So i just ran a test for the antutu benchmark with just the phone and nothing else and this is what i got Ill be running quadrant bench test also and that will be in my next reply Cant wait for root and unlock!
EDIT: Heres quadrant test stock with no 4g or extra stuff
wow how is the Antutu score so high???
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wow how is the Antutu score so high???
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quadcore and that 2gb of ram haha imagine if i put my 64gb sd card in there haha
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quadcore and that 2gb of ram haha imagine if i put my 64gb sd card in there haha
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Sd cards don't help performance.
I got an Antutu score of 18424 right after activation
For reference, my Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet only had scores in the 12,000 range... WOW
I just received my Galaxy Note II today and was a bit shocked that it scored a lower score in AnTuTu's benchmark than my HTC Droid DNA. Given that it has a faster CPU and less pixels to render, you would think it would be faster.
I scored 19164 with my HTC Droid DNA, which is much higher than the 18084 I got with the Galaxy Note II.
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I just received my Galaxy Note II today and was a bit shocked that it scored a lower score in AnTuTu's benchmark than my HTC Droid DNA. Given that it has a faster CPU and less pixels to render, you would think it would be faster.
I scored 19164 with my HTC Droid DNA, which is much higher than the 18084 I got with the Galaxy Note II.
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Processor is newere on the droid dna, I will always say we don't use benchmarks, so stop being disappointed in your score it by no means represents everyday use..They are both future proof for a few years..
I have to laugh at people who care about benchmark scores when they have a device with a quad core cpu in it running Android.
Haha I don't care really about benchmarks I was just impressed that's all. DNA is nice but I need sd card and something with battery life. Only got about 3/4 through a day on a full charge.
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My s3 scores 6200 on quadrant, 11000 on antutu...tells you benchmarks are worthless.
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My s3 scores 6200 on quadrant, 11000 on antutu...tells you benchmarks are worthless.
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Im guessing rooted and unlocked? lol i got mine up 12000 rooted with a different kernal. As long as the phone runs fast and smooth i could care less lol
Benchmarks are far from worthless. They are an objective indicator of how certain components perform under the exact same stress test.
Now what you can say is worthless is people who look at a final score that is rather irrational instead of looking at individual component scores.
For example, CPU scores in these benchmarks is a clear indicator of which phone has a faster processor. While the very same phone that had a slower processor may have a significantly better GPU. What this means to the end user is that expect games to perform better on the slower CPU phone, but also expect things like web browsing to perform worse on the same device.
It's all objective comparisons, certainly not something to claim as "worthless" but at the same time if you do not look at it the right way and just throw a generic total score number around, then you won't be fairly comparing any two devices properly.
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Wrong. The higher class sdcard, the faster the read/write speeds = better performance.
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Wrong. The higher class sdcard, the faster the read/write speeds = better performance.
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thank you :victory: My 64gb sd card increased the benchmark also. :good: And ya i usually look at certain things when running benchmarks but thats usually when im rooted and unlocked is when i really look at them closely.
After running Quadrant, my phone seems to warm up and each subsequent score is somewhat lower. I started at 6500 and it bottoms out around 6000. Anyone else have this heat problem?
Make sure everything is closed out when u run a test. It's putting everything to work in the phone so it's stressed out which could cause a lot of heat
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Enjoy! This thing is looking amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1IhrSjMy0Q&feature=youtu.be
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Enjoy! This thing is looking amazing.
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thats what she...
anyway, I cant wait to get my hands on this. I wonder if sprint stores will have them at opening? I got my reserved does that guarantee I will get one?
that was a pretty good first review, he covered most of my questions.
I'll go ahead and ask, why such a dramatic difference in bench scores between the E3D and the SGS2? I know everyone says "scores don't matter", but it begs the question if they are utilizing similar hardware. Also, I understand that the current set of bench marking test probably do not account for a dual core proc.
