picked with the new kernel you flashed.
Rooting: You must have a rooted phone inorder to flash a custom rom, but rooting in my opinion seems really safe and it really easy to do on the SG2
There are things that allow you to flash from your SD card and you do that by entering clockworkmod revovery, apps like rom manager also allow you to flash from sd card, but you can always use odin, which is safe and fast
hope this helps
Thanks, and very nicely explained =) Another question then, what is the reason one need root before you can flash custom firmwares? As i heard Galaxy S2 doesn't really have any safety measures put in to stop things, like HTC do with their bootloader. Another thing is that i checked the thread for the Lite'ning rom, and saw the installation procedure, and it doesn't mention anything about having root before starting, so am getting a bit confused there.
You don't need to root before flashing a custom ROM as long as you can enter download mode (power up with volume down, home and power button pressed) and can flash the ROM via Odin.
If the ROM is flashable only via ClockWorkMod recovery (a zip that you copy on your phone) then you need to flash something that includes that recovery before flashing the rom (like CF-Root or any kernel that includes CWM).
Lite'ning ROM that you mentioned earlier is flashable via Odin so no problem.
Every ROM includes a Kernel, the only thing they sometimes don't include is the modem like in VillainROM, you have to flash it separately. And also, if a ROM is announced as rooted, when you flash it, you will have root regardless of the state before flashing
Thanks once again =)
Another question, if one want to get back to stock, flashing one of these "official firmwares": http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075278 well revert everything right? Even if i got CWM recovery, after flashing on of those "official firmwares" will give me back the original recovery as well?
Edit: Also you mention "modem", if one ROM don't include one, do you have to flash it separately for the ROM to function at all? Or will it just use the modem that's already on the phone or something? Checked out the VillainROM thread and it doesn't say anything about a modem.
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Another question, if one want to get back to stock, flashing one of these "official firmwares": http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075278 well revert everything right? Even if i got CWM recovery, after flashing on of those "official firmwares" will give me back the original recovery as well?
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Yes it will revert back everything
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Edit: Also you mention "modem", if one ROM don't include one, do you have to flash it separately for the ROM to function at all? Or will it just use the modem that's already on the phone or something? Checked out the VillainROM thread and it doesn't say anything about a modem.
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If you dont flash a modem it will just use the one you had before. They talk about it in the old thread and also in the new but not in the firsts posts, you'll have to do a search.
Plus Modem Kernels are interchangeable .
KH3 Firmware with KI4 modem and KH1 kernel .
Guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1125282
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There are a lot of roms out there, which ics rom is the best? Which GB rom is the fastest?
The only one stable enough and with good UI to be usable is this (GB based):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1465144
All the rest are eternal alphas with important features not working or just experiments.
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Not true. I have used GenericGinger for 3 months with maybe 2 crashes total. It's quite stable and fast, and the UI is much better than that one (of course, I use Go Launcher with any ROM), especially because it has an ICS theme (although it says beta, I've had no issues).
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ive tried to flash eyrigit rom's 3.5 version but evrytime i flash it the wifi doesnt work? when i turn on the wifi it just says error?
What rom has 100% working functions?
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SirRhor said:
The only one stable enough and with good UI to be usable is this (GB based):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1465144
All the rest are eternal alphas with important features not working or just experiments.
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I completely agree. I've been testing this rom for a couple weeks and everything works like the stock rom did, if not better. It has awesome features. GenericGinger is also perfectly stable with the ice cream theme and has other features but not as much.
As soon as someone helps to fix the ice cream kernel I'm sure we will have allot more stable roms to choose from.
Newbie Question
Forgive me if this is a dumb question:
Does Eryigit's Custom ROM GingerBread-2.3.6 G70ZCKPA Release 3.5 INCLUDE Entropy's Kernal ??
or must you 1st install Entropy's Kernal BEFORE you install Eryigit's Custom ROM GingerBread-2.3.6 G70ZCKPA Release 3.5 ?
Thanks in advance.
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Forgive me if this is a dumb question:
Does Eryigit's Custom ROM GingerBread-2.3.6 G70ZCKPA Release 3.5 INCLUDE Entropy's Kernal ??
or must you 1st install Entropy's Kernal BEFORE you install Eryigit's Custom ROM GingerBread-2.3.6 G70ZCKPA Release 3.5 ?
Thanks in advance.
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It comes with the kernel. Since you are using entropys kernel im guessing you are from the US meaning your stock is 2.3.x meaning the kernel is the correct format for the rom anyway so if for some strange reason it does not come with the kernel then you will be safe from brick in theory. And you can put entropys kernel on afterwards. You can check to see if it is there by going into cwm and if it isn't there then your on stock kernel (unless you all ready have another kernel on already)
But I am pretty sure that it comes with the kernel in.
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Thank you Samwes.
