i just wonder why the **** some N10s has no lightbleed and others has it all over the screen.
WHY?
thats the big question.
has anyone opend their devices and found something that differ from others or found some loose/to tightend screws?
also i wonder why it is on some devices that the top half is brighter than the bottom screen?.
also i wonder why some people at samsung quality check havnt got fired yet?
its about time they do something.
I suggest we create a thread "Post photos of your Nexus 10 showing a black screen at XX% brightness". That would be a "wall of shame" to send to Google/Samsung. Not sure what the XX would be. 75%? 100%?
Doesn't really matter if its 75 or 100. The camera will auto expose and the images and exposure for every different picture will be different.
I dont care about light bleed, its minimal and I dont see on normal conditions.
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i just wonder why the **** some N10s has no lightbleed and others has it all over the screen.
WHY?
thats the big question.
has anyone opend their devices and found something that differ from others or found some loose/to tightend screws?
also i wonder why it is on some devices that the top half is brighter than the bottom screen?.
also i wonder why some people at samsung quality check havnt got fired yet?
its about time they do something.
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The only time I notice light bleed is when I boot up, and and I'm like wtf? I have then I quickly forget about it until I see a post on the forums about it.
Yeah you only notice it on screens with black background
Over the last few years I have haunted the Asus Transformer (through several versions) and now the Nexus tablet forums and ALL tablet products have various levels of light bleed which vary even between devices made on the same assembly line. It is like an echo that never dies.
If your device cannot be used due to excessive light bleed then RMA or sell it. If you are expecting no light bleed then, at this time, with this screen technology, tablets are not for you. From what I have read it does not matter which manufacturer, tablets have lightbleed.
This may sound harsh but see for yourself by reading other Tablet forums. You will read similar to identical complaints. Some perceived and some real (ASUS Transformer TF201 WiFi strength):
> Lightbleed
> WiFi poor signal strength to repeated dropped connections
> Poor build quality
> OTA releases that break something
> Poor video playback
> Interface stutter
> Reboots, poor battery life ... etc
I am not saying that you should put up with a poor product more that you should vote with your wallet and your consumer rights like RMAing a defective device.
The thing is about the N10, people might be able to deal with it if it was just some bright spots, but the thing that kills me is that they're bright yellow spots which can easily be seen in the bottom right menu bar thing at all times. This is by far the worst tablet I've ever seen in terms of lightbleed.
I never use my tablet completely in the dark at 100% brightness. I saw the light bleed when I tested it after reading these posts but then when i turn the brightness back down to 50% its gone. I don't even notice it in the dark parts of movies. I understand that there are probably some worse cases than mine, but sometimes I think people are too picky.
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I never use my tablet completely in the dark at 100% brightness. I saw the light bleed when I tested it after reading these posts but then when i turn the brightness back down to 50% its gone. I don't even notice it in the dark parts of movies. I understand that there are probably some worse cases than mine, but sometimes I think people are too picky.
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I am not sure if it's a matter of being too picky. I think what kills is that the lightbleed on this table is yellow. If it was white I would tolerate it better.
Start two more threads just to be sure...
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I am not sure if it's a matter of being too picky. I think what kills is that the lightbleed on this table is yellow. If it was white I would tolerate it better.
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My minor light bleed is pure white.
I don't have any issues with lightbleed on my N10. Is it there an I don't notice it? That may be the case, I guess I don't stare at a black screen and have unrealistic expectations... Great tablet and would recommend it to anyone!
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i just wonder why the **** some N10s has no lightbleed and others has it all over the screen.
WHY?
thats the big question.
has anyone opend their devices and found something that differ from others or found some loose/to tightend screws?
also i wonder why it is on some devices that the top half is brighter than the bottom screen?.
also i wonder why some people at samsung quality check havnt got fired yet?
its about time they do something.
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You must not understand manufacturing at all
I opened my N10, the screen is sealed with the front glass inside a plastic frame. The only screws inside are on a metal frame that holds th battery in place, which have no effect on the extent of lightbleed.
