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Not one to relax and enjoy the spoils of war after conquering the Wall/Car charger mystery I have decided to move on to the subject of USB host without the dock. Sorry if I am duplicating other similar threads but starting a new thread helps me through the process of testing. I'm hoping the asus USB host adapter will be out soon so I can gut it like tuna but till then it is back to the rig I used for the charger probing.
Update 10/16/2011
So what we actually now know.
1. USB host mode requires a board found in the USB Host adapter from Asus
2. Some users are having issues with the adapter staying connected. Bad design IMO, too big of a device to be hanging off the tablet connected to thumb drives and other devices.
3. 5V is being supplied to usb devices, I have not personally verified this but will soon.
Some options
1. Build USB Host "Dongle" with connector and USB adapter.
Sounds like people are having disconnection issues, a dongle might be a better solution for that taking the pressure off the connector on the TF and move it down a wire to dongle connector. This will be my first build since it shouldn't be to difficult.
2. Machine a small attachable dock that sits at the bottom of the TF which contains the host adapter, memory cart reader slots and USB ports.
I love this idea but will take time and money I don't have at the moment. BUT drawings are already done and I'm having my machinist put it on his to do list at the bottom. Prototype in 45 days but no promises.
3. Modding a TF to contain the host adapter internally.
This requires you to open up your TF and install the board and a connector. A daunting task for anyone with even good circuit board and fabrication skills. Best person for this job is Bob, but is there space in the case?
Additional Thread and Web resource links
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=18474358#post18474358
First Mod, Host Adapter dongle.
While building this on I'll looking in to the capability of charging the TF while using the host adapter.
USB adapter shows up tomorrow and I hit the ground running. Pics and updates to come. Stay tuned!
Hey,
Any updates on this? I would love to see a solution to connect USB devices without needing a dock.
Waiting for the official adaptor might take a while: Asus Australia confirmed that the adaptor is not coming any time soon (and maybe never to AUS at all), Asus Germany can't give a specific date.
DevCake said:
Not one to relax and enjoy the spoils of war after conquering the Wall/Car charger mystery I have decided to move on to the subject of USB host without the dock. Sorry if I am duplicating other similar threads but starting a new thread helps me through the process of testing. I'm hoping the asus USB host adapter will be out soon so I can gut it like tuna but till then it is back to the rig I used for the charger probing.
So what do we know
1. Connecting a USB 2.0 female to female coupler using the factor sync/charge cable from the Table to other USB devices does not work.
2. Asus will be releasing an adapter that allows for USB host features and this tells us it can be done.
3. Asus used some of the usb 3.0 pins to show termination from the tablet to start charging at 15V so this method might be in practice for the usb host function.
I've done a little monitoring of data pins on the factory cable but see no difference between when a device is and is not connected. I have a feeling we are dealing with 2 things, 5v power from the tablet to power the usb device and a pin termination to trigger the host function.
~DC
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you can use USB3.0 female to female coupler
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you can use USB3.0 female to female coupler
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Have you tried with this adaptor? Do es it works?
Anyone with a USB 3.0 female to female adapter yet?
gordec said:
Anyone with a USB 3.0 female to female adapter yet?
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Following the OP's logic..
I do not believe that a Female to Female USB3 would be enough. I suspect and trying to locate one is a pain that you will need not only a USB3 AF to AF but also a USB3 Powered Hub (or USB 3 Powered Device) as the TF cable does not supply power..
I tried the USB 2 AF to AF path with my powered hub and can confirm it does not work, TF will mount fine on PC via the HUB so it is not a connection problem so I suspect like the OP that we need all the magic pins of a USB3 connection which logically would also mean we all the magic of a USB3 hub (or device) as well..
I cannot find a USB3 AF to Micro AF cable anyplace (They are all male) so even if I can get my hands on a USB3 powered hub (which are also rare) I could not complete this experiment..
I suspect the lack of the OP's postings would also indicate they are having the same trouble as well..
So in summary, I strongly believe we need USB3 Powered Hub + USB 3 Cable from the Hub to the TF Cable
Anyone got those?