I am from the US with stock SGP5 Model YPG70CWYXXA and I dread the chance of bricking, so I'm doing lots of homework by looking at and trying to understand various postings here.
KIES is working on my Windows PC, so my plan is to root via SuperOneClick and install Eryigit's latest tar file via the latest version of Odin. I read in the install instructions that you are supposed to:
(in Clockwork recovery mod : wipe cache partition ---> OK; Wipe data/factory reset --> OK;
advanced - wipe dalvik cache --> OK; after that install new rom , You must do it , clean installation.)
The stock version does not have Clockwork recovery mod, so do I need to do the Odin install twice? e.g. The 1st install to GET the Clockwork recovery mod feature, then go into Clockwork recovery mod to do the above "wiping", and then repeat the install via Odin again ??
Actually, once you've got Entropy's recovery mod installed, you can just use that to install other roms. Just copy the new rom file over (in a .zip) to your device, boot into recovery mode, and choose the right options. (It's fairly intuitive)
You say you dread the chance of bricking your device; if you're not prepared to accept and live with the possibility of doing so, perhaps terminally, then I suggest you not do it.
What, exactly, do you hope to gain by rooting and flashing a different ROM? Does the stock ROM lack some specific functionality that you want/need, or is it only for experimental purposes?
If you're just looking to gain the experience, then that's a perfectly valid reason to explore the flexibility of Android, but you must be careful in what you do, and realize the consequences of error.
Just do a backup in recovery before you flash..i did not now anything before i flash it and i brick it but people here help me to unbrick it and since then i know how and i flash almost every rom from here for testing.
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Thank you Samwes.
I am from the US with stock SGP5 Model YPG70CWYXXA and I dread the chance of bricking, so I'm doing lots of homework by looking at and trying to understand various postings here.
KIES is working on my Windows PC, so my plan is to root via SuperOneClick and install Eryigit's latest tar file via the latest version of Odin. I read in the install instructions that you are supposed to:
(in Clockwork recovery mod : wipe cache partition ---> OK; Wipe data/factory reset --> OK;
advanced - wipe dalvik cache --> OK; after that install new rom , You must do it , clean installation.)
The stock version does not have Clockwork recovery mod, so do I need to do the Odin install twice? e.g. The 1st install to GET the Clockwork recovery mod feature, then go into Clockwork recovery mod to do the above "wiping", and then repeat the install via Odin again ??
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I bricked my first device months ago because I didn't have any experience flashing stuff, I made a mistake, but now I know better.
Don't be afraid, just try it, but be informed first, now there's a lot more information about anything related to this device.
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Yeah I should of researched more I was stupid, when I tried flashing a from with Odin it would work, so I reset the device and then when it rebooted I came up with the picture with the phone and then dots connecting it to a computer and then that didn't work with Odin either, so I was stupid and let the battery run all the way out because I though it would fix it but no. It got hard bricked and it now doesn't turn on. Hope any of you never make the mistake I did, and now I'm trying out a USB jig because I know its charging so there is still chance, if that doesn't work then I will have to take off the back plate and remove the battery and I will go from there, but for now I'm awaiting for my USB jig to arrive, it sucks.....
Hey all,
I just received my i777 and I'm impressed. Coming from a sgs4g seems like a huge improvement, though the devices look physically the same LOL (with the i777 being a bit on the larger side).
Anyways, I've been flashing roms for about a year now with my sgs4g. The forums for the sgs4g had very detailed instructions when flashing, instructions like, what to do if coming from stock, but on this forum ppl just assume you have CWM installed.
What I want is a safe way to upgrade to, let's say, phone bricker. I've noticed that all roms are installed through CWM, and all OP say is "make sure CWM is installed", but there's no mention whatsoever on how to install CWM on this phone.
Maybe i'm complicating things a little bit. On my previous phone, Rom Manager downloaded from market was a NO NO because it'd brick it. So we had to flash a modded CWM via odin made specifically for our phones. Maybe for this phone installing rom manager is all that is needed? yes? OK, found the FAQ. no ROM manager.
Also, somehow this phone came rooted... I bought it new from a store but the unlocked version since I live outside USA.
So, if I'm not mistaken, I should just install rom manager, select my phone from the list, flash CWM recovery and flash away roms on the dev section. Am I correct? I don't want to brick my phone
I would not use Rom manger it's proven to be more of a headache for this device. Look on the dev section there are a couple of packages that you can use to get cwm. If your already rooted you could simply flash a custom kernel like entropys daily driver which already has cwm included in kernel.
Again, if your rooted, easiest way could be to simply use mobile Odin to flash custom kernel(I'm assuming your running gingerbread).
I bought the full version of mobile ODIN. makes life a little simpler when flashing, in my opinion. It's worth the few bucks.