With tablets nowadays even with the Asus (which I've tried myself), the screen is attached to the touch panel (digitizer) via strong double sided tape. The screen is really thin so any flex during installation will cause it to be uneven causing some of the light bleed. You can probably remedy it by using a blow dryer or heat gun in low setting to be able to lift up the screen from the touch panel where you have light bleed and even it back down. You have to be careful not to bend the screen too much or it will crack. Again this will probably be a very thin screen (about 2-3mm) and fragile screen. IMO dont even try it and just get it exchanged and hope you get a better one.
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The screen is fused to the digitiser, ie no double sided tape, and it is impossible to separate screen and digigiser
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The screen is fused to the digitiser, ie no double sided tape, and it is impossible to separate screen and digigiser
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Not sure youre right. I work for an ATM company and we have touchscreen machines and the touchpanel is sandwiched in between the LCD and front glass. But on tablets the screen is not fused but they use a double sided tape. Whats probably fused is the gorilla glass and the digitizer. Post edited
Also I know this because I've completely removed a dead screen from an asus prime before. Once you have both separated the glass has a thin film (digitizer) on it and on the bottom of the film is a ribbon cable. The screen itself has nothing on the front but a thin 1/4 foam tape around it.
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Not sure youre right. I work for an ATM company and we have touchscreen machines and the touchpanel is sandwiched in between the LCD and front glass. But on tablets the screen is not fused but they use a double sided tape. Whats probably fused is the gorilla glass and the digitizer. Post edited
Also I know this because I've completely removed a dead screen from an asus prime before. Once you have both separated the glass has a thin film (digitizer) on it and on the bottom of the film is a ribbon cable. The screen itself has nothing on the front but a thin 1/4 foam tape around it.
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I might have misread your post, but I was talking about the nexus 10, Sorry for the confusion
It used to be that there was a piece of double sided sticky tape (like I have on my old tab) between digitiser/ protective glass and LCD screen. For the nexus 10 howver,this website says its all fused together
"Everything else seems to come out just as easily, according to the write-up. But the Nexus 10 display and digitizer are fused together, so there's no chance of separating the two. " http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/google-nexus-10-rated-extremely-repairable-after-teardown-50009785/
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If you are expecting no light bleed then, at this time, with this screen technology, tablets are not for you.
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This is a ridiculous statement ..there are plenty of tablets without light bleed and everyone should expect to not have light bleed. Now the bleed I'm talking about are the blotchy spot types where there is glow coming from one area that extends out from one/multiple areas. Which the N10 has very bad blotches. Totally unacceptable. Slight even "leak" around the edges is one thing but a yellow blob coming out of a corner when you watch videos is ridiculous.
My HP Touchpad made my 2 N10s look like crap in regards to light bleed. Yeah, a touchpad.
I hope they get it right soon... prob will give it another go in a month at a physical store if I hear good things
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There are 2 pieces little spot under screen recently and they are located around center of the screen.
I am not sure if it is dust or dead pixel. It is not totally black but it is kind of grey color and it looks like between screen and LED. One is darker than another. They are not close together. The shape of the spots are not really a pixel square. It is hard to take a photo as it is small.
It was prefect before. And i just found it recently.
Anybody have the same experience?
I would like to change a new one if i cannot fix it myself
Yeah, I have a speck of dust on my screen as well. I can tell that it is dust because it moves slightly when I change viewing angles. I am not bothering with getting it fixed because other than that issue, my tablet works great and I don't want to risk something worse showing up.
I've got one small speck by my recent apps button on screen. I'm using a skinomi skin and sometimes it looks like its between that and the screen and other times it looks like its between the glass and the screen.
Noticed it the first week and havent seen it getting any worse or more collecting.
I also have this. 2 doors of dust or whatever slightly under the very center of screen and in the middle.
I also notice my metal near my port keeps bending in.
I keep debating if I should take it apart and clean it.
Bugs me seeing these two specs.
Doubt Asus would do anything to help us.
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I have also the same probelm but only one for the moment.
I also have dust but I am afraid that if I RMA that I will get something worse.
It sounds like i am not alone. I am not able to move it...but i would like the way to proof if it is not dead pixel
Any method to clean it or move it to the side? It is kind of bother me everytime when i was reading something on white background.
I have a grey spot about the size of a pixel or two, but I don't think it is a pixel because the edges are not crisp. If it were a pixel I would think it would have well defined edges. I have a dead pixel on my HDTV and it is quite easy to see the edges of that.
It's so small that it doesn't bother me in the least..well apart from knowing my screen isn't perfect.