Well I done some searching and found these two that should provide all the right specifications for the TF but I am starting to have some significant doubts that this is all worth it considering this is only a theoretical solution based on USB3 pins logic vs just pay the $149 price tag and get the keyboard dock that we know will work..
USB 3.0 Adapter (A Female to Micro B male)
http://www.usbfever.com/index_eproduct_view.php?products_id=1882
ICY BOX 4 Port USB 3.0 Hub
http://www.icybox.com.tw/page/product_accessories/product_accessories-ib-ac610.htm
*sighs*
As I posted in the other usb host thread, the USB adaptor is listed in a German online shop: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103784
I just want to know when that damn Asus USB dongle is releasing. I don't need the keyboard dock. Already have a 13.3 laptop.
the same site has also in stock the sd adapter (nice for my photo machine, avail at 19€ as well), and the minidock (2 usb + stand) at 29€.
The sleeve is avail at 34.90€, the vga cable at 29€, and a travel kit at 39€.
Everithing is said being available in 2-4 days...
Last week was baja 500 prep for my but i'm back and moving forward with testing.
Don't waste your time with the female 3.0 adapter. The tablet is using one of the 40 pins on the proprietary adapter to look for termination from the keyboard dock to activate the USB host function. This is my theory but I still will test all 9 of the 3.0 pins.
The only way I will be able to test all 40 pins on the tablet connector is to either find a bare connector or wait for the asus usb adapter and open it. I'll start lookng for a bare connector next Week
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~DC
So no new solutions for hosting on the TF? No new information about the adapter?
Hello guys,
Does anyone try this:
http://www.aliexpress.com/product-g...on-cable-Micro-SD-card-cable-wholesalers.html
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So no new solutions for hosting on the TF? No new information about the adapter?
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Nothing yet on either. The adapter from Asus has not shown up anywhere and I'm still in testing mode for a DIY solution.
vaystikh said:
Hello guys,
Does anyone try this:
http://www.aliexpress.com/product-g...on-cable-Micro-SD-card-cable-wholesalers.html
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I don't see a reason why that won't work but my focus is to activate the host function so that USB devices will be recognized and accessible.
DevCake said:
Last week was baja 500 prep for my but i'm back and moving forward with testing.
Don't waste your time with the female 3.0 adapter. The tablet is using one of the 40 pins on the proprietary adapter to look for termination from the keyboard dock to activate the USB host function. This is my theory but I still will test all 9 of the 3.0 pins.
~DC
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Thanks DevCake looking forward to seeing some more results.. I would not be surprised if your theory is correct.. I not gone down the Female adapter path yet until we can verify exactly why USB Host is not being enabled..
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Nothing yet on either. The adapter from Asus has not shown up anywhere and I'm still in testing mode for a DIY solution.
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The adapter has shown up in a German online shop (cyberport.de, search for "usb extension kit" or "sd extension kit") and is listed as in Stock. I wrote them an email to get confirmation that they really have it in Stock and shippable. Maybe somebody in Germany can make a teardown and show us the internals!
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The adapter has shown up in a German online shop (cyberport.de, search for "usb extension kit" or "sd extension kit") and is listed as in Stock. I wrote them an email to get confirmation that they really have it in Stock and shippable. Maybe somebody in Germany can make a teardown and show us the internals!
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If you google "1D09-36X" it comes up with other EU sites that carry it. Hopefully it won't be long till we get it in the US.
Does anyone happen to know the type/model/name of the connector is.
Maybe we can find something that is the same pin config and cut it open and splice in a usb 3.0 female cable.
I've spliced many a cable together for similar purposes, just need the connector end.
We as reseller have direct contact with asus. I called today Asus Netherlands about the usb host adapter.
Atm this moment there only 2 accessoires on the market, which are as follow:
- Asus Sleeve
- Asus Dock
The Sales Manager at Asus Netherlands told me that several other people asked for the USB Host adapter also. They said it wont be on the market until 3th quarter of the year (Aug/Sept/Oct).