The benchmarks also don't account for the higher resolution/pixel count on the E3d.
I think the reason he couldn't find The Green Hornet was cause I read that it came preloaded on the microsd card.... or like he said cause its a preproduction phone
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJwRH9Sc51Q
here is another new video, from radioshack
Gotta say I'm.pretty impressed..I'm even more excited..the camera and videos looked great..there is def something up with the benchmarks bc this thing flies
I heard its because quadrant is only reading one core cause they haven't updated for the new snapdragon
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Gotta say I'm.pretty impressed..I'm even more excited..the camera and videos looked great..there is def something up with the benchmarks bc this thing flies
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very low quadrant score 2193, lg optimus 3d has got 2900, SGII 3500
very low smartbench score(game score) 1688 , lg optimus 3d-2822
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very low quadrant score 2193, lg optimus 3d has got 2900, SGII 3500
very low smartbench score(game score) 1688 , lg optimus 3d-2822
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Because a useless horribly made app that isn't even optimized for QHD High resolution screens or dual cores defines a phone in the real world...
Same goes for linpack and smartbench and any other apps that claim to "benchmark" devices
My g2x overclocked to 1.5ghz hit 5100 on quadrant yet it wasn't up to my standards or others at that
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I think the reason he couldn't find The Green Hornet was cause I read that it came preloaded on the microsd card.... or like he said cause its a preproduction phone
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it was on his phone. I saw the icon when he first started talking about the apps. He mustve just missed it
not sure if this has been mentioned elsewhere.. but if you go through a cashback site (fat wallet) you get $25 back from wirefly. Pre-ordered mine for 179.99 - $25 cb = $154.99 no taxt and free standard shipping.
still no answer about gorilla glass
The real reason behind the benchmarksbis not because the e3d soc is half as powerful as the others its bc its the only soc that has asynchronous cores..quadrant and other can account for the dual cores ..look at the gs2 its off the chart..but the e3d core does not run the same clock speeds on each core..its actually a benefit..an optimization..take those benchmarks.with a grain of salt..if.the processor suck its couldn't eat through 1080p video or run so smoothly..
Was anyone else impressed with the camera quality? Still shots were pretty good, but the reviewer recorded and showed a video recorded in QHD (960 x 540) resolution. It wasn't even 720p and the video quality and audio quality were pretty damn good, imo.
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Was anyone else impressed with the camera quality? Still shots were pretty good, but the reviewer recorded and showed a video recorded in QHD (960 x 540) resolution. It wasn't even 720p and the video quality and audio quality were pretty damn good, imo.
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I agree I thought they looked great..one of the best I've seen..an evo woth sick camera _phone seks
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Because a useless horribly made app that isn't even optimized for QHD High resolution screens or dual cores defines a phone in the real world...
Same goes for linpack and smartbench and any other apps that claim to "benchmark" devices
My g2x overclocked to 1.5ghz hit 5100 on quadrant yet it wasn't up to my standards or others at that
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I thought i read somewhere that android os wont take full advantage of multi core system untill ICS comes out? That is prob part of the reason as well.
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I thought i read somewhere that android os wont take full advantage of multi core system untill ICS comes out? That is prob part of the reason as well.
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Ice cream will take full advantage of dual core...
But even smartbench claims to be "optimized" for dual core devices... Even though they still have problems reading some dual core frequencies...
My advise don't buy a phone for benchmark scores and reciews....buy it because it will suit your every day needs.... Or dreams (3d video/pictures)
Yes take reviews and benchmarks into consideration but don't base your money on other peoples bias opitions and ****ty coded apps....
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Ice cream will take full advantage of dual core...
But even smartbench claims to be "optimized" for dual core devices... Even though they still have problems reading some dual core frequencies...
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I can add a bit here...
Smartbench 2011 is optimized for multi-cores (4 cores to be exact). It creates 4 identical threads that are assigned with identical workloads. Whether your phone has 2 or 4 cores, Smartbench (version 2011 only, 2010 was not designed to use multi-cores) will keep them busy, I can assure you.