Also I see no parallax when tilting my screen so if it is dust, it's sitting on the LCD and not the gorilla glass.
I also have that "pixels" in the center of the screen. I see that I am not the only... That's weird. I think it's dead pixel. But I'm not sure... What guys think?
I tested some applications that can wake locked pixels with no success.
Could it be only dust?
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I also have that "pixels" in the center of the screen. I see that I am not the only... That's weird. I think it's dead pixel. But I'm not sure... What guys think?
I tested some applications that can wake locked pixels with no success.
Could it be only dust?
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Return if you have to option. I had the same problem with my first prime from gamestop. Took it back the next day and had a replacement. Things are great now.
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I think i was one of the first to mention this before regarding any problems with my prime in another thread but yea i chose not to bother returning it and gettin one with bigger problems...its annoying sure but hardly affects usability and performance.
I'm OCD and my Prime I had gotten from Best Buy had some dead pixels, then another one I had gotten had a dead pixel AND a piece of dust or something under the screen... I ended up finally getting a good one w/o any problems so far. *crosses fingers*
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Return if you have to option. I had the same problem with my first prime from gamestop. Took it back the next day and had a replacement. Things are great now.
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It already pass the return Window... Does the warranty covers this kind of problem?
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Does anyone have both the TF 101 and the prime? I had gotten a replacement from Asus, and I noticed the screen would wash out a lot more on an angle compared to my TF 101, So asus replaced it (the first replacement was a C30 and they replaced it with a C20 which actually has better wifi range than the C30 did) And I noticed again that the screen would wash out more when held on an angle than the TF 101 did. Now I dont think I got two primes with the same exact issue so now I'm thinking that maybe its just the way the TFP LCD panel is. So I was wondering if someone that has both a TF101 and a Prime if they can do a side by side and let me know. Put the same wallpaper on both devices, and also set the brightness to the same on both devices(I set them both to max, with IPS+ off on the prime). Does the prime get more washed out when held on an angle compared to the TF101?
Thanks in advance
Put the Prime in Performance Mode and then re-do your testing.
Its an auto contrast feature of the tegra 3. Seems to happen more in lower power modes. Search for contrast on this forum there posts about it but its a feature not a bug. Higher brightness and super ips mode are also ways to reduce it from happening.
Oh yea and the 101 didnt have this feature.
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Put the Prime in Performance Mode and then re-do your testing.
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I have it in performance mode and it still washes out more on an angle than my TF101.
indie13 said:
Its an auto contrast feature of the tegra 3. Seems to happen more in lower power modes. Search for contrast on this forum there posts about it but its a feature not a bug. Higher brightness and super ips mode are also ways to reduce it from happening.
Oh yea and the 101 didnt have this feature.
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Thanks, I was looking at that but wasnt sure if it was the same issue. I do notice the TFP washes out a lot more on an angle even when in performance mode. Since I got two replacements that were like this I'm thinking more its just the way it was made. When asus sent me the first replacement and I noticed it(I dont think I noticed it on my original TFP) I took a video of it washing out more compared to the tf101 when viewed on an angle. I'm pretty disappointed.. I have never seen an IPS screen wash out like that. It washes out on an angle more than my HTC Evo View(flyer) and that's not even an ips or slcd screen
Here are the links of the videos of the first replacement they sent me. This new replacement washes out the same way on an angle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdQIbLpCLj4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_SIoyhUEVs
I have both, and don't notice any difference except the 201's screen is much sharper and way brighter. I hack the 101 with revolver, and have left the 201 stock. Just got the GPS kit, and now get more sats with the 201 indoors! Too bad the GPS kit doesn't have a power jack. My 201 is a BCOKAS.
If those videos are accurately showing what you're seeing with the device in-person, then I would exchange the unit again. Mine looks nothing like that. Like others have said, the viewing angles on my TF201 are just as good as on my TF101. I'd say the Prime's screen is an improvement in every way, and I thought the original Transformer had a very nice screen.
What you are seeing is Light Bleed, you can search in XDA how to fix it yourself (you have to open your Prime) or return it to Asus. That is not how the screen should look.
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If those videos are accurately showing what you're seeing with the device in-person, then I would exchange the unit again. Mine looks nothing like that. Like others have said, the viewing angles on my TF201 are just as good as on my TF101. I'd say the Prime's screen is an improvement in every way, and I thought the original Transformer had a very nice screen.