Asus Taiwain puts these items on the market. Asus Taiwan understands that there is some demand for this USB Adapter.
So, we have to wait until 3th qaurter 2011 or try to fabricate something ourselfs or wait for some crazy chinese which puts something similiar on the market.
Sorry if this has been answered somewhere else...
Fortunately, Asus makes a micro-HDMI-to-VGA adapter cable for the TP:
http://www.asus.com/Peripherals_Accessories/Eee_Pad_Accessories/Micro_HDMI_to_VGA_cable/
So, is this *included* with the TP? I would hope so, but...
If it *isn't* included (!), where can it be purchased? I have seen no listings at all (yet) online anywhere.
As of right now they basically have no accessories for it out and no it is not included but I belive it is the same one as the Tf101 adapter...? Or the slider... Just search for eee pad hdmi-vga adapter
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The only thing I have read so far is to be careful about purchasing the *wrong* adapter i.e. apparently the TF101 uses a 'mini-HDMI' port, whereas the TF201 uses a 'micro-HDMI' port.
Unfortunately, I seldom see companies supplying adaptors in the box with the device - they make more money selling it separately plus, this is a very uncommon cable. Vga is used much less often than hdmi...if ANYTHING maybe just a micro hdmi cable.
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Sorry if this has been answered somewhere else...
Fortunately, Asus makes a micro-HDMI-to-VGA adapter cable for the TP:
If it *isn't* included (!), where can it be purchased? I have seen no listings at all (yet) online anywhere.
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Check out item #11 here:
Ultimate Transformer PRIME TF201 Accessory Guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1377669
NOTE: If you have an OFF BRAND Controller ALL BETS ARE OFF. THIS WORKS, BUT ONLY WITH THE SONY BRANDED CONTROLLER
Is this weird, or has support for it crept in in the last few ICS Builds and I missed it? I am not much of a gamer, not by any standard, but I was impressed when I saw video of Games like Riptide and Shadowgun with a PS3 controller.
Only limitation was, they had it cabled and not wireless, but then everything I read while researching said I would need to be rooted and use Sixaxis from the Market if I wanted to pair it wirelessly. I took that at face value and moved on. THEN...
Tried my sones wired Xbox 360 controller, and it worked, mostly... Wanted a better experience and my own controller so tried 3 different off branded controllers, one was a Madcatz (Xbox360) and that worked a little, but not great, then tried 2 others one was a Power A or something like that, forget what the other was. Neither worked at all, Nothing...
So I gave in and got a nice, Bluer, Sony Branded DualShock 3 controller. Used a USB to Mini-USB cable I had laying around, and hooked 'er up. Played Riptide. Wee. Tried Shadowgun.. cool for about 90 seconds... Then I got frustrated when it wasn't easy enough for a 5 year old to play... like I said, not much for gaming. I like racing games quite a bit, and tried Need For Speed Hot Pursuit.. WHEE EE EE!!! kay, enough of that... Then I grabbed an N64 Emulator (actually a few, N64oid, SNESDroid and SuperGNES. Loaded up some old favorites. DiddyKong Racing. Super Smash Bros. etc.
Then I saw it, I was on the .13 build for the last few weeks, no major issues, just generally crappy battery life. But when I was testing some router settings for better throughput, when I went to turn on Bluetooth... whoa... Why does it show PLAYSTATION(R) 3 Controller among my BT devices? Figured it was a tease, no way I had a wireless connection without root.
But no, I went an got the controller, and as soon as I pressed the center button, like a SPLIT SECOND later, that entry went straight to the top of the list, and showed... CONNECTED. ???
Go to a game, and it was soon obvious. It just works. And works amazingly well. I suggest ANYONE that has a Sony Branded PS3 controller, and has not tried it repeat my steps... Just so we can prove this is not a fluke... Oh, and I flashed .14 today, and it still works... I don't care what changed, I am thrilled.
I may even become a serious Gamer! anyone for a real Gamers Hard Core game.. like, uh... what Angry Birds or somethin'?
Thanks. I can't wait to try this when I get home.