I do have a problem with reading frequency though. One of the ROM developer has kindly given me some clues as to why this is happening. It is mainly around Tegra 2 devices that don't correctly report the right frequency when it is set. Also, the Sensation seems to be reporting it as zero as well. In the future versions, I will try to measure the clock speed during the run time without affecting the benchmark scores. It will be interesting to see how this works out on async processors such as the ones in the Sensation and this.
And once again, here's a article that explains facts on dual-core support for Android OS. It really doesn't require Ice Cream - Froyo with SMP will utilize both cores just fine:
http://bit.ly/jHw7Ga
I've noticed that the evo 3d has been scoring lower than the sensation, which is spec'd performance-wise. Exactly the same except for the evo having more ram. So I don't really understand why it would eb scoeing lower
Also if you're here to try and dispute the credibility of benchmarks leave now because that's not the point of this topic.
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Well, the Evo 3D does have the ability to do 3D, so I imagine it will take up some resources, but I have a feeling that the benchmark scores will only get better as HTC and Sprint release updates and fixes for it.
Probably the bloatware
Benchmarks are boo boo! For a benchmark to read correctly the cores need to be ramped up to max for the test. The app does not draw full ramp from the dual cores. Plus they are asynchronous, once we root and have kernel source for added tweeks we will blow tegra away (even with tegra tweeked)!
For the most part synthetic benchmarks are not really useful. How much are they off anyways? I'll bet you'll never notice the difference.
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Benchmarks are boo boo! For a benchmark to read correctly the cores need to be ramped up to max for the test. The app does not draw full ramp from the dual cores. Plus they are asynchronous, once we root and have kernel source for added tweeks we will blow tegra away (even with tegra tweeked)!
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pretty much what I came into say. the Nexus S scores don't blow you away before you root either,but once Rooted, it is capable of truly amazing power.
pretty much every review says the Evo 3d feels much faster and much more fluid than the sensation.
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LMAO!
10 char
the processor is an ASYNC and the cores are able to run at different speeds for different task. The programs testing are better suited to your normal SYNC processor which are both always running at full all the time.
The need to write code to take advantage of the ASYNC and its methods to reach max must be included in the programming before they will ever be able to measure the full potential of the ASYNC.
you could say in those test I could garuntee you one processor is running max one is not. if at all. But if it is. its just a little as the program has not told it to run both processors at max if its a ASYNC,
ADD the qHD and the program would need to account for that.
imagine if the screen was amoled or just 800 x 480. this thing would be brutal beast.
but at the end of the day I love HTC phones.
HTC Sense is known to produce low benchmark scores. Once AOSP gets on this baby, it will fly through the irrelevant benchmarks like nothing.
Not only that but benchmarks are known to produce pointless infighting and petty bickering over measures that are not only highly suspect but also not related to actual use...
...or so the old wives tale goes...
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I've noticed that the evo 3d has been scoring lower than the sensation, which is spec'd performance-wise. Exactly the same except for the evo having more ram. So I don't really understand why it would eb scoeing lower
Also if you're here to try and dispute the credibility of benchmarks leave now because that's not the point of this topic.
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Actually, check out Anandtech's bench of the Evo 3D and Sensation from a couple of weeks ago, and the check out the same bench of those 2 devices when they tested the Droid 3 a couple of days ago.
Comparing the scores, the 3vo scored the same both times. First time it was higher than the Sensation, and second time lower. So somewhere in between, the Sensation got a software update that made it score higher on those benchmarks. I'm guessing we'll see the same kind of improvement with the 3vo in time.
leaving now. Just beating a dead horse here, this has been debated a million times.
your holding it wrong?
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your holding it wrong?
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Yeah he should call up for his free rubber band.