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Yeah, thats the way it looks in person. I really doubt asus will replace it a 3rd time... I'm waiting to hear back from Hai Trat. I expected the viewing angles to be the same as well. when I wish I could remember if my first unit washed out.. I think I was too anal about the dead pixels it had to notice if that one washed out. But after getting the 1st replacement and the 2nd and both washed out like that and both were different batches (first replacement was a C3, 2nd was a C2) I figured maybe it was normal. Guess not..
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What you are seeing is Light Bleed, you can search in XDA how to fix it yourself (you have to open your Prime) or return it to Asus. That is not how the screen should look.
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Nope, it's not light bleed. That unit does have some but the video shows it correctly, when viewed on an angle the whole screen clouds and washes out. And this is the 2nd one that has done this. My tf101 has some light bleed and doesnt do that at all. This 2nd replacement I have (the video is of the 1st one) the backlight bleeding isnt as bad and it still washes out like that on an angle.
Hmmm....Now that I do a direct side-by-side...in a dark room, with dark backgrounds on both tablets...I do see more of that "glow" that you're showing in your videos. The image is still crisp, but there is a distinct white-out, glow kinda thing going on. Maybe not quite as pronounced as your video, but that could just be lighting, camera, etc.
I probably wouldn't have noticed without doing the side by side video to see if I could show you how mine was OK, lol. LIke I said, the image and colors are still crisp, but there is a bit of that glow over the image.
I almost wonder if it isn't the oleophobic coating refracting the light. It's definitely not just general backlight bleed. My Galaxy Nexus (which also has an oleophobic coating of some kind) doesn't seem to exhibit the same off-axis behavior, but the screen is OLED, is much smaller, etc, so it's hard to make a direct comparison.
Your videos did seem pretty pronounced though. At this point I can't comfortably say one way or the other. I still think my screen looks great. I guess you just have to figure out if you're satisfied or not. In comparison to my TF101, I'd pick my Prime's screen every time.
So I just picked up the DNA today. Loving it! However, I just noticed that I'm seeing light bleed through on the bottom, just below the capacitive buttons when they're lit up. Anyone have this?? Really disliking this!
Yeah. Pretty common.
It is really easy to fix though and you can do it yourself. Unless you want to keep exchanging them and hoping you find one, this would be a better way.
Go to your local auto parts store and pick up this:
http://www.apmengineparts.com/82180.html?productid=82180&channelid=FROOG
Get the smallest one you can because you are only using a bit.
Take a toothpick and apply it to the bottom of the glass where it meets the plastic. Try to push it into the crack, if possible. Let it sit for a few seconds and then take a paper towel and wipe it off along the crack. DON'T get it into the usb port!
Let it dry for a few hours and you are good as gold. It also has the bonus of increasing water resistance and keeping dust out.
Mine didn't have that at all. I guess I got lucky. I do have a small spot almost dead center on the screen that looks like a bluish smudge though. You can only notice it on a white background. It's musky annoying but faint enough to live with.
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dmbfan13 said:
So I just picked up the DNA today. Loving it! However, I just noticed that I'm seeing light bleed through on the bottom, just below the capacitive buttons when they're lit up. Anyone have this?? Really disliking this!
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Mine does, I hate too, at least I'm not the only one with it. Still debating if I should exchange it or not....
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I have two spots on the botton too...never had this issue with LED screens. How likely is it not to have the light bleeds? If this is indeed a common problem for the DNA, I won't bother exchanging mine
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I have two spots on the botton too...never had this issue with LED screens. How likely is it not to have the light bleeds? If this is indeed a common problem for the DNA, I won't bother exchanging mine
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Common on Thunderbolt too. Never had Rezound to check.
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Common on Thunderbolt too. Never had Rezound to check.
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Hmm I guess it isn't something to be concerned about then.
I checked mine again right now in the office restroom with lights off and the phone screening an entirely black image; it does not have any light leakages at its full brightness, but there are two centered light spots triggered by the capacitive buttons that are only visible at the lowest brightness level.