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Thanks. I can't wait to try this when I get home.
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Yep. I hope it works as well for yo as it did for me.. Just cable it and play for a while first... The weirdest part? I never attempted to attch it via Bluetooth. Never even tried!
Heres another guy saying it works, but claims it works even with Bluetooth off (It doesn't - I HAD to try that, knhowing it was BS, but flipped BT back on an all good )
You can use a wireless Xbox controller with almost anything if you have the USB wireless microsoft receiver. I tried it today with SNESoid & N64oid. I am also not rooted and it works without any special app.
I thought it was common knowledge that you could connect a PS3 controller wirelessly without root if you had the dock, I'm pretty sure you can do it with the original TF too.
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I thought it was common knowledge that you could connect a PS3 controller wirelessly without root if you had the dock, I'm pretty sure you can do it with the original TF too.
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News to me. I had the TF101. And you needed it cabled to use a controller - Also, why on earth would you need the DOCK to connect WIRELESSLY? The only thing it ADDS is a USB port (And SD card which is meaningless) For that matter you can get the USB adapter that goes in the charging port to cable the controller to the Prime, if you can find one - I have one from my TF101 - Here is THE video used to demonstrate the PS3 Controller in use with Prime:
You sir are a genius...awesome!
@smarta$sphone. i may be wrong and sorry off i am but how did you have a USB to mini USB on the prime? where would the USB go? and the mini end would not fit either only micro but still confused because ps3 controller does not take USB takes that odd shaped crimped port... please advice?
And whoever said the controller will work wirelessly with dock? don't that defeat the purpose of wireless or is it to connect dock first to device to be able to use the controller wirelessly? sorry don't understand thanks
or you talking about plugging USB into the dock to begin with?
I know it works wireless (the controller) with the Sony Tablet S.
iletone2 said:
@smarta$sphone. i may be wrong and sorry off i am but how did you have a USB to mini USB on the prime? where would the USB go? and the mini end would not fit either only micro but still confused because ps3 controller does not take USB takes that odd shaped crimped port... please advice?
And whoever said the controller will work wirelessly with dock? don't that defeat the purpose of wireless or is it to connect dock first to device to be able to use the controller wirelessly? sorry don't understand thanks
or you talking about plugging USB into the dock to begin with?
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That "crimped port" is one of the most common smaller charge/data ports for older mobile tech and other things...
It's miniUSB. Just uses any ol' miniUSB to USB cable, and the dock has a USB port which is needed to sync the controller to the Prime...
I don't understand your mini/micro USB comment there, so no real comment on it...
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Right! I should have said it more clearly. Like the next poster says, you have to have the dock (or that adapter) to have a USB port on the Prime; all the tablet has is its proprietary charge/data port.
thanks
gotcha, lol didn't know that the crimped style was USB... so if i got that connection to a mini USB it will plug directly into the tablet or would i need mini to micro USB? worth four all the questions thanks btw
does the tablet have a mini or micro USB port?
You need either Asus Adapter or dock for USB
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@smarta$sphone. i may be wrong and sorry off i am but how did you have a USB to mini USB on the prime? where would the USB go? and the mini end would not fit either only micro but still confused because ps3 controller does not take USB takes that odd shaped crimped port... please advice?
And whoever said the controller will work wirelessly with dock? don't that defeat the purpose of wireless or is it to connect dock first to device to be able to use the controller wirelessly? sorry don't understand thanks
or you talking about plugging USB into the dock to begin with?
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Yes, sorry for any confusion. I initially plugged the Dualshock 3 into the dock via a standard USB to Mini-USB cable. I also have the USB adapter that fits in the Tablets charging port, but I rarely use it - Once as an experiment I plugged the adapter into the charging port on the dock, hoping it would provide a second USB port. Logically it could have worked, but that was not the case.
You asked who said the controller would work wirelessly with the dock? Uhmmm Post #5 in THIS THREAD, the one directly before my comment, that I QUOTED in the comment?