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HTC Sense is known to produce low benchmark scores. Once AOSP gets on this baby, it will fly through the irrelevant benchmarks like nothing.
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While I did run asop on my evo no way will an asop rom touch my evo 3d. Sense 3.0 is great and I doubt asop will supoort 3d.
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I hate people who point out benchmarks on a phone... :|
LOL if htc's scrap snapdragon duel core had good benchmarks I bet all of you would be posting about how elite your phone is and how good it does in benchmarks but since it sucks you say benchmarks don't matter. Don't fool yourself benchmarks do matter. Yes quadrant can be tricked by unlocked phones with edits but benchmarks ran on tegra 2 & crap snapdragon using smartbench 2011 (does use both cores) gives realistic performance.
evo 3d
2089 cpu
1648 gpu (lol slower then galaxy s 1)
tegra 2 (stock atrix 2.3.4 with crap motoblur)
2737 cpu
2661 gpu
tegra 2 overclocked
3989 cpu
2900 gpu
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LOL if htc's scrap snapdragon duel core had good benchmarks I bet all of you would be posting about how elite your phone is and how good it does in benchmarks but since it sucks you say benchmarks don't matter. Don't fool yourself benchmarks do matter. Yes quadrant can be tricked by unlocked phones with edits but benchmarks ran on tegra 2 & crap snapdragon using smartbench 2011 (does use both cores) gives realistic performance.
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Bro its because tegra manages different. Tegra uses both cores to do one single task. While the EVO 3D chip set is asynchronous. This means when you run a benchmark only one core is being processed during that application. The other core is running other processes to keep your EVO lag free and running smoothly. Benchmark is only a number anyway.
Remember this tho forever. benchmarks are like a girl in a bikini, they show a lot but not quite everything.
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I finally found a comparable tegra 2 bench posted online in a droid x 2 review, both devices have a qHD screen. It's looking like the hardware we have here isn't particularly impressive, and let's not even go there with the Galaxy s 2 *shudder*, it's a massacre.
I was to understand that the Qualcomm/Adreno setup was going to at least be competitive, and was supposed to be all out superior to Tegra 2. Can anyone shed some light on this?
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I finally found a comparable tegra 2 bench posted online in a droid x 2 review, both devices have a qHD screen. It's looking like the hardware we have here isn't particularly impressive, and let's not even go there with the Galaxy s 2 *shudder*, it's a massacre.
I was to understand that the Qualcomm/Adreno setup was going to at least be competitive, and was supposed to be all out superior to Tegra 2. Can anyone shed some light on this?
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I don't look at benchmarks too much... but it can download n' upload like a God that's its power tool
My overlocked 1.5 Ghz tegra 2 lags behind my EVO 3D but it scores 900 more points in quadrant so my epeen feels alright. Seriously most of these benchmarks are not coded well.
I think the 3vo uses only one core with quadrant. You have to use a dual core benchmark test like CF Bench for better results. Then again benchmarks really don't mean much.
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Benchmarks are nearly useless measures.
Using benchmarks to determine real world performance is like licking your finger and sticking it up in the air to determine how fast the wind is moving.
Yeah, it'll put you roughly in the ballpark--roughly. But that ''ballpark'' is big enough to drive a couple dump trucks through...
Both the droid x2 and the galaxy s2 aren't running sense, which usually drags down bench marks even though the phone is silky smooth. Benchmarks may be useful for testing modifications on the same phone, but not for comparing different phones. Just ask yourself... Does it seem to suffer to you?
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Who gives a #$% about benchmarks, all I know is that this thing is fast, way faster than the EVO. I have a gTablet (tegra 2, Honeycomb) that runs games very well and this 3VO runs the same games but only smoother and faster, no hiccups at all. Totally happy here and I have like 200 apps on this thing and I have like 280 megs left.
Oh, and my gTablet is clocked to 1.5ghz!