Therefore presumably, turning off the capacitive button lights will eliminate the seemingly light leakages, as they do not seem to be defects caused by the LCD panel itself. But if such a leakage is glowed anywhere else but about the two centered areas just above the capacitive buttons, such as any corners or left/right/upper edges, then it would indeed be a sign of a defective unit.
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Hmm I guess it isn't something to be concerned about then.
I checked mine again right now in the office restroom with lights off and the phone screening an entirely black image; it does not have any light leakages at its full brightness, but there are two centered light spots triggered by the capacitive buttons that are only visible at the lowest brightness level.
Therefore presumably, turning off the capacitive button lights will eliminate the seemingly light leakages, as they do not seem to be defects caused by the LCD panel itself. But if such a leakage is glowed anywhere else but about the two centered areas just above the capacitive buttons, such as any corners or left/right/upper edges, then it would indeed be a sign of a defective unit.
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I sealed mine to be safe.
Well in case nobody noticed when the lights are on and you are in a dark room and you tilt the top of the device away from you, when you get to a certain angle you can actually see the light from the buttons because of how the glass is curved. This will appear on every DNA because of the glass. so if you have light coming from BELOW the buttons make sure its not this that you are seeing.
I only have light bleeding through at a certain angle. I may pick up some of that stuff though.
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Well in case nobody noticed when the lights are on and you are in a dark room and you tilt the top of the device away from you, when you get to a certain angle you can actually see the light from the buttons because of how the glass is curved. This will appear on every DNA because of the glass. so if you have light coming from BELOW the buttons make sure its not this that you are seeing.
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In my case, its coming from the seam between the curved glass and the trim.
Mine too, I can see it from any angle. There's two spots where it bleeds, the gaps between the captive buttons
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Well, at least I'm not the only one. Might just try to ignore it...we'll see how that goes...
Yeah I'm still torn about what to do. Kinda want to relock/ruu and exhange but what if the new one has something different wrong with it. This one works great, the bleeding is just visual and only in a very dark room so might just do what adryn did and seal it with some gasket maker
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I just sealed mine. Took 5 minutes tops, and only because I was being precise.
No more light bleed and increased resistance to dust and water.
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Well in case nobody noticed when the lights are on and you are in a dark room and you tilt the top of the device away from you, when you get to a certain angle you can actually see the light from the buttons because of how the glass is curved. This will appear on every DNA because of the glass. so if you have light coming from BELOW the buttons make sure its not this that you are seeing.
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You think that's really what they're seeing? You can't physically stop that without changing the shape of the glass. i prefer the continuous curve over a slight refraction you can't ever see.
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You think that's really what they're seeing? You can't physically stop that without changing the shape of the glass. i prefer the continuous curve over a slight refraction you can't ever see.
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I'm certain (in my case) that its the glass and the trim.
Nothing a little black silicone doesn't fix. The shape of the glass is not the problem. The problem lies near the capcitive keys where the glass meets the glossy trim. They are two different pieces.
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You think that's really what they're seeing? You can't physically stop that without changing the shape of the glass. i prefer the continuous curve over a slight refraction you can't ever see.
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I was just pointing it out just in case... doesn't hurt
I ordered a replacement N10, because of back flex and got it today.
Not only is the back flex worse, the screen looks worse. Compared to my original N10 the replacement looks duller. My original N10 by far looks more vibrant while the replacement has a noticeable warmer and duller color temp.
Back the replacement goes... I will live with the back flex. I really don't want to play exchange roulette like I did with the nexus 7. Those of you considering exchanging your Nexus might want to consider you might get a worse one.
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I ordered a replacement N10, because of back flex and got it today.
Not only is the back flex worse, the screen looks worse. Compared to my original N10 the replacement looks duller. My original N10 by far looks more vibrant while the replacement has a noticeable warmer and duller color temp.
Back the replacement goes... I will live with the back flex. I really don't want to play exchange roulette like I did with the nexus 7. Those of you considering exchanging your Nexus might want to consider you might get a worse one.
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Samsung's the single source for the LCD panel. If there are big variations between them it's because the tolerances on the production line are off and their slipping through QC. Some deviation from panel-to-panel is normal. If you put three SGS3's side-by-side each will have a slight variation in temperature. But what you're describing doesn't sound slight.
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I ordered a replacement N10, because of back flex and got it today.