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I would not use Rom manger it's proven to be more of a headache for this device. Look on the dev section there are a couple of packages that you can use to get cwm. If your already rooted you could simply flash a custom kernel like entropys daily driver which already has cwm included in kernel.
Again, if your rooted, easiest way could be to simply use mobile Odin to flash custom kernel(I'm assuming your running gingerbread).
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Running GB, yes. It's (i think) completely stock: GB KJ4.
I've checked and I have standard recovery, so I'm looking for the best and safest way to get cmw.
Mobile odin looks like a good option, but would I need the full paid version?
mikeflash said:
Running GB, yes. It's (i think) completely stock: GB KJ4.
I've checked and I have standard recovery, so I'm looking for the best and safest way to get cmw.
Mobile odin looks like a good option, but would I need the full paid version?
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You don't need pro version, lite version will do just fine. Are you sure you're rooted? You have superuser app? Whether you're rooted or not look here(if you are rooted look at #3 : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1311081
Check out this thread, was my experience and I'm running PhoneBricker just fine!
However, backup your apps before flashing and factory reset, wipe cache and dalvik after (possibly before as well) and you should be fine! Will root then you can flash away.
Clay
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One other point for you. Your phone was flashed, in most probability by the folks who sold it to you, with a leaked version of Gingerbread, UCKJ4. As a result, your flash count is probably at 1, and the secondary bootloader was probably replaced with one that disables the ability to clear the flash counter with a usb jig. If this matters to you, you can test first with a jig to see if it will reset, and if not, you can flash the original UCKH7 secondary bootloader to fix it. Needed files can be found in the Download Repository.
Oh, and my guide explains how to flash a modified kernel containing ClockworkMod Recovery if you need it.
Well, I flashed my phone last night. Used mobile odin for flashing a kernel (siyah) to get CWM, then flashed phone bricker via CWM like I used to do on my old phone. Everything went smooth.
Though I'm not fond on this "4.0.3", it's just a launcher that looks like ICS but I don't want to believe it's a true ICS ROM, because it feels weird, I certainly prefer stock GB (or a custom GB rom) instead of some heavily modded rom with ICS theme.
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One other point for you. Your phone was flashed, in most probability by the folks who sold it to you, with a leaked version of Gingerbread, UCKJ4. As a result, your flash count is probably at 1, and the secondary bootloader was probably replaced with one that disables the ability to clear the flash counter with a usb jig. If this matters to you, you can test first with a jig to see if it will reset, and if not, you can flash the original UCKH7 secondary bootloader to fix it. Needed files can be found in the Download Repository.
Oh, and my guide explains how to flash a modified kernel containing ClockworkMod Recovery if you need it.
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There're several new terms I need to learn about this phone that weren't used on sgs4g. Such as DPI (i.e lowering it, what for? isn't that a step back?) and flash counter.
I suppose flash count is just a counter for how many times you have flashed the phone with custom Roms, so that warranty people can check if a returned phone was damaged due to bad flash, or something like that. Am I correct?
If that's the case, then I'm not too worried about flash count because I live outside US, and my AT&T phone wouldn't get warranty over here, but I'll definitely look into that, to check where my counter is at and to check if resetting it back to 0 is still possible.
I'll be checking up on the links you provided.
Thanks a lot.
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Though I'm not fond on this "4.0.3", it's just a launcher that looks like ICS but I don't want to believe it's a true ICS ROM, because it feels weird, I certainly prefer stock GB (or a custom GB rom) instead of some heavily modded rom with ICS theme.
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It is a true ICS rom. Samsung didn't do a lot of cosmetic changes when they moved the S2 to ICS though...most changes are under the hood.
If you want something that looks and feels more like true ICS, you should consider trying either CM9 or AOKP. They are both based on Google's source code, nothing Touchwiz about them.
Or if you'd rather stick with what you have, you can always try different launchers. I'm running ICS, but I use Go Launcher and it runs beautifully.
mikeflash said:
There're several new terms I need to learn about this phone that weren't used on sgs4g. Such as DPI (i.e lowering it, what for? isn't that a step back?) and flash counter.
I suppose flash count is just a counter for how many times you have flashed the phone with custom Roms, so that warranty people can check if a returned phone was damaged due to bad flash, or something like that. Am I correct?
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That is mostly correct. You're right about the purpose of the flash counter, but it actually counts how many times you flash kernels, not roms. And even then, it only increments if you flash a kernel via Odin in download mode. Flashing a kernel in Mobile Odin or CWM doesn't touch the counter.
Incrementing the flash counter also places that possibly annoying yellow triangle on bootup on your phone. Since you're on ICS, you can just use triangle away app from play store (free version is on here somewhere) to get rid of it, though I'm not sure if that'll fix the whole secondary bootloaders thing (probably not). I think it'd be worth it to fix that just so you don't run into anymore problems later if you decide to change something, especially since after the fixes you can just nandroid back to your current setup, but it's not essential and completely up to you.