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Who gives a #$% about benchmarks, all I know is that this thing is fast, way faster than the EVO. I have a gTablet (tegra 2, Honeycomb) that runs games very well and this 3VO runs the same games but only smoother and faster, no hiccups at all. Totally happy here and I have like 200 apps on this thing and I have like 280 megs left.
Oh, and my gTablet is clocked to 1.5ghz!
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Seriously my Tegra 2 Transformer has nothing on my EVO 3D. Why people look only at benchmarks and not what is in front of them I have no clue.
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Both the droid x2 and the galaxy s2 aren't running sense, which usually drags down bench marks even though the phone is silky smooth. Benchmarks may be useful for testing modifications on the same phone, but not for comparing different phones. Just ask yourself... Does it seem to suffer to you?
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I've actually never had an AOSP rom run all that much faster than a Sense rom. Enough of a variance to say that there isn't a difference at all.
Like many others have pointed out. Quadrants is a terrible bench for dualcore phones until it's updated. When it reads off a bunch of question marks as the evo3ds CPU, CPU speed,etc. You know its not going to be a reliable test.
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Go to anand-tech for the Adreno 220 benches... It crushed the competition so maybe that'll make you feel better.
1 possible reason why the EVO 3D isn't scoring as high as you expect is because I think the benchmark tests don't utilize CPU's with asynchonous dual cores correctly.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Galaxy uses synchonous cores which mean they can only work on the same thing at the same time, they can't work on separate operations at the same time.
The EVO 3D has asynchonous cores which allow for true multitasking meaning each core will work on separate tasks. As I understand it, support for this type of CPU is going to be added in Android 2.4 and later, but don't quote me on that.
LOL @ benchmarks
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Go to anand-tech for the Adreno 220 benches... It crushed the competition so maybe that'll make you feel better.
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Any similar comparisons to the exynos/mali(?) that the sgs 2 is packing?
Some of the above statements about asynchronous processing do make me feel better if true.
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Any similar comparisons to the exynos/mali(?) that the sgs 2 is packing?
Some of the above statements about asynchronous processing do make me feel better if true.
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Why not feel good in the first place?
This phone screams. You're comparing it to a Moto phone with Tegra 2 which will likely be one of the last new phones with Tegra 2. Enjoy the 3D. By the time something comes around to crush it, we'll be into 4 core territory, or Android will be updated to better support multiple cores (if I remember right, this was only really started for 3.0).
I'll agree the SGS2 seems like a killer but I'll take HTC build quality over Samsung any day of the week. Plus, let's see Exynos pushing qHD.
No I hear you. Truth is that there probably won't be any software written for quite sometime that is going to really push our current hardware. Besides I upgrade every year or so anyway, making future proofing less of an issue for me.
It's the principle of the thing.
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No I hear you. Truth is that there probably won't be any software written for quite sometime that is going to really push our current hardware. Besides I upgrade every year or so anyway, making future proofing less of an issue for me.
It's the principle of the thing.
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I hear ya too, but you gotta try not to get caught up in numbers. Numbers can be manipulated. Manufacturers can tune their phones to perform better in Quadrant (this can also be done with custom ROMs; when it is, performance in other categories suffers). AMD and Intel still participate in this ePeen warfare.
I won't be surprised if we see that Evo 3D outperforms the Tegra Moto overall.
The good thing is, we will eventually see this thing rooted completely (hopefully not after it's lost most of its luster). THEN we will see what we can push out of this phone. Look how fast it's running sense. Imagine a vanilla Android experience on it, or an overclock to say, 1.8 GHz (which will probably happen). I dunno about you but I'm salivating.
Ok, the only benchmark I need to know is that my phone boots up from "off" in 10-12 seconds. Base your satisfaction on a constant, not on relativism.
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1 possible reason why the EVO 3D isn't scoring as high as you expect is because I think the benchmark tests don't utilize CPU's with asynchonous dual cores correctly.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Galaxy uses synchonous cores which mean they can only work on the same thing at the same time, they can't work on separate operations at the same time.