Not only is the back flex worse, the screen looks worse. Compared to my original N10 the replacement looks duller. My original N10 by far looks more vibrant while the replacement has a noticeable warmer and duller color temp.
Back the replacement goes... I will live with the back flex. I really don't want to play exchange roulette like I did with the nexus 7. Those of you considering exchanging your Nexus might want to consider you might get a worse one.
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I think I had a similar issue to you, but for the better.
My replacement arrived yesterday as my original device had bad back flexing
The new one has a much more vibrant and brighter screen than the old one (the autobrightness seems to react much faster and ramps the brightness more appropriately)
The replacement came shipped with build JVP15L, so I had to two updates, one to JOP20C and then again to JOP20D, weird huh?
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so your telling me you got two devices without light bleed? I can't even get one out of them.
This is somewhat good news as I seem to have a warmer screen and also suffer from light bleed so I'm probably going to get it exchanged. Hoping I get a replacement with a neutral or cooler screen. neutral or cooler toned screens tend to have better contrast for some reason vs the warmer screens.
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so your telling me you got two devices without light bleed? I can't even get one out of them.
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Yeah my first device had quite severe bleed in 3 corners, but my replacement has ever the slightest amount in the bottom corner, but its really not noticeable, even on a black background, so I'm gonna keep this one
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so your telling me you got two devices without light bleed? I can't even get one out of them.
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First unit which I kept has very little light bleed, nothing significant. The replacement had horrible light bleed, there were light streaks coming from the lower right corner.
Other than back flex, I am happy with my N10's screen.
I thought the same about my device but then I turned my brightness up and took it off automatic brightness. I can hardly believe that the difference is that stark between the two units
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Back flex????
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Back flex????
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Yeah if you push hard enough on the back of your device it will dimple inward. I can't really see in my mind why this is considered even remotely a functional defect lol. This just in: plastic flexes when you push on it
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Yeah if you push hard enough on the back of your device it will dimple inward. I can't really see in my mind why this is considered even remotely a functional defect lol. This just in: plastic flexes when you push on it
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It is considered a defect because normally the internal components should touch the inside of the casing, so there is no cavity between the two and therefore no flexing when pressed .
In the case of the flexing units, the casing is bowed ever so slightly outwards, thus creating a cavity, so the casing flexes inwards up until it touches the components inside.
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It is considered a defect because normally the internal components should touch the inside of the casing, so there is no cavity between the two and therefore no flexing when pressed .
In the case of the flexing units, the casing is bowed ever so slightly outwards, thus creating a cavity, so the casing flexes inwards up until it touches the components inside.
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Is it actually a "bow" or is it just an air gap between the battery and the back? Mine flexes when I press it, and makes a "click" like glue forcibly coming unstuck when I release.
It's hardly the end of the world though. I'd never have realised it until it was mentioned on XDA because I'm not heavy handed enough to go squeezing it, nor would I have had cause to "press" hard on the back of it while it's lying face down.
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Is it actually a "bow" or is it just an air gap between the battery and the back? Mine flexes when I press it, and makes a "click" like glue forcibly coming unstuck when I release.
It's hardly the end of the world though. I'd never have realised it until it was mentioned on XDA because I'm not heavy handed enough to go squeezing it, nor would I have had cause to "press" hard on the back of it while it's lying face down.
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Mine was both, a bowing which caused an air gap. It didn't click at all, just flexed even when i was just holding it as the bowing was greatest directly underneath where you place your fingers. If i looked edge onto the tablet from the top, the bowing was apparent.
Figured seeing as i'm paying for it, wanted a perfect device and Google were happy to replace it, why not get it replaced?
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Mine was both, a bowing which caused an air gap. It didn't click at all, just flexed even when i was just holding it as the bowing was greatest directly underneath where you place your fingers. If i looked edge onto the tablet from the top, the bowing was apparent.
Figured seeing as i'm paying for it, wanted a perfect device and Google were happy to replace it, why not get it replaced?
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Indeed, why not. I would have done the same thing.
joke
Now all of you shut up, before I go poking around mine any more and realise I'm not happy with it and end up sending it back for replacement :laugh:
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I feel bad for you people searching for the perfect device. Chances are, the people on their 3-4-5th return are never going to be satisfied, and the devices they returned would most likely have been perfect for someone else. Having OCD about a mechanically flawless techno-gadget is like a Heroin addict chasing the dragon.