And what ARE YOU talking about? No offense, but that "Odd shaped Crimped Port" is a MINI USB... Very common, and was used on more devices, phones, cheap cameras tablets etc, for a while until Micro USB took it's place for thinness. Look up "Mini-USB" in Google, then hit "Images" Very common...
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gotcha, lol didn't know that the crimped style was USB... so if i got that connection to a mini USB it will plug directly into the tablet or would i need mini to micro USB? worth four all the questions thanks btw
does the tablet have a mini or micro USB port?
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The Tablet has NEITHER... The tablet ONLY has a proprietary charging port, but you can add THIS ADAPTER if you do not have the Dock. The adapter and the dock provide full sized USB, so you cable wood be USB (Full sized) to Mini (For the controller) Obviously you do not have a Prime, so why ask all of this?
Adapter here:
http://www.excaliberpc.com/607966/asus-external-usb-adapter-for.html
huh
don't have a prime because i don't understand the ports? lol so anyways what is the port under the volume? i bought mine at office depot February 11 i got it in the mail
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don't have a prime because i don't understand the ports? lol so anyways what is the port under the volume? i bought mine at office depot February 11 i got it in the mail
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Doesn't it ship with a booklet? Bought it and haven't checked out the official site or any specs?
It's your microHDMI port to have audio/video out to HDTV's and receivers.
sorry that was a typo..i meant micro HDMI not micro USB my bad... sorry for confusion and when i said something about post 5 i know who wrote it but was just talking about it in same thread was not directed directly at you but in general..
so aside from my confusing posts what i wanted to know is if they make mini usb to micro hdmi.. but i will Google it since i seem to be bothering folks.
iletone2 said:
sorry that was a typo..i meant micro HDMI not micro USB my bad... sorry for confusion and when i said something about post 5 i know who wrote it but was just talking about it in same thread was not directed directly at you but in general..
so aside from my confusing posts what i wanted to know is if they make mini usb to micro hdmi.. but i will Google it since i seem to be bothering folks.
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Even if they did make that cable it would be quite useless with the prime. The tablet itself has no USB controller onboard. The adapter and the dock both have a USB host controller which allows the tablet to communicate with USB devices. HDMI is High Definition Media Interface, its not for hooking up I/O peripherals other than a monitor of some type.
iletone2 said:
sorry that was a typo..i meant micro HDMI not micro USB my bad... sorry for confusion and when i said something about post 5 i know who wrote it but was just talking about it in same thread was not directed directly at you but in general..
so aside from my confusing posts what i wanted to know is if they make mini usb to micro hdmi.. but i will Google it since i seem to be bothering folks.
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You're not bothering me lol It's hard to convey certain tones over the web I suppose.
rand4ll said:
Even if they did make that cable it would be quite useless with the prime. The tablet itself has no USB controller onboard. The adapter and the dock both have a USB host controller which allows the tablet to communicate with USB devices. HDMI is High Definition Media Interface, its not for hooking up I/O peripherals other than a monitor of some type.
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Right!
Your (micro)HDMI is just audio/video, like more compact (and digital) old RCA cables.
The only way to transfer data over a hard line with the Prime (just the tablet, no keyboard dock) is through it's 40-pin proprietary port: be that through it's charging cable to a computer, or the linked adapter to some other USB device.
Keyboard dock needed?
Sorry I'm an idiot, but do you have to have a keyboard dock to user PS3 wireless controller?
Have someone tried connecting two PS3 controllers at the same time? One with bluetooth and the other one trough the USB connector. Would have been nice if you can play co-op games on the SNES. (Contra!)
hello,
thanks for anyone who visit this thread, thanks for your attention.
here, i would like to give us a good news for ASUS Eee Pad Transformer, HXCOMCHINA launched news thing new accessories for everyone.
This really a hard works for making such a 3rd parts OTG function cable for ASUS Eee Pad Transformer series.
or you may still looking for it, or still diy it, and try to work it out, but i still can seek the updated news for us.
Say, you can watch the good news this time now. because HXCOMCHINA now launch the OTG adaptor for you now.