The EVO 3D has asynchonous cores which allow for true multitasking meaning each core will work on separate tasks. As I understand it, support for this type of CPU is going to be added in Android 2.4 and later, but don't quote me on that.
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Should be no difference to code for asynchronous or synchronous. The cores will run at full speed if they're pushed. Quadrant scores are more based on database read and write speeds than anything.
I've owned many many phones, and this one is by far the most fluid (although I have not had hands on with the Galaxy SII, but I hate Samsung's software)
I haven't run into a case where the phone stutters, have you?
I believe in the Anandtech benchmarks, they used a developer phone that has the same qualcomm chipset running at the stock 1.5ghz, while our phones were downclocked to 1.2ghz.
They might have done this for various reasons, it would be interesting to see how our phones overclock and if there's any changes in battery life.
So, now we have phones with quad core processors clocked at higher than the transformer 300, are they more powerful than tablets or is there something I'm missing?
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So, now we have phones with quad core processors clocked at higher than the transformer 300, are they more powerful than tablets or is there something I'm missing?
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I am running at 1.6ghz on my tf300. Got a quadrant score of 5290 and cf-bench of 14930, Antutu 13116.
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I am running at 1.6ghz on my tf300. Got a quadrant score of 5290 and cf-bench of 14930, Antutu 13116.
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I meant without root. Are phones actually more powerful now?
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Yes and no. True, they are clocked higher but, the internal processor is exactly the same in terms of speed and power. The RAM is also the same (1GB) except for that new LG phone which has 2 and is coming out in some Asian country later this year.
Also quadrant means nothing, were getting to the point where lower quadrants may mean better devices, let me explain.
A GOOD processor setup will clock down when in low power mode and when there is a high demand clock up to deal with it. Quadrant does not always throw enough weight to kickstart that high performance mode in all setups, so sometimes it tests lower than it should.
You also have to remember that quadrant tests IO of everything. If you have a better processor but, say, slower memory, you will test LOWER on quadrant even tho you have a better processor. If someone with, say a Galaxy S I9000 has an uber C10 micro SD and has the system loaded on that the IO for that system will be very high and even tho its only a 1ghz phone it could, in theory, quadrant higher than the TF201.
This is why i hate quadrant tests, they are flawed and i have seen roms that are meant to test high on quadrant and nothing else, and believe me for every day use they are SLOW.
Rest assured at this point theres only really one major quad core mobile processor. The 201 has it. The 300 has a lower clocked version of the same chip. The 700 is going to have a higher clocked version of the same chip. From a PROCESSOR standpoint, they are virtually identical.
Now when you say powerful, the galaxy S 3 (rumored) will definately have the potential to one up the prime. Usually samsung goes for lower res screens so the GPU doesnt have to work as hard, they have a customized chip so the processor may be slightly higher, and when factoring in other things (USB OTG, MHL abilities, Camera resolutions, etc.) it MAY be considered more powerful.
For now, tho, the prime is one of the top dogs. Maybe not THE top dog, but definitely a contender. Just remember: Theres always a bigger fish.
I concur with you fine sir.
These quadrant scores comparing processors should be ran to benchmark just the processor not everything else. That would at least give you comparable results.
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So when the hype was through the roof before the phone came out i remember seeing some sites do quick reviews of the phone and showing off its anTuTu scores, the scores were always VERY high. like 9k-10k.
Iv been running a few tests on anTuTu and i max out around 6800. =/
I only saw 7k on reviews.
Should be easy to overclock to 1.8ghz and pump out 11k one day
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So when the hype was through the roof before the phone came out i remember seeing some sites do quick reviews of the phone and showing off its anTuTu scores, the scores were always VERY high. like 9k-10k.
Iv been running a few tests on anTuTu and i max out around 6800. =/
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Those test were with the International quadcore One X not S4 duelcore