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TheEmpyre said:
Yeah if you push hard enough on the back of your device it will dimple inward. I can't really see in my mind why this is considered even remotely a functional defect lol. This just in: plastic flexes when you push on it
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Shocking news. This flex thing is like that old joke -
Patient: Doc, it hurts when I do this. (Patient flexes a joint.)
Doctor: Then don't do that.
Semantics said:
I feel bad for you people searching for the perfect device. Chances are, the people on their 3-4-5th return are never going to be satisfied, and the devices they returned would most likely have been perfect for someone else. Having OCD about a mechanically flawless techno-gadget is like a Heroin addict chasing the dragon.
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I wonder how much cheaper our gadgets would be if hordes of people on XDA didn't RMA 5-6 times because they go actively looking for defects they wouldn't notice otherwise?
I've been thinking about this all day. My N10 has some ripples around the detachable rear cover that I hadn't noticed until looking at the photos in this thread. Is it obvious when I show it to others? No. Does it affect operation in any way? No. Have my fingers ever felt the ripples as I use it or rotate viewing mode? No.
So why are the cosmetics such a big deal to some and not others? Obiously some rate the appearance of the device to be more important than what it does. I know I'm going to get flamed big-time for this, but worship of form over function seems to be a common trait of the Apple crowd. I truly appreciate beauty, but not so much in a tool. I used an iPad for a year and always felt like I was using a fine watch: attractive, but not adaptable to what I wanted to do. Those of us that value function more will probably never understand the other way of thinking.
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so your telling me you got two devices without light bleed? I can't even get one out of them.
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Mine has ZERO light bleed and I know all about that. I use to own 3 Infinity's and that's because the first two had intolerable light bleed the third I just lived with.
I'm guessing google sacrificed build quality so they could keep prices down -- Dont really understand why it is important for your device to "look" cool when the purpose of the device is media consumption / productivity. Besides, I would bet upwards of 60% of consumers get a case for their device...whats the point of that back-flex when you have a hard shell case?
I've been suffering the dust issue on 2 lumias now, and have noticed something. If you go to a darkish room/area and tilt the phone, you can see the light from the backlight coming through on the sides of the screen and also at the top and bottom by the capacitive buttons.
e.g. http://discussions.nokia.com/discus...ith_Windows_Phone/30650/1/2012-12-15-1679.jpg
I'm just wondering if there's anyone here who can go to a dark area, and see whether they all have this or not? Kinda worried me because made me think there's a manufacturing defect here and the screen isn't secured properly on the handset - which could maybe account for dust getting in? It might also explain the 'rattle' on vibrate that some are getting.
The three lumias I've seen all seem to have this to a certain extent (the light on the sides is usually much thinner and normally on either the right or the left - not both).
ANyone?
I have two Lumia 920 and I got it there too
uiqjirka said:
I have two Lumia 920 and I got it there too
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Funny enough, I had mine sent in for repairs due to scratches on the screen. After having the screen replaced I have NO light Issues and no more dust issues.
Seems during the initial build the screen is not fitted in or glued in properly ?
pencilcase said:
Funny enough, I had mine sent in for repairs due to scratches on the screen. After having the screen replaced I have NO light Issues and no more dust issues.
Seems during the initial build the screen is not fitted in or glued in properly ?
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Oh christ....don't know what to do now. Could either wait until a new batch comes along without this issue or buy one now and send it off to Nokia. I'm rather depressed about the prospect of sending a brand new product away to be opened again
First world problems
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I've been suffering the dust issue on 2 lumias now, and have noticed something. If you go to a darkish room/area and tilt the phone, you can see the light from the backlight coming through on the sides of the screen and also at the top and bottom by the capacitive buttons.
e.g. http://discussions.nokia.com/discus...ith_Windows_Phone/30650/1/2012-12-15-1679.jpg
I'm just wondering if there's anyone here who can go to a dark area, and see whether they all have this or not? Kinda worried me because made me think there's a manufacturing defect here and the screen isn't secured properly on the handset - which could maybe account for dust getting in? It might also explain the 'rattle' on vibrate that some are getting.
The three lumias I've seen all seem to have this to a certain extent (the light on the sides is usually much thinner and normally on either the right or the left - not both).