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I'm confused why this thread was started. There ARE detailed instructions in the stickies and by using Google search along with the words XDA after the search u would easily find any and all information needed. Why do we need a thread dedicated to helping one person read stickies which already have this information.
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Phalanx, did you not read the Title?
It says be nice!
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Phalanx7621 said:
I'm confused why this thread was started. There ARE detailed instructions in the stickies and by using Google search along with the words XDA after the search u would easily find any and all information needed. Why do we need a thread dedicated to helping one person read stickies which already have this information.
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Thank you friend.
To sum up for OP
1. Strongly suggest NOT to use ROM Manager on any custom ROMs unless you are surely running CyanogenMod ROM.
2. Check the "About phone" to see if it is true ICS or ICS-theme GB.
Hello!
A softbricked i9100 just fell on my lap for me to try and fix. I have access to CWM 5.0 and I believe it had a MIUI ROM before it was softbricked, probably installed around 2011. It has all the signs of a bad USB port, so no ODIN for now (I have ordered a spare part). Also, let's assume it has the insane chip.
Since I don't know a whole lot in terms of flashing, etc, I have been reading the tutorials. However, I would greatly appreciate any input/advice on my options.
What I want to do is to make it as stock as possible until the spare part comes. I was thinking of flashing something through CWM to make it stable and ready for a future JB stock flash when the USB is up and running again. However, I'm a bit scared of flashing stuff without knowing what I'm doing. Can anyone point me in the right direction for the proper kernel and rom to flash, considering all of this?
Many thanks!
Download proper stock rom and flash it via mobile odin.
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Download proper stock rom and flash it via mobile odin.
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It's softbricked, so I can ony access CWM.
EDIT: I'm concerned about just putting any ROM through CWM, since I don't know what kernel is in it. This might be a stupid question, but can a ROM be incompatible with a kernel to the point where it hardbricks it?
Sorry for bad post.
If you already sortbricked try first install custom kernel like syiah after that instlall rom compatible with that kernel.
I am looking for some help bc of all the roms out there I am really confused. Ihad a droid X before this and flashed several roms without a problem. Here is when I get lost:
Right now I am back on stock I605VRAMC3.
I use adam outliers root method to get rooted with super user acess.
This gives me TWRP not CWM.
If I use TWRP to flash a rom I end up with a bricked phone.
I would like to use a CM11 4.4 rom or something similar. When I watch the video on galaxynote2root.com the user uses CWM and if I use that on my phone it turns into a brick even after rooting. What step am I missing? I see some roms are touchwiz based. I'm not familiar with what touchwiz is or how to install ot before flashing roms or if I even need it for CM11. Anyone on the same build as me that has flashed several roms I would greatly appreciate any info so I can start to enjoy some of these roms and decide which one I like. Thanks.
Sorry, I haven't done this stuff to know exactly where the issue is, but I will assume you're more likely to get the answer in the development section since it's all about themes, roms, rom flashing, rooting etc. If not there, then the trouble shooting section. Hope that helps. (assuming you're still looking)
You can flash Philz recovery in twrp & switch to it. Then you can flash CM11.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2552655
You can use casual to root and unlock bootloader.... And then install cwm via rom manager apk... Hope this solves your concern
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How is TWRP bricking your phone? I rooted with Outler's method and have had no problems with TWRP. You've mentioned that CWM has bricked your phone too. If that's the case, how were able to flash anything at all? As for TouchWiz, it's not anything you install. There are two basic types of ROMS for the N2. TouchWiz based, which have more of the Samsung apps along with the ROM customizations, and AOSP (Android Open Source Project). AOSP is more like stock Android, but with custom features. CM11 is an AOSP ROM. Here are the steps I took when I initially rooted:
Installed Samsung drivers to my laptop
Made sure Java was up to date
D/L Outler's Casual
Put phone in USB Debugging Mode
Attached phone
Ran Casual
Rooted phone (at this point I believe I had to select between CWM or TWRP)
There you have it. If you missed any of these steps, that could be the problem. Another issue might be that you're trying to use TWRP and CWM simultaneously
I'm assuming you are not wiping(factory reset. I do it three times) prior to your install. If you're not then your trying to install a rom on top of a rom and bam...boot loop.
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You can use casual to root and unlock bootloader.... And then install cwm via rom manager apk... Hope this solves your concern
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+1 for this... when i tried to flash CM11 using TWRP I ended up in a bootloop.. restored my backup, downloaded rom manager apk from google play and used that to install CWM... then in CWM did a backup, wipe everything, and flashed CM11 + gapps and everything works without a hitch
one more note... my CWM backup was hanging on generating the MD5 sum, so i changed the encryption method away from the default... takes up more space on the ext-sd, but it works.