Now, show our step for making ASUS Eee Pad accessories,
2012-3-10, making the USB3.0 cable for Eee Pad,
2012-3-15, seeking information for making the OTG adaptor for ASUS Eee Pad :crying:
2012-4-06,
2012-5-07, making charger for ASUS Eee Pad,
2012-6-02, finished design for HOUSING mold,:victory:
2012-6-05, making the mold...:victory:
2012-7-11, already post new thread of this OTG adaptor. it's this thread.
2012-7-12, will update new picture for the HOUSING of OTG adaptor....
2012-7-15, will update new picture for the HOUSING of OTG adaptor....
2012-7-16, will update our link for where you can see much clearly of the OTG adaptor, in aliexpress.
2012-7-17, open the link for pre-ordering OTG adaptor,
next coming up, OTG adaptor, OTG with SD and TF reader, OTG with double USB port, will upadate soon...
as anyone who interesting on the OTG adaptor, pls let me konw, can contact Simon, you will find out something new...:victory:
2th, leave this for updating the photo and more information
Hi,
can anyone confirm if ethernet works via an otg adapter.
thanks
gazzacbr said:
Hi,
can anyone confirm if ethernet works via an otg adapter.
thanks
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I've tested and confirmed it works on my H933 on the Apple USB Ethernet Adapter, and the D-Link DUB-E100 rev C1 but nearly any asix (AX88772ALF on apple and ASIX AX88772B on the E100 rev C1) based network adapter should work.
Edit: Kingston sd100 laptop dock also works (hub and audio also work)
Hi, as this was a quick delivery I ordered one of these from Amazon (actually Souq here in Dubai)
"AmazonBasics USB 3.1 Type-C to Ethernet Adapter - Black" for about $10
plug it in, it just works
I dont have data on my phone and wifi at office is secured access, but with just this and an ethernet cable I am online
gazzacbr said:
Hi, as this was a quick delivery I ordered one of these from Amazon (actually Souq here in Dubai)
"AmazonBasics USB 3.1 Type-C to Ethernet Adapter - Black" for about $10
plug it in, it just works
I dont have data on my phone and wifi at office is secured access, but with just this and an ethernet cable I am online
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Good for you. I just ordered and have a VAVA VA-UC002 delivered (can't post a link yet). Unfortunately it doesn't work with my V30+, it doesn't recognize it as an interface, so I'll have to send it back.
I just ordered the one you mentioned from amazon, hopefully it will work.
Hi guys,
so how is it? I come to some information that in order for the ethernet to work with your phone you have to have the ethernet option in your phone network settings. I don't have ethernet in options anywhere on my LG V30 yet you guys write that it works. So does it work for you even though you also don't have the ethernet option in your settings? Thanks.
@tw9: not sure what settings you are talking about
Nothing in settings on mine either.
As above, just plug it in and it will work.
There's another thing I've done that 'just works' (mostly) when connected to an OTG cable. A wireless keyboard and mouse. My Logitech adapter thing, just plug it in via otg... boom, now your logitech mouse and keyboard work on your phone.
The only 'settings' that seem to effect this are having a 'midi' connection in dev options usb type. But basically you only find out if it will work by trying it. Pretty sure I didn't have to change the setting, it just recognized it and auto switched, can't remember, been awhile.
cheers
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I've tested and confirmed it works on my H933 on the Apple USB Ethernet Adapter, and the D-Link DUB-E100 rev C1 but nearly any asix (AX88772ALF on apple and ASIX AX88772B on the E100 rev C1) based network adapter should work.
Edit: Kingston sd100 laptop dock also works (hub and audio also work)
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Kingston or kensington mate? I didn't know kingston made docks.. I know of usb, sd & ssd flash devices never heard of docks yet. Having complete solution dock for the V would be even better if it did external screens..
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@tw9: not sure what settings you are talking about
Nothing in settings on mine either.
As above, just plug it in and it will work.
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I don't know either, I have read it in comments section of a youtube video. Apparently it's a Samsung thing.... Ok, thank you for info, I'm going to try this