ANyone?
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No leak here
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No leak here
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You GENUINELY have none? I.e. no thin strip of light running down the side(s), no light just above and to the right of the windows key? None above the search key? NONE?!
You must have been sent Elop's personal phone. I've looked at around 6...not that many admitedly, but all from different places so the maths of it all as coincidence is bleak.
Treasure it my friend.
No leaks here too.
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You GENUINELY have none? I.e. no thin strip of light running down the side(s), no light just above and to the right of the windows key? None above the search key? NONE?!
You must have been sent Elop's personal phone. I've looked at around 6...not that many admitedly, but all from different places so the maths of it all as coincidence is bleak.
Treasure it my friend.
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no leaks here either... the only issue i have is the dust in the FFC.
No leaks (or dust) here either.
I really tried to find any kind of light leak, but found really nothing.
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I've been suffering the dust issue on 2 lumias now, and have noticed something. If you go to a darkish room/area and tilt the phone, you can see the light from the backlight coming through on the sides of the screen and also at the top and bottom by the capacitive buttons.
e.g. http://discussions.nokia.com/discus...ith_Windows_Phone/30650/1/2012-12-15-1679.jpg
I'm just wondering if there's anyone here who can go to a dark area, and see whether they all have this or not? Kinda worried me because made me think there's a manufacturing defect here and the screen isn't secured properly on the handset - which could maybe account for dust getting in? It might also explain the 'rattle' on vibrate that some are getting.
The three lumias I've seen all seem to have this to a certain extent (the light on the sides is usually much thinner and normally on either the right or the left - not both).
ANyone?
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Must be a lucky one here. No light leak...or dust. (Whew)
OK cheers guys....well I guess either I'm having a psychotic episode or the unlocked batches ive looked at in the UK are defective.
Thanks anyways x
How would you define the light leak, eg, if I look at the screen on a very extreme angle, I can see through a minute gap at the bottom and see light from those buttons through it through the screen, but in normal circumstances it isnt noticeable at all. like the light isnt uneven or anything like that
Telstra 920
Moylans said:
How would you define the light leak, eg, if I look at the screen on a very extreme angle, I can see through a minute gap at the bottom and see light from those buttons through it through the screen, but in normal circumstances it isnt noticeable at all. like the light isnt uneven or anything like that
Telstra 920
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Well it's like in the picture link that I put on the first page - Except as well as the top and bottom, there's also a small amount on the sides too that can be made to partly disappear if you push down hard on the screen there - I.e. the impression the glue holding the screen down is loose. It appears on all the ones I've seen, but I don't know, if you guys say you haven't seem it maybe I've just had extraordinary bad luck! It doesn't affect the screen when looking at it normally but it makes me worry for the future - loose things tend to become looser with time, and my theory is this, the dust and the vibrate rattle are interconnected.
I'm looking at my 920 and I think I see what you mean. On the top I see the light across almost the whole top but not at the sides or bottom. Is really a concern (I don't look at the phone at an extreme angle like that..)
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Well it's like in the picture link that I put on the first page - Except as well as the top and bottom, there's also a small amount on the sides too that can be made to partly disappear if you push down hard on the screen there - I.e. the impression the glue holding the screen down is loose. It appears on all the ones I've seen, but I don't know, if you guys say you haven't seem it maybe I've just had extraordinary bad luck! It doesn't affect the screen when looking at it normally but it makes me worry for the future - loose things tend to become looser with time, and my theory is this, the dust and the vibrate rattle are interconnected.
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Oh ok sorry, I didn't look at the pic. The vibration rattle (from what I've read) is just how it is because of the kind of vibrator (for lack of a better word I can think of) technology. Would have been good to have a nice clean vibration humm being a flagship phone...
Nothing seems to change for me when I compress the screen. Perhaps you really did just get a bit of a dodgy one?
Me either. I just did it again to make certain I wasn't lying to you. I cannot see anything from any angle. Now I'm starting to feel a little guilty.
I'm on my second 920 because the first one had a problem with switching back to handset mode after unplugging a headphone jack, but neither of them have any light leak! Maybe it is a manufacturing defect because of rushed batches due to the supply problems?
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NO light leak here either, but I have dust in the FFC.
No light leak, but there are dust under front camera and once in a while the proximity sensor activates all the time.